Speaker 1: Revel reveally.
Speaker 2: Look Attle snow.
Speaker 3: Jesus, you fit in seamlessly in this weird nkn FN.
Speaker 4: When your box gets set and yeah, a new intro baby,
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, brother, what is it the first time you're
Speaker 4: seeing that?
Speaker 5: That's the first time I'm saying it. I was actually
Speaker 5: going to start the show today talk just to kind
Speaker 5: of emulate the Brian Campbell voice over there.
Speaker 1: But well, that's cool. We need for that, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: for that, they have switched it up. Hello everyone, Hello,
Speaker 1: on this twenty third day of February twenty six, Welcome
Speaker 1: to Morning Combat. I am merely one half of your
Speaker 1: very very cold and frozen duo. I joined you from
Speaker 1: the capital of the status of Needles right here in Washington, DC,
Speaker 1: joined by a man who's got it much worse than me,
Speaker 1: who I think. This is a live stream, as you
Speaker 1: indicated on the pre show, Chuck from Planet Hath.
Speaker 6: You know on Star Wars, you know that's what it
Speaker 6: feels like.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: We have like an eight foot plow drift that like
Speaker 5: by my garage here from previous plows that hadn't even
Speaker 5: gone down a little bit from the previous heavy snowfall.
Speaker 5: And there's basically a trench in our driveway from the
Speaker 5: snow now that's completely filled in, it looks like it's
Speaker 5: it's there's no the weird thing about this, man, it's
Speaker 5: like a muted earth right now. There's no cars on
Speaker 5: the road out here. It's it's a completely just quiet wonderland.
Speaker 5: But dude, it's still coming down and I think we've
Speaker 5: got about twelve twelve to fourteen inches already.
Speaker 6: It's this is a bad one.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, we did not get it that bad in
Speaker 1: terms of the snow at all. I think we got maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, three, maybe four inches or something like that.
Speaker 1: Most of it didn't stick to the ground because the
Speaker 1: temperature of the earth here at least is still pretty warm.
Speaker 1: So I had to kind of like push a little
Speaker 1: bit of like snow cover off the ground. It wasn't
Speaker 1: really even shoveling. It is gonna be cold today, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be cool tomorrow. But we didn't get down off.
Speaker 1: You got off lightly this time, Luke, I did. I'd
Speaker 1: be glad man Long Island got smoked, and then Boston
Speaker 1: and then like the the the the the Massachusetts area
Speaker 1: more generally due they got freaking destroyed.
Speaker 5: It was like horizontal right like there, I was looking
Speaker 5: at some wind factors over there, like we didn't really
Speaker 5: get that if it happened. It was like early in
Speaker 5: the morning, but I was half expecting snow drifts over
Speaker 5: the windows the way they were talking about it, none
Speaker 5: of that. But dude, it is a heavy snowfall.
Speaker 1: Well, nevertheless, we made it. Everyone made it. Everyone the
Speaker 1: show here made it. So we're glad to uh to
Speaker 1: have you here at Chuff. We have a lot to
Speaker 1: get to today. We're going to re reacting, of course,
Speaker 1: to the UFC show in Houston, where Sean Strickland got
Speaker 1: certainly one of the very best we'll talk about exactly
Speaker 1: how good it was, but certainly one of the very
Speaker 1: best victories of his career, as well as everything else
Speaker 1: down the line in that card. Plus we'll be talking
Speaker 1: of course about Ryan Garcia's pretty big win, pretty easy win,
Speaker 1: have to be honest with you, over Mario Barrios, and
Speaker 1: a whole lot more we'll do DMS. I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a bit of a game. We got a
Speaker 1: lot to get to before we're going to further. Very quickly,
Speaker 1: let's bring in the third member of the show here.
Speaker 1: He also got smoked by this. Uh this weather storm
Speaker 1: here not.
Speaker 3: As bad is Jeff Neil Aoh yeah, but dude, I
Speaker 3: got like a foot and a half. It's bad out there. Also,
Speaker 3: I have a covered front porch, so like I shouldn't,
Speaker 3: I normally don't get any snow on my front porch.
Speaker 3: I had to shovel like a foot of snow off
Speaker 3: my front porch just from the wind bringing it up there.
Speaker 3: But not great out there. Fun card this weekend, though, Boy, yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you didn't? Are you supposed to get more snow today?
Speaker 1: It's currently snowing right now.
Speaker 3: It's not like heavy snow, but it's snowing right now. I, however, though,
Speaker 3: can see pavement on my streets, so they're doing a
Speaker 3: good job plowing right now. I gotta go shovel after this.
Speaker 1: It's gonna all right, very good. Uh, let's set the
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Speaker 1: DC flag design in the background. Very quickly, Chuck, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you saw. I mean, I don't know if there
Speaker 1: will be any change, but there was obviously. How do
Speaker 1: we say this, The Mexican government killed a cartel leader
Speaker 1: and the cartel then lashed out and set ablaze portions
Speaker 1: of Porto Yarta and Guadalajara. Now the event is scheduled
Speaker 1: for Mexico City, and I would have imagine that the
Speaker 1: security potential in Mexico City is still pretty good. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that will mean for them, but something
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When is that card? That card's coming up Saturday. That's
Speaker 5: this Saturday, Okay, Saturday. Yeah, that's crazy man. Yeah, I've
Speaker 5: been seeing all that footage coming out of port of
Speaker 5: I ardbad, what a crazy thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. Also if you want to reach the
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm forgetting anything. I don't believe
Speaker 1: that I am. So if that is out of the way,
Speaker 1: let's get this party started topic number one, let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. So in the main event of UFC Houston,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, well, first of all, as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, Sean Strickland scores a third round stoppage over
Speaker 1: Anthony Fluffy Hernandez, and he was a surgeon contender. He
Speaker 1: was writing an eight fight win streak. But this is
Speaker 1: my question. I thought that Sean Strickland barely got touched.
Speaker 1: I rewatched the fight, Chuck. I couldn't believe just how
Speaker 1: little in the end, even numerically in my more, but
Speaker 1: just visually watching how little Anthony Hernandez could really ever
Speaker 1: get going. You can't argue that Sean Strickland beating Izzy
Speaker 1: taking his title is anything other than his most important
Speaker 1: and you know, certainly most consequential win of his career.
Speaker 1: I don't think this win is as good as that
Speaker 1: win for those reasons. But my question to you, Chuck,
Speaker 1: is this, while it's not his most important victory, was
Speaker 1: this the best performance of Sean Strickland's career.
Speaker 6: I think it might have been.
Speaker 5: And you know, part of that is on Fluffy too, right,
Speaker 5: because I didn't feel like at any point that Fluffy
Speaker 5: came to life in that fight. You know, his his
Speaker 5: corner was kind of imploring him basically to go in
Speaker 5: there and put him on his back foot a little
Speaker 5: bit at least follow up the one shots with something more,
Speaker 5: and you could see the kind of you know, you're mentioning,
Speaker 5: didn't he didn't really, he didn't really hit Strickland. The
Speaker 5: couple times he did. There was a flurry in the
Speaker 5: first round, and it was you know, I remember when
Speaker 5: Imovov fought Strickland. He kind of had some success with
Speaker 5: this too, which was kind of just moving in very
Speaker 5: quickly and surging forward and landing those shots. There were
Speaker 5: a couple of moments like that, but for the most part,
Speaker 5: I felt like Fluffy really wasn't there, Like he just
Speaker 5: he let Sean basically get comfortable from range and got sniped,
Speaker 5: you know, that whole fight. So if you're looking at
Speaker 5: it strictly from that, like I thought the poise, the
Speaker 5: composure that Sean Strickland showed in a fight where maybe
Speaker 5: his back was a little more against the wall than
Speaker 5: it had been, was certainly there. But it's tough, man,
Speaker 5: because like, if you're looking at it, I think that
Speaker 5: that's a good It's relevant to bring up the Izziada
Speaker 5: Sanya fight because we it was kind of out of nowhere.
Speaker 5: But at that time there was something like I remember
Speaker 5: kind of going on, you know, writing about this and
Speaker 5: saying like, does he have the kind of mental makeup
Speaker 5: I guess to win a championship and to you know,
Speaker 5: to kind of carry that because he was one of
Speaker 5: these guys who, like you wanted to his own self
Speaker 5: loathing and things like this, things that you would never
Speaker 5: think about with other fighters.
Speaker 6: Would you have that psychology? This one?
Speaker 5: It just felt like he was so dialed in and
Speaker 5: he just kind of he never was really in danger,
Speaker 5: controlled the you know, controlled the fight from as long
Speaker 5: as it lasted, and every time there was blood in
Speaker 5: the water man, he smelled it and he pounced. So
Speaker 5: I thought it was certainly next to Izzy as far
Speaker 5: as his best performances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I need to say this because there's
Speaker 1: two basic points I want to make here. So you
Speaker 1: weren't here for Friday's MK, But on Friday's MK, my
Speaker 1: assessment was I've been waiting for Sean's game, which was
Speaker 1: a little bit more defensively oriented than it was offensively oriented,
Speaker 1: and I was waiting for that to kind of turn
Speaker 1: a corner because it was kind of holding him back
Speaker 1: in fights that maybe he should have won. The cannoneer
Speaker 1: one is kind of like the pre eminent example of that. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I know he had better wins past it, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that kind of it exemplified to me some
Speaker 1: of the problems. And of course he lost twice to DVP,
Speaker 1: But before the second loss to DVP, my problem was
Speaker 1: I was kind of waiting for him to turn a corners, like,
Speaker 1: all right, you beat Polo Costa kind of barely, are
Speaker 1: we gonna get this thing dialed into a place where
Speaker 1: it's got a little bit more offensive potency? And you know,
Speaker 1: you can't just change your style. You have to kind
Speaker 1: of be who you are, But are are there some
Speaker 1: things you can add to it? And after the first
Speaker 1: DDP fight and then that kind of not so great
Speaker 1: but he won, but against Polo Costa wasn't that great,
Speaker 1: and then he really looked bad against the DDP in
Speaker 1: the second fight, again with some mitigating circumstances. I kind
Speaker 1: of thought, Okay, no, we're not going to get that.
Speaker 1: And then he comes out here in this one and
Speaker 1: I thought he did exactly that. Now, obviously the jab
Speaker 1: was the most important weapon that he did, or sorry,
Speaker 1: that he used, but there was more than that. He
Speaker 1: was putting combinations together and he was using I mean,
Speaker 1: it is so fucking unbelievable to me. I want to
Speaker 1: make this point. Look at how for example, with im,
Speaker 1: I'm not putting Sean Strickland on the level of a
Speaker 1: guy like Vulk. I mean, both were champions, but Vulk is,
Speaker 1: you know, a higher level kind of champion. However, what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say is, chuck it. Does it not blow
Speaker 1: your mind the difference between guys and in both the
Speaker 1: Vulcan case and in this case largely on the back foot.
Speaker 1: How if you are able to to methodically use movement
Speaker 1: and space, you can make guys who are actually pretty
Speaker 1: good pretty dangerous on some pretty hot wind streaks, you
Speaker 1: can make them look absolutely pedestrian. The people who know
Speaker 1: how to move surgically, thoughtfully continuously. Dude, they mop up
Speaker 1: their competition, do they not. It's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you say the word surgical. That's what
Speaker 5: it was, right, Like he was the way he was
Speaker 5: kind of sniping in this fight. It'll reminded me a
Speaker 5: little bit of remember Macheetah in his day would be
Speaker 5: on that backfoot and like he would kind of be
Speaker 5: that backward leaning posture and like he just kind of punished,
Speaker 5: he'd move out of the way. Yeah, it was, it
Speaker 5: was very like it was a little there was some
Speaker 5: shades of that right like where you're you're watching him,
Speaker 5: and I fully agree with you.
Speaker 6: He is fairly elusive.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: You take away like the Perira fight, right like something
Speaker 5: like that where he just gets caught right away. He
Speaker 5: generally doesn't. Sean Strickland is one of those guys who
Speaker 5: avoids big damage on hole and especially if he can
Speaker 5: get into a rhythm.
Speaker 6: And I thought that that's what he did here.
Speaker 5: And part of it, like we were talking about, man,
Speaker 5: this is always such a it's such a funny thing
Speaker 5: because we were talking about who who would be the
Speaker 5: better challenge between these between Fluffy and Strickland to go
Speaker 5: against SHAMAIAV and I was basically making the point that
Speaker 5: the dog the dog, and if you look at Fluffy
Speaker 5: like the dog that's in him and his aggression, that's
Speaker 5: probably the more interesting of the two. But you saw
Speaker 5: it shut down and nullified in this fight, Like it
Speaker 5: was almost like he was second guessing himself by the
Speaker 5: by the late first round, all the way through the
Speaker 5: second about how to even approach it. And a lot
Speaker 5: of that, man, is just what you're saying, because he
Speaker 5: was he was he was getting those lay kicks, the
Speaker 5: jab was finding it was just hitting him.
Speaker 6: I don't think he knew how to close.
Speaker 5: I think he only had like one takedown, uh you
Speaker 5: know the one takedown I think attempt take. They credit
Speaker 5: him with one taking attempt, but I don't even I
Speaker 5: mean it was so he was just shut down. Like
Speaker 5: you're saying when you use the word pedestrian, that's exactly
Speaker 5: how it looked to me. It never looked like Sean
Speaker 5: Strickland was in danger.
Speaker 1: So that was the one point that I wanted to make,
Speaker 1: was simply that I actually a few points. One the
Speaker 1: weaponization of movement. I just want everyone to pay attention
Speaker 1: in main events the people who can use movement effectively
Speaker 1: against if they're matched up with people who can't, it
Speaker 1: is an enormous advantage. That's one. Two. I thought that,
Speaker 1: you know again, DDP lost number one kind of a
Speaker 1: languid performance against Paula. Costa looked even worse than the
Speaker 1: DDP rematch. I was like, Okay, well he's not going
Speaker 1: to turn her corner here. And then he was able
Speaker 1: to look I thought, pretty offensively potent, in part because
Speaker 1: he didn't have huge retreats. He was able to put
Speaker 1: combination punching together that little opportunity knee. Obviously, that closed
Speaker 1: the show, or at least closed the beginning of the
Speaker 1: end of the show, so to speak. That was really
Speaker 1: really nice. But the other thing that I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: and this is the kind of point I want to
Speaker 1: really harp on here. Man, dude, it is amazing to
Speaker 1: me watching this happen like all the time now, where
Speaker 1: younger guys who are surging through the ranks encounter someone
Speaker 1: who's not necessarily over the hill, but certainly a little
Speaker 1: more senior in the division and they just can't break through.
Speaker 1: They just can't break through. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: usually you can look at a matchup, and I think
Speaker 1: this is large. You know, we look at like the
Speaker 1: total expanse of who wins more fights younger guys or
Speaker 1: older guys. Obviously, on balance it's probably going to be
Speaker 1: younger guys, but like the number of memorable situations where
Speaker 1: we're watching someone who is younger on a hot streak offensive.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can say what you want about Anthony
Speaker 1: Hernandez in general Saturday notwithstanding pretty offensively potent, and they
Speaker 1: absolutely look like lesser than they simply cannot break through.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how new this phenomenon is, Chuck,
Speaker 1: but it feels a little I'm not new, as in like, oh,
Speaker 1: it didn't exist before and now it does. No, but
Speaker 1: it feels like the volume on that was maybe out
Speaker 1: a four, and now it's closer to a six, maybe
Speaker 1: even seven, where you're just watching young contenders who you
Speaker 1: think might be all this, might be ready to make
Speaker 1: a breakout moment. No, these old dogs in these various divisions, dude,
Speaker 1: they are proving to be super resilient.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, And I mean we saw that a little
Speaker 5: bit with Diego Lopez, right because he comes in and
Speaker 5: we we identified that he needed to do I know
Speaker 5: this joke, you're crazy, like, you know, cutting the cage
Speaker 5: a little better, like the things he wasn't doing. But
Speaker 5: it's like he comes in there and it's it's like
Speaker 5: he got no education from that first fight. But if
Speaker 5: you just look at the whole thing as a whole,
Speaker 5: it felt like he was never going to you know,
Speaker 5: kind of out wiley, you know, Volkanovsky, and and just
Speaker 5: every time he made even a little bit of adjustment,
Speaker 5: you know, Volkanovsky had something for him. It was like
Speaker 5: he couldn't come up with a plan B. I don't
Speaker 5: know if that's exactly the case, but it felt a
Speaker 5: little like that in this fight because you could almost
Speaker 5: feel and you could hear the corner kind of talking
Speaker 5: to Hernandez and basically say, hey man, you got to
Speaker 5: do these things. If you're not going to do that,
Speaker 5: we're not going to win this fight. But you could
Speaker 5: see him in real time trying to figure this out,
Speaker 5: and he had no answers for this.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: The thing that like you look at guys like Sean
Speaker 5: Strickland a lot of times, we like we think we
Speaker 5: identify his ceiling because we've seen him do this thing.
Speaker 5: Like you're saying, he has Some people accuse him as
Speaker 5: being a boring fighter, maybe too defensive, like we were mentioning,
Speaker 5: but he's been in twenty four Like it's crazy. He's
Speaker 5: been in twenty four fights. This was his twenty fourth
Speaker 5: UFC fight. The guy has stood in there against so
Speaker 5: many people he trains with, you know, monsters in Vegas.
Speaker 5: He has like Eric Nixic, right, like who has been
Speaker 5: working with him. These guys, man, they are so prepared
Speaker 5: in general for most of anything that they'll see that
Speaker 5: you and also just like you know, what would you say,
Speaker 5: like the urgency of it, right like just kind of
Speaker 5: making sure that you understand the moment and you're taking
Speaker 5: advantage of that. Like, I feel like we underestimate some
Speaker 5: of these guys for just the experience they have, you know.
Speaker 5: And I think Stricklands definitely. And I didn't realize I
Speaker 5: had to go look at this that he had twenty
Speaker 5: four fights. I would have guessed he had more like fifteen,
Speaker 5: fifteen or eighteen fights. I didn't realize he'd been in
Speaker 5: the UFC quite that long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's no doubt about it. And again it's
Speaker 1: not like like in the case of so for example,
Speaker 1: I I made the calculation for the UFC through twenty four.
Speaker 1: Main event that the young not that I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: the ultimate upside of Geche had obviously been higher than
Speaker 1: the ultimate upside of what we've seen to that point
Speaker 1: than Patty, but Patty was so much younger. I thought
Speaker 1: Gegye was kind of on the down swing, and I
Speaker 1: thought that would have made a difference. No, it didn't. Now,
Speaker 1: I did pick Vulk ahead of Diego, but that one
Speaker 1: was like, you know, one guy had such a glaring weakness, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean where you're like, uh, Fluffy
Speaker 1: didn't seem to me to be like exactly of that
Speaker 1: way yet Sean. Yeah, I'm not comparing him exactly two Vulk,
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is there was there similar
Speaker 1: ish kind of shades of it where a guy is
Speaker 1: using movement and another guy can't keep up. And really,
Speaker 1: here's the story of this fight, too, Chuck. First round
Speaker 1: was you know, reasonably competitive. I thought in the end
Speaker 1: Sean got the better of it, maybe to get the
Speaker 1: ten to nine, but you know, it was, you know,
Speaker 1: numerically it was pretty similar in terms of the stat totals,
Speaker 1: and again a round for Sean, but fine, no big issue.
