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Speaker 1: Origion Welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. I also wonder, you know

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Speaker 1: what the the compensation for Hopkins. They were kind of

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Speaker 1: signing the Chris Boards of the world. That's fine. It's

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Speaker 1: it's okay. Paul's looking at me like, okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: They cut him for a special teamer. But if you

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Speaker 1: think those two guys are equal, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I can't help. Who tells you that Patriots banger? I'm bang,

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Speaker 1: I'm big bang, I'm big in bang money. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about money. I always talk about money. That was cash spending.

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Speaker 1: That's not cap right, It's two different things. You can disagree.

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Speaker 1: I know that you know more. Somebody will be punting

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Speaker 1: for the Patriots this year. This is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled

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Speaker 1: by Duncan. We're on the air. Oh I missed the

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Speaker 1: open bald. Yeah, my Mike's down. I'm just not prepared.

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Speaker 1: I was talking about my interactions. I'm just not prepared anyway.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to uh Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here at

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Speaker 1: Gillette Stadium. It's Evan, it's Alex, Paul, myself, Matt and

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Speaker 1: the boots. Is that holy Cross? Holy Cross Pro Day?

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Speaker 1: For some reason that I can't explain because there's no

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Speaker 1: get a live hit from I'm looking. Yeah, we might

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Speaker 1: get a live looking from Douce at holy Cross. But anyway, um,

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Speaker 1: it's Thursday, and you know, what are we talking about today?

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Speaker 1: It's kind of quiet. Things have quieted down since you know, Mike,

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Speaker 1: Chris Board and Mike Asiki. Um, nothing really. It was

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Speaker 1: I asked, I tweet out all the moves and one

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Speaker 1: him out and brought him back, but it sounds like

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Speaker 1: that that's a they just ripped up the deal and

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Speaker 1: And I saw he tweeted out saying, hey, everybody, I'm

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Speaker 1: But wouldn't you feel bad if you looked as ridiculously

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Speaker 1: But um Devin also had some interesting comments about ju

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Speaker 1: Ju coming in Jacobe leaving this He's called last training

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Speaker 1: for Paul's name to come up. If it's content, you

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Speaker 1: really cool. I who gives the there's a committee, it's

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Speaker 1: um the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But every year

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Speaker 1: two teams nominate guys, but not everybody gets recognized. Everybody

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Speaker 1: And this first one's really easy, so I expect everyone

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Speaker 1: to have the answer. But so now it's a race

427
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Speaker 1: to see who can get the answer in first. You

428
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Speaker 1: should do that, stick to the easy ones. That's a

429
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Speaker 1: good idea. So this is the first you ready, Matt Ready,

430
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Speaker 1: first person with the correct answer to web radio at

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Speaker 1: Patrice dot com. What was bighead? And Fred's epic argument

432
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Speaker 1: at the draft about what was bighead and Fred's epic

433
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Speaker 1: argument at the draft about first correct answer, let's see

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Speaker 1: it embarrassment. Yeah, so, uh, Evan, can you imagine they

435
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Speaker 1: argued for so long on this particular night that even

436
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: I was disinterested? Think about that. There was an argument

437
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Speaker 1: going on that I really had no interest in After

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Speaker 1: a while. Are you sure? I just kept going to

439
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Speaker 1: like Google, Yah, and I would read stuff like I

440
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Speaker 1: was the you know, the guy that wasn't just toss.

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Speaker 1: You can stop someone already got it. You can stop

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Speaker 1: with the entries. Who was the first one? Matt Jason

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Speaker 1: moose Day and Nappa? What what do you say? Jay

444
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Speaker 1: from Napa, Roma from Nappa? Okay, Jay from Napa. And

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Speaker 1: of course the answer is do rivers have tides? And

446
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Speaker 1: that this draft night argument, I philip rivers. You guys

447
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: are just talking about players of water at least at

448
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Speaker 1: the very least like they're talking about This was inside

449
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Speaker 1: the draft party as well, and they're screaming at each

450
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Speaker 1: other and I think I'm pretty sure Andy dropped an Yeah,

451
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Speaker 1: he dropped an F bomb? Yeah to actually yeah, So

452
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Speaker 1: that that's the answer. Okay, so we have one winner,

453
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: we'll do another, so they're not going back and forth ever.

454
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Speaker 1: And all I'm doing is like googling, like do rivers

455
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Speaker 1: have tides? And I'd be like, you know, and then

456
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Speaker 1: they would be like a little brick, and I go

457
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: rivers are said to have? And then you would you

458
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Speaker 1: know how like on the internet you can find exactly

459
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Speaker 1: what you want either way, so I would read it

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Speaker 1: exactly both ways, and then I'd just like going. I'd

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Speaker 1: go and get it like a Sunday come back. You

462
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Speaker 1: know what side of the debate was spread on that

463
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Speaker 1: they don't they don't and what he said they do well,

464
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Speaker 1: tidal marshes do. But you know, like if you're close

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Speaker 1: to the ocean and you're fed by obviously the ocean

466
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Speaker 1: affects the level. But if you're a river that further

467
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Speaker 1: away from the ocean, you don't have a tide. It's

468
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Speaker 1: not a big enough body of water anyway. I don't

469
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Speaker 1: want to get into it, no, But I like Alex

470
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Speaker 1: knows everything, so I figured that you would jim in

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Speaker 1: and tell you you're wrong, that I would be on

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Speaker 1: friend side. I think tides are all with the moon

473
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Speaker 1: and the ocean. Rivers, they're all flowing to the same place. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Like, if you're close to the if

475
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Speaker 1: you're within a mile of the ocean and the ocean

476
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Speaker 1: feeds into you, obviously it will affect that body of water.

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Speaker 1: But if you're like, you know, good stuff, you know,

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Speaker 1: how do you explain whitewater rafting? Then that's current. That's

479
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Speaker 1: not a tide. That's that's current. I need to go

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Speaker 1: back to I think of it where I was. If

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Speaker 1: you're going fishing and the ocean, if you're going fishing

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Speaker 1: the river, you're not thinking about low tide, is okay?

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Speaker 1: I see you're That's my logic. At least I was

484
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Speaker 1: playing the role of Evan that night. I was breaking

485
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Speaker 1: down the cornerback. Yeah. Yeah, as you can imagine, the

486
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Speaker 1: first night of the draft is like my Super Bowl.

487
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Speaker 1: So if this was going on while Evan would have

488
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Speaker 1: walked out, Yeah, he would have been so mad. He

489
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Speaker 1: already read just on it was one of the funniest

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Speaker 1: things that I've been involved. He would have walked out

491
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Speaker 1: and started his own podcast like wow, Like, okay, they

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Speaker 1: don't want to talk about doesn't have a tide. You

493
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Speaker 1: guys are morons? This whoa alright? Alright now on the

494
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Speaker 1: voice of reason, God, Alex relax over it, God down,

495
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: all right, we'll do another one, uh a little later. Um.

496
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Speaker 1: I have a little bit of a theory that I

497
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Speaker 1: want to throw out on the whole Jalen Mills thing. Ye,

498
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Speaker 1: do you think it's possible? And I have no information

499
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Speaker 1: on this whatsoever, which is generally how I conduct all

500
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Speaker 1: my business. Um, last week they had Tailor wrap in, Yes, right,

501
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Speaker 1: do you think that maybe that those two things are related,

502
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Speaker 1: like we're gonna release you, We're gonna bring in Taylor Rap. Now,

503
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Speaker 1: what I don't know is maybe I think there's definitely

504
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Speaker 1: a correlation between the two. Exactly what it is I

505
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Speaker 1: think is open for interpretation, depending on how you look

506
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Speaker 1: at it. I think it may have been we're gonna

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Speaker 1: release you. I'm gonna bring this guy into talk to

508
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Speaker 1: try to pressure him into or insurance redoing the thing

509
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Speaker 1: if he does get a good deal. The other part

510
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Speaker 1: of the whole, they wanted to release him, and they

511
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Speaker 1: wanted Rap to replace them, and they could make a

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Speaker 1: deal with Rap. That's the part that I that's where

513
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: I feel it falls and I get but I think

514
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: there's a relationship there cryptic tweet or a cryptic Instagram

515
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: story really quickly after the season ended, about something to

516
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Speaker 1: do with not being where he's not wanted. I read

517
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Speaker 1: into it a little bit at the time, and talking

518
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: to some people always dangerous when you talk to people.

519
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Speaker 1: I don't think the team was all that happy with

520
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Speaker 1: the amount of time he missed at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year with a growing problem. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: that's that's because I think we all question what was

523
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Speaker 1: going on there, similar to how we brought up with

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Speaker 1: Damien Harris the other I wouldn't be surprised if they

525
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Speaker 1: felt the same way about Harris because Jalen Mills, when

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Speaker 1: we were out in Arizona that we could practice, He's

527
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Speaker 1: out there for one day and all of a sudden

528
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Speaker 1: we never see him again. It's like so that one

529
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Speaker 1: day of and I'm not saying that he you know,

530
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Speaker 1: but that one day a practice, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: he's some of my things completely whacked. Some of them,

532
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, probably have some merit. I just don't know.

533
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Speaker 1: Like I said, was their plan to stick with Mills

534
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: all along, but they wanted him to take a year

535
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Speaker 1: off his contract, which I think that's basically all that

536
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: ended up happening, right, Yes, it's roughly the same. Yeah,

537
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: for total values, roughly the same. But he lost a year. Yeah,

538
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Speaker 1: And I don't know why or why that would or

539
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't be advantageous to the team, or if it was, no,

540
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Speaker 1: we want to replace you with Taylor Rap, and we

541
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Speaker 1: weren't able to get that done. So oh hey, Jalen,

542
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Speaker 1: how don't you come back here? Yeah? That was my

543
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Speaker 1: read on it was that Taylor Rap, I think is

544
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: a pretty good player. I like him, and I think

545
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: he's going to get multiple years and maybe some guaranteed money.

546
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: I liked him coming out of college. Yeah, And I

547
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: don't think that they were willing to go there with

548
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Speaker 1: Taylor Rap. I think that they approached it similar to

549
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: with Kaski, who if he's going to take a one

550
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: year deal and kind of fall into our lap, then

551
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: we're all for it. But to give him multiple years

552
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: to give him some guaranteed cash, I don't think they

553
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: wanted to do that. And I think we'll find out

554
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: in the coming days that Taylor Rap signed I SENTI

555
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: decent deal. I think he went to since he in

556
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: the same day, um that he was like maybe like, yeah,

557
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: next day. Then they signed Nick Scott, his teammate with

558
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: the Rams, so they signed to Safety. So I don't

559
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: know if they're going to be in his market still,

560
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: but that's my my read on it too, is that

561
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Speaker 1: they wanted Rap but it didn't work out. Yeah, I

562
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: don't know. It could also be that they said, yeah,

563
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Speaker 1: go find a better deal in the meantime, they interview

564
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Speaker 1: Rap because what if he does get a good deal,

565
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: we need a guy. And you know, it didn't work out,

566
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: so they brought him back. But well, it's definitely correlated,

567
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. Yeah, there's I'm not sure that that might.

568
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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there's always ways around it. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think technically he was actually released now. I

570
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: think it goes down as a restructure. So I'm not

571
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Speaker 1: sure that other teams would have legally been able to

572
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: talk to him. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not saying

573
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Speaker 1: that that means that he didn't talk to anybod right,

574
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not naive. I just go back to

575
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Speaker 1: I remember I keep to Leib did some sort of

576
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Speaker 1: radio interview a couple of years ago, and he said

577
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: that Bill tried to convince him to come out of

578
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: retirement to cover tight ends. He was going to move

579
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Speaker 1: him inside and have him cover tight ends at the

580
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Speaker 1: end of his career, and it didn't he didn't end

581
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Speaker 1: up doing it. But I look at Jalen Mills and

582
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Speaker 1: I kind of think of the same thing of we're

583
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Speaker 1: probably going to go in a different direction at outside

584
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Speaker 1: corner and maybe draft somebody or something like that. But

585
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: if you want to come in and compete for a

586
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: tight end coverage role, then that's something that we would

587
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Speaker 1: like to have a little bit more more flexibility with.

