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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. If you're just joining us, A few things,

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Speaker 1: a few items to update you on have to do

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Speaker 1: with the NBA playoffs. According to the Mothership, Kawhi Leonard

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Speaker 1: and the LA Clippers in Utah, and the Athletic is

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Speaker 1: reporting Chris Paul has entered the NBA's Health and Safety

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Speaker 1: Protocol sideline for an indefinite period of time. No information,

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Speaker 1: no updates in the last hour, and depending on medical circumstances,

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Speaker 1: an isolation period could be shorter for a vaccinated individual.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if Chris Paul is vaccinated, but right

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Speaker 1: now his status up in the air for the start

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Speaker 1: of the Western Conference Finals. According to sources, the Sun's

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Speaker 1: facing the winner of the Jazz Clippers series, which is

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Speaker 1: tied at two games apiece. The NBA is yet to

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Speaker 1: release the schedule for the Conference finals, but if there

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Speaker 1: is a Game seven as Clippers that will be played

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, and then you might expect Tuesday night for

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Speaker 1: Game one of the Western Conference Finals. But that's just

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Speaker 1: speculating here. Age seven seven three d P Show email

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Speaker 1: address dp at Dan Patrick dot com, twitter handle at

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Speaker 1: DPS show. We had a pull question for the first hour.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can stay with it because we

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Speaker 1: had a runaway winner or loser. Yeah, who is to

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Speaker 1: blame for the Bucks loss? Everyone says it's the coach.

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Speaker 1: All right, Mike Budenholzer, what do you want to do

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Speaker 1: for hour two? Okay? My question about whether they should

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Speaker 1: play James Harden in game six didn't really take off,

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Speaker 1: but there is there a question there. Should they basically,

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Speaker 1: should they just ditch game six because they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: so tired from game five? Well, if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: then you don't have anybody play. I know you don't

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Speaker 1: have Kevin Durant play James Harden. No, you have to

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Speaker 1: go out there and play. And the question is at

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Speaker 1: what point do you say, all right, we're not going

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Speaker 1: to win this. Now we can rest up for game seven.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of strategy there for

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Speaker 1: Steve Nash and the Brooklyn Nets of we're going to

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Speaker 1: try to win this game. How how all out do

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Speaker 1: we go with this? How many minutes can I play

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Speaker 1: James Harden? Because I think if you're you're expecting Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: at home, and therefore your game plan will be we

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Speaker 1: have to get healthy, we have to get ready for

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Speaker 1: game seven. But I don't think you can just go

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Speaker 1: out there and go you know, Durand's not going to

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Speaker 1: play and James Harden's not gonna play, just so we

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Speaker 1: can rest them up for game seven. Yeahs and nowhere

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Speaker 1: not Kyrieya too. But you know, I feel like the

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Speaker 1: Bucks have a really great chance here. But game seven

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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, if all three of those guys are there,

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Speaker 1: do you give your Bucks? Like, what's the road here

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Speaker 1: for them? Um? Well, I'm not confident at all that

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Speaker 1: they can figure it out going back to Brooklyn for

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Speaker 1: a game seven. If they didn't get the call or

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Speaker 1: calls in game five, they're not going to get them

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Speaker 1: in game seven. There. This is where if you're Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: you need to work on things in game six that

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Speaker 1: you can take with you to game seven. You have

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Speaker 1: to win game six. Now you have to give the

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Speaker 1: Nets something to adjust too, and you got to figure

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Speaker 1: out what to do with Kevin Durant. And I know

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Speaker 1: that sounds silly to say, Well, of course they do

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Speaker 1: but they do, but they haven't done anything with Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant and in game adjustments. You know, ty Lou is

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Speaker 1: very good at in game adjustments. He's made some in

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Speaker 1: game adjustments or after halftime. The Clippers coach has done

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Speaker 1: a pretty good job with that. The Milwaukee Bunks do

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Speaker 1: not do that. They haven't done that. Here is Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant talking about what he did last night, which was

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Speaker 1: everything I know. The perception of me is that I

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Speaker 1: can score a basketball well, but you know, any team

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Speaker 1: that I've played on, I've been asked to do pretty

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Speaker 1: much everything from rebounding to defend, into initiating to scoring.

