1 00:00:15,647 --> 00:00:20,927 Speaker 1: Pushkin Just a quick note before we start today's show. 2 00:00:21,327 --> 00:00:24,327 Speaker 1: You can listen to Hot Money, the New Narcos ad 3 00:00:24,407 --> 00:00:28,647 Speaker 1: free by becoming a Pushkin Plus subscriber. Find Pushkin Plus 4 00:00:28,647 --> 00:00:31,887 Speaker 1: on the Hot Money Show page in Apple Podcasts or 5 00:00:31,927 --> 00:00:36,927 Speaker 1: at pushkin dot fm, slash Plus. With your subscription, you'll 6 00:00:36,967 --> 00:00:40,887 Speaker 1: also get access to ad free binge opportunities from Malcolm 7 00:00:40,927 --> 00:00:45,687 Speaker 1: Gladwell's revisionist History, The Happiness Lab from Doctor Lori Santos, 8 00:00:46,047 --> 00:00:48,767 Speaker 1: and tons of other top shows in the Pushkin Network. 9 00:00:49,247 --> 00:00:53,367 Speaker 1: Sign up in Apple Podcasts or at pushkin dot Fm, 10 00:00:53,527 --> 00:00:58,167 Speaker 1: slash Plus. 11 00:01:00,487 --> 00:01:03,247 Speaker 2: I'm Miles Johnson, and I'm an investigative journalist with the 12 00:01:03,247 --> 00:01:06,367 Speaker 2: Financial Times and the story I'm gonna tell you it's 13 00:01:06,407 --> 00:01:09,327 Speaker 2: not a love story, but his stoughts with a wedding. 14 00:01:10,167 --> 00:01:13,087 Speaker 2: It's a wedding that takes place in Dubai in twenty seventeen. 15 00:01:14,527 --> 00:01:17,127 Speaker 2: It's a hot summer's day at the Burj Al Arab, 16 00:01:17,647 --> 00:01:20,567 Speaker 2: one of the most expensive hotels in the world. It's 17 00:01:20,607 --> 00:01:24,167 Speaker 2: a skyscraper shaped like the sail of a ship, rising 18 00:01:24,247 --> 00:01:28,447 Speaker 2: up from the glittering water of the Persian Gulf. Guests 19 00:01:28,527 --> 00:01:31,327 Speaker 2: can arrive across a private bridge in the hotel's fleet 20 00:01:31,367 --> 00:01:35,087 Speaker 2: of rolls, Royce phantoms or flyin landing on the helipad 21 00:01:35,087 --> 00:01:38,487 Speaker 2: on the roof. The wedding party that day has been 22 00:01:38,487 --> 00:01:43,007 Speaker 2: told to keep things discreete no photos and no social media. 23 00:01:43,527 --> 00:01:47,847 Speaker 2: Security is tight. The groom is a young Irish entrepreneur 24 00:01:48,127 --> 00:01:50,687 Speaker 2: and some of his most important business partners have come 25 00:01:50,727 --> 00:01:54,327 Speaker 2: to celebrate his big day. But these aren't your average businessmen. 26 00:01:55,767 --> 00:01:59,527 Speaker 2: Some of them hang priceless stolen masterpieces on their walls. 27 00:02:00,247 --> 00:02:04,607 Speaker 2: They've got multiple passports with multiple identities, and they can 28 00:02:04,727 --> 00:02:09,207 Speaker 2: order the assassination of almost anyone anywhere in the world. 29 00:02:10,647 --> 00:02:14,327 Speaker 2: Because this isn't just a wedding, this is an international 30 00:02:14,367 --> 00:02:17,247 Speaker 2: crime summit. It's a meeting of what will come to 31 00:02:17,287 --> 00:02:21,767 Speaker 2: be known as the Dubai Supercartel, a shadowy criminal network 32 00:02:21,927 --> 00:02:26,367 Speaker 2: that controls a multi billion dollar cocaine empire spanning the globe. 33 00:02:30,247 --> 00:02:32,887 Speaker 2: Over the years, I've written about a lot of different things, 34 00:02:33,167 --> 00:02:36,167 Speaker 2: but more recently you could perhaps describe my beat as 35 00:02:36,207 --> 00:02:40,047 Speaker 2: the places where crime and business collide. I've written about 36 00:02:40,287 --> 00:02:44,207 Speaker 2: Russian billionaires who control private mercenary armies and the Italian 37 00:02:44,247 --> 00:02:47,247 Speaker 2: mafia laundering their cash through the City of London. Have 38 00:02:47,367 --> 00:02:51,847 Speaker 2: covered Vatican, financial scandals and spy rings that smuggle microchips. 39 00:02:52,407 --> 00:02:56,287 Speaker 2: Because crime is a business, and modern organized crime groups 40 00:02:56,567 --> 00:03:01,527 Speaker 2: they're increasingly run like multinational companies. They have thousands of employees, 41 00:03:02,047 --> 00:03:07,767 Speaker 2: complicated logistical supply chains, and even investment portfolios. It's a 42 00:03:07,807 --> 00:03:10,807 Speaker 2: big economic story, but you don't usually read about it 43 00:03:10,847 --> 00:03:14,927 Speaker 2: in the business pages because reporting on international crime groups 44 00:03:14,927 --> 00:03:18,007 Speaker 2: in the same way we'd report on a blue chip corporation, well, 45 00:03:18,007 --> 00:03:21,967 Speaker 2: it's hard. Crime bosses they don't usually have pr teams 46 00:03:22,047 --> 00:03:25,327 Speaker 2: you can bring up, and mafias. They don't publish audited 47 00:03:25,367 --> 00:03:29,607 Speaker 2: accounts or glossy annual reports. But the money generated by 48 00:03:29,647 --> 00:03:33,967 Speaker 2: organized crime is vast, and most of the time it's invisible. 