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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A missing woman's body was

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Speaker 1: the one being stored in a Camel freezer. Police have

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Speaker 1: just confirmed that it was Shannon Graves. She hadn't been

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Speaker 1: seen for several months. First, Who's anchor, Stanboni is live

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Speaker 1: outside of the Youngstown Police Department right now with more information.

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Speaker 1: I'm standing tonight just outside of the Youngstown Police Department

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Speaker 1: of downtown Youngstown, where in the past hour, the police

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Speaker 1: department has confirmed the identity of the woman found Saturday

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Speaker 1: in a freezer in Camel. Her name is Shannon Graves.

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Speaker 1: She is twenty eight years old. For a while, she

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Speaker 1: was actually on the Ohio Attorney General's missing Person's list.

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Speaker 1: The confirmation of the identity of Shannon Graves was made

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Speaker 1: this afternoon after an autopsy done by the Cuyahoga County

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Speaker 1: Corner's Office. Shannon Grave was just twenty eight years old,

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Speaker 1: goes missing for a period of time, and then she

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Speaker 1: is reported missing by her family. So how does a

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Speaker 1: body end up in a freezer? First? I want to

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Speaker 1: find out, Well, you know, let's just start at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nasy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I've got an

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Speaker 1: all star panel lined up to figure this out? How

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Speaker 1: does a woman go a young woman in the prime

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Speaker 1: of her life, just twenty eight years old, got her

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Speaker 1: whole life in front of her, got parents, got siblings,

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Speaker 1: people that love her. How does she end up not

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Speaker 1: just in a freezer? You know why it took so

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Speaker 1: long to figure out who it was? She was dismembered?

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Speaker 1: What did they just move over the ground beef? They

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Speaker 1: ground beef down to the frozen pepperoni pizza. How did

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Speaker 1: this happen to this beautiful young girl. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: her right now. She looks like she should be on

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Speaker 1: the front of some organic, natural, living, wholesome magazine. Jackie,

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Speaker 1: look at her? Look out pretty? I mean when you yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what I thought, Jackie said. It looks like

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Speaker 1: clean living. She's beautiful. I don't mean that in a

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Speaker 1: a very pretty smile. She's just pretty. She looks like

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Speaker 1: the girl next door with me. Doctor Michelle Dupree, medical examiner,

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Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, doctor Wendy Dickinson, psycholog's

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Speaker 1: founder of Grow Counseling. Stephen Lampley, detective extraordinaire. Kathleen Murphy,

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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer out of North Carolina. Nimah Hadatti, former

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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, trial veteran. But right now, to John Limley,

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, who is this woman?

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Speaker 1: Why is she in a freezer? Nancy, the way you've

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Speaker 1: described Shannon Elizabeth Graves is really perfect. You know, she's

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Speaker 1: like somebody's beloved daughter or granddaughter or best friend, and

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Speaker 1: she was all of those things. Yeah, I was gonna say, correction,

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Speaker 1: She's not like somebody's beloved. She is somebody's beloved daughter, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, don't start I'm beloved children because I have

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Speaker 1: been a nervous wreck about children. My children, they're eleven. Nimahdatti, Dotor,

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Speaker 1: Wendy Dickinson. You may not have heard me go on

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Speaker 1: and on and on about them, but they're eleven year

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Speaker 1: old twins. They're my world. John David just fractured his

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Speaker 1: Heath thanking? I disagree with this. Basanta brought up trampoline,

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Speaker 1: it all day long while they're at school. Yes, this

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Speaker 1: woman is beloved. Her parents probably thought about her all

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Speaker 1: Shannon on Christmas Day. Now, her sister Debbie to Paul

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Speaker 1: says that it was not unusual for Shannon to go

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Speaker 1: That's something they say Shannon would never in a million

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Speaker 1: He told us he is too distraught to talk after

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Speaker 1: finding out that it was Shannon Graves in the freezer,

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Speaker 1: just like you're saying. John Lemley Crime Online dot com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, where you can find this in all other

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Speaker 1: breaking crime and justice news Crime online dot com. The

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Speaker 1: fact that she left behind her dog, and I want

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Speaker 1: to go for a moment to our new panelist, Atlanta psychologist,

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Speaker 1: founder of Grow Counseling, doctor Wendy Dickinson. You know, doctor

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Speaker 1: Wendy Dickinson. It was a technique I used often in court,

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Speaker 1: but really I just recently heard a formal name to it.

