1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: and Stuff Media. I'm Anny Rees and I'm Lauren Vogelbam. 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: And today we're talking about cider. Yes, yes, because fall 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: is finally happening in Atlanta. It is the temperatures dropped 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: below eighty degrees amazing. And as we've said, it's our 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: favorite season. Helloween's our favorite holiday. And one of the 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: things that screams fall to me is a cup of 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: warm cider with booze in it while you're outside telling 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: scary stories in the fall. Yes. And by and by 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: cider you mean like unfiltered apple juice. Yes, As we 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: have some confusion around the term cider here in the 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: United States, so before you right in, I also like 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: the crisp, bubbly kind that I think most people outside 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: out of the US when they think of cider, that's 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: what it is, That's what it means mostly what we're 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: going to be talking about today. Yes, Yes, and I 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: and I do love both of these kinds of cider. Yes. 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: Um uh. The for hard ciders, I like the super 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: dry ones um and uh uh. Speaking of that, I 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: guess the hot cider that you're talking about the warmed 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: juice um mixed with booze is also one of my 22 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: favorite things, but I can have like half of one 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: every year because they have so much sugar, and sugar 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: plus booze is not my friend. I pretty much just 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: kick off all with it. And that's one. And I 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: feel like until and we're going to talk about this 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: a little bit later, but I feel like until maybe 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: five years ago, at least in my experience, there was 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: kind of just one type of hard cider in the US, 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: and it was very sweet, and I wasn't a fan 31 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: of it. But now recently there has been a beautiful explosion, yes, 32 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: of a lot more different types, which I am also 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: a fan of the dry cider, so very exciting. But 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: that brings us to our questions cider, what is it? Well, yes, 35 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: what we're talking about today is mostly not that first 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: thing and he mentioned, which is what Americans call cider 37 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: and consists of unfiltered apple juice um which has us 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: some apple pulp and stuff in it, but is not 39 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: alcoholic um. And okay, to explain the difference between apple 40 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: juice and apple cider, one Will Fulton, writing for Thrillist, 41 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: pointed me toward an old episode of The Simpsons for 42 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: a basic rundown. So in the episode of The Simpsons, 43 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: are at this the sidery and um Homer's board out 44 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: of his mind, and all of a sudden, the Flanders 45 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: come in wearing giant apple hats and never reveals that 46 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: he has a yearly membership, which he says pays for itself. 47 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: Within sixteen visits um and and Ned's quote on how 48 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: to tell the difference between a cider and apple juices. 49 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: If it's clear and yellow, you've got juice there, fella. 50 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: If it's tangy brown, you're insider tank. Now there's two exceptions. 51 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: A very to the point it memorable. Yeah, good, Ned 52 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: Flanders impression. Thank thank It's really just it's all in 53 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: the it's all in the gesture of like happy waving 54 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: which you can't see, which works so well over in 55 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: audio medium. But yes, so thanks Ned Flanders. That pretty 56 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: much covers it, Um, but no. The cider that we're 57 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: talking about today is mostly what Americans and some Canadians 58 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: call hard cider, which is what happens when you use 59 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: yeast to ferment fruit juice, often apple juice, into a 60 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: lightly alcoholic and carbonated beverage. You know that the yeast 61 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: eat the sugars in the juice and they excrete, carbon 62 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: dioxide and flavors and alcohol yeast poop. Yeah. The word 63 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: cider is thought to derive from ancient Hebrew, meaning strong drink, 64 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: and that word itself probably derived from ancient Babylonian. Um. 65 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Some English speaking places will spell cider with a Y. 66 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: See why d e r if they mean the non fermented, 67 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: unfiltered apple juice. Yeah. And here in the States we 68 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: also have products called sparkling ciders that are carbonated but 69 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: are non alcoholic and are sold in champagne style bottles. 70 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: Just to add to the confusion. That is very confusing. Yes, anyway, 71 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: hard apple ciders are the most common and traditional, but 72 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 1: these days other fruit or combinations like like apple pear 73 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: are popular. Cider that's made from pears is more properly 74 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: called perry, though, and I will note that there's some 75 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: serious shade thrown at products incorporating ingredients other than apples 76 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: and maybe pears in the cider industry. Um from the 77 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: UK cider enthusiast want Andrew Lee or la maybe um 78 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: quote cider is made only from apples with a po 79 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: possible and mixture of pears. Other so called ciders which 80 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: are made or flavored with other fruits and herbs, are 81 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: not ciders at all. At best, they are fruit wines 82 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: known legally as made wines, and at worst they are 83 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: alco pops for indiscriminating and generally young drinkers whoa wow 84 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: shade strong being I know, um, but yes. There are 85 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: just a lot of styles of alcoholic cider, ranging from 86 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 1: like three to seven percent alcohol bi volume typically, but 87 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: but ranging higher. They can be made from from fresh 88 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: pressed juice or from juice concentrate. Um. That juice might 89 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: be filtered or unfiltered, or the booze might be filtered later, 90 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: or it might never be filtered. It could be with 91 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: or without added sugars and other flavorings. They can be 92 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: fermented entirely in tanks and barrels and then bottled or 93 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: partially fermented that way, and then completed in the bottle 94 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: the way you would with champagne via the betel champon 95 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: wa um hoof and chemistry note in the making of ciders, 96 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: so so cider makers have to balance acids and sugars 97 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: and tannins carefully to taste um just the way that 98 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: wine makers do. The tannins often come from incorporating blends 99 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: of apple juices from different varieties of apples. Most tannins 100 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: are found in wild or crab apples, and so that's 101 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: tannins um. On the acid side, the main acid compound 102 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: in apples is malic acid, and makers who want to 103 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: curb it's it's got this really like green apple tart flavor, 104 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: and so some makers want to curb that. So they 105 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: might encourage the growth of lactic acid bacteria in their 106 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: brews to to decrease that malic acid and round out 107 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: the flavor um. That's called mallow lactic fermentation. The lactic 108 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: acid bacteria will eat the sugars and the malic acid 109 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: and excrete carbon dioxide and lactic acid, which brings us 110 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: to bacteria poop. I love it when it's both um. 111 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: But this can create um like smooth or buttery flavors insider, 112 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: the same way that lactic asa do in chardonnay um 113 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: that some brewers want and some don't. Yeah um. Meanwhile, 114 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: on the sugar side, brewers who want to create sweeter 115 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: ciders sometimes these days at artificial sweeteners like sucralose. After 116 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: fermentation is complete, because adding actual sugar at the end 117 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: there could kick off another round of fermentation, which you 118 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: don't want. Um. So yeah, if you've ever noticed like 119 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: a sort of weird artificial aftertaste to a sweeter cider, 120 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: that might be where it comes from. Yeah, and at 121 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: any rate, the result of all this might be anywhere 122 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: from sweet to tart to dry to juicy, too funky, 123 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: probably somewhere in between, um, with a little or a 124 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: lot of bubble, and any color from nearly clear too 125 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: yellow to amber to a beer like brown. Oh and 126 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to say, another product with cider in the 127 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: name that we're not talking about today is apple cider 128 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: vinegar um, which is what you get you ferment apple 129 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: juice all the way to the vinegar stage, like right 130 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: past the alcohol stage, zoom right by it. Yeah. Yeah, Um, 131 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: that is a whole other episode. Oh definitely, we were 132 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: talking about it before we started. Yes, I have to 133 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: say there, yes, Um, what about some nutrition drink responsibly yeah, um, 134 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: but hard ciders are fairly similar to beers nutrition wise. Um. 135 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, of course, individual products from both categories very real, greatly, 136 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: but but ciders often contain a handful more calories and 137 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: carbs than beers do um and most are all of 138 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: the cider's carbohydrates will be sugars though, because apples contain 139 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of antioxidants, ciders can too. Okay, I wouldn't 140 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: say that that's a reason to start drinking alcoholic cider, sure, 141 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: but you know it's the thing. It's it's in there, 142 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: that's fun. Yeah. Apple cider numbers, numbers, We do have 143 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: some numbers, after all, But disappearing cider is making a 144 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: comeback year in the United States. As we mentioned, from fifteen, 145 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: sales of cider jumped by seventy five percent what in 146 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: the American market inteen that came out to three hundred 147 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: and sixty six million dollars wow, um yeah, and it 148 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: kept growing. By eighteen it was five hundred and ten 149 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: million dollars, with the industry employing over a thousand workers 150 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: here in the U. S. Alone. Globally, um, the industry 151 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: was valued at about one point one billion dollars as 152 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen, so a little bit earlier, and at 153 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: that point was expected to grow to one point six 154 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: billion by three UM. Europe accounted for over half of 155 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: that market, but the North American market was the fastest growing. 156 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: Makes sense. The rise of gluten free products has boosted 157 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: cider sales. Most of them are gluten free. And there 158 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: are cider festivals um. One called Pour the Core happens 159 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: yearly in Philly and Long Island and includes a cider 160 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: donut eating contest, cider donuts, other whole separate episode um, 161 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: and a lot of the Apparently it's a good place 162 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: to to get a pretzel on a string to wear 163 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: around your neck to eat pretzel necklaces. Yeah, I'm a 164 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: big fan of those. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah see see 165 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: our pretzel episode form law um. And they have a 166 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: list of over one hundred and forty hard ciders to 167 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: sample at these events. Wow, I love it. Around the world, 168 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: there's there's a whole lot of these things and a 169 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: lot of good puns. I think my favorite that I 170 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: saw was for one festival outside of Bristol every year 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: called the Outsider Festival. Yes, yeah, yeah, um, which seems 172 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: I like really want to go, like to this random 173 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: festival that I clicked through from an internet page. They 174 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: call themselves an old school, no nonsense weekend, a fantastic 175 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: live music, cider and madness, no tribute bands, no X Factor, 176 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: no Carling log Er, no tossers, old school, no nonsense madness. 177 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: I know. I like whoever these teom Sorry, I want 178 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: to hang out with them. Yeah sounds great. It does. 179 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: The country with the highest perk aptic consumption is England, 180 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: and the world's largest cider producing companies are there, and 181 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: we have a couple of cideries in Atlanta, NOL. We 182 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: do what we do, and I do feel like that 183 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: has been pretty recent mostly. Yeah, well that's about where 184 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: we are. But how did we get here? We're going 185 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: to find out. But first we're going to take a 186 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. 187 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, And we're back with 188 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: a disclaimer. Not an apple episode, Nope, nope, nope. One 189 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: day we touched on some apple history in our apple 190 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: Pie episode. It's just going to be a massive undertaking. Yeah, yeah, 191 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm unprepared, but yes, we do have like a brief 192 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: right as far back as a third en hundred BC, 193 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: apple trees grew along the Nile River in ancient Egypt, 194 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: and though there are no records of them making ciders 195 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: specifically from these apples, we know that the ancient Egyptians 196 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: were super into fermenting things and super into beer, so 197 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: it's not outside the remal possibility that they brewed up 198 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: some kind of cider. Apple trees themselves most likely originated 199 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: in Kazakhstan, and one way or another, those trees made 200 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: it to Asia and Europe. Yeah, By around one thousand BC, 201 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: ancient Jews and Greeks and Celts were probably fermenting apple juice. 202 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: Whoever discovered that apples could be fermented into cider. Once 203 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 1: it was discovered, it was quickly adopted. In b C. 204 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: When the first Romans invaded the British Aisles, they found 205 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: and fell in love with a cider like drink enjoyed 206 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: by the locals. The Romans took it back with them 207 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: to their homeland, where it spread within the Roman Empire 208 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: and throughout all of Europe. They also brought with them 209 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: different varieties of apples and an orchard techniques to the 210 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: Celts in Britain. Um. By the third century CE, yes 211 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: that spread it happened in cider could be found throughout 212 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: the continent. Um Are p Plenty mentioned a drink made 213 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: from apple juice, so plenty it was especially cherished among 214 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: Germanic tribes and also among the Normans, who probably picked 215 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: up cider making from the Spanish. In fact that the 216 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: Norman's introduced apple orchards and the word cider to England 217 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: after their ninth century conquest. Folks would use these big 218 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: circular stones for grinding apples for juice, since early orchards 219 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: were a bit of a mix of everything when it 220 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: came to apples before grabting was really a thing that 221 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: didn't happen at a large scale until the grafting Um. 222 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: Farmers never knew what they were going to get. The 223 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: apples deemed not sweet enough to eat or turned into cider, 224 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: and we did something like this apple grinding on old 225 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: fashioned day? Did you have an old fashioned day? No? 226 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: What's what's old fashioned day? There? You're all fashioned? And 227 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: he addressed in on weird outfit, an old timey out Okay, 228 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: when when you when you wrote old fashioned day? I 229 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: was like, is this a day about the cocktail? Did 230 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: an elementary school? And probably not, now that I understand 231 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: it's an elementary school? They probably not. All I wrote 232 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: was old fashioned, although we did. I grew up in 233 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: the north north north eastern part of Ohio, near where 234 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of the Shaker settlements used to be, and 235 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: we went on a tour of a couple of those 236 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: a couple of times, and they had like historical reenactors 237 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: doing stuff. And I'm pretty sure that apple presses were involved, 238 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: but oh gosh, it's hard to say. I feel confident 239 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: that they were. I feel confident in my interpretation of 240 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: your memory. You were there. Yeah. My elementary school was 241 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: really close to um l J, which is a big 242 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: apple growing area in Georgia. And uh so we we 243 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: would go visit apple orchards and there would be cider 244 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: making demonstrations, although it's not alcoholic cider, right sure, yeah, exactly, 245 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: But the same thing with the Shakers, right, if that 246 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: makes sense. Um, I remember Old Fashioned Day because, as 247 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: I said in our turn Up episode, I'm really good 248 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: at guessing the weight of things, so I usually want 249 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: to pumpkin every year. Oh yeah, and the Old Fashioned 250 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: Day was in Septembers and the pumpkin always went bed 251 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: before Halloween. Well, nonetheless, like more pumpkin season is really yeah, 252 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: no complaints, Yeah, no complaints. Um, but one other note 253 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: before we get back into it. Um, while we were 254 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: talking about those orchards, and grafting. Um uh. It's it's 255 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: important to note that apples are one of those things 256 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: where the genetic material in the seeds will not necessarily 257 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: produce the same kind of apple that you're eating. It's 258 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: important if you want, like like a standardized crop of apples, 259 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: to employ these grafting techniques. And yeah, they hadn't quite 260 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: worked them out until at least exactly anyway. Anyway, apples 261 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: and or other fruits steeped in water left to ferment 262 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: resulted in a drink enjoed in the Middle Ages called 263 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: the pens. Early cider makers, unsure of what caused the 264 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: fermentation process, might throw things in there like nert are 265 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: raw meat. Bacon was a favorite. Okay, I mean bacon 266 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: and apple. I can see that. According to the National 267 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: Apple Museum, because of its strong bitter taste, some ciders 268 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: were called squeal pig ciders because of the sound people 269 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: made when they drank it. Oh gosh, okay. In some places, 270 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: cider was used as highs or to pay rent and 271 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: partially to pay workers. Many farms with enough apple trees 272 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: had their own cider press, and a rational cider might 273 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: be included in like a wage package. In five. Guille 274 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: di guba Ville, a Frenchman, wrote in a diary entry 275 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: about a suggestion from a visitor to heat cider into 276 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: the alcohol rose up esteem into a copper pot, ready 277 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: to bottle or age in an oak barrel. This spirit 278 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: was bequeath with the name of the region in Normandy 279 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: it was from Calvados. There's even a saying in Normandy 280 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: Norman hole refers to Calvados enjoyed it in the middle 281 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: of the meal, to make a hole in your appetite, 282 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: to make room for more. Essentially, this is also known 283 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: as apple brandy or in the US apple jack. More 284 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: on that in a minute. European monasteries regularly soul cider, 285 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: and it was popular during the wast Sail. It was 286 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: featured in drinking songs like this one. I were brought 287 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: up on cider, and I'd be a hundred and two. 288 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: You still that be nothing when you come to think 289 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: me father and mother be still in the peak, and 290 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: they were bought up on cider of the rare old 291 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: Tavistock brew and me Grantford drinks courts where he's one 292 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: of the sports that were brought up on cider too. 293 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: Oh man, it's basically, the cider and drinking cider is 294 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: going to help you live longer. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. Cider 295 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: is referred to in Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream and 296 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: in sixty two um experiments with glassmaking and cider bottling 297 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: lad one Christopher Merit to submit a paper to the 298 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: Royal Society in England that would that would change the 299 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: way the carbonated beverages worked forever um how thanks to cider. Yeah. 300 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: It was these innovations that gave rise to champagne being 301 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: a thing um and other sparkling lines. See our Champaigne 302 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: episode for more on that, and it also led to 303 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: the spread of cider over the next couple hundred years. 304 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: As with all things boozy, popular folklore considered cider healthy, 305 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: if not downright in medicinal um. In sixteen sixty four, 306 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: John Evelyn wrote in his fruit Fermentation guide pomona Um 307 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: quote Generally, all strong and pleasant cider excites and cleanses 308 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: the stomach, strengthens digestion and infallibly freeze. The kidneys and 309 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: black are from breeding the gravel stone. Reading the gravel stone, 310 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: that sounds yeah, don't don't let them do that. Definitely 311 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: don't let them do that. Drink some cider. By the 312 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, traveling cider makers would take carts to farms 313 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: with too small of a crop to justify having a 314 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: cider mill all to themselves, and these carts would set 315 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: up shop and get to milling and pressing. It was 316 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: a very short season of work. But I just love 317 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: the idea of these guys like traveling cider cart uh 318 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: huh um. In England, some West Country farms were producing 319 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: cider commercially as early as seventy seven, and over the 320 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: next few decades some of those ciders were exported to 321 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: London and beyond and regarded as highly as French wines. Wow. 322 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: Also in England cider riots. Yes, it's another tax related 323 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: scuffle regarding a food product in the annals of history. 324 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: All right. So it was seventeen sixty three and England 325 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: and was super in debt due to its involvement in 326 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: a number of wars, most recently the Seven Years War. 327 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: So lawmakers proposed a new tax on cider production, and 328 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: those producers were piste um. First because taxes, you know, um, 329 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: and second because the law allowed surveyors to search private 330 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: property without a warrant for cider making stuff. There were riots. 331 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: There were tales of surveyors kidnapped and only released if 332 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: they promised to change professions. Um, it's where we get 333 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: the phrase an Englishman's home is his castle. About these 334 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: warrantless searches. Uh one William Pitt wrote, the poorest man 335 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: may in his cottage been defiance to all the forces 336 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: of the crown. It may be frail, its roof may shake, 337 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: the wind may blow through it to the storm may enter, 338 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: the rain may enter. But the King of England cannot enter. 