Speaker 1: Fight gets away from Fluffy in round two. That's a
Speaker 1: very clear Sean Strickland round. And then Fluffy comes out
Speaker 1: in round three and tries to do this bit rather
Speaker 1: because by the way, he did a poor job cutting
Speaker 1: him off. Yeah, that was one thing in real time,
Speaker 1: I thought he a lot of guys chuck a lot
Speaker 1: of guys, And I've seen this in Mma Diego Lopez
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. They don't do a good job
Speaker 1: of cage cutting. So what they do to make up
Speaker 1: for it is they try to just play what I
Speaker 1: call hurry up offense. I borrowed the term obviously from
Speaker 1: from basketball. They'll play a bit of a hurry up
Speaker 1: or sorry football, well you can use both. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do is they're trying to they'll
Speaker 1: just stand a little bit closer and they'll throw a
Speaker 1: little bit more. But it's not strategic. It's almost designed
Speaker 1: to force a mistake by inducing panic or a set
Speaker 1: of quick responses that you know, elicit a mistake in
Speaker 1: the process. Right, You're you're just answering so often you
Speaker 1: can't get it right. But that doesn't work against good
Speaker 1: guys either. Because Sean has a way of just defining
Speaker 1: the terms of the fight, Like, what did that fight
Speaker 1: look like to you? Did it look like a fluffy
Speaker 1: fight or did it a look like a Sean stricklight
Speaker 1: look like a Sean Strickling fight from the beginning to
Speaker 1: the end. Let me put this quote up on the
Speaker 1: card on the screen. Rather this was fluffy. After the fight,
Speaker 1: you guys might have heard this, he said quote. I
Speaker 1: got sloppy. He got caught with an effing knee up
Speaker 1: the center. It's all right, I'm gonna go back to
Speaker 1: the drawing board and I'm gonna get better. You've seen
Speaker 1: what happened when I lost last time. I made big jumps.
Speaker 1: It's just time to get back to work fair enough.
Speaker 1: It's the right attitude, and I hope that he does.
Speaker 1: But the point I'm trying to make Chuck is he
Speaker 1: couldn't get anything going in around one, not much. He
Speaker 1: got even less going around two and just decided I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play a hurry up stile of offense and then
Speaker 1: got finished for it. Not not ready for a guy
Speaker 1: as skilled as Sean Strickland. Not even close.
Speaker 5: It turned out, No, And did you get the feeling
Speaker 5: like when he says well, I got caught with that
Speaker 5: body shot. I mean, and it was it was a
Speaker 5: great body shot. But did you get any sense that
Speaker 5: the that the tables could be turning at any point
Speaker 5: in this fight? Like that's always the thing, right, Like
Speaker 5: you just see a guy being outclassed, and so then
Speaker 5: then you see kind of like, okay, at least he had.
Speaker 5: I guess when you say it's like something like hurry
Speaker 5: up offense, you know, maybe that's what's required sometimes, because
Speaker 5: there was absolutely no disruption to what he was doing,
Speaker 5: and Sean Strickland was just doing what he wanted. I
Speaker 5: think he doubled him. And this is when he's at
Speaker 5: his very best, is when he can kind of double
Speaker 5: you up on strikes and just kind of keep hitting
Speaker 5: you with the jab and keep you at range. And
Speaker 5: like he was able to keep doing that. I give,
Speaker 5: I guess, in some way fluffy credit for saying, like, well,
Speaker 5: let's just see if I just go in with with
Speaker 5: a little bit more abandoned, if I might be able
Speaker 5: to disrupt the rhythm of what he's got going on
Speaker 5: and see if something might happen.
Speaker 6: But obviously.
Speaker 5: That did not work, because that was like the one
Speaker 5: moment he came forward right like that. That body shot
Speaker 5: was him coming forward and trying to do that, and
Speaker 5: and that was effectively the end of the fight.
Speaker 1: It's weird. Fluffy has a pretty good chin, but his
Speaker 1: durability to the body is there's no This is by
Speaker 1: my account at least the fourth fight where he's been
Speaker 1: rocked by a body shot.
Speaker 6: That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point, Like.
Speaker 1: You're at this point now where yeah, you'll notice there
Speaker 1: was that one exchange in round one where Sean put
Speaker 1: that combination together and got the better of Fluffy in
Speaker 1: a brief moment if Fluffy just smiled and walked into him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but then you get hits to the body and
Speaker 1: then it closes the show. And I think you have
Speaker 1: to give Strickling a little bit of credit here. Again,
Speaker 1: I sorted sort of my point out by saying this
Speaker 1: at the top, which was for a guy at MMA.
Speaker 1: In boxing you can have a style that's a little
Speaker 1: bit more defensive based and getting really well. I think
Speaker 1: that that is a limit. There's a limit that in
Speaker 1: mma in ways that it's not true in boxing. So
Speaker 1: you need to be more offensive than you are defensive.
Speaker 1: And to me, what this fight showed was Strickland still
Speaker 1: has a little bit of some tricks up a sleeve,
Speaker 1: where he is still kind of fine tuning the process
Speaker 1: to be able to deliver more offense off of an
Speaker 1: inherently defensive style in ways it honestly, he hasn't really
Speaker 1: done that. I mean, again, this is his to me,
Speaker 1: this is his best stoppage win. This is his best
Speaker 1: stoppage win. For sure, it's his best stoppage win. But
Speaker 1: the way in which he looked so languid in the
Speaker 1: last three fights and then looks so potent here, you
Speaker 1: have to give him credit, you really do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, who was it? I think it might've been.
Speaker 5: DC was trying to point out, like, if this version
Speaker 5: of Sean Strickland shows up to the cage, he can
Speaker 5: compete with anybody, including Shamaiev. I mean, I know we're
Speaker 5: going to talk about that in a minute, but like
Speaker 5: that is that is a question, right because you're always
Speaker 5: like where's this guy's head? You know a lot of times,
Speaker 5: and even in this particular, in this one, like he
Speaker 5: goes to Houston, what does he do? He makes all
Speaker 5: these headlines for all the wrong reasons. He puts a
Speaker 5: very strange kind of vibe to the fight and almost
Speaker 5: like an expectation that you it's gonna be hard to
Speaker 5: live up to. Uh he you know, he kind of
Speaker 5: did this with the Easy Fight too, and then he
Speaker 5: goes in there he puts all that aside and just
Speaker 5: like puts on that show that's you know, it's it's
Speaker 5: been very it's adventurous with him in that sense, like
Speaker 5: you just don't know what you're getting from fight to fight.
Speaker 5: And I do believe he's one of those head cases
Speaker 5: that you know, I know we're talking about Ryan Garcia
Speaker 5: later on, Like you know, it's like one of those
Speaker 5: guys that you the unpredictability is just that you're not
Speaker 5: sure where his head is, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like when he goes into a fight in this particular one,
Speaker 5: it looked like he was so dialed in that you're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that that version of Sean Strickland would be fun to
Speaker 5: contemplate against anybody.
Speaker 1: It's incredible to watch. I kind of want to put
Speaker 1: this topic to bed as we move on, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the what's next for the division? Well, actually, you
Speaker 1: know what, before we do that, very quickly, I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta be Okay, So, as I mentioned, I'm making
Speaker 1: these mistakes where I ordinarily you can kind of rely
Speaker 1: on youth to begin to really surge through, and they're
Speaker 1: having a tough time breaking through in MMA. But we
Speaker 1: also got to be careful on the other end, Chuck,
Speaker 1: which is again Diego Lopez had like no cage cutting
Speaker 1: in the first fight, and they make him fight him
Speaker 1: again without a ton of time necessarily to work into that. Now,
Speaker 1: he also looked he didn't put any effort into fixing
Speaker 1: what was wrong, which is a different problem. But the
Speaker 1: point I want to make is if we're going to
Speaker 1: posit that the younger guys, and Fluffy's not super young,
Speaker 1: he's thirty two, and I think Showan thirty five or
Speaker 1: something like that, but thirty four maybe, but you know,
Speaker 1: certainly more experienced, and yeah, there longer. If we're going
Speaker 1: to posit that the young guys can't break through, it
Speaker 1: also is kind of going to be true in many
Speaker 1: cases that we have to wait for the younger guys
Speaker 1: to also maybe become kind of old guys themselves or
Speaker 1: at least you know, war horses before we can really
Speaker 1: conclude what their ultimate upside would be. I mean, he
Speaker 1: it might just be Hernandez just needs a little bit
Speaker 1: more time, which is crazy to say at thirty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it really just be the case. I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to bury him. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's like when we're talking about a guy
Speaker 5: like Fluffy, it's the fresh blood, not necessarily like the
Speaker 5: young gun, but like a fresh blood who hasn't really
Speaker 5: been in the big fights, and he's like now you're
Speaker 5: finally getting to see him in.
Speaker 1: The big things.
Speaker 5: Because with like Raphael Phazi, for instance, like going against
Speaker 5: Justin Gaichee, I remember, I was like that he's going
Speaker 5: against the guy who's on his way out and this
Speaker 5: guy's on his way up in Physie and they fight
Speaker 5: twice and both times Geichee wins this fight. You almost
Speaker 5: understood physique Like I feel like that that established like
Speaker 5: like his baseline are okay, we understand now that maybe
Speaker 5: he's not cut out for the top. It really was informative.
Speaker 5: And then when you look at a guy like Ben
Speaker 5: while Saint Denis who like took on you know, uh,
Speaker 5: Dustin Pourier in that fight, and you see him kind
Speaker 5: of falter and all of a sudden gas himself out
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden he's getting beat Like he's
Speaker 5: not the youngest guy, but like he's the fresh face,
Speaker 5: the guy who's coming up. He has way less experience
Speaker 5: and way less fights in the UFC, and you feel
Speaker 5: like they hit these markers and you're like, okay, now
Speaker 5: we gauge them for real, like we find out can
Speaker 5: is this guy really ready for the upper echelon?
Speaker 6: And that's kind of what we're at with this one man.
Speaker 5: And just like in all those cases I felt, and
Speaker 5: especially the Volkanovsky case, Strickland held court, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, like, and that's that's one of those things
Speaker 5: when you when you see it, you're like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: like you can you can think of what you want
Speaker 5: about a guy like that. But as a fighter, it's
Speaker 5: very validating to kind of show at thirty four years old,
Speaker 5: to show up and put on that performance.
Speaker 1: Now, one of my rules is that when a fighter wins,
Speaker 1: you know, it's their turn to say what they want
Speaker 1: to say before the fight. I'm a little bit less
Speaker 1: interested in that, but certainly after the fight, if you win,
Speaker 1: it's your turn to talk. Interestingly enough, they cut his
Speaker 1: mic at the post fight press conference to take a look.
Speaker 7: At this You got Colby like the pretend you know,
Speaker 7: the pretend Republican, but like, who's really like entertaining? You
Speaker 7: got Jamaia of the fucking go fucker, Like, who's really
Speaker 7: who's really entertaining in this division?
Speaker 3: Nobody?
Speaker 7: So good?
Speaker 3: Oh that's wrap. Anyway, this straight.
Speaker 1: Up cut his mic. That should have done that in
Speaker 1: the here's my reaction to this, which is two things.
Speaker 1: One people were like, oh, no way UFC would do this.
Speaker 1: Paramount did this. No chance, Not a chance on earth
Speaker 1: that the UFC gets told to cut a fighter's mic
Speaker 1: by the media partner. If you know anything about the UFC,
Speaker 1: especially the UFC, you know that that is not even
Speaker 1: something you could contemplate. Not a chance that's happening. Number one.
Speaker 1: Number two, Chuck, I think that there actually might be
Speaker 1: a little bit more going on here. In other words,
Speaker 1: Dana made comments we'll look at those in just a
Speaker 1: second where he was saying, oh, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: nightmare to deal with, and he blames the media. We'll
Speaker 1: take a look at it just a second. But the
Speaker 1: bigger point is he was going after one of the coaches,
Speaker 1: Jim West, who was the head corner there for Fluffy
Speaker 1: Hernandez and I guess he. I don't follow the personal
Speaker 1: lives of anyone in MMA in any so this was
Speaker 1: news to me that I guess he's dating Aspen Ladder
Speaker 1: or they had at some point in a romantic relationship.
Speaker 1: And then Sean makes an accusations against him, which I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to repeat. But the point I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make is it's at least worth considering the UFC
Speaker 1: because it was just before this clip he was doing it,
Speaker 1: then he gets into the Chimaya of part and then
Speaker 1: they cut it. It's at least worth considering that. Maybe
Speaker 1: they cut it a little late, yes, but to protect
Speaker 1: them from him being sued potentially or the UFC from
Speaker 1: being named in a suit for Jim West from Jim Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Jim West is going to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that might have been preventative on that side,
Speaker 1: rather than Hey, we're just tired of his speech and
Speaker 1: we're going to cut it. What's your read on this situation?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I dude, I like, I've talked to
Speaker 5: the UFC back, you know, a long time ago before
Speaker 5: he ever got a title shot, and he was being
Speaker 5: you know, he was kind of working his weapon, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, is there hesitation to kind of put him
Speaker 5: in this spot because you have a loose cannon essentially
Speaker 5: on the microphone. Who's going to offend a lot of people?
Speaker 5: And they're like yes. They were basically like, yes, this
Speaker 5: is a concern of ours. So this isn't something new.
Speaker 5: And you know, do you remember UFC one hundred Brocklesner, Right,
Speaker 5: Like Brocklesner, he comes in, he gets the big victory
Speaker 5: of Frank mar Revenge is the previous loss. He gets
Speaker 5: up there and he started So bud Light was their
Speaker 5: connection to the rest of the sporting role. Bud Light
Speaker 5: was the most legitimate thing in the UFC at that
Speaker 5: time other than making it to that Hallmark event. Right,
Speaker 5: and he says, I'm gonna go drink some corps Light
Speaker 5: because bud Light don't pay me. And he says this
Speaker 5: whole spiel, remember this, And it was like, you can
Speaker 5: say anything, you can say anything, but when you start
Speaker 5: going at the moneyman, Dana White had to track him
Speaker 5: down backstage three you know whatever it is, two hundred
Speaker 5: and eighty five three hund pounds man go in his
Speaker 5: face and get in his face and basically yell at
Speaker 5: him like and reprimand him about that. And this was
Speaker 5: a big deal at that time because you know bud
Speaker 5: Light being what is Sean Strickland and the pre Like,
Speaker 5: when Dana's pissed off, he's probably pissed off only at
Speaker 5: the Paramount Plus. Really when he's like Paramount plus and
Speaker 5: he was like, yeah, man, they ruined Halo, and you know,
Speaker 5: he starts going on about fuck fuck them and all
Speaker 5: this stuff, and I'm like, that's the shit that will
Speaker 5: really piss Dane off is when you go at the moneyman,
Speaker 5: the people, you know, especially this early in the relationship.
Speaker 5: I feel like all the rest of that stuff they
Speaker 5: try to live with, but that's the stuff that really
Speaker 5: gets them.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you, I don't believe it actually bothers them.
Speaker 1: They might say that to you, I'm not telling you
Speaker 1: that you're dying, but then they use it promotionally. Then
Speaker 1: Connor does insane stuff like Connor gets it. Connor gets
Speaker 1: found liable for sexual assault in Ireland and their response is,
Speaker 1: why would you even ask me a question about that?
Speaker 5: I know, why would I? Yeah, here's why I would
Speaker 5: ask you about it. I don't know nothing about that
Speaker 5: you know, he just yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1: I don't listen to hip hop? You know, it's like
Speaker 1: what and so you know, it's like and then when
Speaker 1: they when Sean was in Australia, they turned it into
Speaker 1: a thing they wanted to promote, like, oh, come see
Speaker 1: this guy get you know, messed up. They took the
Speaker 1: front page of the Australian media reacting to Sean and
Speaker 1: like this. I don't know what the evidence would be
Speaker 1: that they're actually bothered by it. Again, This one, to
Speaker 1: me is interesting because I'm I'm guessing that it's lawsuit related,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that either could be. But I
Speaker 1: just don't actually buy that they're sick of his speech.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I'm sorry to tell you that.
Speaker 5: But do you think that like the Paramount, Like, I mean,
Speaker 5: I feel like that's the point. I'm sure paramount is
Speaker 5: like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: Right? But it's like, dude, y'all paid seven point seven
Speaker 1: billion for this. This was not the first time Strickland
Speaker 1: has done this, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: fucking tons of tape on this.
Speaker 5: It's not like and each time it's crazier and crazier, right,
Speaker 5: Like and the Toronto thing. It was like it was
Speaker 5: out of hand. But yeah, you're d you know, blaming uh,
Speaker 5: blaming us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you if you ask dumb questions.
Speaker 8: I don't think a lot of people expected Strickland to
Speaker 8: look as good as.
Speaker 3: He did tonight.
Speaker 6: I know the answer to this.
Speaker 2: But right when you look at Strickland and what comes
Speaker 2: next to him, you know he's calling for a hams
Speaker 2: At fight stuff like that. There's no like what he
Speaker 2: says during media day and things of that that doesn't
Speaker 2: affect your booking of him, right, you're still happy to
Speaker 2: put him in.
Speaker 8: Those It's a nightmare at the time. Mean, but you
Speaker 8: guys don't help asking him dumb shit. You know, ask
Speaker 8: dumb shit, You're gonna get dumb shit. Would you think
Speaker 8: of bad Buddy? Would you think of the Super Bowl?
Speaker 8: The fuck out of here? You're fucking kidding me. Yeah,
Speaker 8: So when you talk about what Strickland says, you guys
Speaker 8: like to push the buttons.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, chuck your reaction.
Speaker 5: Did the media bring up bad Bunny? I'm asking you,
Speaker 5: did they bring up bad Bunny?
Speaker 1: So my understanding is my understanding is some of it
Speaker 1: was brought up that he went into but a lot
Speaker 1: of it was also just Sean taking liberties. Yeah, Riz Zone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of the point, right, because even in other situations,
Speaker 1: you'll ask him like, hey, here's a standard question about
Speaker 1: blow so and so, and then they'll answer it and
Speaker 1: then just going on a tangent, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the bottom line is we work in
Speaker 5: the media, and everybody knows how it works. You're going
Speaker 5: to ask questions that get, you know, to provoke a response,
Speaker 5: and especially with a guy like that, you're gonna set
Speaker 5: him up. You're gonna let him trip over himself if
Speaker 5: he needs to, like they're going to do that, and
Speaker 5: but to reprimand them, like it's like you can't do
Speaker 5: an equal reprimand on this. It's like the you know,
Speaker 5: you have a guy an independent contract, not employeed, but
Speaker 5: like you have a guy that is representing your company,
Speaker 5: and if you're going to reprimand anybody, it's got to
Speaker 5: be him, right, Like it's you gotta say, hey, man,
Speaker 5: tone it down. I know they've had this discussion with
Speaker 5: him in the past, but it's it seems funny because
Speaker 5: it's almost like guys don't ask him question. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's ridiculous, right, Like, don't ask him questions where it
Speaker 5: might be a trigger for him to go off on
Speaker 5: a tangent. That's just that's like, that's like.
