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Speaker 1: All right, it's another episode of splash Hit. Susan Slusser

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Speaker 1: joining me today. Susan, my Hurricanes lost last night in

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Speaker 1: a thriller in the National Championship game. We're back, but

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of bummed today, so maybe you can lift

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Speaker 1: my spirits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sad. I had an eye on that just

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Speaker 2: bit just I was rooting for Miami for you, my friend,

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Speaker 2: and after the first half, I was kind of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: oh gosh, they made a game out of it. So

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Speaker 2: you got that. And they were playing obviously a team

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Speaker 2: that came out of nowhere to be freaking great. So

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Speaker 2: that's nice. And you are now a member of the

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Speaker 2: Sacramento Baseball Hall of Fame, which is an outstanding hall

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Speaker 2: of fame that Sacramento has such a rich baseball history.

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Speaker 2: I'm very very happy for you. That is quite an honor.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you, Susan.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody at the LaSalle Club in

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Speaker 1: the Sacramento Baseball Hall of Fame for.

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Speaker 3: Just running out a name basically and.

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Speaker 1: Allowing me to be in it. What a great honor.

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Speaker 1: It was a great night for my family and me

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Speaker 1: and we had a blast. So I'm a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Famer now and you're not, and that's just too bad.

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Speaker 3: And I can't even talk to the little people are

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Speaker 3: by the way, by the way, before we get going.

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Speaker 1: You're going to be in the real Hall of Fame someday,

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Speaker 1: so that's going to be fun for all of us.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait till that happens. Stop.

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Speaker 2: That's very nice of you. Maybe same thing run out

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Speaker 2: of they'll run out of names.

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Speaker 3: So it was fun. And I went last.

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Speaker 1: So there were a lot of speeches, ten people inducted,

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Speaker 1: and it took a long time. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: it was really cool. Send us your mail bag questions.

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Speaker 1: These are our favorite shows. I mean, we have guests

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Speaker 1: that are fantastic. Susan's always fantastic when she can join me.

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Speaker 1: But we want to read your questions. We love your comments,

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Speaker 1: some of them, most of them.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Last one I was getting from my trip on the

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Speaker 1: plane and I probably said some things that pissed lot

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Speaker 1: of giants fans off, but whatever, that's how these things go.

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Speaker 1: So send us you question since we want to get

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Speaker 1: to a mailbag show, and we read them and we

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Speaker 1: cherish the fact that you guys watched this, so it's

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Speaker 1: really cool. So we want to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about Tony Vitello today.

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Speaker 3: He was at the San Jose Maanfest deal.

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Speaker 1: I was in Sacramento doing my thing, but Susan actually

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Speaker 1: went there. So Susan Tony Vitello, the questioning, the thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of things I want to get.

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Speaker 1: To and I'm going to have you, like you used

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Speaker 1: to be a guest on CAMBR, I'm going to ask

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Speaker 1: you questions today. So you know, what do you think

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Speaker 1: about Tony Vitello not announcing his coaching staff officially yet?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, that's one of the first questions

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Speaker 2: we asked. It's one of the first questions we ask

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Speaker 2: any time we run into any Giants official or any

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Speaker 2: of the wonderful media relations staff, when is the coaching

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Speaker 2: Because the names are all out there. We've reported all

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Speaker 2: of the names. I think between all of the beat writers,

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Speaker 2: we've gotten everyone who's on this staff, and certainly everyone

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Speaker 2: knows the biggies. You know, you're on Washington, so et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Frank Anderson, which very interesting. I'm eager to hear what

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Speaker 2: his role is going to be. But when I asked

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Speaker 2: which is I think that's fine, but I don't understand

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with especially since most of these guys

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Speaker 2: since the winter meetings because there have been no new

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Speaker 2: if you add somebody, nobody's going to go like wait, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: You've already announced the coaching staff. It's not a you know,

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Speaker 2: there is no twenty six man Robster or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: You don't know the answer on the IL.

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Speaker 3: I think I know the answer to this.

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Speaker 1: I think they're looking for a bench coach, and I

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Speaker 1: So then you make some title up for Jase, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know who that name is. I've heard some names.

