1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 2: Breakfast Club morning. 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 3: Everybody is d j en Vy Charlamagne the God. We 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 3: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 3: the buildings, indeed, the brother Kirk. Frankly, welcome brother, welcome. 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Back, Good morning. King. 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 4: Now, woll I'm not taller than you. 8 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: That's impossible. 9 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 2: That's that's everybody is. 10 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: Don't never happen. 11 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 5: God, God does some amazing things in life, works for miracles, 12 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 5: but that ain't never happened. 13 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 4: I'm talking about I'm talking about them, talking about the charity. 14 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: He's so sensitive. 15 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 4: But you know the moment, No, no, no, no, no, 16 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 4: here the same height. 17 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: You know, that's a damn lie. 18 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: That's not true either. 19 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: On brother, come on now, tower No, you're not towering. 20 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: No, you're not towering. Lam Charlam got you by like 21 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: an inch. Charlam agnt got you by inch like towers. 22 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 4: Contest with anyone? 23 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: How you feeling, my brother, man? 24 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 4: A lot of feelings, yes, a lot of feelings. And 25 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 4: you know, I thank y'all for letting me come. I mean, 26 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 4: this is my first week of having conversations you know, 27 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 4: about all of this, and so, you know, just trying 28 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 4: to learn how to be able to articulate it in 29 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 4: ways that I've never had to have this level of 30 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 4: communication about. You know, I'm very open and transparent guy, 31 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 4: you know, but some of this recent stuff has kind of, 32 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 4: you know, hit me for a little because it's so fresh, 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 4: it's so new. It's only like, you know, twelve weeks old. 34 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: So I'm trying to learn how to do it in 35 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 4: this way. So yeah, but I'm willing to try for. 36 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: People that don't know. He's documentary father, the time that 37 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: you met your father for the first time in fifty 38 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: three years. 39 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, and just the nuances of it, the fact 40 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 4: that I hated a man for fifty three years that 41 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 4: I thought was my father and he died knowing that 42 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 4: I hated him. 43 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: That was powerful. In the Doctor you said you went 44 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: to go me peace with him. 45 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was wondering, like, how did you feel knowing 46 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 5: you made peace with a person that you know, you 47 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 5: really you really had no problem problem with having a problem. 48 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 4: With Well, I still would have had the brokenness centate 49 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: because he wasn't in my life and I hated him 50 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 4: because he wasn't in my life and showed up when 51 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: my career started to take off and that broke me, 52 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 4: you know, being adopted and not having a mother and 53 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: father in my life, but still knowing well, I met 54 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 4: him when I was six, saw him again when I 55 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 4: was thirteen, and then he started showing up when my 56 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: career took off. And so for somebody that already had 57 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 4: a lot of trauma being adopted and having a lot 58 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 4: of abandonment, his shoes and acceptance is shoes, you know, 59 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 4: it it it It was a very painful process to 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 4: live that way, knowing that you wouldn't wanted, and just 61 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 4: all the mistakes that a young black man can make, 62 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: not having the type of mentorship because I didn't have 63 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 4: uncles that stepped in. I didn't have those type of things. 64 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 4: And even in the church, you know, the church majority, 65 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: it's always made up of women, you know, unfortunately, and 66 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 4: so you try to navigate and you make a lot 67 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: of mistakes, and then religion and dogma can also become 68 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: a little duplicitous and can make the journey even more problematic. 69 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 4: Is because you're living in fear, you know, but because 70 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 4: a lot of times in religion is God's going to 71 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: get you, and God's going to get you, and God's 72 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: going to get you more than this. God loves you. 73 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 4: And even one of my mentors, now that a molder 74 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 4: told me about twenty years ago, it's hard to know 75 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 4: God's love as a father when you've never had one. 76 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: Namn O fire right, Oh hell yeah? 77 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: What made you want to meet him? 78 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 4: This guy? Well, you know just how it happened. You know, 79 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 4: I was in the military's I wasn't even looking for him. 80 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: They said, this guy. Is that how you refer to 81 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: him as this guy? 82 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: Well? You know, and I know that language is necessary, right, 83 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 4: and it's very important, and language speaks really the the 84 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 4: the tennis of the heart, right. But you know, for me, 85 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 4: this this this term father is something that I'm still 86 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: just grapping with. And it's not his fault. I mean, 87 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 4: he's he's been a man who's lived his life. He's 88 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: a sixty nine year old man that has lived his 89 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 4: life not thinking about that he has a son there 90 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: was ten minutes away from him, his entire life ten 91 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 4: minutes away. And so right now I call him mister Ricks. 