1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Mayfield is gonna take it and no signal. Now there 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: is touchdown, Cleveland wide open. It's Landry for the touchdown. 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Second and goal, here's Samuel's out of the back field 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: for the touchdown. And finally the Steelers are able to 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: break through get it into the end zone, and four 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: defensive penalties against the Browns help get the ball down 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: the field. On third and goal, Mayfield into the end 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: zone and cause for the touchdown. Carlson, how about his 9 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: first catch of the year. That was a beauty. Here's 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: a flag as whoa, hello, whoa Mason Rudolph got a 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: day to get out of there. What in the world 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: to leave Miles Garrett swinging a helmet? Yeah, that'd be 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: some objections. He was well after the play he tackled Rudolph. 14 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: Rudolph didn't like the way that he was tackled. Oh gosh, 15 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: oh man, oh, oh my goodness, rips the helmet off 16 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: Rudolph's head and then eventually swings it and hits him 17 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: in the head. And then Ogan Joby comes up and 18 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: hits Rudolph from behind. Gosh, that's one of the worst 19 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: things I've ever seen on a professional sports field. That 20 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: was Joe Buck and Troy Aikman describing a fight that 21 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be remembered a lot longer than the Cleveland 22 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: Browns twenty one to seven victory on Thursday Night Football 23 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: over the Pittsburgh Steelers. I am Greg Rosenthal alongside Chris Wesseling. 24 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: Uh in your beautiful house, Chris. Unfortunately, Keach has gotta 25 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: go to bed. She's got uh an early shift to 26 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: get to. And you know, we've got some wild things 27 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: to talk about because this game was secondary and we'll 28 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: get to the game uh in a bit. It was 29 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: largely forget about. Big win for the Browns, but the 30 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: last ten seconds in which Miles Garrett threw Mason Rudolf 31 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: to the ground and then wound up taking his helmet 32 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: off and hitting Mason Rudolph in the head with the 33 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: helmet is obviously something we've never seen in NFL history. 34 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to think of similar circumstances. Albert 35 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: Haynesworth stomping and kicking Andre Garrard the Cowboys center in 36 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: two thousand six comes to mind. He was suspended five 37 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: games for that, But it was about as ugly as 38 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: it gets, And the immediate thought is camp Brown's fans 39 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: just enjoy anything, and then what is the NFL gonna 40 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: do with Myles Garrett. Yeah, I think we both mentioned 41 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: the Albert Hainesworth thing to each other, and then I think, 42 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: to me, it also reminded me a little bit of 43 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: that West of His playoff game debaccle with the Bengals 44 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: and Steelers just losing control at the end of the game. Uh. 45 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: In this case, it's really markets Pouncey will be suspended, 46 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: but it's really hard to blame the Steelers for much 47 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: of this. They lost two guys, two receivers to helmet 48 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: the helmet hits from an undisciplined Browns team, and then 49 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett just lost control just he went outside of 50 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: his body. It seemed like he hit Rudolph late on 51 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: the play, which I don't think should be lost in 52 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: what happens because immediately fans say, hey, you know, Rudolph 53 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: was grabbing for his helmet. He was trying to take 54 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: his off as if he was starting it. First of all, 55 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter if if that was true and 56 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: he started anyways, but Garrett knew what he was doing. 57 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: It's eight seconds left in the game. Rudolph clearly let 58 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: go of the past, and Garrett was getting in an 59 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: extra shot. And it's funny because Garrett has such a 60 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: smart guy. You know, he writes the poetry, he's he's 61 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: such a smart player the way he plays um. But 62 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: he has a reputation of getting in those little extra shots, 63 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: like he has a little of a reputation among players 64 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: or broadcaster just just like he pushes the envelope and 65 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: you like that sometimes as a player, but I don't 66 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: know what or as a fan, But I don't know 67 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: what it was in this case that he he felt 68 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: like he had to get that extra shot and then 69 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: what happened, and he felt like he had to, you know, 70 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: take Rudolph's helmet. And I don't think there's anything you 71 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: can really do to explain it. It's just a question 72 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: of like whether we see him again this year, And 73 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: everyone immediately after the game is saying, we can't see 74 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: him again this year if we're trying to protect players, 75 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: and that's probably true. There's six games left in the year. 76 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: I usually just go off precedent. There's really no precedent 77 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: for this. To me, this is a lot worse than 78 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: what Haynsworth did and Haynesworth got five games. Garrett obviously 79 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: has no previous problem with the league, but it certainly 80 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprising if that's it for Miles Garrett this year. Yeah, 81 