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Speaker 1: All Right, eight five five PATS five hundred is the

589
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Speaker 1: ace ticket hut line web radio at Patriots dot com

590
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: is the email address. Let's check out the phone line

591
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: see what people were thinking. Patty's an agawam. What's up? Patty?

592
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: Hey everyone, how are you good? So? Freddy? Yeah, A

593
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 1: little interesting fact about the that whole rivers and tides argument.

594
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm the one that prompted it, is that, right. I

595
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: called up on the draft night surprise surprise half in

596
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: the bag and I quoted some paper still lyrics and

597
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: um that prompted you guys to start the fight and

598
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: just kept going and going. It was It was awesome

599
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: that's good. That's it was epic. It was epic. It

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Speaker 1: goes on to this day, Patt, did you get a

601
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: T shirt just for that? Yeah? Um, And I just

602
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: wanted to, um wanted to get into a little bit

603
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: into the draft. But before I do, Freddy, I would

604
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: argue that you're one of the thirty most important guys.

605
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: Please God, no, no. If I'm not trying to this

606
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: isn't a very good organization. If if I'm on the list,

607
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: he's not. I can vouch for that. Yeah. Yeah, first

608
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: team paper, first team website, not the first team page.

609
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: And NFL dot com modeled their website after the first

610
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Speaker 1: page race website. That's all right. So I just wanted

611
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: to know if, um, did anybody any of you guys

612
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: catch the still Perry interview with Jeff Halfley from Boston College.

613
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: I watched some of it. I haven't been able to

614
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: talking about safe hours tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah, And Evan, I'm

615
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: kind of a prisoner in the moment like you were.

616
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Like I heard him talk about saying just go on

617
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: and say how like he's never seen a player like him? Um,

618
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: not that like he's better than any of these, like

619
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: the players that they try to compare them too. But

620
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, all right, he's the guy that

621
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: we got a draft at number fourteen, you know. Um,

622
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: but there's been too much attention on there's no way

623
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: we're going to draft him. It's my fault. Yeah, right right.

624
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that cackle cornerback wide receiver, one of those

625
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: big glaring coals that we have. If we draft to

626
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: running back or tight end, I think I might just

627
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: check out. I might call in drunk and prompts another

628
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: argument on a draft night. Well, we know you'll you'll

629
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: call in drunk, Patty, because that's what you do. That's

630
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: why we love him. That's why we love you all guys.

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00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for the call and the start of

632
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: the argument. Dan is in Vermont. What's up, Dan? Dan

633
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: in Vermont? Yeah, Dan's tapping into the maple syrup. Oh yeah,

634
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Speaker 1: I like that. Could call back Dan if you if

635
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: you want. Lots of emails coming in here on. Don't

636
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: you guys feel like it's everything is kind of at

637
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: a holding pattern until or in in less, something happens

638
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: with one of the like Judy or Hopkins. It's Hopkins, yeah,

639
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: because I don't the Judy stuff like I don't think

640
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Denver actually wants to trade you. I don't think they

641
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: do either. I think if they get blown away with

642
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: an offer, they would they would move them. But it's

643
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: gonna take the Patriots putting the fourteenth overall pick on

644
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: the table, I think to actually get something done with

645
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: Denver on Judy. So I think it's Hopkins and maybe

646
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: a little bit um with the quarterbacks with Rogers and

647
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: Lamar kind of figuring out those situations. But yeah, I

648
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: definitely think that the receiver market, it's hopping Hopkins gotta

649
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: go somewhere, and then everything else will sort of sort

650
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: itself out. Speaking of people on interviews, Jake Bailey revealed

651
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: something that we suspected but but confirmed that the whole

652
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: thing was about the team thought he was physically ready

653
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: to come back and he didn't and that started it.

654
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: But then by not having him come back, there was

655
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: a lot of guarantees that you know, he lost out on,

656
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: and I guess there was some type of you know,

657
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: settlement that happened. So everything's all set now for him,

658
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: But it was an injury and then money that caused

659
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: that whole thing. Well, did you see what he blamed

660
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: it on? The squad rat squatting. Yeah, he said that

661
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: that he had never had squatted before. That was something

662
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: that they wanted him to do and he heard his

663
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: back on the squat. Let me tell you something, as

664
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: someone who did squad a lot, that's a dangerous exercise

665
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: if you don't do it right. And when I say

666
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: don't do it right, the slightest like you know, flaw

667
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: in your technique can really screw you up, both your

668
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: knees and your back. You know, it's and I you know,

669
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: I remember remember who was the old time trainer that

670
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: we had here, ron O'Neil no before him, uh, Johnny Parker,

671
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: Johnny Parker, I remember him telling me the squad is

672
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: the best exercise you can do. Everybody on this team squats.

673
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: I don't care what position they are. They squad on

674
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: this team. And I'm not sure that you know now,

675
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: with all the advances they've had in training and all that,

676
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: if that's necessarily correct too, Like I just wonder for

677
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: a punter, like why why hell bent on it? You know,

678
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: like with Gronk. This was a problem with Gronks back

679
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: and you can understand that. And he's a tight end.

680
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: He needs to and he had a bad back coming

681
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: into the into the league. I just wonder about, you know,

682
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: a punter, and and that's you know, that's Jake Bailey

683
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: side of the story too. And I'm you know, I'm

684
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: not naive enough to know to not like there's another

685
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: side of the story. I thought it was interesting that

686
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: he kind of let off his comments that he's talked

687
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: to Bill about it and they've agreed to talk about it,

688
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: which to me is kind of counter to you know,

689
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: like we still haven't heard Malcolm Butler talk about why

690
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: he didn't play like clearly they had. He's talking about it.

691
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: If somebody about it, I don't know if he'll probably

692
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: won't do it, but I think that he's okay with

693
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: talking about it, do you know what I mean? Which

694
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: I think was kind of different. I don't necessarily blame

695
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: anybody in the situation, but I mean, it is unfortunate

696
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: that you couldn't sort of figure out a way, and

697
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: I think that might that might explain that the drop off,

698
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: if it was he says it was affecting his accuracy

699
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: with his kicking and whatnot, and if he didn't feel

700
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: as confident in his back, I could see that that's

701
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: such a mental thing. Yeah, those specialists. Yeah, you know,

702
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: Bill always likens it to a golf swing and something's

703
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: wrong with your technique. It gets in your head. It's hard,

704
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to correct it. Uh. Back at the phones,

705
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: Anthony is in South Carolina? What's up, Anthony? Hey? Uh?

706
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Two questions, Myles Brian. I really don't understand that resign

707
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: because every time moleson he was getting beat and basically

708
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: every game. And uh, number two, what are all the

709
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: chances of getting like either d hop or going in

710
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: the draft for a number one receiver because Jerry Judy

711
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: I don't look at him as as a number one receiver. Yeah. Well, first,

712
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant, I mean, is he is? Like I know

713
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: he was a lightning rod because he was involved in

714
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: some key plays on the bad side. But what was

715
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: he that bad? No? Yeah, I know nobody wants to

716
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: hear that short and no. It kills me. It breaks

717
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: my heart to hear people talk about Miles Bryant the

718
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: way that they do. That's the hardest, Yeah to me,

719
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: not physically. Slock corner might be the hardest position to

720
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: play in the league because the receiver has a two

721
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: way go he can go in, he can go out,

722
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: he can go up the field, Like you have to

723
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: cover everything when you play on the boundary, you can

724
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: use the sideline as a defender, right, so you know

725
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: that you have him pushed up against the sideline, you

726
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about certain routes with the slot

727
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: like that's he's got total freedom in there to do

728
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: whatever he wants and you've got to cover him. Come

729
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: to have those swevel hips, right and so that that's

730
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: that's a tough spot to fill. And I think any

731
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: think we should keep and get like outside, Yeah, they do.

732
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: They do need to. Yeah, I mean Myles Bryant as

733
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: an outside corner. No, that's it. I don't think you

734
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: want that. But like the thing is, as Patriots fans,

735
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: we have to remember that every team in the league

736
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: can pass for the most part. There's very few teams

737
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: that you know, Patriots were one last year. But you know,

738
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: this is a passing league. It's hard to stop teams

739
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: from you know, completing passes in this league. And if

740
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: you take the third or fourth or fifth corner on

741
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: any team, they're not going to be that good, you know,

742
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: compared to the other teams. Passing game. It's it's just

743
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: hard to have a whole roster of really good corners

744
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: in this league, you know, especially with how under the

745
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: good corners so easy to point to him. Yeah, the

746
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: good corners, but they get made to look bad. Yeah

747
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: they Yeah, Yeah, I would agree with that, But I

748
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: would also say that most teams don't resign those guys. Now,

749
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm okay with a restricted tender, you got the lowest

750
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: tender whatever. Next year, If they're looking to extend him,

751
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: I think that would be a curious Now, I think

752
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you there. I think he's a he's

753
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: a dimebacker, Like, he's a guy that when you have

754
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: six seven dbs on the field and you need somebody else,

755
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: you bring them on. And I think that their hope

756
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: is that between Jonathan Jones and Marcus Jones, those guys

757
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: are your nickels. Like, those guys are the guys that

758
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: are going to play in the slot most of the

759
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: time next year. And Miles's depth right, and that's where

760
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: he belongs. I think the last couple of years he's

761
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 1: had to play a lot more than than his skill set,

762
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: probably for flat Yeah, and I just don't like having

763
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: to start to pay significant money for depth. Yeah, you know,

764
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: so like he'll he's fine on that. What was it

765
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: like three? Three? It's two, and yeah it was that's

766
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: that's fine, but right at first refusal tax, I think

767
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: it's like two if he so, if he ends up

768
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: getting up over you know, like five million a year,

769
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: which is what some lower end slot guys like. I

770
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: don't want that. He's not good enough for that, but

771
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: what they're paying him, I just as soon have him.

772
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: He knows the system, he knows the coaches. The coaches

773
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: know him, they know his strengths, they know his weaknesses.

774
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: And I would say depending yeah, I would also say

775
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: depending on the draft we talked about and Evans, Evan

776
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: and Mike have talked about the cornerback class in depth

777
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: and how talented it is. If you can hit in

778
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: the draft. His roster spots not a guarantee. Don't forget.

779
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: The restricted free agent tender is not guaranteed. Even if

780
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: he signs it, you can cut him nothing. Yeah, thanks, Anthony.

781
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Your other question was about d Hop. I mean, well,

782
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: Judy is not a number one receiver, which on this

783
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: thing right now, he's probably hasn't proven to be one.

784
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: I think with Judy, you're more banking on potential and

785
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: what he's actually done in the league. But I think

786
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: that's fair with Anthon, But don't you think on this team, easily,

787
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: he'd be the most talented guy they have. And at

788
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: that point, do you get rid of Parker? Do you

789
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: have trade him? You know, I think him or Born

790
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: would certainly be two guys that are maybe tradeable pieces

791
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 1: I've thrown out there, maybe including them in the trades

792
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: to give Denver receiver that can play right away back,

793
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, so they're not making such a huge, huge

794
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: hole for themselves. Judy, if Jerry Judy was in this draft,

795
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: he'd be the number one receiver on the board. Like

796
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: he's he's got that kind of talent. Hasn't necessarily all

797
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: came together for him in Denver, But I think it's

798
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: a combination of things. Like they've had multiple head coaches,

799
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: they've had multiple quarterbacks, multiple coordinators, and he's been injured

800
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: a couple of times. So there's a lot going on

801
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: there in Denver. But in terms of potential, I mean,

802
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: I I just for kicks, I threw up some Mac

803
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: Jones to Judy stuff from Alabama, and you just watched

804
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: him at at Alabama in that Bowl game against Michigan

805
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and it's it's stupid, like they couldn't

806
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: tackle again. He was the best player in the field, right,

807
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: And I like him a lot. I liked him coming out.

