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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in, and shout out to our super producer

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Speaker 1: Max Adenda Williams Sele. This is speaking of selector. These

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Speaker 1: are some selects for us your nol I am Ben. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are doing something different. It's our first quote unquote

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Speaker 1: clip show of Matrosh goadl of Segues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're kind of like uh cure, We're like DJs

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Speaker 2: on the BBC, you know, like playlist or something.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. And this is this is funny big

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Speaker 1: because backstage this brief explanation, Max Noel and I talked

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Speaker 1: about the different things that get left out of episodes

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Speaker 1: because you know, it is when you're deep in research,

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Speaker 1: you're a sponge. You gather all this stuff and sometimes

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make it in because of time or because

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting fact that may not fit the story.

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Speaker 1: So we're doing something kind of like, as Max pointed out,

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Speaker 1: kind of like Morty's mind blowers from the show Rick

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Speaker 1: and Morty or interdimensional Cable now that I think about it.

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Speaker 2: So speaking of the kind of stuff you see in

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Speaker 2: that Rick and Morty episode. Ben, I love the idea

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Speaker 2: of sponge gathering things. I'm just picturing a sort of

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Speaker 2: anthropomorphic sponge with weird long arms. It's just kind of

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Speaker 2: gathering things up in baskets.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Yes, so we are. That's what we are doing.

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Speaker 1: That's who we are today. We have a lot of

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Speaker 1: tangents and trivia and we just wanted to explore some

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Speaker 1: of these interesting ones that we couldn't let go of.

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Speaker 1: They didn't make it in the show. Although we are

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Speaker 1: that we have a fourth person here. We do. We

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Speaker 1: have our special guest, Alex Circa Alex, thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming on the show. Thanks for having me nice on air. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like we're being observed. We guess one will go.

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Speaker 2: We've got the observation windows on the outside. Here people

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Speaker 2: lookie lose, and then we've got these lookie loose over here.

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Speaker 1: We've got the cameras. We've got a big television screen time.

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Speaker 1: We should just put someone on the screen, just like

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Speaker 1: a still image, very awkwardly stare at random person. I

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Speaker 1: would go, Christopher, They're just like nodding their head. They

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Speaker 1: like it. Or boring cam feed of all time. Put

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Speaker 1: on c Span put on the crazy compilation clips of

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Speaker 1: Sea Span anyway speaking and clips Uh no, maybe we

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Speaker 1: open with this one. A while back. We looked at

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Speaker 1: nuclear test sites. We looked at broken Arrows. Very interesting

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Speaker 1: and surprisingly terrifying. Well it's not surprising, it's a regular terrify.

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Speaker 1: Losing nukes is crazy. We wanted to explore nuclear test sites.

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Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to do this in the episode. Folks,

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Speaker 1: It turns out there are some nuclear test sites you

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Speaker 1: can visit today.

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Speaker 2: Cool bring your own Geiger counter or maybe they even

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Speaker 2: issue them. I love the sound those things make, those

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Speaker 2: little click click clicks. I feel bad. I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: Oppenheimer yet. I did see the Barbie movie though, and

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Speaker 2: it was delightful. But yeah, Trinity, of course back where

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Speaker 2: it all began in Sikoro, New Mexico is obviously a

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Speaker 2: very important location in the film Oppenheimer about the creation

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Speaker 2: of the atomic bomb. On July sixteenth, nineteen forty five,

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Speaker 1: And this is weird, Okay, there are some caveats with

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Speaker 1: exploring this test site. The US military detonated a third

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Speaker 1: team pound klutonium contraption. It just annihilated things. It was

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Speaker 1: Sand is turning into glass windows one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: Exactly is this this You mentioned it as a contraption.

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Speaker 2: Was this the one that was referred to as the Gadgets?

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Speaker 2: They didn't have a lot of time to work on

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Speaker 2: thingy yeah, yeah, the watch Man call it the do Dad.

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal. And I have a good friend who

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Speaker 2: the big caveat the site of the Trinity detonation is

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Speaker 2: Or they're like, you know, shooters on towers to keep

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Speaker 1: Like what are we talking here? Why?

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Speaker 1: quick addendum here. It turns out that the Trinity Site

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Speaker 2: Well, another spot you can visit if you want to

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Speaker 2: see some nuclear craters is the Marshall Islands, where you

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Speaker 2: a long history that we've discussed multiple times, of using

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Speaker 1: you know what, it's so chill. We probably don't even

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Speaker 1: be fine. They'll be fine with it. And if you

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Speaker 1: want to learn more, checkout stuff they once you know,

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Speaker 1: as episode on nuclear testing in the Marshall Islands. The

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Speaker 1: Marshall Islands were only one example. Islands and atolls in

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Speaker 1: times for nuclear test and there wasn't a real effort

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Speaker 2: It's like we just talked about with Nator and like

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Speaker 2: practically one hundred years of four people thought maybe we

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nuclear Yeah, And there's there's a weird story

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Speaker 1: Raft or maybe maybe just the mango. Maybe the phrase

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Speaker 2: I like Operation Mango. I feel like there should be

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Speaker 2: it when we hang out with our pale mangesh Operation Mango.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna start saying that.

