WEBVTT - Intoxicated w/ Cathy Moriarty 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:08.840 These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:27.120 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.960 Hello, welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.360 My name is Kara and I am Lisa, and we're 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.239 talking an episode of SVU, the true crime it is 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.920 based on. And then we are talking to an incredible 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.400 guest that was life changing. I did brag about this 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.040 guest to my acting teacher and he was thrilled for us, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.320 and he was impressed at whatever. We'll we'll wait, we'll wait, 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.280 wait for that. What's that, bitch? What do you have 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:57.360 to say? 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.840 What is my whole deal? I I am good. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.520 I had a funny thing happened to me over Friday. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.800 So unfortunately Lisa's out of town, or I would have 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.480 gone with her. Because Trixie and Katia, two of our 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.240 favorite drag queens, did play live in Los Angeles. We 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.400 were very excited to go see them, but Lisa's out 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.360 of town, so I went with another friend and I 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.240 met my friend I was running late. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.679 Oh he's a friend of the pod. Oh yes, it's Jed. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:24.920 If you were at our LA show. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.320 He helped us sell some merch and he was there 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.480 before me, having drinks and I was like rushing to 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.520 get there. And so I get there and outside there's 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.720 this huge line to get in, and I'm like, it's 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.000 already seven thirty. Why doors were at seven? Why is 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.759 there this massive line? But also we have a signed seats, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.319 so it's like, I don't know. So Jed and I 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.520 just kind of slip into the line at a place 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.080 where there's a huge gap where there's a parking lot, 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:49.800 and we act like we don't see the line that's 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.200 behind us, which is rude, but we were both we 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:53.720 just had to get to will call, so I had 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.000 another line to wait in once I got in anyway, 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.160 so I was just like, just let me have I'm 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:00.720 running late, ran here. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:01.800 From like putting my kids to bed. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.120 So as the line comes up and joins us, this 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.960 girl behind us, like this girl with like fabulous makeup on, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.120 was like, oh, so you guys are just gonna cut 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.200 And at this moment that this happened, Uh, that's messed up. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.639 Listener goes Kara Klank from that's messed up, And I go, 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.600 uh what, And I like turn my head and it's 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.680 this girl that's like, oh my god, I love your podcast. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.400 She introduces me to her mom. She's like, mom, she 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.280 hosts one of my favorite podcasts. And I'm like, uh uh, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.040 Like I haven't been recognized really before. Besides that our 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:31.800 live shows where you're coming to see us, and so 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.679 I was like, Hi, Hi, great. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.200 To meet you. Yeah, thanks for listening. Oh my god, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:37.359 I enjoy the show. Whatever. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.560 And then by the time I turned around, Jed had 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.399 just worked it out with the girl, so we were 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.360 just in line, and I was like, wow, that was 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.360 probably the best first recognition I could have gotten. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.640 Like I just was like, are we gonna have like 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:52.080 a fight? 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.880 I don't want to like fight with somebody, you know 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.200 what I mean, Like, I don't want to get into 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.040 a big thing. And then yeah, this girl was just 0:02:58.080 --> 0:02:59.919 at the moment that the girl said it, Kara L 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.720 I was like, oh my god, this is perfect. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.680 But it was fun. It's also perfect that Jed, your 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.760 other fellow biggest gossip was both of you were handling 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.200 your business on either end well, and I said to him, 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:11.680 I go, what did you say? 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.560 And she goes he goes, well, she said, so you 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.320 guys are just gonna cut, and I go, yeah, we are, 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.400 and she was like okay. She just like respected it that. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.359 He just was like, yeah, I'm not going to fight 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.359 you on this. I'm not gonna lie like we are 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.640 kind of cutting. But honestly we were in line for 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:26.919 five minutes and then we had to get into a 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.960 separate will call line. I watched that girl walk in 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.120 ten minutes before I could walk in, so it was 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.520 like not, I didn't feel like we were horrible. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.360 Don't come for me line cutter people. I would have 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:37.440 said something too too. 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.400 I would have said something if it happened. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:45.200 To me, But sometimes you just do bad things. Yeah, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.480 I was here just being jerks. But like it was 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.920 hello to that listener. It was lovely to meet your mom, 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.320 and I hope you enjoyed the show. I had a 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.320 great time at trickstin Katia. They were fabulous and I 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.280 think they're continuing to tour. If you guys, if they 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.720 come near your city, go see them. And you got 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.520 the cheas box I did. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.240 If you guys checked out our stories a couple of 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.400 weeks ago, you may have seen that I finally got 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.120 the cheerios box with iced tea on it, and I'm 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:11.800 gonna let Rosie know who coach Ice is. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:13.840 It's gonna be really cute. 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.360 And then obviously the worst thing was we know about 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.520 is like the mask thing. I feel like I have 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.760 to finally go get boosted because I'll be flying. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:21.560 I'm gonna be flying. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.039 You gotta get boosted, girl. I'm going this week because 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.159 if people are just gonna be maskless on tiny tiny 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:28.719 fly its. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.160 Just come do it. I didn't even have a reaction. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.240 Even if you do, it'll be like five hours, like, 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:34.000 you'll be fine. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.039 I don't care. I'm doing it. You don't even have 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.880 to convince me anymore. I'm gonna do it. Well now 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:43.160 I'll make a calendar and I don't think I will do. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.080 You watch Potomac, of course, but I'm not. There's not 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.440 a new season as no, there's not. But Ashley Darby 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.159 just filed for divorce from Michael. Oh thank god. I 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.120 feel like I have to scream to Julia right now. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.560 I'm in my friend's apartment. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:07.479 Julia, Ashley Darby filed for divorce. We gotta woo wow. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:08.080 This is huge. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:09.840 Also, I haven't watched yet this is actually what I'm 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.960 gonna do tonight, so maybe we'll have comments on it later. 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:16.160 But Matt Rogers from less Culturista's fame, I'm a big 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.520 fan of his, and I would say I think he's 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.640 a bigger better friend to me than I like. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:22.719 I think I think about him more than he thinks 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:23.040 about me. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.520 But he was on Watch What Happens Live with I 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:31.000 heard Karen Huger looking fucking fabulous, So I cannot wait 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:31.520 to watch that. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.039 I know I can't wait to watch either. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.080 At this point when this episode comes out, that'll be 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.680 a little bit old, but like, go check out about 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:38.800 Rogers on Watch What Happens Live? 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:43.320 He is a star. I'm so glad Ashley's filing for divorce. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.400 That is, he was a bad man and a criminal. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.720 And the fact that Bravo continued to have like a 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.799 sexual assault on the payroll. 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.080 I feel like, I feel like maybe this is rude, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:57.560 but I feel like she was like, just get I 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.120 just want a sibling for the kid and then get 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.120 the hell out of here, you know, Like I don't know, 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.480 because she got pregnant real quick after that first one, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.040 and their marriage did not seem like it was going great. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.760 But it's also a reality show, so what are you? 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.640 That is very my thing is So for those who 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.080 don't know, Ashley did not grow up with her father, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.520 And then in the show first season maybe second, she 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.560 goes to her bio daddy's house. He opens the door, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.520 seize it's her, and slams the door in her face. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.760 So for someone like her to then choose maybe not 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.240 great mate makes sense to me. You know, when your 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.479 dad doesn't want to see you and laughs and slams 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.279 the door at you, and you want to finally meet 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.640 your father, you're gonna end up with a weird Australian 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.920 man who wants to serve ostriches to a marriage and 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.800 pinch guys on the ass all the time. Yeah, and 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.200 sheat and lie and also live in a tiny condo. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.280 It's like, Okay, if you're doing it for the money, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.360 I get it, but you're in a condo just chugging coronas. 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:56.720 I don't understand this life. And I'm glad that she 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:58.920 is free. And she's a fucking babe. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.000 She's a young'sh gorgeous, She's so gorgeous it's crazy. And 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.520 she seems like she's a great mom, but Anyway, congrats Ashley, 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:07.320 if you're listening. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.840 Wait, we were talking before I got that big news. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.240 We were talking about the mask mandates been lifted on airplanes, 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.280 so you're gonna go get boosted. Honestly, I'll probably still 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.360 wear masks on planes a little bit, but I will 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.200 take them down once I'm in my own little seat 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.240 and I'm just like got my jacket kind of like 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:23.360 over my face, like when I. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:24.280 Sleep, you know what I mean. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.160 Maybe in first class. I don't know. I just maybe 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.000 in first class there's no germs up there. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.600 There's but the seats have like the barriers, like laid 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.080 down seats are a little bit more aggressive. Yeah, that's true. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.320 I just feel like if I'm traveling and it's a 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.560 short trip and I can't get sick, like I've done 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.760 so many little quick trips to New York where I'm like, fuck, 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.760 I just got sick on that flight. Now I'm kind 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.120 of like my baby shower for Rosie in New York, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.120 I was like sick the whole time because I'd gotten 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.400 sick on the flight. So I don't know flights, I 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.800 might keep them on, but a lot of people are pissed. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.559 I'm seeing a lot of epidemiologists on the old Twitter. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.720 They're mad, They're like, we shouldn't be doing. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.760 This, but of course they're mad, and this is my thing. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.920 It's like, I don't want to wear a mask. We've 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.080 I've been very clear. I do not love it as 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.480 as much as all of you. I've gone to concerts 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.440 and all of that, but like the celebrating, but also 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.400 just like, so you want to be in a little 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:22.480 tube for six plus hours with no mask with strangers, Like, 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.080 how do you know someone's not flying with COVID and 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.320 doesn't give a shit? Like, yeah, you don't know. You're 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.160 gonna trust these lunatics I've seen, haven't you seen the 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.160 photos of people with their toes? But moving through the 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.359 movie screen, it's like people. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.360 Are absolutely unhinged on flights, Like it's gonna be You're 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.040 gonna get sneezed on now now that the masks are gone. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.480 But I think my problem with this decision too, is 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.360 that it was handed down by this judge in Florida 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.640 who's some thirty five year old woman who's not has 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:51.800 zero trial experience. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.240 She was appointed by Trump. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.240 She's a full like you know, hardcore Republican who like 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:00.599 loves DeSantis, and she in her decision and was like, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.040 masks don't do anything. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:02.880 It's like, it's okay. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.400 I think it's okay to say numbers are down. Maybe 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.200 we're at a place where now it can be an option. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.719 It's not a public health crisis anymore. That's like one 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.840 thing to say that, it's another thing to say masks 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.600 don't do anything. And the mask mandate was stupid from 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.040 the beginning, Like that's what this woman is saying, and 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:20.199 that's to me bullshit. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.240 I also don't understand how but this keeps happening. It's 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.000 like the Mitch McConnell of it all, Like how is 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.959 one person ruining our lives? 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.200 That's what a lot of people were asking on Twitter too. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.400 They were like, how is one judge from Florida making 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.280 this decision? I don't really get how that gets to happen. 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.040 I don't either. This is not about masks. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.839 But I follow a tattoo artist and her partner on Instagram. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.680 I follow them. I have tattoos by her Emily Malice. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:46.120 Uh huh. 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.040 They were staying at a hotel and across from them 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.600 in a building there was a man playing a snare drum. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.800 From one to four in the morning, and they were like, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.079 what the fuck? And then her partner posted that it's 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.240 like an extortion tactic and people will play music outside 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:03.760 and be like, if you give me four hundred dollars, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.520 I'll stop playing. And and he's by a hotel, so 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.720 then it's like people might be more frivolous to spend 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.600 money or their vacationing or a business trip the hotel. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.720 They might have to people scream down to the hotel 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.720 and say, hey, get rid of this person or all. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:19.800 But can't they call the cops? 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.640 I mean, I'm not I don't like, I don't advocate 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.120 calling the cops on like non violent criminals really, but like, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.160 can't you threaten to call the cops and they'll get 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:27.079 you for a noise complaint? 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.959 I don't know. Yeah, I have no idea, but I 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.760 guess because they were like, what the fuck, why is 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.720 he doing this? And they did some research or someone 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.800 let them know that it's an extortion tactic. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:38.600 Wow, to just. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.360 People finding out tonight? People finding out new ways to 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:42.400 make money all the time. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:42.760 Huh. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.800 Well, I you know, I stayed in a luxurious hotel 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.280 for a few days while I was here, in New 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.200 York and I paid a little extra for a city 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.839 view room. And I got to the room and it 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.720 was truly looked at a building and I couldn't believe 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.199 I was this person. But I called and I go, honey, no, no, no, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.240 no no, I'm either getting some discounted or you got 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:02.240 to give me a city view. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:03.360 Are you fucking kidding me? 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:03.760 Yeah? 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.200 And the staff was incredible. They were like the best people. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.679 I really like loved everyone that worked there. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:10.559 But they moved me. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.679 But then it was a city view of Brooklyn, and 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.240 I'm like this language, this is a trick. Yeah, this 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.240 is a trick. I'm in New York. You know what 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:18.800 I want to look at? Okay, you know what I 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.600 want to see it night? You know what fantasy I'm 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.439 trying to create for myself? How dare you make me 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.920 look at Brooklyn? But it was pretty, but I did 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:31.320 feel tricked and did not love that. Did we talk 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:32.959 about our hotel that we stayed at in Portland. We 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:33.720 loved that hotel. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:35.000 It was really awesome. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.360 In the bar was grabbing the bar servers were really 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.200 weird and I think you'd left already. But I had 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.240 a Gatorade bottle with me. I was like whatever, I 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.120 ordered drinks like everything was fine, but I had a 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.120 Gatorade bottle with me and one of the servers came 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.280 up to me and goes, is that your gatorade? 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.400 And I went yeah, and he goes, can you put 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.280 it underneath the table? And I was like okay. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.800 But then Julia, our friend, mentioned like, of course it's 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.800 my gatorade. Why are you approaching me this way? No, 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.080 it's not fine. I'm just hugging it with my hold 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.800 gatorade for a stranger. It was just such an asshole 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.720 move to be like is this your Gatorade? And it's like, yeah, 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.800 I'm holding it, but I'm also staying here and I 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:11.880 don't know why you're treating me. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.760 Like shit, but yeah, Like if you're staying, if it's 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.160 a hotel bar, it's like it's an extension of where 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.080 you're staying. Like I wouldn't walk into like a nice 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.480 restaurant with a gatorade, but like the hotel bar where 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:23.360 you're staying at the end. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.280 It's it's midnight, it's like the end of the night. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.160 Well come on, and like Kara says, I love that shit. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.480 If I see a white glacier cherry Gatorade zero. There's 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.800 no way I'm not buying it. But also you didn't 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.960 know this, Like I ordered drinks, put my card down, 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:39.480 and then you came and I wanted to run with 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.520 you back up to the room to like just gossip 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.079 and look through our presence. But they thought something was 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:45.959 wrong with me, and they kept asking our friends, like 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.360 what's wrong with her? Is everything okay? Is everything okay? 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.360 And they just like didn't trust me for some reason 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.360 because I just ran up to change and gossip with you. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.440 They were like suspicious of me, and I guess they 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.440 like didn't trust me or something because I ran up 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.319 and it's like I don't know what you want from me. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:02.280 That is weird. 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.880 Oh, speaking of the gifts, though, I would like to 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.079 say thank you to the woman who gave me and 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.559 Lisa both these cute little pouches that say, forget being 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.199 a princess, I want to be Olivia Benson. Rosie is 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.720 now using it to keep all her gems in gems 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.959 that Lisa has given her and I've given her, so 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.480 now she has this cute little Benson bag of gems. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.000 Also, I did wear the underwear of that listener gave 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.439 you too. She said it wasn't weird, and we're like, 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.800 this is weird, but it was. It was almost wrapped 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.760 up plastic when we opened it, like it was fully 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.360 wrapped in packaging. And I washed it obviously before I 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:36.760 wore it. But they were very comfortable. 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.880 And another shout out to the Denver person who gave 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.360 Rosie her drag squash mollow. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.079 She shows it to everyone that comes into her house 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:43.800 and is obsessed. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.640 And all the gifts that you guys have given us 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.280 have been so beautiful, but I really wanted to thank 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:49.199 you guys for the pouch. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.480 Well you know what else in that pouch there was 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.880 a pink like squashy oh. I came it to Rosie, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:56.360 I know, because you were like, what am I going 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:57.920 to buy her? I have to bring her something? And 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.480 I actually forgot to text you, but I took a 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.320 photo of my there's a toy in here for her. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.000 No, and I went and I for I remembered as 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:05.960 I was walking up to my gate, I go, fuck, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.720 I didn't get her anything. So then I'm there considering 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.640 buying her this Delta plane that like makes noise, and 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.280 I was like, I can't this will ruin my life. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.559 So I ended up buying her one of those magic 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.320 marker books where like the marker like makes the pictures 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:19.840 show up that you give to a kid to like 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:21.320 busy their time on the plane. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:22.840 And then as I get home, I'm like, I had 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.280 a toy with me the whole damn time. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.000 But that's okay. She got two she got two presents. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.120 But that was cute too. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.600 You guys are always thinking about my kids and helping 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:31.440 me be a better mom. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.880 What else? That's it? I mean, you get started. We 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.000 should definitely get started. It is a great episode. I 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.560 went on a terrible date on Sunday. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.240 You cannot say, let's get started, and then I went 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:46.120 on a terrible date. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.720 Liza, do you want to talk about it or do 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:49.920 you want to tell me off camera? 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:55.640 It's gonna be a cliffhanger for next week? You do 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:56.640 you think anybody does? 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.040 I'm gonna listen this week, and they're not coming back 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.560 next week. I hope you guys come back every week. Jeez, 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.240 let's kick off this episode. It's an awesome episode, and 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:11.160 we will don't go anywhere. We'll be right here, all. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.960 Right, everybody, buckle up. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:19.280 We are doing Intoxicated, Season six, episode nineteen. We open 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.440 on a couple rolling around under a floral comforter and 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.240 you can tell it's a teens room. There's like oversized 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.960 like lip kiss behind her and stuff like that. And 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.720 then right away in walks the one and only Kathy Moriarty, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.920 a true like hero of mine from the movie Soap Dish. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.000 But I'm a cheerleader, and she is like in the 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.560 middle of lecturing her kid for skipping school. But then 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.680 she opens the door and sees that they're naked embed 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:44.960 and screams, oh my god. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.480 And that was a good impression. We also wanted to 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.320 say it is cool that we each are obsessed with Kathy, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.440 but in different ways totally different movies. Yeah, and we 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.000 have not seen the opposite movie. Yes, so I think 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.920 this is a room for a slumber party. Yes, for sure, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.280 I'm We're having a Kathy Moriarty theme slumber party. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:04.880 I need to see. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.160 But I'm ature leader, like very badly because it's a 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.400 total blind spot that I haven't And Lisa's never seen 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.840 soap Dish, which I think that she would truly love. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.440 Andrew Paul's in this one, and your's a star studded. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.160 But yeah, it was a great impression. She plays a 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.880 great wild woman and I can't wait to well, I 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.480 know what happens, but keep it going. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.560 Well, So now we finally see this horny little couple 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.000 go out from under the covers and the daughter is 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.960 Danielle Panabaker, and it's like thirty seconds into the episode 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:32.240 and we're already getting two stars. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:33.680 Wait, how do you know Danielle. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.840 Danielle Panabaker's from tons of stuff, Like my husband watches 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.640 her in the flash, but I think she's wait, wait 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.440 one minute, let me just it's not just some IMDb. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.240 Here, because she is, like you were a star studded. 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.600 I'm like, I've never heard of this woman, Amo you haven't. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.320 Oh my gosh, she has three point eight million followers 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:51.920 on Instagram. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.920 Wow, I mean, I've to me she she had the 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.880 potential of like a Lily Reinhart moment where it's like, oh, 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.720 a popular white teen from the high school musical, you know, 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.800 something like that. But like that's what I assumed. She 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.119 was a team star. But who you're She's a legit 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:11.120 bona fide working out well, She's literally worked a bunch 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.040 and then did us for you. And then after like 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:16.960 she was a regular on. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.480 A show called Necessary Roughness, which I think was on USA, 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.280 but then also Justified. She was in a bunch of 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:23.400 episodes of Justified. 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:24.720 She's on Arrow. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.600 She plays this character named Caitlin slash Killer Frost on 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.000 Arrow and The Flash, and so I've seen it because 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:32.240 Jared watches The Flash. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.000 Well I be yeah, so I'm sure she's doing the 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:36.159 superhero circuit. 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.520 Yes, and she also she also guests in Supergirl, so 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.919 I bet she knows our our man Chadlow who's directed 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:44.240 Supergirl and is in Supergirl. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.920 So yeah, she is like well known I think for 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.960 like the CW crowd not to know. There was no 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.040 shade thrown at Danielle. You just real you just didn't 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.600 ye star studded, and I was like, you gotta well, 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:57.200 I wrote. 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.720 So many stars thirty seconds in like thirty seconds and 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.560 we're eating like the two big stars of the show, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.959 and there's like all this there's this generic Foo Fighter's 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.159 music playing behind them, and the mom is yelling at 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.080 them like what did he do to you? And it's 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.080 like very clearly it's consensual sex here, Like what's the 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.680 issue going on here? And the guy wants to bolt, 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:16.760 and the mom's like, I don't think so, and grabs 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:18.840 his clothes and walks out of the room and it's 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.600 like very it's very like I think it's Kathy. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:22.840 Moriarty heightened sass. 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:25.960 And then the next scene is like a regular cop 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.160 walking Benson and Stabler through the whole situation. 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.720 He's like, her name is Carrie Eldridge, she's locked in 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:31.160 her room. 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.440 She's crying that he's her boyfriend, but her mom's calling 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.720 it a rape, and Stabler's like, you guys couldn't taken 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.520 care of this, like come on, and they're like, we 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.960 hear the R word we're supposed to call you, Like, 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.520 I mean, I just love how it's very like, okay, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.160 panty police is here, you know. And so the mom 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:47.680 is there and she's like, why don't you just break 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.320 down the door. I caught this man raping my daughter. 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.119 And Olivia's like did she say she was raped? 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:54.000 Like what's going on? 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.879 Like, you know, we can't press charges over sex that 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.480 was consensual. And then she drops the box, which is 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.520 he's twenty one, she's fifteen, and listen, that's not great. 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.600 That is not a great age difference, you know, I 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.680 don't love that. I mean, Danielle Panabaker definitely looks older. 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.160 I'm sure is older, but it's like, not in this context, 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.959 that's not a good look for this boy whose name 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.399 is Justin. And then they somehow get Kathy Moriarty, the 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.639 mom named whose name is Denise in this episode. They 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.280 get Denise to go down to the precinct and give 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.040 a statement, and that kind of allows Benson to, you know, say, Carrie, 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.560 come on, open the doors, Detective Benson, I'm your friend. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.600 And then Carrie's like, Justin and I were just kissing, 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:34.920 and Justin has disappeared. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:36.320 He's gone out the window somewhere. 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.800 Stabler goes outside and finds him shivering underneath a blanket, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.760 naked on the roof, and he's like a million in 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:44.240 trouble and. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.080 He's like, are you twenty one? So he's arrested, baby, 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.920 and then it's the credits. But he does look like 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.439 an upstanding citizen, you know what I mean. He doesn't 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.880 seem like a dirt bag, right, So that's what makes 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.520 all of this so tough and gray and sv you worthy. 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:01.399 Yes, And also I think that they try to make 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.080 that like a little bit clear at the beginning, because 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.159 at the very beginning, when they're like canoodling under the. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.639 Covers, it's like, you're so beautiful, I love you. Like 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.840 they're very loving. It's not like a it doesn't seem 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.960 like a, oh, I'm just gonna like molest this little 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.920 girl and then bounce. But who knows men are wild? 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.680 So Olivia now has Carrie an interrogation and she's just 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.120 still claiming that they're kissing, and then Justin's was stabler. 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.679 It's the classic gender divide interrogation, and they're both denying 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.600 that any sex happened. And then they're doing a little 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.560 bit of like a Romeo and Juliet moment where he's 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:34.800 yelling through the wall like. 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.960 I love you Carrie, and she's like, Justin, it's very 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:39.760 you know, it's very CW. I'm loving it. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.800 And then Daddy Craigan is talking to Denise the mom 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.280 and she doesn't get what Carrie sees in this kid, 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.240 and he Craigan's like, what about her dad? And she's like, 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.879 Carrie's dad bolted the second I told him I was pregnant, 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:54.879 and she doesn't want that to happen to Carrie, and 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.159 she thinks all justin wants a sex so you're not 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:01.639 like jection, Yeah, you can tell she's got baggage about it. 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.280 But also it's like, I would be nervous if Rosie 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.439 was fifteen dating a twenty one year old. I wouldn't 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:06.760 be happy. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.640 I don't know that I would be bringing the authorities 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:14.080 into it, but I wouldn't be excited. And then Craigan's like, 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.160 have you guys ever discussed counseling? And Denise's like, Carrie 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.120 refuses to go. But then we switched scenes to Carrie going, 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.840 my mom flipped out when I even suggested counseling. So 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.160 you get this idea that someone's not really fully telling 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.680 the truth, like someone's an unreliable narrator here. And then 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.600 Carrie asks Olivia, like I heard about this kid who 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.560 was able to divorce his parents, and she's like, yeah, 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:38.720 that's called emancipation. 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.680 You know you'd have to she should hit up Stevie 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:47.160 Lynn Jones, Yeah, about how to be an independent teen 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.440 an independent teen woman who I think has a good 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.399 relationship with her parents but just want to be an 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.960 independent kid long hours. 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:59.920 Yeah, She's like, abuse my labor restrictions. So she explains that, 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.199 you know, you can't really just get emancipated. Your mom 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.040 has to give up parental rights or you have to 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.120 be like living on your own and supporting yourself. It's 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.240 not quite as easy as just like peace out mom. 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.560 So Carrie is like, I love justin I'm not just 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.040 running away from my mommy issues. 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:14.320 I swear like war in love. 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.720 And then Benson calls them Romeo and Juliet, and Stabler's like, yeah, 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.919 but Juliet's too young and Romeo's too old, and it's like, actually, Stabler, 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.399 I don't think you've ever read Shakespeare. Juliet is actually 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:29.320 thirteen in Romeo is sixteen, so you're wrong. But I 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.280 don't know how much Shakespeare they're getting over at, you know, 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.080 Bayside whatever high school he went to on Staten Island 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.680 or Queens Where does he go to school? Queen's So anyway, 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.480 Cragan's like, there's no rape case here if they're both 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.760 denying that sex happened, And suddenly we hear we hear 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.800 Kathy Moriarty's like unmistakable voice being like Carrie, Carrie, did 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.080 you tell them? And she's walking down the stairs from 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.040 the the upstairs of the precinct just screaming at her daughter, 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:58.800 who's on the lower floor, as if there's not a 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.960 full room of cops trying to do their jobs below, 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.120 and she's making a huge scene and Carrie's like, mom, 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.719 please be quiet, like please chill out, like let's talk 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.480 about this outside, and she's like you better stop seeing 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:13.440 him and he and then Denise calls Carrie an ungrateful 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:17.040 little slut and she tells Benson and Stable she wants 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.320 just in charge for the crime. But they're like, we 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.119 need either a statement from Carrie or medical evidence. And 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.000 she's like medical evidence, how do I get that? And 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:25.399 it's like you need to go to the hospital and 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.040 get a rape kit and Carrie clearly does not want this, 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.879 and Olivia tells Denise, you can't force her to do this, 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:35.520 and she's like, I'm her mother, watch me whoa very intense. 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:38.639 So she's gonna like force her daughter to get a 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:40.639 rape kit. It's really yikes. 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.080 And so they're at Bellevue now with surferdo doctor who 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.600 we've seen before, this man who I do not think 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:48.879 fits in as a Bellevue doctor, but that's just me. 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.200 And he's explaining like a rape kit to Carrie. He's like, 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:54.359 we're gonna swab you for you know, DNA, and if 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:56.320 we find any of his semen inside of you, then 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:59.000 like that's proof that sex happened. And she's like, but 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:01.320 I said it didn't have and doesn't that count for anything? 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:03.760 And they're like, not really actually, because your mom is nuts. 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.840 And so just when they're about to start in walks 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:11.240 Glenn Headley an actress that I have been obsessed with 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.879 for like my entire life. She is from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.520 which is one of my all time favorite movies. Lisa, 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:19.280 I just discovered this about her. I didn't even know 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.240 she was married to John Malkovich. Wow, and I know 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.200 you're a fan. And then she divorced him after he 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.680 had an affair with Michelle Feiffer while making dangerous liaisons. Wait, 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.359 what isn't that wild Hollywood goss? 