808
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: I know that sometimes you get sort of wild and

809
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: you're like, well, you know, he has all these physical gifts,

810
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: but how good of a football player is he? I

811
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: think he's a really good football player too, at least

812
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: he was. Yeah. I think there's been a lot of

813
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: stuff going on in Denver, and I think he kind

814
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: of finished strong last year too. He did, so that's

815
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: what their GM told me at the combine. I think

816
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: it'd be crazy if if Sean Payton didn't look at

817
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: him as a guy that he wants to make sure

818
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: he uses uses the year to figure out and you

819
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: know you can you can take the fifty year option

820
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: and then figure out how to deal with that later

821
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: two if you want, right, and and not to like

822
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: flex the whole film thing, but I watched all of

823
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: his catches from last year, and I mean the tape

824
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: says tells a different story than the box score, Like

825
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: the guy's really difficult to cover. You know, he ran

826
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: a sluggo on Jalen Ramsey where Ramsey just completely blit

827
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: on the and just off the screen right and he

828
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: just you know, broke him at the top of the route.

829
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: He's got he's got number one receiver film. He just

830
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: hasn't put the production together yet. So if you can

831
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: get the whole package out of him, he's gonna be

832
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's close to a thousand yards last year anyways,

833
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: he was nine and change. So I think a healthy

834
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy is a thousand yard receiver easily. Yeah. And

835
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting listening to some of the

836
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: free age. I think mcglinchy McGlinchey signed with Denver right Chicago,

837
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: no where. I thought it was Denver Denver, so it

838
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: was someone one of the higher profile free agents who

839
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: signed with Denver was talking and just about you know,

840
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's a Hall of Fame talent and Sean Payton's

841
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: going to get the most out of him. Sounds like

842
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: something would say, but this is like the kinds of

843
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: things that I think if you're Denver, you have to

844
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: bank on that, Like you you can't just assume that

845
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's a lost cost. You have to beyond hope

846
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: think that you can get something out of that contract

847
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: and figure it out. So I think Jerry Judy would

848
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: be a guy you'd want to have help Russell Wilson

849
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: out a little bit. So do have a little bit

850
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: of not player news, but Albert ber just tweeted out

851
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: that he knows Joe Judge's role for the Patriots next season.

852
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: He is claiming that Joe Judge will be an assistant

853
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: head coach with the Patriots in twenty three, with personnel elements,

854
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: some parallels to Matt Patricia's twenty one role. And then

855
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: he said on the field, he'll be working with special teams. Okay, good, great, Yeah, yeah,

856
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: got no problem with that, So Football Senior Football Advisor. Basically,

857
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: it's interesting though, because we were, you know, we were

858
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: thinking that oh, maybe Gerard Mayo would get that assistant

859
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: head coach position, but apparently not. Yeah. So do we

860
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: know what grards you know, title will be this year?

861
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't have any confirmation on that yet. Okay,

862
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: that's interesting though. You know, I'm glad that he's helping

863
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: out with special teams. Adam is in Pennsylvania, what's up, Adam, Hey,

864
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: everyone has to go on good. That's good, So unpopular

865
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: opinion here, but I like the moves that we've made

866
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: so far on the offensive side of the ball this offseason.

867
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: And I know people have been calling in complaining that

868
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: we haven't made any splash signing, but I don't think

869
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: that's a bad thing at this point. And to me,

870
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: a lot of these signings that we have they feel

871
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: a lot more calculated. It feels like O'Brien has a

872
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: vision as to how he wants to build and design

873
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: this offense, and it looks like he's willing to be

874
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: patient and sort of intentional with how he builds up

875
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: to that vision. So you know, I see him bringing

876
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: in an explosive yards after catch guy like Juju and

877
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: signing a guy like this that he who's a more

878
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: athletic and dynamic tight end. I see those as pieces

879
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: that are building to that bigger picture that O'Brien is

880
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: trying to create to produce a faster and more explosive

881
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: offense in twenty twenty three. And this is in contrast

882
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty one free agency spend that we

883
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: had that year, where it felt like the Pats came

884
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: out and they were like, well, it's free agency, we

885
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: have a craft a ton of money. Let's just go

886
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: out there and get these top of the market guys

887
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: and then we'll figure out how this all fits together.

888
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: And I know, as a fan that was super exciting,

889
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: but just two years removed, I wish we wouldn't had done.

890
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like we had a plan in place,

891
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: and you know, two years later, we're kind of cleaning

892
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: up the debris from that free agency spend that offseason.

893
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: So I don't know, this offseason, it's been pretty unsexy

894
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: so far, but I just feel a lot more competent

895
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: in how the Pats have been approaching it, and I

896
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: think there are still some other moves to be made.

897
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: I think we do need to acquire another top wide

898
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: receiver to kind of round out the offense. But just overall,

899
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: I like the way that we're heading with a free

900
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: agency so far and them. I'm willing to be patient

901
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: to see how it shakes out there over the next

902
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: few weeks. But those fair enough at him now, Yeah,

903
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. I mean, I would agree. I

904
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: think their approach so far has been methodical. You know, um,

905
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: you know, one thing I pushed back, like the whole thing,

906
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, two years ago when they went after it.

907
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if that really set the team back,

908
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: Like were there guys that were available that year that

909
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: they missed on? You know, I don't think so. You know,

910
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: now the guys didn't work out, but I don't know

911
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: if that really set back the organization, you know, which

912
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: just it was just it was short lived, Like it

913
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: just wasn't the twenty one season, wasn't it just it

914
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: never it never panned out the way we hoped it would, right,

915
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: you know. But I think that it was a different

916
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: situation too. I think that they were so they had

917
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: no competition really, but there was they had no talent

918
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: they had the roster had been completely reset in twenty

919
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: and they had to go out and get some NFL players. Yeah, um,

920
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, I would agree with most that it probably

921
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: was at disappointing hall for the money they spent, they

922
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: didn't get the bang for the buck. Yeah, but we've

923
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: talked about understand why they did it. But we've talked

924
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: about it on this show before. You know, it's history.

925
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: Says like teams that go out and have multiple free

926
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: agent signings likes it not works for a year and

927
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: then they tail off. That's exactly what happened with the Patriots.

928
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: And not every one of the signings always work. You know,

929
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: there's like half of them work. You know, I remember

930
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: us saying that at the time, like if half of

931
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: these guys work, it'll be okay. Yeah, And it's exactly

932
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: what Paul said. You get a shot in the arm

933
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: for a season, you know, you see your win total

934
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: go up for a season, and then you you come

935
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: back down to earth, you know, as the life of

936
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: those contracts continuing. And I'm going to stunt you here.

937
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Part of the reason for that, I think is the quarterback.

938
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: Well sad you're gonna say it. I was going to. Actually,

939
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: this is why it's going to be stunning for you.

940
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: It's the salary cap. Because when you go out and

941
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: sign big money free agents, most of the time you

942
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: set it up so early on the contract is very

943
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: team friendly, and then the big money comes due and

944
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: that prevention from doing anything else. That's interesting you said

945
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: that just reminds you of something I read yesterday from

946
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk on the Aaron Rodgers situation. That everyone

947
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: thinks that Green Bay has the leverage over the Jets.

948
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: But that's not according to Pro Football Talk, that's not

949
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: true because if the Jets walk over him the table

950
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: and leave green like he's going to count sixty million

951
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: against the cap. It's a big number. I mean, that's

952
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: that's an example of pushing these things to the future. Well,

953
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: it's not pushing it to the future. That's his salary

954
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: only because changes is salary only because it's going to

955
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: cost the Jets that too. But the difference is it's

956
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: sixty million for a guy who's not gonna play for you. Yeah,

957
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: that's the difference. Well yeah, but that's and they don't

958
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: want to pay him. But the Jets aren't gonna they're

959
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: gonna that. They're not gonna pay him sixty million a year.

960
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: Oh yes they are. Oh no, they're not. I don't

961
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: know what it's gonna cost them the cap thread, but

962
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: they're going to pay him sixty million. That's his base salary. No,

963
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna redo that. They're gonna redo they're not.

964
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna redo it, you're not paying them

965
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: less than that. He hain't taking it, don't retire. Why

966
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: is it gonna take less there's no way any team

967
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: would pay right now any quarterback sixty million dollars. I'd

968
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: pay Patrick Mahomes sixty millions. Can you please help me out.

969
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: I wanted you to admit that the twenty one Patriots

970
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: are better because of Mac, but you wouldn't go there.

971
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: That's what you thought. I was gonna be stunned with.

972
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: I'd see. I actually think just the opposite they put

973
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: in if Cam Newton, it would have looked totally different. Yeah,

974
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: but Cam Newton would have been better in twenty one

975
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: with talent that he had around him than they would

976
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: have been. Would they have been a ten win team

977
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: with Cam Newton? Acrodible because I don't think Mac won

978
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: a lot of games. Fred used to yell at me,

979
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised Fred yelled at me a lot

980
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: in twenty one. I don't think he won a lot

981
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982
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: just think that the consistency that he had brought to

983
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984
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,840
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985
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986
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Speaker 1: Check out this snippet from the latest episode of Pats

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Speaker 1: was that moment? Oh? It was awesome, and you said,

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Speaker 1: That he's done. This was his fifth time being in

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Speaker 1: And for me, it was so surreal. And I said

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Speaker 1: my own accord and I'm not hitting Dev up to

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Speaker 1: it was truly special. Dev knows the Super Bowl in Houston.

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Speaker 1: other than fifty three. Try having to write about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember. Ever. I can only imagine the hardship

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Speaker 1: That's the prop tough life. That was Devin and Jason mccordy. Uh.

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Speaker 1: For him. He's he's sharp. It was perfect. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: So good stuff. That's what number forty I think in

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Speaker 1: William Hey, what's going on with it? How are you

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Speaker 1: doing all right? I just want to just say a

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Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be rude of me and anything

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Speaker 1: it about about the corners and wanted thing that we

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Speaker 1: we need taller corners. You know, I'm tired of seeing

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Speaker 1: our little corners getting mossed by like you know pe Hagen,

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Speaker 1: uh Jamar Chase Digs. You know they can't hang with them.

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Speaker 1: You know they were they supposed to do. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Right, But what corners in the league

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Speaker 1: can hang with Jamar Chase. There's very few, you know,

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Speaker 1: That's why he's Jamar Chase. Yeah, this is one thing

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Speaker 1: that I I think Alex and I are going to

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Speaker 1: because we've usually see I I on most things. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not feeling corner as big of a need in

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Speaker 1: the draft as maybe some other people are, because to me,

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Speaker 1: they just need a bigger body that can play on

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Speaker 1: the outside. They can play some press coverage against the

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Speaker 1: t Higgins. But I don't think that they're in like

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Speaker 1: desperate need for corners. I think that the Jones the

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Speaker 1: Joneses are pretty good corners. I just think that those

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Speaker 1: guys are all they're all smaller. Yeah, So it to me,

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Speaker 1: it's not like this is a need that we need

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Speaker 1: to draft three corners and you give me one six

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Speaker 1: foot two corner that can play press on the outside

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Speaker 1: against the t Higgins, and I think they match up

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Speaker 1: pretty well in the other spots already. So but you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they draft a corner in the

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Speaker 1: first round. Right in the first round. I would be

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Speaker 1: a little bit, because it's just not. They don't typically

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01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: draft corners that high. So the highest corner that they've

1263
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: ever drafted technically, if you want to count Devon as

1264
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 1: a corner, is Devon. If you don't want to count

1265
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: Devon as a corner, then it's actually Rosey Dowling with

1266
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: a thirty third over I'll pick in the draft. What

1267
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: about the kid from Alabama years ago? Cyrus Jones? Second round?

1268
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: Second round? The second the second round is their sweet

1269
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: spot for defensive backs general, Absolutely true, So Devin Laundrey

1270
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: list of bad picks in the second round defensive backs.

1271
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: Devin was twenty seventh overall, and the highest defensive back

1272
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: that they've ever taken is actually Brandon Merriweather I think

1273
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: was twenty third or twenty fourth. So it's not he

1274
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: was the opposite of Devon. They drafted him sort of

1275
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: as a corner and made him a safety. They thought

1276
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: he could do both. But yeah, they don't draft a

1277
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of secondary guys. First, No, can

1278
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: I say two more things and I'm gonna I'll be

1279
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: out your way. Um, Well, I like I like Zee Flowers, man,

1280
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: I think something about him. I don't know, I'm just

1281
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: the way he moved, and he just he's just good man.