Speaker 1: It's an impossible state. It's impossible to meet that. It's impossible.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like, it's not the Meetia's fault that he is
Speaker 5: a loose cannon. I mean, it's just the dude's gonna
Speaker 5: say it anyway. Even if you didn't ask him something
Speaker 5: directly that you know you're trying to get some crazy response,
Speaker 5: he's gonna take it there. He's done it a million times.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you how many times I've talked to
Speaker 1: media members at major outlets who've done interviews with him
Speaker 1: during five weeks. This is like not a new thing
Speaker 1: at all. And then they do the interview and then
Speaker 1: they can't use it because he would go off on
Speaker 1: tangents about muslums or something like that, and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't use it of this. This has happened. I've
Speaker 1: heard this kind of story from people who work in
Speaker 1: major media outlets for years. At this point, it is
Speaker 1: hardly new. But it's not even the point. My point
Speaker 1: is just this, it's like it's like, Dana, what is
Speaker 1: it that you expect from the class of media that
Speaker 1: you have curried, favored with and or rejected. What is
Speaker 1: it you expect? I mean, I'm not defending all the
Speaker 1: questions that they asked. I think a lot of them
Speaker 1: are stupid and useless and otherwise a waste of time.
Speaker 1: But the ones who don't do that, you guys have
Speaker 1: mutumboed for years at this point like this is just
Speaker 1: what you have left yourself with, you know. And then
Speaker 1: other part too, is it's like, okay, well then if
Speaker 1: you ask other kinds of good questions that are questioning
Speaker 1: of power, they don't like that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, what they just basically look, listen, here's
Speaker 1: the reality. And this is this is to me like
Speaker 1: why partly I stopped going to events, but also definitely
Speaker 1: stop going to press conferences, which is what they want
Speaker 1: the media to do. And a press conference is like
Speaker 1: a perfect example. A press conference does not I mean,
Speaker 1: on occasion, it can. In general, it is not designed
Speaker 1: to have the fans there. And my point is I
Speaker 1: don't even have a problem with the fans being there,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't become a press conference at that point
Speaker 1: it becomes a pep rally and or or you know,
Speaker 1: some other kind of performative act for the public. And
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, I swear to God,
Speaker 1: I have no I have no uh, I have no
Speaker 1: opposition to that. It's totally fine. But if you want
Speaker 1: the media to interview the fighters, uh in a way
Speaker 1: that like generates anything worth a shit of actual interest, uh,
Speaker 1: it has to be one or the other. And what
Speaker 1: they want the media to do is to be performative.
Speaker 1: Who like you ever seen the volleyball You get, like
Speaker 1: what three hits a side. You get one to catch it,
Speaker 1: one to push the ball over, and then one for
Speaker 1: the guys spike three hits the side. What they want
Speaker 1: you to do is be the guy that pushes the
Speaker 1: ball up so then the other guy can come and
Speaker 1: smack it. That's what they want. They want you to
Speaker 1: serve as a de facto piece of the ufc PR
Speaker 1: machine rather than what your job is. And if you
Speaker 1: go either on the frivolous side, hey, hey, shol always
Speaker 1: think about bad money. I admit it is a stupid question,
Speaker 1: I certainly.
Speaker 6: Find but you know you're gonna get yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 1: On the other side, if you go even the other
Speaker 1: way where you're challenging power, well then you also get
Speaker 1: you your your job to them is to play a
Speaker 1: very very narrow role of helping them advance their interests.
Speaker 1: Anything to the contrary of that they lose their mind.
Speaker 5: Well, they whittle away everything, like you said, and they
Speaker 5: keep what they consider the arm of their own brand,
Speaker 5: right like they they just wanted to kind of stand.
Speaker 5: I can remember going to uh, you know, UFC's in
Speaker 5: the one hundreds, you know, like below before UFC one fifty, say,
Speaker 5: and the UFC people would they were very very chummy
Speaker 5: and they would come up and they be, hey, can
Speaker 5: you uh can you ask you know, John Fitch a question?
Speaker 1: Can you because nobody appear right.
Speaker 5: They want you to cut, they want you to participate,
Speaker 5: and I get all that, I get all that, but
Speaker 5: like there's nothing to say that They're not going to
Speaker 5: be like, hey can we uh you know, there's an
Speaker 5: expectation in place at some point to kind of make
Speaker 5: it more of an entertainment thing, right like, so especially
Speaker 5: with the life crowd. So the way it's the vault
Speaker 5: is not surprising as all. I'm trying to say, you
Speaker 5: know and now also when Dana said, dude, do you
Speaker 5: ever see pulp fiction? When with Samuel Jackson's like, if
Speaker 5: my answers frighten you, Vincent, maybe you should cease ask
Speaker 5: and scary questions.
Speaker 6: You remember that.
Speaker 5: It's like that some reason I heard that. When he's
Speaker 5: talking about that, I'm like, dude, it's just not the
Speaker 5: way it works. You know, it's not the way it works.
Speaker 5: You have, like you have a guy and it's almost
Speaker 5: he's almost like this momentum like it's almost like a
Speaker 5: comedy where somebody's like they mortify themselves more and more
Speaker 5: the more they talk, and they're like, oh my.
Speaker 6: God, why am I saying that?
Speaker 5: But he never has that moment of self reflection, or
Speaker 5: if he does, you know, he's he's like he's then
Speaker 5: he's becoming like that try hard type of guy who's
Speaker 5: just gonna roll it out as long as far.
Speaker 1: As he can, right, yeah, oh yeah, that's the best
Speaker 1: part is like, you know, the the issue is not
Speaker 1: necessarily what Strickland said, but that's someone asked him. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's how personal responsibility works,
Speaker 1: but what do I know? All right? Question Number two,
Speaker 1: let's talk about what might be next for the winner
Speaker 1: and also Hernandez two. To an extent, let's let's focus
Speaker 1: on Strickland. So now that Strickland has that's the Hernandez
Speaker 1: and did so with authority, Chuck, the question for you
Speaker 1: is what should the UFC do with the matchmaking for
Speaker 1: the middleweight title. So here's the issue. Now, Sardini Imovov
Speaker 1: has won five fights in a row, while Strickland is
Speaker 1: coming off of certainly a very excellent win, but it
Speaker 1: is numerically technically speaking, it's on a one fight win streak.
Speaker 1: It's not even a streak. You gotta win two that
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be a streak. So should UFC not? Will not? Could?
Speaker 1: Question is Chuck should should the UFC grant Strickland a
Speaker 1: title shot?
Speaker 6: The should part?
Speaker 5: Right like, I no, I feel like Imovov has like
Speaker 5: put himself in that position. I know he has the loss,
Speaker 5: and I guess if you wanted to do the strict math, like,
Speaker 5: he has that loss, but it did come out of
Speaker 5: two hundred and five pounds, right like that was a
Speaker 5: different different time, different weight class. Strickland did beat him,
Speaker 5: So I guess you could point that out if you're
Speaker 5: trying to justify it, but generally speaking, if you're just
Speaker 5: looking at what's been happening over the last couple of
Speaker 5: years within the division, Imovov has put himself in that
Speaker 5: position that the problem is that you now have two guys,
Speaker 5: and I guess this isn't really a problem, like you
Speaker 5: have two guys who are competing for the same space.
Speaker 5: The UFC is gonna have to make a decision. But
Speaker 5: it's like Sean Strickland's concerns are actually legit on this one,
Speaker 5: and that Shamaiev doesn't really fight all that off and
Speaker 5: he started off fighting a lot, but now that he's
Speaker 5: the champion, I don't get the sense that he wants
Speaker 5: to fight more than like maybe once a year. He's
Speaker 5: got a lot of different Obviously, he had his visa issues.
Speaker 5: Hopefully those are resolved with the what's going on in
Speaker 5: our presidency and all that, Like he's got that resolve.
Speaker 5: But you know, he's one of those guys, he's the
Speaker 5: Ramadan thing. He's got a lot of He's frequently injured
Speaker 5: or dealing with something. So to get him in there
Speaker 5: and whoever gets that shot, you know it's going to
Speaker 5: be you better make the most of it, right, Like,
Speaker 5: you better make the most of it. And Imovov has
Speaker 5: put himself in that spot. I'm just like, if you're
Speaker 5: saying the should in the meritocracy sense, he's the guy.
Speaker 6: But I don't.
Speaker 5: I know, the UFC doesn't operate, so they don't operate
Speaker 5: off as should right Like we saw that in the
Speaker 5: first couple of pay.
Speaker 6: Per views or numbered cards to start the year.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the issue for me. It's like, again on paper,
Speaker 1: whose resume. I mean, Sean's got a better resume because
Speaker 1: he was a champion, obviously, But I'm saying in terms
Speaker 1: of okay, we're asking who has put together the requisite
Speaker 1: amount and type of wins in the middleweight division to
Speaker 1: be the most deserving of a title shot. If we're
Speaker 1: asking that question, the answer is only Imovov. But here's
Speaker 1: the problem for me, Chuck, this is the issue. Number one.
Speaker 1: We've kind of talked about the fact that the UFC
Speaker 1: really is looking around the American landscape and they're saying
Speaker 1: to themselves it's a little bearing out here. We got
Speaker 1: to do something to promote some of the interests of
Speaker 1: the of the American market to to you know, for
Speaker 1: any number of reasons, and so that's obviously going to
Speaker 1: benefit Sean. The fact number two that they have a
Speaker 1: history together training, beefing with one another. You know whereas
Speaker 1: Imovovin and Hamzad I think are not not suit Well,
Speaker 1: they've been chummy at times, but you know they're not.
Speaker 1: It's certain you're certainly not going to get the heated
Speaker 1: rivalry that war with Strickland. Here's the other problem I
Speaker 1: have with Imovov. I don't know if I would pick
Speaker 1: either Strickland or Imovov to beat Jamayev. But if I
Speaker 1: had to pick one of them to beat Jamayev, it's
Speaker 1: definitely Strickland. Yeah, that is I just don't believe Imovov
Speaker 1: can beat them. And that and the problem with that logic, Chuck.
Speaker 1: And this is the really wetest situation is so sticky
Speaker 1: is that like you got to be as a matchmaker
Speaker 1: and a promoter. Your job is to put on the
Speaker 1: fights that people want to pay money to see. That's
Speaker 1: the job. But you have to honor some level of
Speaker 1: meritocracy to kind of keep the whole thing together. But
Speaker 1: of course you can go outside of that all the time.
Speaker 1: This is a weird situation, Chuck, because they didn't give
Speaker 1: it to Arman curryukin they gave an opportunity to Patty
Speaker 1: and that was outside the meritocratic system. Same thing at
Speaker 1: one five on this one. But if they went with
Speaker 1: the guy who was the most meritocratic, to me, it's
Speaker 1: the least suspenseful. How Ever, you can't award title shots
Speaker 1: based on what you think all the time. Anyway, Oh,
Speaker 1: this will just be more fun, Like a champion has
Speaker 1: got to defend on some level against the most deserving guy.
Speaker 1: So like, don't get me wrong, if they put Strickland
Speaker 1: in that fight, I'll be like, well, this is a
Speaker 1: much better fight. At least in theory, it's a much
Speaker 1: better fight. But at the same time, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what. They can't solve both of their problems
Speaker 1: at once. They can't solve a problem of like we
Speaker 1: got to be down the line with the matchmaking, or
Speaker 1: we got to make the fights that are the most compelling.
Speaker 1: This one there, I think in direct contradiction with each other.
Speaker 5: And you know what, if they're going to make em above,
Speaker 5: wouldn't they already be like wouldn't they already kind of
Speaker 5: be making it Like, wouldn't they Like I feel like
Speaker 5: they're waiting to see. Now, maybe it was from a
Speaker 5: Fluffy from that perspective of like if Fluffy gets through whatever,
Speaker 5: But when a guy comes through like this, and we
Speaker 5: know the recency bias obviously of the the the UFC
Speaker 5: and the fan base, like if he gets through on
Speaker 5: a fight like this, suddenly you know people are talking
Speaker 5: about you again. This version of Sean Strickland is very
Speaker 5: fun to think about. But I do I think if
Speaker 5: you're looking at straight from like blood feud and I
Speaker 5: point this out, and I don't know if it's just
Speaker 5: me like a figment of my imagination, but the Paramount
Speaker 5: Plus thing seems like they're bringing more like it's more cinematic.
Speaker 5: It's almost like they're trying to kind of have it.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't go so far as say like the w W storylines,
Speaker 5: but they love these feuds, right, I feel like this
Speaker 5: is what they're embracing. And if you're doing that, then
Speaker 5: the Sean Strickland, I mean, it is fun to think
Speaker 5: if you take out all the hatred and misogyny and
Speaker 5: all that, it's fun to think of him just focusing
Speaker 5: on a guy like Shemaiah and you know the levels
Speaker 5: of irritation and disrespect that he would do that. That's
Speaker 5: fun because right now you have a guy who looks
Speaker 5: invincible in that division. So if you put those two
Speaker 5: things together in terms of a hype package, I think
Speaker 5: that that would that would be the seller.
Speaker 1: Right, Let's go to our friend Long Island Luke here
Speaker 1: for just a second, Long Island Luke, how do you
Speaker 1: solve this problem? How do you figure out a way
Speaker 1: what is the right answer to On the one hand,
Speaker 1: one guy is from the traditional ways in which we
Speaker 1: measure eligibility. One guy has got a better case than
Speaker 1: the other. But the guy who's got the worst case
Speaker 1: has a much better case for a bigger fight and
Speaker 1: a better fight.
Speaker 3: As in the end, I kind of disagree with you.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be a better fight
Speaker 3: than I Mavov, like, I think Amavov is kind of underrated.
Speaker 3: I'm not giving either guy a chance against Tamayo. That's
Speaker 3: just the reality. I think Strickland's gonna get his ask kick,
Speaker 3: and I think Amavov's gonna get his ass kicked. And
Speaker 3: when I say ask kicked, he might just get laid
Speaker 3: on for twenty five minutes. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't favor either guy in that, so, like I'm
Speaker 3: of the old belief, give it to Imvov he deserves it.
Speaker 3: Sean doesn't fucking deserve it Off of one win. I
Speaker 3: put a pole in the chat. Who does everyone think
Speaker 3: Sean should fight next? It's overwhelmingly Hamzad, But personally I
Speaker 3: think it should be winner of RDR Bohalio get another
Speaker 3: solid win in that, and then that's the right thing.
Speaker 1: I mean. I can't even argue with the logic of it.
Speaker 1: I just can't chuck, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: can't say anything like yes, that probably would make more sense,
Speaker 1: but I disagree with long Island. Like I don't see
Speaker 1: Chimaya of laying on Strickland for twenty five minutes. I
Speaker 1: can see him laying on on on Imovov for twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes. I don't see it that way.
Speaker 5: Because you think Strickland would put up too much of
Speaker 5: a resistance like he would not be or do you
Speaker 5: think he would fight a different fight?
Speaker 1: I think he was. What I think is could I
Speaker 1: see a world where he is largely controlled through that
Speaker 1: so that you know he doesn't get enough offense for
Speaker 1: it to really even matter. Sure, but like flat on
Speaker 1: his back, like you saw his DVP. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't buy that. Whereas Imovov Mavov has been
Speaker 1: taken down a lot, has been held down a lot
Speaker 1: like yeah, I don't buy that at all. Let's put
Speaker 1: up some of these. Let's put up you know what,
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this a little bit. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Strickland on On potentially facing im because remember Strickland's gotta
Speaker 1: win over imov right, what if Strickland has to fight
Speaker 1: him again for whatever? Here's the question. If if Hamzat's
Speaker 1: not ready, then what they might end up doing is
Speaker 1: a rematch between Strickland and Imovov for the interim title.
Speaker 1: Strickland kind of talks not so much about the interim
Speaker 1: title per se, but the rematch.
Speaker 5: There's a tweet, an interesting tweet that came out from
Speaker 5: your pal, mister nasadinam evolved.
Speaker 1: He says, my dream bring me the clown for the crown.
Speaker 7: Listen, dude, I've moved past you. You know you uh
Speaker 7: I beat you. Relax, Either you get the belt or
Speaker 7: I get the belt. Once you get the bell, take
Speaker 7: it from you. Once I get the belt, you loose
Speaker 7: to me.
Speaker 1: Not that interested in it fair enough. Yeah, but here
Speaker 1: is now Sean talking about training with Hamzad Sedd.
Speaker 6: He tapped you out. That's why you hate it, bro.
Speaker 7: I made him quit training witnesses in the audience, Where
Speaker 7: where's air again?
Speaker 3: I made him quit.
Speaker 7: We're doing positional grappling, all right, start on my back,
Speaker 7: and I was like, first round, I let him fucking
Speaker 7: choke me because it's like, like, no one gives a fuck.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you about this little bitch. I'll tell
Speaker 7: you when I walk into a gym. Do you think
Speaker 7: that I go find the little weakest man. I say,
Speaker 7: let's spar I say no, I go find the biggest,
Speaker 7: baddest motherfucker. I'm like, hey, I want to spar you.
Speaker 7: Every time Chamaia would walk in the gym, he would
Speaker 7: pick the smallest, lowest level pro and say, but oh
Speaker 7: he he, he looks like my opponent. You're beating the
Speaker 7: fuck out of it. And this is a true story.
Speaker 7: You guys could back me up my team. Chamaiav's a
Speaker 7: fucking bully and if you notice what he does in
Speaker 7: the division, he just runs and fucking hides. Oh now
Speaker 7: I want to go to two oh five and fight
Speaker 7: fucking year. Here's not even the fucking champ. Dude, you
Speaker 7: just run and fucking hide. You did it when you
Speaker 7: train with us, and you're doing the fucking division now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, but that's a lot
Speaker 1: more interesting, yeah than the pitch for Nessardini movel what
Speaker 1: I mean, It's well, yeah, inherently far more interesting to me.
Speaker 1: And this, of course is Chimaia's response, Habibi, calm down.
Speaker 1: I destroyed the guy who beat you twice, American bitch,
Speaker 1: which is also true. He also he also was way
Speaker 1: better than the guy that sewn Shirkland went ten rounds
Speaker 1: with and could not defeat. I don't know, like this is.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do, Chuck.
Speaker 1: This is why, this is this is my problem, Chruck.
Speaker 1: This this is why when in a lesser situation, when
Speaker 1: you have a chance to give a title shot to
Speaker 1: a guy, you should do it, because here you have
Speaker 1: a situation where a guy is very deserving of it,
Speaker 1: but the guy who's not as deserving of it is
Speaker 1: such an obviously better choice for the fight. But now
Speaker 1: it just doubles down on the mistakes they've been making
Speaker 1: in other divisions to give guys title shots that they
Speaker 1: didn't deserve. So it feels like a little bit of
Speaker 1: continuity there in the end. But you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think the fans will care. I really don't know.
Speaker 5: I understand of the three that we're talking about, Shamia,
Speaker 5: Beam of Bov and Strickland, which one do you think
Speaker 5: that the UFC is like we most want to be
Speaker 5: in business with, you know.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying, because you get Strickland.
Speaker 5: He moves the needle, but it's like it comes with
Speaker 5: such a such a bag of asterisks, right, like you're like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, this guy like he does all these
Speaker 5: things we have hums out, which I think is like
Speaker 5: he carries that mystique that weird what if. But also
Speaker 5: he's he doesn't fight often, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like it's just it feels like it's kind of he
Speaker 5: dies on the vine a little bit by the time
Speaker 5: that goes by and then they move off. Who's just
Speaker 5: really has the you know, he has been very good,
Speaker 5: like that Israel out of son. Youa fight when he
Speaker 5: knocked him ot with the right hand or he hit
Speaker 5: him with that right hand should have delivered him. Then
Speaker 5: man he's had some good fights, but he doesn't really
Speaker 5: move the needle in that way, right, and they're they're
Speaker 5: kind of trying to move away like that's what Otherwise
Speaker 5: Armin Serukin would have had the shot. But like in
Speaker 5: your mind, what's the like it? So out of that three,
Speaker 5: they want to be with Shamaia, right, they want him
Speaker 5: to retain no matter what.