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:32.720 That is so good? 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.159 I can't So this affair is confirmed, and it's like 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:36.359 out there, it was on with. 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:39.399 It was on Wikipedia, and then there were all these like, 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:41.320 you know, it's on her Wikipedia that she was married 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.879 to John Malkovich and then they like and it's crazy 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.400 because she was in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. And I think 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:48.840 like nineteen eighty eight, and that was the same year 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.439 as this like affair and everything. So just as her 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.040 star is exploding, she finds out her husband's cheating and 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.560 I love her so much and I was so I 0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:59.480 was actually like very devastated. She died in twenty seventeen 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.440 at sixteen, and I was like very very sad when 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.119 she passed away. I just have always thought she was 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:05.080 such a great actress. 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.360 Well, so what year was that movie, because now I'm 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.800 I want to know when Michelle Pfeifer was already married, 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.159 And it says she married David E. Kelly in nineteen 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:12.800 ninety three. 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:14.879 Yeah, so I think this was late eighties, So I 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:16.879 don't think she was yeah, yeah, because she's been with 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:17.240 David E. 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:21.440 Kelly forever. Yeah, and they're like a very talented little duo. Yeah, 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.160 they're like a hot Hollywood couple first and she's well, 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.480 so you know, they're the movie game that I love, 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.800 where like we all go in a circle and we 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.600 list as many whatever. I got made fun of because 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.920 during Doug Love's movies one time, the only Harrison Ford 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:41.760 movie I knew was What Lies Beneath And so before 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.680 we started playing the circle game. Someone was like, I 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.679 just want to clarify. She only knows Harrison Ford from 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.400 what Lies Beneath before we play this game. She does 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.200 not know that movie Just you Know is one of 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.960 the great nineties thrillers, unless those in the two thousands. 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:59.280 But I love I love John Malcovich, I love Glenn Hedley, 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.399 and I have David E. Kelly, and I just I 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:04.359 love that you uncovered all of this. 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.719 I had no idea, and I'm like a very I'm 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.600 like an old Glenn Headley fan, and I just did 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.120 not know she was married to John Malkovich. 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:13.320 So I love this goss and arrested and he. 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.120 Does look like a cheater. I heard he's an asshole. 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:17.120 I do I have heard. 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.400 Well, it was funny because all of the site sources 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.360 that were cited on Wikipedia were like I'm John Malkovich, 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.440 I do what I want or whatever, like I didn't 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.159 actually get to read all of them, but it was 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.200 like seemed like it was, you know, confirming it. 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.520 Yeah. But and all of his characters are like very cocky. 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.200 Yeah yeah, he plays cocky, know it all very very 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.080 well for sure, for sure. 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.200 So she breezes in Glenn Hedley and tells everyone she 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.679 carries attorney Simone Bryce and that this rape kit ain't happening, 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.200 and Denise is pissed. She's like, she doesn't have a lawyer, 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.000 and she tells Simone to shut up, and Benson goes, 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.400 take your daughter home, and she's like, my daughter's been violated. 0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:54.320 Whose side are you on? 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.240 And Benson just like takes a second and goes hers 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.040 and it's like a very classic Benson Burne that I love. 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.480 And yeah, so this lawyer kind of showed up just 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:07.720 in the nick of time. Back at the precincts, Elliot 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:09.840 and Olivia are kind of arguing over the ethics of 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.560 the whole thing as they are wont to do. Olivia 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:15.119 wants what's best for Carrie, but Elliot's like, yeah, but 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:16.719 it is a crime, Like we got to go buy 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.280 the book. And Olivia just thinks the mom is using 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.520 the cops to control her daughter, and would you do 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:23.600 that to your daughters, like put them down on a 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:27.480 medical table and like have their legs spread open forcibly. 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.000 To have a test like this done. And he's like, 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.080 my daughters have nothing to do with this, and it's 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.400 just a you know, the classic tense back and forth 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.159 between them. Well, yeah, I like that. 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:36.119 It's convenient. 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.239 It's not about your daughters unless you want to make 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.840 it about your kids that we always do. All right, 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.840 it's so true, that's so true. It's like, yeah, then 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:45.920 my daughter's nothing to do with this. 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:47.919 And then he's like, I'm a father of five kids, 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.320 like and then it's relevant, you know, whenever he says. 0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.600 But Craigan arrives and he's got a stern Olivia my 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:57.359 office and it's like ret row, Daddy is pissed, so 0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.720 we are in trouble. And he's like, Denise has gone 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:02.680 to one PP to say that you talked her daughter 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.280 out of a rape kit, and Craigan's like, it's kind 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.639 of funny how this child's writes attorney showed up just 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:09.760 at the nick of time. And Olivia's like, yeah, I'm 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.399 the one who called her. And she doesn't like how 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:14.879 Denise humiliated carry in front of the whole squad with 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.560 the screaming, and Craigan is on team Denise. He's like, 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:20.120 she believes a crime has been perpetrated on her daughter 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:22.320 and we have to investigate that, like that's literally what 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:26.080 we do. And Olivia calls Denise a fruitcake and Stabler goes, well, 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.280 dessert is served, and then he moves out of the way, 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.080 and we see Denise as standing in the precinct, you know. 