WEBVTT - S03 Episode 6 Extra: Chupa Chupa

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Unexplained Extra with me Richard McClean smith. For

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<v Speaker 1>the weeks in between episodes, we look at the stories that,

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<v Speaker 1>for one reason or other, didn't make it into the show.

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<v Speaker 1>In last week's episode, Shores of the Unknown, we ventured

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<v Speaker 1>to the west coast of Wales, where in nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen school children claimed to have seen a UFO lingering

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<v Speaker 1>in a field behind the far end of their playground.

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<v Speaker 1>The bizarre episode at Broadhaven School seemed to set off

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<v Speaker 1>an extraordinary series of events that remain unparalleled in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the British UFO experience. Incredibly, this wasn't by

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<v Speaker 1>any means the most peculiar UFO event to her in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven. For that, we need to travel four

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<v Speaker 1>and a half thousand miles away southwest across the open

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<v Speaker 1>waters of the North Atlantic Ocean to a remote fishing

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<v Speaker 1>village on the north coast of Brazil. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>balmy night when forty eight year old a Medio Oliviera

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<v Speaker 1>returned home from work, exhausted and crawled into the hammock

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<v Speaker 1>strung up in his living room. At some time around

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<v Speaker 1>eleven pm, he sensed a sudden brightness in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>When he opened his eyes, he found the place lit

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<v Speaker 1>up by a single beam of light that seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be coming through the roof a medio. Watched with alarm

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<v Speaker 1>as the beam tracked across the room before finally stopping

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<v Speaker 1>to rest on the outside of his thigh, just above

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<v Speaker 1>the knee. He cried out in pain his leg was

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<v Speaker 1>burning when the light disappeared. Moments later, he rubbed at

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<v Speaker 1>the spot where now there was a perfectly round red

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<v Speaker 1>mark exactly where the light had been. Twenty five year

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<v Speaker 1>old dentist Luccia Marquess was buying food at the local

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<v Speaker 1>market when she heard a loud commotion coming from the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Walking towards the shoreline, she found a large group of people,

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<v Speaker 1>excitedly huddled together and pointing wildly into the air. She

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<v Speaker 1>looked up to find two lights, one red and one green,

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<v Speaker 1>circling each other in the sky above. As she continued

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<v Speaker 1>to watch, she noticed the lights seemed to be taking

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<v Speaker 1>it in turns to switch on and off, almost as

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<v Speaker 1>if they were signaling to each other. Both incidences took

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<v Speaker 1>place in Kolares, a village in northern Brazil on the

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<v Speaker 1>banks of the vast Rio Para, a large channel at

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<v Speaker 1>the southern edge of the Amazon Delta. Cholaris Is itself

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<v Speaker 1>located on the island of Calaris, which sometime at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the last ice age, found itself severed from

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<v Speaker 1>the mainland when ice melt caused the surrounding waters of

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<v Speaker 1>the Furo de Laura to rise. Just over sixty miles

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<v Speaker 1>to the south lies the city of blem where Carlos Mendez,

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<v Speaker 1>a junior journalist at the State of Para newspaper, receives

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<v Speaker 1>the first of many calls one afternoon from a number

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<v Speaker 1>of Cholaris's two thousand residents, all claiming to have witnessed

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<v Speaker 1>the bizarre lights in the sky. Around the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four year old doctor Valai di Carvalio, director of

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<v Speaker 1>health at the local care unit, notices a sudden increase

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<v Speaker 1>in the number of people attending her clinic. Before long,

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<v Speaker 1>ten to twenty people are turning up each day, all

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<v Speaker 1>displaying similarly strange injuries, and all with a peculiar story

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<v Speaker 1>to tell. The symptoms were all the same, with patients

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<v Speaker 1>displaying clear radiation burns, but also more strangely small punctu

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<v Speaker 1>wounds that they claimed only appeared after they had been

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly attacked by the lights. The wounds, which seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>turn black within hours of occurring, as if they were

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<v Speaker 1>weeks old, were nothing like doctor Carvallio had ever seen before.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in blem Carlos Mendez pulls in a photographer and

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<v Speaker 1>together the pair make the two hour journey to Calaries

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate the apparent sightings for themselves. Within minutes of arriving,

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<v Speaker 1>they are swamped by terrified residents desperate to share their stories.

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<v Speaker 1>One woman described being struck by the light while inside

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<v Speaker 1>her home and how at the moment she saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>her arms and legs became instantly paralyzed. It was only

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning when she found the small puncture wounds

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<v Speaker 1>on her thorax. It was, she said, as if something

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<v Speaker 1>had been sucking on her blood. As more and more

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<v Speaker 1>residents came forward to tell their stories, it became clear

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<v Speaker 1>to the young journalist that the town was in a

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous grip of panic. So neither Mendes nor his photographer

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<v Speaker 1>would see anything untoward themselves. They were left in little

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<v Speaker 1>dot com Slash Unexplained podcast. It was sometime in September

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<v Speaker 1>when a young woman was rushed by panic stricken relatives

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<v Speaker 1>into doctor Carvalio's surgery, unable to open her eyes or mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>with her body spasming violently. Carvalio did her best to