1282
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: He just looked really good. Well, he'll make our corners

1283
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: look tall. True. And last f'm I just wanted, uh,

1284
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, give a little pushback towards Hopkins. Though Hopkins

1285
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: is better than anything on your team at this point. Everybody,

1286
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: well he's old and this then the third and blah

1287
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: blah blah. Okay, so where did you see the wear

1288
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: and tear? As far as last year, his quarterback got

1289
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 1: got injured. So I mean he would have had a

1290
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: hell of a season, you know what I mean. But

1291
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: because of that, that was it. And you know, because

1292
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: of its situation, his off field situation. Yeah, I was

1293
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: gonna say he didn't have a hell of a season

1294
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: because he had to miss the first six games. That

1295
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: was on him. Right when he played, he was ridiculously productive. Yeah, right,

1296
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: And I get it. Jerry Judy, he's young and him

1297
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: and Man have a connection off. But Jerry Judy is

1298
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: still not a number one yet correct, Well, he would

1299
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: be for the Patriots. Yeah, Okay, I ain't complaining if

1300
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: we get him though, I'm not complaining at all. Trust

1301
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: and to lead, the price for him is a lot

1302
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: higher than Hopkins, right right, okay, Jeleman, take care and

1303
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: next one. Thanks William. And I think there's some similarities

1304
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: with the way the Patriots did um with Brandon Cooks,

1305
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: you know a lot of years ago with Judy, and

1306
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: I think they traded for him. They picked I want

1307
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: to say, they picked up the fifty year option and

1308
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: they were still able to trade him for a first

1309
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: round pick. Yeah, so they traded him for him in

1310
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: year four, picked up the fifth year option, and then

1311
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: traded him on the fifth year option. So okay, I

1312
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: did remember that. Yeah, usually I don't, but so I

1313
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: think it would be a similar kind of thing with Judy.

1314
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: You could trade for him, you could pick up the

1315
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: fifty year option, and if you don't like you know

1316
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: everything about it, you should still be able to move

1317
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: on from him. Yeah. AJ's in the Bay Area. What's up,

1318
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: aj Aj? You're still there? No? Aj, Aj out? Not there? Okay,

1319
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: good job, Hardy. I don't know if this is the

1320
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: same Anthony as before. What's he's gone too? Okay, we

1321
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,879
Speaker 1: cleared out the phones. Let's get to the emails. Multiple

1322
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: busy signals. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Let's

1323
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: see Rob in San Diego via Connecticut has a what

1324
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: if question? The Patriots have made some free agent acquisitions

1325
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: which have increased talent, like Juju and perhaps Kisiki. If this,

1326
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: along with the O line moves and Robinson are the

1327
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: totality of the free agent movement, are we feeling good

1328
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: heading into the draft? Evan has stated there's no number

1329
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: one receiver at our first draft spot. So let's assume

1330
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: we pick a tackle or move down. Will that approach

1331
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: bring enough talent to the roster to compete with Miami

1332
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: and Buffalo and perhaps the Jets is developing a wide

1333
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: receiver something we are confident in from the draft. Do

1334
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: you disagree with that approach? Assuming it's what happens that

1335
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: don't mind so drafting a receiver high and development so

1336
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: if nothing else happens, you know, transaction wise until the draft.

1337
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: Are you okay going to the draft the way we

1338
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: are okay with going into the draft the way we

1339
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: are If they approached the draft, if they take the

1340
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: draft seriously, like I'm just gonna put it that way,

1341
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: because if they give us another cold strange in the

1342
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: first round and then they're gonna be in trouble in

1343
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: terms of roster talent. But if they actually go into

1344
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: the draft, look at the knees that they have at

1345
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: the top of the board, and addressed them accordingly, then yeah,

1346
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean you build through the draft. Like I'm a

1347
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: staunch believer in that, and like it would be great

1348
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: for them to go out and trade for Jerry Judy

1349
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: or DeAndre Hopkins, and I'm for both moves, but ultimately,

1350
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 1: like those pillars, those franchise pillars are going to come

1351
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: to the draft, They're not going to come via trade

1352
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: of a thirty one year old wide receiver. I agree

1353
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: with that, and I would echo everything about the draft

1354
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: like that's how you get out of this mess. I

1355
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: think that they've made some steps in that direction. I

1356
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: think that they've had good draft. I don't want to

1357
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 1: call these great drafts the way some of my colleagues do,

1358
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: but I think they've had some good production out of

1359
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: the draft. Going on three years now, the last three drafts,

1360
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: I think you've gotten some good players in all three

1361
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: of those drafts. Now, there's two parts of that. Youve

1362
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: got to continue to develop them. These guys have to

1363
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: continue to get better, and you have to retain the

1364
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: ones that do get better. And the ones that you

1365
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: want to build around. And this is where you get

1366
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: back to that, like one hundred and some odd million

1367
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: in cap space next year. I don't think that would

1368
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: be a good thing. If they still have all that

1369
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: cap space heading into next year, that means you know,

1370
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: left dagger left when you know you got you gotta

1371
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: find a way to get these young guys and figure

1372
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: out how to keep them. And that's how you want

1373
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: to chew up some of your cap space. Now, I'll

1374
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: set it up now because I know, I know I'll

1375
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: get made fun of. I will also say, like, if

1376
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: you do that, you haven't really done anything to get

1377
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: yourself better. You're sort of status quo. And that's where

1378
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 1: I would be with the question that you on your emailer.

1379
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: Right now, I think they need something else. I think

1380
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: they need a significant piece, probably via trade too, for

1381
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: me to say that, Okay, they're better than they were

1382
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: last year on paper, you augment that with a really

1383
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: good draft. Now, let's see if you can compete for

1384
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 1: someone ahead of you. Right now, I think, like I

1385
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: said on Tuesday, I think I can make an argument

1386
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: that Juju is better than Myers. I can make an

1387
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: argument that Kausiki is better than John who. I can

1388
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: make an argument that Robinson's better than Damian Harris And

1389
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: how much better does that? Bill O'Brien, that that's coaching,

1390
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: I come on, but it means if it meant so

1391
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: much last year, then it means something this year. Yeah,

1392
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: But coaching I always go back to when it comes

1393
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: to what do you have for players? But it makes

1394
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: better players any better? It makes you better. We'll see

1395
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 1: it does. The last half of twenty one, they weren't

1396
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: any better than they were last year. Yeah, offensively they

1397
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: had great coaching. We saw what bad coaching did. Good

1398
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: coaching makes you better last year. I go back to

1399
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: something that Bill always says about this, and that coaching

1400
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 1: is your floor and the talent is the ceiling of

1401
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: the team. So the coaching is going to be better

1402
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 1: to the point where it's more representable. But that doesn't

1403
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: make you compete with Buffalo, Like Bill, Bill Bryant, calling

1404
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: calling plays isn't going to help you when Josh Allen

1405
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: is just like it's twenty one, you couldn't compete with

1406
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo when you have Josh McDaniels. As you care, But

1407
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny you know, one of the

1408
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: funny moments Devin's retirement ceremony was Bill talking about that

1409
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: draft that got killed by a lot of the us

1410
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: N Yeah, I don't think I put you on the email.

1411
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: The lowest, the lowest. The lowest grade they got was

1412
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: a B minus, the lowest grade he loves. I thought

1413
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: it was funny to lie. But here's the thing. That

1414
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: draft was Devin and Croc the first two picks. Yeah,

1415
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that you'll ever hit like that again.

1416
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: But if I had some more confidence in their ability

1417
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: to hit like that again, then I'd feel fine about

1418
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: where they are in terms of the free agency stuff.

1419
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: But I just to Paul's point, I think their last

1420
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: couple of drafts have been good. Good beat twenty one

1421
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: to a lesser extent last year. I think twenty tw

1422
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: twenty one with good, solid draft, right, But they're not.

1423
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: But they haven't gotten a Devin mccordy or a Rob

1424
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: Gronkowski or a Dante high Tower. And I just looked

1425
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: at it the other day, with high Tower and mccority

1426
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: kind of retiring at the at the same time, that

1427
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: core of Dynasty two point zero, as we all like

1428
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: to call it, of Brady and Edelman in Gronkowski and

1429
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: mccority and a high Tower and Chung. First of all,

1430
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: they're all retired James White, which is sad. But secondly,

1431
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: where did they get all those players? And that's when

1432
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: the drafting started to struggle, a sort of fourteen fifteen ish, right,

1433
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: that's when they started to have the little bit of

1434
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: a drought in the draft. Right, that's why you were here.

1435
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: So I don't think you could just have a couple

1436
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 1: of good drafts and say, Okay, we're back unless like

1437
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: one of those guys that you really hit on turned

1438
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: out to me Mac Jump, you know you can be back, right,

1439
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you know if if all of a sudden,

1440
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, becomes that deep, consistent threat. Okay, so now

1441
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: that elevates, you know, a cold Strange becomes a side

1442
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: solid guard for ten years. You know, good draft that

1443
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: was not going to help. Yeah it's Mac, Like if

1444
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: Mac turned out to be a really good drafty, Like

1445
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: if we're looking at Mac, but why they really nailed

1446
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: back Cole Strange isn't gonna help you in bar Moore,

1447
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: col Strange is not going to help you when you're

1448
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: playing Buffalo and you have to put thirty five on

1449
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: the board to beat Josh Allen. So not gonna help you, E.

1450
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: I would have been very upset with you yesterday. Why

1451
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 1: with this co Cole Strange criticism. I hate it to

1452
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: do it because it says just I'm listening to I

1453
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: don't even would I would blame that person, but I

1454
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: don't know who it was. He wasn't anywhere near as

1455
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: bad he was made out to be. And this is

1456
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: a media thing. They didn't like the pick of the

1457
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: guard in the first round, and they just would destined

1458
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: to make him fail. And I was like, the head

1459
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: coach took him out of three different games that had

1460
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me. Right, I didn't take him

1461
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: out because I don't like guards, but I did. There

1462
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 1: their big point, it has nothing to do it almost

1463
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: has no thing to do with it, Like it has

1464
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the fact that cold Strange was

1465
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: good or not good on the field. The point is

1466
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 1: that the guard position inheritently is not a premium position.

1467
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: It's not going to move the needle. So they took

1468
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: a pick that was a big pick in this whole rebuild,

1469
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: the first round pick, and a rebuild is a big deal.

1470
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: And they took that pick and instead of taking an

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01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 1: outside corner or a receiver or a pass rusher or

1472
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: something like a premium value even to tackle, they took

1473
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: a guard. And that whole draft to me is now,

1474
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: it was at the time and it is now. It's

1475
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: predicated on Tai Kwon. I if Tai Kwon ends up

1476
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: hitting and the draft is fine. But if Tai Kwon

1477
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: ends up being a bust, then the top of the

1478
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: draft was a miss because cold Strange isn't going to

1479
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: move the needle for you, regardless of he's good or not.

1480
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: And then Tai Kwon didn't live up to it. So

1481
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: we'll see about the Jones is right, Jones could be

1482
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: a diamond in the rough. He's a fantastic player, but

1483
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: he's a returner and a slot corner. Right, Yeah, we'll

1484
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: see what he is as a slot corner, because just

1485
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: as a returner, to you a point like you're not

1486
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: gonna like just all of a sudden get to a

1487
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: different level because you have a great returner. Jonah Hughes writes,

1488
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: and he says, I'm a junior at North Carolina State

1489
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: and Material science engineering. Good for you. I wanted to

1490
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: thank you for being the best football podcast out there.

1491
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: You always provide entertaining commentary and Patriots takes. I hope

1492
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: to see soap with a slot in store soon. How

1493
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: much of a role do you think Bill O'Brien is

1494
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: having in the offensive signings this offseason. He's known for

1495
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: liking Yak type players, which is exactly what Juju and

1496
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: Robinson are known for. I love Jacoby and wish we

1497
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: kept him as a wide receiver too, but Juju was

1498
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: eleventh in the NFL and Yak and Jacoby was fortieth.