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Speaker 1: I might not be you know, I might not do

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Speaker 1: with one of those nights played forty eight minutes, forty nine,

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Speaker 1: seventeen and ten series, now heading back to Milwaukee with

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Speaker 1: the Nets up three games to two. The Nets were

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Speaker 1: And give credit to Jeff Green who stepped up had

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Speaker 1: Jeff Green has been around a long time. Yeah, PAULI, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good call. He was Kevin Durant, Earl Watson, Nick Collinson,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Green was twenty one, Covernor Wright was nineteen. Yeah. Wow,

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Speaker 1: all right, We'll gets phone calls coming up. And I

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Speaker 1: have a great book suggestion for you. John Wortheim has

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Speaker 1: written a book. Now he's a sixty Minutes correspondent, but

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Speaker 1: he's written a book about the year nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just sports, but it's an incredible, you know,

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four. But he also weaves in the music.

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Speaker 1: You know, Springsteen exploded in eighty four, not literally, Prince,

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Speaker 1: but you have all of these events that happened Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 1: Wayne Gretzky and hockey. But John has this book and

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Speaker 1: I'm halfway through it and it's it's a great read,

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Speaker 1: easy read, fun read. And I do make the book.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I have just a quick mention for

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Speaker 1: and I'll go get the book and they'll read you.

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Speaker 1: You're going to read aloud? Yes, I'm going to read

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Speaker 1: aloud Dan Wow. Heading back to his private man cave

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Speaker 1: back there. Hey, Paul, what do you think the follow

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Speaker 1: up will be to this book? L John Wortheim nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty five. All right, So I have the book here,

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Speaker 1: and let's see. I actually wrote things down, you know,

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Speaker 1: I like I put little markers in the page because

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Speaker 1: there are certain things that I wanted to go back

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Speaker 1: and remember. And there's great stuff on the USFL, great

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Speaker 1: three dollars after they sued the NFL. Let me see

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Speaker 1: where where is this great passage with me in here

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Speaker 1: in this book? Uh? Let me see oh, here it is.

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Speaker 1: So it's about David Stern, the former NBA commissioner. Outside

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Speaker 1: of basketball circles, David Stern's profile was modest, so modest

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Speaker 1: that when he announced he was announced as commissioner, a

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Speaker 1: take to the streets for a sticky piece asking New

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Speaker 1: Howard Stern. They knew Isaac Stern, the violinist. Drew a

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Speaker 1: few uh mentions. David Stern didn't register. That's it. That's

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Speaker 1: that's my passage in the book. Nice, Well are you

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Speaker 1: in the index? Like yeah, yeah, yeah, but the sticky

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Speaker 1: part I didn't like that, But I'll take that up

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Speaker 1: with Wortheim at another another juncture here, Yes, booklub and

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Speaker 1: effect is this, um, you know, Father's Day book Club

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Speaker 1: because Pappy land with right Thompson can't go wrong with

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Speaker 1: that wonderful book. Page turner and uh glory Days the

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Speaker 1: summer of nineteen eighty four, ninety days the Chaine Sports

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Speaker 1: and Culture Forever. That's the book and John will join

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Speaker 1: us coming up, yes point. We have a tagline for

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Speaker 1: the new the Dan pat Show Book Club. We don't

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Speaker 1: read them, but we recommend them. Yeah, but I do.