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: it's hard to reconcile that reputation he has for being 82 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: such an intelligent player in a poetic, uh sort of 83 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: personality with what we saw on the field. And it 84 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: reminded me of a passage I've I've said before from 85 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: Bringing the Heat or where Andre Waters the Eagle Safety 86 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen nineties, he had transformed. He had 87 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: found a way to transform himself into an alter ego 88 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: where he got himself so worked up and let me 89 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: read this passage, if you indulge me for a minute, 90 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: has got things underlined. I mean this they was underlying 91 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: long before tonight. He just had it ready in case 92 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: has ever happened. When Andre suited up to play, he 93 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: was no longer Andre Waters, the loving Christian gentleman who 94 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: greeted callers on his answering machine with gospel music in 95 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: a sweetly intoned God Bless you. He was someone else, 96 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: his overman, someone know to him and his teammates as 97 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: the dre Master, and he talks about making and sure 98 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: he doesn't lose himself in that dark fantasy when he 99 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: goes there during the game, and um, this is the 100 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: last passage I'll say on it, just one sentence to Andre. 101 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: The division between real self and Dre Master is so complete. 102 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: He startled when real people in the real world, real 103 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: world confused the on field antics with him. And and 104 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to excuse what Myles Garrett did. I'm 105 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: just trying to shed some light on how a person 106 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: off the field can be one way and on the 107 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: field just lose himself in the moment like that. It 108 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: was almost like he just lost total control of everything 109 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: and was enraged and in a fury. You you hear 110 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: players talk about that all the time. I mean, some 111 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: players do it in kind of a funny way, where 112 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: who was it that says he's batman on the field, 113 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: But you hear it say all the time that it's 114 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: almost like a flipping switch. And I've also talked to 115 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: players who say, you have to be a little crazy. 116 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: You play football most of the most of the positions, 117 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: like you have to have something in you that you 118 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: can turn on and get in touch with the most 119 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, rugged primal part of yourself two or else 120 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: you're not going to survive. And Garrett, it's funny, was 121 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: a beast tonight. Garrett was awesome. He dominated Villaneueva, who's 122 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: a pretty solid left tackle for the Steelers. I mean, 123 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: he clowned him all night. The Browns defensive line, largely 124 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: because of Garrett dominated this game as bad as Mason 125 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: Rudolph was. Uh. A lot of it was because he 126 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: was under pressure and because the Steeler's offensive line was 127 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: losing so much. That's not gonna make the punishment for Garrett. 128 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Uh any lass And you're and I think what the 129 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: NFL will look at is what could have happened, which 130 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: is just obvious. You know, he he could have caused 131 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: serious damage. Who knows, he could have killed. I mean 132 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: he you're swinging a helmet at someone's unprotected head. It 133 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: could have had such a worse outcome. And I think 134 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: the NFL should treat it as if you have that outcome, 135 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: because it's really the action. It's not whether he was 136 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: able to connect or not that that you're gonna be punishing. 137 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: You don't ever see teammates after a game failed to 138 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: stick up for for their guy and in this situation. 139 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry were on the set with 140 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: Colling Wolf and the Gang and they were presented with 141 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: the video for the first time and they just said, 142 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: over and over again, it's ugly. It's ugly. And Baker Mayfield, 143 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: when he was asked about it by Aaron Andrews, was 144 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: kind of similar, there's no way you can defend your 145 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: teammate there. You just have to say, this is part 146 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: of our undisciplined mess. We can't do that. We have 147 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: to be better than that, and we it's just totally unacceptable. 148 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: It was. Yeah, it was alarming, Um, not alarming, but 149 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: uh stark, Yeah, jarring to see Baker say that and 150 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: clearly disappointed, not just in the actions in the moment, 151 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: and he's friends with Mason Rudolph, so yeah, that's that's 152 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: all part of it, but disappointed because he knows he's lost. Garrett. 