49 00:03:34,527 --> 00:03:38,247 Speaker 2: It's like this ocean of shadow cash. We know it's there, 50 00:03:38,647 --> 00:03:41,807 Speaker 2: but we can't ever really see it. It's trillions of 51 00:03:41,847 --> 00:03:45,607 Speaker 2: dollars and it fuels things like weapons trafficking and war. 52 00:03:46,167 --> 00:03:49,887 Speaker 2: It can even topple governments. And the men celebrating in 53 00:03:49,967 --> 00:03:52,287 Speaker 2: that wedding in Dubai. They've come up with a new 54 00:03:52,367 --> 00:03:55,807 Speaker 2: model of organized crime, and it's become so successful that 55 00:03:55,847 --> 00:03:59,367 Speaker 2: by twenty seventeen, police believe that they control a third 56 00:03:59,407 --> 00:04:03,007 Speaker 2: of Europe's cocaine market worth billions of dollars a year. 57 00:04:04,687 --> 00:04:07,527 Speaker 2: When I first came across the du By Supercartel, it 58 00:04:07,527 --> 00:04:11,327 Speaker 2: seems like something from a film, something almost ridiculous, like 59 00:04:11,487 --> 00:04:15,087 Speaker 2: Specter from James Bond. I needed to find out more, 60 00:04:15,327 --> 00:04:18,167 Speaker 2: so I started talking to people. I met with sources 61 00:04:18,167 --> 00:04:22,487 Speaker 2: in law enforcement, undercover agents, spies. I got hold of 62 00:04:22,527 --> 00:04:26,887 Speaker 2: legal documents and investigative dossiers, and then I realized, this 63 00:04:27,007 --> 00:04:30,087 Speaker 2: isn't just a story about crime. This is a story 64 00:04:30,327 --> 00:04:34,207 Speaker 2: about a secret economic war. It's a story about who 65 00:04:34,247 --> 00:04:37,607 Speaker 2: gets to control how money moves around the world, and 66 00:04:37,647 --> 00:04:40,647 Speaker 2: where the Western government can keep hold of that power 67 00:04:40,927 --> 00:04:44,887 Speaker 2: as the rules based international order breaks apart. Because I 68 00:04:44,967 --> 00:04:49,407 Speaker 2: discovered that the Dubai Supercartel, they're not just hiding from governments, 69 00:04:49,807 --> 00:04:54,407 Speaker 2: they're working alongside them. But my first clue to understanding 70 00:04:54,407 --> 00:04:57,447 Speaker 2: how this group of criminals became so rich and so 71 00:04:57,607 --> 00:05:00,847 Speaker 2: powerful it took me somewhere that's a million miles away 72 00:05:00,847 --> 00:05:04,207 Speaker 2: from the bling of a Dubai wedding, because one day 73 00:05:04,607 --> 00:05:06,727 Speaker 2: I was speaking to a source and they told me 74 00:05:06,807 --> 00:05:11,167 Speaker 2: something I just really wasn't expecting. They said, if you 75 00:05:11,247 --> 00:05:14,767 Speaker 2: really want to understand how all of this works, you 76 00:05:14,847 --> 00:05:16,647 Speaker 2: have to go and look at a murder in a 77 00:05:16,687 --> 00:05:24,807 Speaker 2: small town in the Netherlands. This is Hot Money. Season 78 00:05:24,807 --> 00:05:53,887 Speaker 2: two the New Narcos episode one, Murder Brokers. 79 00:05:53,887 --> 00:05:56,047 Speaker 3: One of the good things about being a crime reporter 80 00:05:56,407 --> 00:05:59,407 Speaker 3: is let you talk to everyone who wants to talk 81 00:05:59,447 --> 00:06:03,767 Speaker 3: to you, very different people, and I like to do that. 82 00:06:05,447 --> 00:06:09,287 Speaker 2: This is Paul Volks. He's a reporter in anster that 83 00:06:09,807 --> 00:06:12,127 Speaker 2: and for more than twenty years he's been working the 84 00:06:12,127 --> 00:06:15,847 Speaker 2: local crime beat for Het Parole, a daily city newspaper. 85 00:06:17,127 --> 00:06:20,207 Speaker 2: Paul wears black t shirts and a leather jacket and 86 00:06:20,247 --> 00:06:23,407 Speaker 2: has a gold hoop in one ear. He's old school. 87 00:06:23,807 --> 00:06:28,047 Speaker 2: He's not posting hot takes on social media. When I 88 00:06:28,087 --> 00:06:30,687 Speaker 2: first met Paul, he didn't take long before he showed 89 00:06:30,687 --> 00:06:34,887 Speaker 2: me his bike. He rides it everywhere down cobblestone streets 90 00:06:34,927 --> 00:06:38,247 Speaker 2: and squares and along beautiful canals, going to coffee shops 91 00:06:38,247 --> 00:06:41,327 Speaker 2: and bars to meet his sources. But if that sounds 92 00:06:41,327 --> 00:06:44,007 Speaker 2: a bit quaint, there's a fast, seedy aside to Amsterdam 93 00:06:44,207 --> 00:06:47,767 Speaker 2: that keeps a crime reporter like Paul pretty busy. Because 94 00:06:47,807 --> 00:06:50,367 Speaker 2: Amsterdam is famous for his beauty, but it's also well 95 00:06:50,407 --> 00:06:53,327 Speaker 2: known for its red light district. It's relaxed drug laws 96 00:06:53,447 --> 00:06:57,327 Speaker 2: and a vibrant criminal underworld, and that means Paul always 97 00:06:57,367 --> 00:07:02,967 Speaker 2: has plenty to write about. Like all good crime reporters, 98 00:07:03,087 --> 00:07:06,727 Speaker 2: Paul works his beat. He speaks to everyone. He talks 99 00:07:06,767 --> 00:07:11,407 Speaker 2: to police officers, lawyers, the local prosecutor's office. But Paul 100 00:07:11,487 --> 00:07:14,447 Speaker 2: is also always cultivating his underworld sources. 101 00:07:15,407 --> 00:07:18,927 Speaker 3: I tried to build my network step by step because, 102 00:07:19,367 --> 00:07:22,327 Speaker 3: as you might know, as a crime journalist, your colleague 103 00:07:22,367 --> 00:07:25,207 Speaker 3: cannot give you his or her network. That's not possible. 104 00:07:26,207 --> 00:07:29,447 Speaker 2: And he learns early on the criminals well, they care 105 00:07:29,487 --> 00:07:34,127 Speaker 2: about journalistic standards too. A notorious underworld figure reaches out 106 00:07:34,127 --> 00:07:36,207 Speaker 2: to Paul about a mistake he thought he'd made in 107 00:07:36,247 --> 00:07:38,607 Speaker 2: one of his articles, because he wanted to set the 108 00:07:38,647 --> 00:07:39,327 Speaker 2: record straight. 