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Speaker 1: All right, second hour, Clay and Bucket's going right now.

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Speaker 1: Just a reminder, in the top of the third hour,

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Speaker 1: we have more of our exclusive interview with President Trump

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Speaker 1: from last night after the trial.

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Speaker 2: He called in.

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Speaker 1: You know, we hung out with the Trumpster for a while,

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Speaker 1: had a conversation with him about all the things going on,

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Speaker 1: also you know, the election, saving America.

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Speaker 2: The free world, all that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: You can definitely and should definitely listen in third hour,

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Speaker 1: top of the hour. So that'll be right sixty minutes

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Speaker 1: from now as I speak to you. We remember we

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Speaker 1: played if you missed it, first hour of the program,

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Speaker 1: we played the first half of that interview with President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Go to the iHeartRadio app, which is the best audio

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Speaker 1: app anywhere, and download it if you don't rehab it.

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Speaker 1: If you have it, just look up Clay and buck

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Speaker 1: first hour of the program and boom on demand. The

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Speaker 1: interview with President Trump said some important stuff covered ground,

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Speaker 1: like who's on the VP shortlist? Still some maybe have

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Speaker 1: dropped off recently, He did say, Clay, officially, this is

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Speaker 1: when you were out NICKI Haley. There was that Axios

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Speaker 1: piece that said Nicki Haley was in consideration, and then

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Speaker 1: Trump said, you fired. She is not in consideration as VP.

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Speaker 1: He did wish her well, though I don't think Trump actually.

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Speaker 1: Well tough to know he's Trump, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: he bears her any continued agitation or ill will after

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Speaker 1: what happened with the primary, So how that could be wrong?

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Speaker 1: That's what's going on there. We also had what am

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Speaker 1: said lee Zelden, name you haven't heard much in a while.

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Speaker 1: Really an unsung hero of the twenty twenty two election cycle.

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Speaker 1: I know he didn't win the governorship, obviously, and we

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Speaker 1: probably tipped the House right. So Leiz Eldon's gubernatorial campaign,

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Speaker 1: I think as much as it didn't take it all

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Speaker 1: the way, I think he helped us have imagine, Clay,

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Speaker 1: what the country looks like at this point and what

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Speaker 1: would have happened over the last eighteen months if Democrats

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Speaker 3: I mean that we could have been in that world.

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Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent right about that. What stands out

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Speaker 3: always funny to me when we have news making interviews,

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Speaker 3: what the media picks up on and what they decide

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Speaker 3: over the years. To me, the most interesting thing he

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Speaker 2: Now that's his polling.

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Speaker 3: He also said that they thought they were in play

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Speaker 3: looked in twenty twenty, Biden won New Jersey by sixteen points. Now,

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Speaker 1: Now, look, it's an off election, you're twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: I also thought we've heard Virginia and Minnesota. Minnesota ended

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Speaker 2: I think that would be amazing to see.

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Speaker 2: I think we'll.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it more after the votes are all

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Speaker 1: in and hopefully we're having a great night on election

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Speaker 1: night at Clay. You and I both know, man, it's

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Speaker 1: the Democrats. They are very, very resilient. They will come

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Speaker 2: Both Yeah, you know, is listed a word ilicit? And listen?

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Speaker 2: Is listen a word? Can I say that?

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Speaker 1: I've never heard listen? I don't think it's a word, right,

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Speaker 1: So listen? And what's the other thing. What's the opposite

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Speaker 1: of elicit? I'll find out legal?

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Speaker 2: Legal right?

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Speaker 3: Elicit is beyond the law, I think so. I think

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Speaker 3: the opposite of elicit would just be this is legal.

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Speaker 2: There we go. You learn something new every day. I

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Speaker 3: But they You're right that they have the machinations in

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Speaker 2: An unknown in twenty twenty with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: According to vocabulary dot com Listit is in fact a

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Speaker 3: One does listit just mean basically legal. Yeah, it's like allowed, yeah,

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Speaker 3: This the only way to win if you're worried that

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Speaker 3: I think Georgia has strengthened their elections thanks to Governor

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Speaker 3: And here's why I'm bringing this up. Trump is now up,

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Speaker 3: according to the polling, pretty comfortably in Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona.

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Speaker 3: If he flipped those three states, Buck, do you know

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Speaker 3: now is the betting market favorite in all those states.

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Speaker 3: If Biden won all those states, the election would come

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Speaker 3: I want everybody out there in Nebraska to think about that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck here in studio with today.

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Speaker 1: Nellie Bowles gonna talk to us about her new book

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Speaker 1: Morning After the Revolution Dispatches from the Wrong Side of History.

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Speaker 2: She's here in studio with me. Clay.

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Speaker 1: She is formerly a New York Times correspondent, so she

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, just say it's a pleasure to

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Speaker 5: that's what they're paying for, the subscription. And the Times

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Speaker 5: courted that with the advertising model and with with their

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Speaker 5: with not the advertising model, with the advertising campaigns around

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Speaker 5: as for did Trump and his.