153 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean, they sounded like they lost the game. And 154 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: I meant to start the podcast with that quote from 155 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry that he said to Colleen Wolf, our friend, 156 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: where he said, you know, the ending of this game 157 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: just takes the spirit out of it. Like Joe Thomas 158 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: was talking about the game in this win, and Landry 159 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: watching the video said, the ending of this game takes 160 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: that that joy away from it. Not only is it 161 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: going to be the conversation, but you're losing one of 162 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: your best players. And it ties into what's been a 163 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: running theme with this Freddie Kitchen team. You mentioned it's 164 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: a Marius Randall got kicked out of this game too, 165 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: uh for a head hunting hit Juju Smith Schuster left 166 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: earlier in the game, Uh to a hit that wasn't 167 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: even called that should have been called. On that exact 168 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: same play, Mason Rudolph was hit in the head and 169 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: a for a pretty routine roughing the passer. But it 170 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: just goes to this Brown's team where at one point 171 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: tonight they had as many penalty yards as they had 172 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: yards allowed. I mean, they were dominating this game. There 173 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: was no reason for the Steelers to be in this game, 174 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, late into the fourth quarter, and it does 175 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: get to some of not just the inconsistencies on offense, 176 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: but just the general sloppiness and lack of discipline they've had, 177 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: and then it kind of comes out in the worst 178 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: way you can imagine. Yeah, and I really have a 179 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: hard time pinning Miles Garrett's actions on Freddie right now, 180 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: I I agree with that. I agree with that, but 181 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: it does speak to this season long theme of the Browns. 182 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: When you think of the two thousand nineteen Browns, you're 183 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: going to think of the complete and utter lack of discipline. 184 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: Although I don't know, you know, you have a you 185 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: have a team wide you know, culture or a way 186 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: of doing things of like, then maybe getting those extra 187 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: hits in is somehow a little acceptable. I mean, Myles 188 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: Garretts had plenty of rough in the pastor penalty is 189 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: this is not the first one, and I don't know 190 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: if it's tolerated or what it's. It's more of the 191 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: initial action of him throwing rut off to the ground 192 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: that but the GM tolerates and in the players he chooses. 193 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: He he is a lot more liberal about, you know, 194 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: overlooking things than other GM. So Maria's Pouncey after the game. 195 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: Marcus pounce said, after the game, we'll see how serious 196 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: the league is about protecting players. You could see in 197 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: his eyes, Uh, he was furious, and he called for 198 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: a year long suspension of Miles Garrett. I think Pouncey 199 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: will certainly be suspended to. He went full right, because 200 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: I get defending um your quarterback, but ultimately you're gonna 201 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna get suspended to for kicking and punching. And 202 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: then Ogan job was kind of the most ridiculous thing 203 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: of the whole thing. He walks up to Rudolf after 204 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: it's already calming down, as if he just wants to 205 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: be part of it and he's not gonna try to 206 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: take some big shot. He just decides to push rudoff 207 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: to the ground just to say like, hey, you're you're 208 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: at all, you know what, And he got kicked out 209 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: of the game, and he'll be suspended probably because of that, 210 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: just because it was so silly and unnecessary. And this 211 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: is a Browns team that we will transition to talking 212 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: about that hasn't no one on their schedule. It's just 213 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: it's just a row of tomato can after tomato can 214 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: into weeks sixteen, and not that they played lights out tonight, 215 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: but they're doing. They have enough talent that they can 216 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: overcome the sloppiness. And sometimes NFL seasons are about the schedule. 217 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: I feel like that it's Mark has been looking for 218 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: the stretch all season. You know what, Mark has been 219 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: on it. He thought they were going to start two 220 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: and five. Then they start two and five. I think 221 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: they basically did. And then he thought that maybe they 222 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: make a run, and I think they could. And it's 223 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: rare that it's that predictable. But now that we're ten 224 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: games in, it is this predictable. And sometimes NFL seasons 225 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: really are about the schedule, Like the Patriots one eleven 226 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: games with Matt Castle because of the schedule largely, I mean, 227 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: they took advantage of good coaching and everything. Let's look 228 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: at the rest of the on schedule for a second, 229 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: just so we get kind of an idea of how 230 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: these suspensions and everything else could affect them. They play 231 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: the Dolphins next week in Cleveland, then they go back 232 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh in a game that's gonna have, you know, 233 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: all sorts of attention. Then they host the Bengals, Then 234 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: they're at the Cardinals. So the the toughest game they 235 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: have in the next four weeks is going against the 236 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh team. Uh that's led by one of the worst 237 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league, who just lost their number one receiver, 238 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: Smith Schuster. We'll see when he comes back. That just 239 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: lost James Conner again after about a quarter or two, 240 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: and I think is in the mix, if not the 241 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: obvious answer for the number thirty two offense in the league. 