Speaker 1: Probably, but I mean do there's there's a problem each
Speaker 1: way you look here, it's a problem for the UFC
Speaker 1: and also an opportunity, but a problem. So as you
Speaker 1: unicated Strickland, who is American certainly, you know, I think
Speaker 1: among the audience of edge Lord dogs that using the
Speaker 1: last yeah, six or seven years, he certainly is. You know,
Speaker 1: I think they love him. So there's obviously attraction to
Speaker 1: the fan base. As you mentioned rivalry with Shamaiev. You know,
Speaker 1: I think stands a better chance, not not a great chance,
Speaker 1: but a better chance certainly than I Mavov. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's baggage, let's put it that way. Then with the
Speaker 1: Mavov doesn't move the needle at all, would be important
Speaker 1: for the French market, but I don't know exactly how
Speaker 1: important that is in the broader scope of things. And
Speaker 1: then Shamaia Chamaiev has got this electricity around him dot
Speaker 1: dot dot when he's around, right, I mean, when is
Speaker 1: that gonna be? You know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: just a really, really difficult situate. And Strickland is largely
Speaker 1: reliable in that way too, in the sense of, you know,
Speaker 1: being ready to go compete. You know, I guess now
Speaker 1: I'll you less of that, But historically anyway, he's been
Speaker 1: pretty good about Like.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say that Shamaav would be the guy
Speaker 5: to out heal him American bitch. The American part of
Speaker 5: that is hilarious, right, like American bitch. But it's like
Speaker 5: he's not he's not afraid to play the heel. But
Speaker 5: you know, it's funny because Strickland we in a in
Speaker 5: a strict sense of like looking at it, you'd be like, well,
Speaker 5: he's a pretty good heel himself in terms of like
Speaker 5: just but did you hear them chanting like his name
Speaker 5: in Houston man, I'm in like every time he actually
Speaker 5: gets in there. Remember this happened with Izzieta Sonny too,
Speaker 5: where like all of a suddenly.
Speaker 6: The crowd's rooting for him. It's a confusing situation.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: So if anybody's gonna turn him into a like a
Speaker 5: baby face, it might be Shamayah.
Speaker 1: Samaiah would absolutely yeah, especially if you went the you
Speaker 1: know again, not he's not gonna be like the iron chic.
Speaker 1: But if you went like a right anti immigrant I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry anti yeah American, the scene, man, it could
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Speaker 1: Audio limited time offer. I didn't mention this, Chuck. This
Speaker 1: is what I was forgetting at the top of the show.
Speaker 1: I meant to mention it. We are going to be
Speaker 1: in studio next week, if my memory serves yes, finally,
Speaker 1: finally gonna be back in the studio. So long Island,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be me, Chuck and Jed, Is that right correct?
Speaker 3: Pregame preview is beautiful altogether let's go finally.
Speaker 1: Man, I gotta tell you it's been it's been nice
Speaker 1: to not be on Amtrak as much. And I gotta
Speaker 1: say I've also the winter here was terrible, but it
Speaker 1: was even worse in New York. I'm glad that I
Speaker 1: missed the worst of it, but it'll be It'll be
Speaker 1: nice to get back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a minute, But the Acela train, I
Speaker 5: think they fixed all the problems.
Speaker 6: Man, You're gonna be pleasantly surprised when you know, I.
Speaker 1: Think I think you'll be surprised. I think there Amtrak
Speaker 1: is doing this bit where they're rolling out all these
Speaker 1: new trains.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I love that, mercilessly go at them on
Speaker 5: social media.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 1: Let me just say that I have sources, and this
Speaker 1: is I'm not exaggerating. I have sources within the rail industry,
Speaker 1: let's call it. And by chuck, I don't mean pornography,
Speaker 1: all right, the actual yes, Oh fuck off off, My
Speaker 1: joke is good to dad, Get that ready. What I
Speaker 1: was gonna say is they tell me my sources that
Speaker 1: the new trains break down constantly, perhaps as much or
Speaker 1: even more than the fleet of trains that they were replacing. Now,
Speaker 1: the one big benefit is that your electrical outlet you
Speaker 1: don't have to reach across the person next to you
Speaker 1: to plug it in. Each seat has one Okay, that's
Speaker 1: an upgrade, But the seat itself, the back of the seat,
Speaker 1: it doesn't recline. The bottom of the seat just slides forward,
Speaker 1: so you'll sit like this, and then the recline is
Speaker 1: just putting your butt forward and now your chin is
Speaker 1: all Like, I was, like, whose idea was it to
Speaker 1: not recline seats? What the fuck? They reclined seats on
Speaker 1: on Spirit airlines and they don't reply seats.
Speaker 6: That's bad when you're making that comparison, you know.
Speaker 1: Fuck track. How about all right, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: rest of topic number three of that UFC Fight Night
Speaker 1: strictly Hernandez main card. We will get to the prelim card.
Speaker 1: I assure you, however, the main card did. To me,
Speaker 1: the previm card was dreadful. Beyond words, the main card
Speaker 1: to me, certainly, the main event delivered, and there were
Speaker 1: some other great highlights along the way. I in general
Speaker 1: did not have much of a problem with the main card.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Like I said, in general, delivered. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the interesting parts about this.
Speaker 1: So my question to you, Chuck, in this co main event,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about the career of
Speaker 1: Jeff Neil. He gave a tough fight to Rochmanov, he
Speaker 1: gave a tough fight to Gary. He's given guys a
Speaker 1: lot of tough fights, even in situations where he's lost.
Speaker 1: And he's been a dynamic puncher certainly through the majority
Speaker 1: of his career. But now we're talking about back to back,
Speaker 1: not just losses, not just stoppage losses, vicious ko losses.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think we've got this one where he
Speaker 1: got the literal snot knocked out of him, just a
Speaker 1: terrible look. You gotta feel bad for the guy. But
Speaker 1: you know, while a nice win for Meticch, certainly he
Speaker 1: did what Metitch always does. My question is is this
Speaker 1: the end of the line for Jeff Neil? What do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I think it might be in the sense
Speaker 5: like too, this was a guy who you know, he
Speaker 5: was working as a as a waiter up and I
Speaker 5: don't know if he was still doing it. I mean,
Speaker 5: he was doing it for the big portion of his career,
Speaker 5: like he just didn't give it up in the Dallas
Speaker 5: area there, and you know, you'd talk to him and
Speaker 5: I felt like he you know, he would admit like
Speaker 5: at some point like I'm probably not taking the fighting
Speaker 5: as seriously as I should have. I'm probably you know,
Speaker 5: partying a little too much. And I know he went
Speaker 5: public with this, So it really came down to, like
Speaker 5: when he starts losing because he'd lost a couple of fights.
Speaker 5: They weren't they weren't vicious knockouts, but like a couple
Speaker 5: of fights he had a nice victory I think against RDA,
Speaker 5: but then that knockout that you're mentioning, and then followed
Speaker 5: by this, you kind of run out of those, you know,
Speaker 5: those kind of excuses, I think.
Speaker 6: But it's also the shot that floored him.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Like sometimes you see a guy get knocked out and
Speaker 5: it's like you, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 5: They look so vicious, their brain is just shutting down
Speaker 5: at the first, you know, the first feel of that,
Speaker 5: And I just at some point, man.
Speaker 6: You you do want you do worry about a guy
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 5: I and I think that we've seen kind of I
Speaker 5: don't I don't you tell me too like I there
Speaker 5: was a moment maybe a few years ago where I
Speaker 5: was like, well, maybe Jeff new can be a player
Speaker 5: in this division, but I'm not sure what his I'm
Speaker 5: not sure. I think he's perfectly kind of situated in
Speaker 5: the just below the top ten or like maybe from
Speaker 5: eight to whatever, somewhere in that range, like in that division,
Speaker 5: but like, he never he never struck me as a
Speaker 5: guy who's going to be a title holder, And so
Speaker 5: it was it's just hard, man, because you see a
Speaker 5: guy like that. I remember talking to him a bunch
Speaker 5: of times early on in his career after that Camacho fight,
Speaker 5: especially where he had kicked him, and just thinking like, a.
Speaker 6: What a fun fighter.
Speaker 5: But when you see guys getting knocked out like that,
Speaker 5: it's tough, dude, It is tough. That was a bad one,
Speaker 5: and we had a couple of them on this card,
Speaker 5: but that one was tough to watch.
Speaker 1: And it was a nice punch from Metich for sure,
Speaker 1: but it didn't seem like the kind that would have
Speaker 1: that reaction.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess yeah, see, he seemed almost a
Speaker 5: pro like he was like, oh wow, that was it, huh.
Speaker 1: I don't think the power was super crazy, but the
Speaker 1: power was certainly sufficient, obviously. Yeah, it was a lot location.
Speaker 1: It was right in the side of that Yeah, like
Speaker 1: kind of not quite in the temple, but it's a
Speaker 1: little bit on that sort of softer edge right here.
Speaker 1: He kind of hit him right there, and that was
Speaker 1: enough to close the show. Thirty five, by the way,
Speaker 1: will be thirty six in August.
Speaker 5: Right, you remember, you remember when I forget what UFC
Speaker 5: it was, but it was like the one where Franklin
Speaker 5: and Laddell, Ladell's last UFC fight, he breaks his he
Speaker 5: breaks his left hand. I think it was right because
Speaker 5: he was a south paw and at the end of
Speaker 5: that round he kind of hits him with the right hand,
Speaker 5: and the way Laddell goes out, it's just like his
Speaker 5: brain was like, Nope, I'm not dealing with anymore of this.
Speaker 5: That's kind of what it reminded me of. And I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that he's like been He's definitely not been
Speaker 5: to the amount of wars as Laddell, but that's what
Speaker 5: it reminded me of. It's just like the kind of
Speaker 5: punchry you're like, whow, that probably shouldn't have knocked him out,
Speaker 5: you know, it was.
Speaker 1: Like he got remember that scene in the Matrix were
Speaker 1: switching apoc get unplugged. Yes, and they're like not like this,
Speaker 1: Yes exactly they almost It's kind of kind of like
Speaker 1: that nice win by eerrosh Metich. Certainly he earned himself
Speaker 1: a big opportunity, great win. He did what he was
Speaker 1: supposed to do. I just wonder about what's next, what's
Speaker 1: left for Jeff Neil we got.
Speaker 5: Mentioned by the way, Like, isn't that like all his
Speaker 5: victories have been by tk or Ko, like all of
Speaker 5: his I think all eight of his victory It's crazy, man.
Speaker 1: The dude's well, he will live or he will die.
Speaker 1: On that sort, he admits that uh Melki costa dude.
Speaker 1: This guy had a tremendous twenty twenty five and becomes
Speaker 1: now the first guy to I think, certainly in the
Speaker 1: UFC anyway to stop Dan Egay with strikes in his
Speaker 1: biggest win to date. What exactly his spinning backkick right
Speaker 1: to the sort of jaw slashed face, ma exactly sure
Speaker 1: how far I got up his face, but just tremendous
Speaker 1: and again dealing with pressure really well, chuck your reaction
Speaker 1: to this phenomenal run that Melki Costa appears to be.
Speaker 5: On Well we were talking about I don't know his age,
Speaker 5: he's how old is he? Like, he's not like, he's
Speaker 5: not a super like, he's he's another one of these
Speaker 5: guys who's coming he's young. Yeah, he's young. So it's
Speaker 5: like he's another ones guy's coming up. And this is
Speaker 5: one of the instances where the young guy gets by
Speaker 5: the litmus test of a guy who's kind of a
Speaker 5: veteran who's yeah, so he got that's this is what
Speaker 5: you kind of want to see, right, Like you get
Speaker 5: a surging prospect or however you want to say, a
Speaker 5: blue chip guy who's coming up and you know he
Speaker 5: should maybe be able to make a run at it.
Speaker 5: He gets a guy like Danny Gay and he does
Speaker 5: what he's supposed to do. That that was a beautiful
Speaker 5: that that kick was beautiful, man, And I you know,
Speaker 5: it's like it's one of those performances that you what
Speaker 5: is it that you kind of establish yourself right that
Speaker 5: you belong in the conversation. Because Danny Gay has stayed
Speaker 5: up there for a long time. A big portion of
Speaker 5: his career, he was still hovering in that top ten space.
Speaker 5: So I feel like it's that it's that moment, and
Speaker 5: he shined in it, you know, in the biggest possible way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought he looked absolutely tremendous, throwing a lot
Speaker 1: of kicks and then switching it up the way he
Speaker 1: did against a guy like Danny Gay, who again I
Speaker 1: said it was up. I wasn't sure if it was
Speaker 1: first uh in the UFC or not first ever, first
Speaker 1: person in general, and whether it was crazy Ko or
Speaker 1: submission to stop him. And that guy has fought you
Speaker 1: know who who of fighters. Really really incredible work by
Speaker 1: Milchi Costa. You gotta love the trajectory he's been on,
Speaker 1: and I think now he'll be a ranked fighter going
Speaker 1: forward after this, Chuck, what can you say about Jacobe
Speaker 1: Smith gets taken down and then uses what can only
Speaker 1: be described as just great timing, yes, but insane athleticism,
Speaker 1: and then drills Josiah Harrell into the freaking matt This
Speaker 1: is what I mean. I want guys who can do exciting,
Speaker 1: interesting shit, and Jacoby Smith appears to be very much
Speaker 1: one of them. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, we were pointing out like all week basically that
Speaker 5: Kobe Smith is one of those guys you keep your
Speaker 5: eye on because he's he's got that pedigree, you know,
Speaker 5: the Oklahoma state thing. Trained like obviously like he's one
Speaker 5: of DC's guys, but he's just got like some there's
Speaker 5: something about him when you watch him, like, this guy's
Speaker 5: really explosive and so far he's been able to do that.
Speaker 6: Who's his last fight was that Nico Price? What was
Speaker 6: the because he was a huge favorite.
Speaker 5: He was a huge favorite in his last fight, and
Speaker 5: he kind of had to put up with a little
Speaker 5: adversity through that fight. But then he's when he settled in,
Speaker 5: it was like boom, he did the same thing.
Speaker 6: I think he's.
Speaker 5: Definitely one of those guys that we've seen enough tape
Speaker 5: on him now where you can kind of you know,
Speaker 5: he can handle the expectations a little bit, like which
Speaker 5: is always something you got to watch. He can he
Speaker 5: you know, the Vegas odds makers want to like make
Speaker 5: him a big favorite. He can handle that a little bit.
Speaker 5: So I feel like he's kind of not primed for
Speaker 5: whatever his next fight is going to be to h
Speaker 5: to really kind of take off, like he's definitely on there.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: That knockout was insane. But what did you think about
Speaker 6: the stoppage on this.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, the Stoppers. It was pretty bad, right. I mean, guys,
Speaker 1: a welcome to Texas where everything is bigger than Texas.
Speaker 5: True, we used to have this conversation like all the
Speaker 5: time when they're in Texas, right, like all the time.
Speaker 1: Gohe people don't understand there. There's guys that used to
Speaker 1: be in rotation that are still in rotation on like
Speaker 1: regional shows, but UFC has been like just absolutely fucking not.
Speaker 1: Steve Malsagatti was one of them. But another guy you
Speaker 1: might not know who used to be a main fixture
Speaker 1: in Texas you'll still see him on occasion, John Shorley.
Speaker 1: John Shorley is one of the worst ones I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: just absolutely horrendous. Carrie Hatley's not as bad as those guys,
Speaker 1: but he's not great. Carrie Hatley does this real half.
Speaker 1: I mean, guys, You've got Jacoby Smith in the middle
Speaker 1: of a fist fight, hammer fisting an opponent right there,
Speaker 1: and Carrie Hatley just kind of lightly puts his arm
Speaker 1: in to stop, and it's like, yes, should Jacoby Smith
Speaker 1: have stopped? That's true. However, your job is to make
Speaker 1: him stop. And this is why you actually have to
Speaker 1: be a little bit physically fit and be able to
Speaker 1: move and you know, not just understand the rules and timing,
Speaker 1: but you got to be a little bit physically spry
Speaker 1: to do it because remember in boxing, you got to
Speaker 1: be you know, with it as well. But you're everyone's
Speaker 1: still standing, so it's a little bit easier to use
Speaker 1: your legs to you know, get into places and put
Speaker 1: your hands in and whatnot. But on the ground you
Speaker 1: have to kind of get in there, right. He does
Speaker 1: a really half ast job of getting in there, so
Speaker 1: Smith just kind of keeps going, so then you know,
Speaker 1: Hatley has to push him off. It was reminiscent of
Speaker 1: a guy he died, Chuck. It was a UFC fighter
Speaker 1: back in the early I want to say UFC twenty ish.
Speaker 1: His name was something like Brian Johnson or Brian Johnston.
Speaker 1: Where Big John McCarthy overcorrected on a stoppage. You guys
Speaker 1: may not know this. Big John went like diving in
Speaker 1: on a stop I remember this, yeah, and broke Brian
Speaker 1: again I can't remember his name, broke his nose and
Speaker 1: was so by the time that guy gets up, there's
Speaker 1: blood spewing everywhere off his face. He was actually bitter
Speaker 1: at big John for doing that. Yeah, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll take that over just a guy with brain surgery
Speaker 1: getting driven problem too.
Speaker 5: Man, there's the aesthetic. They're showing this whole like package
Speaker 5: of like this guy overcame this. They're showing the scar
Speaker 5: on his head, you know, when his head was shaved,
Speaker 5: and you're looking at this and you're like, oh, man,
Speaker 5: you know there's something about trauma to a brain that's
Speaker 5: already had like a problem, right, and then like you
Speaker 5: see that he is out. And I would say that
Speaker 5: five of those shots at least came after he was
Speaker 5: out or it looked like he was definitely out. That's
Speaker 5: a tough aesthetic. But yes, you're right, man, Harley comes
Speaker 5: in there, he just I mean you could see that Smith. Now,
Speaker 5: I saw people actually getting mad at Smith for not
Speaker 5: heating when he felt the referee coming. He still delivered
Speaker 5: another shot, but it was so you're right, he came
Speaker 5: in there so passively, and you're you're in that moment.
Speaker 6: It's hard to blame the fighter. You know you're supposed
Speaker 6: to do that.
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, you know, Texas baby Texas. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say about this. So most of the on
Speaker 1: are not most. Let's say, a decent portion of the
Speaker 1: online chatter about Sergis Bivoc versus Antie Delia was pretty positive.
