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Speaker 2: Everybody.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to a Friday editsue at Texans All Access from

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Speaker 3: Monday Texans Radio Studio. I am your host, John Harris,

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Speaker 3: football analyst, sideline reporter. We got plenty for you tonight.

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Speaker 3: If you missed our interview with Frank Ross, we got

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Speaker 3: that for you. You definitely got to hear it. And sometimes

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Speaker 3: I like to listen to an interview after things have

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Speaker 3: happened and you go back and you're like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: that interview subject, whoever it was, we caught all. We

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Speaker 3: caught on that and hit on that, and I think

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Speaker 3: we did that with our discussion with Frank Ross. And

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Speaker 3: we had the Monday leading into the draft, so there's

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Speaker 3: some good stuff there. But we're gonna kick off today's

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Speaker 3: show with myself and Drew Doherty in the Lab. And

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Speaker 3: Drew had an idea for the lab. He basically took one,

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Speaker 3: like one thing out of every interview, out of every

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Speaker 3: draft prospect that we had, and we had a few

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Speaker 3: of those the other night, but we decided that we

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Speaker 3: wanted to finish because Drew had a chance to sit

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Speaker 3: down with all of these prospects after they were drafted,

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Speaker 3: and that I gave him a little bit more insight

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Speaker 3: than anybody else, honestly, and he loved these interviews.

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Speaker 2: And one of his favorites was the one we start

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Speaker 2: with right.

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Speaker 4: Here, Jalen Smith, defensive back from USC. Now, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to speak for you, but I'm gonna speak for

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Speaker 4: you because I know you echo this and feel the

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Speaker 4: same way. Special teams coordinator Frank Ross is one of

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Speaker 4: our favorite all time coaches in this building.

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Speaker 2: Right. We love this dude.

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Speaker 1: He's awesome.

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Speaker 4: I heard after the fact that Ross was ecstatic, ecstatic

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Speaker 4: with the Jalen Smith pick.

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped if if that's the case, I'm cool with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, late third round, if you get a guy. I

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Speaker 3: think it was Saturday. Sean Pendergast was here and to

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Speaker 3: get to studio, you know, he's got to walk the

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Speaker 3: bowels and he ended up seeing Frank and he said

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Speaker 3: Frank was bouncing off the walls. You know, you get

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Speaker 3: noel who can give you reachar Kaylen Smith was a gunner.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because I remember Jalen at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 3: and as I went back and I tried to find

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Speaker 3: some of the Senior Bowl clips just to kind of

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Speaker 3: get an idea again. I remind myself. I was like, man,

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Speaker 3: I can't find him on day two or three, but

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Speaker 3: I do remember him being there on day one.

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Speaker 2: And being successful.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I'm kind of big on numbers, and

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Speaker 3: he wore twenty one at the Senior Bowl. So when

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Speaker 3: I went back and I watched him at USC, he

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Speaker 3: was wearing number two. But then a highlight flashed up.

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Speaker 3: At some point, I'm like, wait, like, who whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 3: why is that not?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I remember nineteen.

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Speaker 3: He wore nineteen the year before when he was there

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Speaker 4: And then I thought the full low cap two and

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Speaker 4: he when he left, Jalen took No.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Two was totally different. Kayalen were seven.

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Speaker 3: He had originally wore twenty seven, like as a young buck,

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Speaker 3: and then he moved to seven. So Jalen won nine

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Speaker 3: it threw me off. But then I remembered the nineteen

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Speaker 3: I'm like, but man, he it's not a slot kind

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Speaker 3: Kamante Turpin's gonna beat everybody. I mean, he's one of

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Speaker 3: But Jeff Acuda got beat so bad, like he wasn't

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Speaker 3: even the ballpark. Jalen's gonna be able to be that

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Speaker 3: And maybe it's not even him, but maybe it's Ronald Darby. However,

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Speaker 3: But look, if what you get from Jalen Smith is

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Speaker 3: special teams, Hell, yeah, let's go. It's ninety said picking

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Speaker 4: And I didn't want to make this seem like, well,

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Speaker 4: saying these are the little things that like stood out to

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Speaker 1: Have plans for him.

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Speaker 4: Yes, defensively, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, but clarify there.

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Speaker 3: But as Frank told us in the interview, he had

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Speaker 3: a hard time sleeping after that game against the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: He felt like the special teams let a lot of

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Speaker 3: Jalen Nole come in with some return game.

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Speaker 2: That was really super important to Frank.

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Speaker 3: To have guys of a high caliber athleticism, and you

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Speaker 3: get the feeling that Jalen Smith appreciates being on special

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Speaker 4: Okay Wood, he marks. J Equavius Marks, running back from

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Speaker 4: USC four years before that, running back for Mississippi State,

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Speaker 4: his head coaching college.

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Speaker 1: And he brought this up with me. I got a

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Speaker 1: fly in this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my kitchen's messing me up.

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Speaker 4: He brought this up with me on the post draft interview. Ah,

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Speaker 4: my head coach is Lincoln Riley. I watched lots of

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Speaker 4: tape of Joe Mixon Lincoln Riley because Lincoln was Joe

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Speaker 4: a few at Oklahoma. Well before that, about twenty years ago.

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Speaker 4: I knew Lincoln Riley and he was a GA, a

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Speaker 4: low level assistant coach for Texas Tech when I was

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Speaker 1: And Lincoln, Yeah, I'm a fan of Lincolns. I like him.

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Speaker 4: So Lincoln is familiar with a guy named Tarian Henderson

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Speaker 4: and I know you are too, John, But Tarian played

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Speaker 4: running back for the Red Raiders, the Aughts, the mid Oughts.

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Speaker 4: I know his senior year there, which I think was

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Speaker 4: Caught lots of catch He was a really productive running back.