109 00:07:40,287 --> 00:07:43,407 Speaker 3: But the first time, of course, I thought where to meet, 110 00:07:43,767 --> 00:07:48,047 Speaker 3: how to meet, how to keep it safe. I learned 111 00:07:48,207 --> 00:07:51,927 Speaker 3: quite fast that some public space as a coffee bar, 112 00:07:52,607 --> 00:07:56,487 Speaker 3: is the best place to sit. Or an airport where 113 00:07:56,527 --> 00:07:59,087 Speaker 3: everybody knows there are lots of cameras, there's a lot 114 00:07:59,087 --> 00:08:02,407 Speaker 3: of security. Nothing will happen there. You'll know for sure 115 00:08:02,567 --> 00:08:05,927 Speaker 3: that all eyes will be focused on you as a criminal. 116 00:08:05,927 --> 00:08:09,207 Speaker 3: And I we don't fit in so if something weird 117 00:08:09,287 --> 00:08:12,207 Speaker 3: would deppen, everybody would be a witness and they know 118 00:08:12,247 --> 00:08:14,087 Speaker 3: it as well. 119 00:08:14,247 --> 00:08:18,847 Speaker 2: Back in twenty fifteen, Paul is busy covering crime in Amsterdam. Muggings, 120 00:08:19,247 --> 00:08:22,327 Speaker 2: rival gangsters trying to kill each other, batches of dodgy 121 00:08:22,407 --> 00:08:25,407 Speaker 2: drugs that put people's lives in danger. These seem like 122 00:08:25,407 --> 00:08:27,647 Speaker 2: the sort of things you'd imagine happen in any big city. 123 00:08:28,527 --> 00:08:32,287 Speaker 2: Then one morning in December, he gets a call. It's 124 00:08:32,327 --> 00:08:33,527 Speaker 2: from the police department. 125 00:08:34,567 --> 00:08:37,087 Speaker 3: A man in his fifties was shot with one bullet 126 00:08:37,127 --> 00:08:39,887 Speaker 3: in the head and standing next to his fan. Going 127 00:08:39,927 --> 00:08:44,727 Speaker 3: to work from Amsterdam. I went to Almira, which is 128 00:08:44,767 --> 00:08:45,767 Speaker 3: twenty minute rides. 129 00:08:46,407 --> 00:08:50,527 Speaker 2: Is it somewhere you expect there to be shootings, murders? 130 00:08:50,567 --> 00:08:52,647 Speaker 2: You know what sort of areas there's There are lots 131 00:08:52,647 --> 00:08:54,127 Speaker 2: of crime there. What's it like? 132 00:08:54,967 --> 00:08:57,767 Speaker 3: The area and they live in in Alma is just 133 00:08:58,047 --> 00:09:01,087 Speaker 3: very normal neighborhood with normal working class people. 134 00:09:02,127 --> 00:09:03,527 Speaker 4: Not much trouble over there. 135 00:09:04,647 --> 00:09:07,847 Speaker 2: When Paul arrives, there's already red and white tape blocking 136 00:09:07,847 --> 00:09:10,567 Speaker 2: the area and police up a tent to cover the body. 137 00:09:11,047 --> 00:09:13,607 Speaker 2: He gets out his notebook and starts to gather the facts. 138 00:09:14,407 --> 00:09:17,887 Speaker 2: The victim is called Ali Mtamad. He's fifty six years 139 00:09:17,887 --> 00:09:20,487 Speaker 2: old and he's an engineer at the state electric company. 140 00:09:21,007 --> 00:09:23,887 Speaker 2: He's got a wife, a son. He's a family man. 141 00:09:24,327 --> 00:09:27,087 Speaker 2: But there isn't much else to go on. The electrician 142 00:09:27,127 --> 00:09:28,847 Speaker 2: doesn't seem to have any connection to crime. 143 00:09:29,687 --> 00:09:34,647 Speaker 3: All the sources I asked, nobody knew who was this Alimodamet. 144 00:09:35,727 --> 00:09:38,127 Speaker 2: To Paul, it just seems to be a random shooting, 145 00:09:38,647 --> 00:09:40,567 Speaker 2: So he heads back to his office and files a 146 00:09:40,607 --> 00:09:44,847 Speaker 2: short story. A few weeks later, his editor asked him 147 00:09:44,847 --> 00:09:47,247 Speaker 2: to write a roundup of the most notable crime stories 148 00:09:47,247 --> 00:09:49,647 Speaker 2: of the last year, and the murder in al Mayor 149 00:09:49,927 --> 00:09:53,207 Speaker 2: doesn't make the cut. Paul goes back to riding around 150 00:09:53,207 --> 00:09:56,807 Speaker 2: on his bike and meeting his sources. But in the 151 00:09:56,847 --> 00:09:59,967 Speaker 2: months after, Paul finds that he can't get the Matamid 152 00:10:00,047 --> 00:10:03,527 Speaker 2: case out of his head. That thing when you write 153 00:10:03,567 --> 00:10:06,047 Speaker 2: a story and you have a nagging voice in your head, 154 00:10:06,247 --> 00:10:09,967 Speaker 2: maybe there's something that I'm missing. Paul's covered a lot 155 00:10:09,967 --> 00:10:14,447 Speaker 2: of murders, but this one it seems weird. He can't 156 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:19,647 Speaker 2: shake the feeling that something doesn't quite add up. The 157 00:10:19,687 --> 00:10:22,527 Speaker 2: first thing is the style of the killing. It wasn't 158 00:10:22,527 --> 00:10:25,687 Speaker 2: a sloppy job or a wild act of rage. 159 00:10:25,887 --> 00:10:29,407 Speaker 3: The thing was that one shut through the heads. It's 160 00:10:29,447 --> 00:10:34,607 Speaker 3: not the familiar way of assassinating people. In other assassinations, 161 00:10:34,967 --> 00:10:39,687 Speaker 3: automatic rifles are used, many bullets are shut. 162 00:10:39,847 --> 00:10:42,527 Speaker 2: And then there was the motive. One theory is that 163 00:10:42,647 --> 00:10:45,767 Speaker 2: Mtommed was part of some family feud or had argued 164 00:10:45,807 --> 00:10:48,847 Speaker 2: with a friend. Most of the murders, Paul writes about 165 00:10:48,847 --> 00:10:51,487 Speaker 2: that kind of thing, or criminals killing each other over 166 00:10:51,607 --> 00:10:55,807 Speaker 2: money or tough settling scores. But that didn't really fit 167 00:10:55,927 --> 00:10:58,727 Speaker 2: with the matomic case. So there were other theories. 