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Speaker 3: Jesus, you fit in seamlessly in this weird nkn FN.

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Speaker 4: When your box gets set and yeah, a new intro baby,

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, brother, what is it the first time you're

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Speaker 5: That's the first time I'm saying it. I was actually

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Speaker 5: going to start the show today talk just to kind

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Speaker 1: But well, that's cool. We need for that, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: for that, they have switched it up. Hello everyone, Hello,

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Speaker 1: on this twenty third day of February twenty six, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Morning Combat. I am merely one half of your

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Speaker 1: very very cold and frozen duo. I joined you from

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Speaker 1: the capital of the status of Needles right here in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 1: joined by a man who's got it much worse than me,

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Speaker 1: who I think. This is a live stream, as you

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Speaker 1: indicated on the pre show, Chuck from Planet Hath.

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Speaker 6: You know on Star Wars, you know that's what it

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Speaker 1: Well, nevertheless, we made it. Everyone made it. Everyone the

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Speaker 1: get to today. We're going to re reacting, of course,

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Speaker 1: to the UFC show in Houston, where Sean Strickland got

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Speaker 1: So that was the one point that I wanted to make,

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Speaker 1: It's the right attitude, and I hope that he does.

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Speaker 5: It turned out, No, And did you get the feeling

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Speaker 5: and that was effectively the end of the fight.

433
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Speaker 1: It's weird. Fluffy has a pretty good chin, but his

434
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Speaker 1: durability to the body is there's no This is by

435
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Speaker 1: my account at least the fourth fight where he's been

436
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 1: rocked by a body shot.

437
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Speaker 6: That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point, Like.

438
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Speaker 1: You're at this point now where yeah, you'll notice there

439
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 1: was that one exchange in round one where Sean put

440
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Speaker 1: that combination together and got the better of Fluffy in

441
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: a brief moment if Fluffy just smiled and walked into him. Yeah,

442
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 1: but but then you get hits to the body and

443
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 1: then it closes the show. And I think you have

444
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: to give Strickling a little bit of credit here. Again,

445
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: I sorted sort of my point out by saying this

446
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: at the top, which was for a guy at MMA.

447
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 1: In boxing you can have a style that's a little

448
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 1: bit more defensive based and getting really well. I think

449
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: that that is a limit. There's a limit that in

450
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 1: mma in ways that it's not true in boxing. So

451
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: you need to be more offensive than you are defensive.

452
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: And to me, what this fight showed was Strickland still

453
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: has a little bit of some tricks up a sleeve,

454
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: where he is still kind of fine tuning the process

455
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: to be able to deliver more offense off of an

456
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 1: inherently defensive style in ways it honestly, he hasn't really

457
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: done that. I mean, again, this is his to me,

458
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 1: this is his best stoppage win. This is his best

459
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: stoppage win. For sure, it's his best stoppage win. But

460
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Speaker 1: the way in which he looked so languid in the

461
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 1: last three fights and then looks so potent here, you

462
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 1: have to give him credit, you really do.

463
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Speaker 6: Yeah, who was it? I think it might've been.

464
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Speaker 5: DC was trying to point out, like, if this version

465
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Speaker 5: of Sean Strickland shows up to the cage, he can

466
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Speaker 5: compete with anybody, including Shamaiev. I mean, I know we're

467
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 5: going to talk about that in a minute, but like

468
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 5: that is that is a question, right because you're always

469
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 5: like where's this guy's head? You know a lot of times,

470
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 5: and even in this particular, in this one, like he

471
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 5: goes to Houston, what does he do? He makes all

472
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 5: these headlines for all the wrong reasons. He puts a

473
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 5: very strange kind of vibe to the fight and almost

474
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 5: like an expectation that you it's gonna be hard to

475
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 5: live up to. Uh he you know, he kind of

476
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 5: did this with the Easy Fight too, and then he

477
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 5: goes in there he puts all that aside and just

478
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 5: like puts on that show that's you know, it's it's

479
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 5: been very it's adventurous with him in that sense, like

480
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 5: you just don't know what you're getting from fight to fight.

481
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 5: And I do believe he's one of those head cases

482
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Speaker 5: that you know, I know we're talking about Ryan Garcia

483
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 5: later on, Like you know, it's like one of those

484
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 5: guys that you the unpredictability is just that you're not

485
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Speaker 5: sure where his head is, you know what I mean.

486
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Speaker 5: Like when he goes into a fight in this particular one,

487
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 5: it looked like he was so dialed in that you're like, yeah,

488
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 5: that that version of Sean Strickland would be fun to

489
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Speaker 5: contemplate against anybody.

490
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Speaker 1: It's incredible to watch. I kind of want to put

491
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Speaker 1: this topic to bed as we move on, we'll talk

492
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: about the what's next for the division? Well, actually, you

493
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Speaker 1: know what, before we do that, very quickly, I gotta

494
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 1: I gotta be Okay, So, as I mentioned, I'm making

495
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: these mistakes where I ordinarily you can kind of rely

496
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: on youth to begin to really surge through, and they're

497
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: having a tough time breaking through in MMA. But we

498
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: also got to be careful on the other end, Chuck,

499
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: which is again Diego Lopez had like no cage cutting

500
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: in the first fight, and they make him fight him

501
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: again without a ton of time necessarily to work into that. Now,

502
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: he also looked he didn't put any effort into fixing

503
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: what was wrong, which is a different problem. But the

504
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: point I want to make is if we're going to

505
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: posit that the younger guys, and Fluffy's not super young,

506
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: he's thirty two, and I think Showan thirty five or

507
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: something like that, but thirty four maybe, but you know,

508
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: certainly more experienced, and yeah, there longer. If we're going

509
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: to posit that the young guys can't break through, it

510
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: also is kind of going to be true in many

511
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: cases that we have to wait for the younger guys

512
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: to also maybe become kind of old guys themselves or

513
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: at least you know, war horses before we can really

514
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: conclude what their ultimate upside would be. I mean, he

515
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: it might just be Hernandez just needs a little bit

516
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: more time, which is crazy to say at thirty two. Yeah,

517
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: but it really just be the case. I'm not ready

518
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: to bury him. Yeah.

519
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's like when we're talking about a guy

520
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 5: like Fluffy, it's the fresh blood, not necessarily like the

521
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 5: young gun, but like a fresh blood who hasn't really

522
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 5: been in the big fights, and he's like now you're

523
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 5: finally getting to see him in.

524
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: The big things.

525
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 5: Because with like Raphael Phazi, for instance, like going against

526
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 5: Justin Gaichee, I remember, I was like that he's going

527
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 5: against the guy who's on his way out and this

528
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 5: guy's on his way up in Physie and they fight

529
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 5: twice and both times Geichee wins this fight. You almost

530
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 5: understood physique Like I feel like that that established like

531
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 5: like his baseline are okay, we understand now that maybe

532
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 5: he's not cut out for the top. It really was informative.

533
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 5: And then when you look at a guy like Ben

534
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 5: while Saint Denis who like took on you know, uh,

535
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 5: Dustin Pourier in that fight, and you see him kind

536
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 5: of falter and all of a sudden gas himself out

537
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden he's getting beat Like he's

538
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 5: not the youngest guy, but like he's the fresh face,

539
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 5: the guy who's coming up. He has way less experience

540
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 5: and way less fights in the UFC, and you feel

541
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: like they hit these markers and you're like, okay, now

542
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 5: we gauge them for real, like we find out can

543
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 5: is this guy really ready for the upper echelon?

544
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 6: And that's kind of what we're at with this one man.

545
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 5: And just like in all those cases I felt, and

546
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 5: especially the Volkanovsky case, Strickland held court, you know what

547
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 5: I mean, like, and that's that's one of those things

548
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 5: when you when you see it, you're like, hey, man,

549
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 5: like you can you can think of what you want

550
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 5: about a guy like that. But as a fighter, it's

551
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 5: very validating to kind of show at thirty four years old,

552
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 5: to show up and put on that performance.

553
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: Now, one of my rules is that when a fighter wins,

554
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's their turn to say what they want

555
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: to say before the fight. I'm a little bit less

556
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: interested in that, but certainly after the fight, if you win,

557
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: it's your turn to talk. Interestingly enough, they cut his

558
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: mic at the post fight press conference to take a look.

559
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 7: At this You got Colby like the pretend you know,

560
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 7: the pretend Republican, but like, who's really like entertaining? You

561
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 7: got Jamaia of the fucking go fucker, Like, who's really

562
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 7: who's really entertaining in this division?

563
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: Nobody?

564
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 7: So good?

565
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: Oh that's wrap. Anyway, this straight.

566
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: Up cut his mic. That should have done that in

567
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: the here's my reaction to this, which is two things.

568
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: One people were like, oh, no way UFC would do this.

569
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: Paramount did this. No chance, Not a chance on earth

570
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: that the UFC gets told to cut a fighter's mic

571
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: by the media partner. If you know anything about the UFC,

572
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: especially the UFC, you know that that is not even

573
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: something you could contemplate. Not a chance that's happening. Number one.

574
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: Number two, Chuck, I think that there actually might be

575
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more going on here. In other words,

576
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: Dana made comments we'll look at those in just a

577
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: second where he was saying, oh, you know, it's a

578
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: nightmare to deal with, and he blames the media. We'll

579
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: take a look at it just a second. But the

580
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: bigger point is he was going after one of the coaches,

581
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: Jim West, who was the head corner there for Fluffy

582
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: Hernandez and I guess he. I don't follow the personal

583
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: lives of anyone in MMA in any so this was

584
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: news to me that I guess he's dating Aspen Ladder

585
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: or they had at some point in a romantic relationship.

586
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: And then Sean makes an accusations against him, which I'm

587
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: not even going to repeat. But the point I'm trying

588
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: to make is it's at least worth considering the UFC

589
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: because it was just before this clip he was doing it,

590
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: then he gets into the Chimaya of part and then

591
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: they cut it. It's at least worth considering that. Maybe

592
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: they cut it a little late, yes, but to protect

593
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: them from him being sued potentially or the UFC from

594
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: being named in a suit for Jim West from Jim Well,

595
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Jim West is going to do it.

596
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying that might have been preventative on that side,

597
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: rather than Hey, we're just tired of his speech and

598
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: we're going to cut it. What's your read on this situation?

599
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I dude, I like, I've talked to

600
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: the UFC back, you know, a long time ago before

601
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 5: he ever got a title shot, and he was being

602
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 5: you know, he was kind of working his weapon, and

603
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 5: I'm like, is there hesitation to kind of put him

604
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 5: in this spot because you have a loose cannon essentially

605
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 5: on the microphone. Who's going to offend a lot of people?

606
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 5: And they're like yes. They were basically like, yes, this

607
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: is a concern of ours. So this isn't something new.

608
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 5: And you know, do you remember UFC one hundred Brocklesner, Right,

609
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 5: Like Brocklesner, he comes in, he gets the big victory

610
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 5: of Frank mar Revenge is the previous loss. He gets

611
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 5: up there and he started So bud Light was their

612
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 5: connection to the rest of the sporting role. Bud Light

613
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 5: was the most legitimate thing in the UFC at that

614
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: time other than making it to that Hallmark event. Right,

615
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: and he says, I'm gonna go drink some corps Light

616
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 5: because bud Light don't pay me. And he says this

617
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 5: whole spiel, remember this, And it was like, you can

618
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 5: say anything, you can say anything, but when you start

619
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 5: going at the moneyman, Dana White had to track him

620
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 5: down backstage three you know whatever it is, two hundred

621
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 5: and eighty five three hund pounds man go in his

622
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 5: face and get in his face and basically yell at

623
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 5: him like and reprimand him about that. And this was

624
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 5: a big deal at that time because you know bud

625
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: Light being what is Sean Strickland and the pre Like,

626
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 5: when Dana's pissed off, he's probably pissed off only at

627
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: the Paramount Plus. Really when he's like Paramount plus and

628
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 5: he was like, yeah, man, they ruined Halo, and you know,

629
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 5: he starts going on about fuck fuck them and all

630
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 5: this stuff, and I'm like, that's the shit that will

631
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 5: really piss Dane off is when you go at the moneyman,

632
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 5: the people, you know, especially this early in the relationship.

633
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: I feel like all the rest of that stuff they

634
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: try to live with, but that's the stuff that really

635
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: gets them.

636
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Can I tell you, I don't believe it actually bothers them.

637
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: They might say that to you, I'm not telling you

638
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: that you're dying, but then they use it promotionally. Then

639
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: Connor does insane stuff like Connor gets it. Connor gets

640
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: found liable for sexual assault in Ireland and their response is,

641
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: why would you even ask me a question about that?

642
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: I know, why would I? Yeah, here's why I would

643
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 5: ask you about it. I don't know nothing about that

644
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 5: you know, he just yeah, what is that?

645
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't listen to hip hop? You know, it's like

646
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: what and so you know, it's like and then when

647
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Speaker 1: they when Sean was in Australia, they turned it into

648
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Speaker 1: a thing they wanted to promote, like, oh, come see

649
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: this guy get you know, messed up. They took the

650
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Speaker 1: front page of the Australian media reacting to Sean and

651
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: like this. I don't know what the evidence would be

652
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: that they're actually bothered by it. Again, This one, to

653
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: me is interesting because I'm I'm guessing that it's lawsuit related,

654
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know that either could be. But I

655
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: just don't actually buy that they're sick of his speech.

656
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: I really don't. I'm sorry to tell you that.

657
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 5: But do you think that like the Paramount, Like, I mean,

658
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 5: I feel like that's the point. I'm sure paramount is

659
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 5: like what the fuck is this?

660
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Right? But it's like, dude, y'all paid seven point seven

661
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: billion for this. This was not the first time Strickland

662
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: has done this, you know what I mean. It's like

663
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: fucking tons of tape on this.

664
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Speaker 5: It's not like and each time it's crazier and crazier, right,

665
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 5: Like and the Toronto thing. It was like it was

666
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 5: out of hand. But yeah, you're d you know, blaming uh,

667
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 5: blaming us.

668
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you if you ask dumb questions.

669
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Speaker 8: I don't think a lot of people expected Strickland to

670
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 8: look as good as.

671
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: He did tonight.

672
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Speaker 6: I know the answer to this.

673
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: But right when you look at Strickland and what comes

674
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: next to him, you know he's calling for a hams

675
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: At fight stuff like that. There's no like what he

676
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: says during media day and things of that that doesn't

677
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: affect your booking of him, right, you're still happy to

678
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: put him in.

679
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 8: Those It's a nightmare at the time. Mean, but you

680
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 8: guys don't help asking him dumb shit. You know, ask

681
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 8: dumb shit, You're gonna get dumb shit. Would you think

682
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 8: of bad Buddy? Would you think of the Super Bowl?

683
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 8: The fuck out of here? You're fucking kidding me. Yeah,

684
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 8: So when you talk about what Strickland says, you guys

685
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 8: like to push the buttons.

686
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: Fair enough, chuck your reaction.

687
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 5: Did the media bring up bad Bunny? I'm asking you,

688
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 5: did they bring up bad Bunny?

689
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: So my understanding is my understanding is some of it

690
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: was brought up that he went into but a lot

691
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: of it was also just Sean taking liberties. Yeah, Riz Zone. Yeah,

692
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of the point, right, because even in other situations,

693
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: you'll ask him like, hey, here's a standard question about

694
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: blow so and so, and then they'll answer it and

695
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: then just going on a tangent, you know what I mean.

696
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the bottom line is we work in

697
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 5: the media, and everybody knows how it works. You're going

698
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 5: to ask questions that get, you know, to provoke a response,

699
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 5: and especially with a guy like that, you're gonna set

700
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: him up. You're gonna let him trip over himself if

701
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 5: he needs to, like they're going to do that, and

702
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 5: but to reprimand them, like it's like you can't do

703
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: an equal reprimand on this. It's like the you know,

704
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 5: you have a guy an independent contract, not employeed, but

705
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 5: like you have a guy that is representing your company,

706
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 5: and if you're going to reprimand anybody, it's got to

707
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 5: be him, right, Like it's you gotta say, hey, man,

708
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: tone it down. I know they've had this discussion with

709
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 5: him in the past, but it's it seems funny because

710
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 5: it's almost like guys don't ask him question. I mean,

711
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 5: that's ridiculous, right, Like, don't ask him questions where it

712
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 5: might be a trigger for him to go off on

713
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 5: a tangent. That's just that's like, that's like.

714
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: It's an impossible state. It's impossible to meet that. It's impossible.

715
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 6: You know.

716
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 5: It's like, it's not the Meetia's fault that he is

717
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 5: a loose cannon. I mean, it's just the dude's gonna

718
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 5: say it anyway. Even if you didn't ask him something

719
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 5: directly that you know you're trying to get some crazy response,

720
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: he's gonna take it there. He's done it a million times.

721
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Can I tell you how many times I've talked to

722
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: media members at major outlets who've done interviews with him

723
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: during five weeks. This is like not a new thing

724
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: at all. And then they do the interview and then

725
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: they can't use it because he would go off on

726
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: tangents about muslums or something like that, and they're like, well,

727
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: we can't use it of this. This has happened. I've

728
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: heard this kind of story from people who work in

729
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: major media outlets for years. At this point, it is

730
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: hardly new. But it's not even the point. My point

731
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: is just this, it's like it's like, Dana, what is

732
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: it that you expect from the class of media that

733
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: you have curried, favored with and or rejected. What is

734
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: it you expect? I mean, I'm not defending all the

735
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: questions that they asked. I think a lot of them

736
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: are stupid and useless and otherwise a waste of time.