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Speaker 4: Ye for that aread offense very very so what looks

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Speaker 4: what stands out to me with woody marks. He didn't

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Speaker 4: Mississippi State, he caught eighty three passes as a sophomore

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Speaker 4: as a running back. That's in a college season, not

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Speaker 4: in a seventeen game NFL season. Eighty three passes, John,

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Speaker 4: that's bananas. I mean that that was the the red

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Speaker 4: blinking light of all red blinking lights in this entire

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Speaker 4: draft class. Eighty three catches for a running back as

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Speaker 4: a sophomore that's wild, dude, wild.

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Speaker 2: So let's just okay.

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Speaker 3: Critics says, yeah, boy, that was the Leach offense and

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Speaker 3: they just throw the ball two minut filf.

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Speaker 2: Okay, half doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It's a running back.

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Speaker 2: I don't care cut him in half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still forty two, forty one, forty two catches

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Speaker 3: out of the backfield that are of a big time

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Speaker 3: quality variety. I'll tell you my my Mark's story. It

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Speaker 3: was twenty twenty three and I happened to be watching

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Speaker 3: to say Lsu may not have been Lsu, I can't remember.

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Speaker 2: And what he's got banged up. I think it was ankle.

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Speaker 2: He's got banged up bankle.

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Speaker 3: And you can tell that there's a hitch in his

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Speaker 2: The announcers and talked about it. You can see on

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Speaker 3: I can't remember which one it was, like you can

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Speaker 3: tell like something's not right.

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Speaker 2: He's banged up and drew abby.

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Speaker 3: Damn if he isn't running through tackles, he's carrying guys.

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Speaker 3: He's fighting for every single inch and he will not

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Speaker 2: He will not.

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Speaker 3: They tried to send somebody in. He waved them off.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not coming out of this game. And

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Speaker 3: I just remember what he Mark's badass, like okay, and

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Speaker 3: then obviously we know what happened with Coach Leitch passed

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Speaker 2: We lost him.

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Speaker 3: Then he ends up moving on to USC and he

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Speaker 3: has I think it was forty seven catches at USC,

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Speaker 2: His name escapes me.

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Speaker 3: It was zero, his number was zero, and they had

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Speaker 3: it's toughness. He swore me like man pass catching like

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Speaker 3: So on Saturday, I'm sitting right here and Brooke was

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Speaker 2: Woody Marks bananas.

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Speaker 3: And I literally just stood up out of my seat

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Speaker 3: and I was like, what, Woody Marks. We just drafted

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Speaker 3: like so excited. I did, like, man, it's just the

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Speaker 2: It's the way this team thinks. He is swarming as hell,

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Speaker 3: Big time, and just that toughness, the way that he

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Speaker 2: That stayed with me. Man, and I'm so glad he's here.

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Speaker 3: And look, he may not be a drop, but I

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Speaker 3: would bet the complete opposite. I would bet that that

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Speaker 3: dude is going to come in here and whatever role

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Speaker 3: you give him, what are you not going off for

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Speaker 3: a pass? You're pass protecting. It's at blitzing linebacker all day.

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Speaker 3: Got a coach, whatever you ask him to do, that

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Speaker 3: dude is going to end up being a factor and

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Speaker 3: impact this organization no matter what.

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Speaker 4: All Right, moving on now to Jalen Reed, Penn State safety.

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Speaker 4: I interviewed him as well. I think that start to me.

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Speaker 4: He played sixteen games last year because went to the

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Speaker 4: semi Yeah, a lot of games. One of them was

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Speaker 4: against my alma mater, SMU and they handled the pony.

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Speaker 1: But whatever. That's when he was there, it was it

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Speaker 1: was cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: What stood out to me though, it's not a number

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Speaker 4: chip on his shoulder, and I think he thinks he

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Speaker 4: should have gotten drafted a lot higher. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 3: You got to be a guy that thinks about special teams,

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Speaker 3: You gotta be ready to go, but you have to

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Speaker 3: You gotta do that, but you have to buy into

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know another great teammate, a quarterback who elevates

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Speaker 4: Yeah, his dad played in in college and everything. But

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Speaker 4: that's really really close to what C. J. Stroud did

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Speaker 3: You know how I feel about adversity for quarterbacks through

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Speaker 1: In time out, time out, time out.

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Speaker 4: Well, case Keenum's not here, so you only have C. J.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and you know, the one thing, the thing

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Speaker 3: You got named DJ Lagway, who's from Willis and DJ

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what merch the year before, they wanted

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Speaker 1: In Biviole accounts, he was being a good teammates.

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Speaker 2: And again, who did that happen to in college one?

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Speaker 3: A long long time. Fingers crossed. Hopefully, you know we

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Speaker 3: But Graham Mertz is that guy you want around the

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Speaker 3: He understands the probably and to me is being a

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Speaker 2: Very self aware, very self aware.

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Speaker 3: And I can appreciate that with a college quarterback become

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Speaker 4: So I apologize if you've been watching, I've kind of

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Speaker 4: been texting me and he said, Jim, did you draft

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Speaker 4: us to kiak to Hamilton. You know what stands out

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Speaker 3: just knew just by watching him. I was like, and

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Speaker 3: so I walked over and I said, you wrestled, didn't you.

442
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Speaker 3: He looked at me like I had five heads. He goes, yeah,

443
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Speaker 3: how'd you know that? And Lance looked at me and

444
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Speaker 3: you see it? I was like, you can see it.

445
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 3: You can tell when guys had been wrestlers, how.

446
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Speaker 1: They didn't have flowers? Did he?

447
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Speaker 3: No, he didn't have cad flower ears, but you could tell.

448
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 3: And I'll find Jay can tell him that story and

449
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Speaker 3: remind him of that and see whether he'll remember that.