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Speaker 1: I heard David Ross through the grapevine. You've reached out

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Speaker 3: Not getting any confirmation. Yeah, and so would be great,

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Speaker 1: I think I just want to be around the guy

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Speaker 1: and talk about dancing with the stars. But he is

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Speaker 1: a wonderful guy and that that would be a good selection.

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Speaker 3: But so, I think that might be what's going on

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they're just waiting not to name roles because

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Speaker 1: I think there's there's still somebody out there that's coming

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with announcing it and

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Speaker 2: then then Naddy. I think that's totally fine. Does from

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Speaker 2: a players perspective, FP, does it matter at all? I mean,

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Speaker 2: you already know who's going to be there who's not

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Speaker 2: a late ad. I don't know would that affect anything

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Speaker 1: I want to know who my hitting coach is because

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Speaker 1: that's how I'm gonna be working with every day. And

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Speaker 1: if I'm a picture, I want to know who my

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Speaker 1: pitching coaches, and I already know who my manager is,

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Speaker 1: and I just hope you get a bunch of cool

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Speaker 1: dudes that are fun to be around, that know little

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Speaker 3: I want to hear his philosophies.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear if we speak the same love

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Speaker 1: language or if this is going to be hard, Like

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Speaker 1: I had hitting coaches along the way Susan at the

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Speaker 1: highest level where they might as well have been speaking

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Speaker 1: Japanese to me because it just didn't compute with my

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Speaker 1: that you find somebody that you can mess with. Same

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Speaker 3: So those are the most important.

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Speaker 1: Also on washing obviously with defense. But I just want

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Speaker 2: Well, I will say one thing from FanFest I was

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Speaker 2: about Tony Vaitello. He was very excited about about finally

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Speaker 2: There was a Q and a from the stage, and uh,

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Speaker 2: that was very well received. So I went around afterwards

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Speaker 2: all said they were a little bit concerned when the fire,

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Speaker 2: when the hiring first happened. A guy coming from college,

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Speaker 2: And every single person said they were really excited after

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Speaker 2: hearing him talk. And that seems to be the general

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Speaker 2: impression almost everyone has right after talking to Tony Vitello,

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Speaker 2: is he sort of seems to stir something up, you know,

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Speaker 2: he gets people going. And I did love what he

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Speaker 2: about the fans and the fans that he was like like,

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Speaker 2: look this is look how great this is all these

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Speaker 2: I got to say that was Saturday. There were a

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Speaker 2: a little hell this year. So I like that. But

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Speaker 2: he got everyone fired up pretty quickly. So that's the

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Speaker 2: effect he has on people.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's great, but he has hopefully has that effect

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Speaker 1: if you have a guy that's good with the media,

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Speaker 1: As far as the raising little hell, I've heard like

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned it on here a few times. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a good thing. You're not out there to make friends.

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Speaker 1: You're out there to beat someone's ass, and you're not.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't care if you offend them by your enthusiasm

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Speaker 1: and your love and your passion for the game, and

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Speaker 1: you know the way that the game has evolved in

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was just in Fantasy camp with Jeffrey Leonard one

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Speaker 1: Flap Down, and he told me the story of how

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Speaker 1: this whole thing evolved. He used to high five his

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Speaker 1: first basemen on home runs and his first base coach,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, on home runs, and his first base coach

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Speaker 1: was back playing one the name I can't remember it,

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Speaker 1: and then Mike Kruko told him that was awesome to

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Speaker 1: keep doing that. So that's how One Flap Down started.

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Speaker 1: And I told Hack at Fantasy camp, I said, dude,

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Speaker 1: that's nothing compared to what goes on today's game. But

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Speaker 1: apparently One Flap Down in the eighties pissed off a

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Speaker 1: lot of opponents. But back to the initial point, I

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Speaker 1: this year, and I hope they have that attitude. I

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Speaker 1: hope they raise a little hell, and I hope our

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Speaker 1: fans raise a little hell, that's great.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think it's a secret. Buster has said

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Speaker 2: chit chatting with former teammates and buddies from college, that

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Speaker 2: he is not on board with that. He is like, basically,

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Speaker 2: do that after the game, do that on your own time.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be friends with opponents. That's just

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Speaker 2: not what we're here to do. But I think you

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Speaker 2: and I need to take care of a little business here,

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Speaker 2: don't we play the commercial?