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Speaker 2: Rise, did he break them?

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Speaker 1: This is we talked about emotionally. Did he emotionally break

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Speaker 5: think Trump emotionally broke them a little bit. I think

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Speaker 5: his wildness and his lack of like traditional decorum made

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Speaker 5: it's it's a lot of it is like a manners

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Speaker 5: you know. The idea of objectivity is an aspiration. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: And so then you've got the Times definitely reacting, you

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Speaker 5: have the whole liberal intelligentsia definitely reacting. I don't think

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Speaker 5: that's an excuse though. I don't think you can say, oh,

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Speaker 5: I just got a note saying no cursing.

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Speaker 1: No, it's okay, it's just we're on broadcast radio. I wish,

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Speaker 1: I wish we could just let you let it fly.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately there are there are limitations. There are limitations. Look,

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Speaker 1: we were talking, we were talking to Trump last night.

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Speaker 1: He's he's a He's Trump. You can't even really begin

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Speaker 1: to describe it. I think at this point it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say he's the most famous person on the planet.

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Speaker 1: He's the most polarizing person in the United States of

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Speaker 1: whether or not he broke them up, I could say this,

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Speaker 1: I grew up here in New York City. My family

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Speaker 1: were New York Times subscribers. Growing up, most of the

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Speaker 1: people that grew that were around me. I think I've

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Speaker 1: grown up to be a bide in, voting Obama, voting Democrats,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And it's very clear though that even they

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Speaker 1: recognize what you said about the creation of the New

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Speaker 1: York Times, or the perception of the New York Times

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Speaker 1: as the sword in the world for the left. Trump

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Speaker 1: there was like an explicit shift right of now the

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Speaker 1: truth is anti Trump. Therefore anti Trump is the truth.

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Speaker 1: And that changed. I think that we saw that The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post saw that The New York Times, we.

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Speaker 5: Saw that NBR came out proudly and said, we're not

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Speaker 5: covering the Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 2: Right because that would help the enemy.

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Speaker 1: Effectively, we're proudly we're speaking to Nelly Balls or book

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Speaker 1: by the Way, Morning after the Revolution Dispatches from the

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Speaker 1: Wrong Side of History, and I just say, our producer

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Speaker 1: Ali Clay read the entire thing. We get books, We

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Speaker 1: get books and top books, the top books. We get

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Speaker 1: to cover and then make sure that Nelly comes on

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Speaker 1: I think says something about what's in it.

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Speaker 2: I just want to pose this one to you, Nelly.

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Speaker 1: The For me, actually, it felt like the Tom Cotton

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people felt this way. A

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Speaker 1: A sitting senator making an argument on the editorial page

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Speaker 1: is unacceptable to the rest of the tribe, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: Inside the Times, how did that play out?

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Speaker 5: I think, I mean, at this point We've all read

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Speaker 5: a lot about how that played out, and how it

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Speaker 5: played out was basically internally within the Times, every good

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Speaker 5: reporter had to get together and tweet the same tweet.

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Speaker 5: We were all supposed to tweet that this off ed

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Speaker 5: puts our black colleagues in danger, that a sitting senator

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Speaker 5: saying to call in cops, to call in the National

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Speaker 5: Guard to quell some of the riots puts our colleagues

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Speaker 5: somehow in danger. And if you didn't post that message,

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Speaker 5: you were on the wrong side, and you would start

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Speaker 5: people would notice, they reach out. Yeah, And so I

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Speaker 5: was never canceled. I'm not here like with a tiny

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Speaker 5: violin complaining like our life is great, we now have

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Speaker 5: the free press, like things are fabulous. But at the

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Speaker 5: time when I was there as a staffer, when I

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Speaker 5: didn't post the tweet and try to cancel that the

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Speaker 5: young editor who was behind that op ed, or was

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Speaker 5: one of the editors behind it, that was kind of

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Speaker 5: my end of my time there. It was sort of

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Speaker 5: the line drawn in the sand by the movement, and

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Speaker 5: it said you have to post something irrational, you have

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Speaker 5: to post something that we all kind of know is

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Speaker 5: a lie. The opbed doesn't put lives in danger. But

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Speaker 5: you have to do that, and if you don't, then

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Speaker 5: you're clearly not with us and so. And that's not

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Speaker 5: coming from the top down. That's coming bottom up. And

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of what we're seeing in these

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Speaker 5: companies and in universities too right now, with what's going

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Speaker 5: on campus, it's it's bottom up, and then the leadership

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Speaker 5: crumbles to it. So obviously, then the editor, the opinion

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Speaker 5: section editor at the Times, after that piece Ran had

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Speaker 5: to resign. Was basically fucking a forced resignations deputy.

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Speaker 3: Also, the last question for you, I encourage everybody to

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Speaker 5: Let me tell you to check out the Free Press.