450
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Speaker 3: But but you know, with Hamilton, you can see it.

451
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Speaker 3: You know a lot of times when teams are trying

452
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Speaker 3: to zone him off, like just the way he turns

453
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Speaker 3: his body the way he cantorts, the way he can

454
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Speaker 3: kind of grab hold of one but you know, leverage

455
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Speaker 3: another guy's he's being double teamed to whatever the case

456
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Speaker 3: might be. You can see the wrestler.

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Speaker 2: I did not.

458
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Speaker 3: I didn't know about the wrestling part as I watched him.

459
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Speaker 3: But as I'm watching him, I'm like, there's wrestler there.

460
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 3: You could you could see it. You can see it

461
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Speaker 3: in guys and long hold. He was really not only

462
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Speaker 3: was he really good high school, but he actually I

463
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Speaker 3: think Russell I believe for Rutgers early in his career,

464
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Speaker 3: but then he realized he's going to focus on football

465
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Speaker 3: at that point. So look at seventh round. There are

466
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Speaker 3: two seventh rounders with Hamilton Lache. Yeah were I mean, well.

467
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Speaker 4: Here we go, let's do Luke Lache. Let's let's round

468
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Speaker 4: things off. Iowa tight end, ooh, Iowa tight end. Usually

469
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Speaker 4: that gets people pumped up.

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Speaker 2: You know.

471
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Speaker 4: I think at George Kittle and some of the others

472
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Speaker 4: that have come through the greats Laporta. This guy played

473
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Speaker 4: with Laporta, and when Laporta left, the idea was, Okay,

474
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Speaker 4: he's up, he's next, That's right. But for a variety

475
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Speaker 4: of reasons, that Iowa offense kind of sputtered, and this

476
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Speaker 4: guy did nice things and can block, but didn't have

477
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Speaker 4: the numbers that some of these other Iowa tight ends

478
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Speaker 4: have had. But it's just basically Iowa tight end offense

479
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Speaker 4: that didn't do what a lot of folks wanted it

480
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Speaker 4: to do. And there's still a lot of meat on

481
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Speaker 4: the bone with this guy. There's lots of promise I

482
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Speaker 4: think with Luke Lache.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty twenty three, double checking my numbers here. Yeah,

484
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 3: he played only the first two and a half games.

485
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Speaker 2: Then he got hurt. He was he was thought by

486
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Speaker 2: a lot.

487
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Speaker 3: Of the draft knicks and all that coming out of

488
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two when he had a pretty good year

489
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Speaker 3: he had twenty eight catches, almost four hundred yards, four touchdowns.

490
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Speaker 3: He were like, okay, I would tight end because the

491
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Speaker 3: same thing I would tight end. Luke Lache, son of

492
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Speaker 3: an NFL Pro Bowl off its tackle Jim Lache is

493
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Speaker 3: keevian eyes got Then he only plays a couple of

494
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Speaker 3: games in twenty twenty three, so I think that kind

495
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Speaker 3: of kept him off the radar screen.

496
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Speaker 2: And then at twenty twenty four he had a good start,

497
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Speaker 2: then he got hurt.

498
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Speaker 3: Missed the game, and then after he missed the game,

499
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Speaker 3: so he missed I don't know, a game like seven

500
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Speaker 3: or eight. After that, he caught four passes for twenty

501
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Speaker 3: two yards in four games, and it's like, what are

502
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Speaker 3: we doing? Yeah, Like what happened? Start the year he

503
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 3: caught six or sixty three and all of a sudden,

504
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Speaker 3: we're getting to a point. Even against Ohio State he

505
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Speaker 3: had five for thirty nine, Like we're catching one for nine,

506
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 3: two for nine, one for four, Like what are we doing?

507
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Speaker 3: And so I just felt like when I heard his name,

508
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Speaker 3: I was like, wait, hold on, because you know how

509
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Speaker 3: a seventh round is drew. It's just you don't see

510
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Speaker 3: every pick you're trying to follow from. I literally saw him.

511
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Speaker 3: And this happened with Xavier Hutchinson two back in twenty three.

512
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, we just drafted hutch in a

513
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Speaker 3: sixth round. He wasn't gone already. And I thought the

514
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: same thing with Lachet. I'd seen some of the tight

515
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Speaker 3: ends go and I thought he's still on the board.

516
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Speaker 3: Like when I did my my draft needs a Football

517
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Speaker 3: takerver dot com, I put up three the Texans ones

518
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Speaker 3: and I had lache as one of the tight ends.

519
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Speaker 2: I thought we would look at, you know, a guy

520
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Speaker 2: that can play in line.

521
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Speaker 3: You know, he's not you're not quite the blocker that

522
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Speaker 3: Jackson Hawes is, but he still could play in line.

523
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Speaker 2: He in the stands.

524
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Speaker 4: He's a tight end that pretty much every I mean

525
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Speaker 4: they all do it, but he could be a fit

526
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Speaker 4: for every team because of what what you're talking about.

527
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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. And I think he can play

528
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: a couple of the tight end positions too.

529
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Speaker 3: So you get a guy like that in the seventh round,

530
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Speaker 3: start working with him and you're like, hey man, we

531
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Speaker 3: got a little something here.

532
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Speaker 2: So look, is he gonna be kiddle? And no, probably not.

533
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: Odds would say no.

534
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Speaker 3: But if the guy's willing to work and he's got

535
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Speaker 3: the injury stuff behind him, and he comes in and

536
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: and look, that's that's what held TQ back. If TQ

537
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Speaker 3: had just stayed healthy, he was going to stack another

538
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: day on another day and be a pretty good tight end.