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Speaker 4: actually is still one sale that is running until the

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Speaker 4: end of the month. Midmobile, they still have their fifty

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Speaker 3: All right, good stuff.

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Speaker 1: So there's two things we used to yell from the

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm you know all that all that?

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Speaker 3: You, they would have kept you. We'd scream that real

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Speaker 1: So I get what Buster's saying, but the game has

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think fans kind of like that too.

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Speaker 1: I think fans want to see, I know, speaking for myself,

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Speaker 3: I like to see chippiness.

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Speaker 1: I like to see I don't want those guys to

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Speaker 3: Stand the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: I don't want my players to just stand the Dodgers

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Speaker 3: So I get where Busters coming from on.

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Speaker 2: That one hundred percent. Look, I'm a neutral observer. I'm

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Speaker 2: it's it's competition, you know, as a fan of other

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Speaker 2: I don't want Liverpool guys hugging Manchester City guys before games.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I would be outraged. So yeah, well, Buster's right,

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Speaker 3: Will He's too nice?

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that will always be part

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Speaker 2: after the season ended. He's good to go. Casey Schmidt

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Speaker 2: you know, you can explain FB better than I can,

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Speaker 2: like a complete season healthy with two good risks could

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Speaker 1: So yeah, very important for both of them, Mike. If

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Speaker 1: And I asked him if, I said, have you met Ovi?

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Speaker 3: But you know, so you said that Bryce said he

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So I asked how his defense's work is

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Speaker 2: coming along. Look, I don't think he's going to spend

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Speaker 2: you know, hey, down the road maybe yeah, Hey, there

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Speaker 2: was that one year, was it? Deadman Kaevich, who essentially

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Speaker 2: second base when Mark Ellis had not made an error

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Speaker 2: And you've talked so many times on this about how

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Speaker 2: you know, I think Devers and I as a duo

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Speaker 2: But Vytello was also really interesting. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 2: He said he's still he's still getting over that. But

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Speaker 1: You don't want the Bill and Ted's excellent adventures save

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Speaker 1: have to ask Ryan Walker. This is all assumption based

437
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Speaker 1: on experience, and it just it got hard for Giants

438
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 1: fans and the guys will never say it in the

439
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: clubhouse because he's such a nice guy. All those blown

440
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 1: saves they might have made the playoffs last year, not

441
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 1: all on him by any means. There's a lot of

442
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: home stance that weren't very good, but I think I

443
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: think that's a position of.

444
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 3: Concern for the Giants. With Randy Rodriguez out and who's

445
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Speaker 3: going to be your closer?

446
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: You just are you just gonna have ham An Eggett

447
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 1: or is there somebody out there that's going to step up.

448
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: I like the looks of Joelle Pigero near the end

449
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: of the season, and I don't know if he's a closer,

450
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: but he showed some filthy stuff. I've got it. Well.

451
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: First of all, I need to say this, every baseball

452
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: writer in the country will agree with me. We do

453
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: not like a seat of their pants closer who's keeping

454
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: you on that edge all the time either. We don't like.

455
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: The last thing any of us needs is a late

456
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: change in even just the score, but certainly not the outcome.

457
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, nice, steady, boring closer is fantastic. But I'm

458
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Speaker 2: going to go on a little rant, completely unplanned something

459
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 2: that you said, like what I hated. I hate the

460
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: new the lights and the big intro for closers, And yeah,

461
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 2: a few guys can do it and are worthy of it.

462
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: You know, you're Rivera's et cetera. You're Trevor Hoffman's everybody's

463
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 2: got the walk up. But the lights and stuff. First

464
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Speaker 2: of all, I mean, we learned it's even a safety hazard,

465
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Speaker 2: but uh, Ryan Walker is not a guy that's going

466
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: to respond particularly well necessarily to something like that. Camilo

467
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: Dovall kind of went the opposite way, and when he

468
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: was used not in a closing situation, he said something

469
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,479
Speaker 2: and blew it, said some of the effect like I

470
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 2: need the lights, Like well, no, no, you don't. It's

471
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 2: a team Baseball is such a team game. And yes,

472
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 2: it's a one on one battle, it's such That's one

473
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 2: of the beauties of baseball is it's the one team

474
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 2: sport that is really actually a one on one sport.