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Speaker 1: It's called routine evidence evidence of routine. I would argue

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Speaker 1: the end on Sayed Case, which is part of Serial

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Here you've got a woman that goes about

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Speaker 1: for and assessing has there been a trauma? Is there

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Speaker 1: way to put it. Wk B NTV STANDBONI reporting right there.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just don't know sometimes how many more

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Speaker 1: You like I and Lampley have probably seen it all.

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Speaker 1: that well, really our whole panel. But Nima, do you

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Speaker 1: dismembered and a freezer. Uh huh? What happened next? Well,

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Speaker 1: Grave's identity and lived her life, but she didn't really,

424
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: you know, she didn't go to the point of, you know,

425
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: changing her name and identification and such. Novoa and Leyton

426
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: allegedly moved inside of Shannon's home, used her credit cards,

427
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: even caring for her dog. All the while the community

428
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: is searching for this young woman. So basically, Katrina moved

429
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: in with Arturo started living Shannon's life. She didn't hold

430
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: herself out to be Shannon. She just lived her life,

431
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: using her phone, caring for a dog, apparently the two

432
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: just driving her car, wearing her clothes. I mean, but

433
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: that is impersonating her. John Linley, Kathleen Murphy. That's gonna

434
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: look horrible if this ever goes to court, that she

435
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: just walked into somebody's home. How could she argues she

436
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: didn't know anything had happened to Shannon Graves when she's

437
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: taking care of her dog, wearing her clothes, driving her car,

438
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: and using her cell phone with all of her contacts

439
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: in it. Oh, Nancy, She didn't say she was impersonating.

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00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: She said she was just used her item, using her ID,

441
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: using her home, taking care of her dog. But to her,

442
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: that's not her boyfriend, her apartment, her car, her driver's license,

443
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: her credit cards, her dog, her cell phone. I mean,

444
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: she's not. What am I missing? That is impersonal? That's

445
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: I come into your house and I'll start wearing your clothes,

446
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: taking care of your children and having dinner with your husband,

447
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: driving your car and calling people on your cell phone.

448
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say, I'm not impersonating you. Fine, have it.

449
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: Your white Nemaha Dati former California prosecutor. She's in deep,

450
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: deep trouble. Yeah, she is. This is pretty terrible, using

451
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: somebody's ID, using the car, everything that is impersonating somebody

452
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: and seems like she's an accessory. There's no way she

453
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: can have known about any of this. She needs to

454
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: find a really good defense attorney and separate herself and

455
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: start to fight as soon as possible. Take a listen

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00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: to Youngstown Lieutenant Doug bbof Nick and her friend A. W.

457
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: K be into with you. Arrest made. Two individuals were

458
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: arrested and charged with abuse of a corpse, and then

459
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: the other individual was also additionally charged with obstructing justice

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00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: in connection with the remains found in Campmell. We believe

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00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: that we are investigating it because we believe that it

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00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: originated in the city of Youngstown and was taken the

463
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: camel Are those two people are troa in Katrina Taylor.

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00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: That's correct, he's ald Us wearing Camelot Street house. It

465
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: was on Devitt Avenue in camel What can you say

466
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: about the body those found? It appears to be a female. However,

467
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: we weren't able to closely examine it. The body was

468
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: taken to Cuyahoga County Corner's office where there's going to

469
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: be a forensic examination earlier this week. We'll be able

470
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: to determine the hopefully the cause of death. The next

471
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: steps today in a murder case that has garnered national attention,

472
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: two people accusing the murder of a woman and then

473
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: putting her body in a freezer, we're in court today.

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00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: First News reporter Tyler Trill was there and has the

475
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: latest from the courtroom. The couple young Sound police accused

476
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: of hiding a missing woman's body inside a freezer pleaded

477
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: not guilty to all three of their charges inside a

478
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: Mahoney County courtroom this morning. Arturo Novoa and Katrina Layton

479
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: are charged with aggravated murder, tampering with evidence, and abuse

480
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: of a corpse after a police discovered the body of

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00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Shannon Graves in a freezer and a camel home in July.