539
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Speaker 3: He just couldn't stay healthy at all. And so that's

540
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Speaker 3: the that's the biggest key I think with the tight

541
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Speaker 3: end room especially. I mean, if Luke Luche does anything

542
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, just stay healthy because he's a

543
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Speaker 3: good enough football player with a good at pedigree of

544
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Speaker 3: DNA that if he just stacks good day after good

545
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 3: day after good day, then I think he finds a

546
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Speaker 3: way to do something with this tight end group. For sure.

547
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Speaker 4: We've stacked good podcasts after good podcasts. Certainly have I

548
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Speaker 4: don't know if I know you and I agree that.

549
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Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody else, but I think that, yes, yes,

550
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Speaker 4: this has been a longer one, but we have to.

551
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Speaker 1: It's nine picks.

552
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Speaker 4: It's there's only one twenty twenty five NFL Draft class

553
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Speaker 4: for the text, and so we got to cover it

554
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Speaker 4: in full.

555
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Speaker 3: And we did that. Okay, coming up, it's our favorit

556
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Speaker 3: the Boss. Frank Ross, Special teams Coordinator jumping in with

557
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Speaker 3: marking myself on Texans All Access. Next, let's go what's

558
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Speaker 3: happening everybody. Welcome back to this Friday edition of Texans

559
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Speaker 3: All Access. From Monday, Texans Radio Studio. Draft is over,

560
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Speaker 3: waiting for Rooky Mini Camp. I think it might be

561
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Speaker 3: next week and maybe then OTAs and Mini camp and

562
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Speaker 3: then oh my god, it's the desert, Holy Calvin. The

563
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 3: next football thing after that is training camp. It's unbelievable

564
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Speaker 3: how fast it is getting here, and that is a

565
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Speaker 3: good thing. Okay, Mark and I had a chance to

566
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Speaker 3: catch up with Frank Ross, and I don't say this lately.

567
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Speaker 3: He's one of my favorite people, not only in our building,

568
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Speaker 3: not only the NFL, but that I've ever met. He

569
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Speaker 3: has such an energy, he is driven, perhaps more than

570
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Speaker 3: any coach I've been around.

571
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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy is just always on it.

572
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Speaker 3: And his energy and his effort in his intelligence make

573
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Speaker 3: these special teams what they are. We had a wide

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Speaker 3: ranging interview with him that we wanted to play for

575
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Speaker 3: you again because you missed it the first time. Man,

576
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Speaker 3: you really missed out. Here's Frank Cross with Mark and myself,

577
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Speaker 3: starting with the discussion about the John Carroll University Hall

578
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Speaker 3: of Fame.

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Speaker 5: Special Teams Coordinator Frank Ross with us in studio. Coach,

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Speaker 5: Great to see him, Good see you guys. All right,

581
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Speaker 5: off season visit. We have a lot to get to. Okay,

582
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Speaker 5: hall of Fame, we got to get to that, all right.

583
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Speaker 5: In fact, let's get to it first. John Carroll Sports

584
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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. Congratulations, the surprise video we made all

585
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Speaker 5: of that.

586
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Speaker 2: What was your reaction to getting in? Thanks?

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Speaker 6: Oh, I'm super honored and excited. That was a very

588
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 6: cool moment. Surprise for sure. You know, I've I've closed

589
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Speaker 6: my yearbook, so and proudly I'm about the twenty.

590
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Speaker 2: Twenty five Texans.

591
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Speaker 6: Here comes coach Frank about the twenty twenty five Texans.

592
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Speaker 6: But when it gets open and pride open again, incredible

593
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Speaker 6: honor and really because like that's not a goal of mine, right,

594
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Speaker 6: that wasn't ever a goal of mine. It's always cool.

595
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Speaker 6: I want to win games. You know, we weren't the

596
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Speaker 6: greatest team in generation of John Carroll sports football when

597
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Speaker 6: I was there, but had a lot of fun playing

598
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Speaker 6: hard and it was cool to I guess to say,

599
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Speaker 6: to be recognized in retrospect by peers or whoever else

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Speaker 6: up there. And man, I love my school and proud

601
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Speaker 6: so it was great honor.

602
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Speaker 2: Will there be a ceremony?

603
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Speaker 3: Will you get to be able to be with you know,

604
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Speaker 3: some of your former teammates on what's kind of that aspect?

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Speaker 2: Coach?

606
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well half of our building, ye, John Carroll, you know,

607
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 6: apparently celebrate Houston. They're all over the NFL, right, all

608
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Speaker 6: of us, No, you know, I hope, but you know,

609
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Speaker 6: maybe the football gods will will grace us with a

610
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Speaker 6: bye week schedule. I think the ceremony, the actual induction

611
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Speaker 6: ceremony will be in the fall sometimes, so we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I've got a cool story if I may.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, How did I get my start in

614
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Speaker 6: the NFL? Nick Casserio was getting inducted into the Hall

615
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Speaker 6: of Fame at John Carroll when I was a junior

616
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Speaker 6: and it was evening time, you know, a weekend, and uh,

617
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Speaker 6: I play on a suit and tie and waited and

618
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Speaker 6: I walked up and I said, Nick, I'm Frank, I

619
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Speaker 6: want to work in the NFL one day. Followed back

620
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Speaker 6: on a few years later, you know, through that that

621
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Speaker 6: communication and connection, and then that's how it all started.

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Speaker 2: So it was cool.

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Speaker 6: He must have been on a bye week in New

624
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Speaker 6: England at the time. I don't necessarily know. If I

625
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Speaker 6: get a chance to be up there, it would be

626
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Speaker 6: really great if not. When we had this little surprise

627
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Speaker 6: get together here with Nick, coach Dimiko, all the rest

628
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Speaker 6: of the JCU guys that here they are here, that

629
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Speaker 6: was a cool moment JAK room for everybody. Yeah, I

630
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Speaker 6: mean he took up the team auditorium, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so wait, what happened right after graduation. Was it

632
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Speaker 5: right then that you went, how did that work for you?