737
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: But the ones who don't do that, you guys have

738
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: mutumboed for years at this point like this is just

739
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: what you have left yourself with, you know. And then

740
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: other part too, is it's like, okay, well then if

741
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: you ask other kinds of good questions that are questioning

742
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: of power, they don't like that, you know what I mean,

743
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, what they just basically look, listen, here's

744
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: the reality. And this is this is to me like

745
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: why partly I stopped going to events, but also definitely

746
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: stop going to press conferences, which is what they want

747
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: the media to do. And a press conference is like

748
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: a perfect example. A press conference does not I mean,

749
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 1: on occasion, it can. In general, it is not designed

750
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: to have the fans there. And my point is I

751
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: don't even have a problem with the fans being there,

752
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: but it doesn't become a press conference at that point

753
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: it becomes a pep rally and or or you know,

754
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: some other kind of performative act for the public. And

755
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, I swear to God,

756
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: I have no I have no uh, I have no

757
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: opposition to that. It's totally fine. But if you want

758
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: the media to interview the fighters, uh in a way

759
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: that like generates anything worth a shit of actual interest, uh,

760
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: it has to be one or the other. And what

761
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: they want the media to do is to be performative.

762
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Who like you ever seen the volleyball You get, like

763
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: what three hits a side. You get one to catch it,

764
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: one to push the ball over, and then one for

765
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: the guys spike three hits the side. What they want

766
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: you to do is be the guy that pushes the

767
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: ball up so then the other guy can come and

768
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: smack it. That's what they want. They want you to

769
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: serve as a de facto piece of the ufc PR

770
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: machine rather than what your job is. And if you

771
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: go either on the frivolous side, hey, hey, shol always

772
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: think about bad money. I admit it is a stupid question,

773
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: I certainly.

774
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 6: Find but you know you're gonna get yeah, yeah, But.

775
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: On the other side, if you go even the other

776
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: way where you're challenging power, well then you also get

777
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: you your your job to them is to play a

778
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: very very narrow role of helping them advance their interests.

779
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: Anything to the contrary of that they lose their mind.

780
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 5: Well, they whittle away everything, like you said, and they

781
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 5: keep what they consider the arm of their own brand,

782
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: right like they they just wanted to kind of stand.

783
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 5: I can remember going to uh, you know, UFC's in

784
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 5: the one hundreds, you know, like below before UFC one fifty, say,

785
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 5: and the UFC people would they were very very chummy

786
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 5: and they would come up and they be, hey, can

787
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 5: you uh can you ask you know, John Fitch a question?

788
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: Can you because nobody appear right.

789
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 5: They want you to cut, they want you to participate,

790
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 5: and I get all that, I get all that, but

791
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 5: like there's nothing to say that They're not going to

792
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 5: be like, hey can we uh you know, there's an

793
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 5: expectation in place at some point to kind of make

794
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 5: it more of an entertainment thing, right like, so especially

795
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 5: with the life crowd. So the way it's the vault

796
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 5: is not surprising as all. I'm trying to say, you

797
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 5: know and now also when Dana said, dude, do you

798
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 5: ever see pulp fiction? When with Samuel Jackson's like, if

799
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 5: my answers frighten you, Vincent, maybe you should cease ask

800
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: and scary questions.

801
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 6: You remember that.

802
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 5: It's like that some reason I heard that. When he's

803
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 5: talking about that, I'm like, dude, it's just not the

804
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 5: way it works. You know, it's not the way it works.

805
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 5: You have, like you have a guy and it's almost

806
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 5: he's almost like this momentum like it's almost like a

807
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 5: comedy where somebody's like they mortify themselves more and more

808
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 5: the more they talk, and they're like, oh my.

809
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 6: God, why am I saying that?

810
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 5: But he never has that moment of self reflection, or

811
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 5: if he does, you know, he's he's like he's then

812
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 5: he's becoming like that try hard type of guy who's

813
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 5: just gonna roll it out as long as far.

814
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: As he can, right, yeah, oh yeah, that's the best

815
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: part is like, you know, the the issue is not

816
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: necessarily what Strickland said, but that's someone asked him. It's like, yeah,

817
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's how personal responsibility works,

818
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: but what do I know? All right? Question Number two,

819
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: let's talk about what might be next for the winner

820
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: and also Hernandez two. To an extent, let's let's focus

821
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: on Strickland. So now that Strickland has that's the Hernandez

822
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: and did so with authority, Chuck, the question for you

823
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: is what should the UFC do with the matchmaking for

824
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: the middleweight title. So here's the issue. Now, Sardini Imovov

825
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: has won five fights in a row, while Strickland is

826
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: coming off of certainly a very excellent win, but it

827
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: is numerically technically speaking, it's on a one fight win streak.

828
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: It's not even a streak. You gotta win two that

829
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be a streak. So should UFC not? Will not? Could?

830
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: Question is Chuck should should the UFC grant Strickland a

831
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: title shot?

832
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 6: The should part?

833
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 5: Right like, I no, I feel like Imovov has like

834
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: put himself in that position. I know he has the loss,

835
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 5: and I guess if you wanted to do the strict math, like,

836
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 5: he has that loss, but it did come out of

837
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 5: two hundred and five pounds, right like that was a

838
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 5: different different time, different weight class. Strickland did beat him,

839
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 5: So I guess you could point that out if you're

840
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 5: trying to justify it, but generally speaking, if you're just

841
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: looking at what's been happening over the last couple of

842
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 5: years within the division, Imovov has put himself in that

843
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 5: position that the problem is that you now have two guys,

844
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: and I guess this isn't really a problem, like you

845
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 5: have two guys who are competing for the same space.

846
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 5: The UFC is gonna have to make a decision. But

847
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: it's like Sean Strickland's concerns are actually legit on this one,

848
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 5: and that Shamaiev doesn't really fight all that off and

849
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 5: he started off fighting a lot, but now that he's

850
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 5: the champion, I don't get the sense that he wants

851
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 5: to fight more than like maybe once a year. He's

852
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 5: got a lot of different Obviously, he had his visa issues.

853
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 5: Hopefully those are resolved with the what's going on in

854
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 5: our presidency and all that, Like he's got that resolve.

855
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 5: But you know, he's one of those guys, he's the

856
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 5: Ramadan thing. He's got a lot of He's frequently injured

857
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 5: or dealing with something. So to get him in there

858
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 5: and whoever gets that shot, you know it's going to

859
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 5: be you better make the most of it, right, Like,

860
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 5: you better make the most of it. And Imovov has

861
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 5: put himself in that spot. I'm just like, if you're

862
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 5: saying the should in the meritocracy sense, he's the guy.

863
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 6: But I don't.

864
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 5: I know, the UFC doesn't operate, so they don't operate

865
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 5: off as should right Like we saw that in the

866
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 5: first couple of pay.

867
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 6: Per views or numbered cards to start the year.

868
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: Here's here's the issue for me. It's like, again on paper,

869
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: whose resume. I mean, Sean's got a better resume because

870
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: he was a champion, obviously, But I'm saying in terms

871
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: of okay, we're asking who has put together the requisite

872
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: amount and type of wins in the middleweight division to

873
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: be the most deserving of a title shot. If we're

874
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: asking that question, the answer is only Imovov. But here's

875
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: the problem for me, Chuck, this is the issue. Number one.

876
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: We've kind of talked about the fact that the UFC

877
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: really is looking around the American landscape and they're saying

878
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: to themselves it's a little bearing out here. We got

879
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: to do something to promote some of the interests of

880
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: the of the American market to to you know, for

881
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: any number of reasons, and so that's obviously going to

882
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: benefit Sean. The fact number two that they have a

883
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: history together training, beefing with one another. You know whereas

884
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: Imovovin and Hamzad I think are not not suit Well,

885
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: they've been chummy at times, but you know they're not.

886
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: It's certain you're certainly not going to get the heated

887
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: rivalry that war with Strickland. Here's the other problem I

888
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: have with Imovov. I don't know if I would pick

889
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: either Strickland or Imovov to beat Jamayev. But if I

890
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: had to pick one of them to beat Jamayev, it's

891
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: definitely Strickland. Yeah, that is I just don't believe Imovov

892
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: can beat them. And that and the problem with that logic, Chuck.

893
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: And this is the really wetest situation is so sticky

894
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: is that like you got to be as a matchmaker

895
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: and a promoter. Your job is to put on the

896
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: fights that people want to pay money to see. That's

897
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: the job. But you have to honor some level of

898
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: meritocracy to kind of keep the whole thing together. But

899
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: of course you can go outside of that all the time.

900
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: This is a weird situation, Chuck, because they didn't give

901
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: it to Arman curryukin they gave an opportunity to Patty

902
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: and that was outside the meritocratic system. Same thing at

903
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: one five on this one. But if they went with

904
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: the guy who was the most meritocratic, to me, it's

905
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: the least suspenseful. How Ever, you can't award title shots

906
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: based on what you think all the time. Anyway, Oh,

907
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: this will just be more fun, Like a champion has

908
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: got to defend on some level against the most deserving guy.

909
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: So like, don't get me wrong, if they put Strickland

910
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: in that fight, I'll be like, well, this is a

911
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: much better fight. At least in theory, it's a much

912
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: better fight. But at the same time, it's like, I

913
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: don't know what. They can't solve both of their problems

914
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: at once. They can't solve a problem of like we

915
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: got to be down the line with the matchmaking, or

916
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: we got to make the fights that are the most compelling.

917
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: This one there, I think in direct contradiction with each other.

918
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 5: And you know what, if they're going to make em above,

919
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 5: wouldn't they already be like wouldn't they already kind of

920
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 5: be making it Like, wouldn't they Like I feel like

921
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 5: they're waiting to see. Now, maybe it was from a

922
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 5: Fluffy from that perspective of like if Fluffy gets through whatever,

923
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: But when a guy comes through like this, and we

924
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 5: know the recency bias obviously of the the the UFC

925
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 5: and the fan base, like if he gets through on

926
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 5: a fight like this, suddenly you know people are talking

927
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 5: about you again. This version of Sean Strickland is very

928
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 5: fun to think about. But I do I think if

929
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 5: you're looking at straight from like blood feud and I

930
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 5: point this out, and I don't know if it's just

931
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 5: me like a figment of my imagination, but the Paramount

932
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 5: Plus thing seems like they're bringing more like it's more cinematic.

933
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 5: It's almost like they're trying to kind of have it.

934
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 5: Wouldn't go so far as say like the w W storylines,

935
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 5: but they love these feuds, right, I feel like this

936
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 5: is what they're embracing. And if you're doing that, then

937
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 5: the Sean Strickland, I mean, it is fun to think

938
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 5: if you take out all the hatred and misogyny and

939
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: all that, it's fun to think of him just focusing

940
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 5: on a guy like Shemaiah and you know the levels

941
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 5: of irritation and disrespect that he would do that. That's

942
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 5: fun because right now you have a guy who looks

943
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 5: invincible in that division. So if you put those two

944
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 5: things together in terms of a hype package, I think

945
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 5: that that would that would be the seller.

946
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Right, Let's go to our friend Long Island Luke here

947
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: for just a second, Long Island Luke, how do you

948
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: solve this problem? How do you figure out a way

949
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: what is the right answer to On the one hand,

950
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: one guy is from the traditional ways in which we

951
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: measure eligibility. One guy has got a better case than

952
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: the other. But the guy who's got the worst case

953
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: has a much better case for a bigger fight and

954
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: a better fight.

955
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: As in the end, I kind of disagree with you.

956
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be a better fight

957
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: than I Mavov, like, I think Amavov is kind of underrated.

958
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: I'm not giving either guy a chance against Tamayo. That's

959
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: just the reality. I think Strickland's gonna get his ask kick,

960
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: and I think Amavov's gonna get his ass kicked. And

961
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: when I say ask kicked, he might just get laid

962
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: on for twenty five minutes. But you know what I mean,

963
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: I don't favor either guy in that, so, like I'm

964
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 3: of the old belief, give it to Imvov he deserves it.

965
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: Sean doesn't fucking deserve it Off of one win. I

966
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: put a pole in the chat. Who does everyone think

967
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: Sean should fight next? It's overwhelmingly Hamzad, But personally I

968
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 3: think it should be winner of RDR Bohalio get another

969
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: solid win in that, and then that's the right thing.

970
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean. I can't even argue with the logic of it.

971
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: I just can't chuck, you know what I mean. I

972
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: can't say anything like yes, that probably would make more sense,

973
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: but I disagree with long Island. Like I don't see

974
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: Chimaya of laying on Strickland for twenty five minutes. I

975
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: can see him laying on on on Imovov for twenty

976
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: five minutes. I don't see it that way.

977
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 5: Because you think Strickland would put up too much of

978
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 5: a resistance like he would not be or do you

979
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 5: think he would fight a different fight?

980
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: I think he was. What I think is could I

981
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: see a world where he is largely controlled through that

982
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: so that you know he doesn't get enough offense for

983
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: it to really even matter. Sure, but like flat on

984
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: his back, like you saw his DVP. No, I don't.

985
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: I just don't buy that. Whereas Imovov Mavov has been

986
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: taken down a lot, has been held down a lot

987
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: like yeah, I don't buy that at all. Let's put

988
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: up some of these. Let's put up you know what,

989
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this a little bit. Let's talk about

990
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: Strickland on On potentially facing im because remember Strickland's gotta

991
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: win over imov right, what if Strickland has to fight

992
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: him again for whatever? Here's the question. If if Hamzat's

993
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: not ready, then what they might end up doing is

994
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: a rematch between Strickland and Imovov for the interim title.

995
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 1: Strickland kind of talks not so much about the interim

996
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: title per se, but the rematch.

997
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 5: There's a tweet, an interesting tweet that came out from

998
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 5: your pal, mister nasadinam evolved.

999
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: He says, my dream bring me the clown for the crown.

1000
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 7: Listen, dude, I've moved past you. You know you uh

1001
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 7: I beat you. Relax, Either you get the belt or

1002
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 7: I get the belt. Once you get the bell, take

1003
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 7: it from you. Once I get the belt, you loose

1004
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 7: to me.

1005
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: Not that interested in it fair enough. Yeah, but here

1006
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: is now Sean talking about training with Hamzad Sedd.

1007
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 6: He tapped you out. That's why you hate it, bro.

1008
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 7: I made him quit training witnesses in the audience, Where

1009
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 7: where's air again?

1010
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: I made him quit.

1011
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 7: We're doing positional grappling, all right, start on my back,

1012
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 7: and I was like, first round, I let him fucking

1013
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 7: choke me because it's like, like, no one gives a fuck.

1014
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 7: Let me tell you about this little bitch. I'll tell

1015
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 7: you when I walk into a gym. Do you think

1016
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 7: that I go find the little weakest man. I say,

1017
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 7: let's spar I say no, I go find the biggest,

1018
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 7: baddest motherfucker. I'm like, hey, I want to spar you.

1019
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 7: Every time Chamaia would walk in the gym, he would

1020
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 7: pick the smallest, lowest level pro and say, but oh

1021
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 7: he he, he looks like my opponent. You're beating the

1022
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 7: fuck out of it. And this is a true story.

1023
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 7: You guys could back me up my team. Chamaiav's a

1024
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 7: fucking bully and if you notice what he does in

1025
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 7: the division, he just runs and fucking hides. Oh now

1026
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 7: I want to go to two oh five and fight

1027
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 7: fucking year. Here's not even the fucking champ. Dude, you

1028
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 7: just run and fucking hide. You did it when you

1029
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 7: train with us, and you're doing the fucking division now.

1030
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, but that's a lot

1031
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: more interesting, yeah than the pitch for Nessardini movel what

1032
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, It's well, yeah, inherently far more interesting to me.

1033
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: And this, of course is Chimaia's response, Habibi, calm down.

1034
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: I destroyed the guy who beat you twice, American bitch,

1035
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: which is also true. He also he also was way

1036
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: better than the guy that sewn Shirkland went ten rounds

1037
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: with and could not defeat. I don't know, like this is.

1038
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do, Chuck.

1039
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: This is why, this is this is my problem, Chruck.

1040
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: This this is why when in a lesser situation, when

1041
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: you have a chance to give a title shot to

1042
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: a guy, you should do it, because here you have

1043
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: a situation where a guy is very deserving of it,

1044
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: but the guy who's not as deserving of it is

1045
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: such an obviously better choice for the fight. But now

1046
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: it just doubles down on the mistakes they've been making

1047
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: in other divisions to give guys title shots that they

1048
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: didn't deserve. So it feels like a little bit of

1049
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: continuity there in the end. But you know, I don't

1050
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: think the fans will care. I really don't know.

1051
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 5: I understand of the three that we're talking about, Shamia,

1052
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 5: Beam of Bov and Strickland, which one do you think

1053
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 5: that the UFC is like we most want to be

1054
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 5: in business with, you know.

1055
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 6: What I'm saying, because you get Strickland.

1056
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 5: He moves the needle, but it's like it comes with

1057
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 5: such a such a bag of asterisks, right, like you're like,

1058
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 5: oh my god, this guy like he does all these

1059
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 5: things we have hums out, which I think is like

1060
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 5: he carries that mystique that weird what if. But also

1061
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: he's he doesn't fight often, you know what I mean.

1062
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 5: Like it's just it feels like it's kind of he

1063
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 5: dies on the vine a little bit by the time

1064
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 5: that goes by and then they move off. Who's just

1065
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 5: really has the you know, he has been very good,

1066
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 5: like that Israel out of son. Youa fight when he

1067
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 5: knocked him ot with the right hand or he hit

1068
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 5: him with that right hand should have delivered him. Then

1069
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,959
Speaker 5: man he's had some good fights, but he doesn't really

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Speaker 5: move the needle in that way, right, and they're they're

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Speaker 5: kind of trying to move away like that's what Otherwise

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Speaker 5: Armin Serukin would have had the shot. But like in

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Speaker 5: your mind, what's the like it? So out of that three,

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Speaker 5: they want to be with Shamaia, right, they want him

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Speaker 5: to retain no matter what.