92 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 4: I call him mister Rick right now as I'm trying 93 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 4: to navigate because you know, he has a daughter, and 94 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 4: you know, and she's an incredible young lady. She's trying 95 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 4: to navigate because she's been the apple of his eye 96 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 4: all of her life. And U you know, you know, 97 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 4: and it's like all of a sudden, now they've got me, 98 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 4: and and and he's been very loving but very welcoming. 99 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 4: And but at the same time, my biological mother, who 100 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: I haven't ever really had, I had a strong relationship with, 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: it's still denying that he's my father after two DNA tests. 102 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 5: Why is that? I mean, I don't understand that. In 103 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 5: the documentary, like the DNA test was ninety nine point 104 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 5: nine nine nine positive. That was I'm not gonna lie you. 105 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 5: You're a funny person. You don't be meaning to be funny. 106 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 5: They when they gave you to w was like nint 107 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 5: nine percent. 108 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 4: Of what Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's because I haven't 109 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 4: been in that position before in my life. 110 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: You know. 111 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 4: It's like I don't get a lot of calls that 112 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 4: I got kids by different people, so you know, so 113 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: I don't know, yeah, and and and then you know, 114 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 4: you have a lot of anxiety because you don't really understand. 115 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: But uh uh, why won't she accept it? 116 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: I don't know. And I would have loved for her 117 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 4: to give me that but it's obvious that she can't, 118 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: and so I have the responsibility of still honoring black 119 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 4: women and talking and in a way that still gives 120 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 4: a light that I never want to uh attack her publicly. 121 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 4: And I don't know her as my mother, you know, 122 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 4: the woman that adopted me was the woman that I 123 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 4: knew as my mother. I would see my biological mother 124 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: maybe once or twice a year in my life, which 125 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 4: makes even the trauma even more painful, because in marginalized communities, 126 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 4: when it comes to legal adoption, sometimes they don't always 127 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: work the same. A lot of times, people outside of 128 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 4: our race and Hue, they are adopted in systems where 129 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 4: they don't really know their biological parents, and so they 130 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 4: may know that they were given up, but at least 131 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: they find people that want them and love them, so 132 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 4: at least it's a wound that heals. But when you 133 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 4: have people that come in and out of your life 134 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 4: every now and then, and sometimes and our communities, you know, 135 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 4: you can be related to somebody that lives right down 136 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 4: the street and you don't even know it. And I 137 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: think that that's what has made the story even a 138 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 4: little bit more painful and even more broadest that the 139 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 4: amount of people that have come out that look like us, 140 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: that have this story, and that in itself is daunted 141 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 4: to know that the Black American experience has caused this. 142 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 4: This this this a fractured understanding of what family is 143 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: because we were so displaced and separated and so many 144 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: nuances to why we don't. 145 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: Know who we are? 146 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: Now, let me ask you. You did say that, Uh, 147 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: what's the name, mister Rich? I don't want to call 148 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: it mister Rick. So you said, mister Rick has a 149 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: daughter and. 150 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: That's the apple of his eye. 151 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: How did that make you feel? 152 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: When you look at mister Rick and you see how 153 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: much he loves his daughter and raised his door and 154 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: put the time and energy into his daughter, And then 155 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: you might look and reflect back on yourself and say, damn, 156 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: why wasn't I the same way? Why wasn't I the 157 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: apple of his eye? Why wasn't I his son? And 158 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: why wasn't I Like why did did you ever look 159 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: at that and get a little jealous and make you 160 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: feel away? And how did you overcome that? 161 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: Because I've never been the apple of anyone's eye. It 162 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: was just my normal. I've never been an apple of anyone, 163 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: even the woman that adopted me because of her. 164 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: You know. 165 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 4: Is one thing that I do share with my brother 166 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: Charlemagne is that I am a huge advocate of therapy 167 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: and counseling. I've been a counseling since i was eighteen 168 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: years old. I even the therapist I have right now, 169 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: I'm his longest I'm his longest patient that he's ever seen, 170 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 4: you know. And we kind of make jokes about it 171 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: because he says that every new experience in my life, 172 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 4: it triggers a new trauma. And so I believe in Jesus, 173 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 4: I believe in prayer, and I believe in therapy, and 174 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 4: so I've needed all of that just to try to 175 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 4: get by. So him her being the apple of his 176 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: eye didn't affect men anyway, because that's all I've ever known, 177 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: not being that. So that's my normal. That's been my normal. 