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Speaker 1: I love that. So three years.

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Speaker 2: Later, and after expend in the neighborhood of a quarter

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Speaker 1: Built a dome over it. Oh nice, a big, giant

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Speaker 1: concrete dome. So it's kind of it's the geopolitical version

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Speaker 2: a is a more appropriate name than just concrete dome.

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Speaker 1: So question, I mean, were they building this like so

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Speaker 3: Oh, there is full blown radio Ka's and the concept

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Speaker 1: of something called Operation Ivy or it's a consequence. It's

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Speaker 1: a great band. Yeah, it is a great band. That's

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Speaker 2: in real time. Okay, Alex, you're just gonna is really good.

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Speaker 1: it in dropbox. Is that sneaking in the phone and

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Speaker 1: he's fallen? Know it's just for you? Right? It makes

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Speaker 1: my heart saying that's our palm Matt Frederick, Alex, what

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Speaker 2: It's pretty good. We can claim no credit for it.

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Speaker 2: That's why we're able to really give it. Give it props. No,

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Speaker 2: did you hear the one I made for Lauren? No?

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Speaker 3: Who's that guess hosting the show?

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Speaker 1: Lauren? And she's on this podcast? Hey Lauren? Sorry, that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll send it to you later. We played on

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Speaker 3: the show once before. I think that's one too many

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's a little more of a beat poet vibe.

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Speaker 2: Well, your efforts were much appreciated. And you know, speaking

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Speaker 2: mentioned before in the past, in a previous life, I

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Speaker 2: covered some nuclear waste dumping sites, you know that are

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Speaker 2: very hilariously referred to as superfund sites. I originally thought

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Speaker 2: But in Augusta, where I did some work for public

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Speaker 1: Uh, there's a place called the Savannah.

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Speaker 2: then the thing goes in the attic.

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Speaker 1: I mean once it's such a sunk cost fallacy. Once

433
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Speaker 1: you have a mannequin, what are you gonna do? Throw

434
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: it away? Weird? Yeah, you put it in the weirdest

435
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: room in your house. You guys know, My grandfather when

436
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: it was alive, was a sculptor, and so he had

437
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: mannequins and they were in the part of the garage

438
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: that people didn't go to.

439
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: That way, when the Scooby Doo gang comes a call

440
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Speaker 2: and you give them a good fright.

441
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, and then give them, you know, a constellation mannequin.

442
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: He didn't solve the murder, but here's here's a body. Yeah. Anyway,

443
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: So this survivement Caboostia, yeah yeah, again the needlework. This

444
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: survival town also sometimes called Doomtown, that had these folks

445
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: also good band name, yeah yeah, also had these folks

446
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: going about their day to day routines, you know, And

447
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: they did some research. They said, where would these people

448
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: be at this point, at this time of day when

449
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: this bomb detonates. What happens when a bomb explodes over

450
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: a real town. So this was definitely worthwhile research. But folks,

451
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Speaker 1: look up the pictures if you if you can't tell

452
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Speaker 1: how creeped out we are by talking about this. Just

453
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: go ahead and ruin your afternoon. Total Spooksville one hundred

454
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Speaker 1: percent spooky Town, and you know what happened just now, Noel, Max, Alex, Hey,

455
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: thanks for hanging out. I think we're gonna have to

456
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: make this just the nuclear Bits episode. I know it's

457
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: a little bit short, but we have this long list

458
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: of lost bits. We might have to go like category

459
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: by category. This one is deemed.

460
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: It felt that way, it felt right and natural. Also,

461
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: we got a holiday coming up, so you know, we'll

462
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: just give us a break, y'all.

463
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Speaker 1: Come on, come on. We're people to It's Labor Day.

464
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Speaker 1: Podcasters are people to It's Labor Day, and you can

465
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Speaker 1: celebrate it even if you're not currently pregnant. Is that right?

466
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Speaker 1: Is that the one where you're not supposed to wear

467
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Speaker 1: white after it or you do wear white after it?

468
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: Or it's one don't you don't why? I don't understand.