475
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: But highlighting one guy when you got eight guys around

476
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: you is to me stupid. But also I'm not sure

477
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: it's good for everyone's psyche. I don't I don't think

478
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: it's a Ryan Walker is not going to look comfortable

479
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 2: coming in with like the lights and all of that.

480
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's only at home, but save it for

481
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: maybe your your Hall of Fame level type closers. I don't.

482
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Speaker 2: I don't like it. I don't like it.

483
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Speaker 1: Could not agree more with you, Like literally, that's one

484
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: of my pet peeves in baseball right now. Like if

485
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: you if you're established closure and you come into Timmy

486
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: Trumpet and your Diz, that's sick and that's Goosebump City,

487
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: and Mario and Rivera come into enter Sam Man or

488
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: Trevor Hoffman.

489
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Speaker 3: Hell's bells awesome.

490
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Speaker 1: I mean when I was what it was Jack Murphy

491
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Speaker 1: and all the towels are waving and Trevor would come in,

492
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 1: you'd fall into the trap of getting all lamped up

493
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: with Hell's bells and he'd throw that change up and

494
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: you'd be out in front.

495
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: It's part of his thing.

496
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Speaker 1: But now we're on the road and I'm not going

497
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: to say the name or the team, but somebody came

498
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: in that I didn't even know to like lights flashing

499
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: and fire and this and in the in the worst

500
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: song ever. And I'm not going to mention the song

501
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: or the player, just a terrible song. And then his

502
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: first pitch was ninety one. So Hobby Lopez and I

503
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: had a glass of wine after the.

504
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Speaker 5: Game and we were both concurring that was the stupidest

505
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 5: thing we had ever seen. So I'm not I don't

506
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 5: want to go down the road me this person or

507
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 5: the team, but it was ridiculous and we see it

508
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 5: all the time on the road because Hobby and I

509
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 5: do mostly road games that people we don't know come

510
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 5: out of the bullpen to lights and music and spotlights.

511
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 5: And then here's the thing, And this is taking a

512
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 5: little too far. This is probably get off my long

513
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 5: kind of thing. But as a hitter, if I'm in

514
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 5: the on deck circle and you turn off the lights,

515
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 5: have you ever walked out of a movie theater and

516
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 5: it's bright, like your eyes dilate when the lights are off,

517
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 5: and now.

518
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: I and here comes the lights again. I've never heard

519
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: anybody complain about it, but that I think about that

520
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: all the time, Like I'm going to be in the

521
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: on deck circle in the dark, and now I got

522
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: to go hit in the light.

523
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 3: But I guess the defenders have to do it too.

524
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: I mean, and you're boxing yourself into a corner where

525
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: you kind of then have to use it for everybody,

526
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 2: And you're right, you got the guy coming into close

527
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 2: just like a spot clothes. Are you gonna turn on

528
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: the lights? Like what do we do? Just because you

529
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: can do a little like fun light thing with the ribbons,

530
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: and don't you don't have to. I also have friends

531
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: who have a BLESPS like light induced epilepsy. Nobody. I mean,

532
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: it's just not worth it. I'm sorry I sound so old,

533
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: but I really just don't.

534
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: I bet it's not a lot of people. I bet

535
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that agree with you.

536
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, I know it's part of the it's the

537
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, and you want to like do something for

538
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: the fans and get them into it. A lot of

539
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: times it gets your closer into it so much that

540
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: he seizes up too.

541
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,239
Speaker 3: So all right, well, is there anything else we're going

542
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: to cover it?

543
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we started, Yeah, we started off talking about

544
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 2: the Sacramento Baseball Hall of Fame. But today and this

545
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: is yes, a lot of people are going to be

546
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: listening to this show or watching the show after the announcement.

547
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: But it's pretty clear. I think we can probably assume

548
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: that Carlos Beltron will be getting in and always sort

549
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: of a controversial people. Sometimes people even forget he was

550
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: with the Giants Raja minute in twenty eleven, and it's

551
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: not a time that was remembered well by Giants fans,

552
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: even though we actually performed pretty well. I looked up

553
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: the numbers today, three twenty three seven homers in forty

554
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: four games. The Giants essentially paid nothing. The Mets picked

555
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: up almost everything. Hall of Fame level player. But FPD,

556
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: you want to provide the bad news from from that trade, sack. Yeah,

557
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: that's a tough one.