1499
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: Tight End Gisecki is also up with the same amount

1500
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: of yards tight end. Gisecki is also an interesting receiving threat. However,

1501
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: it does little in the blocking game. Does this make

1502
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: drafting a tight end more likely? Also, I want Laporta

1503
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: drafted in the second or third round in the draft. Well,

1504
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: you can't have Laporta and want blocking because Laporta ain't

1505
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,879
Speaker 1: going to come in here and block. He's a receiving

1506
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: tight end and kind of, you know, in the Hernandez

1507
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: type mold. And I think with Kiseki that this is

1508
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: something that I feel like they've also sort of brainwashed

1509
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: people on is like blocking being this this this huge

1510
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: thing that matters in twenty like it's twenty twenty three, right,

1511
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: Like last time I checked that we're we're and we're

1512
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 1: worried about that they don't have an inline blocking tight end.

1513
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that. I'm not saying that you. Yeah,

1514
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean maybe Gisicki is like exceptionally useless in that

1515
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: regard based on some of them. Yeah, And I'm not

1516
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: suggesting like you should just have tight ends that don't

1517
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: even get in anybody's way. But I kind of agree

1518
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: with you. It's like, you know, little Judan Humphrey, we're

1519
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: gonna have him here, you know, because he can block.

1520
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: Like the people that were still hanging on to hope

1521
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: for Nikkil Harry who were telling me that it's because

1522
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: he's well, look how we blocks, right, And I just

1523
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: don't think that to you a point that you just use.

1524
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: I don't think you win and lose games because of

1525
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: the effectiveness of your wide receivers blocking in the running

1526
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: game now and how they're speed bumps. Of course, it

1527
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: helps as long as they're speed bumps, right, as long

1528
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: as they can get into somebody's way and force them

1529
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: to take a second to go through them to the

1530
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: ball carrier. That's all that matters. If you're telling me

1531
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: that the guy's a laying every single time, that's different.

1532
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: That's what it kind of sounds like a SICKI is.

1533
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: But the emailers point about the YAK, I think, um,

1534
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 1: you know most specifically about Bill O'Brien's influence on some

1535
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 1: of these most Yeah, I think that he's part of this.

1536
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: I think he has an idea of what he wants

1537
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: to do with his system and the players that he

1538
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: thinks can help in it. I do think Juju gives

1539
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: you more explosiveness than myers. I don't think a lot

1540
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: of people would argue about that. Um, I don't think

1541
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: asiki gives you more explosiveness after the catch and running

1542
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: backs all have all yak. Running backs catch passes at

1543
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: or behind the line of scrimmage. So if you're gonna

1544
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 1: get any yards order your running backs, it's gonna be

1545
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: yack right. Yeah, you're not going twenty five yard bombs.

1546
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: You know that down the sideline off and I mean

1547
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: there's a wheel route here or there, but you're not

1548
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: going vertical with your running backs. The nerds that do

1549
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,719
Speaker 1: a lot of deep dives into running back passing game value,

1550
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: and they're on an average, their average depth of target

1551
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: is obviously going to be much lower than a receiver

1552
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: or a tight end. So their whole argument with running

1553
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: backs passing value is you're actually deterring yourself by not

1554
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: throwing to a wide receiver or a tight end running back.

1555
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: And it's sort of to a lesser degree. Why I

1556
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, Mike and I kind of got

1557
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: into a tuesday about Juju and Myers and again, like

1558
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm not you you decided to swap them out. I

1559
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: don't think that you got killed in that. Like, fine,

1560
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: it Jujus a little better, maybe he's a little better, Okay,

1561
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: but that's part of it. It's like you have all

1562
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: these numbers. Now, they tell you we'll look at all

1563
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: these yards after the catch, but they're not taking the

1564
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: consideration how much closer to the line, screaming he catches

1565
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: the ball. But the way the way I look at

1566
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: that running back game, a lot of it is it's

1567
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: a substitute for the passing game. It's a substitute for

1568
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: the running game. Right, A short little swing pass is

1569
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: a high you know, it should be a high you

1570
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 1: know percentage pass, Right, and it's it's like, and how

1571
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: did you think that Romandre Stevenson was in the passing

1572
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: game last year? Fine? Right, it was really good. Yeah,

1573
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,600
Speaker 1: I think until very late in the season when he

1574
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: clearly ran out of gas. Yeah, I thought he was

1575
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: the best player on office. But a lot of teams,

1576
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: including the Patriots, have used that as a substitute for

1577
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: the running game at times. Yeah, and when it's fine,

1578
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: when it's third and three and you get James White

1579
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: matched up on a linebacker and he breaks his ankles,

1580
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: Like that's that's another way that you can use the

1581
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: running back as a valuable pass I'm not saying there's

1582
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: no value in pass catching running backs. I just think that,

1583
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, guys like James Robinson, I don't think necessarily

1584
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: move that needle for me. Like, I'm gonna have to

1585
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: see that he still has that rookie season juice in

1586
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: the passing game that he had with Jacksonville. Like, sure,

1587
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: I can go back and watch him in twenty twenty

1588
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: and see him take some some slants and be productive

1589
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,560
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, But is that the player he

1590
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: still is? And I'm not looking to reopen my whole

1591
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: juju thing, but That's kind of how I feel about Juju. Yeah,

1592
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: if it was twenty eighteen, I wouldn't be telling you that.

1593
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, him and him and Myers are the same.

1594
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: The twenty eighteen season that Juju had is something that

1595
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers could never even aspire to. He would never

1596
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 1: even think about having one hundred and eleven catches for

1597
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,560
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred yards. Myers is not capable of that. But

1598
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think Juju was anymore either. Nick in Connecticut,

1599
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: you had a call last Thursday show. I believe it

1600
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: was a caller named Roman. He claimed he wanted nothing

1601
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: to do with Lamar Jackson because Max's last five games

1602
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 1: of the season gave him hope for this year without Paul.

1603
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: There's no one pushed back on how stupid that claimed

1604
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: that was. I'll put together a few points from each

1605
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: game to show how hopeful it was. Wow, Cardinals MAC

1606
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: had zero touchdowns, one hund exception versus the bottom five

1607
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: pass defense only one because Kyler went out first play

1608
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: of the game, plus another pick that was overturned by

1609
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 1: replaying Raiders. MAC was thirteen to thirty one, passing zero

1610
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 1: t D zero and exceptions, and the callers most idiotic point.

1611
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: The Patriots would have won in overtime because they had momentum.

1612
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: They literally allowed the Raiders to tie the game with

1613
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:18,839
Speaker 1: thirty seconds left. Bengals they scored eighteen points offensively. Dolphins

1614
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: they won by two points against their second and third

1615
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: string quarterbacks while getting a defensive touchdown. Otherwise they scored

1616
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: under twenty again Mac also just reliving the season. Mac

1617
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: also threw an immaculate two hundred and four yard and Bills.

1618
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: He claims the offense outscored the Bills offense and that

1619
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 1: the special team's touchdowns were the only reason the Bills won. Meanwhile,

1620
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: Mac had three interceptions while throwing for less yards and

1621
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: the same amount of touchdowns as Alan in the game,

1622
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: despite the fact Allen was playing with a ten point cushion.

1623
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: I hope I filled the role of Paul Well and

1624
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: signed Lamart for the love of God. Loved the show.

1625
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: Thanks as always. Well, we just had to relive a

1626
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: season that was really not all that fun to live

1627
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: in the first place. So so I would hope that

1628
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: you guys did some pushback on like the last five games.

1629
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 1: There was nothing, no, but there was some of this

1630
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: going around. I remember last year of extrapulating the stats

1631
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: of like, oh, well, you know, the last five games

1632
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,480
Speaker 1: he was at two eighty and the you know, two

1633
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty yards per game or like whatever. There

1634
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: were a lot of interception stats I remember, Yeah, and

1635
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: his interwors got better. They were ignoring. Yeah, he cut

1636
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: back on the interceptions in the second half of the season,

1637
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: but it completely ignored that he also cut back on

1638
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: his production. Yeah. No, I would push back on the

1639
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: notion that there'sn't there's there's no excuses for Mac, But

1640
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't go hand in hand was saying that they've

1641
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: improved the roster enough. You know what I mean, Like

1642
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: to me, this year with Mac, he's got to show

1643
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: some playmaking ability and some you know, overall just a

1644
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: better product on the field for me to be bought in.

1645
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: But that doesn't necessarily mean that I think that he

1646
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 1: should be this is a Super Bowl roster that he

1647
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: should be quarterbacking this year. I think those two things

1648
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: are separate. It's totally fair. You can look at things.

1649
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 1: It's just like Fred when you made the point about

1650
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 1: Billy Oh, like yes, like absolutely as a competent offensive coordinator.

1651
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: At the same time, that alone isn't going to get

1652
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: you over the hump if you don't have the horses,

1653
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: you know. So I won't put it all on that

1654
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: makes it better. I won't put it all on oll

1655
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: We'll see, okay, because I don't think they were all

1656
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 1: that much better at all. And all of this is

1657
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: we'll see. All of it is, we'll see. But that's

1658
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: all we have to go on right now, is on paper.

1659
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: But it definitely makes them better, yes, But the talent

1660
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: itself is like kind of a wash. I mean, they

1661
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: really and I mean I think you can make an

1662
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: argument that they've lost pieces on defense, right, I mean,

1663
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: who have they added on defense to replace Devin mccordy. Yeah,

1664
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: I think that, And he actually tweeted this out the

1665
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: other day. I think they kind of liked their in

1666
01:26:56,160 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: house guys at safety. Would that frighten you? It doesn't.

1667
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't because I think I think Dugger's a really

1668
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: good player. I think Dugger has a chance to be

1669
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: on a mccordy level in terms of what he brings

1670
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: to the table as a player. But I don't think

1671
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: that he'll I don't. I'm not putting a much stock

1672
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: in Jabriel Pepper's and Adrian pl No, I like Dugger too.

1673
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a fraud and tell you, oh, no,

1674
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 1: he can't play. I don't think he's great in coverage,

1675
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: but I like his instincts of going after the ball.

1676
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: He has a nose for the ball, and I threw

1677
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 1: him out as a center fielder type last year, even

1678
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: though that's not the way he's been employed. Yeah, I

1679
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: think there might be a chance that he could play

1680
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: like that. So I like Dugger a lot as a player.

1681
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't love him, right, but I do. I do

1682
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 1: think that he does a lot of things well, and

1683
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: he's physical and he's athletic, all right. Cody from Indiana

1684
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 1: has who am I game? Three clues for a player

1685
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: one guests each. These are all Belichick era Patriots first

1686
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: first player. I have a twin. No one's gonna jump out.

1687
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 1: I feel like it's obvious. Jacob Hollister, No, you're wrong.

1688
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: My favorite beverage is apple juice. And finally, I swear

1689
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: I can be a good punt returner if you just

1690
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: give me a chance. Kyle Dugger has a twin. Oh

1691
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: he's a twin sister, doesn't he Yeah, that's a twin.

1692
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, next person, I have intercepted Tom Brady

1693
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 1: three times. I only spent one season in New England vs.

1694
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: Ravous is correct? Good, next person. My father and I

1695
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: both played for multiple NFL teams. My father and I

1696
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 1: both played for multiple NFL teams. I have been on

1697
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: teams head coach by both Bill and Josh McDaniels. And finally,

1698
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: I caught Tom Brady's one hundred touchdown. I'm over. I'm

1699
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: discussed with this one. I should know Niel Graham, I

1700
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: have one I want. I knew that Daniel Graham's father

1701
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: played in the NFL. So far, good, Cody. I have

1702
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: won a six point Yeah. I have won a Super Bowl,

1703
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: both with with and against the Patriots. I had more

1704
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: than one stint with the Patriots. And Deuce cannot pronounce

1705
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: my name correctly. Yeah, like Garrett Blunt. Like Garrett Blunt

1706
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: is correct, mat that was not me. Finally, I was

1707
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 1: also a baseball prospect before my football career. It's too obvious.

1708
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: I have had more than one combative incident with fans.