Speaker 1: Can I just be honest, I didn't. I wasn't super
Speaker 1: opprested of this fight. I didn't really where were you
Speaker 1: on this one? No, I was with you the same.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe it was a little bit because we've been
Speaker 5: talking about heavyweights and it was like, oh, here we
Speaker 5: go again, a heavyweight card right in the in the
Speaker 5: middle of a of a you know, of a of
Speaker 5: a card where it's not at the apex, right, and
Speaker 5: by the standards of what we've watched so far this year,
Speaker 5: this was a great fight.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: It was like these guys actually were competitive and neither
Speaker 5: one was like gassing out to the point where they
Speaker 5: couldn't throw a punch at the end. But it was
Speaker 5: just a mediocre fight, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 5: wasn't there was nothing really uh, there was nothing about
Speaker 5: it that really like, you know, there was no moment
Speaker 5: where you're like, oh my god, this guy came back
Speaker 5: from that or anything like that. It was it was
Speaker 5: just it was just a typical lightweight fight. But I
Speaker 5: think I mean lightweight heavyweight fight. But I think that
Speaker 5: somehow maybe we've moved the uh, the expectation line a
Speaker 5: little bit on this because I did see the same
Speaker 5: thing I saw people. Maybe it's people who are trying
Speaker 5: to overcorrect us for saying that they should just shudder
Speaker 5: the damn thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean seriously, I heard a lot about that. Like everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 5: these guys wanted to uh to close down the heavyweight division,
Speaker 5: and so suddenly you get a fight. There's at least
Speaker 5: a little competitive right, Like I feel like people are
Speaker 5: just going over.
Speaker 1: You heard people bitter at us for a suggestions.
Speaker 6: I did, Yes, Yes, I heard a couple.
Speaker 5: Of people, but like you don't have to say names,
Speaker 5: but like, I mean, just like you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 5: go so far as the like what you guys were
Speaker 5: talking about, you know, that sort of thing like where
Speaker 5: you shut it up and you just kind of offering.
Speaker 5: So it was all kind of in good conversation. It
Speaker 5: wasn't like they were calling us idiots. But you know,
Speaker 5: we took it. I felt like we took it to
Speaker 5: its natural extreme, which is sort of like why did
Speaker 5: was anybody want to watch this?
Speaker 6: You know? Why would you want to watch this?
Speaker 1: First of all, we didn't actually say the division should
Speaker 1: be eliminated. We're going to say, what's the point of
Speaker 1: keeping it around if you're not going to institute fixes
Speaker 1: to it? Yes, it's a very different claim. Then I
Speaker 1: don't care if there are fixes. We're done. That's a
Speaker 1: completely truth point, you know, to to to go to,
Speaker 1: all right. But the other part is Long Island. Luke,
Speaker 1: where were you on this fight? Because I think your
Speaker 1: pulse is probably going to be closer to maybe what
Speaker 1: I saw online. You like this fight?
Speaker 3: No, I fucking hated it, But I had reasons that
Speaker 3: I hated it, and you know they're betting related. But
Speaker 3: you know, I had the fight to not go the distance,
Speaker 3: and I could just tell, like the minute it started,
Speaker 3: I was like, this fight fifteen minutes and the heavyweight
Speaker 3: overs are back. All right, guys, you know, no longer
Speaker 3: bet fight does not go to the distance. Always bet
Speaker 3: the over on a heavyweight fight.
Speaker 6: Heavyweight this year, this year, man, that was a thing.
Speaker 3: A few years ago, shout out Jed Misheu. He coined
Speaker 3: it like heavyweight overs. It was like every heavyweight fight
Speaker 3: was going at least over one and a half, over
Speaker 3: two and a half, and then it kind of they're
Speaker 3: all get finishes. I feel like heavyweight overs are back.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just feel like people are starved for
Speaker 1: any kind of decent heavyweight action. And that's what I think.
Speaker 1: It was. Not crap. I'm not like looking at this
Speaker 1: fight being like, oh it was some kind of disaster.
Speaker 1: It was not a disaster or any like that. But like,
Speaker 1: did I think it was a good fight. No, I
Speaker 1: did not think it was a good fight.
Speaker 5: And I mean, you know, good for speedback, Like you
Speaker 5: get a guy like that, he's been he's kind of
Speaker 5: been a woodwork guy, like in the terms of like
Speaker 5: he's not really and he's just been in the heavyweight division.
Speaker 6: He's fought a lot of guys.
Speaker 5: But you know he's mentioning like his father passing with
Speaker 5: that kind of motivation, and you feel good for a
Speaker 5: guy like that who needed the victory and for morale
Speaker 5: and all that.
Speaker 6: But in terms of a fight, it was just a fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'll just say this. I also don't have
Speaker 1: much to say about the Michelle Pueda Zachary's fight.
Speaker 6: It was perhaps the less set about it, the better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a fight, all right, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: Preliminary car Jesus Christ, this one was not that great.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, main event totally delivered a largely delivered anyway,
Speaker 1: main card largely delivered some real bright spots. Molchy Costa
Speaker 1: looked great, or Metics looked great. Jacoby Smith, you know,
Speaker 1: look great, like a bunch of these guys looked amazing. No,
Speaker 1: no no harm, no foul. But that prelim card was
Speaker 1: absolutely atrocious. And here's it. I want to give you
Speaker 1: the floor on this, Chuck, because we kind of discussed
Speaker 1: this ahead of time. Now you got to be careful
Speaker 1: because if you see online chatter, particularly on Twitter, that's
Speaker 1: just not real life. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are overly positive about the UFC in a weird way.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who are overly negative about
Speaker 1: the UFC in a way that just doesn't match what
Speaker 1: the broader reality speaks to. But if you can say
Speaker 1: anything about the online chatter was that it was pretty
Speaker 1: universally negative, including a lot of fans that I know
Speaker 1: who are very very pro UFC. Even they were likeugh,
Speaker 1: this was not that much. What was your read on
Speaker 1: why that preliminary card felt Because on paper, I did
Speaker 1: feel like it had potential. I do feel that way
Speaker 1: just just didn't materialize. Why oh man.
Speaker 5: Part of it is, you know, John Anick was on
Speaker 5: like he was on some podcasts a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 5: and he basically said, like, one of the fixes the
Speaker 5: UC could do is just reducing the amount of fights
Speaker 5: of car on cards and getting it back to more
Speaker 5: in that ten eleven range that we were used to
Speaker 5: back in the day. This particular card had fourteen fights.
Speaker 5: There were eight on the prelims, right, and that's a lot.
Speaker 5: It feels like a marathon when you start to like
Speaker 5: Long Island just pointed out that heavyweight fight where you
Speaker 5: see the first minute you kind of know it's going
Speaker 5: the distance. There was way too much of that, man,
Speaker 5: There was way too much of like you start a fight,
Speaker 5: you can see the process of almost nullification facing off
Speaker 5: with each other, and at that point you start to
Speaker 5: be like, this is going the distance. My problem with
Speaker 5: it is I kept having this thing where I'm like,
Speaker 5: you're watching the fight, you mean to kind of be,
Speaker 5: you know, involved, and see what you know, who's doing
Speaker 5: what here? And I would just daydream and pretty soon
Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, I don't even know who won tho
Speaker 5: last two rounds. I just don't even know. And that's
Speaker 5: this is a problem, Like you should like it should
Speaker 5: feel more compelling. That didn't help that Houston looked like
Speaker 5: a very late arriving crowd out there. I don't know
Speaker 5: if you notice that, but like it the building was
Speaker 5: dead too. It was just it felt very I don't know,
Speaker 5: it felt very like rehearsals or something, and through big
Speaker 5: portions of that. But I when you have that many fights, man,
Speaker 5: and like the parody of today's fighters and like everything
Speaker 5: that's going on, man.
Speaker 6: It was just it just doesn't hold attention, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like it was just one of those things you're like,
Speaker 5: there's also this thing, dude, like you see, like if
Speaker 5: you had an annoying friend, like you'd always see him
Speaker 5: or whatever, and he starts to tell you whatever, and
Speaker 5: at some point you're like, you know, man, I'm always
Speaker 5: at the bar and I'm always talking to this guy,
Speaker 5: and I'm just sick of it because why do I
Speaker 5: want to be Why do I want this in my life?
Speaker 5: Like you get that feeling sometimes you're watching like Oday
Speaker 5: Osborne or something, and you're like, I don't why can
Speaker 5: I keep seeing.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not trying to.
Speaker 5: Throw him under the bus specifically, but he's been in
Speaker 5: a lot of these fights, and You're like, why do
Speaker 5: I keep having to watch this? You know where you're
Speaker 5: like watching guys that they just aren't like moving, you know,
Speaker 5: they're not moving anywhere, but they're just perpetually on a prelim,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's just I don't know.
Speaker 5: There was a lot going on there, but it wasn't
Speaker 5: holding my attention too well.
Speaker 1: This is where I come down to. Were there some
Speaker 1: strong performers on this premium card. Sure, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: them just a second, but I had It was so
Speaker 1: funny when you said this on the pre show because
Speaker 1: the exact response I have would I'd be watching the
Speaker 1: fights door closed to my office. There's no one in
Speaker 1: the room. I'm not being distracted. I mean, my daughter
Speaker 1: came in a couple times in different moments, but in general, yeah,
Speaker 1: utterly unimpeded to watch. And then I'd just be kind
Speaker 1: of looking at the screen and then before i know it,
Speaker 1: it's like two thirty five in the round and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: what the fuck happened in the last minute? Two and
Speaker 1: a half minutes. Huh, And I caught myself doing this
Speaker 1: over and over again. Now, part of it was the
Speaker 1: fights were well matched in a lot of cases. So
Speaker 1: for example, like putting Helle Sorano versus rom Is blocking mind,
Speaker 1: those are not bad fighters and they give a I
Speaker 1: think they gave what they had, but the way it
Speaker 1: just kind of worked out couldn't sor Riano didn't have
Speaker 1: to get the win, obviously, but it just couldn't get
Speaker 1: enough going to really be you know, memorable, I think,
Speaker 1: is the way I would put it. It just felt like
Speaker 1: a lot of white noise. You know.
Speaker 5: I don't know how I mean, it's just things that
Speaker 5: you drift off on like that, or it's just you
Speaker 5: got to look at it from UFC standpoint. I think
Speaker 5: that that's what they hated about old boxing model, right,
Speaker 5: like they just didn't want to have too much. But
Speaker 5: boxing a lot of times will on it's undercards, will
Speaker 5: basically stack it up with mismatches so that you see knockouts,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? These days, I don't know
Speaker 5: if it's just because if it's matchmaking, or if it's
Speaker 5: just that you've reached a spot where a lot of
Speaker 5: people have similar skill sets, so they kind of offset
Speaker 5: each other. You get this, Seven of the eight fights
Speaker 5: go the distance, and none of them were really compelling,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: All right, there there were a couple of bright spots.
Speaker 1: I thought on the premium card, the biggest one to
Speaker 1: me would be Joscelyn L. Edwards defeating your Cornole. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I pronounce her name, Please forgive me.
Speaker 6: I think it's Cornoll, Yeah, Cornoll Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, and she obviously Matt returns her what
Speaker 1: you can see in the above picture. It injures her
Speaker 1: and then she gets the the choke. I will say
Speaker 1: this to you, Chuck. When she first got to the UFC,
Speaker 1: so she's been in the UFC for a little while now.
Speaker 1: She got there all the way back in Wow twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. She fought Janaan Wu and then Carol Hosa
Speaker 1: and then Jessica Rose Clark. She lost two of the
Speaker 1: three of those, and I thought, wow, she looked really terrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought they were just trying to sign fighters from
Speaker 1: you know, Latin American territories to fill out their roster.
Speaker 1: But dude, she is on a four fight win streak.
Speaker 1: She did listen to Eileen Petz back in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Since then, she's beating Tamirez Vidal, Chelsea Chandler, Priscilla Ketchuarra,
Speaker 1: which was a pretty good one. She fished her off,
Speaker 1: and then Nora Cornoll as you mentioned all of those
Speaker 1: wins via stoppage. She actually is thirty years old. Now, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: she's she was.
Speaker 6: She was impressive.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think she was the only one of
Speaker 5: this new like era, of the twenty five thousand dollars
Speaker 5: finish that actually got paid on the premium, so by
Speaker 5: default she's going to do that.
Speaker 6: But de man, that slam? How cool was that?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 6: I thought the fight was over off of that.
Speaker 5: She obviously got the choke a little, you know a
Speaker 5: few seconds later, But I agree with you, man, and
Speaker 5: she this was like this was a rematch too, right,
Speaker 5: because she was avenging her one of her losses. So
Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, she's definitely one. Was thirty years
Speaker 5: old sometimes and from Panama, I'm not sure. Off the
Speaker 5: top of my head, can you think of who's come
Speaker 5: from Panama? Like I can't even think of a single
Speaker 5: UFC fighter right this second.
Speaker 1: Well, how about Roberto Duran? Motherfucker? Well, yeah, yeah, Monos
Speaker 1: depa draw. That's right what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well in the UFC, But I mean that's that's
Speaker 5: kind of a boon, Like I like that when you've
Speaker 5: got a new representative and she's flourishing. So she was
Speaker 5: one of the lone bright spots for sure on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, she lost to Nora back
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Look at the change. Yeah, exchange,
Speaker 1: pretty pretty dramatic. You got to be impressed by that.
Speaker 1: I also got to give Long Island credit. I didn't
Speaker 1: watch Ultimate Fighter, so I wasn't super familiar with her game.
Speaker 1: But Carly Judas Judais, however you say her name, Dude,
Speaker 1: she didn't get the finish against Giuliano Miller. But I
Speaker 1: didn't hate this fight at all because her striking. She's
Speaker 1: got Long Island come back. She's got a few things
Speaker 1: to and to me, she motions too much rather than
Speaker 1: thinking about what she needs to do in a more
Speaker 1: slightly reduced way. But dude, her striking looks legit. I
Speaker 1: was super impressed by her.
Speaker 3: That was also her first win by decision. All of
Speaker 3: her wins had been by knockout before that, and she
Speaker 3: put it on Miller, and she also like looked pretty
Speaker 3: bad on the ground in that fight. A few times
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, Juliana Miller is going to
Speaker 3: finish her. That fight was way better than I thought
Speaker 3: it was going to be. I thought it was going
Speaker 3: to be a one sided Carle just piecing her up.
Speaker 3: Juliana actually made it interesting. But dude, the prelims just
Speaker 3: took a die. I rarely say this. I love doing
Speaker 3: my watch along.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, you're like a prelim fetishist.
Speaker 3: I literally chuck like five fights. I literally said, this
Speaker 3: is the worst card, like by far that I like,
Speaker 3: this is so boring. This is the worst card. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it was bad, but if you just watched the main card,
Speaker 3: it was actually like besides the Michelle car was actually
Speaker 3: Jordan Levitt.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yady ar del on my timeline. So
Speaker 1: he loses, Jordan Levitt wins, he spanks him, which by
Speaker 1: the way, Kutur did to Tito or Tiz at USC
Speaker 1: four four, and then everyone on my timeline was like,
Speaker 1: arrest Isaac and people were tagging the FBI and shit,
Speaker 1: because he looked terrible, not not Levit leve It looks fine.
Speaker 1: But uh, del Vae looked just out of this level.
Speaker 1: And uh, that's.
Speaker 5: An incriminate it is though, it's like it's just that
Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense, right.
Speaker 1: And then lastly Labos noo Yanni. Uh he got the
Speaker 1: winner for Phil Rowe. You know, it was the spirited
Speaker 1: back and forth, but it just one of these fights
Speaker 1: that just didn't capture your attention. Same thing with Alden Korea.
Speaker 1: He put in a good effort against Luis Gurule. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what it means, and then I'll be I
Speaker 1: don't have to say it. Idris or Idius against Odie
Speaker 1: Osbourne another one of these fights where it's like, what
Speaker 1: happened in that one? I saw it and I can't
Speaker 1: tell you. I know, I know, I know that Ideus
Speaker 1: got the takedown. Other than that, I'm not sure, you know.
Speaker 5: And it looked like just generally he was in control
Speaker 5: of that fight. But again, yeah it was I was
Speaker 5: the same way.
Speaker 1: In fairness, Carlos Leal tried to put it on Cheti
Speaker 1: Andji Kawani so Leal to me Leal and Edwards with
Speaker 1: the two bright spots sort only that card and Judaice
Speaker 1: looked good, but you know it was you know, you
Speaker 1: couldn't quitet with the hope. All right, that's that part
Speaker 1: of the card. Let's talk about what happened in the
Speaker 1: squared circle, so to speak, so over on his own
Speaker 1: in the boxing ring. Well, we weren't sure what we
Speaker 1: were gonna get with Ryan Garcia, but we now we know.
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia returned to what could only be described as
Speaker 1: top form and then easily beat Mario Barrios via unanimous decision. Chuck,
Speaker 1: he dropped him in the first round. He never looked
Speaker 1: back from there. Look at some of these highlights here.
Speaker 1: This is the first round where he drops him just
Speaker 1: right there. This was less than thirty seconds into round
Speaker 1: number one. Look at the time on the ring, two
Speaker 1: thirty four, he's already down and up and it didn't
Speaker 1: get much better for Barrios from there, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, So with this win, Ryan Garcia finally becomes
Speaker 1: a world champion. What would you say this did for
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia's stock?
Speaker 6: Well, dude, we were like talking about is this do
Speaker 6: or die for him?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: So these are the stakes when you really think about
Speaker 5: it like that, You're like, you know, a loss here,
Speaker 5: and I think that he loses kind of the thread
Speaker 5: or with this vitality thing that we have with this
Speaker 5: guy of being that when you know, because he's compelled. Honestly,
Speaker 5: he's compelled the boxing audience to pay attention from the beginning,
Speaker 5: just going back to the amateurs, like just what he's
Speaker 5: been able to do if he loses this fight, it
Speaker 5: was that big, Like maybe he starts to slip off
Speaker 5: and I don't know if you come back. If you do,
Speaker 5: it's going to be a long time. But he's still
Speaker 5: a young guy. But you win this fight. And not
Speaker 5: just that, but like everybody's like, okay, wait a minute,
Speaker 5: he's realized his potential.
Speaker 6: Where'd that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 6: Personally, I was like where was that right hand? When
Speaker 6: during the role Romero fight.
Speaker 5: That I was sitting ringside, I was like, all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, he shows up with a with a you know,
Speaker 5: with the right hand to go home with a speed
Speaker 5: the speed factor looked like he was like double like
Speaker 5: you know, and fast forward against Brios. It looked like
Speaker 5: he just had every advantage possible and to kind of
Speaker 5: showcase other than putt him ay at some point in
Speaker 5: the fight, probably the best you can look, right, And
Speaker 5: if anything that this did, it showed people again, reminded
Speaker 5: people again the magnitude of what Ryan Garcia like at
Speaker 5: that level, because even when the Devin Hainey fight happened,
Speaker 5: right like, when that happened, it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: this guy. Obviously it took on a dark cloud in
Speaker 5: the aftermath and before, but the performance itself. Coming out
Speaker 5: of fight night, we were like, oh my god, this dude.
Speaker 5: And it was like he's such a he is such
Speaker 5: a star in that sense, people really compelled to pay
Speaker 5: attention to him. We were right back there, man, And
Speaker 5: now all of a sudden, you're set in the stage
Speaker 5: for like really big fights. That's a crazy like this
Speaker 5: was a crazy swing of fate. If he loses, he
Speaker 5: slips off. If he wins, he's got these huge fights
Speaker 5: coming up. Big time performance.
Speaker 1: Man. The scores were one eighteen one oh nine, one
Speaker 1: nineteen one eight, and then one twenty one oh seven,
Speaker 1: all for Ryan Garcia. I mean he won all of
Speaker 1: them on one judge of scorecard, all but one on one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, how did you have it? Did you have him
Speaker 6: winning all of them?