168 00:10:59,447 --> 00:11:03,367 Speaker 3: Oh, maybe electricians so him. Maybe he was in hemp business. 169 00:11:03,767 --> 00:11:06,127 Speaker 3: The hemp people they need illegal electricity. 170 00:11:06,927 --> 00:11:10,247 Speaker 2: Hemp is another name for weed, and some weed grows 171 00:11:10,247 --> 00:11:14,247 Speaker 2: in the Netherlands steel electricity to power their operations. Matammed 172 00:11:14,327 --> 00:11:17,287 Speaker 2: was an electrician. Maybe that was his connection to crime. 173 00:11:18,007 --> 00:11:20,567 Speaker 3: Maybe he was a wrong person. That was an idea. 174 00:11:21,447 --> 00:11:25,367 Speaker 2: This seemed like the most plausible explanation, a terrible case 175 00:11:25,407 --> 00:11:30,327 Speaker 2: of mistaken identity. Paul keeps thinking about it as he 176 00:11:30,407 --> 00:11:34,047 Speaker 2: drops into cafes to meet informants about other stories. He 177 00:11:34,127 --> 00:11:35,447 Speaker 2: mentions Alimtammad's name. 178 00:11:36,127 --> 00:11:40,327 Speaker 3: Criminals didn't know him, Policemen didn't know him. I tried 179 00:11:40,367 --> 00:11:43,007 Speaker 3: to do some research, but I didn't get a clue. 180 00:11:43,047 --> 00:11:46,567 Speaker 2: To be honest, as a reporter, you can have dozens 181 00:11:46,647 --> 00:11:49,887 Speaker 2: of meetings that lead to nothing, but once in a 182 00:11:49,927 --> 00:11:53,687 Speaker 2: while you get lucky. And that's what happens to Paul. 183 00:11:55,127 --> 00:11:57,567 Speaker 2: Out of nowhere, he gets a tip. 184 00:11:58,647 --> 00:12:04,527 Speaker 3: I was talking to some source I knew very well, 185 00:12:05,487 --> 00:12:08,327 Speaker 3: and this source A told me just at the second 186 00:12:08,527 --> 00:12:11,487 Speaker 3: cup of coffee in and he said, well, you remember 187 00:12:11,567 --> 00:12:14,927 Speaker 3: this story of Alimo Damett. You're working on that still, Yes, 188 00:12:15,807 --> 00:12:18,247 Speaker 3: you should go on and go on and dig and dick, 189 00:12:18,367 --> 00:12:22,167 Speaker 3: because there's a very weird, big story behind this murder. 190 00:12:37,327 --> 00:12:40,047 Speaker 2: Paul wasn't the only person thinking about what happened in 191 00:12:40,127 --> 00:12:41,007 Speaker 2: al Mayor that day. 192 00:12:41,887 --> 00:12:47,647 Speaker 5: I remember this, this shooting December fifteenth. Your really nice 193 00:12:47,687 --> 00:12:50,247 Speaker 5: neighbor got guilt. Nobody knows why. 194 00:12:51,487 --> 00:12:55,087 Speaker 2: At the time, Eliam was involved with the local city council. 195 00:12:55,767 --> 00:13:00,167 Speaker 5: So yeah, I remember it was like this mystery for 196 00:13:00,247 --> 00:13:01,887 Speaker 5: people like, well, what happened? 197 00:13:02,887 --> 00:13:06,647 Speaker 2: Uler say. He's this intense guy who locks you into 198 00:13:06,647 --> 00:13:09,967 Speaker 2: his gaze, and he's a sharp dresser. When we meet, 199 00:13:10,047 --> 00:13:13,327 Speaker 2: he's wearing this charcoal suit and a black unbuttoned shirt 200 00:13:13,447 --> 00:13:17,487 Speaker 2: down to his chest. When Alimtammed is murdered, Ulis is 201 00:13:17,527 --> 00:13:21,047 Speaker 2: just getting into local politics. He's a spokesperson for safety 202 00:13:21,047 --> 00:13:23,847 Speaker 2: in public order in our mayor where Alimtammad was killed. 203 00:13:24,487 --> 00:13:29,567 Speaker 5: What was strange in this case there was nothing and 204 00:13:29,767 --> 00:13:35,247 Speaker 5: this was fueled by the National police. 205 00:13:36,367 --> 00:13:39,207 Speaker 2: Police appealed on national television for any information that the 206 00:13:39,207 --> 00:13:40,367 Speaker 2: public could give them. 207 00:13:40,967 --> 00:13:43,127 Speaker 5: Have any tips, do you have any suggestions. We put 208 00:13:43,167 --> 00:13:44,287 Speaker 5: out this reward. 209 00:13:44,327 --> 00:13:48,687 Speaker 2: But no one came forward. A year goes by, still nothing. 210 00:13:49,767 --> 00:13:52,367 Speaker 5: I thought, this is getting this is getting a bit weird. 211 00:13:52,887 --> 00:13:56,007 Speaker 5: So we don't have any clues to find the shooters. 212 00:13:56,567 --> 00:14:00,087 Speaker 5: There's no information about the circumstances of the of the shooting. 213 00:14:02,127 --> 00:14:05,767 Speaker 2: Ulisse is particularly interested in this case because Alimtomed, it 214 00:14:05,807 --> 00:14:10,127 Speaker 2: turns out, was born in Iran and his own family 215 00:14:10,287 --> 00:14:12,807 Speaker 2: also moved to the Netherlands from Iran around the same 216 00:14:12,807 --> 00:14:14,247 Speaker 2: time that alimtammedd did. 217 00:14:14,727 --> 00:14:19,247 Speaker 5: I'm named after Odysseus, you know, the Greek king, because 218 00:14:19,287 --> 00:14:22,207 Speaker 5: my father was he was reading Odysseus and my father 219 00:14:22,407 --> 00:14:25,167 Speaker 5: was like, okay, I lost my home. I don't know 220 00:14:25,207 --> 00:14:27,447 Speaker 5: where my home will be, but I'm sure this baby 221 00:14:27,487 --> 00:14:28,447 Speaker 5: will find a new home. 222 00:14:30,007 --> 00:14:33,607 Speaker 2: Ulissa's father was a critic of the hardline theocracy imposed 223 00:14:33,607 --> 00:14:36,727 Speaker 2: by the new regime in Iran after the revolution. He 224 00:14:36,807 --> 00:14:39,727 Speaker 2: knew his life might be in danger if he stayed. 