1709
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Who and if my aunt had ball, she'd be my uncle?

1710
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: Answers Paul Perella, that's me, Thank you, all right, let's

1711
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 1: give away another T shirt. All right, um again, first

1712
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: person with the correct answer to where radio at Patriots

1713
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,679
Speaker 1: dot Com wins the T shirt. And so it's it's

1714
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: really a speed test. Um, let's say, let's see which

1715
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: one should I do. What is the name of the

1716
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: school Andy taught in for one day? What is the

1717
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: name of the school Andy taught in for one day?

1718
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: This might be not as I think that one might

1719
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,600
Speaker 1: be a little tougher than the normal. Yeah, okay, So

1720
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: first correct answer to web radio at Patriots dot com

1721
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: wins it. So, Matt, you you monitor that. In the meantime,

1722
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: let's get back. Let's get back to the some of

1723
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: the phone calls. The phone lines are stacking up again. Uh,

1724
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

1725
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 1: All right, I'm doing but uh, Paul, I'm like you,

1726
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: and we were about to saying the safety but I've

1727
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: been We're about the same guy picking for the last

1728
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:03,560
Speaker 1: five six is really but Evan, yes, sir, pick it

1729
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: back off of William and Phil him, will you know?

1730
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: Yeah for Philly whatever those corners are too short. You

1731
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: said that Jones is up good, but man, they can't

1732
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: run with dig and and what you gotta throw the

1733
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 1: ball up over the head standing there and there's a touchdown.

1734
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 1: I think the first pick should be a corner. And

1735
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 1: like I said, I package here's some things to move

1736
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: up if ports gone or if you know, because Zalas

1737
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: But I don't know about Rick. Rick kind of scared

1738
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: me a little bit from Alabama. I don't know, what

1739
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: do you think, Well, Rix isn't going in the first round?

1740
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 1: What about Devin Witherspoon. I'm looking at him on the TV.

1741
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: You want taller, he's five eleven feet Okay, But look

1742
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: I there's no doubt about it that they need another corner.

1743
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and say that that's not

1744
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: a need and everybody's overrating that need. All I'm saying

1745
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 1: is is do they need a different body type at

1746
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: corner or do they really need this this shutdown guy

1747
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: that everybody keeps talking about. I personally feel like they

1748
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: can They can more than get away with at least

1749
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 1: just having a matchup corner that can go out there

1750
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: and cover a T. Higgins on a day when they

1751
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 1: face a receiver who's six foot three. Like, I don't

1752
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: think it. I don't think it necessarily needs to be

1753
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: the first round. The other thing I would just say,

1754
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: just looking at this draft, corner is maybe the deepest

1755
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 1: position in the draft. The tacklee now right, and I'll say,

1756
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: you go after Apple, but go after gun thou after

1757
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,679
Speaker 1: you can. But my point is is that there's guys

1758
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: on day two of this draft at corner that I

1759
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: personally feel like can start in the league. I'm not

1760
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: sure if there's a tackle that's going to be there

1761
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: on Day two in this draft that can start in

1762
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 1: the league. So if you're trying to figure out which

1763
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:53,679
Speaker 1: position to go when, I am much more concerned about

1764
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: waiting on tackle because I don't know if there's a

1765
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: starting caliber tackle after the first round. So it makes

1766
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: it hard. I know there's a star in caliber corner

1767
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: to be had at forty six. There's gonna be somebody

1768
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: that they you know, I really like Julius Brents from

1769
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: from Kate State. He's six foot three, he's a good athlete.

1770
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: He fits the bill of a matchup corner to play

1771
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 1: on the outside against bigger receivers. You know, those guys

1772
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: in this draft go you know, twenty deep in the

1773
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,839
Speaker 1: top one hundred, So That's where I'm coming at. Wither

1774
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 1: I rather who had to do ones that I do

1775
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: that does show does test whale, then datives you know

1776
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: like Gonzalez a porter, then the other guys who might

1777
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 1: be like Lucky did the last couple of years, you

1778
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: picked this corner because you thought he was better, and

1779
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: the stuck around it is another butt you know, you

1780
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: never know. But I always, like I said, some time,

1781
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: to be an athlete, you get to go after day athlete.

1782
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: But these guys are all good athletes. Like I might

1783
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: asking them to pick another Juan Williams, who too just

1784
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: can't run with an NFL receiver. You know, these guys

1785
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: are all are all good athletes. This is a very

1786
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: very good corner class where I would have the hard time.

1787
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: And I think whatever talked about is what is what

1788
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: makes it difficult is you know you can sit there

1789
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,719
Speaker 1: and identify your needs and then decide what's worth rolling

1790
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: the dice on. But for me, the corners I'm intrigued

1791
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,719
Speaker 1: by because there seemed to be a handful of guys

1792
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 1: with some decent size, bunch of guys that are that

1793
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: are also athletic, and I think that that's a rare

1794
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: combination that you have options at fourteen that you could

1795
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: get a six two guy that is an athlete or not,

1796
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: as you said, a six two guy like Jowan Williams

1797
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: can't run. You know, I just think that there will

1798
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: be one of those available in the second round. And

1799
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 1: I get I know you could get both in the

1800
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: second round. Right size and athletics. I think so in

1801
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: this class, yeah, because it's just it's a deep class.

1802
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that any of those other guys.

1803
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: You know, Joey Porter, Christian gonzazz is one of my

1804
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 1: biggest draft crushes. The guy's an incredible talent. I personally

1805
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: think a lot of these mock drafts they are coming

1806
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: out that Hapkins allus on the board at fourteen are

1807
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,560
Speaker 1: smoking something like No, I think he's going to be

1808
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: a top ten pick. But regardless of that, you know,

1809
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 1: Cam Smith is on the TV right now from South Carolina,

1810
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 1: really good player. His teammate Darius Rush is also in

1811
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: this draft, is also six foot two, also ran right

1812
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Has had a good run. Yeah. So the

1813
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 1: point being that Cam Smith's going in the first round,

1814
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 1: Rush is probably going on Day two. You have to

1815
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: think about drop offs right, Like, how big of a

1816
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: dropoff is there from Cam Smith to Darius Rush versus

1817
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 1: Broderick Jones to Jalen Duncan, Right, Like, those are the

1818
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: types of things that that teams think it absolutely um

1819
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 1: Boston Cream writes in Paul Paul, Juju's air yards per

1820
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: target was two point four yards less than Jacobe. The

1821
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 1: depth of target between the two isn't a large. The

1822
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:59,679
Speaker 1: difference that separates the two is Juju's route win rate,

1823
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: especially against man coverage, which he's inside the top ten

1824
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: and Jacoby is outside the top fifty. We've always said

1825
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 1: we need man beaters. Now we have one. Oh, I

1826
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: don't know about that. These are bad stats. I was

1827
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 1: gonna say, did you just say there's a difference between

1828
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: depth of target of over two yards? About two yards?

1829
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: That's not I mean you tell me that is that nothing?

1830
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 1: That's not nothing? But the man coverage like that to

1831
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 1: me explains the gap and yards after Yeah, it's it's

1832
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: the difference in the yards after catch is why they

1833
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 1: both average the same amount. Yeah, who is the trivia winner?

1834
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: Chris with a T I A N. Oh? All right,

1835
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: Chris with a T I A N gets a T

1836
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: shirt and the person to say Dighton Rehoboth, and while

1837
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,560
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed my time at d I'm excited about my

1838
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: future Boston Creame. I don't like your stats any too

1839
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: good for the trivia he was supposed to be coming

1840
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 1: after me too, the man coverage stuff. I'd that's not

1841
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: what I see with my eyes, that Juju is a

1842
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,600
Speaker 1: better man coverage beater than Jacoby. I think it's the

1843
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: total opposite. Honest, yeah, I'm not. I don't have those

1844
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 1: numbers in front of me, and I know that you

1845
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 1: do have these kinds of things, so I wouldn't question them.

1846
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: My only thing what I keep saying is again, I

1847
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 1: will accept that Juju is better than Myers. I don't

1848
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 1: really think it, but I'll accept it because I think

1849
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: there's a very logical argument to be made for it.

1850
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: So it's a it's not my Mount Cooks, it's not

1851
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: a hill I'm going to die on. What I just

1852
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 1: can't get past is all of this explosive talk about

1853
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: the yards after catch. I agree Juju Smith Schuster is

1854
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 1: better with the ball in his hands than Jacoby Myers.

1855
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, over the last

1856
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 1: three years and last year in particular, it was the same.

1857
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: Their average per catch is very similar, and I think

1858
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: when you take into consideration last year, one guy was

1859
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 1: in the best offense in football and the other was

1860
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: in arguably the worst, and they both averaged twelve yards

1861
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 1: a catch, even twelve point zero. I don't know how

1862
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: much that explosiveness does for you, That's all I'm saying.

1863
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: I just think that the the argument is is that

1864
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: in this offense and Bill Bryant's system in the way

1865
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 1: they're going to use Juju. If you're using Juju in

1866
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: that way versus using Jacobe in that way, who's the

1867
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 1: player that's better fit for that type of role. But

1868
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: we won't know because Myers isn't going to get that opportunity.

1869
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: I just right, I guess so. But I think that

1870
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: the yards after catch argument comes in in that vague

1871
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: Myers did it catching balls off his shins from Cam

1872
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: and then the last two years, you know, with a

1873
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: young quarterback who was trying to find his way, he's

1874
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 1: Juju did it with Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown on

1875
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: the other side and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, no either that

1876
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,560
Speaker 1: that's fair. I just think that people look at it

1877
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: and look at the yakability of let's see what Myers

1878
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: does this year in Kansas City. But even then it's

1879
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: not happens to happen, No, I know, But like, what

1880
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: does he do with mahomes? You know? Now they both

1881
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 1: go in there. He's going to the Raiders. Why Jimmy Garoppo?

1882
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 1: Why do I keep thinking he's going in because Juju

1883
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 1: came from the Chief came. I'm all messed up? All right, Okay,

1884
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 1: did you bang your head? Well? You are right? Yeah?

1885
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 1: Did you fall down? Okay? Grew up under power lines? Hey,

1886
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: why don't you read another tribute question? I know you

1887
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 1: wanted to get a bunch of those in Not yet?

1888
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:19,480
Speaker 1: Oh okay? Um Calvin from Connecticut, I'm I'm but Dard's podcast,

1889
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,680
Speaker 1: he brought up the possibility of why the books or

1890
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 1: cap numbers for twenty twenty twenty four appeared to be

1891
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:29,759
Speaker 1: pretty open. Uh. In other words, low thirties for total

1892
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:33,680
Speaker 1: players signed in one hundred million cap space. It's the Patriots.

1893
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: The idea was thrown out about ownership having at hand

1894
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 1: and Bill keeping the books more open so that if

1895
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: things go sour this year, they could have the ability

1896
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: to reset or change directions. Roster coach in quarterback. I

1897
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 1: don't believe that. I don't believe this at all, because

1898
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 1: then wouldn't Bill be more open to trading these picks

1899
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 1: away this year, having eleven of them and get the

1900
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: guys of veterans he wants. Also more of splash signings

1901
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: than depth stuff. I'm curious, do you guys believe about

1902
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 1: any reasons for such little twenty twenty four roster planning

1903
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:09,520
Speaker 1: or have the Patriots just not gutting around two extensions

1904
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: of core guys like on when you dug or et cetera.

1905
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: Love the show. Thanks for taking a few of my

1906
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: emails recently. Last thing, still hoping to find out what

1907
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: Evan from previously cliness media thinks of Bobo. Who's Bobo?

1908
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea who Bobo is. I don't know

1909
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: who Bobo was either, But to I can't really get

1910
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: myself to worry too much about twenty twenty four yet

1911
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: because we're so worried. We're so worried about twenty three.

1912
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,759
Speaker 1: But besides that, the Patriots have a bunch of players signed.