339 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: All his force dares not crossed the threshold of the 340 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: ruined tenement. Yeah, I'm feeling passionate for this riot that's 341 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: over long gone, but I'm riled up right so Yeah. 342 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: The law was repealed in seventeen sixty six. Successful. The 343 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: first large scale cider manufacturing operations started opening than in 344 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: the eighteen eighties, once the Industrial Revolution was in full swing. 345 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: By the turn of the twentieth century, though, cider was 346 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: on the decline in Europe due to an agricultural depression 347 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: and the growing popularity of French wine. When European colonists 348 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: began settling in the Americas, Meanwhile, yes, they brought with 349 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: them the cider. In the early days for these settlers, 350 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: grains and barley for the preferred beverage of beer. We're 351 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: not the easiest to grow, especially on the East coast 352 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: of the United States or what would become the United States. Um, 353 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: but apples were a bit easier, so cider was readily 354 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: accepted substitute for a long time. American apples were smallish 355 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: and more bitter than what we're familiar with today. They 356 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: weren't the established named apple varieties from Europe, and that 357 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: meant that people weren't really keen on eating them, but 358 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: they were happy and to juice them and allow that 359 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: juice to ferments. As early as six three columnists were 360 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: planting seeds specifically for cider. So yes, early cider was 361 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: generally alcoholic, and yes, became pretty American before American was 362 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: really a thing. I saw a lot of I know 363 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: we did in our apple pie episode, even though American 364 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: is an apple pie is saying it's not quite true, 365 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: but it's kind of a similar thing happened here because 366 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: they weren't the European apples, they were American apples, and 367 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: we were drinking a lot of it because we couldn't 368 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: get the beer we wanted, so we were drinking a 369 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: lot of cider. And yeah, I remember at this time 370 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: boozy drinks were for the most part, safer than drinking water, 371 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: and there was a less boozy version for children called 372 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: apple kin, or in some places I read it was 373 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: called cider kin hard cider. It was also sometimes used 374 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: as currency. According to mental Floss, barrels of apple cider 375 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: may have even been used to pay for some of 376 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: the first roads in the United States. Yeah. On top 377 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: of this, colonists realized that yes, if they ferment inside 378 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: of even longa, they would arrive at that apple cider 379 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: vinegar that we talked about um, which became very significant 380 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: as a condiment in the colonies. But perhaps more importantly, 381 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: they used apple cider vinegar for pickling, which helped them 382 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: get through harsh winters. And cider was believed and or 383 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: promoted as having many health benefits, keeping you warm in 384 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: the cold, rheumatism prevention, digestive aid, bladderstone prevention, laryngitis, colera, dysentery, typhoid, 385 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: colic hank out, all those things that could purportedly help 386 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: you out with it. Even supposedly aided in longevity, just 387 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: like that song suggested, they were not the first. During 388 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: a lull and one of the first battles of the 389 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: Revolutionary War, the Battle of Concord, on April nineteen seventeen five, 390 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: Elias Brown, a man the locals subscribed as eccentric, Shall 391 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: we sell? We went down enemy lines selling hard cider 392 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: at both sides, and apparently he made some decent money 393 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: doing it. Wow, oh gosh, that's a business. He sees opportunity, 394 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, accepts the risk you have to do. You 395 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: have to take your shot. You can't throw away your shot, 396 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: Hamilton taught us um. After a failed seventeen fifty five 397 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: campaign for Virginia's House of Burgesses, George Washington ran again 398 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: in seventeen fifty eight. This time he bought voters one 399 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: hundred and forty four gowns of cider. And this wasn't 400 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: this was kind of a common practice at the time, 401 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: handing out free booze or food or etcetera. And the 402 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: rest is history, Um, This American President brought to you 403 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: by cider. At least two other founding fathers wrote of 404 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: their love of cider. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. Franklin 405 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: said he witnessed a Native Americans say, after hearing a 406 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: missionary tell the story of Adam and Eve, it's indeed 407 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: bad to eat apples. It's better to turn them all 408 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: into cider. That's the takeaway of that story. I have 409 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: long thought. Sure. Yeah. He also said he that drinks 410 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: his cider alone, let him catch his horse alone. Oh huh. 411 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: Parable about about don't don't, don't be greedy share that stuff? Okay, Yeah, 412 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: I just can't. I just see the horse running away, 413 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: and I'm confused. It's a different times. It's about buy 414 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: your body a drink. It's like it's like another round, 415 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: I'll get this one. Yeah, okay, totally. Okay, it's a 416 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: round amount way we'll say it. We say it differently 417 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: these days. Apparently President John Adams liked to start each 418 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: day with a jug of cider. M hmmm. And Washington 419 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: wasn't the only person who you cider and elect? Total campaign. 