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<v Speaker 1>stabilize the patient, but due to the limitations of the clinic,

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<v Speaker 1>was eventually left with no choice but to drive the

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<v Speaker 1>woman herself for immediate treatment in the far better equipped

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<v Speaker 1>Valm City Hospital. It was five days later when another

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<v Speaker 1>woman was rushed to the clinic in a severe state

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<v Speaker 1>of shock, her body so rigid that her relatives had

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<v Speaker 1>barely been able to maneuver her into the car. Carvalio

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<v Speaker 1>listened with incredulity as they described how the woman had

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<v Speaker 1>merely been standing in her back garden when she was

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<v Speaker 1>enveloped in a beam of light, which had left her

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<v Speaker 1>in a complete trance. Again, Carvalio had little choice but

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<v Speaker 1>to drive the woman to Belem Hospital for emergency treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days later, Carvalio received the devastating news that

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<v Speaker 1>both her patients had died, and when she asked to

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<v Speaker 1>see their death certificates, the cause of death had been

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<v Speaker 1>listed merely as unknown. Troubled by what they had seen,

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<v Speaker 1>Carvalio and her colleagues, although skeptical of the reports of

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<v Speaker 1>strange lights in the sky, were none the less concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>and being especially eager to prevent a mass hysterical episode,

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<v Speaker 1>pleaded with local officials to mount a thorough investigation. As

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<v Speaker 1>it happened, the authorities had ample reason to take reports

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<v Speaker 1>of weaponized flying objects very seriously. Indeed, only two years previously,

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<v Speaker 1>the Brazilian military dictatorship led by Ernesto Gissell, had finally

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<v Speaker 1>ended a brutal and bitter guerrilla war with the militant

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<v Speaker 1>faction of the Communist Party of Brazil. With much of

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<v Speaker 1>the fighting happening in the local state of Para, it

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<v Speaker 1>led some to wonder whether the strange flying objects might

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<v Speaker 1>in fact be some sort of weapon given to a

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<v Speaker 1>surviving band of militants by a more advanced communist regime.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon after, a team of air force officers from the

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<v Speaker 1>Regional Command of the Brazilian Air Force were duly dispatched

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<v Speaker 1>to the region. The team, led by experienced operations Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Urungue Hollander, began by ordering his men to collect as

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<v Speaker 1>many eye witness accounts of the phenomena as possible before

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<v Speaker 1>trying to record it for themselves. As such, a series

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<v Speaker 1>of observation posts were set up across the island, each

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<v Speaker 1>team being equipped with multiple cameras and telescopes to aid

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<v Speaker 1>their investigation. Over the next few months, Horlander and his

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<v Speaker 1>team collected testimony from over three thousand local residents who

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<v Speaker 1>claimed to have seen or at least heard about the

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<v Speaker 1>apparent U foes. More than eighty claimed also to have

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<v Speaker 1>been directly targeted, injured, and even chased by them. One

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<v Speaker 1>evening in October, doctor Carvallio, who had remained unconvinced by

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<v Speaker 1>the more fanciful reports, was returning home from work when

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<v Speaker 1>she saw a woman fainting suddenly in the street. Rushing

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<v Speaker 1>to help her, she was amazed to find a cylindrical

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<v Speaker 1>object floating in the sky no more than a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>feet above them. Feeling threatened, she tried to move away,

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<v Speaker 1>only to find that she was frozen to the spot.

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<v Speaker 1>She could only watch in terror for the few moments

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<v Speaker 1>it took until the object circled once above them, before

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<v Speaker 1>making its way toward the coast and disappearing out to

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<v Speaker 1>sea with no sign of an end to the extraordinary reports.

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<v Speaker 1>The people of Corrals were dismayed when, without warning one

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<v Speaker 1>morning in December, Captain Hollander ordered his men to pack

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<v Speaker 1>up their equipment and immediately vacate the area. Despite their

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<v Speaker 1>best efforts, neither doctor Carvallio or Carlos Mendez were able

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<v Speaker 1>to find any official word from the Brazilian military or

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<v Speaker 1>government as to what they had or hadn't discovered during

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<v Speaker 1>the four month operation. Within a few more months, the

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<v Speaker 1>reported sightings of weird objects and lights in the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>named chupa chupa by the locals meaning succor succor, became

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<v Speaker 1>fewer and further between. By March nineteen seventy eight, they

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<v Speaker 1>had all but stopped, as the local community was left

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<v Speaker 1>alone to try and come to terms with what had

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<v Speaker 1>been experienced. Over the many years that followed, the stories

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<v Speaker 1>soon dissolved into local legend, and so it would remain

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<v Speaker 1>for the next two decades. It was sometime in June

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven when Adela mar javert Co, editor of

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<v Speaker 1>zis Ufo magazine, received a surprise phone call from Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Hollander of the Brazilian Air Force. Hollander, who had become

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<v Speaker 1>an avid reader of Gavard's magazine, congratulated the stunned ufologist

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<v Speaker 1>on his diligent work and reassured him that he was

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<v Speaker 1>on the right path. But what Hollanda said next sent