633
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was a when I first met. That was

634
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Speaker 2: my junior year played ball.

635
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Speaker 6: I did a fifth year from a medical red shirt

636
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Speaker 6: and played started and tried to play in the NFL,

637
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Speaker 6: and they said they looked at the stop watch, and

638
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Speaker 6: they said next and then we went to uh uh

639
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Speaker 6: spring practice, and I don't have connection.

640
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Speaker 2: I don't have all the you know.

641
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 6: So we went to spring practice and I started coaching

642
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 6: the receivers and got a call eventually to do the

643
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Speaker 6: interview in the internship and got stuck on from there.

644
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Speaker 6: So it was really I was in a semester of

645
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Speaker 6: graduate school and then kind of took it over from

646
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Speaker 6: there afterward.

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Speaker 2: So it was, uh, midway through my second semester.

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Speaker 6: I guess springtime for for that first opportunity and went

649
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Speaker 6: right there.

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Speaker 2: I never looked back.

651
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Speaker 3: So we may have asked you this before, but it's

652
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Speaker 3: a good time to ask it. Had you not, were

653
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Speaker 3: you gonna be a coach? No matter what, regardless of

654
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Speaker 3: what happened coach or getting scouting or whatever, was that

655
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Speaker 3: the plan, no matter what, like draft day, Vonte mac

656
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Speaker 3: No matter what was that what you're gonna do?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, man I I it was always first play, Yeah

658
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Speaker 6: can I can I wind it even further back, always

659
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 6: to be the second basement for the Cleveland Indians.

660
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then that moved on.

661
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 6: They said, you can't even make the throat at first

662
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 6: or second base, you know, you know, uh no once

663
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 6: they once it started being man, I was the extension

664
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 6: of coach on the field as a high school player,

665
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 6: and then I moved forward and I was just always

666
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 6: something that I took to and I still have my

667
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 6: goals set for the rest of my career and it's yeah,

668
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 6: I'm doing what I set out to do and love

669
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 6: the game that I get to compete in.

670
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: So I always wanted to be a coach from the jump.

671
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: So along those lines, bringing up playing a second base

672
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 3: for Cleveland is now the Cleveland Guardians.

673
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 6: Cleveland Guardians. Yeah, I'm being proper, that's right. How when

674
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 6: you when we get.

675
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: Into draft stuff, for you just looking at players, how

676
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: important is it that guys that you're looking at prospects

677
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: you're studying have played multiple sports.

678
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 6: In your eyes, man, I'm I am not the select

679
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 6: sport raised advocate. I want figure it out like that's

680
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 6: why football is unique. Yeah, he started playing football as

681
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 6: a senior in high school. And you know, you look

682
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 6: at the famous story of the service Alomachenko. He's he's

683
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 6: a dancer. His dad wouldn't let him fight until he

684
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 6: learned how to dance so he can get good feet. Yeah,

685
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 6: you know, so, you just I love that about sport.

686
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 6: To me, football, I want to see an aero athlete

687
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 6: that can play basketball and hang in the air and

688
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 6: contort right to reach back and get a rebound. I

689
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 6: want to see you has space and awareness timing, and

690
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 6: I want to see a wrestler who has body position

691
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 6: and like, to me, that is so important.

692
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: I am a big advocate for it.

693
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 6: If I'm going to be a major league pitcher, I

694
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 6: probably need to be throwing the baseball from the age

695
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 6: of twelve and going to see a specialist. But like

696
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 6: you know, for this process, in this sport, the more

697
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 6: you can do the better.

698
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I'm one of those. Of course, sure, yeah.

699
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 5: You were a scout, so does that ever leave you

700
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 5: your special teams coordinator now? But does the scouting part

701
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 5: of you never die?

702
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: I never? I love that.

703
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 6: I think it not only does it never leave me.

704
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 6: I think it has served me and serves me daily

705
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 6: and has served me well, you got to be a

706
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 6: teacher to be a football coach. You're a teacher, you're

707
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 6: a communicator, an educator. But your number one job when

708
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 6: you're totally out of control, and when that is is

709
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 6: I have zero control on Sundays at noon. My job

710
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 6: is done right like within reasons, but they're out on

711
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 6: the grass doing it. It is my number one job

712
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 6: to put them in the right spot based on their

713
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 6: skill sets and abilities, so that is fitting the puzzle

714
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 6: pieces together. I think that is where like, Okay, what

715
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 6: can this player from Ohio State, from Texas, whatever school

716
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 6: you're looking at? What can he do or can't he do?

717
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 6: How do you see it fitting you? How do you

718
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 6: see something he can do? Oh, let's use that skill set.

719
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: Well.

720
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 6: I think it serves me to this day and will

721
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 6: continue to serve me that. I like, I'm not the

722
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 6: greatest scout as far as building a draft board, and

723
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 6: I can't do that. I'll never claim to do that.

724
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 6: It's not as intriguing to me to then say, all right,

725
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 6: here are the that you're given.

726
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: What do they do?

727
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 6: Well, let's put them in spots to use their skills.

728
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 6: That to me is an extension of scouting.

729
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: Frank, It's been a pretty.

730
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: It's been an incredible offseason in a sense for you

731
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: at the Hall of Fame and a lot of things

732
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: you have going on.

733
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: He's the sports words, things like that. But I also

734
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: know how you are.

735
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: I know you care for your players a ton John

736
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: Weeks now moves on to San Francisco forty nine ers.

737
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: Tucker comes in Andton comes in to be the long

738
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: snapper here.

739
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: I just I wouldn't mind.

740
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: I would think a lot of people would love to

741
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: hear your thoughts about Weeks and what he meant to you,

742
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: but also what we now have coming.