Speaker 1: I had him winning every single same same not have
Speaker 1: a single round from Mario Marios, And I thought it was. Frankly,
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous that some people did. Although I guess, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, it didn't really matter in the end, but
Speaker 1: that was dude. I'm so glad you brought this up
Speaker 1: because we were like, well, what's Mario's gonna do with
Speaker 1: a guy's got a good left hook. We'll see if
Speaker 1: he can solve that problem. Turned out that was not
Speaker 1: his problem. Turned out that was one problem that he
Speaker 1: had among many problems. And as you rightly indicated, Chuck,
Speaker 1: that right hand showed the stoppach. Sorry, stop it, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: The dropping one more time, if you can look, is
Speaker 1: right hand to the body, right hand over the top.
Speaker 1: It was the right hand all night, round three, rounds, ten,
Speaker 1: over and over again. You get these punctuated moments where
Speaker 1: Barrios just couldn't get anything going, and it was because
Speaker 1: Ryan finally had diversified offense. The left hook is famous
Speaker 1: we saw in the Devin Haney fight, but there was
Speaker 1: not much of a right hand to speak of in
Speaker 1: that contest. It was everywhere and virtually every round. Again,
Speaker 1: some moments more punctuated than other ones. And this is
Speaker 1: a testament to I think, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: funny Chuck, but it was a bit of a side story.
Speaker 1: He had left Joe Goosen and then Mario Barrios had
Speaker 1: gone to Joe Goosen, and so Joe Goosen a little
Speaker 1: bit here on the line, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: Goosen and Barrios were working on. I actually like Joe.
Speaker 1: I met him a few times. He's a real nice
Speaker 1: I think, pretty bright guy. But I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: didn't do the right things for Mario Barrios. I'm saying
Speaker 1: even if he did Chuck, it didn't land, it didn't take.
Speaker 1: Nothing took. They he survived in there. I mean, he
Speaker 1: wasn't getting dropped every round in that sense, but like
Speaker 1: Brios's offense, maybe got out of first gear a handful
Speaker 1: of times. And even that is staying it, saying it
Speaker 1: a little too nicely.
Speaker 6: This is my point.
Speaker 1: I want to say, did Ryan Garcia look really good, Chuck?
Speaker 1: Did he add new weapons? There's simply no denying. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, I do think part of the story
Speaker 1: is we talked about it. Ryan came in off getting
Speaker 1: dropped and loose to Roly Romero and got gifted a
Speaker 1: title shot he shouldn't have got it, and then on
Speaker 1: top of it, Barrios entered this contest off back to
Speaker 1: back draws, like no, man, The reality is like Garcia
Speaker 1: looked great and he's a world champion, but that has
Speaker 1: to be one of the easiest paths to a world
Speaker 1: title I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that that's factor. It's always it's always
Speaker 5: like this. But you know, the truth of the matter
Speaker 5: is we just didn't know. Like even the line reflected this.
Speaker 5: Garcia probably should he was like a minus two fifty.
Speaker 5: I'm sure a long on has the exact but he
Speaker 5: was something like that. He was it was if it
Speaker 5: was if everybody kind of knew this going in, it
Speaker 5: should have been like minus one thousand, right, that's the
Speaker 5: kind of fight it was. It just shows that when
Speaker 5: when a guy has dialed in, so it depends on
Speaker 5: which lens you want to look through it. But I'm like,
Speaker 5: I thought that Garcia had something to go in there
Speaker 5: and prove. I thought he proved that. But there was
Speaker 5: also this element of we saw that you saw the
Speaker 5: Mario Barrios when he's fighting a you know, Pakia forty
Speaker 5: seven year old Pacio and he's just not looking very
Speaker 5: good in that far either he didn't look great in
Speaker 5: a couple of his previous fights. So like when you
Speaker 5: look at all of that and you start to put
Speaker 5: together like, Okay, well Garcia was leaps and bounds about
Speaker 5: this guy. But there's sometimes where you just have to
Speaker 5: see it to fully understand that. I felt like that
Speaker 5: was this moment, so both guys. So Garcia's stock rises,
Speaker 5: but I also think that uh you know that that
Speaker 5: uh bars like his his stock plummets a little bit
Speaker 5: because now it looks and I want to say smoking mirrors,
Speaker 5: like dudes put themselves in those positions, but it definitely
Speaker 5: looks like he's maybe shouldn't be a should maybe shouldn't
Speaker 5: have been.
Speaker 6: A champion, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not maybe definitely.
Speaker 6: Do you think he's is he among?
Speaker 5: Like I know that people this was the like they
Speaker 5: always get this sort of thing where it's like that
Speaker 5: dude's the worst champion in history, you know that sort
Speaker 5: of thing, like how far do you go on this line.
Speaker 1: For Mario one of the least championship contender guys during
Speaker 1: my professional career? Yeah yeah, yeah, like I can't speak
Speaker 1: all time or anything like that, And there's definitely we
Speaker 1: should be clear, there's definitely been guys who are like
Speaker 1: interim or super or not even super in like a
Speaker 1: regular kind of way, like some sanctioning body bullshit ass title.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking like full weight class champ. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just don't know if I can recall one this easy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know not Yeah, definitely not an
Speaker 5: hour well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I guess an hour era.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you go back, there's always those dudes
Speaker 5: who are like the Tony Tuckers who held belts for
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like in times where you're like, whoa,
Speaker 5: how the hell did that guy end up with a
Speaker 5: belt during that time period and stuff like that. But yeah,
Speaker 5: but I mean it all works out. I just it's
Speaker 5: fun when it happens, because I think he was considered
Speaker 5: Ryan Garcia was considered one of the four horsemen of
Speaker 5: the of that you know, time and all that, and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden he's there finally, right like, I
Speaker 5: feel like he's inserted himself into that space.
Speaker 1: Brios look terrible. I just want to point out more fun. Now,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the road ahead. If we can here
Speaker 1: for just a second, chuck, So here are the list
Speaker 1: of current welter weight champions. And for folks, you mean,
Speaker 1: I know walter weight in boxing one forty seven. As
Speaker 1: you can see up there, you got Ryan Garcia, Roly Romero,
Speaker 1: Roley just beat Ryan, and then you've got Lewis Crocker,
Speaker 1: and then you've got Devin Haney. So keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: Now what I want to show is, uh, Ryan, you
Speaker 1: know what, Let's go through this a little bit. Ryan
Speaker 1: and Devin. Excuse me, Ryan says Devon. No wait, wait,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Sorry? Shaker and Haney suggest Ryan's on
Speaker 1: PD at this. So, by the way, I looked at
Speaker 1: the replies and Devin Haney's tweets in that particular tweet,
Speaker 1: Excuse me, dude, I mean unkind to Devon would be
Speaker 1: let me go back because I want to read it
Speaker 1: to the to the to the audio audience. But let
Speaker 1: me just say the reply. So Devin Haney tweets Ryan
Speaker 1: off that good juice, which, by the way, he's you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, is the truth, Chuck, But like,
Speaker 1: would I be the least bit surprised if Garcia was
Speaker 1: using again, Hello, the guy is a proven cheater? Uh?
Speaker 1: And then Shaker Stevenson retweets that and then writes our
Speaker 1: quote tweets it anyway, I said that in round one,
Speaker 1: but I just want to point this out. So there's that.
Speaker 1: Then there's the connor Ben tweet. Connor Ben puts this
Speaker 1: out and says, congratulations, Champ, see you later this year.
Speaker 1: Make sure you keep my belt warm. And of course
Speaker 1: a big signing that happened on Friday. We didn't really
Speaker 1: discuss it today because you know, we're sort of focusing
Speaker 1: on MMA more, Chuck, is that you had connor Ben
Speaker 1: going over to zoofa boxing right on a one fight,
Speaker 1: reported one fight fifteen million dollar deal, which no UFC
Speaker 1: fighter has ever gotten for a UFC fight. I mean,
Speaker 1: connor got something like that for boxing for a one off,
Speaker 1: but like within the UFC itself, that's absolutely never happened,
Speaker 1: not even close.
Speaker 6: And it was this.
Speaker 1: It's connor Ben is not good, Chuck. He's not very good,
Speaker 1: but the symbolism of it is obviously significant, right could
Speaker 1: you're taking away one of Eddie's top guys. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's not very good. Here's the point I'm trying to make.
Speaker 1: You've got connor Ben who wants a piece of him.
Speaker 1: You got Devin Haney who's out there saying things about him.
Speaker 1: Shagher Stevenson. How do you know this was redemptive for
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia's career, Chuck, because they all.
Speaker 5: Right want a piece and the end that's how you
Speaker 5: know how big of a star he really is too.
Speaker 5: Like we've seen this in the UFC a million times.
Speaker 5: When a guy has that juice right like and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden everybody wants a piece of him. That
Speaker 5: means he does business. I mean, that's the great thing
Speaker 5: about a Ryan Garcia. And we've seen it a couple
Speaker 5: of times where he's kind of swelled up into this,
Speaker 5: you know, into this moment where like he becomes this guy.
Speaker 5: Now there should be concerns, dude, when he came into
Speaker 5: this fight. You're looking at him like during fight week
Speaker 5: and you see what tremendous shape he's in, man, and
Speaker 5: you know that's kind of secondary to his mindset because
Speaker 5: everybody was like, well is he how's he doing? Like
Speaker 5: and it you know, we were talking about his hyper
Speaker 5: religious kind of like swing where he's doing this, but
Speaker 5: he seemed more grounded and rooted, so you're focusing more
Speaker 5: on his mental space. But there was something like you're
Speaker 5: looking at his physique, you know, like, Okay, this dude
Speaker 5: looks really good heading into this fight. There's gonna be no.
Speaker 5: This is the crossy bear, man Like. It's like when
Speaker 5: you when you get popped and you've busted, You've been
Speaker 5: busted for it. That's gonna stay on you forever. That's
Speaker 5: a stain on your career. It's just I would be
Speaker 5: I'd be disappointed. People didn't say it. But your hope
Speaker 5: is honestly that there is no kind of aster restaurant us.
Speaker 5: There's not any kind of thing that comes out of
Speaker 5: this because from a from a boxing perspective, if it's
Speaker 5: a guy who like and I know you like it too,
Speaker 5: man like when you watch boxing boxing asbestos, when you
Speaker 5: have stars like this and you're like, you just ran
Speaker 5: down these these potential fights. I want to see them, man,
Speaker 5: I don't want to have I don't want to have
Speaker 5: a guy who's like, oh yeah, he got in trouble again,
Speaker 5: and you know then all of a sudden he has
Speaker 5: a checkered career. I'd rather see the big fights, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Here's Ryan's response to Devin. Let's take a look
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 6: When my Handhels.
Speaker 1: I'll be looking for that opportunity for sure.
Speaker 6: And Devin he don't want that.
Speaker 1: He's terrified he has PTSD.
Speaker 6: I just want to beat Devin Hayne's ass, bad, dude.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Ryan Garcilla loves more, Chuck, the
Speaker 1: limelight or the N word, but he loves them though,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I think it's the latter.
Speaker 5: But like when you like when you uh, when when
Speaker 5: you look at like Devin Haney's performance, the one at
Speaker 5: Times Square against uh was it? Who did he fight there? Ramirez?
Speaker 5: Was that the I'm trying to remember, like he but
Speaker 5: his fight was it did seem like he had that.
Speaker 5: It almost felt like you you're watching these two guys
Speaker 5: in the same room, You're like, why aren't they facing
Speaker 5: especially on a venue like that where you're like, dude,
Speaker 5: they should be having their rematch.
Speaker 1: This is crazy.
Speaker 5: So it was like this Blue Balls special almost watching
Speaker 5: both guys walk out for different fights. But he did
Speaker 5: seem like that. It seemed like, you know, it seemed
Speaker 5: like he was he was afraid to throw man like.
Speaker 5: It was very strange. So there might be actually something
Speaker 5: to that, But dude, that's one of the big fights.
Speaker 5: If they could make that fight now, I think that's
Speaker 5: a huge fight. Obviously the she could fight is ridiculous,
Speaker 5: but like that fight, the Riy bou Garcia, I think
Speaker 5: all of them are big. Even the connor Ben one
Speaker 5: is kind of big. To be honest, we would be
Speaker 5: it'd be super big now too. With the with this
Speaker 5: whole ZUFA like all of a sudden, this everything going
Speaker 5: on with that man, that would so.
Speaker 1: To that, to that, to the connor Ben signing by
Speaker 1: ZUFA boxing.
Speaker 5: My immediate reaction was, this is going to sit well
Speaker 5: with all of the other zoof like the like all
Speaker 5: of the UFC and everybody else within that realm, right
Speaker 5: because we didn't I mean, fifteen million came out like
Speaker 5: they just said eight figures right at first, but fifteen
Speaker 5: million is just the is such a seismic golf and
Speaker 5: like when you're also talking about a seven point seven
Speaker 5: billion dollar paramount plus it just seems like there's a
Speaker 5: lot of money, you know, be out there being spent,
Speaker 5: but not on the UFC fighters. And so that was
Speaker 5: my first thing is just to go to the defense
Speaker 5: or like to whatever you want to call it, of
Speaker 5: the UFC's perspective of it. But it also kind of
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of contradictions in play, like
Speaker 5: from what the way the Dana has handled his own business,
Speaker 5: and you wonder, like obviously with Turkey, like what in
Speaker 5: terms of like how this influenced it. And you know,
Speaker 5: if this is just a strategic play, right, if it's
Speaker 5: a strategic play to do somewhere to flex, or if
Speaker 5: this is an if it's a strictly an Eddie Hearn
Speaker 5: like fuck you type thing. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 5: a little bit all of that, but man, it is unprecedented.
Speaker 5: I just the UFC, like the ZUFA owned UFC never
Speaker 5: operated this way and honestly, Dana White has never operated
Speaker 5: that way. So it's it's telling, right, Like it's telling
Speaker 5: in the sense like that they're trying to do something.
Speaker 5: Maybe they're trying to fly in a flight a little
Speaker 5: bit with the boxing realm.
Speaker 1: I don't. My view is that these persons are not
Speaker 1: going to last. Now, they may last a little while longer,
Speaker 1: but they've got a shelf life. I think the basic
Speaker 1: idea is, again connor Bend's not very good. He can't
Speaker 1: be like he definitely can't beat Devin hamy Or and
Speaker 1: he's sure as hell can't beat shakhor Ryan Garcia. I
Speaker 1: guess we'll have to see. I don't know what that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but look like, but what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make is, you know, you're not signing Connor Ben because
Speaker 1: he's the best guy in the world. You're signing him
Speaker 1: because it's a symbolic blow to Eddie in a pretty
Speaker 1: substantial way. And it also communicates like we can get
Speaker 1: whoever we want, whenever we want, kind of an attitude,
Speaker 1: you know. But the people thinking like, oh, they're going
Speaker 1: to just spend a bunch of money on boxing long term,
Speaker 1: No the fuck, they're not. Everything they're gonna do, like
Speaker 1: the UFC is the model. There's no other place for
Speaker 1: the UFC to conquer than what they've already got. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, some shows can be bigger than others. They're
Speaker 1: going to have bigger, big one off events, sphere, white house,
Speaker 1: you name it. But and I'm not saying this to
Speaker 1: our equivalent, but you get the idea like they'll have
Speaker 1: big events time to time. But that model is everything
Speaker 1: that ZUFA Boxing wants to copy. That's why they want
Speaker 1: to change federal legislation. They want to get as close
Speaker 1: to that as possible. They're going to have these big signings,
Speaker 1: you're going to see them, but the goal is going
Speaker 1: to eventually be if you want to fight these guys,
Speaker 1: you got to come to us to do it. And
Speaker 1: then what you're going to see is the same thing
Speaker 1: that they do. You're going to see like a Contender
Speaker 1: series for boxing. You're going to see where they're gonna
Speaker 1: start funneling guys in through that. Contracts are going to get,
Speaker 1: you know, more tightly controlled in terms of how pay goes.
Speaker 1: You know, they're going to other those guys with the
Speaker 1: expensive deals are going to eventually age out, and so
Speaker 1: they will eventually be this process where yeh, some guys
Speaker 1: at the top will mix some good money of course,
Speaker 1: but this idea, I go one fight fifteen million. This
Speaker 1: is a temporary thing, which is why I kind of
Speaker 1: understand Connor taking it, to be honest with you, because
Speaker 1: it's like, sure, you're not gonna get a check like
Speaker 1: that again, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's hard.
Speaker 5: I mean people were coming after him so hard for
Speaker 5: like Eddie here and standing, you know, standing by him
Speaker 5: through the hard parts of his career and kind of
Speaker 5: resurrected hern ate.
Speaker 1: I know, I remember in the middle of Connor benmy like,
Speaker 1: I ate too many fucking eggs and that was how
Speaker 1: I popped positive. And Eddie Hearn's mentions dude, for weeks,
Speaker 1: oh my god, for weeks were just filled with you
Speaker 1: fucking low life, cheating, piece of shit, scum fuck you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you nailed it. I think it was you who
Speaker 6: put you put out like a tweet.
Speaker 5: You said, this is what it looks like when Dana
Speaker 5: finally gets involved in competenting, like competing, you said something
Speaker 5: along these lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, this is what whiplash watching it. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: it's like that. And it's so true. It's so true.
Speaker 5: And don't underestimate when Dana feels like he needs to
Speaker 5: make a statement, that's when he'll do something. You know,
Speaker 5: like a lot of times I feel like he was
Speaker 5: just kind of taking it. You know, even just before this,
Speaker 5: you know, you got Oscar to Lahoya going and doing
Speaker 5: one of his clapbacks or whatever his thing is where
Speaker 5: he's like going at Dana, and I felt like it
Speaker 5: was just it was just kind of like the you know,
Speaker 5: this was like his kind of.
Speaker 6: Answered everybody right in the moment.
Speaker 5: So we'll see I agree with you one hundred percent
Speaker 5: though this is that's not sustainable, that's not how they
Speaker 5: do business. So we'll see how it plays out and
Speaker 5: kind of like what they mean this for.
Speaker 1: But there you have it. Those are our top five topics.
Speaker 1: All right, let's switch gears here if we can. Me
Speaker 1: and Chuck up been going back and forth, but now
Speaker 1: it's a chance for you guys to ask us questions.
Speaker 1: The way this works is we put up a thread
Speaker 1: every Sunday on ig on Instagram. You can go Morning
Speaker 1: Combat on Instagram, and then we the producers, I should say,
Speaker 1: we don't do it, but the producers pick five of
Speaker 1: the best or the most interesting, and then we answer them.
Speaker 1: It's time for dms from dogs. That's how I whisper
Speaker 1: in my wife's ear. You know what I'm saying. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to talk question number one here, all right,
Speaker 1: from Ryan Triple six Banil. It seems like a very
Speaker 1: normal human being. All right, When are we gonna get
Speaker 1: a fighter who realizes the way to be a heel
Speaker 1: in the UFC these days and get cheap heat is
Speaker 1: by being an exaggerated woke lib or radical Marxist stereotype,
Speaker 1: a reverse so true, so true, truck. Do you remember
Speaker 1: this guy? And the reason I know this guy is
Speaker 1: because you know, I didn't pay I don't pay attention
Speaker 1: for pro wrestling. I don't hate it anymore, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't pay attention, you know. But my producer is
Speaker 1: when I was on Serious XAM, they were in my
Speaker 1: ear like, you got to see this guy. You gotta
Speaker 1: see this guy. We got to get him on the show.