242 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the Steelers dream I think of 243 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: making this run. I know their schedules either. I think 244 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: got a reality check tonight because they've had bad luck 245 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: with the injuries. But they're also one of the worst 246 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: three or four offenses in the league. They've been that 247 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: every week all season and they're not making any runs. Sorry. Well, 248 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: we heard the stat during the game that they had 249 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: scored six offensive touchdowns during their four game winning streak, 250 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: and that's almost hard to believe. I say that right. 251 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: I honestly thought they were talking about the whole year. 252 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: I really did. The offense has been that bad. And 253 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: one of my favorite stats is drive success rate. They 254 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: are in the bottom four and drive success right, and 255 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: we'll fall behind the Dolphins after this week, and maybe 256 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: it's time we get to some Mason Rudolph talk. I mean, 257 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: you've been waiting for this. First of all, I do 258 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: kind of want to point out and just paying a picture, 259 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: uh for the listeners when this all started happening. You know, 260 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: there's only eight seconds, like we were about to start taping, 261 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: and it happens. West immediately jumps up to the library 262 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: as if he was like Batman going to the bat 263 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: Cave and was gonna get his weapons and his little 264 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: batmobile out. But instead West's superhero is like a football 265 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: library where he knew the exact page on the exact 266 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: book that was already outlined that he wanted to go find. 267 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: And that's why Chris Wesley makes the big Box. Well, 268 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: to be fully honest, it took about seven minutes to 269 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: find the passage. But um, the just take Okay, let's 270 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: let's get into the Rudolph I guess for a second, 271 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk also about the Browns. We're gonna 272 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: take our time because I do think there's some positive 273 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: things about Baker Mayfield and and what happened with the 274 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: Browns tonight. But West is clearly chomping at the bit because, um, 275 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: if if you were a Mason Rudolph Doubter, this was 276 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: like You're coming out party. It was like Sea World, 277 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: like this is what I've been watching. Well, it's Dan. 278 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Dan is right, and Dave Damaschik is right. It's sort 279 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: of unfair to expect great things out of Mason Rudolph 280 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: with the decks stacked against him to the degree it 281 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: has been his receivers dropping balls, his running back out, 282 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: his receivers got injured during the game. It wasn't the 283 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: best game from their offensive line. But I think that 284 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: Dan and I have been seeing this from way different angles, 285 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: and my point is that the reason altar kind of 286 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: besides the point. It's that the game is too fast 287 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: for Mason Rudolph. And I don't even think it's an 288 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: inexperienced thing. It's a playing style and skill set thing. 289 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, his throwing motion frequently puts his release 290 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: at the arm of a defender or the back of 291 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: a blocker because of spatial awareness and slow so slow delivery. 292 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: It's uncanny how often he's delivering the ball as he's 293 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: stepping into her away from pressure. That's what I've been 294 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: saying all along. I think he would he needs a 295 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: complete makeover in the way he plays the position in 296 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: order to get the results that we would want from him. 297 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: That's been my point all along, and I think we 298 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: saw that tonight. He just can't win playing this style 299 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: of quarterback. I mean, he's not it right now and uh, 300 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: everything around him. Yeah, that that is a contributing factor. 301 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: But I think you can isolate some quarterback skills and 302 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: play beyond that. He's throwing up hope balls. It's just 303 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: taken too long, You're right. I mean Aikman said it. 304 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: He basically just said he's heavy footed and he just 305 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of stands there. It's it's the Mike Glennon thing. 306 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the right It's the line between is 307 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: he courageous and can take a hit or is he 308 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: just inviting pressure and getting hit because that, you know, 309 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: because he's not moving because you just have to be 310 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: able to move, and the Steelers offense, you do feel 311 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: for him, and you feel for Randy Fickner. And I 312 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: mean they're playing with all their third stringers and the 313 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: line isn't even which is supposed to be good asn't 314 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: even playing that well either, So you feel for him. 315 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: There's no like obvious answers. I mean, they are so 316 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: bad on third and short yardage. They said they were 317 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: third three for twelve on on fourth and one or 318 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: third and one this year, and they go for it 319 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: and they turn it into you know, three for thirteen, 320 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: and there was another third and two later in the game, 321 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: and Rudolph's throwing the ball because Jalen Samuel says, no 322 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: chance to pick the you know, first down up either, 323 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: And that's why I just can't buy. I know, you're 324 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: forcing a ton of turnovers and I love this defense, 325 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: and you'll probably win some more games, but it's hard 326 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: to imagine them getting to ten, and I think you'll 327 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: probably need ten. It's not often you'll see about a 328 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: thirty play disparity between past attempts and RUSSI attempts, where 329 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: there's forty more thirty more pass attempts and you average 330 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: more net yards per carry than net Yard's proposit tempt. 