743
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: In behind him.

744
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not it's not like, uh, it's the old saying.

745
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 6: You don't replace a You don't replace it John Weeks.

746
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 6: You just you figure out what you can do next

747
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 6: type of situation. That's how much he's meant to this team,

748
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 6: to the organization from his the man that he stood

749
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 6: as and in front of our building for years, setting

750
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 6: the standards, showing up the pros, pro the consistency, the

751
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 6: skills set on the field.

752
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: Here's where I take it.

753
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 6: The person off the field, Like I'm younger than John,

754
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 6: So I come in here as a young coordinator in

755
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 6: twenty twenty one, and I've got a guy who's who's

756
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 6: you know, willing to work with me Like that meant

757
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 6: a lot to me, allowing me to cut my teeth,

758
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 6: if you will, when he's already had done it at

759
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 6: the highest levels of the profession. So he means the

760
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 6: world to me. He'll always mean the world to me,

761
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 6: and I am forever a better coach and leader in

762
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 6: my opinion from working with John, especially on my first

763
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 6: go around. You know, moving forward, it's just you know,

764
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 6: it's football.

765
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: Every year is a new year.

766
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 6: You're gonna it does not matter. The game is going

767
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 6: to show up here in September. We're gonna be ready

768
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 6: to go. And it doesn't matter what it constraints they

769
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 6: put on you. You're gonna make it work.

770
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: So we're gonna do just that. I'm excited.

771
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 6: I'm excited for that opportunity and the challenge, and and

772
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 6: hopefully the guys are as well, Like, Okay, you don't

773
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 6: have this player or that player, but you do have

774
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 6: this new ad addition, you know, uh, you know, Nick

775
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 6: Neeman and Traymon Smith and Justin and like, okay, how

776
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 6: are they gonna like right, that's where I get excited.

777
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: And that's the daily challenge.

778
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 6: So you can't look past today, can't look past the

779
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 6: workout today, the meeting today, whatever it may be.

780
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: And we'll just do We'll do it one little step

781
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: at a time.

782
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 5: Why is long snapping so difficult? Frank when you look

783
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 5: at the ability to do it, I mean, ideally, if

784
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 5: somebody else, a position player, could just do it really well,

785
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: maybe that would be the best thing, be the best thing.

786
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: Spot.

787
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 5: But you need a spot because it's so specific. What

788
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 5: makes it so tough?

789
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: Critical?

790
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 6: We better have an audience on here today. That's that

791
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 6: is nitty gritty football. Let's talk about let's do it.

792
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 6: This is where this is where the fans come, right,

793
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 6: you know. So no, it is so finite, it is

794
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 6: so repeatable, and there's no room for air.

795
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 2: There is none.

796
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 6: So the first thing is is you better be snapping

797
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 6: it on point every time both phases snap for a

798
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 6: long and short for field goal snaps, you better be

799
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 6: on point.

800
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: They're no room for air.

801
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 6: You know, when guys start rolling them back like they

802
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 6: don't play in the NFL. So that's just you know,

803
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 6: there's a lot of college kids that can snap. Okay,

804
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 6: Then the second part comes in, are you strong, quick,

805
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 6: big enough to get you but back off the line

806
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 6: of scrimmage, eyes up to then play football relative to

807
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 6: the rush that we're gonna We're gonna pick up and

808
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 6: then strike an anchor you ever blocked. Then you go

809
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 6: out your in the a gape after snapping with your

810
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 6: head down. It's a hard thing to do. Good luck,

811
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 6: good luck. Better have a guy that can do it.

812
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: That's the deal.

813
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 6: So you know, it's just it's it is a very

814
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 6: hard thing to do on repeat, and when do you

815
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 6: get recognized when it goes bad?

816
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.

817
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 6: So you know, it's just it's a thankless job and

818
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 6: that person is special to your organization.

819
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: And I'm excited to, you know, make it work for

820
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: this year and front.

821
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 5: Of somebody Texans Radio, we mentioned the long snappers' name

822
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 5: on every snap app okay every snap weeks.

823
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: Would get I appreciate that. So now I'm gonna not

824
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: saying his name about John.

825
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's gonna be like saying La instead

826
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: of San Diego.

827
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. That's gonna happen.

828
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 6: There's allow there. We give you a grace period for

829
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 6: Freddy and slips. But then at some point, you know, yeah.

830
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: Coach Mark, what to the annual meetings a few weeks ago?

831
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 3: And I always think about you in those situations because

832
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: there are gonna be some rule changes, and it feels

833
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: like most of the rule changes are coming out of

834
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: the kicking game in some way, shape or form. So

835
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: the most recent one is the move of the touchback

836
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: from the thirty to the thirty five.

837
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: It's five yards. What does it matter?

838
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: I got a feeling it matters a lot. What are

839
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 3: your thoughts on how the kickoff continues to evolve?

840
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, So if I if to take it back to

841
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 6: last offseason when the reason for the whole kick return

842
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 6: and this drastic overhaul of the kickoff kick return play

843
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 6: a safety at the forefront of that to get the

844
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 6: speed in the space and the collisions. And you know,

845
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 6: to the average fan listening, it's it is a violent

846
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 6: play and had been a violent play for a long time.

847
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 6: So I totally understand and respect that player safety first,

848
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 6: and that's why there was a driver forced to get

849
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 6: that done. Also, the play kind of started being touchback,

850
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 6: touch back, touch back. The initial proposal with this new

851
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 6: hybrid kickoff was the thirty five. I thought it was

852
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 6: a little too punitive and year call it trial sample

853
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 6: size year one, So it got tabled, moved it to

854
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 6: the thirty What did.

855
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Teams do kick touchbacks? Not us? But you know, do

856
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: you know how many returns Damien Pierce had? How many?