225 00:14:40,287 --> 00:14:44,047 Speaker 5: He had to go into hiding very fast. He never 226 00:14:44,127 --> 00:14:46,647 Speaker 5: had the chance to say goodbye to his mother, for example, 227 00:14:46,847 --> 00:14:48,287 Speaker 5: because it was too dangerous. 228 00:14:48,887 --> 00:14:51,847 Speaker 2: First his father moved to Afghanistan, where Ulisse was born, 229 00:14:52,647 --> 00:14:55,127 Speaker 2: and then they moved to the Netherlands, eventually settling in 230 00:14:55,167 --> 00:14:58,447 Speaker 2: al Mayor. Ulisse grew up in the same sleepy suburb 231 00:14:58,447 --> 00:15:00,407 Speaker 2: where Alimtammed lived and died. 232 00:15:01,247 --> 00:15:03,687 Speaker 5: I've been living there for twenty years now. And the 233 00:15:03,727 --> 00:15:06,327 Speaker 5: funny thing is, or the special thing, it also relates 234 00:15:06,367 --> 00:15:11,007 Speaker 5: to my history, you know, like it's a newc the province. 235 00:15:11,607 --> 00:15:14,367 Speaker 5: One of the nicknames is like new land because it's 236 00:15:14,407 --> 00:15:18,527 Speaker 5: built from water. Yeah, and my family came to a 237 00:15:18,567 --> 00:15:21,167 Speaker 5: new land. It started a new life. So yeah, it 238 00:15:21,247 --> 00:15:22,487 Speaker 5: all connects really nicely. 239 00:15:23,727 --> 00:15:27,007 Speaker 2: Ulisses father became a law professor and he kept speaking 240 00:15:27,007 --> 00:15:30,047 Speaker 2: out against the Iranian regime from his new home. But 241 00:15:30,087 --> 00:15:33,167 Speaker 2: there was a cost, and this became a reality when 242 00:15:33,167 --> 00:15:36,487 Speaker 2: the family moved to our Mayor. His father started getting 243 00:15:36,527 --> 00:15:37,367 Speaker 2: serious threats. 244 00:15:38,207 --> 00:15:42,287 Speaker 5: At that time, my father received a massive security protection. 245 00:15:43,727 --> 00:15:48,647 Speaker 5: I was young, You're still focused on things you do 246 00:15:48,767 --> 00:15:52,327 Speaker 5: when you're at that age, you know, playing football, trying 247 00:15:52,327 --> 00:15:55,687 Speaker 5: to enjoy life. But yeah, when you see your dad 248 00:15:56,367 --> 00:16:02,927 Speaker 5: being transported with multiple bodyguards, yeah, of course your life changes. 249 00:16:03,887 --> 00:16:06,407 Speaker 2: So decades later, when an Iranian man is shot in 250 00:16:06,447 --> 00:16:10,487 Speaker 2: his hometown, it gets Ulysses' attention. Even more so when 251 00:16:10,527 --> 00:16:13,927 Speaker 2: police finally share what they've pieced together from CCTV footage, 252 00:16:14,487 --> 00:16:17,247 Speaker 2: it shows that the idea the assassin's made a mistake 253 00:16:17,847 --> 00:16:22,287 Speaker 2: looks less and less plausible. This was a meticulously planned operation. 254 00:16:25,327 --> 00:16:29,287 Speaker 2: The police report is a difficult read. It's a chilling 255 00:16:29,287 --> 00:16:34,687 Speaker 2: account of a cold, premeditated murder planned over weeks, and 256 00:16:34,727 --> 00:16:38,287 Speaker 2: it reveals that the killers made two failed attempts in 257 00:16:38,287 --> 00:16:43,087 Speaker 2: the days before Alie Mtummed was shot. On December eleventh, 258 00:16:43,247 --> 00:16:46,327 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, at around quarter past six in the morning, 259 00:16:47,327 --> 00:16:50,927 Speaker 2: a blue BMW drives slowly down the dark suburban street. 260 00:16:52,407 --> 00:16:55,727 Speaker 2: The driver stops outside one of the houses and turns 261 00:16:55,767 --> 00:17:01,207 Speaker 2: the car's headlights off. Inside, Alie Mtammed is getting started 262 00:17:01,247 --> 00:17:05,087 Speaker 2: with his day. Usually he leaves his house a quarter 263 00:17:05,167 --> 00:17:09,327 Speaker 2: to seven, but today he has a job nearby, so 264 00:17:09,367 --> 00:17:13,087 Speaker 2: he leaves later at eight thirty am. At about eight am, 265 00:17:13,327 --> 00:17:15,767 Speaker 2: the driver of the BMW turns the car back and 266 00:17:15,887 --> 00:17:22,047 Speaker 2: leaves the street. A few days later, Monday, December fourteenth, 267 00:17:22,487 --> 00:17:27,087 Speaker 2: the BMW arrives again at around quarter past six. It's 268 00:17:27,127 --> 00:17:29,807 Speaker 2: a regular work day, and Mohammed walks out of his 269 00:17:29,807 --> 00:17:32,927 Speaker 2: front door a little before seven. A neighbor is also 270 00:17:33,047 --> 00:17:35,687 Speaker 2: leaving their house at the same time, and the driver 271 00:17:35,767 --> 00:17:43,327 Speaker 2: of the BMW spots him and Muhammed and drives off. Tuesday, 272 00:17:43,447 --> 00:17:48,967 Speaker 2: December fifteenth, the BMW appears at six o'clock. Mohammed's wife 273 00:17:49,087 --> 00:17:51,607 Speaker 2: and teenage son are asleep upstairs as he steps out 274 00:17:51,647 --> 00:17:54,807 Speaker 2: of his house and shuts the front door. That is 275 00:17:54,887 --> 00:18:00,687 Speaker 2: dark outside. No neighbors around this morning. As the electrician 276 00:18:00,727 --> 00:18:03,327 Speaker 2: walks towards his van, a man walks up behind him 277 00:18:03,487 --> 00:18:06,327 Speaker 2: and shoots him in the head. Mahammed slumps to the 278 00:18:06,367 --> 00:18:09,527 Speaker 2: ground and the shooter gets back in his BMW car 279 00:18:09,527 --> 00:18:10,127 Speaker 2: speeds off. 280 00:18:14,687 --> 00:18:18,007 Speaker 5: They hit him directly left with the car I think, 281 00:18:18,207 --> 00:18:23,087 Speaker 5: if I remember correctly, BMW five. They went to the 282 00:18:23,127 --> 00:18:27,007 Speaker 5: specific spot in another part of Olmer, burned the car 283 00:18:27,207 --> 00:18:27,727 Speaker 5: and they leave. 