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Speaker 1: Probably, but I mean do there's there's a problem each

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Speaker 1: way you look here, it's a problem for the UFC

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Speaker 1: and also an opportunity, but a problem. So as you

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Speaker 1: unicated Strickland, who is American certainly, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: last yeah, six or seven years, he certainly is. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think they love him. So there's obviously attraction to

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Speaker 1: the fan base. As you mentioned rivalry with Shamaiev. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think stands a better chance, not not a great chance,

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Speaker 1: but a better chance certainly than I Mavov. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Mavov doesn't move the needle at all, would be important

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Speaker 1: for the French market, but I don't know exactly how

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Speaker 1: important that is in the broader scope of things. And

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Speaker 1: then Shamaia Chamaiev has got this electricity around him dot

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Speaker 1: that gonna be? You know what I mean. So it's

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Speaker 1: just a really, really difficult situate. And Strickland is largely

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Speaker 1: reliable in that way too, in the sense of, you know,

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Speaker 1: being ready to go compete. You know, I guess now

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Speaker 1: I'll you less of that, But historically anyway, he's been

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say that Shamaav would be the guy

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Speaker 5: you know, it's funny because Strickland we in a in

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Speaker 5: just but did you hear them chanting like his name

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Speaker 6: The crowd's rooting for him. It's a confusing situation.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 5: So if anybody's gonna turn him into a like a

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Speaker 1: Samaiah would absolutely yeah, especially if you went the you

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry anti yeah American, the scene, man, it could

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Speaker 1: Audio limited time offer. I didn't mention this, Chuck. This

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Speaker 1: I meant to mention it. We are going to be

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Speaker 1: in studio next week, if my memory serves yes, finally,

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00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: finally gonna be back in the studio. So long Island,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be me, Chuck and Jed, Is that right correct?

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Speaker 3: Pregame preview is beautiful altogether let's go finally.

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Speaker 1: Man, I gotta tell you it's been it's been nice

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00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: to not be on Amtrak as much. And I gotta

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00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: say I've also the winter here was terrible, but it

1153
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: was even worse in New York. I'm glad that I

1154
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: missed the worst of it, but it'll be It'll be

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00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: nice to get back, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a minute, But the Acela train, I

1157
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 5: think they fixed all the problems.

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Speaker 6: Man, You're gonna be pleasantly surprised when you know, I.

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00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: Think I think you'll be surprised. I think there Amtrak

1160
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: is doing this bit where they're rolling out all these

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00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: new trains.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I love that, mercilessly go at them on

1163
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Speaker 5: social media.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say that I have sources, and this

1166
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: is I'm not exaggerating. I have sources within the rail industry,

1167
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: let's call it. And by chuck, I don't mean pornography,

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Speaker 1: all right, the actual yes, Oh fuck off off, My

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Speaker 1: joke is good to dad, Get that ready. What I

1170
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Speaker 1: was gonna say is they tell me my sources that

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00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: the new trains break down constantly, perhaps as much or

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Speaker 1: even more than the fleet of trains that they were replacing. Now,

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Speaker 1: the one big benefit is that your electrical outlet you

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Speaker 1: don't have to reach across the person next to you

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Speaker 1: to plug it in. Each seat has one Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: an upgrade, But the seat itself, the back of the seat,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't recline. The bottom of the seat just slides forward,

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Speaker 1: so you'll sit like this, and then the recline is

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Speaker 1: just putting your butt forward and now your chin is

1180
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Speaker 1: all Like, I was, like, whose idea was it to

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Speaker 1: not recline seats? What the fuck? They reclined seats on

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Speaker 1: on Spirit airlines and they don't reply seats.

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Speaker 6: That's bad when you're making that comparison, you know.

1184
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: Fuck track. How about all right, let's talk about the

1185
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: rest of topic number three of that UFC Fight Night

1186
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: strictly Hernandez main card. We will get to the prelim card.

1187
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: I assure you, however, the main card did. To me,

1188
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: the previm card was dreadful. Beyond words, the main card

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00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: to me, certainly, the main event delivered, and there were

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00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: some other great highlights along the way. I in general

1191
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: did not have much of a problem with the main card.

1192
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Like I said, in general, delivered. So

1193
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the interesting parts about this.

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Speaker 1: So my question to you, Chuck, in this co main event,

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00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about the career of

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Speaker 1: Jeff Neil. He gave a tough fight to Rochmanov, he

1197
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: gave a tough fight to Gary. He's given guys a

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00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: lot of tough fights, even in situations where he's lost.

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Speaker 1: And he's been a dynamic puncher certainly through the majority

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Speaker 1: of his career. But now we're talking about back to back,

1201
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: not just losses, not just stoppage losses, vicious ko losses.

1202
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: In fact, I think we've got this one where he

1203
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: got the literal snot knocked out of him, just a

1204
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: terrible look. You gotta feel bad for the guy. But

1205
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, while a nice win for Meticch, certainly he

1206
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: did what Metitch always does. My question is is this

1207
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: the end of the line for Jeff Neil? What do

1208
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: you think?

1209
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I think it might be in the sense

1210
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Speaker 5: like too, this was a guy who you know, he

1211
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 5: was working as a as a waiter up and I

1212
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 5: don't know if he was still doing it. I mean,

1213
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Speaker 5: he was doing it for the big portion of his career,

1214
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 5: like he just didn't give it up in the Dallas

1215
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 5: area there, and you know, you'd talk to him and

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00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 5: I felt like he you know, he would admit like

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00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 5: at some point like I'm probably not taking the fighting

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00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 5: as seriously as I should have. I'm probably you know,

1219
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 5: partying a little too much. And I know he went

1220
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Speaker 5: public with this, So it really came down to, like

1221
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 5: when he starts losing because he'd lost a couple of fights.

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00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 5: They weren't they weren't vicious knockouts, but like a couple

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00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 5: of fights he had a nice victory I think against RDA,

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00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 5: but then that knockout that you're mentioning, and then followed

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00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 5: by this, you kind of run out of those, you know,

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 5: those kind of excuses, I think.

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Speaker 6: But it's also the shot that floored him.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: Like sometimes you see a guy get knocked out and

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Speaker 5: it's like you, I don't know how to explain it.

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00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 5: They look so vicious, their brain is just shutting down

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00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 5: at the first, you know, the first feel of that,

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Speaker 5: And I just at some point, man.

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Speaker 6: You you do want you do worry about a guy

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Speaker 6: like that.

1236
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Speaker 5: I and I think that we've seen kind of I

1237
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 5: don't I don't you tell me too like I there

1238
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 5: was a moment maybe a few years ago where I

1239
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Speaker 5: was like, well, maybe Jeff new can be a player

1240
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 5: in this division, but I'm not sure what his I'm

1241
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 5: not sure. I think he's perfectly kind of situated in

1242
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 5: the just below the top ten or like maybe from

1243
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Speaker 5: eight to whatever, somewhere in that range, like in that division,

1244
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 5: but like, he never he never struck me as a

1245
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 5: guy who's going to be a title holder, And so

1246
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 5: it was it's just hard, man, because you see a

1247
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 5: guy like that. I remember talking to him a bunch

1248
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 5: of times early on in his career after that Camacho fight,

1249
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Speaker 5: especially where he had kicked him, and just thinking like, a.

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Speaker 6: What a fun fighter.

1251
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 5: But when you see guys getting knocked out like that,

1252
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 5: it's tough, dude, It is tough. That was a bad one,

1253
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 5: and we had a couple of them on this card,

1254
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 5: but that one was tough to watch.

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Speaker 1: And it was a nice punch from Metich for sure,

1256
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Speaker 1: but it didn't seem like the kind that would have

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Speaker 1: that reaction.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I guess yeah, see, he seemed almost a

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Speaker 5: pro like he was like, oh wow, that was it, huh.

1260
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Speaker 1: I don't think the power was super crazy, but the

1261
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: power was certainly sufficient, obviously. Yeah, it was a lot location.

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00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: It was right in the side of that Yeah, like

1263
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: kind of not quite in the temple, but it's a

1264
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: little bit on that sort of softer edge right here.

1265
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: He kind of hit him right there, and that was

1266
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: enough to close the show. Thirty five, by the way,

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Speaker 1: will be thirty six in August.

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Speaker 5: Right, you remember, you remember when I forget what UFC

1269
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Speaker 5: it was, but it was like the one where Franklin

1270
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: and Laddell, Ladell's last UFC fight, he breaks his he

1271
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 5: breaks his left hand. I think it was right because

1272
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 5: he was a south paw and at the end of

1273
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 5: that round he kind of hits him with the right hand,

1274
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 5: and the way Laddell goes out, it's just like his

1275
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 5: brain was like, Nope, I'm not dealing with anymore of this.

1276
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 5: That's kind of what it reminded me of. And I'm

1277
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Speaker 5: not saying that he's like been He's definitely not been

1278
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 5: to the amount of wars as Laddell, but that's what

1279
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 5: it reminded me of. It's just like the kind of

1280
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 5: punchry you're like, whow, that probably shouldn't have knocked him out,

1281
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 5: you know, it was.

1282
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: Like he got remember that scene in the Matrix were

1283
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: switching apoc get unplugged. Yes, and they're like not like this,

1284
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: Yes exactly they almost It's kind of kind of like

1285
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: that nice win by eerrosh Metich. Certainly he earned himself

1286
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: a big opportunity, great win. He did what he was

1287
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: supposed to do. I just wonder about what's next, what's

1288
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: left for Jeff Neil we got.

1289
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 5: Mentioned by the way, Like, isn't that like all his

1290
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 5: victories have been by tk or Ko, like all of

1291
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 5: his I think all eight of his victory It's crazy, man.

1292
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: The dude's well, he will live or he will die.

1293
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: On that sort, he admits that uh Melki costa dude.

1294
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: This guy had a tremendous twenty twenty five and becomes

1295
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: now the first guy to I think, certainly in the

1296
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: UFC anyway to stop Dan Egay with strikes in his

1297
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: biggest win to date. What exactly his spinning backkick right

1298
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: to the sort of jaw slashed face, ma exactly sure

1299
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: how far I got up his face, but just tremendous

1300
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: and again dealing with pressure really well, chuck your reaction

1301
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: to this phenomenal run that Melki Costa appears to be.

1302
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 5: On Well we were talking about I don't know his age,

1303
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 5: he's how old is he? Like, he's not like, he's

1304
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 5: not a super like, he's he's another one of these

1305
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 5: guys who's coming he's young. Yeah, he's young. So it's

1306
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 5: like he's another ones guy's coming up. And this is

1307
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 5: one of the instances where the young guy gets by

1308
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 5: the litmus test of a guy who's kind of a

1309
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 5: veteran who's yeah, so he got that's this is what

1310
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 5: you kind of want to see, right, Like you get

1311
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 5: a surging prospect or however you want to say, a

1312
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 5: blue chip guy who's coming up and you know he

1313
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 5: should maybe be able to make a run at it.

1314
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 5: He gets a guy like Danny Gay and he does

1315
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 5: what he's supposed to do. That that was a beautiful

1316
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 5: that that kick was beautiful, man, And I you know,

1317
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 5: it's like it's one of those performances that you what

1318
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 5: is it that you kind of establish yourself right that

1319
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 5: you belong in the conversation. Because Danny Gay has stayed

1320
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 5: up there for a long time. A big portion of

1321
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 5: his career, he was still hovering in that top ten space.

1322
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 5: So I feel like it's that it's that moment, and

1323
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 5: he shined in it, you know, in the biggest possible way.

1324
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought he looked absolutely tremendous, throwing a lot

1325
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: of kicks and then switching it up the way he

1326
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: did against a guy like Danny Gay, who again I

1327
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: said it was up. I wasn't sure if it was

1328
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: first uh in the UFC or not first ever, first

1329
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: person in general, and whether it was crazy Ko or

1330
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: submission to stop him. And that guy has fought you

1331
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: know who who of fighters. Really really incredible work by

1332
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: Milchi Costa. You gotta love the trajectory he's been on,

1333
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: and I think now he'll be a ranked fighter going

1334
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: forward after this, Chuck, what can you say about Jacobe

1335
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: Smith gets taken down and then uses what can only

1336
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: be described as just great timing, yes, but insane athleticism,

1337
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: and then drills Josiah Harrell into the freaking matt This

1338
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: is what I mean. I want guys who can do exciting,

1339
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: interesting shit, and Jacoby Smith appears to be very much

1340
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: one of them. Yeah.

1341
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 5: Man, we were pointing out like all week basically that

1342
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 5: Kobe Smith is one of those guys you keep your

1343
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 5: eye on because he's he's got that pedigree, you know,

1344
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 5: the Oklahoma state thing. Trained like obviously like he's one

1345
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 5: of DC's guys, but he's just got like some there's

1346
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 5: something about him when you watch him, like, this guy's

1347
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 5: really explosive and so far he's been able to do that.

1348
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 6: Who's his last fight was that Nico Price? What was

1349
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 6: the because he was a huge favorite.

1350
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 5: He was a huge favorite in his last fight, and

1351
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 5: he kind of had to put up with a little

1352
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 5: adversity through that fight. But then he's when he settled in,

1353
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 5: it was like boom, he did the same thing.

1354
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 6: I think he's.

1355
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 5: Definitely one of those guys that we've seen enough tape

1356
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 5: on him now where you can kind of you know,

1357
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 5: he can handle the expectations a little bit, like which

1358
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 5: is always something you got to watch. He can he

1359
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 5: you know, the Vegas odds makers want to like make

1360
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 5: him a big favorite. He can handle that a little bit.

1361
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 5: So I feel like he's kind of not primed for

1362
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 5: whatever his next fight is going to be to h

1363
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 5: to really kind of take off, like he's definitely on there.

1364
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: Man.

1365
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 6: That knockout was insane. But what did you think about

1366
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 6: the stoppage on this.

1367
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: Oh dude, the Stoppers. It was pretty bad, right. I mean, guys,

1368
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: a welcome to Texas where everything is bigger than Texas.

1369
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 5: True, we used to have this conversation like all the

1370
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 5: time when they're in Texas, right, like all the time.

1371
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: Gohe people don't understand there. There's guys that used to

1372
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: be in rotation that are still in rotation on like

1373
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: regional shows, but UFC has been like just absolutely fucking not.

1374
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: Steve Malsagatti was one of them. But another guy you

1375
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: might not know who used to be a main fixture

1376
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: in Texas you'll still see him on occasion, John Shorley.

1377
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: John Shorley is one of the worst ones I've ever seen,

1378
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: just absolutely horrendous. Carrie Hatley's not as bad as those guys,

1379
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: but he's not great. Carrie Hatley does this real half.

1380
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, guys, You've got Jacoby Smith in the middle

1381
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: of a fist fight, hammer fisting an opponent right there,

1382
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: and Carrie Hatley just kind of lightly puts his arm

1383
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: in to stop, and it's like, yes, should Jacoby Smith

1384
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: have stopped? That's true. However, your job is to make

1385
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: him stop. And this is why you actually have to

1386
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: be a little bit physically fit and be able to

1387
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: move and you know, not just understand the rules and timing,

1388
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: but you got to be a little bit physically spry

1389
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: to do it because remember in boxing, you got to

1390
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: be you know, with it as well. But you're everyone's

1391
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: still standing, so it's a little bit easier to use

1392
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: your legs to you know, get into places and put

1393
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: your hands in and whatnot. But on the ground you

1394
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: have to kind of get in there, right. He does

1395
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: a really half ast job of getting in there, so

1396
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: Smith just kind of keeps going, so then you know,

1397
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: Hatley has to push him off. It was reminiscent of

1398
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: a guy he died, Chuck. It was a UFC fighter

1399
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: back in the early I want to say UFC twenty ish.

1400
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: His name was something like Brian Johnson or Brian Johnston.

1401
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: Where Big John McCarthy overcorrected on a stoppage. You guys

1402
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: may not know this. Big John went like diving in

1403
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: on a stop I remember this, yeah, and broke Brian

1404
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: again I can't remember his name, broke his nose and

1405
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 1: was so by the time that guy gets up, there's

1406
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: blood spewing everywhere off his face. He was actually bitter

1407
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: at big John for doing that. Yeah, but I'm like,

1408
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: I'll take that over just a guy with brain surgery

1409
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: getting driven problem too.

1410
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 5: Man, there's the aesthetic. They're showing this whole like package

1411
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 5: of like this guy overcame this. They're showing the scar

1412
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 5: on his head, you know, when his head was shaved,

1413
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 5: and you're looking at this and you're like, oh, man,

1414
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 5: you know there's something about trauma to a brain that's

1415
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 5: already had like a problem, right, and then like you

1416
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 5: see that he is out. And I would say that

1417
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 5: five of those shots at least came after he was

1418
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 5: out or it looked like he was definitely out. That's

1419
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 5: a tough aesthetic. But yes, you're right, man, Harley comes

1420
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 5: in there, he just I mean you could see that Smith. Now,

1421
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 5: I saw people actually getting mad at Smith for not

1422
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 5: heating when he felt the referee coming. He still delivered

1423
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 5: another shot, but it was so you're right, he came

1424
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 5: in there so passively, and you're you're in that moment.

1425
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 6: It's hard to blame the fighter. You know you're supposed

1426
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 6: to do that.

1427
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, you know, Texas baby Texas. Yeah, I don't know

1428
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: what to say about this. So most of the on

1429
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: are not most. Let's say, a decent portion of the

1430
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: online chatter about Sergis Bivoc versus Antie Delia was pretty positive.

1431
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: Can I just be honest, I didn't. I wasn't super

1432
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: opprested of this fight. I didn't really where were you

1433
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: on this one? No, I was with you the same.