857
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 6: Do you think I'm gonna say twelve? Yeah, it was

858
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 6: like eight or nine. Yeah, I mean we didn't get

859
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 6: the ball, we didn't get a chance to return the ball.

860
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 6: So if you're going against a good kick returner, I

861
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 6: think Damien is. But if we're playing against a premier returner,

862
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 6: coaches said, you know, just kick it out. Well, now,

863
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 6: if you put that thing to the thirty five, it's

864
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 6: a You're at a forty percent scoring opportunity rate, two

865
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 6: first downs, you got a shot at a field goal.

866
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 6: Not saying it's a make or miss, but like think

867
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 6: about that. Yeah, scoring probably going up a little bit more.

868
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 6: I personally believe you're gonna get more kickoffs. So it's

869
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 6: at thirty three percent a year ago, thirties, I think

870
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 6: that thing is gonna jump closer to the seventies. You're

871
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 6: gonna get touch back still, but not at the clip

872
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 6: that it was. And then you gotta find ways to

873
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 6: do it more often in game, both in coverage and return.

874
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 6: You gotta do it successfully in both, and that is

875
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 6: gonna be a large swing and field position. So then

876
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 6: last detail on it. I know I'm getting wordy. What's

877
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 6: the average starting line of scrimmage after a kickoff? Is

878
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 6: like all thirty two teams are like the first place,

879
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 6: The first ranked team is the thirty and one inch line.

880
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 6: The last ranked team is the twenty nine and one

881
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 6: inch lit like, it's not a big deviation.

882
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: I think now you'll have that I think deviation.

883
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 6: I think I think if you concede the thirty five

884
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 6: yard line and you kick touchbacks, like you're gonna give

885
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 6: up the thirty five for free because the data said,

886
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 6: the play said, put the thing in play and go

887
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 6: tackle the ball inside of the thirty We're gonna try

888
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 6: to do that, you know, within however it plays out

889
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 6: weekly game, et cetera. But you know, it's just I

890
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 6: think you're gonna see a little bit of a separation.

891
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 2: Oil and water there.

892
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 5: Wow, Well, we've come a long way, because the instances

893
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 5: last year where occasionally you'd see a team start at

894
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 5: the twenty. It just looks so it looked like you

895
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 5: were at the goal line or something. And that's how

896
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 5: we used to play football all the time, the time,

897
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: always at the twenty.

898
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 6: Take it to the punting game where the punt's gonna

899
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 6: happen midfield punts. Then you're gonna have more punts to

900
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 6: get dropped inside of the ten. Now they're more backed up,

901
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 6: so backed up offense might uptick. Oh, all the things

902
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 6: right fringe area of the field goal range? Are you

903
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 6: going for it on fourth downs? Are you kicking long

904
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 6: fifty yard field goal at ten? All these things that

905
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 6: you got to start to evaluate. See how it plays out.

906
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 6: We'll see I'm getting ahead of myself. You guys asked

907
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 6: I get going.

908
00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: You got.

909
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: But it's the kicking game that gets most of these

910
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: you know rule changes. Yeah, there's there was a there

911
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 3: was a proposal for you know, defensive pat not defense

912
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: passing if he's holding and leave contact. May be sure,

913
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 3: but it feels like everything is impacting the kicking game.

914
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: So I'll ask this, combining the two things we talked about,

915
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: scouting and these new rules, when you stare and think, hey,

916
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: there may be more returns. We need more guys that

917
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 3: can go down and cover and make tackles. We might

918
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: need Damian, we might need more guys that can catch

919
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: a kickoff and do something with it. Does that impact

920
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: some of the way that you go up with the

921
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: scouting and looking at it.

922
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And I don't necessarily know if it looks

923
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 6: you know, players, you look at them differently. I just

924
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 6: think it's about more team construction. You're not going to

925
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 6: be healthy across the board for seventeen weeks. You're gonna

926
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 6: have to put the ball in play. There's gonna injuries

927
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 6: may with the more plays that happened. But now you know,

928
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 6: you take it to the element of football. It's like

929
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 6: on the grass field position, you know, so how's the

930
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 6: game being played? You know, you want to control and

931
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 6: dominate field position, and then offensively you want to shorten

932
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 6: the field. So can we return the ball? Do you

933
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 6: have a return game that's adequate or do you have

934
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 6: a return game that's not dominant? So all those things

935
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 6: are going to really start to impact more. And it's

936
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 6: about the field position, and it's about how you're controlling

937
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 6: the game and you know, you might have a way

938
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 6: better team than us. But if we got a short

939
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 6: field all Sunday afternoon and you got a long field,

940
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 6: and it's like that for the defense in our offense,

941
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 6: it's short or long, like you would give that team

942
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 6: the advantage. The NFL is too competitive, too competitive for

943
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 6: that to happen.

944
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 5: So all right, I got one more for you. Sure,

945
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 5: soon enough, you'll have rookies in for rookie camp. Can

946
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 5: we got to thank your speech to them, your tutelage,

947
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 5: whatever takes place during that three day period, however long

948
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 5: it is, is so important because hey, this is your

949
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 5: real ticket to the NFL, baby, And you might not

950
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 5: have done this stuff in college, but you need to

951
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 5: do it here.

952
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: You need to know. And there's an entry level job.

953
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 2: Come to the fourth down. Come to fourth down. Yeah,

954
00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: you guys know.

955
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 6: And I always kind of dangle the caro like player

956
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 6: participation money, like you want how many more players are

957
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 6: on kickoff? People were clamoring to get on field goal

958
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 6: block team. Those are Oh yeah, you.

959
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

960
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 6: It's a lot of reps for the seasons, you know,

961
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 6: but no, it's uh.

962
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: Thought about it. How do you how do you learn

963
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: speed of the NFL.