1913
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:36,800
Speaker 1: Relative to the rest of the league. They're actually I

1914
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: think near like tenth in terms of guys signed that

1915
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: past twenty twenty four and beyond. The difference is is

1916
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 1: that they don't have a lot of big money guys

1917
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: because they haven't handed So that number that Mike was

1918
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 1: up in arms about is actually high end in the league. Yes, yeah,

1919
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: in terms remember that. What did I say to you

1920
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 1: that day? I need to know more information. I need

1921
01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 1: to know how many guys? Now you sound like me,

1922
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: Paul when I say I need How does that compare

1923
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 1: to other teams? Yeah? I want to say it's eleventh,

1924
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: I think is the number that I looked up. So

1925
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 1: so let's right, right, yeaper. Problem is is that to

1926
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 1: your point earlier, they don't have anybody to pay, right, Like,

1927
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: they haven't paid anybody big money because none of your

1928
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: younger players they're worth it yet. So that's why it's

1929
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 1: a different space. Like I answer this question, the emails question,

1930
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:27,560
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of You don't have a

1931
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: lot of guys that you like. I got to resign

1932
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, right, I'm giving him a big money second contract.

1933
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 1: You know, the last several years, they've had a big

1934
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: money free safety that's been running the show on the

1935
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: back end that they don't have anymore. Right, So, There

1936
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 1: are definitely guys, you know Kisiki Jalen Mills, that are

1937
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 1: signing one year deals to clear out the cap in

1938
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, but a lot of their their young

1939
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: guys just haven't hit extension eligibility or they're just haven't extended. Yeah,

1940
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: you know, like Ker interested in that theory. We'll see

1941
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:01,640
Speaker 1: if it if it ends up having any validity, But

1942
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 1: you do want to keep your flexibility if you're not

1943
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: necessarily certain about the future. It's a good way to

1944
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: go if if if in the back of your mind

1945
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: you think it's possible that we're going to be headed

1946
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:15,600
Speaker 1: to a reset, what if it doesn't work out with

1947
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 1: Mac Jones right, well, you want to have as much

1948
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 1: flexibility as you can. Forget about Bill. That's true, I

1949
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 1: would That's where I would go with it, is that

1950
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's at at that high of

1951
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 1: a level. I think it's more about Okay, if you know,

1952
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 1: Mac Jones isn't the future, And let's say Lamar plays

1953
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 1: on the tag for Baltimore and then becomes an unrestricted

1954
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: free agent next offseason, and now you have fifty million

1955
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: dollars in cap space to give to you know, a quarterback,

1956
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, something like that. Let's get back to the

1957
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 1: phones of Noah is in the UK. Oh, he's not

1958
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: in the UK, he's off the phone. Let's go to

1959
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 1: Tony and Charleston, South Carolina. A lot of South Carolina today.

1960
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm heading down there. What's up Tony, Tony? Is it

1961
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:55,680
Speaker 1: something wrong with the phones today? Yes, it's you. No,

1962
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 1: it's not me. I'm hitting the right buttons, bad fingers.

1963
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: Tony's gone. Let's go to Todd in North Carolina. What's

1964
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 1: up Todd Well Greenville, North Carolina? Which is you know,

1965
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 1: small tiny, I think maybe ninety thousand people. We had

1966
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:13,640
Speaker 1: both mister Beast and Tom Rady here on Monday visiting us,

1967
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 1: which yes, it was kind of startled. And there's pictures

1968
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:21,759
Speaker 1: of him in our one horse airport hugging some airport

1969
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:25,720
Speaker 1: official and stuff. So interesting times. Which brings me to

1970
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 1: something that just Paul just said. I think this entire

1971
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 1: year is about two things. Can does Bill still have

1972
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 1: his fastball? And do we have a quarterback? Because anyway

1973
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: you cut it, you're the teams in the NFL, It's

1974
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 1: all about your quarterback and your coach. You get those

1975
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: two working on the same page and get them going.

1976
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that ye was a little bit of

1977
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,240
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien guidance that we can see something out of Mac.

1978
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: But I don't think they'll ever see Lamar Jackson here.

1979
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 1: I don't think that's something that would work in the

1980
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: long run. I wouldn't count on I. Yeah, no, I

1981
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,599
Speaker 1: don't count on that. So my question is how many

1982
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 1: years do we give this experiment with the coach and

1983
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: quarterback before we say, hey, one of these has got

1984
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 1: a change or both, Like do they get two more years?

1985
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:16,120
Speaker 1: They get one year? This is a critical year. It's

1986
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 1: a critical year even if you think Bill still has

1987
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,400
Speaker 1: his fastball. If Mac has a bad year, now you

1988
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:23,600
Speaker 1: have a decision that you have to make soon with

1989
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 1: his fifth year. And then if obviously, if you don't

1990
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 1: think Bill has his fastball, then you're thinking one or

1991
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 1: two more years for Bill. So this is a critical

1992
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 1: If you think Bill doesn't have his fastball, this is it. Yeah,

1993
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 1: but I don't think that. I don't. First of all,

1994
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't have any wonder if Bill has his fastball. No,

1995
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 1: he's fine. I'm not worried about the coach. I still

1996
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: think the coach is as as good as he's ever been. Yeah,

1997
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm far and maybe O'Brien certainly helps us, and apportedly

1998
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: Adrian clemm certainly helps us. But I've I think the

1999
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: one of the more underreported stories has been the support

2000
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:01,799
Speaker 1: staff losing Dante Scarneckia, losing I'm in fears, losing Ernie Adams,

2001
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 1: then losing Josh like that type of stuff I think

2002
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 1: is getting Really it's hard because it all, it all

2003
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 1: goes on Bill, right, you know, it all becomes about, well,

2004
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 1: is Bill losing his fastball? Or is it that his

2005
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 1: assistant coaches aren't as good as they used to be? Right?

2006
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 1: A lot less experienced? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Um. The Bobo

2007
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 1: that was being referred to as Jake Bobo wide receiver

2008
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: out of you. Yeah, yeah, I know he is. I

2009
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't understand how that has to do with

2010
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 1: my old employer, but sure, So what do you think

2011
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 1: of Bobo? No? No? Okay? Oh wow, No, he must

2012
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 1: really stank because Evan kind of likes everybody. Someone told

2013
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 1: me that he's a little Jordan Humphrey. Oh, I'm out

2014
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, Mike loves him, definitely out on him. No, deuce, Okay,

2015
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:52,800
Speaker 1: did he did he ever talk to you about the

2016
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: other guy he loved when Ucla Phillips, Oh, yeah, yeah, No,

2017
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: he likes he likes Bobo because Bobo was nice to

2018
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,360
Speaker 1: him at the combine, which I'm made fun of. I

2019
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 1: made fun of Mike about that for a while. Oh yeah,

2020
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 1: just good because I know, you know, I don't you know.

2021
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 1: I usually I just let things go. Uh, let's see

2022
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 1: Burton and Burton Island says It's just one of those

2023
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:13,720
Speaker 1: little things. But one of my favorite parts of the

2024
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 1: show is when Fred messes up a call and Paul

2025
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: Mumble's good job, Hardy, because and you know he's probably

2026
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 1: been around long enough to know that when Hardy does it,

2027
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 1: I say, good chop. Fred right El from Wisconsin says, wow,

2028
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 1: I hate the news about Judge. So a big issue

2029
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:32,440
Speaker 1: before was that he kept overstepping his bounds and incorrectly

2030
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: interfering with some positional groups. So the response by Bills

2031
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: to give him that authority. Bill sure loves his guys

2032
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: and will hurt the team to prop them up. This

2033
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: is getting I blame Brier. Yeah, this is the tweet

2034
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: was worded poorly. Yeah, I'm just gonna everyone has a

2035
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,960
Speaker 1: theory on Joe Judge, Why don't you he's he's gonna

2036
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 1: be doing research projects behind the scenes, and then he'll

2037
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 1: work with special teams on the field, right, Like, this

2038
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 1: is not he's not the assistant head coach. Okay, he's

2039
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 1: not the coach and waiting, he's not having some major influence.

2040
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Like we talk about this all the time, Paul with

2041
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 1: the draft, Like Bill's drafting, Okay, no one else is drafting.

2042
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: Joe Judge is not going to all of a sudden

2043
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 1: get into the draft room and be like, agree, Bill,

2044
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: you know what, I really like this kid? Like, no,

2045
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 1: that's this is not happening there. He does some research projects,

2046
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna do some some paperwork and stuff like that

2047
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,240
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, and then when they get out on

2048
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 1: the field for the offseason program in a couple of weeks,

2049
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 1: he'll be with the special teams. I even wonder how

2050
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 1: much you're gonna see him on the field, like actually coaching,

2051
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: Like Matt Patricia was on the field all the time

2052
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 1: during camp and stuff, but not actually coaching a group.

2053
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's just going to be kind of

2054
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 1: out there overseeing and doing what Matt Patricia did in

2055
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: twenty one just sort of being more of an advisor,

2056
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: and I think that they might be quote unquote leaking

2057
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 1: it out there that he's working with special teams to

2058
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 1: sort of allay those fears of like, what after all

2059
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,560
Speaker 1: of those breakdowns on special teams last year, we've just

2060
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:01,679
Speaker 1: gone status quo. Like I think thought that Joe Judge

2061
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:03,800
Speaker 1: did a good job with special teams before he left

2062
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 1: for the Giants, but you did, so he's back in that.

2063
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. But I wonder even how much

2064
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: of that he's going to be doing. Kristen new Hampshire

2065
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: says while the defensive coordinator with the Giants. While Bill

2066
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator with the Giants, Lawrence Taylor was

2067
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: on the roster as the head coach. Tom Brady was

2068
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 1: on the roster with arguably the greatest player ever and

2069
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 1: the greatest defensive player ever. I don't understand how Bill

2070
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 1: has come to the conclusion on how to build a

2071
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:33,639
Speaker 1: team that seemingly flies in the face of the reality

2072
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 1: of who was on his teams when they have had

2073
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 1: the most success. What am I missing here? They haven't

2074
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 1: hit in the draft. It's not that he doesn't think

2075
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,640
Speaker 1: that could play this notion that he doesn't think that

2076
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 1: good players matter, I think is a little bit overblown too.

2077
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: I just think that they caught all those good players

2078
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,560
Speaker 1: in the draft and he hasn't drafted. Well, yeah, so

2079
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: where are you gonna get him from? You're not gonna

2080
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 1: get him in free agency like those guys are not.

2081
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: We saw that. Yeah, you hope that maybe one guy

2082
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 1: like Judeton works out for you, but you're not going

2083
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 1: to get a whole a whole core of players that

2084
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 1: are that are a lade talents through free agency. So

2085
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 1: they guy draft better. Uh. Noah from the UK is

2086
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 1: back on the line. What's up? Noah? Hey, guys, sorry

2087
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 1: about that. I think I just dropped the line that

2088
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 1: was friends. No it wasn't. Go ahead, Noah, Sorry, I

2089
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: happened to be the same caller. I know that another

2090
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 1: guy sent an email I was. I was the one

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01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 1: who was defending Mac Jones last week, and just briefly

2092
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,240
Speaker 1: because that's not why I called in, but I just

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01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 1: wanted to say that I totally agree in those stats

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01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 1: are the stats? Are the stats. It was more than

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01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: I felt the team played more like a team in

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01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 1: in those last five games, and more that you know

2097
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 1: it was going in the right direction at the end

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01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 1: of the year as opposed to twenty twenty one where

2099
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 1: it sort of trailed off. But that's not what I

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01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,280
Speaker 1: called in for. I wanted to ask about the cornerback

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01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 1: group and the tight end group in the draft. So

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01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 1: I've heard, and Alex has said this quite a bit,

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01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:13,560
Speaker 1: is that they're both equally sort of very deep or

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01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:17,680
Speaker 1: unusually deep groups. And I wanted to ask when the

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01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:21,120
Speaker 1: Patriots are drafting and they're in the draft room and

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01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 1: you have a choice between assuming you want to take

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01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 1: a tight end and you want to take a cornerback,

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01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 1: should you go for the better tight end first or

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01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 1: the better cornerback When you're at a place in the

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01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 1: draft like, which one should you wait for? I mean

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01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,720
Speaker 1: it all depends. I mean you mean overall, like or

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01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 1: as a philosophy, or in this particular draft, in this draft,

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01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 1: in this particular draft. That's an evan question. I think

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01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:55,559
Speaker 1: it's tough because I can talk myself into both sides

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01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 1: of that, I suppose. I mean, look, if you think

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01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 1: one of these tight ends is Travis Kelsey and he's

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01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 1: going to be that number one guy in your offense,

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01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:04,640
Speaker 1: and I think that that has more value. I'm not

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01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 1: sure if I see that in this class. Well, let's

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01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 1: just say that it's at fourteen and every cornerback and

2121
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: every tight end is a corner. Absolutely, So that's the end.