1434
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe it was a little bit because we've been

1435
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 5: talking about heavyweights and it was like, oh, here we

1436
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 5: go again, a heavyweight card right in the in the

1437
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 5: middle of a of a you know, of a of

1438
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 5: a card where it's not at the apex, right, and

1439
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 5: by the standards of what we've watched so far this year,

1440
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 5: this was a great fight.

1441
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1442
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 5: It was like these guys actually were competitive and neither

1443
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 5: one was like gassing out to the point where they

1444
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 5: couldn't throw a punch at the end. But it was

1445
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 5: just a mediocre fight, you know what I mean. It

1446
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 5: wasn't there was nothing really uh, there was nothing about

1447
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 5: it that really like, you know, there was no moment

1448
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 5: where you're like, oh my god, this guy came back

1449
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 5: from that or anything like that. It was it was

1450
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 5: just it was just a typical lightweight fight. But I

1451
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 5: think I mean lightweight heavyweight fight. But I think that

1452
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 5: somehow maybe we've moved the uh, the expectation line a

1453
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 5: little bit on this because I did see the same

1454
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 5: thing I saw people. Maybe it's people who are trying

1455
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 5: to overcorrect us for saying that they should just shudder

1456
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 5: the damn thing.

1457
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I.

1458
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 5: Mean seriously, I heard a lot about that. Like everybody's like, oh,

1459
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 5: these guys wanted to uh to close down the heavyweight division,

1460
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 5: and so suddenly you get a fight. There's at least

1461
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 5: a little competitive right, Like I feel like people are

1462
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 5: just going over.

1463
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: You heard people bitter at us for a suggestions.

1464
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 6: I did, Yes, Yes, I heard a couple.

1465
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 5: Of people, but like you don't have to say names,

1466
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 5: but like, I mean, just like you know, I wouldn't

1467
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 5: go so far as the like what you guys were

1468
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 5: talking about, you know, that sort of thing like where

1469
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 5: you shut it up and you just kind of offering.

1470
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 5: So it was all kind of in good conversation. It

1471
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 5: wasn't like they were calling us idiots. But you know,

1472
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 5: we took it. I felt like we took it to

1473
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 5: its natural extreme, which is sort of like why did

1474
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 5: was anybody want to watch this?

1475
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 6: You know? Why would you want to watch this?

1476
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: First of all, we didn't actually say the division should

1477
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: be eliminated. We're going to say, what's the point of

1478
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: keeping it around if you're not going to institute fixes

1479
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: to it? Yes, it's a very different claim. Then I

1480
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: don't care if there are fixes. We're done. That's a

1481
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: completely truth point, you know, to to to go to,

1482
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: all right. But the other part is Long Island. Luke,

1483
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: where were you on this fight? Because I think your

1484
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: pulse is probably going to be closer to maybe what

1485
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: I saw online. You like this fight?

1486
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 3: No, I fucking hated it, But I had reasons that

1487
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 3: I hated it, and you know they're betting related. But

1488
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 3: you know, I had the fight to not go the distance,

1489
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 3: and I could just tell, like the minute it started,

1490
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: I was like, this fight fifteen minutes and the heavyweight

1491
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 3: overs are back. All right, guys, you know, no longer

1492
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: bet fight does not go to the distance. Always bet

1493
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 3: the over on a heavyweight fight.

1494
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 6: Heavyweight this year, this year, man, that was a thing.

1495
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 3: A few years ago, shout out Jed Misheu. He coined

1496
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 3: it like heavyweight overs. It was like every heavyweight fight

1497
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 3: was going at least over one and a half, over

1498
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 3: two and a half, and then it kind of they're

1499
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 3: all get finishes. I feel like heavyweight overs are back.

1500
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just feel like people are starved for

1501
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: any kind of decent heavyweight action. And that's what I think.

1502
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: It was. Not crap. I'm not like looking at this

1503
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: fight being like, oh it was some kind of disaster.

1504
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: It was not a disaster or any like that. But like,

1505
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: did I think it was a good fight. No, I

1506
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: did not think it was a good fight.

1507
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 5: And I mean, you know, good for speedback, Like you

1508
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 5: get a guy like that, he's been he's kind of

1509
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 5: been a woodwork guy, like in the terms of like

1510
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 5: he's not really and he's just been in the heavyweight division.

1511
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 6: He's fought a lot of guys.

1512
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 5: But you know he's mentioning like his father passing with

1513
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 5: that kind of motivation, and you feel good for a

1514
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 5: guy like that who needed the victory and for morale

1515
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 5: and all that.

1516
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 6: But in terms of a fight, it was just a fight.

1517
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'll just say this. I also don't have

1518
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: much to say about the Michelle Pueda Zachary's fight.

1519
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 6: It was perhaps the less set about it, the better.

1520
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a fight, all right, let's talk about that.

1521
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: Preliminary car Jesus Christ, this one was not that great.

1522
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, main event totally delivered a largely delivered anyway,

1523
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 1: main card largely delivered some real bright spots. Molchy Costa

1524
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: looked great, or Metics looked great. Jacoby Smith, you know,

1525
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: look great, like a bunch of these guys looked amazing. No,

1526
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: no no harm, no foul. But that prelim card was

1527
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: absolutely atrocious. And here's it. I want to give you

1528
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: the floor on this, Chuck, because we kind of discussed

1529
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: this ahead of time. Now you got to be careful

1530
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: because if you see online chatter, particularly on Twitter, that's

1531
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: just not real life. There are a lot of people

1532
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: who are overly positive about the UFC in a weird way.

1533
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who are overly negative about

1534
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: the UFC in a way that just doesn't match what

1535
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: the broader reality speaks to. But if you can say

1536
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: anything about the online chatter was that it was pretty

1537
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: universally negative, including a lot of fans that I know

1538
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,799
Speaker 1: who are very very pro UFC. Even they were likeugh,

1539
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: this was not that much. What was your read on

1540
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: why that preliminary card felt Because on paper, I did

1541
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: feel like it had potential. I do feel that way

1542
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: just just didn't materialize. Why oh man.

1543
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 5: Part of it is, you know, John Anick was on

1544
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 5: like he was on some podcasts a couple of weeks ago,

1545
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 5: and he basically said, like, one of the fixes the

1546
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 5: UC could do is just reducing the amount of fights

1547
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 5: of car on cards and getting it back to more

1548
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 5: in that ten eleven range that we were used to

1549
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 5: back in the day. This particular card had fourteen fights.

1550
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 5: There were eight on the prelims, right, and that's a lot.

1551
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 5: It feels like a marathon when you start to like

1552
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 5: Long Island just pointed out that heavyweight fight where you

1553
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 5: see the first minute you kind of know it's going

1554
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 5: the distance. There was way too much of that, man,

1555
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 5: There was way too much of like you start a fight,

1556
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 5: you can see the process of almost nullification facing off

1557
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 5: with each other, and at that point you start to

1558
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 5: be like, this is going the distance. My problem with

1559
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 5: it is I kept having this thing where I'm like,

1560
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 5: you're watching the fight, you mean to kind of be,

1561
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 5: you know, involved, and see what you know, who's doing

1562
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 5: what here? And I would just daydream and pretty soon

1563
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, I don't even know who won tho

1564
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 5: last two rounds. I just don't even know. And that's

1565
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 5: this is a problem, Like you should like it should

1566
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 5: feel more compelling. That didn't help that Houston looked like

1567
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 5: a very late arriving crowd out there. I don't know

1568
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 5: if you notice that, but like it the building was

1569
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 5: dead too. It was just it felt very I don't know,

1570
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 5: it felt very like rehearsals or something, and through big

1571
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 5: portions of that. But I when you have that many fights, man,

1572
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 5: and like the parody of today's fighters and like everything

1573
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 5: that's going on, man.

1574
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 6: It was just it just doesn't hold attention, you know

1575
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 6: what I mean.

1576
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 5: Like it was just one of those things you're like,

1577
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 5: there's also this thing, dude, like you see, like if

1578
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 5: you had an annoying friend, like you'd always see him

1579
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 5: or whatever, and he starts to tell you whatever, and

1580
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 5: at some point you're like, you know, man, I'm always

1581
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 5: at the bar and I'm always talking to this guy,

1582
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 5: and I'm just sick of it because why do I

1583
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 5: want to be Why do I want this in my life?

1584
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 5: Like you get that feeling sometimes you're watching like Oday

1585
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 5: Osborne or something, and you're like, I don't why can

1586
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 5: I keep seeing.

1587
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not trying to.

1588
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 5: Throw him under the bus specifically, but he's been in

1589
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 5: a lot of these fights, and You're like, why do

1590
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 5: I keep having to watch this? You know where you're

1591
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 5: like watching guys that they just aren't like moving, you know,

1592
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 5: they're not moving anywhere, but they're just perpetually on a prelim,

1593
01:10:58,439 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

1594
01:10:58,920 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 6: It's just I don't know.

1595
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 5: There was a lot going on there, but it wasn't

1596
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 5: holding my attention too well.

1597
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: This is where I come down to. Were there some

1598
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: strong performers on this premium card. Sure, we'll talk about

1599
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: them just a second, but I had It was so

1600
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: funny when you said this on the pre show because

1601
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: the exact response I have would I'd be watching the

1602
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 1: fights door closed to my office. There's no one in

1603
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: the room. I'm not being distracted. I mean, my daughter

1604
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: came in a couple times in different moments, but in general, yeah,

1605
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 1: utterly unimpeded to watch. And then I'd just be kind

1606
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: of looking at the screen and then before i know it,

1607
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: it's like two thirty five in the round and I'm like, dude,

1608
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: what the fuck happened in the last minute? Two and

1609
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: a half minutes. Huh, And I caught myself doing this

1610
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: over and over again. Now, part of it was the

1611
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: fights were well matched in a lot of cases. So

1612
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: for example, like putting Helle Sorano versus rom Is blocking mind,

1613
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: those are not bad fighters and they give a I

1614
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: think they gave what they had, but the way it

1615
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: just kind of worked out couldn't sor Riano didn't have

1616
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: to get the win, obviously, but it just couldn't get

1617
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: enough going to really be you know, memorable, I think,

1618
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: is the way I would put it. It just felt like

1619
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 1: a lot of white noise. You know.

1620
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 5: I don't know how I mean, it's just things that

1621
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 5: you drift off on like that, or it's just you

1622
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 5: got to look at it from UFC standpoint. I think

1623
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 5: that that's what they hated about old boxing model, right,

1624
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 5: like they just didn't want to have too much. But

1625
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 5: boxing a lot of times will on it's undercards, will

1626
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 5: basically stack it up with mismatches so that you see knockouts,

1627
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? These days, I don't know

1628
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 5: if it's just because if it's matchmaking, or if it's

1629
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 5: just that you've reached a spot where a lot of

1630
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 5: people have similar skill sets, so they kind of offset

1631
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 5: each other. You get this, Seven of the eight fights

1632
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 5: go the distance, and none of them were really compelling,

1633
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

1634
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: All right, there there were a couple of bright spots.

1635
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: I thought on the premium card, the biggest one to

1636
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: me would be Joscelyn L. Edwards defeating your Cornole. I'm

1637
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: not sure I pronounce her name, Please forgive me.

1638
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 6: I think it's Cornoll, Yeah, Cornoll Yeah.

1639
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: And you know, and she obviously Matt returns her what

1640
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: you can see in the above picture. It injures her

1641
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: and then she gets the the choke. I will say

1642
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: this to you, Chuck. When she first got to the UFC,

1643
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: so she's been in the UFC for a little while now.

1644
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: She got there all the way back in Wow twenty

1645
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 1: twenty one. She fought Janaan Wu and then Carol Hosa

1646
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: and then Jessica Rose Clark. She lost two of the

1647
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: three of those, and I thought, wow, she looked really terrible.

1648
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1649
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: I thought they were just trying to sign fighters from

1650
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, Latin American territories to fill out their roster.

1651
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: But dude, she is on a four fight win streak.

1652
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: She did listen to Eileen Petz back in twenty twenty four.

1653
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: Since then, she's beating Tamirez Vidal, Chelsea Chandler, Priscilla Ketchuarra,

1654
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: which was a pretty good one. She fished her off,

1655
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: and then Nora Cornoll as you mentioned all of those

1656
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: wins via stoppage. She actually is thirty years old. Now, yeah, dude,

1657
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: she's she was.

1658
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 6: She was impressive.

1659
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I think she was the only one of

1660
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 5: this new like era, of the twenty five thousand dollars

1661
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 5: finish that actually got paid on the premium, so by

1662
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 5: default she's going to do that.

1663
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 6: But de man, that slam? How cool was that?

1664
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: Man?

1665
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 6: I thought the fight was over off of that.

1666
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 5: She obviously got the choke a little, you know a

1667
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 5: few seconds later, But I agree with you, man, and

1668
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 5: she this was like this was a rematch too, right,

1669
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 5: because she was avenging her one of her losses. So

1670
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, she's definitely one. Was thirty years

1671
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 5: old sometimes and from Panama, I'm not sure. Off the

1672
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 5: top of my head, can you think of who's come

1673
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 5: from Panama? Like I can't even think of a single

1674
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 5: UFC fighter right this second.

1675
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 1: Well, how about Roberto Duran? Motherfucker? Well, yeah, yeah, Monos

1676
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: depa draw. That's right what I'm saying.

1677
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, well in the UFC, But I mean that's that's

1678
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 5: kind of a boon, Like I like that when you've

1679
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 5: got a new representative and she's flourishing. So she was

1680
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 5: one of the lone bright spots for sure on that.

1681
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, she lost to Nora back

1682
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Look at the change. Yeah, exchange,

1683
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: pretty pretty dramatic. You got to be impressed by that.

1684
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: I also got to give Long Island credit. I didn't

1685
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: watch Ultimate Fighter, so I wasn't super familiar with her game.

1686
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,879
Speaker 1: But Carly Judas Judais, however you say her name, Dude,

1687
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: she didn't get the finish against Giuliano Miller. But I

1688
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: didn't hate this fight at all because her striking. She's

1689
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: got Long Island come back. She's got a few things

1690
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 1: to and to me, she motions too much rather than

1691
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: thinking about what she needs to do in a more

1692
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: slightly reduced way. But dude, her striking looks legit. I

1693
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: was super impressed by her.

1694
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 3: That was also her first win by decision. All of

1695
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 3: her wins had been by knockout before that, and she

1696
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 3: put it on Miller, and she also like looked pretty

1697
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 3: bad on the ground in that fight. A few times

1698
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, Juliana Miller is going to

1699
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: finish her. That fight was way better than I thought

1700
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 3: it was going to be. I thought it was going

1701
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 3: to be a one sided Carle just piecing her up.

1702
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 3: Juliana actually made it interesting. But dude, the prelims just

1703
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 3: took a die. I rarely say this. I love doing

1704
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 3: my watch along.

1705
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, you're like a prelim fetishist.

1706
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 3: I literally chuck like five fights. I literally said, this

1707
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 3: is the worst card, like by far that I like,

1708
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 3: this is so boring. This is the worst card. So yeah,

1709
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 3: it was bad, but if you just watched the main card,

1710
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 3: it was actually like besides the Michelle car was actually

1711
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 3: Jordan Levitt.

1712
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: By the way, Yady ar del on my timeline. So

1713
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: he loses, Jordan Levitt wins, he spanks him, which by

1714
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: the way, Kutur did to Tito or Tiz at USC

1715
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: four four, and then everyone on my timeline was like,

1716
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: arrest Isaac and people were tagging the FBI and shit,

1717
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: because he looked terrible, not not Levit leve It looks fine.

1718
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: But uh, del Vae looked just out of this level.

1719
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: And uh, that's.

1720
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 5: An incriminate it is though, it's like it's just that

1721
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense, right.

1722
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: And then lastly Labos noo Yanni. Uh he got the

1723
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: winner for Phil Rowe. You know, it was the spirited

1724
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: back and forth, but it just one of these fights

1725
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: that just didn't capture your attention. Same thing with Alden Korea.

1726
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: He put in a good effort against Luis Gurule. I'm

1727
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: not sure what it means, and then I'll be I

1728
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: don't have to say it. Idris or Idius against Odie

1729
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: Osbourne another one of these fights where it's like, what

1730
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: happened in that one? I saw it and I can't

1731
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: tell you. I know, I know, I know that Ideus

1732
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: got the takedown. Other than that, I'm not sure, you know.

1733
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 5: And it looked like just generally he was in control

1734
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 5: of that fight. But again, yeah it was I was

1735
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 5: the same way.

1736
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: In fairness, Carlos Leal tried to put it on Cheti

1737
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: Andji Kawani so Leal to me Leal and Edwards with

1738
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: the two bright spots sort only that card and Judaice

1739
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: looked good, but you know it was you know, you

1740
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: couldn't quitet with the hope. All right, that's that part

1741
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: of the card. Let's talk about what happened in the

1742
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: squared circle, so to speak, so over on his own

1743
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: in the boxing ring. Well, we weren't sure what we

1744
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: were gonna get with Ryan Garcia, but we now we know.

1745
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia returned to what could only be described as

1746
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: top form and then easily beat Mario Barrios via unanimous decision. Chuck,

1747
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: he dropped him in the first round. He never looked

1748
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: back from there. Look at some of these highlights here.

1749
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: This is the first round where he drops him just

1750
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: right there. This was less than thirty seconds into round

1751
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: number one. Look at the time on the ring, two

1752
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: thirty four, he's already down and up and it didn't

1753
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: get much better for Barrios from there, to be honest

1754
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: with you, So with this win, Ryan Garcia finally becomes

1755
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: a world champion. What would you say this did for

1756
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia's stock?

1757
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 6: Well, dude, we were like talking about is this do

1758
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 6: or die for him?