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Speaker 1: I read Pappy Land and I'm reading Glory Days right now. Yes, Tom,

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Speaker 1: so you actually had the polabora to do that to

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Speaker 1: the Okay all it all started there, Yes, it did

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Speaker 1: like he could turn real quick, and we had our

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Speaker 1: we had good conversations privately as well. And when he

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Speaker 1: have been there to pay my respects to David Stern

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Speaker 1: because what he did, when he did it, how he

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Speaker 1: NBA was full of drug addicts and they were trying

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Speaker 1: But in the moment what David Stern was up against,

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Speaker 1: And you know, he talks about the NBA draft like,

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Speaker 1: but the star players weren't there. Eighty five when Patrick

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Speaker 1: But it's it's really a very interesting book and a

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Speaker 1: And John will join us coming up here, Yes, MC club.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see some of these Dan Patrick Mann

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Speaker 1: was the first time all four commissioners sat down together.

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Speaker 1: I had Pete Roselle, I had David Stern. You know,

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Speaker 1: John Ziegler was the he was the president of the NHL.

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Speaker 1: But but I have this, I mean, I look like

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Speaker 1: I'm fifteen years of age sitting down with these these

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Speaker 1: four guys. But it never happened before, and it was very,

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Speaker 1: very lucky, fortunate to be able to get that opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yes to is that when collusion in sports first started,

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Speaker 1: there when you were doing Yeah, um, hey, let's knock

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Speaker 1: online wherever books they're so, John, I'm one hundred pages

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Speaker 1: I think I think the quote was like she had

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Speaker 1: vines of gnarled veins crawling up her arms. Well, geez,

426
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Speaker 1: she got herself in shape to play a sport. That's

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Speaker 1: that's a crazy thought. She had an entourage of people

428
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Speaker 1: that acted as a support team. She was way ahead

429
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Speaker 1: of her time and wasn't just It wasn't just that

430
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Speaker 1: she didn't get credit for it. She was mocked. This

431
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Speaker 1: would play something you made fun of four for using

432
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: a supercomputer, and in nineteen eighty four she was basically

433
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Speaker 1: playing moneyball with tennis. He's John Wortheim, the Sports Illustrated

434
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Speaker 1: executive editor and of course the author of Glory Days.

435
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Speaker 1: You can see him on sixty Minutes. It's the Summer

436
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty four, The ninety days that change sports

437
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: and culture forever, now available online wherever books are sold.

438
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Speaker 1: I was in the early stages of my career, of course,

439
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: in ascending career, but I was there to cover the

440
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: USFL and I went to those press conferences at Trump

441
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: Tower where he'd have the big waterfall and the escalator,

442
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 1: and you know, if it was Doug Flutie or herschel Walker.

443
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: I covered the USFL trial like these are all these

444
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: these brings, like I get twitched and I start to

445
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: twitch a little bit when I think back to that,

446
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: What did you find out about Trump? Then? That maybe

447
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: would have braced you for us? That this is who

448
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: Trump is now, that is a great way to put it.

449
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: He give him this, he's he's committed to the role.

450
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned press conference and escalators and Trump

451
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: Tower and uh sure use that playbook again. Um no,

452
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: I mean you go back and I'm part of the

453
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: Jeff Perlman wrote a great book about Trump in the

454
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: USFL and there were some great stories from eighty four

455
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: is sort of when he became this national figure. And

456
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: you read those stories and it's amazing to compare that

457
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: to to you know, Trump. Trump plays fast and loose

458
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: with the truth, but he sure has a certain magnetism.

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Speaker 1: There was a story that Willie Geistgad wrote an article

460
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: and it said something like, you know, riding around with

461
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is like you know, riding around Manhattan with

462
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: a motorcycle with no windshield. You get a lot of

463
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 1: bugs in your teeth, but it's sure is fun. And

464
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: basically he is what he is and the same sort

465
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: of the same playbook he used with the USFL the

466
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: same way there was a lot of vagueness. There was

467
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: a lot of media. I mean, Charlie Steiner, who is

468
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: sort of the voice of the general, tells the story

469
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: is that the players love Trump because after the game,

470
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: he'd go to the locker room, but he'd say, you know,

471
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: everyone did, it's Trump kr Ump, same as the building.