331 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: I have no idea to play. I mean, the play 332 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: calling on short roaded situations was boggling my mom. But 333 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what else you're gonna do. As you said, 334 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: their best play for the last five or six weeks 335 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: is under throwing a deep ball and getting the p I, 336 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: which is an underrated play in general. I agree more 337 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks should do it more often. Do you have any 338 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: anger towards Myles Garrett for kind of putting, you know, 339 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: a bit of a somber serious tone on this recap 340 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: when really you want to be like dancing in the 341 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: aisles on you know, Mason Rudolph's grave because of a 342 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: black cart. That is not the way I would say it. 343 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: I would say that it would be a more lively, 344 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: jovial conversation about perhaps both of these quarterbacks, if if 345 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: it wasn't overshadowed by what happened late in the game. Well, 346 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: let's let's at least give Baker some do because I 347 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: know you could watch this game and say, look, they 348 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: had twelve drives, they only scored two touchdowns. There was 349 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: a ton of three and outs. Uh, you know they 350 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: got the third touchdown on the best play Mayfield made 351 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: all night, um where he you know, buys time in 352 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: the pocket and and kind of finishes that the game 353 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,239 Speaker 1: off with kind of a classic Baker play. And if 354 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: you've been watching, I think he makes three of those 355 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: plays every week. Those plays have still existed. It's all 356 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: the other plays that have been the problem. I actually 357 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: think he's played very composed and smart the last two weeks. 358 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: Not spectacular, but he's eliminated those bad plays. I think 359 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: he's making good decisions. He just and he said it 360 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: to you know, the broadcast crew too. I think he's 361 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: feeling a little more calm in the offense, and crazily enough, 362 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: I think the biggest problem he has right now is 363 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: Othell Beckham. And I know Beckham has made made a 364 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: big play in this game, and you got a touchdown. 365 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: You're gonna get some some big plays. But every time 366 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: people say, oh, that's a terrible Baker Mayfield throw, it's 367 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: the it's the Odell Beckham and they're not on the 368 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: same page. And this has been happening since week one, 369 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: week two, and you had another plate tonight where Odell 370 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: Beckham got his hands on the ball and didn't come 371 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: down with that. Beckham in Mayfield are in a funk 372 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: and Colleen asked, you know, Odell about it, and he 373 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: was was about as honest as you would expect, saying 374 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: it's a growing process. We were trying to get there 375 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: and we're not there. And Mayfield is not too efficient 376 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: throwing to Beckham, but he's been pretty efficient throwing to 377 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: everyone else, especially Cream Hunt the last a couple of games. Yeah, 378 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: I look at Cream Hunt and this is gonna sound 379 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: like hyperbole, but he's sort of the Brown's offenses answer 380 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: to what Menca Fitzpatrick gives the Steelers this missing piece 381 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: of the puzzle who was so important for their quarterback 382 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: and plays a position and passing down back that the 383 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: Browns have needed and sort of doubles as a receiver 384 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: that's been a huge plus for their offense. He's he's 385 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: playing a major role as a chain mover for them, um, 386 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: and I love that addition for them and for and 387 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: for Baker. It's funny because you know when they signed 388 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: Cream Hunt, everyone you know it was upset about it 389 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: and and killed them and and I get that, and 390 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: then yet you don't once he comes down the field 391 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: and he starts bawling out, and he's looked awesome these 392 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: last two weeks, and he was awesome for a big 393 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: chunk of his time in Kansas City. No one. I 394 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: haven't seen any any criticism of John Dorsey or any 395 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: peeps about that. So that's sort of it's this whole 396 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: dichotomy of watching football of what you're going to accept 397 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: as a fan. On the field, It's like, we love 398 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett. Everyone hates what