1759
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: Right?

1760
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 3: Like?

1761
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 5: So these are the stakes when you really think about

1762
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 5: it like that, You're like, you know, a loss here,

1763
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 5: and I think that he loses kind of the thread

1764
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 5: or with this vitality thing that we have with this

1765
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 5: guy of being that when you know, because he's compelled. Honestly,

1766
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 5: he's compelled the boxing audience to pay attention from the beginning,

1767
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 5: just going back to the amateurs, like just what he's

1768
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 5: been able to do if he loses this fight, it

1769
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 5: was that big, Like maybe he starts to slip off

1770
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 5: and I don't know if you come back. If you do,

1771
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 5: it's going to be a long time. But he's still

1772
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 5: a young guy. But you win this fight. And not

1773
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 5: just that, but like everybody's like, okay, wait a minute,

1774
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:36,959
Speaker 5: he's realized his potential.

1775
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 6: Where'd that?

1776
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 3: Like?

1777
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 6: Personally, I was like where was that right hand? When

1778
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 6: during the role Romero fight.

1779
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 5: That I was sitting ringside, I was like, all of

1780
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 5: a sudden, he shows up with a with a you know,

1781
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 5: with the right hand to go home with a speed

1782
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 5: the speed factor looked like he was like double like

1783
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 5: you know, and fast forward against Brios. It looked like

1784
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 5: he just had every advantage possible and to kind of

1785
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 5: showcase other than putt him ay at some point in

1786
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 5: the fight, probably the best you can look, right, And

1787
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 5: if anything that this did, it showed people again, reminded

1788
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 5: people again the magnitude of what Ryan Garcia like at

1789
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 5: that level, because even when the Devin Hainey fight happened,

1790
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 5: right like, when that happened, it was like, oh my god,

1791
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 5: this guy. Obviously it took on a dark cloud in

1792
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 5: the aftermath and before, but the performance itself. Coming out

1793
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 5: of fight night, we were like, oh my god, this dude.

1794
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 5: And it was like he's such a he is such

1795
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 5: a star in that sense, people really compelled to pay

1796
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 5: attention to him. We were right back there, man, And

1797
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 5: now all of a sudden, you're set in the stage

1798
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 5: for like really big fights. That's a crazy like this

1799
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 5: was a crazy swing of fate. If he loses, he

1800
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 5: slips off. If he wins, he's got these huge fights

1801
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 5: coming up. Big time performance.

1802
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: Man. The scores were one eighteen one oh nine, one

1803
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: nineteen one eight, and then one twenty one oh seven,

1804
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: all for Ryan Garcia. I mean he won all of

1805
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: them on one judge of scorecard, all but one on one.

1806
01:19:58,280 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, how did you have it? Did you have him

1807
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 6: winning all of them?

1808
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: I had him winning every single same same not have

1809
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: a single round from Mario Marios, And I thought it was. Frankly,

1810
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous that some people did. Although I guess, you

1811
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: know whatever, it didn't really matter in the end, but

1812
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: that was dude. I'm so glad you brought this up

1813
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: because we were like, well, what's Mario's gonna do with

1814
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: a guy's got a good left hook. We'll see if

1815
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: he can solve that problem. Turned out that was not

1816
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 1: his problem. Turned out that was one problem that he

1817
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: had among many problems. And as you rightly indicated, Chuck,

1818
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: that right hand showed the stoppach. Sorry, stop it, I'm sorry.

1819
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: The dropping one more time, if you can look, is

1820
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: right hand to the body, right hand over the top.

1821
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: It was the right hand all night, round three, rounds, ten,

1822
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: over and over again. You get these punctuated moments where

1823
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: Barrios just couldn't get anything going, and it was because

1824
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: Ryan finally had diversified offense. The left hook is famous

1825
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: we saw in the Devin Haney fight, but there was

1826
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: not much of a right hand to speak of in

1827
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: that contest. It was everywhere and virtually every round. Again,

1828
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: some moments more punctuated than other ones. And this is

1829
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: a testament to I think, you know, it's kind of

1830
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: funny Chuck, but it was a bit of a side story.

1831
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: He had left Joe Goosen and then Mario Barrios had

1832
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: gone to Joe Goosen, and so Joe Goosen a little

1833
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: bit here on the line, and I don't know what

1834
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: Goosen and Barrios were working on. I actually like Joe.

1835
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: I met him a few times. He's a real nice

1836
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: I think, pretty bright guy. But I'm not saying he

1837
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: didn't do the right things for Mario Barrios. I'm saying

1838
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: even if he did Chuck, it didn't land, it didn't take.

1839
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: Nothing took. They he survived in there. I mean, he

1840
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: wasn't getting dropped every round in that sense, but like

1841
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: Brios's offense, maybe got out of first gear a handful

1842
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: of times. And even that is staying it, saying it

1843
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: a little too nicely.

1844
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 6: This is my point.

1845
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: I want to say, did Ryan Garcia look really good, Chuck?

1846
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: Did he add new weapons? There's simply no denying. On

1847
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 1: the other hand, I do think part of the story

1848
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: is we talked about it. Ryan came in off getting

1849
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: dropped and loose to Roly Romero and got gifted a

1850
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: title shot he shouldn't have got it, and then on

1851
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: top of it, Barrios entered this contest off back to

1852
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: back draws, like no, man, The reality is like Garcia

1853
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: looked great and he's a world champion, but that has

1854
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: to be one of the easiest paths to a world

1855
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: title I've ever seen in my life.

1856
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that that's factor. It's always it's always

1857
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 5: like this. But you know, the truth of the matter

1858
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 5: is we just didn't know. Like even the line reflected this.

1859
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 5: Garcia probably should he was like a minus two fifty.

1860
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 5: I'm sure a long on has the exact but he

1861
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 5: was something like that. He was it was if it

1862
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 5: was if everybody kind of knew this going in, it

1863
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 5: should have been like minus one thousand, right, that's the

1864
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 5: kind of fight it was. It just shows that when

1865
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 5: when a guy has dialed in, so it depends on

1866
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 5: which lens you want to look through it. But I'm like,

1867
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 5: I thought that Garcia had something to go in there

1868
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 5: and prove. I thought he proved that. But there was

1869
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 5: also this element of we saw that you saw the

1870
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 5: Mario Barrios when he's fighting a you know, Pakia forty

1871
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 5: seven year old Pacio and he's just not looking very

1872
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 5: good in that far either he didn't look great in

1873
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 5: a couple of his previous fights. So like when you

1874
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 5: look at all of that and you start to put

1875
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 5: together like, Okay, well Garcia was leaps and bounds about

1876
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 5: this guy. But there's sometimes where you just have to

1877
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 5: see it to fully understand that. I felt like that

1878
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 5: was this moment, so both guys. So Garcia's stock rises,

1879
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 5: but I also think that uh you know that that

1880
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 5: uh bars like his his stock plummets a little bit

1881
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 5: because now it looks and I want to say smoking mirrors,

1882
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 5: like dudes put themselves in those positions, but it definitely

1883
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,799
Speaker 5: looks like he's maybe shouldn't be a should maybe shouldn't

1884
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 5: have been.

1885
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 6: A champion, you know what I mean?

1886
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not maybe definitely.

1887
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 6: Do you think he's is he among?

1888
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 5: Like I know that people this was the like they

1889
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 5: always get this sort of thing where it's like that

1890
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 5: dude's the worst champion in history, you know that sort

1891
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 5: of thing, like how far do you go on this line.

1892
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: For Mario one of the least championship contender guys during

1893
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: my professional career? Yeah yeah, yeah, like I can't speak

1894
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: all time or anything like that, And there's definitely we

1895
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: should be clear, there's definitely been guys who are like

1896
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: interim or super or not even super in like a

1897
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: regular kind of way, like some sanctioning body bullshit ass title.

1898
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: But I'm talking like full weight class champ. Yeah, I

1899
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: just don't know if I can recall one this easy.

1900
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know not Yeah, definitely not an

1901
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 5: hour well, that's what I'm saying.

1902
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 6: I guess an hour era.

1903
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 5: I mean, if you go back, there's always those dudes

1904
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 5: who are like the Tony Tuckers who held belts for

1905
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like in times where you're like, whoa,

1906
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 5: how the hell did that guy end up with a

1907
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 5: belt during that time period and stuff like that. But yeah,

1908
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 5: but I mean it all works out. I just it's

1909
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 5: fun when it happens, because I think he was considered

1910
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 5: Ryan Garcia was considered one of the four horsemen of

1911
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 5: the of that you know, time and all that, and

1912
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 5: all of a sudden he's there finally, right like, I

1913
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 5: feel like he's inserted himself into that space.

1914
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: Brios look terrible. I just want to point out more fun. Now,

1915
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: let's talk about the road ahead. If we can here

1916
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: for just a second, chuck, So here are the list

1917
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: of current welter weight champions. And for folks, you mean,

1918
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: I know walter weight in boxing one forty seven. As

1919
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 1: you can see up there, you got Ryan Garcia, Roly Romero,

1920
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,759
Speaker 1: Roley just beat Ryan, and then you've got Lewis Crocker,

1921
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: and then you've got Devin Haney. So keep that in mind.

1922
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 1: Now what I want to show is, uh, Ryan, you

1923
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 1: know what, Let's go through this a little bit. Ryan

1924
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: and Devin. Excuse me, Ryan says Devon. No wait, wait,

1925
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Sorry? Shaker and Haney suggest Ryan's on

1926
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: PD at this. So, by the way, I looked at

1927
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: the replies and Devin Haney's tweets in that particular tweet,

1928
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: Excuse me, dude, I mean unkind to Devon would be

1929
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: let me go back because I want to read it

1930
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: to the to the to the audio audience. But let

1931
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: me just say the reply. So Devin Haney tweets Ryan

1932
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: off that good juice, which, by the way, he's you know,

1933
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, is the truth, Chuck, But like,

1934
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 1: would I be the least bit surprised if Garcia was

1935
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: using again, Hello, the guy is a proven cheater? Uh?

1936
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: And then Shaker Stevenson retweets that and then writes our

1937
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: quote tweets it anyway, I said that in round one,

1938
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: but I just want to point this out. So there's that.

1939
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: Then there's the connor Ben tweet. Connor Ben puts this

1940
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: out and says, congratulations, Champ, see you later this year.

1941
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: Make sure you keep my belt warm. And of course

1942
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: a big signing that happened on Friday. We didn't really

1943
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 1: discuss it today because you know, we're sort of focusing

1944
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: on MMA more, Chuck, is that you had connor Ben

1945
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: going over to zoofa boxing right on a one fight,

1946
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 1: reported one fight fifteen million dollar deal, which no UFC

1947
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: fighter has ever gotten for a UFC fight. I mean,

1948
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: connor got something like that for boxing for a one off,

1949
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: but like within the UFC itself, that's absolutely never happened,

1950
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: not even close.

1951
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 6: And it was this.

1952
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: It's connor Ben is not good, Chuck. He's not very good,

1953
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: but the symbolism of it is obviously significant, right could

1954
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: you're taking away one of Eddie's top guys. Yeah, but

1955
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: he's not very good. Here's the point I'm trying to make.

1956
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: You've got connor Ben who wants a piece of him.

1957
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: You got Devin Haney who's out there saying things about him.

1958
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: Shagher Stevenson. How do you know this was redemptive for

1959
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia's career, Chuck, because they all.

1960
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 5: Right want a piece and the end that's how you

1961
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 5: know how big of a star he really is too.

1962
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 5: Like we've seen this in the UFC a million times.

1963
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 5: When a guy has that juice right like and all

1964
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 5: of a sudden everybody wants a piece of him. That

1965
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 5: means he does business. I mean, that's the great thing

1966
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 5: about a Ryan Garcia. And we've seen it a couple

1967
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 5: of times where he's kind of swelled up into this,

1968
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 5: you know, into this moment where like he becomes this guy.

1969
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 5: Now there should be concerns, dude, when he came into

1970
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 5: this fight. You're looking at him like during fight week

1971
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 5: and you see what tremendous shape he's in, man, and

1972
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 5: you know that's kind of secondary to his mindset because

1973
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 5: everybody was like, well is he how's he doing? Like

1974
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 5: and it you know, we were talking about his hyper

1975
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 5: religious kind of like swing where he's doing this, but

1976
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 5: he seemed more grounded and rooted, so you're focusing more

1977
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 5: on his mental space. But there was something like you're

1978
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 5: looking at his physique, you know, like, Okay, this dude

1979
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 5: looks really good heading into this fight. There's gonna be no.

1980
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 5: This is the crossy bear, man Like. It's like when

1981
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 5: you when you get popped and you've busted, You've been

1982
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 5: busted for it. That's gonna stay on you forever. That's

1983
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 5: a stain on your career. It's just I would be

1984
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 5: I'd be disappointed. People didn't say it. But your hope

1985
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 5: is honestly that there is no kind of aster restaurant us.

1986
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 5: There's not any kind of thing that comes out of

1987
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 5: this because from a from a boxing perspective, if it's

1988
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 5: a guy who like and I know you like it too,

1989
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 5: man like when you watch boxing boxing asbestos, when you

1990
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 5: have stars like this and you're like, you just ran

1991
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 5: down these these potential fights. I want to see them, man,

1992
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 5: I don't want to have I don't want to have

1993
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 5: a guy who's like, oh yeah, he got in trouble again,

1994
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 5: and you know then all of a sudden he has

1995
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 5: a checkered career. I'd rather see the big fights, you know.

1996
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Here's Ryan's response to Devin. Let's take a look

1997
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 1: at this.

1998
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 6: When my Handhels.

1999
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: I'll be looking for that opportunity for sure.

2000
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 6: And Devin he don't want that.

2001
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: He's terrified he has PTSD.

2002
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 6: I just want to beat Devin Hayne's ass, bad, dude.

2003
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what Ryan Garcilla loves more, Chuck, the

2004
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: limelight or the N word, but he loves them though,

2005
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

2006
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 6: I think it's the latter.

2007
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 5: But like when you like when you uh, when when

2008
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,640
Speaker 5: you look at like Devin Haney's performance, the one at

2009
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 5: Times Square against uh was it? Who did he fight there? Ramirez?

2010
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 5: Was that the I'm trying to remember, like he but

2011
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 5: his fight was it did seem like he had that.

2012
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 5: It almost felt like you you're watching these two guys

2013
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 5: in the same room, You're like, why aren't they facing

2014
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 5: especially on a venue like that where you're like, dude,

2015
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 5: they should be having their rematch.

2016
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: This is crazy.

2017
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 5: So it was like this Blue Balls special almost watching

2018
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 5: both guys walk out for different fights. But he did

2019
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 5: seem like that. It seemed like, you know, it seemed

2020
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 5: like he was he was afraid to throw man like.

2021
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 5: It was very strange. So there might be actually something

2022
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 5: to that, But dude, that's one of the big fights.

2023
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 5: If they could make that fight now, I think that's

2024
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 5: a huge fight. Obviously the she could fight is ridiculous,

2025
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 5: but like that fight, the Riy bou Garcia, I think

2026
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 5: all of them are big. Even the connor Ben one

2027
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 5: is kind of big. To be honest, we would be

2028
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 5: it'd be super big now too. With the with this

2029
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 5: whole ZUFA like all of a sudden, this everything going

2030
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 5: on with that man, that would so.

2031
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: To that, to that, to the connor Ben signing by

2032
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: ZUFA boxing.

2033
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 5: My immediate reaction was, this is going to sit well

2034
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 5: with all of the other zoof like the like all

2035
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 5: of the UFC and everybody else within that realm, right

2036
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 5: because we didn't I mean, fifteen million came out like

2037
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 5: they just said eight figures right at first, but fifteen

2038
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 5: million is just the is such a seismic golf and

2039
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 5: like when you're also talking about a seven point seven

2040
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 5: billion dollar paramount plus it just seems like there's a

2041
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 5: lot of money, you know, be out there being spent,

2042
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 5: but not on the UFC fighters. And so that was

2043
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 5: my first thing is just to go to the defense

2044
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 5: or like to whatever you want to call it, of

2045
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 5: the UFC's perspective of it. But it also kind of

2046
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of contradictions in play, like

2047
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 5: from what the way the Dana has handled his own business,

2048
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 5: and you wonder, like obviously with Turkey, like what in

2049
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 5: terms of like how this influenced it. And you know,

2050
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 5: if this is just a strategic play, right, if it's

2051
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 5: a strategic play to do somewhere to flex, or if

2052
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 5: this is an if it's a strictly an Eddie Hearn

2053
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 5: like fuck you type thing. I mean, I think it's

2054
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 5: a little bit all of that, but man, it is unprecedented.

2055
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 5: I just the UFC, like the ZUFA owned UFC never

2056
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 5: operated this way and honestly, Dana White has never operated

2057
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 5: that way. So it's it's telling, right, Like it's telling

2058
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 5: in the sense like that they're trying to do something.

2059
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 5: Maybe they're trying to fly in a flight a little

2060
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 5: bit with the boxing realm.