469
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: And that's a tail for another day. Yeah, we should

470
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Speaker 1: also get into the history of the Labor Day movement,

471
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: right since we just did a Nator episode representing consumers,

472
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: and I think when we do that, when we can,

473
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Speaker 1: maybe we can save the wearing white reveal. What can

474
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: I just do it? Now I've already got it up

475
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: on the screen. It's just I think we should this

476
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: obviously shouldn't be a thing. This is correct.

477
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: The holiday, originally in the eighteen eighties, was the official

478
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: end of the summer and the start of the fall.

479
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: The quote unquote rule you cannot wear white after Labor

480
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Day spans back to the late nineteenth century and was

481
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Speaker 2: reportedly invented by an elite group to use fashion to

482
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: separate those with and without money. Booo, not in the

483
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Speaker 2: spirit of the labor movement at all.

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Speaker 1: I like wear white. I like the idea. Well. As

485
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Speaker 1: a color blind person, I'm kind of restricted to great white.

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Speaker 1: You got your white? Oh nice, that's gonna last at

487
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: least a couple of weeks. Fight the system. Also, whenever

488
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Speaker 1: I think of wearing white after Labor Day, I am

489
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: reminded of one very amazing film, Serial Mom. Do you

490
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: guys remember Serial Mom.

491
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: I know she murdered people based on them not having

492
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: you know, white manners.

493
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she killed people. She killed someone for wearing

494
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: white shoes after Labor Day. That's right, that's the that's funny.

495
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's a John Waters movie. That's yeah.

496
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Speaker 2: A lot of people don't realize that, oh that tracks

497
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: tracks Yeah, and it holds up. It's it's pretty funny.

498
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen in years.

499
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: I just remember thinking it was probably it felt like

500
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 2: his more accessible John Waters movie, considering that some of

501
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: his early stuff involves like eating poop and stuff like.

502
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, corporate, that's right? Is that the word? So good?

503
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: With these words?

504
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 3: A guys to jump in here, because you know, since

505
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: we're you know, just gonna talk about nukes today, I

506
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: got one more I wanted to throw in there. This

507
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: is not in the sheet secret careful. We're talking about

508
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: Bikini Atoll, which is also part of uh of the

509
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: Marshall Islands. This is the one they basically blew up.

510
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: But funny enough, this is the origin story for Godzilla.

511
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, Yeah, there was.

512
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: There were some people who were safely evacuated. I'm doing

513
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: strong air quotes across the glass to y'all. I don't

514
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 3: know if you'll see them, but they just saw this

515
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: giant explosion. And then there was this conspiracy theory that

516
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: the explosion and all, you know, all the dirt everything

517
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: rising up was a monster coming from the sea, which

518
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: is where the creation myth of Godzilla came from what

519
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: all actual do they just blew up an island in

520
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: a country in the middle of the ocean. I think

521
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: we talked about this many times that yet just have this,

522
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: you know, this weird kind of fed up kink of

523
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: just going to the ocean and just blowing up these

524
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: beautiful islands.

525
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: They called it manifest destinies.

526
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: And Godzilla is almost this this this personification of like

527
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: retribution for trying to play god Sure, you know, like

528
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: it comes for your cities.

529
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: You know, your your modern uh you.

530
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: Know, meccas or whatever, and and Godzilla doesn't care.

531
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Speaker 1: Let's do the orgins of Godzilla too.

532
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: There's so much symbolism we're talking about that kind of

533
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: stuff and that kind of genre. And I'm sure, Ben,

534
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm pretty positive you've seen this. There is a film

535
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Speaker 2: by Bung June Ho called The Host, which is a

536
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: very cool modern kind of Godzilla. It's not a giant creature,

537
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: which I like, which I think, if you know, if

538
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: you want a modern giant creature film, I still think Cloverfield,

539
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: the original one is quite quite good. But The Host

540
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: is it doesn't even bother with the backstory too much.

541
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: It just basically starts with a bunch of scientists messing

542
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Speaker 2: with chemicals, and then there's a monster and then that's

543
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Speaker 2: the movie.

544
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: And it's it's Korean Korean.

545
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's it's very much a character study,

546
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: and all of these characters kind of end up being

547
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: these archetypes. And there's like one who's like an Olympic archer,

548
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: and of course some archery comes into play, but the

549
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: c G I really holds up. There's the first kind

550
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: of monster attack scene is like on a lake side

551
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Speaker 2: kind of and it is really really good.

552
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Speaker 1: Also, I was curious about this. I know, I'm always

553
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: proposing adventures and you guys aren't always into them. Are

554
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: you talking about not doing that? Not doing that? That's that?

555
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: That was a bait. That wasn't fair, you know, I

556
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: just don't. I've got a heights thing, man.

557
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: You can visit here's who talk about. Yeah, no, did

558
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: an entire episode about this. You don't get to know

559
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: what is life if not to be lived?