420 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: Oh I love this, I do too. There's so much 421 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: information about this. It made me very happy. In response 422 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: to a Richmond editorial reading quote, give him a barrel 423 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: of hard cider and a pension of two thousand dollars 424 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: a year, and he will sit the remainder of his 425 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: days in his log cabin. Eighteen forty week Party presidential 426 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: candidate William Henry Harrison took those words and made them 427 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: a part of his campaign, which, if you couldn't tell 428 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: that was supposed to be an insult, right, yeah, yes, 429 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: So he heard that was like, oh, I see you. 430 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: Challenge accepted. He became known as the log cabin and 431 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: apple cider candidate, basically the you can have a beer 432 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: with him working class argument of its time. People indulged 433 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: in cider at his rallies. Um. He easily beat his opponent, 434 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: Martin van Buren. He went on to give the longest 435 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: inauguration speech in history, and then died a month into 436 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: his presidency of mona something from the speech because it 437 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: was raining. Oh gosh. Um. But this is uh known 438 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: as one of the biggest backfires presidential campaign history because 439 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: they thought it was this big burn, and it actually 440 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: helped him win. And it gifted us with two well 441 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: known additions to our American vocabulary. One get the ball 442 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: rolling after a ten football bedecked with pro Harris and 443 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: slogans and made of tin and paper about about three meters. Um, 444 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: I had a handful of Harrison's supporters pushing it for 445 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: hundreds of miles. Uh what that is the weirdest campaign? Okay, well, 446 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: I mean sure. I mean, you know, we didn't have 447 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: like the Internet, we didn't have buses, we didn't have Netflix. 448 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: Like people had to make their own fune, make a 449 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: big tin, football paper and tin and just push it 450 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: for hundreds of miles. It gets a lot of engine, 451 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot of it. I have to imagine it gets dirty. Yeah, 452 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: I agree. Probably the slogan's got a little and tumble 453 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: after after a time. But okay, the second word, we 454 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: got a word or phrase booze. Really yes, from these 455 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: whiskey filled log cabin shaped bottles provided by the E. C. 456 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: Booze Distillery, and these were handed out by Harrison supporters. 457 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: Really yeah, that's great. I know I want to like 458 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: a log cab and bottle. Oh I feel like I 459 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: feel like we saw at least one of those at 460 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: the Wild Turkey Distillery, because they have all those very 461 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: strange most of them are turkey shaped, perhaps obviously right, 462 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: but in their history they have put out some weird bottles. 463 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, we're suckers for some strange bottles apparently helped 464 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: this guy with residency. Maybe the whiskey, but I'm sure 465 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: the bottle was very memorable. The first stillery license in 466 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: the US was issued in seventeen eighty to New Jersey's 467 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: Laird and Company Distillery, and according to the families records, 468 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: soon after Alexander Laird arrived to the US from Scotland, 469 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: he planted apple trees to make cider spirits a k a. 470 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: Apple jack. The story goes, according to them, that when 471 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: Laird went to serve under George Washington, Laird's family sent 472 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: apple jack to the troops, and of course and they're retelling. 473 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: Washington loved no copper. Still no problem. Americans figured out 474 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: a way to make apple jack without using one, instead 475 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: employing freeze distillation. So during the wintertime they leave a 476 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: barrel of cider outside the so that the water would 477 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: freeze off, leaving the liquid alcohol. Yeah, that which they 478 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: would scoop. Oh, that's that's that's a part that doesn't 479 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: always work right. It's not without risk. This whole thing 480 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: is called jacking, by the way. Uh, And yeah, it 481 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: can leave behind some toxins that distillation would typically get 482 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: rid of. Right, because when you distill something, you you uh, 483 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: you use a you get you get a full run, 484 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: and within that run, you really only keep a certain 485 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: amount of it. Right, Yeah, exactly, Okay. This gave apple 486 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: Jack a bit of a bad reputation for a while. 487 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:31,959 Speaker 1: It was sometimes called essence of lockjaw. Yeah. Article published 488 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: in The New York Times read the victim of apple 489 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 1: Jack is capable of blowing up a whole town with 490 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: dynamite and of reciting original poetry to every surviving inhabitant. 491 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: Original poetry. Oh well, at least that's a silver lackning. 492 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that's my favorite burn on drunk people that 493 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: I've ever heard in my entire life. Like they're gonna 494 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: burn some stuff down and they're going to recite poetry 495 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: to the survivors. Yeah. I love that. Like I've had 496 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: those nights. That's we've all been there. Drink responsibly, Shrink responsibly. 