2061
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't. My view is that these persons are not

2062
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: going to last. Now, they may last a little while longer,

2063
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: but they've got a shelf life. I think the basic

2064
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 1: idea is, again connor Bend's not very good. He can't

2065
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,560
Speaker 1: be like he definitely can't beat Devin hamy Or and

2066
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: he's sure as hell can't beat shakhor Ryan Garcia. I

2067
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 1: guess we'll have to see. I don't know what that's

2068
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but look like, but what I'm trying to

2069
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: make is, you know, you're not signing Connor Ben because

2070
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:54,640
Speaker 1: he's the best guy in the world. You're signing him

2071
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: because it's a symbolic blow to Eddie in a pretty

2072
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: substantial way. And it also communicates like we can get

2073
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: whoever we want, whenever we want, kind of an attitude,

2074
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 1: you know. But the people thinking like, oh, they're going

2075
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 1: to just spend a bunch of money on boxing long term,

2076
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: No the fuck, they're not. Everything they're gonna do, like

2077
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: the UFC is the model. There's no other place for

2078
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: the UFC to conquer than what they've already got. I mean,

2079
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, some shows can be bigger than others. They're

2080
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: going to have bigger, big one off events, sphere, white house,

2081
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: you name it. But and I'm not saying this to

2082
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: our equivalent, but you get the idea like they'll have

2083
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: big events time to time. But that model is everything

2084
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: that ZUFA Boxing wants to copy. That's why they want

2085
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: to change federal legislation. They want to get as close

2086
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: to that as possible. They're going to have these big signings,

2087
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: you're going to see them, but the goal is going

2088
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 1: to eventually be if you want to fight these guys,

2089
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: you got to come to us to do it. And

2090
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: then what you're going to see is the same thing

2091
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,799
Speaker 1: that they do. You're going to see like a Contender

2092
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: series for boxing. You're going to see where they're gonna

2093
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: start funneling guys in through that. Contracts are going to get,

2094
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, more tightly controlled in terms of how pay goes.

2095
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: You know, they're going to other those guys with the

2096
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: expensive deals are going to eventually age out, and so

2097
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: they will eventually be this process where yeh, some guys

2098
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: at the top will mix some good money of course,

2099
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: but this idea, I go one fight fifteen million. This

2100
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: is a temporary thing, which is why I kind of

2101
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 1: understand Connor taking it, to be honest with you, because

2102
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: it's like, sure, you're not gonna get a check like

2103
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 1: that again, you know what I mean.

2104
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 6: It's hard.

2105
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 5: I mean people were coming after him so hard for

2106
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 5: like Eddie here and standing, you know, standing by him

2107
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 5: through the hard parts of his career and kind of

2108
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 5: resurrected hern ate.

2109
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 1: I know, I remember in the middle of Connor benmy like,

2110
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: I ate too many fucking eggs and that was how

2111
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: I popped positive. And Eddie Hearn's mentions dude, for weeks,

2112
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, for weeks were just filled with you

2113
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 1: fucking low life, cheating, piece of shit, scum fuck you know.

2114
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, you nailed it. I think it was you who

2115
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 6: put you put out like a tweet.

2116
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 5: You said, this is what it looks like when Dana

2117
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 5: finally gets involved in competenting, like competing, you said something

2118
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 5: along these lines.

2119
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, this is what whiplash watching it. Yeah, yes,

2120
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Speaker 1: it's like that. And it's so true. It's so true.

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01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 5: And don't underestimate when Dana feels like he needs to

2122
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 5: make a statement, that's when he'll do something. You know,

2123
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 5: like a lot of times I feel like he was

2124
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 5: just kind of taking it. You know, even just before this,

2125
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 5: you know, you got Oscar to Lahoya going and doing

2126
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 5: one of his clapbacks or whatever his thing is where

2127
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 5: he's like going at Dana, and I felt like it

2128
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 5: was just it was just kind of like the you know,

2129
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 5: this was like his kind of.

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01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 6: Answered everybody right in the moment.

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01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 5: So we'll see I agree with you one hundred percent

2132
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 5: though this is that's not sustainable, that's not how they

2133
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 5: do business. So we'll see how it plays out and

2134
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 5: kind of like what they mean this for.

2135
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 1: But there you have it. Those are our top five topics.

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01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 1: All right, let's switch gears here if we can. Me

2137
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: and Chuck up been going back and forth, but now

2138
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: it's a chance for you guys to ask us questions.

2139
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 1: The way this works is we put up a thread

2140
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 1: every Sunday on ig on Instagram. You can go Morning

2141
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: Combat on Instagram, and then we the producers, I should say,

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01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 1: we don't do it, but the producers pick five of

2143
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: the best or the most interesting, and then we answer them.

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01:34:54,360 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: It's time for dms from dogs. That's how I whisper

2145
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: in my wife's ear. You know what I'm saying. All right,

2146
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: let's go to talk question number one here, all right,

2147
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: from Ryan Triple six Banil. It seems like a very

2148
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: normal human being. All right, When are we gonna get

2149
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: a fighter who realizes the way to be a heel

2150
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 1: in the UFC these days and get cheap heat is

2151
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: by being an exaggerated woke lib or radical Marxist stereotype,

2152
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 1: a reverse so true, so true, truck. Do you remember

2153
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: this guy? And the reason I know this guy is

2154
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 1: because you know, I didn't pay I don't pay attention

2155
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 1: for pro wrestling. I don't hate it anymore, but I don't.

2156
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't pay attention, you know. But my producer is

2157
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 1: when I was on Serious XAM, they were in my

2158
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 1: ear like, you got to see this guy. You gotta

2159
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: see this guy. We got to get him on the show.

2160
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: He was an indie pro wrestler who was like super

2161
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: pro lib to the point where he would get on

2162
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: the mic and be like, you maga losers, you're just jealous.

2163
01:35:54,360 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 1: You're not as smart and successful as Hillary Clinton. And

2164
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: they'd be somewhat Alabama and I'd be like, boo, this

2165
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: fucking guy, Oh my god. And I asked him if

2166
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: he'd ever, like, experienced violence. He told me he'd been

2167
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 1: threatened a gazillion times. But you know, it worked. I

2168
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to him, don't if he ever

2169
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: went anywhere, but I do agree. I think it would work.

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Speaker 5: I know, dude, I had not really thought about this,

2171
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 5: but there's been a couple of times, and I'm not like,

2172
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,560
Speaker 5: I'm not some extreme left you know, like the like

2173
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, But like sometimes people accuse

2174
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 5: you being Cuckmanden Hall or whatever because of your like

2175
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 5: some take of what's going on. And if you return

2176
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 5: fire like you lib trd like to them, like and

2177
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 5: then that confuses the hell out of them, right, like

2178
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 5: when you use their own language against It's like so,

2179
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 5: but I mean if you just if you think about that,

2180
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 5: that's I mean, especially with the UFC going and doing

2181
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 5: a white House card. I mean, dude, that is the

2182
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 5: perfect heal. Like, that's an I had not really thought

2183
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,639
Speaker 5: about that directly, but that is that is a great

2184
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 5: shout man.

2185
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: Do you imagine that you imagine going here and being like,

2186
01:36:55,600 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 1: I think AOC should be our next resident. Woo oh

2187
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 1: my god, it would be a lot of fun. All right.

2188
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: Second question, uh, what do we got here? Okay from

2189
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 1: MJ Silverfang, good guy, here he goes. He says, did

2190
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Jileton al Mada fumble the bag by not signing with MVP?

2191
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 1: Good question to fight JDS on the Rousey Carano undercard

2192
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 1: or did he just not want to get starts by

2193
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 1: fellow Brazilian in front of millions of people. So if

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01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 1: you didn't see this, it was reported Jonson I made

2195
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 1: a sign with ACA, which is sort of like a

2196
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: Caderov semi aligned promotion, but they do. The interesting part

2197
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: is they actually do like it. It is legitimate mma

2198
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 1: there like very in certain cases, really legitimate. It's actually

2199
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 1: it's a weird kind of contrast. It's got a weird association,

2200
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: but at the same time it does a lot of

2201
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 1: good work. Okay, put in that to the side for

2202
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 1: just a moment. He signed with them, and it was

2203
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:50,759
Speaker 1: reported that MVP wanted al Mada to fight Junior do Santo.

2204
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: So I've seen out there kind of putting out training

2205
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 1: videos and always been looking for a fight, and he's

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01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: trying to get a Jake Paul fight, for example, And

2207
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: they say he passed it. What do you think, Chuck,

2208
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 1: was it? Did it make sense to pass on it?

2209
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: If so, why.

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01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 6: I would feel like I did.

2211
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 5: This is all news to me, by the way, But

2212
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 5: like in al Maya's case, I feel like, especially in

2213
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 5: jilting the UFC, who just got rid of you when

2214
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 5: you're eight and three in their promotion, like it would

2215
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 5: have been to go to MVP because that's where that's happening, right,

2216
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 5: And that's also going to be just a huge business

2217
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 5: venture because it's going to draw, it's going to prop

2218
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if it'll break records, but it's going

2219
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 5: to be huge business for Netflix, right.

2220
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 6: So I don't know.

2221
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 5: I maybe not in the long term, but in the

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01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 5: short term. I feel like that and especially JDS, right

2223
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 5: because now you're I think that an old JDS. I mean,

2224
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 5: if it Jelton I is going to show up and

2225
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 5: do something that would be maybe a guy that you

2226
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:43,799
Speaker 5: could do that against.

2227
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say, I guess always had really

2228
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: good takedown defense. He did. Even when Caine got him down.

2229
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: He was pretty for the most I mean, he would

2230
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 1: get abused on the way up, but he was pretty

2231
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: good about resisting the takedown. Shane Carwin couldn't do shit

2232
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 1: to him early for the most part.

2233
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

2234
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: So my thought is this, like I don't I can't

2235
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 1: believe I'm saying this. I don't know if it's a

2236
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: good matchup for Johnson Almana.

2237
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 6: You know, hmm, how old is JDS.

2238
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 5: He's got to be He's got to go hold there, man,

2239
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 5: So I mean that's and the other one like and

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01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 5: somebody brought this up to me, They're like, why not

2241
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 5: get Caine Velasquez now that he's out, And I was like,

2242
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 5: that's such a crazy that's such a crazy thought, right

2243
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,600
Speaker 5: because his dude has just been like dealing with this

2244
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 5: prison thing for up until now, and all of a

2245
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 5: sudden you would have, like, imagine how compelling that would

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01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 5: be if he was in the fight shape and he

2247
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 5: was going to come back.

2248
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: Juju do Santos just turned forty two. Okay, that's not

2249
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 1: too bad. I thought he was a little older than that.

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01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:44,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean he had the shoulder injury. It

2251
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 1: was his last fight, that was the Eagle FC one. No,

2252
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: he had two Game Bread Bare Knuckles. He split decision

2253
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 1: for Brisio in twenty twenty three, and then he had

2254
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: one in twenty twenty four where Tko Alan Belcher. He

2255
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: won the inaugural Game Bread Bare Knuckle MMA heavyweight championship

2256
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 1: that apparently is not a time title at heavy rotation.

2257
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't It really just comes down to

2258
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 1: what he was being offered. But if he was trying

2259
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 1: to get to a fight where he could look good,

2260
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 1: you might say, oh, a forty two year old JDS.

2261
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I I'm not so sure. I'm

2262
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: actually not so sure.

2263
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, we're saying that my connection is a

2264
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 5: little weird. So I'm gonna luke you handled this one.

2265
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 5: I'm gonna click back out and come back in.

2266
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:22,680
Speaker 6: All right.

2267
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Sounds good?

2268
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 3: All right.

2269
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: Question number three from John Winklfred out of potential opponents

2270
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: for Garcia, Oh, good question. How would you rank in

2271
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 1: terms of difficulty for him? Easy?

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01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 3: This is easy?

2273
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 1: All right. So the choices are Connor, Ben Shakoor, Liam Paro,

2274
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 1: and Liam Paro and then Hani rematch. I put Liam

2275
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 1: Paro at the bottom of the list. I put Connor

2276
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 1: slightly above that. Actually I'm not sure about that. Maybe

2277
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Connor at the bottom than Liam above that. You could

2278
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: maybe replace those two hany next, and then Shakur at

2279
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: the top. I kind of feel like Shakur is far

2280
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,680
Speaker 1: and away the most difficult tests or what do you

2281
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 1: think toughest fight is Shakur? Then Haney and then what Okay,

2282
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:06,639
Speaker 1: see here, let's see.

2283
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 7: Uh.

2284
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 6: I agree with you. I think that's in that that's

2285
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 6: in that order.

2286
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Yep. And so for that reason, people like, oh the

2287
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: Shaqur fight should be next. I just don't think it

2288
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: would be next. I mean, maybe maybe they find a

2289
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 1: way to make him next, but I don't think so.

2290
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna take something of an easier fight

2291
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 1: along the way, you know, before we get you forget

2292
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: something like that.

2293
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:31,640
Speaker 6: Is he gonna end up with the Lewis Crocker like

2294
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 6: things gonna end up with the other one.

2295
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: Nobody's mentioned. Yeah, yeah, all right, let's go to the

2296
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 1: next question from Tevik Papa the Hawaiian fucking legend. Best

2297
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 1: doctor Ero Schmitic, Anthony Fauci, doctor Dre, doctor j Oh,

2298
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:53,720
Speaker 1: doctor Pepper, or Luke's favorite doctor Angela White. Jack's not

2299
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: my favorite, but I just like bringing the up because

2300
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 1: it's funny. Do you know who Angela white is?

2301
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 3: Chuck?

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01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:58,720
Speaker 6: I don't she the one who?

2303
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 1: You liar? Yes, you do?

2304
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 6: I know you do your pants around your ankles?

2305
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 8: Uh?

2306
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: Got a favorite doctor of those? Doctor Dre.

2307
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, like doctor Dre pops out, Doctor

2308
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 6: j was, Doctor j was cool though.

2309
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: Doctors between those? So I do love a good doctor Pepper.

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01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: I'll be honest and.

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01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 6: Occasionally, man, occasionally I try to stay away from it.

2312
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 6: It's just a certain age. You're like, that's no good

2313
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 6: for me, you know, but I do like it every day.

2314
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:33,679
Speaker 6: Look at that? What is that a diet?

2315
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, zero sugar, root beer, no caffeine. No, I do

2316
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: like root beer. I do like root beer. All right,

2317
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 1: I think we got at least maybe two more maybe, uh,

2318
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 1: Declan Beatson. Uh, a witch has come and cursed. MK.

2319
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 1: Both hosts now have to look the same. Does Luke

2320
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: shave the beard and put on a hat? Or does

2321
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: Chuck grow and uh the beard and take off the hat?

2322
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: Those rules strictly apply. How is the show moving forward?

2323
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:06,479
Speaker 5: I don't think I can grow that kind of beard, man,

2324
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 5: Like You've got a nice lush beard there like this.

2325
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can. I could do that

2326
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 5: doesn't grow in as as well. I'm not like a

2327
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:17,560
Speaker 5: wild animal, dude, I don't know.

2328
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 6: How do you?

2329
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: How do you what's left on your head? How do

2330
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 1: you trim it?

2331
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 5: Do you just shave like a oh, I just got

2332
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 5: like a clippers, you know, and you just take off

2333
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 5: all you know, you just shave the.

2334
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, it takes like two minutes.

2335
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: Long island long island. You get a haircut? How does

2336
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:34,719
Speaker 1: it work? What's what's your process. Oh I need a haircut?

2337
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 3: What do you do? I go to the barber and

2338
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 3: you call them.

2339
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:39,919
Speaker 1: Do you do like you make an appointment?

2340
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go walk in. I go walk in because

2341
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 3: I'm a freelance so you know, most people are at

2342
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 3: work nine to five during the week. I just go

2343
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 3: on like a Tuesday at eleven am. No one's there,

2344
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, and there's I don't I'm not picky. There's

2345
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 3: like one good barber there that everyone likes, and then

2346
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 3: there's like two guys on the side. I'll take the

2347
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 3: guys on the side. I don't give fun.

2348
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 1: That's yeah, it sho it shows. Yeah you I was

2349
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 1: gonna say money on yours.

2350
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 7: No.

2351
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 1: I used to spend a bunch of money, and now

2352
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 1: I spend far, far less. I mean it's hard to get. Like,

2353
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 1: I don't know where you would go for a haircut

2354
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 1: in the city for less than fifty bucks. I don't know.

2355
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 1: I just don't even know where that would be. But

2356
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 1: I got one guy who does it for like fifty

2357
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 1: depending on what I get, fifty or sixty.

2358
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 3: But there's a.

2359
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 1: Process to it. He puts it up like he doesn't

2360
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: allow walkins. And what he does is it it's like

2361
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. So it's like it's cheap, it's in

2362
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 1: my neighborhood. And I like the guy and I feel

2363
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: like it is a good job. So like I just

2364
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: can't abandon the process. But what he does is he

2365
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 1: just creates He's got all his appointments on an app

2366
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 1: and he opens them all up on Sundays at noon,

2367
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: and so you just got to be like one of

2368
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,600
Speaker 1: the first people to get it. Otherwise you have to

2369
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 1: go at like a weird time or you just missed

2370
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: the whole fucking week. So like, you know, on weeks

2371
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 1: where I needed I'll be like, I'll look at the

2372
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 1: clock and be like to in the afternoon, I'm like,

2373
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:55,679
Speaker 1: oh fuck, and I'll go check and all the appointments

2374
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 1: are all booked up for the week and that demand.

2375
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 1: So then I have to ad yeah, I can't. I

2376
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: guess there's not a natural way for me to do it.

2377
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 1: So then I end up having these spots where like

2378
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 1: you could look at this ship hanging off, look at

2379
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 1: this look at dumb I need I need some help,

2380
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 1: you know. There you go, all right, Uh that is

2381
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:14,680
Speaker 1: it for dms from donks. What are we doing? For

2382
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 1: the rest of this part.

2383
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 3: I don't even know we're doing higher or lower Everyone's

2384
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 3: favorite game, guys. I just say every game is everyone's

2385
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,600
Speaker 3: favorite game. But I'll give you, guys a scenario. You

2386
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 3: tell me if you're taking the higher or ride LT

2387
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 3: You're up first. You just mentioned earlier we were talking

2388
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 3: about getting rid of heavyweight.

2389
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:38,799
Speaker 1: Earlier.