472
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: And he would hold the press conferences and the players

473
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: would say, fine, up, I'm leaving, I'm vote out to dinner.

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00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: You can hear and do the press conference, but it's

475
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Speaker 1: it's a lot of the same mo in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: four that it would be thirty two years later. How

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Speaker 1: close do you think the USFL or some of these

478
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: teams came to being absorbed by the NFL. That's a

479
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: great question, because I mean, the one thing that became

480
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: clear to me researching this book is we cannot underestimate

481
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Speaker 1: the force. And you know the start of anyone the

482
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Speaker 1: force that is cable television. And this was right around

483
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: the time that these networks were realizing you could charge

484
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: the cable system the subscriber fee and totally change the economics.

485
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, these networks all need programming. And

486
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: if Trump, I mean, I think single handedly Trump did

487
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: to the USFL, like you know what Isaiah Thomas did

488
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: for the CBA in basketball. I mean, Trump just wrecked

489
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: this league. If they had hung around and gotten a

490
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Speaker 1: cable TV deal, whether or it would have been a

491
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: competing league, or whether it would have had to have

492
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: been absorbed ABA NBA style the USFL. Had they hung

493
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: out a couple more years, I think they really could

494
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Speaker 1: have made it. What stood out at the eighty four Olympics, Um,

495
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan No, I think I think what stood out

496
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: was you had this, this boycott, and everyone thought that

497
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: this was the death of the Olympics, right you had

498
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: you had terrorism in Munich and Montreal was a financial disaster,

499
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: a boycott and eighty and the Soviets arnt gonna compete

500
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: in eighty four and it didn't matter. And for a

501
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: variety of reasons. Peter Eubroth comes in for a lot

502
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Speaker 1: of credit in this book. There was no terrorism, there

503
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: was no drama. We all watched this. It was a

504
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: slow summer. We all got big Max and fries. When

505
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 1: Americans won medals, it was the highest, you know, the

506
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: most viewed program in American TV history at the time, UM,

507
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: Peter Uber. You know, we all love Marry lou Retton

508
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: and Carl Lewis and Jordan and Knight who I see,

509
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: uh tier left. But Peter Ubroth was the the MVP

510
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: of those Olympics. This stuff with Jordan's interesting going back

511
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: to where he wanted to stay for his senior North

512
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: Carolina and it almost felt like Dean said, hey, you're

513
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: going to the NBA. And the fact that Bob Knight,

514
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: it didn't take long for him to realize that this

515
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: is the greatest basketball player talent wise he had ever seen.

516
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: Trying to convince the Blazers to take Michael Jordan and

517
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: they said, you know, hey, we got Clyde Drexeler and

518
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: Jim Patterson. We have no room for Michael Jordan. Those

519
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: were great, Those were great stories. There, great nuggets. Knights

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00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: quote to stut Inman, the GM of the Blazers, who

521
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: was a friend of his, and you're right, the guy said, hey, well,

522
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: we don't need Jordan. We already got a swing man.

523
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: We got this Drexeler guy, we have h you know,

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00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: ironically enough, we have Jim Paxson. And nice quote was,

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Speaker 1: trust me, take Jordan, play him at center if you

526
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Speaker 1: have to. You don't want to miss on this kid.

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Speaker 1: For whatever his flaws were, give give Bob Knight credit

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Speaker 1: for that. One toughest interview to get for the book

529
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: was who the interview that never happened, which was Jordan.

530
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: He's tough and you know you I mean, I was

531
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: saying this the other day. You go back and you

532
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: look at nineteen eighty four. He is so cool and

533
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: he's funny and he's a prankster, and you know, I mean,

534
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: I certainly understand how fame can can wear you down.

535
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: But to me, it's a bit of a pity that

536
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Speaker 1: he's been a little reclusive because he was great as

537
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Speaker 1: a twenty year old, great as a twenty one year old,

538
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: and I think that the fame monster sort of beat

539
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: him up. But No, people were great for this book,

540
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: and I think it's because at David Stern was a

541
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: real resource and he was basically saying, everyone remembers it, right,

542
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: everyone knows magic and Bird and people have these memories.