560
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: I bet I like I want my life to be longer.

561
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: Hot air balloons are just death traps. So you're saying,

562
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: especially some mob might come hollo think of them as

563
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: freedom traps. Yeah, or or or how about this, because

564
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: you want to fly like a bird man I am.

565
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: How about this, guys, you don't have to go in

566
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: the hot air balloon. You know. I'm working on giving

567
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: my pilot license for a real playing no offense to

568
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: hot air balloon nuts balloonis but uh, but we can

569
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Speaker 1: once the war ends, and we all hope the war ends,

570
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: there's a week war. We could travel to Chernobyl. The

571
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Speaker 1: war with Eurasia. We've always been a war with East

572
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: Asian I.

573
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Speaker 3: Have a better idea.

574
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Speaker 1: What do you think of hot air balloons? I can

575
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Speaker 1: confirm I've been on one before.

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Speaker 2: Cool, you're the bravest one amongst us, and yeah, good,

577
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: good job.

578
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: I would do like.

579
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Speaker 2: I also am not a huge fan of open air

580
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: high roller coasters. They freak like the Goliath flags.

581
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: I go through these periods where I'll get over a

583
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: fear and do it for a while, and then the

584
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: fear returns and then I'll no longer do it.

585
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: That's not my claustrophobia? Is it? Waxes in Waynes? All right? Yeah? Well,

586
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: how is your what would the word be radiophobia? Your

587
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: fear of radiation? Chernobyl has some amazing wildlife. When the

588
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: war in Ukraine ends, I think it would be really

589
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: cool to go there.

590
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like become sort of this weird wildlife

591
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: refuge like them.

592
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: That's right. Remind me what Gorky Park is been.

593
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: There's a song by the Scorpions called the Winds of Change,

594
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: and there was an excellent podcast about how that was,

595
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: like theoretically was meant to be, Like it was like

596
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: a sleeper kind of like government implant to like create

597
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 2: this sense of like you know, Russia, Russian kind of

598
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: unity or something like that.

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00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: There's a there's a park in Moscow.

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00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's park, but the lyric is like something

601
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: like down in Gorky Park and it's you know, the

602
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: winds of Change.

603
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: Ah. Yes, So they're probably there is funding from the

604
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: FBI historically that goes into those sorts of hearts and minds,

605
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: war of entertainment. So it might be something like that.

606
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: That they never prove it unequivocally I believe in the podcast,

607
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: but it is something that the lyric is. I follow

608
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: the Muskva down to Gorky Park listening to the wind

609
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Speaker 2: of Change an August summer night. Soldiers passing by listening

610
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Speaker 2: to the Winds of Change. It's weird because the Scorpions

611
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: were a German band, and it's just it's a really

612
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: interesting podcast.

613
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: What year was that song? This song came out in

614
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety Okay, that tracks for me, you know why

615
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: because the Berlin Wall fell in nineteen eighty nine. That's right.

616
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: So there's an article in the Guardian Winds of Change.

617
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: Did the CIA write the Cold War's biggest anthem, Scorpions

618
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Speaker 2: power ballad was the sound of the Iron curtains fall?

619
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Speaker 2: But a new podcast explores rumors that it was propaganda.

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Speaker 1: Nice and we're going to call it a day there.

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to explore more of the things we

622
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Speaker 1: thought we lost. Congratulations Max, Noel, Alex, it's our first

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Speaker 1: clip show. Thank you guys for hanging out. Thanks our

624
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Speaker 1: research associate, Max Williams, H Noel, thank you to you.

625
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Speaker 1: Thank you to the quist, our own Cold War nemesis,

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Speaker 1: H and Alex Williams.

627
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Speaker 2: Who can goose maeah this bang and bop that you're

628
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: hearing right betwixt your very hate right the CIA guys.

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Speaker 1: Question question, question for you.

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Speaker 3: So if the biggest Russian nuke was called the tsar Bamba.

631
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Speaker 1: What would Strickland's name be if he was a nuke?

632
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: It was Tarbalda. Ouch. Oh that's so mean. I mean,

633
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: isn't that what we were going for? But he said

634
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't like called chrome dome and things like that.

635
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeahar Balda is a little more innocuous. Tom. He was

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Speaker 1: on that episode, wasn't he He was on that episode. Well,

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Speaker 1: that one's for you, Stric. Hope you are well. I

638
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Speaker 1: can't wait for you to join us again soon on air.

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00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Pal Jonathan does have a lot of cool things he

640
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: is cooking up, and maybe maybe if we can have

641
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: a bit of an amnesty on air, he'll tell us

642
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: about them. I'm sure we can do an armistice. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time, folks.

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