Speaker 1: He was an indie pro wrestler who was like super
Speaker 1: pro lib to the point where he would get on
Speaker 1: the mic and be like, you maga losers, you're just jealous.
Speaker 1: You're not as smart and successful as Hillary Clinton. And
Speaker 1: they'd be somewhat Alabama and I'd be like, boo, this
Speaker 1: fucking guy, Oh my god. And I asked him if
Speaker 1: he'd ever, like, experienced violence. He told me he'd been
Speaker 1: threatened a gazillion times. But you know, it worked. I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to him, don't if he ever
Speaker 1: went anywhere, but I do agree. I think it would work.
Speaker 5: I know, dude, I had not really thought about this,
Speaker 5: but there's been a couple of times, and I'm not like,
Speaker 5: I'm not some extreme left you know, like the like
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, But like sometimes people accuse
Speaker 5: you being Cuckmanden Hall or whatever because of your like
Speaker 5: some take of what's going on. And if you return
Speaker 5: fire like you lib trd like to them, like and
Speaker 5: then that confuses the hell out of them, right, like
Speaker 5: when you use their own language against It's like so,
Speaker 5: but I mean if you just if you think about that,
Speaker 5: that's I mean, especially with the UFC going and doing
Speaker 5: a white House card. I mean, dude, that is the
Speaker 5: perfect heal. Like, that's an I had not really thought
Speaker 5: about that directly, but that is that is a great
Speaker 5: shout man.
Speaker 1: Do you imagine that you imagine going here and being like,
Speaker 1: I think AOC should be our next resident. Woo oh
Speaker 1: my god, it would be a lot of fun. All right.
Speaker 1: Second question, uh, what do we got here? Okay from
Speaker 1: MJ Silverfang, good guy, here he goes. He says, did
Speaker 1: Jileton al Mada fumble the bag by not signing with MVP?
Speaker 1: Good question to fight JDS on the Rousey Carano undercard
Speaker 1: or did he just not want to get starts by
Speaker 1: fellow Brazilian in front of millions of people. So if
Speaker 1: you didn't see this, it was reported Jonson I made
Speaker 1: a sign with ACA, which is sort of like a
Speaker 1: Caderov semi aligned promotion, but they do. The interesting part
Speaker 1: is they actually do like it. It is legitimate mma
Speaker 1: there like very in certain cases, really legitimate. It's actually
Speaker 1: it's a weird kind of contrast. It's got a weird association,
Speaker 1: but at the same time it does a lot of
Speaker 1: good work. Okay, put in that to the side for
Speaker 1: just a moment. He signed with them, and it was
Speaker 1: reported that MVP wanted al Mada to fight Junior do Santo.
Speaker 1: So I've seen out there kind of putting out training
Speaker 1: videos and always been looking for a fight, and he's
Speaker 1: trying to get a Jake Paul fight, for example, And
Speaker 1: they say he passed it. What do you think, Chuck,
Speaker 1: was it? Did it make sense to pass on it?
Speaker 1: If so, why.
Speaker 6: I would feel like I did.
Speaker 5: This is all news to me, by the way, But
Speaker 5: like in al Maya's case, I feel like, especially in
Speaker 5: jilting the UFC, who just got rid of you when
Speaker 5: you're eight and three in their promotion, like it would
Speaker 5: have been to go to MVP because that's where that's happening, right,
Speaker 5: And that's also going to be just a huge business
Speaker 5: venture because it's going to draw, it's going to prop
Speaker 5: I don't know if it'll break records, but it's going
Speaker 5: to be huge business for Netflix, right.
Speaker 6: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: I maybe not in the long term, but in the
Speaker 5: short term. I feel like that and especially JDS, right
Speaker 5: because now you're I think that an old JDS. I mean,
Speaker 5: if it Jelton I is going to show up and
Speaker 5: do something that would be maybe a guy that you
Speaker 5: could do that against.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say, I guess always had really
Speaker 1: good takedown defense. He did. Even when Caine got him down.
Speaker 1: He was pretty for the most I mean, he would
Speaker 1: get abused on the way up, but he was pretty
Speaker 1: good about resisting the takedown. Shane Carwin couldn't do shit
Speaker 1: to him early for the most part.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: So my thought is this, like I don't I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm saying this. I don't know if it's a
Speaker 1: good matchup for Johnson Almana.
Speaker 6: You know, hmm, how old is JDS.
Speaker 5: He's got to be He's got to go hold there, man,
Speaker 5: So I mean that's and the other one like and
Speaker 5: somebody brought this up to me, They're like, why not
Speaker 5: get Caine Velasquez now that he's out, And I was like,
Speaker 5: that's such a crazy that's such a crazy thought, right
Speaker 5: because his dude has just been like dealing with this
Speaker 5: prison thing for up until now, and all of a
Speaker 5: sudden you would have, like, imagine how compelling that would
Speaker 5: be if he was in the fight shape and he
Speaker 5: was going to come back.
Speaker 1: Juju do Santos just turned forty two. Okay, that's not
Speaker 1: too bad. I thought he was a little older than that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean he had the shoulder injury. It
Speaker 1: was his last fight, that was the Eagle FC one. No,
Speaker 1: he had two Game Bread Bare Knuckles. He split decision
Speaker 1: for Brisio in twenty twenty three, and then he had
Speaker 1: one in twenty twenty four where Tko Alan Belcher. He
Speaker 1: won the inaugural Game Bread Bare Knuckle MMA heavyweight championship
Speaker 1: that apparently is not a time title at heavy rotation.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't It really just comes down to
Speaker 1: what he was being offered. But if he was trying
Speaker 1: to get to a fight where he could look good,
Speaker 1: you might say, oh, a forty two year old JDS.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I I'm not so sure. I'm
Speaker 1: actually not so sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, we're saying that my connection is a
Speaker 5: little weird. So I'm gonna luke you handled this one.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna click back out and come back in.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 1: Sounds good?
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Question number three from John Winklfred out of potential opponents
Speaker 1: for Garcia, Oh, good question. How would you rank in
Speaker 1: terms of difficulty for him? Easy?
Speaker 3: This is easy?
Speaker 1: All right. So the choices are Connor, Ben Shakoor, Liam Paro,
Speaker 1: and Liam Paro and then Hani rematch. I put Liam
Speaker 1: Paro at the bottom of the list. I put Connor
Speaker 1: slightly above that. Actually I'm not sure about that. Maybe
Speaker 1: Connor at the bottom than Liam above that. You could
Speaker 1: maybe replace those two hany next, and then Shakur at
Speaker 1: the top. I kind of feel like Shakur is far
Speaker 1: and away the most difficult tests or what do you
Speaker 1: think toughest fight is Shakur? Then Haney and then what Okay,
Speaker 1: see here, let's see.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: I agree with you. I think that's in that that's
Speaker 6: in that order.
Speaker 1: Yep. And so for that reason, people like, oh the
Speaker 1: Shaqur fight should be next. I just don't think it
Speaker 1: would be next. I mean, maybe maybe they find a
Speaker 1: way to make him next, but I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna take something of an easier fight
Speaker 1: along the way, you know, before we get you forget
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 6: Is he gonna end up with the Lewis Crocker like
Speaker 6: things gonna end up with the other one.
Speaker 1: Nobody's mentioned. Yeah, yeah, all right, let's go to the
Speaker 1: next question from Tevik Papa the Hawaiian fucking legend. Best
Speaker 1: doctor Ero Schmitic, Anthony Fauci, doctor Dre, doctor j Oh,
Speaker 1: doctor Pepper, or Luke's favorite doctor Angela White. Jack's not
Speaker 1: my favorite, but I just like bringing the up because
Speaker 1: it's funny. Do you know who Angela white is?
Speaker 3: Chuck?
Speaker 6: I don't she the one who?
Speaker 1: You liar? Yes, you do?
Speaker 6: I know you do your pants around your ankles?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 1: Got a favorite doctor of those? Doctor Dre.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, like doctor Dre pops out, Doctor
Speaker 6: j was, Doctor j was cool though.
Speaker 1: Doctors between those? So I do love a good doctor Pepper.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest and.
Speaker 6: Occasionally, man, occasionally I try to stay away from it.
Speaker 6: It's just a certain age. You're like, that's no good
Speaker 6: for me, you know, but I do like it every day.
Speaker 6: Look at that? What is that a diet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, zero sugar, root beer, no caffeine. No, I do
Speaker 1: like root beer. I do like root beer. All right,
Speaker 1: I think we got at least maybe two more maybe, uh,
Speaker 1: Declan Beatson. Uh, a witch has come and cursed. MK.
Speaker 1: Both hosts now have to look the same. Does Luke
Speaker 1: shave the beard and put on a hat? Or does
Speaker 1: Chuck grow and uh the beard and take off the hat?
Speaker 1: Those rules strictly apply. How is the show moving forward?
Speaker 5: I don't think I can grow that kind of beard, man,
Speaker 5: Like You've got a nice lush beard there like this.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can. I could do that
Speaker 5: doesn't grow in as as well. I'm not like a
Speaker 5: wild animal, dude, I don't know.
Speaker 6: How do you?
Speaker 1: How do you what's left on your head? How do
Speaker 1: you trim it?
Speaker 5: Do you just shave like a oh, I just got
Speaker 5: like a clippers, you know, and you just take off
Speaker 5: all you know, you just shave the.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it takes like two minutes.
Speaker 1: Long island long island. You get a haircut? How does
Speaker 1: it work? What's what's your process. Oh I need a haircut?
Speaker 3: What do you do? I go to the barber and
Speaker 3: you call them.
Speaker 1: Do you do like you make an appointment?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go walk in. I go walk in because
Speaker 3: I'm a freelance so you know, most people are at
Speaker 3: work nine to five during the week. I just go
Speaker 3: on like a Tuesday at eleven am. No one's there,
Speaker 3: you know, and there's I don't I'm not picky. There's
Speaker 3: like one good barber there that everyone likes, and then
Speaker 3: there's like two guys on the side. I'll take the
Speaker 3: guys on the side. I don't give fun.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, it sho it shows. Yeah you I was
Speaker 1: gonna say money on yours.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: I used to spend a bunch of money, and now
Speaker 1: I spend far, far less. I mean it's hard to get. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you would go for a haircut
Speaker 1: in the city for less than fifty bucks. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't even know where that would be. But
Speaker 1: I got one guy who does it for like fifty
Speaker 1: depending on what I get, fifty or sixty.
Speaker 3: But there's a.
Speaker 1: Process to it. He puts it up like he doesn't
Speaker 1: allow walkins. And what he does is it it's like
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. So it's like it's cheap, it's in
Speaker 1: my neighborhood. And I like the guy and I feel
Speaker 1: like it is a good job. So like I just
Speaker 1: can't abandon the process. But what he does is he
Speaker 1: just creates He's got all his appointments on an app
Speaker 1: and he opens them all up on Sundays at noon,
Speaker 1: and so you just got to be like one of
Speaker 1: the first people to get it. Otherwise you have to
Speaker 1: go at like a weird time or you just missed
Speaker 1: the whole fucking week. So like, you know, on weeks
Speaker 1: where I needed I'll be like, I'll look at the
Speaker 1: clock and be like to in the afternoon, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, and I'll go check and all the appointments
Speaker 1: are all booked up for the week and that demand.
Speaker 1: So then I have to ad yeah, I can't. I
Speaker 1: guess there's not a natural way for me to do it.
Speaker 1: So then I end up having these spots where like
Speaker 1: you could look at this ship hanging off, look at
Speaker 1: this look at dumb I need I need some help,
Speaker 1: you know. There you go, all right, Uh that is
Speaker 1: it for dms from donks. What are we doing? For
Speaker 1: the rest of this part.
Speaker 3: I don't even know we're doing higher or lower Everyone's
Speaker 3: favorite game, guys. I just say every game is everyone's
Speaker 3: favorite game. But I'll give you, guys a scenario. You
Speaker 3: tell me if you're taking the higher or ride LT
Speaker 3: You're up first. You just mentioned earlier we were talking
Speaker 3: about getting rid of heavyweight.
Speaker 1: Earlier.
Speaker 3: You know it's barely hanging on women's bandon weight obviously
Speaker 3: also barely hanging on even though the loan finish on
Speaker 3: the dumb in a women's spandom weight fight. But you know,
Speaker 3: either way, I feel like there's arguably a few divisions
Speaker 3: you could argue getting rid of. So my question to you, Luke,
Speaker 3: is higher and lower than two and a half the
Speaker 3: amount of UFC divisions that you would abolish right now
Speaker 3: if you were in charge.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to take the under. And the reason
Speaker 1: why is because I believe in being some Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't think getting rid of divisions is a
Speaker 1: conservative act. I don't mean politically. I mean like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going over the to a crazy amount. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I could see a case for more, but
Speaker 1: I think to start, you just formally officially close forty five.
Speaker 1: I know it's basically closed anyway, but I'm just saying, you've, like,
Speaker 1: make it official, we're done in the forty five business,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I would probably get rid of
Speaker 1: heavyweight too, at least temporarily.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, I've seen you see get rid of divisions. I
Speaker 1: saw them get rid of light Way and bring it back,
Speaker 1: like you can bring divisions back. But for the time being,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the point is unless they make changes,
Speaker 1: right Unange, so too.
Speaker 3: Chuck, you're taking the under as well?
Speaker 5: Or yeah, I mean the one forty five should have
Speaker 5: been long gun because what are they doing with it?
Speaker 5: But I'm at the exact same the exact same thing.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I would pull the plug on
Speaker 5: ultimately pull the plug on heavyweight, but I agree they
Speaker 5: just got to, like, you've got to do something with
Speaker 5: it because right now it's a hopeless wasteland.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Chuck, Well over to you, Uh Brandon Morino.
Speaker 3: I was headlining UFC Mexico City this weekend, and we
Speaker 3: also just got official word that Josh Van is defending
Speaker 3: his title against Tatsuro Tyra at UFC three twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Moreno obviously just lost to Tyra, but he still hasn't
Speaker 3: fought josh Van Manel, cop Kyoji Hoa, Gucci to name
Speaker 3: a few contenders. So, given how the division could play
Speaker 3: out for the next year or so, my question to
Speaker 3: you is higher or lower than one half? So one
Speaker 3: uh the amount of times Brandon Moreno will fight for
Speaker 3: a UFC title for the remainder of his Ooh, that's tough, man, right,
Speaker 3: because a lot of things could happen.
Speaker 5: Didn't say he'd win it, just fight for it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I would go over that. He's so good Manlan. He's
Speaker 5: not that old like you feel like he is because
Speaker 5: he's been around for a while, but he's really not
Speaker 5: that old.
Speaker 6: So will I will say over.
Speaker 5: But it's gonna be a bit because I mean, unless
Speaker 5: some circumstances intervene. I just I feel like with Joshuva
Speaker 5: and Pantosia obviously like is going to come back. You
Speaker 5: still have more Gucci, so it's gonna be a minute.
Speaker 5: But he's also you notice he gets a big pop
Speaker 5: man like every time they show him, like he's he's
Speaker 5: really developed into a bigger star than I think people understand.
Speaker 5: But if you're in the building and they show him
Speaker 5: like he gets a big pop. So I feel like
Speaker 5: the UFC likes him. So I'll say, over.
Speaker 1: LT, I'll take the under.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, do you think he loses this weekend?
Speaker 3: He's a big favorite.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he loses this weekend. Certainly he shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can all agree there. I
Speaker 1: guess what I would say is dudema. I found it
Speaker 1: to be so weird and so strange where you think guys,
Speaker 1: you know, oh they're they they'll hold serve to to
Speaker 1: borrow from the terminology that the tennis terminology that Chuck
Speaker 1: used earlier, where it's like you know they'll be they'll
Speaker 1: be back there and then they never get back there.
Speaker 1: That's seen it in times that just totally surprised me.
Speaker 1: So I'll say I'll take the under.
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough, lt Uh. We know you're a
Speaker 3: diehard TKO fan. You'll follow the brand regardless.
Speaker 1: Anyway. I'm wearing their clone right now on my ball.
Speaker 3: We're talking power slap, we're talking UFC fragrances, and we're
Speaker 3: especially talking zoofa boxing. So my question to you of
Speaker 3: their twenty four total bouts, higher or lower than five
Speaker 3: and a half the amount of ZUFA boxing fights that
Speaker 3: you've watched live.
Speaker 1: Oh, over the over the If the over unders five
Speaker 1: and a half, it's over. I watched almost the entire
Speaker 1: first card live.
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, see I knew Chuck too.
Speaker 6: That was hostage there. I had to watch it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess my question for Chuck then, is Chuck,
Speaker 3: since that first card in the next two, I'll put
Speaker 3: the over under it like two and a half. Have
Speaker 3: you watched any of those live?
Speaker 1: No, not live?
Speaker 5: I've caught up, Like they had the one card, what
Speaker 5: was it the third card where they had some knockouts
Speaker 5: pretty good one to that uppercut so I saw, like
Speaker 5: I went back and watched those, but like, no.
Speaker 3: Not live. Okay, that was the only card that I
Speaker 3: actually caught live. I caught those like three knockouts live.
Speaker 3: But that's all I really want.
Speaker 6: That was their best event so far, I guess for sure.
Speaker 3: Chuck. Jack Hughes Let's Go America scored the ot game
Speaker 3: winner for the USA men's Olympic hockey team yesterday, first
Speaker 3: gold medal in forty six years. Whole tournament was really
Speaker 3: fun to watch. It was great to see our boy
Speaker 3: Chuck Islanders and Avalanche legend brock Nelson. Again, my question
Speaker 3: to you, is higher or lower than three and a
Speaker 3: half the amount of men's Olympic hockey games that you watched?
Speaker 6: It's lower, n did you think would be higher.
Speaker 3: You'd be all over it. Honestly, I thought you'd be into.
Speaker 6: There's like I have a.
Speaker 5: Hard time with the Olympics. Some of it is because
Speaker 5: of the times, Like you know, we got kids. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's tough. It is tough to like grown kids. Chuck's
Speaker 5: kids are adults.
Speaker 6: But uh but no, man, it was. It was definitely
Speaker 6: I think I want I mean so basically.
Speaker 1: Really one.
Speaker 5: I mean the only one though, if you look at
Speaker 5: just the full way through, it was just the last one.
Speaker 5: So I did watch that.
Speaker 3: That game is epic. I woke up early for it,
Speaker 3: hungover as shit. It was a good time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 3: LT We talked about connor Ben getting fifteen million, a
Speaker 3: fight that surely has to upset a lot of UFC fighters,
Speaker 3: but we all know they're all reluctant to speak up.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna be about it in fear of upsetting
Speaker 3: the baby beater in charge. So my question to you
Speaker 3: is higher lower than zero point five the amount of
Speaker 3: UFC fighters that will receive a raise as a result
Speaker 3: of the Connor ben signing.
Speaker 1: Here, what's that scene from The Godfather was? I think
Speaker 1: it was Godfather too, where he was like, my offer
Speaker 1: is nothing. That is yeah, that's that's gonna be Nick
Speaker 1: conn Nick con by the way, deserves a lot of
Speaker 1: credit for the signing, but it's gonna be Nick con
Speaker 1: and Daniel when they're like, well, I want more money.
Speaker 1: I saw what you guys were giving out for Connor,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be like, right, my offer is nothing, zero, nothing,
Speaker 1: It will do nothing.
Speaker 6: And we'll accept it, thank you.