178 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 5: You said something the doctor hit me so hard, man. 179 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 5: You said, you don't even know who you truly are. 180 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 5: I'm paraphrase, and you don't even know who you truly 181 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 5: are because you only know the broken version of yourself. 182 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: Yes, sir God, yes. 183 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: Sir, And and you know and and and I don't 184 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 4: want to, you know, even post myself as as as 185 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 4: a victim. I really tried to want to maneuver and 186 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 4: And what was very interesting because I was working on 187 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 4: this album, and this album was just going to be 188 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 4: an album. I was working on Bros. And and for 189 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 4: the first time I had a little budget where I 190 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 4: could hire a videographer. This is my guy out here 191 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: to you to your right and left and Chris, and 192 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: Chris was just with me, just capturing the process of 193 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: working on my album. And in the middle of this album, 194 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 4: one a young lady that sings with me. At her 195 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 4: father's church, there was a funeral. And at that funeral, 196 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: it was a funeral for a woman that is my 197 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 4: biological aunt. I didn't go because I knew my mother 198 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 4: would be there. I and see my mother in over 199 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: twenty three years, because there was something that she did 200 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 4: to me and my biological well and my half sister 201 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: that I thought was very painful. My half sister just 202 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 4: got out of prison and nobody was at a helper 203 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: but me. I was thirty one years old, thirty two 204 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 4: years old, and I'd have, you know, the knowledge to 205 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 4: know i'd handle somebody getting out of prison and what 206 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 4: to do because she still was dealing with drugs and 207 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: different things, and so something painful happened over twenty three 208 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: years ago that made me go, I'm not going to 209 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 4: deal with you again. And so I didn't go to 210 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 4: the funeral. But at the funeral there was a man there. 211 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: There was friends of the family of the church that 212 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: the funeral was. Head name was Rick. He saw Debora 213 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 4: at the funeral and said, oh, I didn't know that 214 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 4: Deborah and this young lady that past were related. I 215 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 4: used to mess around with Deborah and that was the beginning. 216 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 4: And so my man was with me. I'm in a 217 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 4: studio working on music, and so I was able to 218 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: hide behind the camera if they If that makes any sense, 219 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 4: the camera gave me courage. When mister Rick heard the rumors, 220 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 4: it gave me the courage to after I got the 221 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: test results, to go see him, go see her, go 222 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 4: see other people, so I wouldn't have to do it 223 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 4: by myself. 224 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 5: I wonder, is, Kirk Franklin, is there is there a 225 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 5: version in your mind and yourself that you can see 226 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 5: that's whole and healed because you say what your you know, 227 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 5: your therapist said to you, how every new trauma. 228 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 4: Every every every new experience. 229 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 5: Experience calls this trauma, and it feels like that even now, 230 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 5: like you know, you know who your biological father is. 231 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: But does that make you feel more whole or does 232 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: it make you just feel even more broken? 233 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 4: Beautiful question, beautiful question. And it's funny because when you 234 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 4: hear this new you know, you know, and you guys 235 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: know how it is. Man, you know it because you've 236 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 4: written books, you've you youth, you are creative, You are creative. 237 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: You know how art imitates life. And so when you're 238 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 4: in the middle of hell, in the middle of something, 239 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: it's gonna come out and whatever it is that you're 240 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: you know, you know you're writing or you're doing music. 241 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 4: And so even even in the new record that comes 242 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: out Friday, Man, it's just I am trying to figure 243 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 4: that out. I'm trying to figure it out lyrically. Is 244 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 4: because I find myself, I almost find myself afraid of 245 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 4: knowing what even well looks like. Is because brokenness becomes 246 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 4: almost like a blanket, and that's warped. That's not healthy. 