2390
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,759
Speaker 3: You know it's barely hanging on women's bandon weight obviously

2391
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 3: also barely hanging on even though the loan finish on

2392
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 3: the dumb in a women's spandom weight fight. But you know,

2393
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:50,799
Speaker 3: either way, I feel like there's arguably a few divisions

2394
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 3: you could argue getting rid of. So my question to you, Luke,

2395
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 3: is higher and lower than two and a half the

2396
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 3: amount of UFC divisions that you would abolish right now

2397
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 3: if you were in charge.

2398
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,719
Speaker 1: So I'm going to take the under. And the reason

2399
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 1: why is because I believe in being some Okay, I

2400
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 1: mean I don't think getting rid of divisions is a

2401
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: conservative act. I don't mean politically. I mean like, I'm

2402
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: not going over the to a crazy amount. What I'm

2403
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 1: saying is I could see a case for more, but

2404
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 1: I think to start, you just formally officially close forty five.

2405
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: I know it's basically closed anyway, but I'm just saying, you've, like,

2406
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 1: make it official, we're done in the forty five business,

2407
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: and then you know, I would probably get rid of

2408
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: heavyweight too, at least temporarily.

2409
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 3: You know.

2410
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 1: Again, I've seen you see get rid of divisions. I

2411
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 1: saw them get rid of light Way and bring it back,

2412
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 1: like you can bring divisions back. But for the time being,

2413
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,679
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the point is unless they make changes,

2414
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 1: right Unange, so too.

2415
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 3: Chuck, you're taking the under as well?

2416
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 5: Or yeah, I mean the one forty five should have

2417
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 5: been long gun because what are they doing with it?

2418
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 5: But I'm at the exact same the exact same thing.

2419
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 5: I don't know if I would pull the plug on

2420
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 5: ultimately pull the plug on heavyweight, but I agree they

2421
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 5: just got to, like, you've got to do something with

2422
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 5: it because right now it's a hopeless wasteland.

2423
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Chuck, Well over to you, Uh Brandon Morino.

2424
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 3: I was headlining UFC Mexico City this weekend, and we

2425
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 3: also just got official word that Josh Van is defending

2426
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 3: his title against Tatsuro Tyra at UFC three twenty seven.

2427
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 3: Moreno obviously just lost to Tyra, but he still hasn't

2428
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 3: fought josh Van Manel, cop Kyoji Hoa, Gucci to name

2429
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 3: a few contenders. So, given how the division could play

2430
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:31,560
Speaker 3: out for the next year or so, my question to

2431
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 3: you is higher or lower than one half? So one

2432
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 3: uh the amount of times Brandon Moreno will fight for

2433
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 3: a UFC title for the remainder of his Ooh, that's tough, man, right,

2434
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 3: because a lot of things could happen.

2435
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 5: Didn't say he'd win it, just fight for it. Yeah, yeah,

2436
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 5: I would go over that. He's so good Manlan. He's

2437
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 5: not that old like you feel like he is because

2438
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 5: he's been around for a while, but he's really not

2439
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 5: that old.

2440
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 6: So will I will say over.

2441
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 5: But it's gonna be a bit because I mean, unless

2442
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 5: some circumstances intervene. I just I feel like with Joshuva

2443
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 5: and Pantosia obviously like is going to come back. You

2444
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 5: still have more Gucci, so it's gonna be a minute.

2445
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,760
Speaker 5: But he's also you notice he gets a big pop

2446
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 5: man like every time they show him, like he's he's

2447
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 5: really developed into a bigger star than I think people understand.

2448
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 5: But if you're in the building and they show him

2449
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 5: like he gets a big pop. So I feel like

2450
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 5: the UFC likes him. So I'll say, over.

2451
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 1: LT, I'll take the under.

2452
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, do you think he loses this weekend?

2453
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 3: He's a big favorite.

2454
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he loses this weekend. Certainly he shouldn't.

2455
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can all agree there. I

2456
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,560
Speaker 1: guess what I would say is dudema. I found it

2457
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 1: to be so weird and so strange where you think guys,

2458
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, oh they're they they'll hold serve to to

2459
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:55,479
Speaker 1: borrow from the terminology that the tennis terminology that Chuck

2460
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 1: used earlier, where it's like you know they'll be they'll

2461
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: be back there and then they never get back there.

2462
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: That's seen it in times that just totally surprised me.

2463
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 1: So I'll say I'll take the under.

2464
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:06,720
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough, lt Uh. We know you're a

2465
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 3: diehard TKO fan. You'll follow the brand regardless.

2466
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 1: Anyway. I'm wearing their clone right now on my ball.

2467
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 3: We're talking power slap, we're talking UFC fragrances, and we're

2468
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:20,680
Speaker 3: especially talking zoofa boxing. So my question to you of

2469
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 3: their twenty four total bouts, higher or lower than five

2470
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 3: and a half the amount of ZUFA boxing fights that

2471
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:29,480
Speaker 3: you've watched live.

2472
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: Oh, over the over the If the over unders five

2473
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 1: and a half, it's over. I watched almost the entire

2474
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 1: first card live.

2475
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, see I knew Chuck too.

2476
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 6: That was hostage there. I had to watch it.

2477
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:46,599
Speaker 7: Now.

2478
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess my question for Chuck then, is Chuck,

2479
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,280
Speaker 3: since that first card in the next two, I'll put

2480
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 3: the over under it like two and a half. Have

2481
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 3: you watched any of those live?

2482
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:57,360
Speaker 1: No, not live?

2483
01:49:57,680 --> 01:49:59,560
Speaker 5: I've caught up, Like they had the one card, what

2484
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 5: was it the third card where they had some knockouts

2485
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 5: pretty good one to that uppercut so I saw, like

2486
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 5: I went back and watched those, but like, no.

2487
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:08,760
Speaker 3: Not live. Okay, that was the only card that I

2488
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 3: actually caught live. I caught those like three knockouts live.

2489
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 3: But that's all I really want.

2490
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 6: That was their best event so far, I guess for sure.

2491
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 3: Chuck. Jack Hughes Let's Go America scored the ot game

2492
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:23,760
Speaker 3: winner for the USA men's Olympic hockey team yesterday, first

2493
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:27,640
Speaker 3: gold medal in forty six years. Whole tournament was really

2494
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 3: fun to watch. It was great to see our boy

2495
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 3: Chuck Islanders and Avalanche legend brock Nelson. Again, my question

2496
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 3: to you, is higher or lower than three and a

2497
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:40,679
Speaker 3: half the amount of men's Olympic hockey games that you watched?

2498
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 6: It's lower, n did you think would be higher.

2499
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,479
Speaker 3: You'd be all over it. Honestly, I thought you'd be into.

2500
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 6: There's like I have a.

2501
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:52,679
Speaker 5: Hard time with the Olympics. Some of it is because

2502
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:55,719
Speaker 5: of the times, Like you know, we got kids. Yeah,

2503
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:58,800
Speaker 5: it's tough. It is tough to like grown kids. Chuck's

2504
01:50:58,840 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 5: kids are adults.

2505
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,759
Speaker 6: But uh but no, man, it was. It was definitely

2506
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 6: I think I want I mean so basically.

2507
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 1: Really one.

2508
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 5: I mean the only one though, if you look at

2509
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,800
Speaker 5: just the full way through, it was just the last one.

2510
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 5: So I did watch that.

2511
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 3: That game is epic. I woke up early for it,

2512
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:17,559
Speaker 3: hungover as shit. It was a good time.

2513
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was fun.

2514
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 3: LT We talked about connor Ben getting fifteen million, a

2515
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 3: fight that surely has to upset a lot of UFC fighters,

2516
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,200
Speaker 3: but we all know they're all reluctant to speak up.

2517
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 3: They're not gonna be about it in fear of upsetting

2518
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 3: the baby beater in charge. So my question to you

2519
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:38,720
Speaker 3: is higher lower than zero point five the amount of

2520
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,679
Speaker 3: UFC fighters that will receive a raise as a result

2521
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:42,759
Speaker 3: of the Connor ben signing.

2522
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 1: Here, what's that scene from The Godfather was? I think

2523
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:49,920
Speaker 1: it was Godfather too, where he was like, my offer

2524
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: is nothing. That is yeah, that's that's gonna be Nick

2525
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:55,600
Speaker 1: conn Nick con by the way, deserves a lot of

2526
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 1: credit for the signing, but it's gonna be Nick con

2527
01:51:57,600 --> 01:51:58,960
Speaker 1: and Daniel when they're like, well, I want more money.

2528
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 1: I saw what you guys were giving out for Connor,

2529
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be like, right, my offer is nothing, zero, nothing,

2530
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 1: It will do nothing.

2531
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 6: And we'll accept it, thank you.

2532
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:10,559
Speaker 3: They're gonna be like, you know what, ud I think

2533
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 3: they're gonna hook up people they like. And when I

2534
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 3: say hook up, it's gonna be so miniscule in the

2535
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 3: grand scheme. But the fighters are gonna think like they're

2536
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 3: gonna be like, we'll give you an extra fifty K

2537
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 3: next time, and they're gonna be like, fuck, yeah, I'm

2538
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 3: getting an extra fIF like the people they like. I'm

2539
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 3: talking like Patty and Ship, you know, like fighters they

2540
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is, how would.

2541
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 1: You disentangle that from what you could attribute to the

2542
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 1: paramount money.

2543
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, it's the same thing.

2544
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:38,680
Speaker 3: They probably all got a little bump. I know, like, uh,

2545
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 3: who's a fucking is he's manager, he's all the like

2546
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 3: ausie guys managers.

2547
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know who you're talking about.

2548
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:47,600
Speaker 6: Tim from Simpson he h.

2549
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 3: He mentioned like or one of his fighters mentioned like,

2550
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:52,360
Speaker 3: I got a raise for the paramount thing, and then

2551
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 3: they were like shout out Tim, like I'm sure all

2552
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 3: Tim's fighters got raises there. He's in good stand, you

2553
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like he's a good man strickly. Yeah,

2554
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 3: well he ain't represented by ten. But I'm just saying,

2555
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 3: I feel like some guys are gonna get hooked up,

2556
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 3: but it's not going to be anything, and they're going

2557
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:08,559
Speaker 3: to think they're getting hooked up.

2558
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 1: I get it from the paramount money. I could see

2559
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 1: it raised certainly from just what Connor Ben got all

2560
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 1: because of Connor Ben.

2561
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 3: No. No, yeah, all right, all right, fair enough.

2562
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 5: They're still beg begging for the bonuses after their fights. Man,

2563
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:21,599
Speaker 5: it's crazy, true, Chuck.

2564
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 3: A storyline this week was Dan Egay changing his nickname

2565
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 3: from fifty k to one hundred grand, and everyone was

2566
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:29,720
Speaker 3: debating which one sounded better. This reminded me of when

2567
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 3: Ilia changed his nickname for a day and then took

2568
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 3: it back. It got me thinking of other iconic nicknames

2569
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 3: in the sport, like the man in the Hat for example,

2570
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:40,639
Speaker 3: and how weird it would be if you just decided

2571
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:44,839
Speaker 3: one day you're changing it so higher lower than fifty

2572
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,720
Speaker 3: thousand dollars the amount of money it would cost you

2573
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:51,120
Speaker 3: to change your nickname to Chuck fifty k into hall.

2574
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 5: I mean at this point, like I mean, and by

2575
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 5: the way, like at these are named like Luke calls

2576
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 5: me iceman. I mean, it's just these are names bestowed

2577
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 5: on you. It's not like I chose them. The man confused.

2578
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 5: I mean I guess, so you gotta take that money, right, Yeah,

2579
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:10,640
Speaker 5: just take the money right? Like, it's just why not,

2580
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 5: I don't mind being fifty k ending all that's right?

2581
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 3: That works. What's the minimum you would take to be

2582
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 3: called and then the middle of day your nickname becomes that?

2583
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 5: So like I have integrity, fifty k is the line, man,

2584
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 5: I mean, that's where it's at, you know, so fair enough?

2585
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, LT, how much would it cost you to just

2586
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 3: go buy a nickname other than like something's embarrassing something

2587
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 3: you hate ten bucks next live chat someone we're calling

2588
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 3: them something.

2589
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, my new name is d Blower. It's actually from.

2590
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 3: Luke. We know you trained in your twenties and thirties,

2591
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:51,840
Speaker 3: which would have arguably been your athletic prime. With the

2592
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 3: state of heavyweight today and how bad some of the

2593
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 3: top fifteen guys have looked, my question to you is

2594
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 3: higher or lower than point five the amount of current

2595
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 3: top ten or sorry, top fifteen heavyweights You could beat

2596
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 3: every one out of ten times in your athletic prime,

2597
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 3: so you just got to beat him once.

2598
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:15,400
Speaker 1: If I was in my prime, yeah, and I fought

2599
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 1: the current roster will through a time machine ten times,

2600
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 1: and I had ten times to fight him. How many

2601
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:22,200
Speaker 1: wins could I get?

2602
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 3: Could you get at least one win if you fought

2603
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 3: every top fifteen heavyweight?

2604
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 7: Right?

2605
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 1: Look at the rankings. I mean the answer is almost

2606
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 1: certainly no. But man, I feel like I sparred with

2607
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 1: scarier people in my time than we had with the

2608
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 1: rosters on the roster.

2609
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:39,120
Speaker 3: Who took the fifteen spot.

2610
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:42,120
Speaker 1: Now that Jalaton's up, make park in Volter Walker l

2611
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 1: Ghaziev trade with him, you know, I mean probably not

2612
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 1: probably zero, you know, but I might take a couple

2613
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:49,160
Speaker 1: of rounds here and there.

2614
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:52,120
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that I was hoping you'd be this

2615
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 3: and be like fucking over way over.

2616
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 1: With guys that had I mean, I so fucking I remember,

2617
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:01,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the first time I went to like

2618
01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:04,480
Speaker 1: a the pro fighter's class and they were doing sparring

2619
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 1: in one of these fucking boxing rings, and there was

2620
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:08,880
Speaker 1: a dude in there who literally before it was my

2621
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 1: turn to go spar him, he viciously chaoed the guy

2622
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 1: in front of me, and I was like, oh, my

2623
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 1: fucking guy. And he didn't make it very far in

2624
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 1: the regional scene at all, Like he kind of I mean,

2625
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't his primary occupation, but he didn't. He didn't

2626
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 1: like make it very far. So I'm gonna give these

2627
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 1: guys a little bit of respect, but you know, yeah,

2628
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 1: there's been a decline, let's put it that way.

2629
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 3: Chuck. I know your fellow crackhead PZ Carol loves his

2630
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:36,800
Speaker 3: Guinness and you've been known to throw a few.

2631
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:42,360
Speaker 1: Most overrated beer on Earth, by the way. Oahara, all right,

2632
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 1: I pas, I don't even like Okay, just straight up

2633
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 1: don't like him. Guinness I actually like, but people talk

2634
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 1: about guinness, Okay, I like, you know, some angel dipped

2635
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 1: his balls in him and all of a sudden, this

2636
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 1: is what its all right?

2637
01:56:56,840 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of how many times has PZ dipped his no,

2638
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 3: just uh my question to you, Chuck, is higher or

2639
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 3: lower than eight and a half the average number of

2640
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 3: guinness you consume you personally on a night out with

2641
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:10,680
Speaker 3: PZZ Carol.

2642
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:11,600
Speaker 6: Eight and a half?

2643
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 3: I just feel like he's got to be pounding them

2644
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 3: all night, right, Like I'm thinking, we're we're at we're

2645
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 3: in this.

2646
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 1: This is this So PZZ plus Chuck or.

2647
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 3: Just this is like all right? Maybe like with pt

2648
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:24,080
Speaker 3: how many is pizza?

2649
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 5: And if we're drinking guinness he puts them away like

2650
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 5: eight and a half. That seems like a big number,

2651
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:35,080
Speaker 5: but it would be over I'm sure because he like

2652
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 5: he talks about you know, a dozen of those things

2653
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:39,280
Speaker 5: like he can he can put them away. So I'm

2654
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:41,120
Speaker 5: guessing if you were trying to hang out with him

2655
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 5: and they did something like this last time in New York,

2656
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 5: they did some kind of pub crawl and he went

2657
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:46,840
Speaker 5: over that number. So I'm feeling I feel like if

2658
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 5: you were keeping pace with him, I don't know if

2659
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:49,840
Speaker 5: I could, to be honest, but it.

2660
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:51,880
Speaker 1: Would be over that number, all right, Hell yeah, that's

2661
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 1: what I want to You know what, I gotta say this,

2662
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 1: I fucking love day drinking day. Drinking truly might be

2663
01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things, but it's loser behavior for

2664
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:01,680
Speaker 1: the most part.

2665
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 6: On a Sunday, I've engaged in plenty of life.

2666
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 1: Listen, listen. Tailgating is fucking great. Yeah, pub crawling I've

2667
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 1: done a million of them. I had a great time

2668
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 1: every day. I mean, this is this is the contradiction

2669
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 1: of my life. I love those things, but it's dub

2670
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 1: t make no mistake about it.

2671
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:24,879
Speaker 3: True. Luke, you mentioned on your watch along on Saturday

2672
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 3: that you're considering getting rid of some of your tattoos.

2673
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I am.

2674
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, we know BC was obsessed with the naval

2675
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:32,840
Speaker 3: tat so naturally I just have to ask, is that

2676
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:33,880
Speaker 3: one of the ones you're considered.

2677
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:34,920
Speaker 1: No, No, it's a different one.

2678
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 3: Okay. My real question, though, is higher or lower than

2679
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:41,120
Speaker 3: two and a half the amount of tattoos you were

2680
01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 3: considering getting rid of?

2681
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 1: Higher? Wow?

2682
01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:47,560
Speaker 3: How many do you have total? Right now? Good questions?