happened tonight. There's always this 399 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: strange Poston pull and you know what Hunt did, But 400 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: the reality is he looks great as a receiver. I mean, 401 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: the third down catchy made to keep the first drive 402 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: going that's set up the Beckham touchdown was outrageous. And 403 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: then the third down catch you made in the second 404 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: drive to keep that drive going and they didn't capitalize 405 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: and it was just as good, and he kicked started 406 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: their game winning drive. I don't think it's it's a 407 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: stretch to say, like he is already one of their 408 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: more most valuable players and their offense is gonna need 409 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: to be better. Mayfield said it. They're gonna need to 410 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: be better, especially if Garrett and and even Ogan jovis out. 411 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Like their offense is gonna need to be legit good. 412 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: It's just kind of been getting better, but it's still 413 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: looking pretty average. It's gonna be need to be legit good. 414 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: And they need to start maximizing because they're still not 415 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: nearly maximizing the talent that they got. The pieces are there, 416 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: and you win some and you lose some. In this analysis, 417 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: you know, I can gloat a little bit on Mason Rudolph, 418 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: I guess, but I also thought, I mean, it's it's 419 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: unsavory at this point. It almost feels like spiking. You know, well, 420 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just playing along to your narrative here, 421 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: but I also expected Baker Mayfield and Odell Beckham to 422 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: light up the skies this year, and I was dead 423 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: wrong about that to the point where, like you said, 424 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: this is a problem with an offense that has the 425 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: pieces to be doing much better. And I think you 426 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: you wanted to check in on what I thought of 427 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: where I stand on Baker Mayfield. Now, oh that's right, 428 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: See what you look at you? Yeah, I mean, I'm 429 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: just failing as a host and you're like trying to 430 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: drag me along with you know, you're like hands. This 431 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: would have remembered to uh, you know, present this question 432 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: we talked about before. And by the way, if you're 433 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, Dan Hansis came in and did 434 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: a bang up job as the guest host of Game Debut, 435 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: which airs on NFL Network on Saturday. I just thought 436 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: it's a tough spot to go in. It's like Mason 437 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: Rudolph coming in. You know, he hadn't never seen the 438 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: playbook before. He's got you know, who is that Steelers 439 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: receiver out there catching passes tonight? Tevin Jones? Right, I'm 440 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: Tevin Jones. You know, fumbling, fumbling catches and then he 441 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: knocked it out. So you know, you guys could DVR 442 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: that it's airing on NFL Network a couple of times Saturday. Anyways, 443 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: he would have remembered to ask you the question, Chris Westling, 444 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield and his play right now and in 445 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: this season, because I really just wanted to frame it 446 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: that you were the guy last year that said he's 447 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: already a top ten quarterback and we all were right 448 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: there with you, and I believed in it um, but 449 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: you said he's already there. There's no question. I don't 450 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: need to see anymore. That's who he is. And I 451 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: wanted to kind of come back because I think we've 452 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: been fair with Baker, like letting him go through uh 453 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: some young mistakes. But ten games in, what what are 454 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: you thinking about that assessment? Well, I think for me, 455 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: the anticipation is the fun of following football, finding out 456 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: guys who are going to be good. And I readily 457 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: readily admit that I get carried away with that sometimes, 458 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: and this is a good lesson. I believe in Baker Mayfield. 459 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: I think he's he obviously can make all the throws 460 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: on the field that you wanted to make he's good 461 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: in the pocket. When he's playing well and seeing the 462 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: field well, I think you have to question how well 463 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: he's seeing the field and how well he's working with 464 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: his play cooler this year. But I I I firmly 465 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: believe in him, and I also think there is something 466 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: too when all these old krusty guys around the league 467 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: are making fun of how many commercials he's in. I 468 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: think there's probably word going around the league that he 469 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: didn't work hard enough this offseason. And I think that 470 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: a young player who's obviously talented and in my mind 471 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: he has superstar ability, there's nothing wrong with having a 472 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: setback and coming back stronger and forcing yourself to make changes. 