558
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: He's a great Met, great Philly, great big league pitcher.

559
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: That's a risky take, though, if you're Brian Sabian, right,

560
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: And that's a that's a risk everybody takes of getting

561
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: a rental player for what could turn out to be.

562
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: A really good big league player.

563
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: So, yeah, Zach Wheeler was a prospect at the time,

564
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: and it turned out to have a big league career,

565
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: a great big league career. And then obviously, so Beltron's

566
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: the only one going Susan I hot take.

567
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: Here, there's my battle.

568
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: I really don't. I really don't pay attention to the

569
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame until Barry Bonds gets in. I really don't.

570
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've we've tucked that one an awful lot. But look,

571
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: bel tro I voted for bel Tromp, as you can

572
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: see there. Yeah, there's my ballot. There's that. I vote

573
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: for Manny, I vote for a Rod I understand why

574
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: a lot of people have problems with those kind of votes.

575
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: Beltron is going to get in. He's obviously was part

576
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: of the whole trash can banging with the Astros, which

577
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to argue is just as uh unsporting as

578
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: taking steroids.

579
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: Can you go back? Could you ever produce your Yeah?

580
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I.

581
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: Want to see that again. Okay, So Andrew Jones, I

582
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: can't argue with that.

583
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: No, he probably doesn't.

584
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: The best center fielder I ever saw. He played right

585
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: behind second base.

586
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: You did a line drive over Greg Maddox had He's

587
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: standing right there. He played so shallows but still got

588
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: to the deep ball. Bobby Bray, You I mean, great player,

589
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: great player. I don't know.

590
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: Andy Pettitt, he's got the postseason resume. A Rod very controversial.

591
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: That is a controversial vote. I'm not going to lie

592
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: to you about that one. Francisco, Francisco Rodriguez, Jimmy Rollins, Chase.

593
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 3: Uttley all really good? Are they? Hall of Favors? Oh?

594
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 3: I don't know. And then I have something on my

595
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: screen that I can't see the bottom of it right now.

596
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: But anyways, go back and explain to me again about

597
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: a Rod, because I think that's the one on this

598
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: podcast that's going to get everybody's attention.

599
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Arod and Manny, I mean, and I understand why

600
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: people are. People don't like the fact that they pop

601
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: for stories after testing began. Absolutely valid. My stance on

602
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. And we've talked about this when

603
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: I've talked about Bonds and Clements is this era is

604
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: grossly underrepresented. I was just on Big Fel Territoria talking

605
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: about this, and the best players from this era are

606
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: not going in. Bonds and Clements might never go in

607
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: based on some changes if the Hall of Fame has

608
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: made Obviously the Veterans Committee Eras Committee has not put

609
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: them in twice now and the same looks like it's

610
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: going to happen with Manny and a Rod. These are

611
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: the best players of the era. This is a Hall

612
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: of Fame. I used to do the whole not vote

613
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: for Bonds and Clemmens. They're cheaters. It says character, character, character. Well,

614
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: there are definitely guys in there now, and you know

615
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: this FP who used performance enhancing substances at some point.

616
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: I think everyone's pretty aware of that. Beltron was part

617
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: of the astros cheating scandal. I don't know where you'd

618
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: draw the line when it comes to character, and I

619
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 2: want the era represented. I want the best players from

620
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: the era. And it's a hall of fame. The morality

621
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: Police could kind of you could go through a lot

622
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: of guys you know in there and say, well, this

623
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: guy did this, this guy did that. You know, personal lives.

624
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: People aren't all boy scouts in there. So I kind

625
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: of look, I feel like I'm trying to justify it

626
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: every time I talk about it. There's no right or

627
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: wrong answer here. I don't think there's no easy answer.

628
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: I just want the best players in and right now

629
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: that's not happening.

630
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: Well, I agree with you.

631
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: I think if you go to I think I've said

632
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: this on the podcast. I know I've said it on

633
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: KMBR that if you go to the Smithsonian Museum of

634
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: National History, that you go through it in the history

635
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: of the United States of America isn't all perfect.