543
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: But it's it's far enough away so I don't have

544
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: to worry about, you know, saying something I shouldn't. So

545
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: people were great when I got him. But Jordan full

546
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: full disclosure, Jordan declined my outreach well, and I went

547
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: through this first hand. I was very lucky to do

548
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: those interviews after he was winning championships. But he was

549
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: going to be the number one athlete, the Sports Century,

550
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: number one athlete, and we couldn't get him for an interview,

551
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: and we were treating we were chasing Michael Jordan down too.

552
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: He was going to be the number one athlete, and

553
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: then we like, Mike, you're going to be the number

554
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: one athlete. Everybody else has done an interview here, And

555
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: we eventually got him. I had to go to New

556
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: York last minute to his hotel, set it up. He

557
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: came in from golfing and he sat down, and I

558
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: don't know how long he went, and I don't even

559
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: know how good it was, but we would have looked

560
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: really bad with the number one athlete and he wouldn't

561
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Speaker 1: sit down. But I just think he gets to that

562
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: point where what does he need to answer anymore? But

563
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: if you had one question you knew you were going

564
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Speaker 1: to get an honest answer from Michael Jordan, what would

565
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: you have asked? I wondered whether in nineteen eighty four

566
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: he had a sense of where this was going. He

567
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: was supremely confident, he knew about he understood the business

568
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: right away. I mean, David Fauk did not have to

569
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: convince him that he needed his own signature shoe. I

570
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: think Michael Jordan, for as much as we talk about him,

571
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gotten enough credit for really changing

572
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: the balance of power in terms of athlete and management.

573
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: And I wonder in nineteen eighty four if he was

574
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: already onto this. And I think you know, I mean

575
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: you and I know this, right, some athletes are cut

576
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: out for this, and some athletes they are what they do.

577
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: Maybe they're just not that interesting. Maybe they've been burned

578
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: by the media. I mean, Michael Jordan. Go back and

579
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: read about you know, his quotes and the way he

580
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: conducted himself, you know his decision. We've never experienced a

581
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: fraction withst fame. I certainly haven't. But this guy has

582
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning sense of humor and Barkley's instincts. I mean,

583
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: at age twenty, at age twenty one, he was fantastic

584
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: as as a character. So it's it's it's a little

585
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a pity to me that he's

586
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: so reclusive now because he had it in him to

587
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: be this fake figure who was a lot more prominent

588
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: in the call. I mean, his call, his decision. I

589
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: hope he, you know, enjoys the golf, but I do

590
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: think he had it in him to be Peyton Manning

591
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: or Barkley if he wanted to. Yeah, But I look

592
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: back differently on Jordan. His mom made him go to

593
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: Portland and meet with Nike. You had the two different

594
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: agents who were going to represent him. They kind of said,

595
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: you get Sam Perkins and you get Michael Jordan. Sonny

596
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: Vicarro is the one who deserves the credit from Michael

597
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Jordan being that because Sonny said, give him all the money.

598
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: Let's let's do a shoe based on a player that

599
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: was unheard of because you had Magic and Larry were

600
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: doing Converse, and as you point out in the book,

601
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: Converse didn't really invest in these individuals. They just basically

602
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: gave you a check. Sonny McCarroll had the wisdom to say,

603
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: we're going to create a shoe from Michael Jordan. That's

604
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: the that's the genius there. Mike just went along for

605
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: the ride success as many fathers, you know, George, George

606
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: Raveling played a role. I mean, I think some of

607
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: this too. You know, David Falk is his tennis agent,

608
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: and he has his boss, Donald Dell, who's in Falk

609
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: is really kind of you know, it's like entourage. I mean,

610
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, David Falk is really trying to make a

611
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: name for himself, and he seizes on Jordan and says,

612
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: this guy is charismatic, he's playing in a big media market.