Speaker 3: They're gonna be like, you know what, ud I think
Speaker 3: they're gonna hook up people they like. And when I
Speaker 3: say hook up, it's gonna be so miniscule in the
Speaker 3: grand scheme. But the fighters are gonna think like they're
Speaker 3: gonna be like, we'll give you an extra fifty K
Speaker 3: next time, and they're gonna be like, fuck, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: getting an extra fIF like the people they like. I'm
Speaker 3: talking like Patty and Ship, you know, like fighters they
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is, how would.
Speaker 1: You disentangle that from what you could attribute to the
Speaker 1: paramount money.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, it's the same thing.
Speaker 3: They probably all got a little bump. I know, like, uh,
Speaker 3: who's a fucking is he's manager, he's all the like
Speaker 3: ausie guys managers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 6: Tim from Simpson he h.
Speaker 3: He mentioned like or one of his fighters mentioned like,
Speaker 3: I got a raise for the paramount thing, and then
Speaker 3: they were like shout out Tim, like I'm sure all
Speaker 3: Tim's fighters got raises there. He's in good stand, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like he's a good man strickly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well he ain't represented by ten. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: I feel like some guys are gonna get hooked up,
Speaker 3: but it's not going to be anything, and they're going
Speaker 3: to think they're getting hooked up.
Speaker 1: I get it from the paramount money. I could see
Speaker 1: it raised certainly from just what Connor Ben got all
Speaker 1: because of Connor Ben.
Speaker 3: No. No, yeah, all right, all right, fair enough.
Speaker 5: They're still beg begging for the bonuses after their fights. Man,
Speaker 5: it's crazy, true, Chuck.
Speaker 3: A storyline this week was Dan Egay changing his nickname
Speaker 3: from fifty k to one hundred grand, and everyone was
Speaker 3: debating which one sounded better. This reminded me of when
Speaker 3: Ilia changed his nickname for a day and then took
Speaker 3: it back. It got me thinking of other iconic nicknames
Speaker 3: in the sport, like the man in the Hat for example,
Speaker 3: and how weird it would be if you just decided
Speaker 3: one day you're changing it so higher lower than fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars the amount of money it would cost you
Speaker 3: to change your nickname to Chuck fifty k into hall.
Speaker 5: I mean at this point, like I mean, and by
Speaker 5: the way, like at these are named like Luke calls
Speaker 5: me iceman. I mean, it's just these are names bestowed
Speaker 5: on you. It's not like I chose them. The man confused.
Speaker 5: I mean I guess, so you gotta take that money, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: just take the money right? Like, it's just why not,
Speaker 5: I don't mind being fifty k ending all that's right?
Speaker 3: That works. What's the minimum you would take to be
Speaker 3: called and then the middle of day your nickname becomes that?
Speaker 5: So like I have integrity, fifty k is the line, man,
Speaker 5: I mean, that's where it's at, you know, so fair enough?
Speaker 3: Yeah, LT, how much would it cost you to just
Speaker 3: go buy a nickname other than like something's embarrassing something
Speaker 3: you hate ten bucks next live chat someone we're calling
Speaker 3: them something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my new name is d Blower. It's actually from.
Speaker 3: Luke. We know you trained in your twenties and thirties,
Speaker 3: which would have arguably been your athletic prime. With the
Speaker 3: state of heavyweight today and how bad some of the
Speaker 3: top fifteen guys have looked, my question to you is
Speaker 3: higher or lower than point five the amount of current
Speaker 3: top ten or sorry, top fifteen heavyweights You could beat
Speaker 3: every one out of ten times in your athletic prime,
Speaker 3: so you just got to beat him once.
Speaker 1: If I was in my prime, yeah, and I fought
Speaker 1: the current roster will through a time machine ten times,
Speaker 1: and I had ten times to fight him. How many
Speaker 1: wins could I get?
Speaker 3: Could you get at least one win if you fought
Speaker 3: every top fifteen heavyweight?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: Look at the rankings. I mean the answer is almost
Speaker 1: certainly no. But man, I feel like I sparred with
Speaker 1: scarier people in my time than we had with the
Speaker 1: rosters on the roster.
Speaker 3: Who took the fifteen spot.
Speaker 1: Now that Jalaton's up, make park in Volter Walker l
Speaker 1: Ghaziev trade with him, you know, I mean probably not
Speaker 1: probably zero, you know, but I might take a couple
Speaker 1: of rounds here and there.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that I was hoping you'd be this
Speaker 3: and be like fucking over way over.
Speaker 1: With guys that had I mean, I so fucking I remember,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the first time I went to like
Speaker 1: a the pro fighter's class and they were doing sparring
Speaker 1: in one of these fucking boxing rings, and there was
Speaker 1: a dude in there who literally before it was my
Speaker 1: turn to go spar him, he viciously chaoed the guy
Speaker 1: in front of me, and I was like, oh, my
Speaker 1: fucking guy. And he didn't make it very far in
Speaker 1: the regional scene at all, Like he kind of I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't his primary occupation, but he didn't. He didn't
Speaker 1: like make it very far. So I'm gonna give these
Speaker 1: guys a little bit of respect, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been a decline, let's put it that way.
Speaker 3: Chuck. I know your fellow crackhead PZ Carol loves his
Speaker 3: Guinness and you've been known to throw a few.
Speaker 1: Most overrated beer on Earth, by the way. Oahara, all right,
Speaker 1: I pas, I don't even like Okay, just straight up
Speaker 1: don't like him. Guinness I actually like, but people talk
Speaker 1: about guinness, Okay, I like, you know, some angel dipped
Speaker 1: his balls in him and all of a sudden, this
Speaker 1: is what its all right?
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of how many times has PZ dipped his no,
Speaker 3: just uh my question to you, Chuck, is higher or
Speaker 3: lower than eight and a half the average number of
Speaker 3: guinness you consume you personally on a night out with
Speaker 3: PZZ Carol.
Speaker 6: Eight and a half?
Speaker 3: I just feel like he's got to be pounding them
Speaker 3: all night, right, Like I'm thinking, we're we're at we're
Speaker 3: in this.
Speaker 1: This is this So PZZ plus Chuck or.
Speaker 3: Just this is like all right? Maybe like with pt
Speaker 3: how many is pizza?
Speaker 5: And if we're drinking guinness he puts them away like
Speaker 5: eight and a half. That seems like a big number,
Speaker 5: but it would be over I'm sure because he like
Speaker 5: he talks about you know, a dozen of those things
Speaker 5: like he can he can put them away. So I'm
Speaker 5: guessing if you were trying to hang out with him
Speaker 5: and they did something like this last time in New York,
Speaker 5: they did some kind of pub crawl and he went
Speaker 5: over that number. So I'm feeling I feel like if
Speaker 5: you were keeping pace with him, I don't know if
Speaker 5: I could, to be honest, but it.
Speaker 1: Would be over that number, all right, Hell yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I want to You know what, I gotta say this,
Speaker 1: I fucking love day drinking day. Drinking truly might be
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things, but it's loser behavior for
Speaker 1: the most part.
Speaker 6: On a Sunday, I've engaged in plenty of life.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen. Tailgating is fucking great. Yeah, pub crawling I've
Speaker 1: done a million of them. I had a great time
Speaker 1: every day. I mean, this is this is the contradiction
Speaker 1: of my life. I love those things, but it's dub
Speaker 1: t make no mistake about it.
Speaker 3: True. Luke, you mentioned on your watch along on Saturday
Speaker 3: that you're considering getting rid of some of your tattoos.
Speaker 1: Yes, I am.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, we know BC was obsessed with the naval
Speaker 3: tat so naturally I just have to ask, is that
Speaker 3: one of the ones you're considered.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's a different one.
Speaker 3: Okay. My real question, though, is higher or lower than
Speaker 3: two and a half the amount of tattoos you were
Speaker 3: considering getting rid of?
Speaker 1: Higher? Wow?
Speaker 3: How many do you have total? Right now? Good questions?
Speaker 1: Let me think one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
Speaker 1: I have ten I'm gonna get rid of at least
Speaker 1: a third of thee. I was thinking three, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got one on my back. I don't like I've
Speaker 1: got one on my chest. I was gonna get this
Speaker 1: one covered up, but now I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I want to get it covered up. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want. Dude, I've had like a bit
Speaker 1: of a midlife crisis. I mean, I'm dead fucking serious
Speaker 1: about this where I don't know what I like anymore,
Speaker 1: like and this is like like not even just professionally
Speaker 1: or what, like, do I like the same music? What
Speaker 1: about the foods?
Speaker 3: What I mean, like I've had blood just isn't hitting
Speaker 3: as hard as it used to again, as hard as
Speaker 3: it used to. You know, You're like, do I like
Speaker 3: this music anymore?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 1: I still kind of like that, but even I don't listen.
Speaker 1: Like the thing about that kind of music is you
Speaker 1: just can't listen to it regularly. Like I do like it,
Speaker 1: but I can't listen to it every day. It's just
Speaker 1: too much. But what I mean to say is like
Speaker 1: I've been looking at my tattoos and I'm like I
Speaker 1: don't like these anymore, you know, And so you have
Speaker 1: a choice when that happens, you have a choice. You
Speaker 1: can do nothing and just a guy who cares, which
Speaker 1: a lot of people do too. You can get it removed.
Speaker 1: Three you can get it covered up. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if the issue is I don't like the tattoo, do
Speaker 1: I want to just get littered with more tattoos? No?
Speaker 1: I think I want to erase some of them and
Speaker 1: then keep the ones I like that I've gotten more
Speaker 1: recently and put a little more money into. But dude,
Speaker 1: I got I got a tattoo on my chest here
Speaker 1: I hate and I got it when I was I
Speaker 1: got it when I was nineteen at Red Dragon Tattoo
Speaker 1: in Charlottesville, Virginia. Like, it's like, what the fuck am
Speaker 1: I keeping that around?
Speaker 3: Elsie. My other question to you about tattoos real quick,
Speaker 3: is of the three you're getting rid of, what number
Speaker 3: tattoos were those?
Speaker 6: So you're at ten right now?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. On So that's a good question.
Speaker 1: So the one on my chests would be number the
Speaker 1: second one I ever got, so I was number two.
Speaker 1: The one on my back I'm thinking about getting rid
Speaker 1: of would be either three or four, and then there's
Speaker 1: another one that would be so so two, three, and four.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly the order in which three and
Speaker 1: four go, but it would be the first one and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be five on.
Speaker 3: Maybe if you were trying to get rid of ones
Speaker 3: you got more later in life, I'd be like, Woa,
Speaker 3: why'd you know?
Speaker 1: No those ones? This this the one I got. I
Speaker 1: will tell you this, I'll show it to you. So
Speaker 1: this one I got of the DC flag, I'm going
Speaker 1: to keep it. But I'm actually I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get a recolored I'm gonna get a colored black because
Speaker 1: this was designed to look like a stamp rather than
Speaker 1: an imprint. But the the the coloring that the guy used,
Speaker 1: again I didn't know much about tattooing at the time.
Speaker 1: The coloring the guy used has faded and it's not
Speaker 1: worked as intended. And also it's a different red than
Speaker 1: the red here, than the red here and then the
Speaker 1: red here. So I'm thinking about just making it the
Speaker 1: same color as this one to create a more consistent
Speaker 1: color profile. But I don't I don't have any plans
Speaker 1: of removing that one.
Speaker 6: It's expensive to get a tattoo removed.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm about to find out. I'm about to find out.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you go for like twenty sessions that
Speaker 3: much and each session is.
Speaker 1: I think it depends on how this this tattoo I
Speaker 1: have here is not very big, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it would take twenty sessions to ring.
Speaker 3: Oh maybe not. Yeah, maybe it depends on the size.
Speaker 3: All right, Uh, Chuck. We once put up a lower
Speaker 3: for you during pregame preview that said from Colorado, but
Speaker 3: doesn't smoke weed, And to this day, I still don't
Speaker 3: even know if that's true. So with how acceptable weed
Speaker 3: is now, it feels inevitable that you would have been
Speaker 3: in a situation where, at least if you didn't have some,
Speaker 3: someone you know had some. So my question to you
Speaker 3: is higher lower than point five the amount of times
Speaker 3: you've consumed cannabis in the last three hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: five days.
Speaker 6: It's under because I haven't done it, but I've done plenty.
Speaker 1: Of life, I said, put them on the spot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I mean.
Speaker 1: You go to nope, destroy your future opportunities. This is
Speaker 1: what this is show is all about.
Speaker 5: Now, you know, to this day, like if it just
Speaker 5: you know the circles you run in. It's not like
Speaker 5: I mean the people eating the gummies and stuff more
Speaker 5: than than doing that. But at the same time, like
Speaker 5: it's been a while man like, but I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: but I am from Colorado man, and uh you know.
Speaker 1: Bro that Colorado weed, Colorado man. Yes, you're not fucking
Speaker 1: around out there, No, Ben, do you want to go though?
Speaker 6: Look at a good time with Gloria one time.
Speaker 1: I do recall that. Yeah, I mean that's God damn.
Speaker 3: Uh Eltie. You've mentioned that he sends you a bunch
Speaker 3: and I've seen some of it in our own group
Speaker 3: pat with BC. We know he loves sending conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Dude, right, let me let me let me stop there,
Speaker 1: stop there, you might ruin the over under. Listen to
Speaker 1: me for a second. If you're a fan of Brian Campbell,
Speaker 1: you need to engage in a well a digital wellness
Speaker 1: check on this man. My guy this morning is sending
Speaker 1: me conspiracy theories all day, yesterday and today all weekend.
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, he my guy, loves conspiracies as much as
Speaker 1: he likes straweights. I'm just gonna put it that way, Okay, Oh.
Speaker 3: My God, like that all right. Well, I have a
Speaker 3: feeling I made this over under way too low. But
Speaker 3: my question to you is higher or lower than nineteen
Speaker 3: and a half the amount of conspiracy theory related content
Speaker 3: that Brian Campbell has sent you in the last Dude.
Speaker 1: You should have done nineteen and a half to the
Speaker 1: nineteenth and a half power to even get close to
Speaker 1: the number. This is a gross under lord, what are
Speaker 1: we talking about?
Speaker 3: Triple digits could easily seven days seven day.
Speaker 1: Could easily be yeah, honestly, could easily be like it's
Speaker 1: you whatever you think it is, it's ten x that amount.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And part of that is because his number for
Speaker 6: the marijuana thing is over.
Speaker 1: Also, in fairness to him and Chuck, you'll appreciate this.
Speaker 1: He's right about this because we were we were I
Speaker 1: was talking to I was chatting with him yesterday and
Speaker 1: we were talking and I was like, Dude, this weather
Speaker 1: has fucking this winter has been terrible. This was a
Speaker 1: terrible winter. Because I don't know how you guys feel.
Speaker 1: We had you guys, I think you guys had it
Speaker 1: too this well. I think you'all streets may have been
Speaker 1: cleared better, but we had the snow creek here I've
Speaker 1: been talking about that. Oh yeah, you didn't get much snow,
Speaker 1: but then it instantly froze and just sat in the road.
Speaker 1: I felt more trapped here during the last month than
Speaker 1: I ever felt during the pandemic because most of that time,
Speaker 1: because you remember, the pandemic didn't really kick into high
Speaker 1: gear until like late February March or whatever, so by
Speaker 1: that point you're kind of already outside. And again, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that the pandemic didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: like negative effects for people. Of course it did. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to point out I felt I personally felt
Speaker 1: less constrained by that at that time. I have felt
Speaker 1: like I've got cabin fever to the degree. And was
Speaker 1: also admitting that the cold weather and then everything was
Speaker 1: was not his favorite. Let's plit that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was affecting him. Yes, it's affected me too.
Speaker 3: I'm going crazy bad, dude. Well that's my stucks that
Speaker 3: we just got this storm. I'm like, the snow was
Speaker 3: finally going it was finally warm this week, it was
Speaker 3: starting to go away, and then it just saw about it.
Speaker 1: Dude, on the fuck your head up for sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, chuck, last one for you more of
Speaker 3: a was already stupid.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: Headed into twenty twenty six, I thought women's ban and
Speaker 3: Weight had the opportunity. I won't say it was a guarantee,
Speaker 3: but for a bit of a resurgence. You know, we
Speaker 3: had a Manda versus Caleb booked. It seems like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna see some fun fights here. Possibly then Kayla
Speaker 3: gets the next surgery. A whole division just goes back
Speaker 3: to complete irrelevance. I don't even know if there's more
Speaker 3: than fifteen women's band weight on the roster or if
Speaker 3: the top fifteen is just the fifteen women's band and
Speaker 3: weight that's all through four cards so far in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six, we have had two women's band and weight
Speaker 3: fights already. So my question to you is including those
Speaker 3: two higher or lower than nine and a half the
Speaker 3: amount of women's ban and weight fights the UFC puts
Speaker 3: on this entire calendar year.
Speaker 6: Wow, you know, I do like the rankings at y'allhoo
Speaker 6: liked that. And what you realize because you.
Speaker 5: Have to kind of write this blurbage to like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is what they're doing, and how many of them
Speaker 5: are just inactive for large periods of time.
Speaker 6: I'd still put it over.
Speaker 5: This would be an interesting to revisit though, because I
Speaker 5: hadn't really thought about I haven't really thought about that,
Speaker 5: but like, you're right, it's not exactly like the cupboards
Speaker 5: are full right now with these women bantam weights. I'd
Speaker 5: still put it over though, just I think that i'd
Speaker 5: have to look up the number. But I feel like
Speaker 5: there's enough. There's enough. Like if they even got like
Speaker 5: one fight apiece, you know type thing, it'd be in
Speaker 5: that range.
Speaker 3: Well, see, that's all right. So we've had two already.
Speaker 3: There is one this weekend, Macy Chasson versus Eileen Perez.
Speaker 3: But I feel like the division's just gonna go stale
Speaker 3: after those fights. Yeah, Like I don't think they're booking
Speaker 3: Joscelyn Edwards versus the winner of that tomorrow. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. But either way, women's bandwid in shambles. Guys,
Speaker 3: that was high or lower? I hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Fun Long Island. Why don't you plug what you got
Speaker 1: going on for the rest of the week until Friday?
Speaker 3: Anyway, I got my UFC Mexico City Bet breakdown coming
Speaker 3: out tomorrow. I'll have a new prop quiz on Friday
Speaker 3: and then full card watch along on Saturday.
Speaker 1: And as a reminder, we're all going to be in studio.
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Speaker 1: bring your drinking cap, chuckman, I will, I will bring that.
Speaker 6: Very good.
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Speaker 5: Well, I'll definitely have some writing coming up this week.
Speaker 5: I got a Cheeto Vera I'll be talking to and
Speaker 5: have some so those are be coming out this week
Speaker 5: on Uncrowned, and I believe I'm scheduled to be back
Speaker 5: on the Crack on Friday with Pezzi Carrol.
Speaker 1: So nice.
Speaker 5: Plenty of amend in hall to go around, are we. Well,
Speaker 5: I'll talk about this other stuff and we'll talk about
Speaker 5: next week next week.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, very good. Yeah, Well, as we mentioned, we
Speaker 1: won't have Chuck on Friday, but he'll be back on Monday.
Speaker 1: We'll be in studio on Monday in Shalla and uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Should be a good time. So for Long Island, for
Speaker 1: the Iceman himself, and for all of you out there,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching. We're out of here
Speaker 1: and until next time, may all of your gains be loyal.