636
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: It isn't all just great things that have happened.

637
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: They had the Vietnam War in there. They have all

638
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: these things that happened throughout the court slavery, all these

639
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: terrible things about our country in the museum. And I

640
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: think you don't tell the history, the story of the

641
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: history of baseball without having this in there.

642
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: And I feel like when it first came out, everybody's outrage,

643
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: oh steroids.

644
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: And now when you think about things and I talk

645
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: to people, I don't think it's that big a deal anymore.

646
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: I really don't.

647
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's right, but I just don't think

648
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: it has the like shock and all value that it

649
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: had when it first came.

650
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: Out with a Mitchell report and all the things were

651
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: going on.

652
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: And I think it does have to tell the story.

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Speaker 1: And maybe you put something in on his plaque that

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Speaker 1: says was suspended.

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Speaker 3: For a year or whatever it was one hundred and.

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Speaker 1: Eighty games for doing steroids.

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Speaker 3: But then you put his numbers of a career. His

658
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Speaker 3: numbers are incredible. You've watched If.

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Speaker 1: You watch a Rod versus Alex on HBO, it kind

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Speaker 1: of paints this picture. And I'm saying paint because I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's true or not, that he's really

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Speaker 1: reformed his life, that he has remorse for what he

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Speaker 1: did and he was basically a jerk when he played,

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Speaker 1: and how he's realized the importance of being a good

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Speaker 1: human being, a good father.

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Speaker 3: And what he did was wrong, and he says it

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Speaker 3: was wrong, and.

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Speaker 1: It's not just it's not just bs like he gets

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Speaker 1: choked up a lot in this thing.

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Speaker 3: So you know, everybody makes mistakes.

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Speaker 1: But I just think it'd be horrible if Barry and

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Speaker 1: Roger and a Rod don't get into the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame because it's not telling the story of baseball.

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Speaker 3: It's just not telling the story. And people would go

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Speaker 3: to Cooper's down and be like, this guy did steroids.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't be in here. And that's okay to have

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Speaker 1: your personal opinion, but until Barry's in there, who is

678
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Speaker 1: the greatest player I ever saw, the greatest teammate I

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Speaker 1: ever had as far as performance on the field, and

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Speaker 1: he was good to me too. It's just not the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and it'll never be the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: And I will stick to that take until the day

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Speaker 1: I die. I'm sad that Pete Rose never got to

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Speaker 1: see himself in Cooperstown.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I had really good experiences, but with both

686
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Speaker 2: a Rod consistently and Manny Ramirez, and you talk about

687
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Speaker 2: Barry Bonds, Manny was very from from the right side.

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Speaker 2: He was the greatest right handed hitter. I've seen neither

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Speaker 2: one of them helped themselves though by in general, you know,

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Speaker 2: some A Rodd's you know, sometimes not not always being

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Speaker 2: the easiest to deal with, I think.

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Speaker 3: Or it too, he lied a lot about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And and Manny was, you know, could be pretty

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Speaker 2: off the wall, you know, and famously a little bit

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Speaker 2: I don't know, just a little goofy in the I

696
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: both of them, I like, I said, a Rod is

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00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: so smart talking about baseball. They both are. But a

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00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: Rod's obviously shown that in his broadcast career. I mean,

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Speaker 2: his his baseball knowledge, which he's happy to share and

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Speaker 2: was happy to share as a player. I think maybe

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Speaker 2: a little bit better with visiting beat writers, given my experience,

702
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Speaker 2: and with the beat writers sometimes the beat writers wear

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Speaker 2: you down, I guess. And Manny was he was with

704
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Speaker 2: the A's one spring and it was absolutely the end

705
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Speaker 2: of his career. Didn't wind up playing for them in

706
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: the big leagues at all. Obviously absolutely delayful, weird, incredibly weird,

707
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Speaker 2: but in a really in a really I thought charming

708
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: way friendly was great to the kids. So yeah, and

709
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: obviously the baseball baseball just look at the statistics. So

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, even if you're taking the stuff, you've

711
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: still got to put you know, I don't know. I

712
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: don't know where to weigh in on some of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's all guesswork, you know. Well, really, when it comes

714
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: down to it, who knows. Who knows what everybody was doing?