247 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 4: And so that's why I know I've got to continue 248 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 4: to keep doing the work. It is because I know 249 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: that it affects everything and everybody around me. You know, 250 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: it affects your understanding of love, and so your wife 251 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 4: feels it, your children feel it. You know, all the 252 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: people aren't feeling it. And at the same time, Bros, 253 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 4: you see how God uses it in this mysterious way. 254 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: Because there are so many broken people, you're able to 255 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: communicate to them from a space that you can say 256 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 4: to them, me too. And I think that sometimes even 257 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 4: in the kind of music that I do, it can 258 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: make you feel like, Okay, well, Goswin's gonna be so 259 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 4: happy and so up in. It's like, you know, it 260 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: ain't really speaking to my you know, ish right. And 261 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 4: but the music that I've been able to do because 262 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 4: I heal as I reveal, I really try to communicate 263 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: my my fragility in the music so that people can 264 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: be able to see, Okay, he don't have it all 265 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 4: together because I don't. And there's a lot about life, 266 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 4: a lot about God, a lot about struggles that I 267 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 4: don't understand, and I'm still trying to figure it out, 268 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 4: and so I'm trying to do my best to to 269 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 4: just walk it out. 270 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: And aren't you just trauma bonding what you're listening is, then. 271 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 4: Wow, that's a strong question. That's a very strong question. 272 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 4: I pray that I give them balance, as I pray 273 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: that in the lyrical content, in the music, that as 274 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 4: I go through the journey, even like someone I can 275 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 4: imagine me, you know, imagine me loving what I see. 276 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 4: And then at the end of the so even though 277 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: I talk about the beginning of that, I talk about 278 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 4: how it's gone, you know, so, and I think that 279 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 4: that's important. I think that David the Psalm is David right, 280 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 4: you know. And I'm quite sure that you've read, you know, 281 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 4: the Psalms before, you know. It sounds a little about 282 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 4: polar right, you know what I'm saying. You know, one 283 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 4: day he's afraid and questioning, one day he's down, and 284 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: one day he's rejoicing. And I think that that duality 285 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 4: is necessary. It's because the complexity of life requires an 286 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: honest approach of how rain and sunshine they coexist in 287 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 4: our journey. 288 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: But I think it also allows people to know that 289 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: they're not alone with their journey. 290 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 4: That That's what I've always tried to do, you know. 291 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 4: But what Charlemage just said is something that I definitely 292 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 4: want to ponder on this book. I think it's such 293 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 4: a strong statement. And I think that it's very important 294 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 4: that as you try to give medicine and try to 295 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: wrap it in candy, that you are at least trying 296 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: to give the solution. And so I appreciate you saying 297 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 4: that to me so that I can, you know, fight 298 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 4: still try to be accountable because I'm still learning. 299 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing. Like you know, we're 300 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: all just still learning, right like you. 301 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 5: We're not experts. We're just sharing our experiences. Yeah, And 302 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 5: I think that's what you're doing. You're just sharing your experience. 303 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 5: One thing I love in the doctor, man, I love 304 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 5: I love seeing folks doing inner child work. And that's 305 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 5: what you're doing. You're doing your in a child work. 306 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 5: You're trying to hear your in a child. How important 307 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 5: is that to you? 308 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: Man? I got to keep it together, bro, good brother, 309 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: we have man people. 310 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 4: Together once again. It's my first week you know doing it. Yeah, 311 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: you know, it's amazing because I haven't been around my 312 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: mother in decades and the fact that she won't give 313 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: me what I'm asking slight. Just let me know that 314 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 4: you didn't know, and you even say you don't know, 315 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: but to be so adamant about he isn't your father. 316 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 4: It's because her not giving me that takes away my 317 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 4: ability to be able to even try to embrace it, 318 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: because she still has power over the little boy, right, 319 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 4: And I hadn't seen her in decades, Like in that 320 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: amazing and that amazing that you can see the cause 321 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: of the beginning of your reckless life and hadn't seen 322 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 4: them in almost three decades, and they still have power 323 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 4: over the soul of the little baby. 324 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: You know, first of all, I could never imagine myself 325 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: in that predicament or position. But I'm just trying to 326 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: put myself in your shoes. Right, And here's a lady 327 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: that you call your biological mom, and you haven't seen 328 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: her in three decades. 