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Speaker 3: Having read this book, I did a little bit of

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Speaker 3: player managing myself when I ran out Kick and then

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Speaker 3: I saw to Fox. I'm curious for you to analyze

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Speaker 3: what you think the future is of news and journalism.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you thought about it a lot as you

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Speaker 3: the Free Press, which is a subscriber based platform. You're

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Speaker 3: a player manager, I would imagine in some ways, along

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Speaker 3: with your wife and trying to manage this new era

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Speaker 3: of journalism and news. Are you optimistic that we come

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Speaker 3: through the Trump era, however it ends, and news is

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Speaker 3: in a better place. Or do you think we fragmented

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Speaker 3: and blown up to such an extent that everybody just

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Speaker 3: goes and finds their shard of reality and there is

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Speaker 3: no sort of cohesive news industry anymore.

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Speaker 2: Where are we going?

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Speaker 5: I think the new world of media upstarts is obviously

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Speaker 5: so exciting. Guys like real players who are coming up

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Speaker 5: to push against the legacy press and to have the

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Speaker 5: old values but in slightly new formats. What are we

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Speaker 5: at the Free Press. We're a newsletter that's now a website,

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Speaker 5: we have a the podcast. We're not doing anything revolutionary

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Speaker 5: in terms of form. What's revolutionary is we're doing old

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Speaker 5: fashioned journalism with the skill sets and the values of

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Speaker 5: the old world, but the freedom and curiosity of the new.

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Speaker 5: And I'm really optimistic about us, obviously, but others too.

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Speaker 5: I'm optimistic about a bunch of new media up starts.

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Speaker 5: And then what in my dream world happens is then

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Speaker 5: all of these upstarts start to pressure the legacy media

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Speaker 5: to be more honest, to get better, to improve itself,

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Speaker 5: and so Hopefully the free press ends up making The

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Speaker 5: New York Times a better place and making NPR a

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Speaker 5: better place. Hopefully it makes a better ecosystem, a more

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Speaker 5: honest one. I think no one wants to be lied to,

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Speaker 5: and no one wants even your political adversaries, no one

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about the future as well. This is great.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna read the book. To Bucks point Ally's point,

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Speaker 3: we get a lot of books. I'm very fascinated to

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Speaker 3: read yours. Keep up the good work. Congrats on the

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me on your producers.

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Speaker 3: to go listen to that there. Thanks Toanelli Bowls. By

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Speaker 3: after the Revolution, you and I were talking about how

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Speaker 3: Michael Mason gets the video clips out. He works fantastic

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Speaker 3: for us. Getting married today in Maui. I've still never

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Speaker 1: Hawaii's amazing Maui. You can't go wrong getting married in Maui.

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Speaker 3: Michael is getting married to his fiance, Chelsea, who we

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Speaker 1: They're very cute couple, the two of them. And they

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Speaker 1: and many decades of health, happiness and love ahead of you.

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Speaker 1: And Michael, thank you for all the great work you

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Speaker 3: to go check it out. Incredible resort in East Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Just a little ways outside of Knoxville in the Great

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Speaker 3: Smoky Mountains. Basically, I took Crockett Coffee with me and

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Speaker 3: I had Crockett coffee every morning while I was in

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Speaker 3: East Tennessee. And I gotta tell you, this coffee is incredible.

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Speaker 2: When you sign up for a subscription, you're gonna love it.

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Speaker 3: And importantly, you're out there and you walk into we

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Speaker 3: were just talking with Nelly Bowles there. If you walk

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Speaker 3: into a coffee shop and you give your money to

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Speaker 3: a company that hates you and your values, doesn't it

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Speaker 3: just kind of feel sick to your stomach? A lot

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Speaker 3: of you are doing that. Starbuck is Starbucks is using

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Speaker 3: some of their profits to help fund transgender surgery for miners. Yep,

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Speaker 3: what in the world if you are listening to us

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Speaker 3: right now and you have a choice to spend your

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Speaker 3: money with companies that value you and support what you

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Speaker 3: believe in, or to give it to a bunch of

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Speaker 3: commy lunatics, it feels like an easy choice.

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Speaker 2: Plus, the coffee's amazing at coffee dot com.

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Speaker 1: Crocketcoffee dot Com everybody, and there'll be more gear coming

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Speaker 1: up soon on that website too. You can buy t shirts, hoodies,

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Speaker 1: It's kind of stuff you really want to wear. And

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Speaker 1: I remember it's all a celebration of American history, of

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Speaker 1: the legacy of Davy Crockett and the frontier spirit. So

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Speaker 1: and more products coming there. Clay, we have more with

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Speaker 1: President Trump here. You have not heard this if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to right now. This has not aired before. It

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Speaker 1: is our interview with President Trump. We talked to him

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Speaker 1: for a while last night, hanging out with Big Tea himself,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna bring you the latest. He talks about

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Speaker 1: the border wide open border, what's he gonna do about

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Speaker 1: securing it, about the wall, about deportations, We get into

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Speaker 1: that and much more. Also, does he think Biden? Clay

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Speaker 1: asked him, does he think Biden's even gonna be his opponent?

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Speaker 1: That's all coming up. Trump stick around