613
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: He understands intuitively what I'm trying to do. So yeah,

614
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think Sonny gets credited. I think Ravelin

615
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: gets credited. I think Falk gets credited, but I think

616
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: Jordan got it. And Jordan understood that there was a

617
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: lot more money on the table for an athlete than

618
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: what his rookie contract with the Bulls was going to

619
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: pay him. And Jordan really, you know, Jordan leaned into

620
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: the role, right. I mean, he did the shoots and

621
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: the limos, and he did the Mars Blackman, and Jordan

622
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: understood intuitively that he wasn't going to make nearly as

623
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: much money from the Bulls as he should have, but

624
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: there were these other revenue sources and I think this

625
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: is a real Yeah, we talk about sort of activism,

626
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: and then you know, cards sixty eight Olympics and uh

627
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: even more recently Kaepernick. But I think Jordan understanding commerce

628
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: is one of these pivot points in sports history that

629
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about. I think that's true with

630
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: Jordan and Martina understanding that speak up, use your voice.

631
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Speaker 1: I think those were the two the two things that

632
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: stood out so much with the book so far that

633
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: I've read. And you did a great job. It's it's

634
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: it's a great read, John, And uh, I can't wait

635
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: for the sequel nineteen eighty five that that. I'm sure

636
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: you're working on that right now. Right try to think

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Speaker 1: Looks like Kawhi Leonard will miss game five. Expected to

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Speaker 1: A couple of phone calls in here Ian in Virginia, Ian,

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Speaker 1: and North Carolina, Chuck, what's on your mind today? Hey? Hey, damn,

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Speaker 1: I'm the first he'll billy redneck to be on your show.

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Speaker 1: I don't hear no rednecks on your show. I just wondered,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't you see screen calls that

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Speaker 1: Me and my granddaughters watching a ball game out last

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Speaker 1: He's got a little bit of a basket, IQ And

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Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, Chuck. I ain't thank you,

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Speaker 1: You're right. Why is that one guy able to do

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Speaker 1: guy like Charles Oakley would just put a hard foul

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Speaker 1: And who would that be? Yeah, you don't have those

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Speaker 1: Um you'll have a hard foul. I mean, you saw

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Speaker 1: a hard foul that that would be a playoff foul

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Speaker 1: inadvertently hits him in the face, but he did get

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Speaker 1: a lot out of the ball. But it's just the

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Speaker 1: wind up there and that's why he would But you

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Speaker 1: game for that, certainly a playoff game, certainly not the MVP,

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Speaker 1: but it just times are different here and protecting these players,

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Speaker 1: like I don't like a cheap shot, but I like

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Speaker 1: a shot to remind you of you know what, where

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Speaker 1: this is still a physical game, I mean basketball it

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Speaker 1: it doesn't appear to be physical the way it used

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Speaker 1: able to use force when you need to. All right, mcleven,

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Speaker 1: do you have something for me with Against the Gring.

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Speaker 1: It's two minutes left in the segment? Okay, well, how

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Speaker 1: and I'll give him mclovins sixty seconds. Yeah. He put

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Speaker 1: three callers in front of Against the Grain. Now I was,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, they've been waiting, yes, Eton maybe Todd

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Speaker 1: That's Matt Hughes who sent that, and I believe, of

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Speaker 1: course Todd forwarded it to me. Yes, and like Fritzie's

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Speaker 1: those words barely rhyme. They're very forced. Oh no, that

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Speaker 1: correct when there's not much to expect. The limericks are

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Speaker 1: Coming up next hour, true or not true, it's a

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Speaker 1: new game. McLevin has this incredible against the grain segment, right, incredibles.

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Speaker 1: It's a really strong word passable. Yeah, but I'm trying

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Speaker 1: Fritzie wants to write up another limerick, might as we'll

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Speaker 1: throw that in there. Nick Wright, popular Fox Sports one

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