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Speaker 2: Even I lived, there have been guys that didn't get

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00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: popped even with the testing. Who you know, we're doing it?

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Speaker 1: And so you show me how many home runs Berry

718
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Speaker 1: hit off of guys on steroids because pictures, the word was,

719
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: would take it and not lift, but just the throwing

720
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: motion alone would increase their fastball.

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Speaker 3: So it's not like.

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Speaker 1: You're going to look out of the mount and go

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Speaker 1: that guy's jacked. He's on the jews. He just went

724
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: from ninety one to ninety eight in the off season

725
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Speaker 1: because of long toss and whatever he was doing.

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Speaker 3: So it was very rampant. It's more.

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Speaker 2: The astra scandal Belt's getting in today. That was awful.

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Speaker 2: Come on, So, I don't know, there's no boy scouts

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Speaker 2: in there. Well, there might be a couple of boy scouts,

730
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Speaker 2: but I don't know. You never know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think you have to tell the story

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Speaker 1: good or back do you have to tell the story,

733
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Speaker 1: just like the Spathcoldian Museum of National History.

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Speaker 3: All right, Susan, that's another show. That's a wrap.

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Speaker 2: Do we wait? Wait though, do we.

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Speaker 3: Have subscribers first? O?

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00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: Well, we definitely need We need subscribers, and we could

738
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Speaker 2: sell some merch.

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Speaker 3: Let's call you guys.

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00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: We need three hundred thousand subscribers, but we'll sell it

741
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: for three right now. So go to YouTube or wherever

742
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.

743
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: Like subscribe write nasty comments to me. I love it.

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00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of them have the last show.

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Speaker 1: There's people defending me, like, why are you guys crushing FP? Well,

746
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Speaker 1: I had some pretty strong takes and that's what this

747
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: is about. It's about voicing your opinions. And I love

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Speaker 1: I'm very nice to people that I got. I got

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Speaker 1: a bad habit of responding to bad ones, so I

750
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Speaker 1: need to start responding to good ones and maybe I

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Speaker 1: can fell on.

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Speaker 3: That's what I always.

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Speaker 2: At least like the good ones, but sometimes I respond

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Speaker 2: to them. That's same. I haven't been taking a quip

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Speaker 2: card quite as much. People hate my lighting. It's a

756
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: little better today, but I do. I do have the

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Speaker 2: basically the darkest.

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Speaker 3: Some guys said up Brod, and I said, yeah, you're

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Speaker 3: probably right, unless it's somebody I love. I really don't

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Speaker 3: care what anybody's opinion is.

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Speaker 2: Well, even the people that aren't always happy with us

762
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: should check out the I just did a big shopping

763
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 2: trip on the on our merch page to get stuff

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Speaker 2: for friends, family, all of that kind of stuff. So

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Speaker 2: some of these, A lot of these come in various

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Speaker 2: different colors too.

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Speaker 3: I learned while there's a lot of white, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of white ones. There's a white backpack. There's a

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Speaker 3: white sweatshirt that's sick. I think the white. The white

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Speaker 3: ones are sharp too. Another shirt.

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Speaker 2: There is more than what we're showing you, So so

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Speaker 2: get on there. I really like I did some damage.

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Speaker 2: And it's not we don't get this stuff for free.

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Speaker 2: I was on there actually purchasing it myself, so because

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Speaker 2: people kept asking me, so I figure, hey, why not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my shirt's a little small. I got a medium,

777
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: but I put on some holiday weight, so that's a

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Speaker 3: meat thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're just going to have to get another one.

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Speaker 3: Then those are shirts, Yeah, that's always hard to buy

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Speaker 3: a large one. You're a medium.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Susan great job, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget the mail bag guys. In the comments below

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Speaker 3: this one.

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Speaker 1: Ask us a lot of questions. The silly ones get

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00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: on there too, my son? What did my son asked

787
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: the last time I got on there? I can't remember,

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00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: but it was funny.

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Speaker 3: We will put the serious ones, the funny ones, even

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Speaker 3: the ones that say they you hate me. I don't care. Susan,

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Speaker 3: great job today. I will see you soon, my friend.

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Speaker 1: And like I say on the way out, every single time,

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Speaker 1: swing hard in case you hit it on splat