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01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,640
Speaker 1: But my answer would be corner. But let's do it

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01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 1: this way because let's so Travis Kelsey or Gronk. Let's

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01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 1: say Gronk and Vas. Yeah, who are you picking? Gronk?

2125
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: That's a tough question, Cronk, but I don't like, I

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01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:33,880
Speaker 1: don't just make it easy for you. Yeah, I mean

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01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:36,519
Speaker 1: I could have said, you know, Gronk or russ I Dowling.

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01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: I think in this day and age, Gronk, I think

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01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 1: the corner party really think then a hall of fame

2130
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 1: shutdown corner. Well, it's a hall of fame tight end.

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01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 1: I know. That's why. That's why I picked high end

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01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 1: both FO side. I think that I didn't want to

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01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,600
Speaker 1: pick because I mean, I love Gronk, but man, I

2134
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 1: am enamored with guys who can what if it's to

2135
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 1: Dion Sanders, oh m hmm, because I wanted to get

2136
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:07,880
Speaker 1: the I have a offseason take about as long as

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01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 1: he stays with me and is Deon gonna tackle? I

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01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 1: just think that the difference is to me is that

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01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 1: in this day and age, in the league, you have

2140
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 1: to compete on the scoreboard like you. I just don't

2141
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 1: a good point. I just don't think that you're because

2142
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 1: you can't shut down other teams. You can't do it.

2143
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 1: But you can't. You have you have chance, you have

2144
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 1: a better chance. Right, It's a good point. That's a

2145
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 1: good counter every once in a while, every once in

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01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 1: a while, and I say, no, you can't. You can't

2147
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:43,720
Speaker 1: go in this league anymore trying to shut everybody. I'm

2148
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:45,560
Speaker 1: not saying they're all wrong, but I'm saying there's a

2149
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 1: lot more really good tight ends in this league than

2150
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,639
Speaker 1: really good corners. Oh I don't know about that. Oh yeah,

2151
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 1: how many starting tight ends are there that are in

2152
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 1: this league? Like fourteen that are actually good tight ends?

2153
01:52:56,320 --> 01:53:00,759
Speaker 1: Fourteens a lot. There's like probably three true shut down corners.

2154
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 1: I think that says, well, there's not fourteen really good

2155
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 1: tight ends in the way I think. So, I think

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01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:08,600
Speaker 1: that the three really shut down corners is because in

2157
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,679
Speaker 1: today's day and age, it's very hard to play corner.

2158
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: And I just don't think I'm saying you're not gonna

2159
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 1: win game seventeen to fourteen anymore. That's my point. But

2160
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 1: I think, but if you got a guy like Vas,

2161
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 1: you put them on their best player, Jamar whoever it is,

2162
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: and that's a huge advantage. But you're operating under the

2163
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:27,400
Speaker 1: assumption that when you do that, and you don't have

2164
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:29,720
Speaker 1: to worry about it anymore. No, Evan's trying to tell

2165
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:31,679
Speaker 1: you that you do that and you're still giving up points.

2166
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that because if you can't score him,

2167
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 1: you can't keep up. Because maybe Revas goes out there

2168
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 1: and let's let's just take the Bengals for example, right

2169
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 1: VS goes out there, he shuts down his side, he

2170
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,439
Speaker 1: shuts down to Jamar Chase. Okay, well, who do you

2171
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:46,760
Speaker 1: have on tee Higgins? Who do you have on Tyler board?

2172
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 1: But as you trickle down, I just I don't think

2173
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 1: football anymore, unfortunately, because I love defensive football and I

2174
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 1: love the you know, your philosophy of foot's put Revas

2175
01:53:58,280 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 1: on Chase and then you double Higgins like I love

2176
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,640
Speaker 1: of all that X and those stuff. I don't think

2177
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:06,719
Speaker 1: you can consistently win in the league anymore. This argument.

2178
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 1: I was corner when I came into this, I think

2179
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:12,759
Speaker 1: he's he's won me over. Um. I would just ask you, Fred,

2180
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,759
Speaker 1: who do you think of the shutdown corners in football?

2181
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:17,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea two or three guys that's like

2182
01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 1: so few, like not even a name pops like you know,

2183
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:25,439
Speaker 1: maybe Miami has one, now I don't know, you know,

2184
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 1: that would be my point, Like I think most people

2185
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 1: would consider Jalen Ramsey a really good corner. Yeah, I

2186
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: think you can beat him all day. Like I don't

2187
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 1: think you're stopping Travis Kelsey, right, I see none of

2188
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 1: these guys. See My point is, none of these guys

2189
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 1: are Drn Sanders a Durell read Well. I bet you

2190
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:42,960
Speaker 1: if you played something, they would be a lot better

2191
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:45,440
Speaker 1: than they look. Now. The game is just it's not

2192
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 1: just about the receiver talent. It's just the way the

2193
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:50,200
Speaker 1: game is played. You know, the rules, the how wide

2194
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 1: open everything is. Like I think that if you know, guy,

2195
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 1: one of my favorite corners in the league is Patrick

2196
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 1: Surtan endeavor. I think if Patrick Curtan played when Ti

2197
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 1: Law played, he would be that good. He'd be that good.

2198
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: But nowadays he's going up against you know, one week

2199
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 1: he's got chased and then next week he's got Tyreek

2200
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 1: and then the next week he's got a J. Brown.

2201
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 1: That is just right, I know. But like to me,

2202
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 1: Rivus and Dion Sanders are transcendent. You know, they're like

2203
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 1: no one's except if you asked Dan to tackle. Well, okay,

2204
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:26,480
Speaker 1: but I'm just talking about pure coverage, pure coverage. No one,

2205
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 1: no one has come close. Even back then, they were

2206
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 1: better than everyone, and they'd be better than everyone now.

2207
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm not disputing that. I just think that

2208
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: he goes back to what Saban said like five or

2209
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 1: six years ago about college football, and I think it's

2210
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:42,880
Speaker 1: really starting to trick up to the league too. You

2211
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 1: have to compete on the scoreboard now. The point is,

2212
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 1: if you had Rivas or Sanders to Evans point on

2213
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 1: a defense, you're still giving up over twenty points a game. Yeah,

2214
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 1: and if you can't score, you can't win the game.

2215
01:55:57,800 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 1: That's the Patriots problem, especially I can't score. You're trying

2216
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 1: to go on a playoff run. At some point in

2217
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 1: those three or four games, you're gonna have to put

2218
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 1: up thirty five to advance. You know. It's just like

2219
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 1: everybody always talks about the eighteen run in the defense

2220
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,320
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, Well in Kansas City, they went

2221
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 1: toe to toe with Patrick Mahomes on the scoreboard, not

2222
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 1: because the defense shut them down and eventually great stuff

2223
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,720
Speaker 1: from them. Yeah. Yeah. The thing about that is, like,

2224
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:22,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of way to score points. You can

2225
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: do it with that tight end. You can do it

2226
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:27,280
Speaker 1: with the great receiver, and obviously you need the quarterback,

2227
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of But man, there's only one

2228
01:56:29,480 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 1: way to shut down that best receiver on the other team,

2229
01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 1: and that's if you have a good corner. You know,

2230
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 1: that's one way to do it. I just yeah, but

2231
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't shut down the offense, tell, but it at

2232
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:41,920
Speaker 1: least it handles one thing that's and I don't think

2233
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 1: it's I don't think anybody is capable of doing that. Yeah,

2234
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 1: it could probably, but I just I just look, you know,

2235
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 1: like you can do it, like like if temporarily, like

2236
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner did it a lot last year, But I

2237
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:55,440
Speaker 1: just think it's a temporarily kind of like if you

2238
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 1: said Jalen Ramsey or George Kittle or Kelsey, I might

2239
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:04,320
Speaker 1: pick the edit in that case, you know, Yeah, Noah,

2240
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 1: because I don't think he's the best. But just whoever

2241
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 1: he comes up. It's like, if you want to pick revs,

2242
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 1: I thought a corner is harder to find. That's why

2243
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 1: I originally went with corner. But your theory, you're you're,

2244
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 1: like I said, you swayed me on just the importance

2245
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 1: of being able to school points. Thanks. No. I just

2246
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 1: wish that they like this is how I would like

2247
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:28,280
Speaker 1: the people in this building to start thinking more. Is like,

2248
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 1: because like sometimes the one thing that worries me about

2249
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 1: this off season so far is that they do really

2250
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:36,200
Speaker 1: think that juju and get sicky and these like this

2251
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:39,760
Speaker 1: is enough. I think Tom Curran had a tweet, you know,

2252
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:41,920
Speaker 1: last week after they signed both of these guys, and

2253
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, well then you put Tae Kwon

2254
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 1: in and like they got some pieces, they got enough,

2255
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,160
Speaker 1: and it's like do they though, like nowadays, do they

2256
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 1: really have enough? And I saw it like he kind

2257
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 1: of I saw that that exchange that he had, Tom Curran,

2258
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,320
Speaker 1: and he he had said something about, you know, hope

2259
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 1: to be able to school more than twenty five points. Okay,

2260
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 1: if that's if the goal is that we can we

2261
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:05,240
Speaker 1: can sniff twenty five points once in a while. Yeah,

2262
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:07,120
Speaker 1: I think that you have that all right? I think

2263
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:08,920
Speaker 1: you have that, hope quickly. I want to give away

2264
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 1: one more T shirt so Matt doesn't lose any more hair.

2265
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 1: Um again. First correct answer to web radio makes this

2266
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:19,880
Speaker 1: should be an easy one. The question is what is

2267
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:25,080
Speaker 1: a nut wizard? What is a nut wizard? First correct

2268
01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 1: answer to web radio at patriots dot com is the

2269
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:33,560
Speaker 1: winner of a Patriot's unfiltered T shirt? What is a

2270
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:40,520
Speaker 1: nut wizard? Let's see are they coming in? Are they're

2271
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: coming in? Now? We can get it on catch twenty two.

2272
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:46,480
Speaker 1: It's my server down. Yeah, what is a nut wizard?

2273
01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 1: So that I gotta tell you something. You could probably

2274
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:50,520
Speaker 1: count on one hand the amount of times I changed

2275
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 1: my opinion on something based on someone else's argument. That's one.

2276
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 1: I see. I see a correct winner. Who is it?

2277
01:58:59,720 --> 01:59:04,800
Speaker 1: Give where he's from? But Carl, Yes, acorn picker upper.

2278
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:09,160
Speaker 1: It's an acorn picker upper pick upper. Ye like it.

2279
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:11,720
Speaker 1: Somebody sent me a couple of those as a gift. Fright,

2280
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:13,720
Speaker 1: you still have that in your office? I do. I

2281
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:16,520
Speaker 1: was complaining about acorns in my backyard one year, and

2282
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 1: this guy sent me a couple of nut wizards, and

2283
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:22,000
Speaker 1: I haven't had a problem with Acorn since so all right,

2284
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:24,400
Speaker 1: now you're on capes. Yeah, all right, that's gonna be

2285
01:59:24,440 --> 01:59:27,880
Speaker 1: it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Stay tuned though,

2286
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:31,440
Speaker 1: for Catch twenty two. Evan and Alex Barth will be

2287
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:34,320
Speaker 1: here to really break it down and really argue. Yeah,

2288
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:37,320
Speaker 1: they have some things to argue. Yeah, they have some

2289
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 1: things to argue about today. So Evan previewed that argument.

2290
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:42,560
Speaker 1: That's coming up next. As for us, we'll see you

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01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:49,600
Speaker 1: next Tuesday. Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple,

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