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<v Speaker 1>a genuine chill down his spine. For twenty years, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>he had been forced to keep a secret, but now

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<v Speaker 1>he was retired, he didn't want to keep it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked finally if adelmar wanted to know what really

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<v Speaker 1>happened on that top secret excursion to Corrales Island in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven. Days later, a nervous and excited Chavert,

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<v Speaker 1>along with his co editor Marco Petit, traveled to Hollander's

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<v Speaker 1>home in a wealthy suburb of Cabo Freyo in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Rio de Janeiro. Prior to arriving, the pair

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<v Speaker 1>had not quite been sure what to expect of the

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<v Speaker 1>mythical captain, whose top secret mission had taken on a

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<v Speaker 1>heart of darkness level of mystique. They were soon relieved, however,

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<v Speaker 1>to find him, although a little shorter than they had expected,

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<v Speaker 1>in complete possession of all the mental faculties one might

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<v Speaker 1>expect of a man with such significant military experience, and

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<v Speaker 1>what he told them in the course of two extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>hours would change their lives forever. It was true that

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<v Speaker 1>the Brazilian government had indeed sent him and his men

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<v Speaker 1>to Kraals to investigate the apparent UFO's sightings, and that

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<v Speaker 1>they had abruptly ended the investigation after four seemingly fruitless

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<v Speaker 1>months of research. It had even been given a formal name,

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<v Speaker 1>operasone Prato, meaning Operation Saucer. What wasn't true was that

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<v Speaker 1>they hadn't found anything. Not only had they recorded over

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hours of film footage as well as five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>photographs of UFOs, Hollander had seen them himself, a variety

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<v Speaker 1>of objects in the sky, some as much as one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred meters in diameter, one coming clearly into view above

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<v Speaker 1>his team before flying out eastwards over the Atlantic. He

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<v Speaker 1>even claimed to have one night been visited by a

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<v Speaker 1>pilot of one of the crafts. A powerful flash of

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<v Speaker 1>light had lit up his bunk, revealing a creature about

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<v Speaker 1>one and a half meter's tour standing behind him. It

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<v Speaker 1>was dressed in what looked like a diving suit with

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<v Speaker 1>a gray mask, and it spoke only to reassure him

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<v Speaker 1>that they meant no harm. Next, Hollander offered his arm

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<v Speaker 1>to Petit's video camera. See here, he said, as he

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<v Speaker 1>poked and prodded at the skin. They put this inside me.

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<v Speaker 1>Petite and Gavard looked on in shock, seeing clearly that

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<v Speaker 1>there was indeed something buried in the captain's forearm. The

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<v Speaker 1>researchers turned to each other in stunned disbelief as the

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<v Speaker 1>aging captain sat back, exhaling a long, deep breath, as if,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ancient mariner, he had suddenly been released from

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<v Speaker 1>a huge and intense burden. Shavert and Petite thanked Hollander

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<v Speaker 1>for his time, and Julie made their way back home,

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<v Speaker 1>barely able to fathom what they had just heard. The

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<v Speaker 1>pair published Herlande's story in July nineteen ninety seven, to

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<v Speaker 1>little fanfare outside of the wider eufology community. It was

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<v Speaker 1>immediately denied by the Brazilian government and military. It was

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<v Speaker 1>three months later when Captain Herlande's daughter, who had not

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<v Speaker 1>heard from her father in a few days, arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>his home to check up on him. After repeatedly shouting

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<v Speaker 1>for him and receiving no reply, she opened the bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>door to find the veteran's lifeless body slumped down against

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<v Speaker 1>the back wall. His bath robe belt used as a

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<v Speaker 1>makeshift noose, was wrapped around his neck. Despite an official

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<v Speaker 1>verdict of suicide, many were quick to suggest that there

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<v Speaker 1>may have been more to Herlander's death than seemed coming,

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<v Speaker 1>as it did so soon after he had spoken out

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<v Speaker 1>about Operation Saucer. Ufologist adel Mar Javert dismissed the accusation, however,

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<v Speaker 1>believing instead that Horlander's actions were in keeping with a

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<v Speaker 1>man who had struggled with depression for much of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>It was testament to what Chavert and Petite saw as

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<v Speaker 1>Horlander's bravery in coming forward that they doubled down on

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<v Speaker 1>their search for the truth about what exactly occurred in

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<v Speaker 1>that remote fishing community in nineteen seventy seven after launching

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<v Speaker 1>a request of information. In March two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 1>after years of denials, the Brazilian government reluctantly admitted that

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<v Speaker 1>a UFO investigation had indeed taken place after all. In

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<v Speaker 1>May two thousand and five, Chevert and Petite traveled to

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<v Speaker 1>the headquarters of the Brazilian military in Brazilia, where they

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<v Speaker 1>were granted the opportunity to view a number of documents

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<v Speaker 1>pertaining to the investigation, including diagrams drawn by Captain Hollander

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<v Speaker 1>himself detailing his own personal sightings, as well as a

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<v Speaker 1>selection of photographs taken during the investigation. Although there remains

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<v Speaker 1>no clear evidence to reveal exactly what had taken place.

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