482
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: They've both been in Mahoney County jail ever since. Grays

483
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: is the ex girlfriend of Novoah. The two lived together

484
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: in a home in Youngstown. Prosecutors say Katrina Layton then

485
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: assumed Shannon Grave's life after she had died. Bond was

486
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: set at a million dollars for both Novoah and Layton

487
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: back in July. That bond continues. Out to John Linley,

488
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, I noticed that these

489
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: two are charged now with aggravated murderer of this beautiful

490
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: young girl, Shannon Grays. But two other people are charged

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00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: with obstructing justice. So bottom line, this Ohio man thirty

492
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: one years old, Orchia Novoa, hid his girlfriend's body in

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Speaker 1: a freezer while living with another woman, also in her thirties,

494
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: who assumed Shannon Graves identity. It's Artira Novoa and Katrina

495
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: Leyton arrested by Youngstown police. I learned about this story

496
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: conveniently at a restaurant slash Bar. I was not drinking

497
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: across the street from the courthouse in Youngstown, and what

498
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: I heard left me shocked and upset, not just about

499
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: the murder, but the fact that people would stand by

500
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: and be part of this scheme. To John Limley, I

501
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: noticed that two people are charged, Novoah and Leyton with

502
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: Shannon's murder, But who are the other two people that

503
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: are charged with obstruction? The names in the indictment Andrew

504
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: Herman and Michelle Enfield. These two were charged on engaging

505
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: in a pattern of corrupt activity, tampering with evidence twelve

506
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: counts there, and abuse of a corpse. In short, they

507
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: assisted Novoa with getting a rid hiding the body of

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00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: Shannon Graves. I just want to make sure, John Linley,

509
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: of one thing. The two names you read out, they're

510
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: not the meatball lover right, they're not the people that

511
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: claim they find the body and they're shocked and they okay,

512
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: so they're in the clear at they're the good guys

513
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: in this scenario. Who are these two other people? How

514
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: could they? You know? I don't get it. Nimahadatti, former

515
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: California prosecutor. I've seen it before where other people just

516
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: stand by and let something horrible happen and help in

517
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: the cover up and do nothing. Yeah, this is pretty terrible.

518
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: It seems like they actually helped conceal It seems like

519
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: with that obstruction of justice charge, they helped conceal the

520
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: crime as well. And it's just disgusting. And the apartment

521
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: that they lived in was actually Shannon Graves's apartment. Artiro Novoa,

522
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: the boyfriends and then Layton basically assume her life, all

523
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: her belongings. They take over her life. These two have

524
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: now landed in a court of law. Take a listen

525
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: to this the next steps today in a murder case

526
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: that has garnered national attention, two people accusing the murder

527
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: of a woman and then putting her body in a freezer.

528
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: We're in court today. First News reporter Tyler Trill was

529
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: there and has the latest from the courtroom. The couple

530
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: young Sound police accused of hiding a missing woman's body

531
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: inside a freezer pleaded not guilty to all three of

532
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: their charges inside a Mahoney County courtroom this morning. Artiro

533
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: Novoa and Katrina Layton are charged with aggravated murder, tampering

534
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: with evidence, and abuse of a corpse after a police

535
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: discovered the body of Shannon Graves in a freezer and

536
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: a camel home in July. They've both been in Mahoney

537
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: County jail ever since. Graves is the ex girlfriend of Novoah.

538
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: Graves family reported her missing back in February. The two

539
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: lived together in a home in Youngstown. Prosecutors said Katrina

540
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: Layton then assumed Shannon Grave's life after she had died.

541
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: Bond was set at a million dollars for both Novoa

542
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: and Layton back in July that bond continues. Law enforcement

543
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: also searched the couple's home. Those that were charged with

544
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: obstructing and helping hide the body, and they say, quote,

545
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: the measures this group allegedly took to cover up the

546
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: gruesome homicide are incomprehensible. That's from the age might Dwing.