329 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 4: Well, twenty three years, twenty three. 330 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: Years, almost three decades, twenty three years. And I guess 331 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: the question I would want to know is why, right? 332 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,239 Speaker 3: And the reason I say why is in this situation, 333 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: it's like, you know, you have kids, I have kids, 334 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: and it's like I think I would feel like, damn, 335 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: you don't want me. And even even even though that 336 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: you know I was adopted, and it's like you would 337 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: feel like, well, I'm successful now, I'm Kirk Franklin, and 338 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: you still don't want nothing to do with me, You 339 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: still don't want to be to make up for lost 340 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 3: time and to try that that that never affected you. 341 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: Because it's just how I feel. I'm about to start 342 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: crying because I feel them. Because I feel them. 343 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 4: You are a few amazed. Well, first of all, thank 344 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 4: you for the comedy break, and I thank you for 345 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: the comedy. 346 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: Break because I feel because I'm about to start tearing because. 347 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: I feel away you are. 348 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 4: And I love how y'all got that brotherhood fired like that, 349 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: you know, and it's funny because don't like them, But 350 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 4: even that is beautiful to me because I was raised 351 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: with none of that, you know, you know, being raised 352 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 4: by yourself. That's traumatic. I was the kid, I'm embarrassed 353 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: and said, but I was a kid on the Leicester school. 354 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 4: I would cry because I was going back to a 355 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 4: house with an older lady who it was. It was 356 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 4: just empty and I didn't want to leave these kids 357 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 4: because I had no family to go home. 358 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 5: Oh man, see before see this is why therapy and 359 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 5: stuff is so important. Because before the conversation started, before 360 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 5: you even turn on the mics, you were telling to 361 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 5: keep having kids because you don't want to have an 362 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 5: empty nests and you were like, an empty nexs is 363 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 5: a motherfucker. 364 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: You didn't curse, but you might have. 365 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 5: Curse, not this time, not this time, but you said, 366 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 5: and so now that that's the same thing, right. 367 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And so 368 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 4: you fill your life with noise, fill your life with noise, 369 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 4: and so uh and then when you talk about what 370 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 4: I'm Kirk Franklin, now you still don't want me. I'm 371 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 4: gonna tell you whatever. That Kirk Franklin thing is a 372 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 4: lot of times makes it worse. It's because success can 373 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 4: be traumatizing. And I learned that in therapy. It's because 374 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 4: now you've got to deal with how do I maneuver? 375 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 4: How do I like? I was so traumatized by success 376 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 4: is that when the first album goes platinum, you think 377 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 4: a million people like you, and then if the next 378 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 4: album goes gold, your work behind things that half of 379 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 4: me and people don't like you no more. And so 380 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 4: I'm honest enough to say it, I'm crushing. I'm not 381 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 4: the only one that goes through that. And so when 382 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 4: you don't, when those beginning stages of life, when you 383 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 4: don't have people to inform you of who you are. 384 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: It says the trajectory of how you process everything in life. 385 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 4: Everything in life has through that same filter. I want 386 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 4: to be liked, I want to be accepted. Am I okay? 387 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 4: Am I good enough? And you can be fifty three 388 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: years old still asking how'd I do? 389 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 1: How'd I do? 390 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 4: How'd I do? I'm doing interviews all week and you know, 391 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 4: and I'll still pull the publicist to the side. Okay, 392 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 4: how was that? Was that good? 393 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: You know? Was that? You know? 394 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 4: And and it's it's because you just still trying to 395 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 4: figure out and so all of this just opens up 396 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 4: the new wounds. And so that's why I needed this album. 397 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 4: I needed this music. I needed to Man. Can you 398 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 4: imagine if all this was going on and I was 399 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 4: just at the crib having none to do, Bro, I 400 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 4: needed to be working on music. Does that makes sense? Bro? 401 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: I couldn't be still. I had to be doing something 402 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 4: because I was going to go crazy. 403 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 5: But isn't that a response to traumatal staying busy? They 404 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 5: always say, staying busy is a trauma response? 405 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: Can be? 406 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 4: It can be, And I don't know if all of 407 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: it is terrible? Is because there are other results that 408 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 4: you could take. They could even be more detrimental, you know, drugs, drinkings. 