2683
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 1: Let me think one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

2684
01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 1: I have ten I'm gonna get rid of at least

2685
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 1: a third of thee. I was thinking three, Okay, yeah,

2686
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:04,040
Speaker 1: I've got one on my back. I don't like I've

2687
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 1: got one on my chest. I was gonna get this

2688
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 1: one covered up, but now I'm like, I don't know

2689
01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 1: if I want to get it covered up. I don't

2690
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 1: know if I want. Dude, I've had like a bit

2691
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:14,040
Speaker 1: of a midlife crisis. I mean, I'm dead fucking serious

2692
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 1: about this where I don't know what I like anymore,

2693
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,600
Speaker 1: like and this is like like not even just professionally

2694
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 1: or what, like, do I like the same music? What

2695
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 1: about the foods?

2696
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 3: What I mean, like I've had blood just isn't hitting

2697
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 3: as hard as it used to again, as hard as

2698
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:37,200
Speaker 3: it used to. You know, You're like, do I like

2699
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 3: this music anymore?

2700
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 7: Well?

2701
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: I still kind of like that, but even I don't listen.

2702
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:45,040
Speaker 1: Like the thing about that kind of music is you

2703
01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:46,960
Speaker 1: just can't listen to it regularly. Like I do like it,

2704
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:48,320
Speaker 1: but I can't listen to it every day. It's just

2705
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,280
Speaker 1: too much. But what I mean to say is like

2706
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 1: I've been looking at my tattoos and I'm like I

2707
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:54,480
Speaker 1: don't like these anymore, you know, And so you have

2708
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:55,840
Speaker 1: a choice when that happens, you have a choice. You

2709
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 1: can do nothing and just a guy who cares, which

2710
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people do too. You can get it removed.

2711
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 1: Three you can get it covered up. And I'm like, well,

2712
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:04,280
Speaker 1: if the issue is I don't like the tattoo, do

2713
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:07,080
Speaker 1: I want to just get littered with more tattoos? No?

2714
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 1: I think I want to erase some of them and

2715
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:11,520
Speaker 1: then keep the ones I like that I've gotten more

2716
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:13,000
Speaker 1: recently and put a little more money into. But dude,

2717
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 1: I got I got a tattoo on my chest here

2718
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:17,360
Speaker 1: I hate and I got it when I was I

2719
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:20,280
Speaker 1: got it when I was nineteen at Red Dragon Tattoo

2720
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:24,640
Speaker 1: in Charlottesville, Virginia. Like, it's like, what the fuck am

2721
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:25,360
Speaker 1: I keeping that around?

2722
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,160
Speaker 3: Elsie. My other question to you about tattoos real quick,

2723
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 3: is of the three you're getting rid of, what number

2724
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:32,800
Speaker 3: tattoos were those?

2725
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 6: So you're at ten right now?

2726
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:37,840
Speaker 1: That's a good question. On So that's a good question.

2727
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 1: So the one on my chests would be number the

2728
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:42,480
Speaker 1: second one I ever got, so I was number two.

2729
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:44,960
Speaker 1: The one on my back I'm thinking about getting rid

2730
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:49,320
Speaker 1: of would be either three or four, and then there's

2731
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 1: another one that would be so so two, three, and four.

2732
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly the order in which three and

2733
02:00:58,680 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 1: four go, but it would be the first one and

2734
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:01,760
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be five on.

2735
02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:04,720
Speaker 3: Maybe if you were trying to get rid of ones

2736
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:06,400
Speaker 3: you got more later in life, I'd be like, Woa,

2737
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:06,800
Speaker 3: why'd you know?

2738
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:09,080
Speaker 1: No those ones? This this the one I got. I

2739
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:11,360
Speaker 1: will tell you this, I'll show it to you. So

2740
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:14,520
Speaker 1: this one I got of the DC flag, I'm going

2741
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:16,160
Speaker 1: to keep it. But I'm actually I think I'm gonna

2742
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:19,920
Speaker 1: get a recolored I'm gonna get a colored black because

2743
02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:23,680
Speaker 1: this was designed to look like a stamp rather than

2744
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:29,040
Speaker 1: an imprint. But the the the coloring that the guy used,

2745
02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:30,880
Speaker 1: again I didn't know much about tattooing at the time.

2746
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:34,240
Speaker 1: The coloring the guy used has faded and it's not

2747
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:38,160
Speaker 1: worked as intended. And also it's a different red than

2748
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 1: the red here, than the red here and then the

2749
02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:42,800
Speaker 1: red here. So I'm thinking about just making it the

2750
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:45,360
Speaker 1: same color as this one to create a more consistent

2751
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 1: color profile. But I don't I don't have any plans

2752
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:49,440
Speaker 1: of removing that one.

2753
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:52,680
Speaker 6: It's expensive to get a tattoo removed.

2754
02:01:53,720 --> 02:01:56,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm about to find out. I'm about to find out.

2755
02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:00,240
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you go for like twenty sessions that

2756
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:01,440
Speaker 3: much and each session is.

2757
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:03,320
Speaker 1: I think it depends on how this this tattoo I

2758
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:04,880
Speaker 1: have here is not very big, and I don't think

2759
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 1: it would take twenty sessions to ring.

2760
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 3: Oh maybe not. Yeah, maybe it depends on the size.

2761
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:11,360
Speaker 3: All right, Uh, Chuck. We once put up a lower

2762
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:14,680
Speaker 3: for you during pregame preview that said from Colorado, but

2763
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 3: doesn't smoke weed, And to this day, I still don't

2764
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:21,440
Speaker 3: even know if that's true. So with how acceptable weed

2765
02:02:21,560 --> 02:02:24,600
Speaker 3: is now, it feels inevitable that you would have been

2766
02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 3: in a situation where, at least if you didn't have some,

2767
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:30,600
Speaker 3: someone you know had some. So my question to you

2768
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:34,000
Speaker 3: is higher lower than point five the amount of times

2769
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:36,880
Speaker 3: you've consumed cannabis in the last three hundred and sixty

2770
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:37,400
Speaker 3: five days.

2771
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:42,600
Speaker 6: It's under because I haven't done it, but I've done plenty.

2772
02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:47,760
Speaker 1: Of life, I said, put them on the spot.

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02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:49,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I mean.

2774
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:53,920
Speaker 1: You go to nope, destroy your future opportunities. This is

2775
02:02:53,960 --> 02:02:55,000
Speaker 1: what this is show is all about.

2776
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 5: Now, you know, to this day, like if it just

2777
02:02:57,720 --> 02:02:59,600
Speaker 5: you know the circles you run in. It's not like

2778
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:01,640
Speaker 5: I mean the people eating the gummies and stuff more

2779
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:04,520
Speaker 5: than than doing that. But at the same time, like

2780
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:07,640
Speaker 5: it's been a while man like, but I'm like, you know,

2781
02:03:08,240 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 5: but I am from Colorado man, and uh you know.

2782
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:15,960
Speaker 1: Bro that Colorado weed, Colorado man. Yes, you're not fucking

2783
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:18,920
Speaker 1: around out there, No, Ben, do you want to go though?

2784
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,560
Speaker 6: Look at a good time with Gloria one time.

2785
02:03:21,720 --> 02:03:25,080
Speaker 1: I do recall that. Yeah, I mean that's God damn.

2786
02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:29,600
Speaker 3: Uh Eltie. You've mentioned that he sends you a bunch

2787
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:31,200
Speaker 3: and I've seen some of it in our own group

2788
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:34,520
Speaker 3: pat with BC. We know he loves sending conspiracy theories.

2789
02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:36,640
Speaker 1: Dude, right, let me let me let me stop there,

2790
02:03:36,680 --> 02:03:41,120
Speaker 1: stop there, you might ruin the over under. Listen to

2791
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:43,920
Speaker 1: me for a second. If you're a fan of Brian Campbell,

2792
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:46,720
Speaker 1: you need to engage in a well a digital wellness

2793
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:51,640
Speaker 1: check on this man. My guy this morning is sending

2794
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:56,960
Speaker 1: me conspiracy theories all day, yesterday and today all weekend.

2795
02:03:57,480 --> 02:04:02,840
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, he my guy, loves conspiracies as much as

2796
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:05,440
Speaker 1: he likes straweights. I'm just gonna put it that way, Okay, Oh.

2797
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:07,120
Speaker 3: My God, like that all right. Well, I have a

2798
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:09,320
Speaker 3: feeling I made this over under way too low. But

2799
02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 3: my question to you is higher or lower than nineteen

2800
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:16,640
Speaker 3: and a half the amount of conspiracy theory related content

2801
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:18,919
Speaker 3: that Brian Campbell has sent you in the last Dude.

2802
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:20,760
Speaker 1: You should have done nineteen and a half to the

2803
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:24,560
Speaker 1: nineteenth and a half power to even get close to

2804
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 1: the number. This is a gross under lord, what are

2805
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:29,840
Speaker 1: we talking about?

2806
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 3: Triple digits could easily seven days seven day.

2807
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:38,160
Speaker 1: Could easily be yeah, honestly, could easily be like it's

2808
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:41,280
Speaker 1: you whatever you think it is, it's ten x that amount.

2809
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:43,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, And part of that is because his number for

2810
02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:45,520
Speaker 6: the marijuana thing is over.

2811
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:51,520
Speaker 1: Also, in fairness to him and Chuck, you'll appreciate this.

2812
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 1: He's right about this because we were we were I

2813
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:55,920
Speaker 1: was talking to I was chatting with him yesterday and

2814
02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:57,600
Speaker 1: we were talking and I was like, Dude, this weather

2815
02:04:57,680 --> 02:04:59,840
Speaker 1: has fucking this winter has been terrible. This was a

2816
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:02,840
Speaker 1: terrible winter. Because I don't know how you guys feel.

2817
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:04,680
Speaker 1: We had you guys, I think you guys had it

2818
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:07,160
Speaker 1: too this well. I think you'all streets may have been

2819
02:05:07,160 --> 02:05:09,240
Speaker 1: cleared better, but we had the snow creek here I've

2820
02:05:09,240 --> 02:05:11,280
Speaker 1: been talking about that. Oh yeah, you didn't get much snow,

2821
02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 1: but then it instantly froze and just sat in the road.

2822
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,560
Speaker 1: I felt more trapped here during the last month than

2823
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:20,480
Speaker 1: I ever felt during the pandemic because most of that time,

2824
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:23,440
Speaker 1: because you remember, the pandemic didn't really kick into high

2825
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:26,240
Speaker 1: gear until like late February March or whatever, so by

2826
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:28,600
Speaker 1: that point you're kind of already outside. And again, I'm

2827
02:05:28,640 --> 02:05:30,400
Speaker 1: not saying that the pandemic didn't have a lot of

2828
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:32,480
Speaker 1: like negative effects for people. Of course it did. I'm

2829
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 1: just trying to point out I felt I personally felt

2830
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:38,560
Speaker 1: less constrained by that at that time. I have felt

2831
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:42,440
Speaker 1: like I've got cabin fever to the degree. And was

2832
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:45,760
Speaker 1: also admitting that the cold weather and then everything was

2833
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:47,960
Speaker 1: was not his favorite. Let's plit that way.

2834
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was affecting him. Yes, it's affected me too.

2835
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:53,960
Speaker 3: I'm going crazy bad, dude. Well that's my stucks that

2836
02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:55,760
Speaker 3: we just got this storm. I'm like, the snow was

2837
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:57,880
Speaker 3: finally going it was finally warm this week, it was

2838
02:05:57,920 --> 02:05:59,720
Speaker 3: starting to go away, and then it just saw about it.

2839
02:06:00,200 --> 02:06:01,400
Speaker 1: Dude, on the fuck your head up for sure?

2840
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, chuck, last one for you more of

2841
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:05,240
Speaker 3: a was already stupid.

2842
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:05,720
Speaker 1: Sorry.

2843
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:06,120
Speaker 7: Uh.

2844
02:06:06,680 --> 02:06:09,200
Speaker 3: Headed into twenty twenty six, I thought women's ban and

2845
02:06:09,200 --> 02:06:12,120
Speaker 3: Weight had the opportunity. I won't say it was a guarantee,

2846
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:13,760
Speaker 3: but for a bit of a resurgence. You know, we

2847
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:16,320
Speaker 3: had a Manda versus Caleb booked. It seems like, Okay,

2848
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:19,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna see some fun fights here. Possibly then Kayla

2849
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:21,440
Speaker 3: gets the next surgery. A whole division just goes back

2850
02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:24,520
Speaker 3: to complete irrelevance. I don't even know if there's more

2851
02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:27,120
Speaker 3: than fifteen women's band weight on the roster or if

2852
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:29,920
Speaker 3: the top fifteen is just the fifteen women's band and

2853
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 3: weight that's all through four cards so far in twenty

2854
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:36,040
Speaker 3: twenty six, we have had two women's band and weight

2855
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:40,120
Speaker 3: fights already. So my question to you is including those

2856
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:42,920
Speaker 3: two higher or lower than nine and a half the

2857
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:45,680
Speaker 3: amount of women's ban and weight fights the UFC puts

2858
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:47,280
Speaker 3: on this entire calendar year.

2859
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:51,160
Speaker 6: Wow, you know, I do like the rankings at y'allhoo

2860
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:52,880
Speaker 6: liked that. And what you realize because you.

2861
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:54,760
Speaker 5: Have to kind of write this blurbage to like, oh,

2862
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:56,800
Speaker 5: this is what they're doing, and how many of them

2863
02:06:56,840 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 5: are just inactive for large periods of time.

2864
02:07:03,080 --> 02:07:04,440
Speaker 6: I'd still put it over.

2865
02:07:04,920 --> 02:07:06,600
Speaker 5: This would be an interesting to revisit though, because I

2866
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:09,440
Speaker 5: hadn't really thought about I haven't really thought about that,

2867
02:07:09,600 --> 02:07:12,720
Speaker 5: but like, you're right, it's not exactly like the cupboards

2868
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:15,160
Speaker 5: are full right now with these women bantam weights. I'd

2869
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:18,680
Speaker 5: still put it over though, just I think that i'd

2870
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:20,120
Speaker 5: have to look up the number. But I feel like

2871
02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 5: there's enough. There's enough. Like if they even got like

2872
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:26,040
Speaker 5: one fight apiece, you know type thing, it'd be in

2873
02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:26,520
Speaker 5: that range.

2874
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 3: Well, see, that's all right. So we've had two already.

2875
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:32,240
Speaker 3: There is one this weekend, Macy Chasson versus Eileen Perez.

2876
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:35,600
Speaker 3: But I feel like the division's just gonna go stale

2877
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:37,600
Speaker 3: after those fights. Yeah, Like I don't think they're booking

2878
02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 3: Joscelyn Edwards versus the winner of that tomorrow. You know,

2879
02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. But either way, women's bandwid in shambles. Guys,

2880
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:46,280
Speaker 3: that was high or lower? I hope you enjoyed it.

2881
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:49,880
Speaker 1: Fun Long Island. Why don't you plug what you got

2882
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:52,040
Speaker 1: going on for the rest of the week until Friday?

2883
02:07:52,080 --> 02:07:55,600
Speaker 3: Anyway, I got my UFC Mexico City Bet breakdown coming

2884
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:57,960
Speaker 3: out tomorrow. I'll have a new prop quiz on Friday

2885
02:07:58,080 --> 02:07:59,839
Speaker 3: and then full card watch along on Saturday.

2886
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:02,520
Speaker 1: And as a reminder, we're all going to be in studio.

2887
02:08:02,680 --> 02:08:05,040
Speaker 1: Give me the hip hophorn for this one. We're all

2888
02:08:05,080 --> 02:08:07,880
Speaker 1: going to be in studio next Monday. There'll be a

2889
02:08:07,960 --> 02:08:10,400
Speaker 1: drinking show on Monday. It'll be a drinking yeah, so

2890
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:13,840
Speaker 1: bring your drinking cap, chuckman, I will, I will bring that.

2891
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:14,680
Speaker 6: Very good.

2892
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:18,160
Speaker 1: Let's remind everyone if you haven't already, we're everywhere on

2893
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:19,720
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2894
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:21,360
Speaker 1: we indicated, if you want to get those questions in

2895
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:26,200
Speaker 1: for DMS with Donks, Sunday on ig is going to

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02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:28,480
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2900
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Speaker 1: poster and or shirt, and then of course we've got

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Speaker 1: dot com truck before we go anything to plug good sir.

2905
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:56,520
Speaker 5: Well, I'll definitely have some writing coming up this week.

2906
02:08:56,560 --> 02:08:59,040
Speaker 5: I got a Cheeto Vera I'll be talking to and

2907
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:01,880
Speaker 5: have some so those are be coming out this week

2908
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:05,480
Speaker 5: on Uncrowned, and I believe I'm scheduled to be back

2909
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:07,600
Speaker 5: on the Crack on Friday with Pezzi Carrol.

2910
02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:08,280
Speaker 1: So nice.

2911
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:10,880
Speaker 5: Plenty of amend in hall to go around, are we. Well,

2912
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 5: I'll talk about this other stuff and we'll talk about

2913
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:13,760
Speaker 5: next week next week.

2914
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:16,840
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, very good. Yeah, Well, as we mentioned, we

2915
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:19,120
Speaker 1: won't have Chuck on Friday, but he'll be back on Monday.

2916
02:09:19,160 --> 02:09:24,000
Speaker 1: We'll be in studio on Monday in Shalla and uh yeah.

2917
02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:26,280
Speaker 1: Should be a good time. So for Long Island, for

2918
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:28,880
Speaker 1: the Iceman himself, and for all of you out there,

2919
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:30,400
Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching. We're out of here

2920
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Speaker 1: and until next time, may all of your gains be loyal.