497 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: For people who didn't want to play around with apple 498 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: Jack but did want a boozier version of cider, they 499 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: might add a liquor into the ciders. So one of 500 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: the popular renditions was half cider and half rum. It 501 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: was called stone wall because it was like running into one. Yeah, 502 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: there was another one with a very similar name, and 503 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't forget if they have the same thing, are 504 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: just like a different, very close thing anyway, like running 505 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: into a wall. A sevent nineties survey out of Massachusetts 506 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: found that every citizen over fifteen down a yearly average 507 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: of thirty four gallons of beer insider, five gallons of 508 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: distilled spirits, and a gallon of wine. For reference, today, 509 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: the average American consumes about four gallons of alcohol a year. 510 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: Everything everything, Times have changed. Speaking of time changing, cider's 511 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: popularity did take a hit once Eastern European and German 512 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: immigrants began settling in the Midwestern US, where it was 513 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: easier to grow barley and grain, and they brought with 514 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: them their love and knowledge of beer. Still before the 515 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: twentieth century, people were drinking a pint of cider a 516 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: day in apple growing regions. The Industrial Revolution impacted cider 517 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: production as well as more farmers moved to working in 518 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: factories in cities. Cider, unpasteurized and unfiltered at this time, 519 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: did not transfer it well, and beer you can make 520 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: in the city. It's hard to kind of pick up 521 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: a whole apple orchard and Yeah, more difficult, Yeah, yeah, 522 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. Still, fifty five million gallons were being 523 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: produced in in nineteen nineteen, that number was thirteen million gallons. 524 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: And that brings us to the biggest blow to American cider. 525 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: Prohibition Yes obviously perhaps, yes, I mean it affected a 526 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: number of things. Is about American alcohol production. Definitely did 527 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: American cider. He's almost went extinct during this period. Some 528 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: hardcore prohibitionist burned apple orchards to prevent the production of 529 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: cider dudes, and by the time prohibition was overturned, people 530 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: had pivoted to beer and viewed apples was primarily for eating. 531 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: Not only that, wine and beer were not subject to 532 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: the same restrictions post prohibition that cider was. When it 533 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: came to added preservatives. Yeah, cider wasn't allowed to have 534 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: any where. It was fine for wine and beer. This 535 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: seems to be due to attempts by the beer and 536 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: possibly wine industry or industries to prevent cider from getting 537 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: back in the game the very least slow it down. 538 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: The vol Said Act outlawed alcoholic cider and allowed the 539 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: production of only an annual two gallons of sweet cider 540 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: per orchard. Also soft drinks didn't help because they filled 541 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: the role long held by cider um. In ninety six, 542 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: the UK instated a new cider tax. No no riots 543 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: this time. I think, I think it's okay, okay, we're 544 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: getting We're getting fine, we're getting through just fine. Okay. Good. Well, 545 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: there's another thing to be in the UK. Very funny 546 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: headline from the Daily Mail, and that I stumbled on 547 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: cobwebs tangles cider maker? What what? What kind of cobwebs 548 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: did he get tangled in? Apparently he had it was 549 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: part of a tourist attraction. He had these big cobwebs 550 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: in his cider seller. But uh, this fellow Roger Wilkins 551 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: uh was told he had the quote wrong kind of 552 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: cobwebs from the EU, and Mr Wilkins commented on the 553 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: whole thing. This is bureaucracy gone mad. He had to 554 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: get rid of the cobwebs. They said he could have 555 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: newer cobwebs. Oh but it wasn't wasn't It wasn't like 556 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: sanitary or something. I don't know. Maybe the spiders involved 557 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: were like poisonous or something, or venomous. What a spiders 558 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: get up to? I don't remember maybe they work spiders 559 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: there you go. I don't know. It's all like they 560 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: were just saying, these are old cobwebs. You need new cobbs. 561 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: Nothing but the freshest cobwebs. Otherwise get out of town. Well, 562 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: it was a tourist attraction. Yeah. In Congress here in 563 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: the US past regulations to bring American cider onto the 564 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: same page as the rest of the world, increasing the 565 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: permitted alcohol content and the carbonation and adding pairs as 566 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: an allowable fruit, which, as we said, yeah, it's you know, 567 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: pairs are maybe okay, may be okay. Yeah, if y'all 568 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: have a stronger opinion about it than I do. I'm 569 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: only reporting what I've found on the internet. Yes, Um, 570 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: that's the best we can do. Yes, Oh and yeah, 571 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: that but pretty much that pretty much brings us to today. Ish, 572 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: i'd I'd say right around two thousand six was the boom, 573 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: the beginnings of the boom of of a resurgence of ciders. 574 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: And and it's a lot and it is exciting. Oh. 575 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: I love that it's a that it's a wide option 576 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: at a lot of the brew pubs that I go to. Yeah, 577 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: because I have a lot of friends who don't like 578 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: pure not much, but they do really like cider. Yeah. 579 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: And whereas the wine selection at a lot of beer 580 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: and like booze focused places, it is kind of not 581 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: a selection um the cider selection that those places could 582 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: be quite rebust. It can be time to get some cider. 