409 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 4: You know. I think that the most important thing that 410 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 4: I do want anyone listening to understand is because again, 411 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: it's not just Kirk's story. This is a lot of 412 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 4: people's story, and a lot of people live in these spaces, 413 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 4: which which is mind blowing. All of the responses I've 414 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 4: gotten from this is that I just want people to 415 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 4: know that you can't wait to get fixed before you 416 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: get up and win. So what you got to do 417 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 4: is you gotta win. 418 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: Wounded? 419 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: Did this help your relationship? 420 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: Kids? Are you gotta win? Wounded? You gotta all of us? Right, 421 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: You gotta win. 422 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 4: You can't wait for them sorry, you can't wait till 423 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 4: the person wants to fix it. You can't wait for 424 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 4: the apology. And what they did was wrong. What God 425 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 4: allows at times feels so wrong. But we got to 426 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 4: be able to trust his heart when we don't understand 427 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 4: his hand. And so you gotta win. I need you 428 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 4: with my camera, queens and kings, no matter what has 429 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 4: been brought in your life by the winds and ways 430 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: of life. I need for you to get up. I 431 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 4: need for you to limp across the finish line, limp, limp, bleeding, 432 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 4: cuss and crying, but I need for you to win wounded. 433 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 3: Now has that strengthen a relationship with your kids? Has 434 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: it changed anything with your kids here? 435 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 4: You know, it's been very interesting man, because you know, 436 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 4: my kids have loved me through all of my deficiencies. 437 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: Uh. 438 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: My youngest, who is brilliant, he's he's he's he's a thinker. 439 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: And he said to me that, he said that this 440 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 4: has given him another level of grace for me, he said, 441 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 4: because you have done the best you knew how to do. 442 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 4: He said, Man, you you, he said, he said, because 443 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 4: I don't know not having a life without yo. He says, 444 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 4: so man, you know, and again I don't want him 445 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 4: to say his daddy as a victim. You know, but 446 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 4: the kindness that they've shown me has really been humbling, 447 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 4: you know, the patience, because can you imagine being married 448 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 4: to this? You know, you know somebody that does fully 449 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 4: understand what love is. I've always because once again, just 450 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 4: because you're introduced to love don't mean you're not to 451 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 4: receive it, you know, if it hasn't been engrafted in you. 452 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 4: And so my family They've been very kind because I 453 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 4: know that I've been a lot. 454 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: And did that the end of the doc, right. 455 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 4: My firstborn, my first I was just talking about my youngest. 456 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, when you well, when you let mister Rick know 457 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 5: the father, why was that important to do? 458 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: Well? 459 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 4: First of all, it was a great opportunity to have 460 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 4: a reconnection with him. I thought that it would be 461 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 4: a a a a moment of healing that could open 462 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 4: up an opportunity for us to heal ah. And so 463 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 4: I was very grateful that, uh, that it was something 464 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 4: that he was was was was moved by and and 465 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 4: and and and and to have this reconnection point with him. 466 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 5: He had a visceral reaction though, just like mister Rick 467 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 5: had a visceral reaction, like immediately like tears. 468 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 4: My son is a beautiful soul man. He that's my 469 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: first born. That's my first born. It's my first namesake. 470 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 4: And and you know, I you know, carry On has 471 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: been the homie since you said, I mean since he 472 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 4: was six he had the passport, you know, I mean, 473 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 4: I mean my son and my kids that traveled the 474 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 4: world with me, and and and to be able to 475 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 4: see him again and to hold him close to me, 476 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 4: and to just touch his face like I hadn't been 477 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 4: that close to him in over a decade. And and 478 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 4: and to just to just embrace him, you know, man, 479 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 4: because I've missed my son. I've missed my son. And 480 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 4: I love my son because my son grew me up. 481 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 4: You know, the church killed me when I got a 482 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 4: kid pregnant back and when when when I got my 483 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 4: pregnant back in eighty eight, in the eighties, and I 484 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 4: was a church musician. Man, the ridicule, but that was 485 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 4: my home, that was that was the homie. 