473 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: We see it in grace great athletes all the time. 474 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: You have to overcome adversity, and in this situation, maybe 475 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: it's healthy for him to have a year where he's 476 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: got to go back and change a few things and 477 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: look at himself and say, what what do I need 478 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: to do to keep up with Lamar Jackson. It's crazy 479 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: that Lamar right now is is the class of that 480 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 1: quarterback class for for this season. And I would not 481 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: take Lamar Jackson long term over Baker Mayfield. I know 482 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: that sounds wild, but I don't think so. I think 483 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: a lot of people I disagree. I would take lamar um, 484 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people in the NFL 485 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: would probably still agree with you seeing the field is it? Uh? 486 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: And sometimes I think it's you know, and yet we 487 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: saw him see the field last year. You don't want 488 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: to put it on his heights sometimes, but I have. 489 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just been like a couple of plays. First 490 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: of all, he's getting the ball better down all the time, 491 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: like all the time. He leads the league in that uh. 492 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: And there's been a couple of times this year where 493 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: I just wondered if on a particular play with that 494 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: was the factor. But it seems more like his mind 495 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: is just not seeing things clearly that The difference in 496 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: the last two weeks, I guess, compared to everything else 497 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: is that he wasn't He hasn't been bailing out of 498 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: the pocket. He's been moving well in the pocket and 499 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: making people miss and then making a play inside or 500 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: outside of the pocket. And that's part of what made 501 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: him special last year. So I loved watching that from 502 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: him the last couple of weeks. And I think even 503 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: without Miles gar assuming he's gone for a while, I 504 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: think Baker can play better, especially with a nice UH 505 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: set up matchups. I know that you've gotta face the 506 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: Steelers defense again, but I think he can continue to 507 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: play better and better and carry this team over some 508 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: bad teams and have this team playing meeting and full 509 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: football when they late Week sixteen against the Ravens. I 510 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: do believe that it's wild how quickly these things can swing. 511 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: And we pointed out earlier than year with Kirk Cousins 512 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: that you know he he is looked upon as a 513 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: laughing stock to open up the season, and then all 514 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden, three weeks later, everyone's pointing out he's 515 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: leading the league in pass the rating and the Vikings 516 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: are ruling. Baker Mayfield can turn the narrative around in 517 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: one month. He can. The Browns cannot. Because this fight 518 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: is one of the craziest things we've ever seen. I mean, 519 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: it is. It is not uh, it's not hyperbole to 520 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: say that the NFL hasn't seen anything quite like this 521 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: in terms of an on field UH fight, And so 522 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: the aftermath is gonna take days and we've already heard 523 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: from Garrett. Would depending on who you want to listen to, 524 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: was contrite or was not Contrite enough. He seemed a 525 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: little dazed, which makes sense because I don't think anyone 526 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: they're kind of is going to realize the enormity of 527 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: everything that happened as actually how it's going to affect 528 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: his livelihood for the rest of this season. So look, 529 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about this for a while, and 530 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: this is gonna be on Freddie Ketchens ledger, whether he 531 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: likes it or not, and how he handles the aftermath 532 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: and how this entire team handers the aftermath. This um 533 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be telling and it's gonna be really important 534 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: to kitchens future. Um. But it's better to do that 535 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: with a win, right absolutely, you know it's better to 536 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: do that with a little uh hope for the playoffs. 537 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: So sorry Mark that you didn't get to enjoy your 538 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: I know that's like we we immediately went there watching 539 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: the game. We we immediate when this started happening. We 540 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: were like, oh my god. And the immediate thought was like, 541 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: why can't Mark, why can't the Brown can't just have 542 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: one nice win? You could you could tell, I mean, 543 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: even Jarvis and O'Dell you could at one point they 544 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: were trying to get the crowd in and you could 545 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: just feel like the air had been sucked out of 546 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: the room. But they'll be back at work and h 547 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: you know. The nice thing is they get a nice 548 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: long week off and then they play the weekend off 549 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: and then they play the Dolphins. So the Browns are 550 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: back in our lives in a big way. I'm sure 551 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: we'll have some updates, maybe even a suspension to talk 552 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: about on Sunday. Until then, I think we should get going. 553 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we're breaking records here. We mini pods for 554 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Keisha, who's probably not asleep because you know, 555 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: I speak loud indoors, but man, Chris really speaks loud indoors. 556 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: So I don't feel nearly as bad. So let's let 557 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: Keisha sleep and let's uh get to Sunday. We will 558 00:29:34,400 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: talk to you the h E