583 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: But first we do have a little bit more left. 584 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: We do. But first we've got one more quick break 585 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank 586 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: you sponsored, Yes, thank you, And we're back with listener. 587 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: I don't know a drinking song. I only know the 588 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: one from Lord of the Ring. Fake drinking song. Well, 589 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: you can turn it into what does the Dumbledore say? 590 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: Of course it's all in your head, Harry, But who's 591 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: to say it's not real. I'm always ready to go, 592 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,479 Speaker 1: always ready. I like how seamlessly slipped from a Lord 593 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: of the Rings reference into a Harry Potter reference. That's good. Yes, 594 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm available for parties, very specific type of parties, but 595 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm available for them. Rebecca wrote. The reason I'm writing 596 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: to you is twofold one because of the Bidders episode 597 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: just playing in my ear right now, and too because 598 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: you two entertain my office, the whole office doesn't listen 599 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: to the show directly, but I listen and then bring 600 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: in the crazy and fun food facts I learned through 601 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: your show. I've been listening since Champagne and love the show. 602 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: That's awesome. In between my employment, I got deployed and 603 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: my co worker would frequently message me to tell me 604 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: how much he misses my fun food facts. Now that 605 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: I'm back, he doesn't work in the same office about 606 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: another building, and I try to share only the most 607 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: interesting and crazy facts that I hear. Otherwise I would 608 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: bore my co workers to tears. And for the bidders, 609 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: I'm a bar tender. In the bar I work at 610 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,959 Speaker 1: is rather posh. It has at least four different types 611 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: of bidders for all of our cocktails. And since I'm 612 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: not a soda while we call it pop here in Ohio, 613 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: drinker and mostly drink water. On the days I want flavor, 614 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: I'll throw some bidders in a glass of sparkling water 615 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: to spruce up my beverage. It's lovely and if you 616 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: haven't tried it, I do suggest it. Oh gosh, that 617 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite things to do. I absolutely 618 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: suggested as well. Yes, I tried it after doing this. 619 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: I was like, yep, yeah, it's just refreshing and lovely. 620 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: It tricks me into hydrating. M hm. I'm so happy 621 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: that since that episode I found so many new ways 622 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: to use bitters. Oh I haven't put them in my 623 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: coffee yet. Okay, that's good. Alright, alright mental note. Uh 624 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: Tara messaged us on Facebook to say, hi, ladies, I'm 625 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: just listening to the food Waste episode and want to 626 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: let you know of a pop up restaurant we had 627 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: here in London that my company worked with last year 628 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: at Selfridges. It was called waste Ed, and each day 629 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: there was a well known or celebrity chef heading the kitchen. 630 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: All of their food came from grocery stores and other 631 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: restaurants that were going to throw it out is waste. 632 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: The food was still fine and safe to be consumed, 633 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: but for whatever reason they were going to throw it 634 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: or it was waste in terms of unused cuts of meat, fish, 635 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: et cetera. So the menu changed each day and there 636 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: were no choices. It was a set price and set 637 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: menu based on the supplies received. It was basically fully 638 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: booked each night it was open. I just thought you 639 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: would find that interesting oh indeed, Yeah, that's great. I 640 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 1: know I'd love to check something out like that. Yeah. 641 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: And then um and on Facebook shared at the Onion 642 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: headline new Helmets theme park to feature world's longest Lazy 643 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: Mayo river, and uh, I didn't realize it was an 644 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 1: Onion headline at first, and the drop in my heart 645 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: into my stomach, the nausea, and then I realized, like, 646 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: no way, and then you checked and then I saw 647 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 1: the link It was an Onion lack longest Lazy Mayo river. No. Oh, 648 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: I can feel it the back of my throat. Also, 649 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm really bad at lazy rivers, as uh Lauren and 650 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: I discovered when we were in Orlando recently. Apparently I 651 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: can't relax. I was just tensil well. They were also 652 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: like surprise, like like fountains spurting and stuff like that, 653 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't it wasn't the laziest of lazy rivers. 654 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: And at one part I was going backwards and I 655 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: wasn't sure why I was having at and then I 656 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: was too embarrassed to it out at the end because 657 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: I thought I was trapped in the tube, so I 658 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: went around a second loop. Not good at lazy rivers. 659 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,919 Speaker 1: It's not in my skill set. Okay, Well, I mean 660 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: you know you can. You can get better and anything. 661 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: You're capable of improving any skill with practice. I love 662 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: the idea of a montage scene with lazy rivers, like 663 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: the rocky music in the background, and I'm like putting 664 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:30,919 Speaker 1: on the swim girls settling into the tube. I'd watch 665 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: something like that. That would be delightful. I think so too. Yeah, 666 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: and hearing from these listeners was delighted. Yes, thank you 667 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 1: so much for writing in Yes, and if you would 668 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: like to write to us, you can. 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