284 00:18:28,727 --> 00:18:31,807 Speaker 2: The BMW was found burned out a few miles away 285 00:18:32,327 --> 00:18:34,647 Speaker 2: and witnesses saw two men walking off. 286 00:18:35,367 --> 00:18:39,247 Speaker 5: There's all the signs of professionals in the criminal circuit, 287 00:18:40,167 --> 00:18:42,487 Speaker 5: so that made it even more strange, like, okay, this 288 00:18:42,527 --> 00:18:45,927 Speaker 5: is really professional, and still we don't have any idea 289 00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:48,007 Speaker 5: why who. 290 00:18:50,487 --> 00:18:53,007 Speaker 2: This is the point that I started to see the 291 00:18:53,007 --> 00:18:56,487 Speaker 2: first flicker to realize what a murder in a small 292 00:18:56,567 --> 00:19:00,167 Speaker 2: Dutch town could have to do with the supercartel and 293 00:19:00,287 --> 00:19:03,247 Speaker 2: what that could mean. Because Paul has kept on digging 294 00:19:03,567 --> 00:19:05,927 Speaker 2: and he's made an unbelievable discovery. 295 00:19:06,487 --> 00:19:09,487 Speaker 5: And I remember reading it and I think think it 296 00:19:09,527 --> 00:19:13,767 Speaker 5: was on a sunny Monday morning, and I immediately I knew. 297 00:19:14,287 --> 00:19:16,527 Speaker 5: I felt in all my body, I know, wow, this 298 00:19:16,767 --> 00:19:18,367 Speaker 5: is crazy. 299 00:19:19,647 --> 00:19:23,487 Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, Paul breaks a big story and it's 300 00:19:23,527 --> 00:19:27,167 Speaker 2: not about the murderers, it's about the victim. 301 00:19:27,567 --> 00:19:30,767 Speaker 3: I found out that Ali Motamet was not Ali mota Met, 302 00:19:30,887 --> 00:19:35,247 Speaker 3: the electrician. He was an electrician, yes, but he lived 303 00:19:35,287 --> 00:19:38,007 Speaker 3: in Holland with a false identity. 304 00:19:40,007 --> 00:19:45,007 Speaker 2: Ali Matamid was, in reality and assumed identity the electrician 305 00:19:45,007 --> 00:19:48,007 Speaker 2: from our mayor had been living a secret life, one 306 00:19:48,127 --> 00:19:51,167 Speaker 2: so secret that even some members of his own family 307 00:19:51,287 --> 00:19:52,527 Speaker 2: didn't know who he really was. 308 00:19:53,727 --> 00:19:58,127 Speaker 3: Ali Motamet was Mohammed Reza colahis so mandy and when 309 00:19:58,127 --> 00:20:00,767 Speaker 3: he was twenty three years old, he plays the bomb 310 00:20:01,007 --> 00:20:06,727 Speaker 3: which blew up seventy four people of the Islamic Republican 311 00:20:06,767 --> 00:20:07,727 Speaker 3: Party in Iran. 312 00:20:10,087 --> 00:20:15,967 Speaker 5: This happened in my city, quite close to where I live, 313 00:20:17,127 --> 00:20:21,367 Speaker 5: and probably the regime, you know, the whole reason I'm 314 00:20:21,407 --> 00:20:27,087 Speaker 5: in Holland. They were able to find someone who they 315 00:20:27,127 --> 00:20:30,847 Speaker 5: were looking for for like at that time, like thirty 316 00:20:30,887 --> 00:20:36,287 Speaker 5: five years, who was like one of their prime targets 317 00:20:36,327 --> 00:20:41,287 Speaker 5: because they wanted to revenge My dad always wanted me. 318 00:20:41,967 --> 00:20:46,687 Speaker 5: They're dangerous, you know, they found him. These are not 319 00:20:47,167 --> 00:20:49,687 Speaker 5: bedtime stories. This is getting real. 320 00:21:07,287 --> 00:21:11,047 Speaker 2: Sometimes you get a glimpse of something, the edge of 321 00:21:11,087 --> 00:21:13,887 Speaker 2: what seems like it might be a much bigger story, 322 00:21:14,447 --> 00:21:16,967 Speaker 2: and it leads you into a whole new place, a 323 00:21:16,967 --> 00:21:19,807 Speaker 2: place where you're not quite sure what's going on, and 324 00:21:19,847 --> 00:21:23,247 Speaker 2: it's hard to know even where to start. That's where 325 00:21:23,247 --> 00:21:26,447 Speaker 2: Paul finds himself after he learns about Ali Mtummit's past. 326 00:21:27,567 --> 00:21:31,367 Speaker 3: I had no sources at all in Iran. I had 327 00:21:31,407 --> 00:21:34,687 Speaker 3: no sources at all in geopolitical world. 328 00:21:35,967 --> 00:21:38,607 Speaker 2: This clearly isn't a local murder case in a small 329 00:21:38,607 --> 00:21:41,967 Speaker 2: town anymore. Paul has been pulled into what looks like 330 00:21:42,047 --> 00:21:45,847 Speaker 2: a targeted assassination plot in the heart of Europe, but 331 00:21:45,887 --> 00:21:50,727 Speaker 2: he doesn't have any proof, just a strong theory. Ulusa 332 00:21:50,847 --> 00:21:53,647 Speaker 2: is looking for answers too. He posts online about the 333 00:21:53,687 --> 00:21:57,127 Speaker 2: case and wonders does anyone know more about Matammad or 334 00:21:57,287 --> 00:22:01,167 Speaker 2: how the Iranian regime might have found him? And Ulasa's 335 00:22:01,207 --> 00:22:03,287 Speaker 2: posts they catch Paul's attention. 