964
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 6: How do you learn physicality playing against different types of

965
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 6: players us as coaches?

966
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy has spatial instincts. You gotta go play

967
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 2: in a kicking game.

968
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 6: Like, For as long as I'll be in this profession,

969
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 6: I'm blessed to be a spect teams coach. But like

970
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 6: this is, I am a true believer. I believe that

971
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 6: that not only is a good healthy way to cut

972
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 6: your teeth, I think he's an unbelievable developmental skill set

973
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 6: for the rest of your roster. The best way is

974
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 6: a bunch of veterans that are playing really good. You

975
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 6: got a rookie linebacker at that position. As you move out,

976
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 6: you move up. If you could do that on repeat,

977
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 6: I think thirty two teams would sign up for that system.

978
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: Along those lines, and this would be last one from me.

979
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 3: How important is it for your veterans, guys that have

980
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 3: got a little seasoning to be part of those crews

981
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: to be able to say, yay, I'll go block a few,

982
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 3: well like did he go outrhy does last year? Hey,

983
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: I'll get on punting. How important is it for them

984
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: to sort of emulate that to be hey, we'll go

985
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: do that. If you need us to and for the

986
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: young guys looking go, hey, man, I'm not too big

987
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: for my bridges.

988
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: If Deniko's on it, then man, I need to be

989
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: on it.

990
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's a that's a culture thing You're you're

991
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 6: speaking to right there. I mean, the longer you're in it,

992
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 6: the better you become at it.

993
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: Right.

994
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 6: So, if if dariogum Wale is one of the better

995
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 6: running backs, if not the like, I think the world

996
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 6: of dar a kicking game staple here for how many

997
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 6: seasons now, right, Like, he's not trying to get off

998
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 6: the punt team?

999
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: How many kickoff tackles? Is he not knifeing tackles? Has

1000
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: he made? You know, I don't know many people.

1001
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 6: You know, I can't speak for everybody, but I don't

1002
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 6: know many people that would say that it would wag

1003
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 6: wag their nose at that. I think he's done an

1004
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 6: outstanding job and to me, like a guy that takes

1005
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 6: pride whatever. Jake Hansen, Now at this point, you know

1006
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 6: m J. Stewart, Treymond, he's you know, has had a

1007
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 6: wildly sex wildly successful career doing fourth down, and I

1008
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 6: don't it might not be the superstar living that every

1009
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 6: college freshman is staring at right now. But when you

1010
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 6: get here, like yeah, it's a pretty darn good way

1011
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 6: to go as well. And I think you know for

1012
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 6: your team, more veteran replacement you have on the kicking

1013
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 6: game rolls, the.

1014
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 5: Better you have a chance to be for sure out

1015
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 5: standing coach. Congrats once again on the John Carroll Hall

1016
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 5: of Fame. Thanks you, best of luck with the rest

1017
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 5: of the off season.

1018
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: Thanks guys. Good to see you guys. All right, we

1019
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: get back.

1020
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 3: We're gonna go round the NFL quickly and then wish

1021
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: the Rockets some luck.

1022
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: We'll do that when we get back right here in

1023
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: Texas All Access.

1024
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: What's happen everybody, Welcome back to this Friday and ish

1025
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 3: that Texas All Access our final segment a little quickly

1026
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: before we turn it over to Area forty five. I'm

1027
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: John here Football Anaal sideline reported for your Houston Texans

1028
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: and a huge Rockets fan.

1029
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: Fingers crossed. Big one to night man.

1030
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: Is this the the biggest basketball game in Houston and

1031
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: for Houston professional basketball obviously since well I don't know

1032
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: what before before COVID for sure, right, it's gotta be

1033
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: just a big one. And going out there to San Francisco,

1034
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: knocking off Steph Curry in Game six to bring it

1035
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 3: back home in Game seven. Good luck boys, Uh go

1036
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: get it done, all right, It's hit. A couple of

1037
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: NFL pieces of news. Jordan Travis Start Florida State, was

1038
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: drafted by the Jets last year in the fifth round,

1039
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: hoping he'd come back from a gruesome leg injury, and

1040
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 3: he just said, not gonna happen. He has medically, basically

1041
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: medically retired there with the Jets, which I hate for

1042
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 3: him because I think he would have been a guy

1043
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: like Brock Purty late on Day three. I don't even

1044
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: think he would have gotten the day three. He'd have

1045
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: been healthy coming out of Florida State. But he has

1046
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 3: called it quits with the Jets.

1047
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: The Bills big move.

1048
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: I thought Elijah Moore only twenty five years old. When

1049
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: we were talking about wide receivers way way back in

1050
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: February and March, I mentioned a few guys that I

1051
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 3: thought would make sense for the Texans.

1052
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: Rondelle Moore, Elijah Moore, Christian Kirk.

1053
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: Now, Christian had the contract, but I thought it would

1054
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: be renegotiate all that kind of stuff. But Elijah Moore,

1055
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: Rondale Moore. I think I felt like they had a

1056
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: lot more in their play with the Buffalo Bills. Two

1057
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 3: days after Brandon being called into WGR in the morning

1058
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: because he was listening to their guys kind of bagging

1059
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: the Bills about the receivers, Elijah Moore becomes a Bill

1060
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 3: wide receiver. I think it could be end up being

1061
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: a very, very good move. The Ravens declined the option

1062
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: on Tyler Linderbaum. I first saw it and I thought

1063
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: I'd lost my mind. But then when you think about it,

1064
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: I think they're trying to find that long term extension

1065
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: for him and get that done. So his number is

1066
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 3: in the ballpark for a center and not for an

1067
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: offensive lineman.

1068
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: So there you go.

1069
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: Good luck to Rockets tonight, See you guys on Monday,

1070
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: and as always, go to Texas