547
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: These three defendants are accused of engaging in a pattern

548
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: of corrupt activity and attempt to mislead authorities and conceal

549
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: the atrocious crime. Wow, how long they got away with

550
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: her body being dismembered and frozen and a freezer sitting

551
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: in somebody else's basement is just amazing to me. To

552
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: Detective Stephen Lampley, how do you get away with something

553
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: for that long glance? It depends on the situation. You

554
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: look at Jeffrey Dahmer. Friends, of course, this is no way,

555
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: this is not a serial killing that Jeffrey Dahmer got

556
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: away with this forever. I mean, it seemed like it

557
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: was an eternity that he was killing and giving away

558
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: with it, and d was using a preaser himself. It

559
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: just depends on the circumstance that it can be done

560
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: and has been done and may be done again. I'm

561
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: also learning that the missing woman's body, of course, discovered

562
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: in a freezer, was not complete. Her entire body has

563
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: still not been found. I've also learned she was only

564
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: identified through fingerprints in DNA. To medical examiner and author

565
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree, what does that tell you they had

566
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: to identify her through through fingerprints in DNA. Well, that

567
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: tells me basically that the body was in a condition

568
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: that it was unidentifiable by any other means, And identifying

569
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: a diseased person through fingerprints is relatively easy as fond

570
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: as we have tissue again that we can use to

571
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: get a fingerprint from and something to match it too. Well,

572
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: in my mind, Nemaha, Daddy, I don't know if you're

573
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: thinking like me, but what it tells me is she

574
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: doesn't have a head. They cannot identify her, They cannot

575
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: be in facial recognition. They had to use fingerprints in DNA.

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00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: That's what it tells me. Nema. I don't know, but

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00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: I mean, they couldn't identify her through gental records, They

578
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: could not identify her through facial recognition. They had to

579
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: use her fingerprints. Nema. Yeah, this points to me this

580
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: was all premeditated. They thought about this. This was done

581
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: in a very articulate and disgusting matter and was well

582
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: thought out. It's terrible, but Nan she may not have

583
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: had a head, but she also could have just been

584
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: too decomposed to have visual recognition. And unless we have

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00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: something to compare general records too, and we have an

586
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: idea who that person is, there's no judge base in

587
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: the sky for everybody who general records, So fingerprints are

588
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: an excellent way to do that. You know, what does

589
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: that do to a family, doctor Wendy Dickinson, that you

590
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: don't have your child's whole body to bury. Potentially her

591
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: head or some other part of her body is missing. Well,

592
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's obviously a trauma on top of a trauma.

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00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean the family has already been through so much

594
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: with her being missing and not knowing what's happening and

595
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: finding out all of these details, but then not to

596
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: be able to have the closure of being able to

597
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: bury her and see her for one last time. It's

598
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: extremely difficult on their family on their grieving process and

599
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: really can lead to some pretty complex ramifications for the grieving.

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00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: To John Lonely, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, where

601
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: does the case stand now. Well, before I get to that,

602
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting to point out because we've talked about where

603
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: these extra body parts that were missing have gone. This

604
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: indictment shows that they disposed of graves body by both

605
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: chopping it up the parts that they found in the

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00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: freezer and dissolving part of it in acid before sticking

607
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: it in the freezer. Prosecutors alleged that these people helped

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00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: burn graves possessions, used her phone and cart, and earlier

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00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: this month, one of them, i Enfeld, even threatened someone

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00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: who dared to ask her questions about Shannon and her disappearance.

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00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: So at this point, first of all, Katrina Layton reached

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00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: a plea deal. She was able to avoid sentencing by

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00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: simply agreeing to testify against her boyfriend. Now the other two.

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00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: The trial date at this point is set for June third,

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00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: and this is when Artura Novoa and his co defendants

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00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: Andrew Hermann and his wife Michelle Ienfeld, they will all

617
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: go to trial on murder and disposal of Grave's body.

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00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: At this hour, Artura Novoa heading to trial for murderer

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00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: and abuse of a corpse. But what I will never

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00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: understand is why other people willingly go along with evil,

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00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: and stand by and let it happen, and do nothing.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfals. Nancy Grace crimes Toory, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,