336 00:22:04,167 --> 00:22:08,327 Speaker 5: Paul called me, I saw your questions. Let's talk. 337 00:22:09,087 --> 00:22:12,367 Speaker 3: I broke the story. Ulus Elian and I met in 338 00:22:12,447 --> 00:22:15,967 Speaker 3: our mea, had coffee and we tried to make plans 339 00:22:16,007 --> 00:22:19,207 Speaker 3: to find the missing pieces of the puzzle. How can 340 00:22:19,287 --> 00:22:22,567 Speaker 3: we get more insight in the backgrounds. 341 00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:26,647 Speaker 2: Of this Aul? The man his neighbors knew as Alimtomid 342 00:22:26,687 --> 00:22:29,807 Speaker 2: moved to the Netherlands in nineteen eighty five, he wouldn't 343 00:22:29,807 --> 00:22:32,327 Speaker 2: have particularly stood out. It was a time when many 344 00:22:32,327 --> 00:22:36,527 Speaker 2: Iranians were fleeing Iran, just like Ulyssa's father. But Ali 345 00:22:36,567 --> 00:22:40,927 Speaker 2: Mtommid wasn't just fleeing. He was hiding. He was accused 346 00:22:40,927 --> 00:22:45,967 Speaker 2: of carrying out the biggest terrorist attack in modern Iranian history. 347 00:22:46,007 --> 00:22:49,167 Speaker 2: This is a big deal, this bombing in nineteen eighty one. 348 00:22:49,567 --> 00:22:53,567 Speaker 2: It killed a senior Iotola, four cabinet ministers, and reportedly 349 00:22:53,647 --> 00:22:57,847 Speaker 2: dozens of other top Iranian officials. Matamid fled Iran after 350 00:22:57,887 --> 00:23:00,807 Speaker 2: the bombing, but was found guilty in absentia and sentenced 351 00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:04,367 Speaker 2: to death. We don't know much about his years in 352 00:23:04,407 --> 00:23:06,927 Speaker 2: the Netherlands, but we do know that he adopted a 353 00:23:06,967 --> 00:23:10,607 Speaker 2: new identity and built a new life. He married a 354 00:23:10,647 --> 00:23:13,567 Speaker 2: woman who was originally from Afghanistan. They had a son, 355 00:23:14,087 --> 00:23:16,487 Speaker 2: and Matammed got a job at the local electric company. 356 00:23:17,727 --> 00:23:21,247 Speaker 2: For years, he led a simple suburban life. He went 357 00:23:21,287 --> 00:23:24,087 Speaker 2: to work at the same time most days. His neighbors 358 00:23:24,127 --> 00:23:27,967 Speaker 2: thought of him as punctual, trustworthy. No one really knew 359 00:23:28,047 --> 00:23:32,047 Speaker 2: much more about him, but secretly, Mahamed knew that the 360 00:23:32,047 --> 00:23:35,167 Speaker 2: Iranian regime was still looking for him, so he was 361 00:23:35,207 --> 00:23:39,887 Speaker 2: incredibly careful. Reportedly, he didn't even tell his wife his 362 00:23:39,967 --> 00:23:43,927 Speaker 2: true identity until a few years before his death, and 363 00:23:43,967 --> 00:23:48,607 Speaker 2: his son had no idea about Mtummed's past. I keep 364 00:23:48,647 --> 00:23:51,927 Speaker 2: thinking about the loneliness and the isolation of someone who's 365 00:23:51,927 --> 00:23:54,287 Speaker 2: bearing this huge secret from the people in their life 366 00:23:54,327 --> 00:23:57,727 Speaker 2: who they're closest to, someone who spent almost his entire 367 00:23:57,807 --> 00:24:00,447 Speaker 2: adulthood trying to stay one step ahead of people he 368 00:24:00,527 --> 00:24:03,887 Speaker 2: knew were trying to kill him. Mahammed was careful to 369 00:24:03,927 --> 00:24:07,567 Speaker 2: avoid his photograph appearing on social media, but not long 370 00:24:07,607 --> 00:24:11,207 Speaker 2: before his murder he seemed to slipped up. A single 371 00:24:11,247 --> 00:24:14,327 Speaker 2: photograph of him went up on Facebook celebrating his teenage 372 00:24:14,327 --> 00:24:19,007 Speaker 2: son's high school graduation, and months later a BMW pulled 373 00:24:19,087 --> 00:24:25,367 Speaker 2: up outside his house early in the morning. So this 374 00:24:25,407 --> 00:24:27,807 Speaker 2: is a story I've been told to look at the 375 00:24:27,887 --> 00:24:31,247 Speaker 2: murder of a man living a secret life, a man 376 00:24:31,287 --> 00:24:35,887 Speaker 2: on the run from a powerful regime. At this point, 377 00:24:36,367 --> 00:24:39,127 Speaker 2: I can't see the connection between this murder and the 378 00:24:39,167 --> 00:24:44,447 Speaker 2: Dubai supercartel. But then a few months later, something happens 379 00:24:44,487 --> 00:24:47,127 Speaker 2: that takes us one step closer to understanding how all 380 00:24:47,207 --> 00:24:52,527 Speaker 2: of this works. In April twenty sixteen, two Irish detectives 381 00:24:52,647 --> 00:24:55,887 Speaker 2: arrive at a residential address not far from Dublin City Center. 382 00:24:57,087 --> 00:24:59,167 Speaker 2: They have a search warren because they've heard that an 383 00:24:59,167 --> 00:25:01,807 Speaker 2: apartment in this building is being used as a safehouse 384 00:25:02,047 --> 00:25:06,647 Speaker 2: by Ireland's most powerful and dangerous criminal organization. But inside 385 00:25:06,927 --> 00:25:10,687 Speaker 2: there are no irishmen. Instead, the officers find a short 386 00:25:10,727 --> 00:25:13,727 Speaker 2: man with a large belly who speaks only broken English. 387 00:25:14,727 --> 00:25:17,927 Speaker 2: It's clear the man is rich. He's wearing bright blue 388 00:25:17,967 --> 00:25:22,607 Speaker 2: designer sneakers covered in studs. When the detectives search the flat, 389 00:25:22,647 --> 00:25:26,327 Speaker 2: they find thirteen thousand euros in cash and two Rolex watches. 