486 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 5: Man. 487 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 4: I took him to all the choir rehearsals and you 488 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying when I was working on music, 489 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 4: and you know, and so to be able to hold 490 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 4: my first born again and to embrace him, it was 491 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 4: a very loving moment for me. 492 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: How important is it to here I apologize, oh. 493 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 4: Oh oh man, because I would love to hear now, 494 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: you know. And so to be able to hear that, 495 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 4: it's very healing. I would believe it is because it 496 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 4: would heal me, you know. And so I it was 497 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 4: very important that he heard that from me. It was 498 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 4: very important for him to be able to know, man, 499 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry for stuff I mayn't even know. 500 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but I just need you to know it. 501 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 4: I need you to be able to hear I'm sorry 502 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 4: because I know the healing that exists in those words, 503 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 4: and I just wanted him to know, for the for 504 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 4: the for the things I knew, for the things I 505 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 4: didn't know, for the things I'm trying to figure out, 506 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: for the things, for whatever, for whatever. You need to 507 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 4: put this in the bucket that starts you on your 508 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: journey and another black man, I need for you to 509 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 4: hear your daddy say I'm sorry, and you can apply 510 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 4: wherever you need it. I don't care. I don't care. 511 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 4: This ain't about winning. All I want to win is you. 512 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 4: All I want to win is you. 513 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 5: It was another part of the doc Man where you 514 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 5: you couldn't call your your aunt aunt. You called her 515 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 5: by her first name, and she wouldn't reply to you 516 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 5: until you said aunt. 517 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Why was that so hard call her aunt? 518 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 4: Well? These are people that I would that I wasn't 519 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 4: that I wasn't raised around my entire life. You know, 520 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 4: I didn't have that family dynamic, so I don't have 521 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 4: the habit of calling people uncle and uh, you know 522 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 4: that's not that that that that was not part of 523 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 4: my construct and so it's not natural for me to 524 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 4: do it. So it's I didn't make any offense. It's 525 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 4: just these are not people that have been in my ecosystem, 526 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 4: my entire life. And so that's why, you know, and 527 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 4: and and and I want to make it inextricably clear 528 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 4: that I'm not here to bash my mother. I'm not 529 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 4: here to bash my un because he's are black woman. 530 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 4: And it is very important for me to make sure 531 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 4: that I still, as a black man, carry the role 532 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 4: of covering the the the the the most powerful, the 533 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 4: most precious treasure that we have to this earth, and 534 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 4: that's the black woman. So I'm not here to do that, 535 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 4: and I refuse to do it. 536 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I think it's the only right that 537 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: we get into the single. 538 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: Off I got one. 539 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 5: I got one final question. What's that very important? Being 540 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 5: that you've gone through all of this, when are you 541 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 5: gonna Letplies get his DNA? 542 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: Shut up? Man, Let's get into it. 543 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: You know that that is the real reason why I'm here. 544 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 4: You know, where's my camera? 545 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: This one right there. 546 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: Applies. I love you, come home. 547 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Let's get into a single off the album. 548 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: The album Father's Day is out this week. 549 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: What you want to play? These guys are crazy? 550 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,239 Speaker 3: Just have a nice sentimental interview and you gotta end 551 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 3: with this. 552 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: This guy's crazy, he's so dumb. 553 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 2: I rocked with the sentimental interview. 554 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 3: We're all about to tear and he ends with that, 555 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 3: what do you want to can we get the. 556 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 4: New album comes out? 557 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 5: Man? 558 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 4: I'm so excited excited about the new tour. I'm on 559 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 4: tour right now. Man, I'm on touring now with Ty Tribban, 560 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: the Clark Sisters, King and. 561 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: They're killing it. 562 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: They killing it every night, bro, The Clark Sisters, Tammela Man, 563 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 4: take me to the King, David Man singers, the whole band. 564 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 4: I mean, you know we we're at the Prudential Center 565 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 4: on coming up in a couple of weeks and the 566 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 4: new album called Father's Day. Uh, it comes out this Friday. 567 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 4: And I needed this album and I hope that it 568 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 4: can help heal people like it helped heal me, or 569 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: that it's trying to heal me. I'm still not there, 570 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 4: but I'm excited. What do you want heal them? You 571 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: know what, let's do needs. 572 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: We appreciate you for joining us. We love you, we 573 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: are grateful, grateful, and ladies and gentlemen, it's Kirk Franklin. 574 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Wake that ass up 575 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: in the morning. 576 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club.