390 00:25:27,527 --> 00:25:31,527 Speaker 2: What's less clear is his identity. He has two different IDs, 391 00:25:31,927 --> 00:25:35,287 Speaker 2: one Dutch one Belgian, each with a different name. 392 00:25:37,247 --> 00:25:40,327 Speaker 4: I remember the morning on which he was arrested and 393 00:25:40,367 --> 00:25:43,647 Speaker 4: I can tell you nobody knew who he was. Shamus 394 00:25:43,647 --> 00:25:47,287 Speaker 4: Boland is Detective Chief Superintendent in the Irish Police Force. 395 00:25:47,607 --> 00:25:50,967 Speaker 4: His officers raided the apartment that day. He was arrested 396 00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:55,207 Speaker 4: for a possession of false documents and there was no 397 00:25:55,367 --> 00:25:57,327 Speaker 4: certainty abode his identity at all. 398 00:25:58,207 --> 00:26:00,487 Speaker 2: The police take him to the station and send his 399 00:26:00,487 --> 00:26:03,967 Speaker 2: fingerprints and photo off to law enforcement agencies around the world. 400 00:26:04,847 --> 00:26:10,087 Speaker 4: It's following his arrest and US issuing a an assistants 401 00:26:10,167 --> 00:26:14,327 Speaker 4: request across Europe that within a number of errors, the 402 00:26:14,807 --> 00:26:17,687 Speaker 4: Dutch police were in touch with us and they identified 403 00:26:17,727 --> 00:26:22,247 Speaker 4: him from the photographs and fingerprints immediately, and senior Dutch 404 00:26:22,287 --> 00:26:25,047 Speaker 4: police officers bordered the plane immediately and flew to Dublin. 405 00:26:26,967 --> 00:26:30,367 Speaker 2: The Dutch police know who the man is, so does 406 00:26:30,407 --> 00:26:30,967 Speaker 2: Paul Vooks. 407 00:26:31,607 --> 00:26:34,887 Speaker 3: He was very well known and notorious in the Amsterdam 408 00:26:34,967 --> 00:26:35,727 Speaker 3: crime scene. 409 00:26:36,487 --> 00:26:39,767 Speaker 2: His name is now for Fassy and Paul calls him 410 00:26:39,767 --> 00:26:44,487 Speaker 2: by his nickname. He's wanted for a string of drug 411 00:26:44,487 --> 00:26:45,367 Speaker 2: related murders. 412 00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:50,847 Speaker 3: He was seen as a guy would do anything for money, 413 00:26:51,167 --> 00:26:54,367 Speaker 3: who would be able to do very serious crimes without 414 00:26:54,447 --> 00:26:55,287 Speaker 3: blinking his eyes. 415 00:26:56,407 --> 00:26:59,567 Speaker 2: Paul doesn't know it yet and noted the police. But 416 00:26:59,687 --> 00:27:03,247 Speaker 2: the man who sent two assassins to murder Alimtamid, it 417 00:27:03,367 --> 00:27:06,967 Speaker 2: was no for not as a murder broker, he can 418 00:27:07,047 --> 00:27:10,247 Speaker 2: arrange the killing of anyone anywhere with just a couple 419 00:27:10,247 --> 00:27:13,927 Speaker 2: of messages sent from his phone. And the people hiding 420 00:27:13,967 --> 00:27:17,927 Speaker 2: the murder broker in their Dublin safehouse, Seamus knows exactly 421 00:27:18,007 --> 00:27:18,607 Speaker 2: who they are. 422 00:27:19,687 --> 00:27:23,007 Speaker 4: That organized crime group has been the primary group for 423 00:27:23,247 --> 00:27:26,527 Speaker 4: the last twenty twenty five years that built the networks 424 00:27:26,567 --> 00:27:30,127 Speaker 4: supplying drugs and firearms of this jurisdiction without a dot. 425 00:27:32,447 --> 00:27:35,647 Speaker 2: That organized crime group, the people who are hiding the 426 00:27:35,727 --> 00:27:38,527 Speaker 2: murder broker in their safe house. They're at the heart 427 00:27:38,567 --> 00:27:42,127 Speaker 2: of the supercartel. They're the men who gathered that day 428 00:27:42,247 --> 00:27:45,727 Speaker 2: for the wedding in the luxury hotel in Dubai. But 429 00:27:45,767 --> 00:27:49,487 Speaker 2: if Ulasa is right, this isn't just a murder, This 430 00:27:49,647 --> 00:27:53,607 Speaker 2: is a state sponsored assassination and it raises a big question. 431 00:27:54,927 --> 00:28:00,087 Speaker 3: What is the link between Nooful, the broker and Irang. 432 00:28:02,127 --> 00:28:05,527 Speaker 2: Why would a hit man working with top cocaine traffickers 433 00:28:06,047 --> 00:28:10,567 Speaker 2: murder someone apparently on behalf of a government And if 434 00:28:10,567 --> 00:28:13,407 Speaker 2: that's what happened, what does that tell us about the 435 00:28:13,447 --> 00:28:19,047 Speaker 2: transformation of international organized crime? To find out, We're going 436 00:28:19,087 --> 00:28:22,527 Speaker 2: to Ireland to talk to someone who's been following the 437 00:28:22,567 --> 00:28:26,127 Speaker 2: family at the heart of the supercartel From the very start. 438 00:28:27,567 --> 00:28:32,287 Speaker 6: You don't know if somebody behind that door has a gun. 439 00:28:32,887 --> 00:28:36,247 Speaker 6: The adrenaline is flowing, you know, your heart is racing. 440 00:28:37,207 --> 00:28:38,367 Speaker 6: Anything could go wrong. 441 00:28:56,487 --> 00:28:58,967 Speaker 2: Hot Money is a production of The Financial Times and 442 00:28:59,007 --> 00:29:02,367 Speaker 2: Pushkin Industries. It was written and reported by me Miles 443 00:29:02,447 --> 00:29:05,007 Speaker 2: Johnson and if you've got any leads or information about 444 00:29:05,047 --> 00:29:08,047 Speaker 2: this story, you can email me at new narcos ft 445 00:29:08,327 --> 00:29:12,727 Speaker 2: dot com. The series producer is Peggy Sutton. 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