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:32.320 Ready to rock again. 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.919 And she comes in locked and loaded with these jizzed 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.960 on sheets and a comforter and she's like, I've also 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.760 got all these emails from Carrie to Justin and they're like, okay, 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:43.880 but does this say anything about sex and she's like. 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:45.480 No, but it's a proof of a relationship. 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.160 And they're like, we can't, like this comforter is not 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.120 the smoking gun that you think it is, and she's like, 0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.520 but his fluids are probably everywhere and it's like yeah, 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:55.400 but they have to actually be on or inside of 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:59.080 Carrie to charge for this rape. And they can charge 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.920 for in danger the welfare of a minor, but Craigan 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.240 said that's a weak case and the DA might not prosecute, 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:05.520 and she's like, well, I guess I'm gonna have to 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.000 talk to the DA. She is like truly a Karen 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.560 of Karen's, like, she keeps moving up. She's already gone 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.920 to one PP and now she's going to the Eightya. 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:15.240 She's like, I'll talk to whever I have to fucking 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.080 talk to so that this kid does not sleep with 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.280 my daughter again. So they go talk to Novak and 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:22.600 she's like, thanks for sending Denise my way. She blew 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:24.840 in here with her shopping bag of soiled linens and 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.560 wanted me to arrest you guys for not arresting Justin, 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:29.880 And they're like, well, what are you gonna do? And 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.720 she's like, yeah, you guys need to let Denise know 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.520 that if, like, unless she has like photographic evidence, I'm 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:38.120 not prosecuting Justin for this. So everybody's kind of on 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.360 Justin's side, it feels like, except for Craigan, who's with Denise. 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.640 So they go to Denise's apartment to kind of break 0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:47.480 the news to her that they're not going to press charges. 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:49.440 Don't know why this couldn't be a phone call, and 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.520 a neighbor leans out of the window and. 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:53.680 Is like, are you the police? I called an hour 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.840 ago about the ruckus from the apartment upstairs, Like he's 0:29:57.040 --> 0:30:00.959 very dramatic, this this actor, and they're like, uh oh, 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:02.880 a ruckus. So they rush upstairs. 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.080 They find the apartment door open, there's blood spatter all 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.400 over the wall, and then dunt On Denise is lying 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.200 dead in the kitchen in a pool of blood, and 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.360 then Stabler just goes Romeo and Julia kill themselves, not 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:16.160 their parents. 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:21.960 End of act one. Wow, Wow, any thoughts before we 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.480 keep going. I'm just sad we're not going to see 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:29.960 where Kathy Moore are. Honestly, it's like obviously in the episodes, 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.040 not as true. That is not as fun. 0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.240 Denise, but she comes in. 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.400 I wanted to see her in court, babe, you know, 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.600 I wanted to see her slap Novak across the face, 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.560 spit on a judge, like I had a whole fantasy 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:44.000 built in. 0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.840 But she's great because she's so funny, but she also 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:51.560 can be so villainous, Like she's a really versatile lady. 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.240 Very versatile. But you know, obviously this AD's to the 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.000 to the episode. We want a dead body ten minutes in. 0:30:58.120 --> 0:30:59.400 Obviously it's true. 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.680 So now next scene, we've got our Cudio Haller in there. 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:04.920 He's like, I found the murder weapon. It's a big 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.200 ass lamp and we found it in the incinerator room. 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.040 And Warner is there too, and she's like her skull 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.440 was cracked wide open, Like this was not like an 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.040 oops a daisy fall like she got fully attacked. They're 0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.760 still looking for missing pieces of her skull. She had 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.240 five blows to the head, plus wounds to her torso 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.560 and extremities. She's been dead for two hours tops, so 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:28.560 Olivia Buston and she's like, Carrie school said she was 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.520 in homeroom this morning and now they're looking for her. 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:32.960 Justin's not scheduled to work today, and they find a 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:34.880 men's coat on the bed and they're like, it's got 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.720 to be Justin's. So then Benson a stabler get called 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:39.760 to the scene of like a car theft where the 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:43.440 suspects fit Carrie and Justin's description. This young mom is 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.000 sitting there with her kid and she's like, I was 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:46.040 putting my baby in the car. 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:47.640 They took my car. 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.560 The guy had blood on his shirt and the girl 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.720 was screaming, please don't take me, we have to go back, etc. 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.880 And then suddenly the anti crime unit radios them and goes, 0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.120 we just spotted the car, and then Ben's and his 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.160 stabler are like, don't engage, we're on our way. 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:05.840 But also now we learn that she was right. I 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:09.920 guess Justin did suck like she's dead in a pile 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.960 of blood, like, I guess she was onto something. Well 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.240 that's what we think, yeah, for sure. And you know, 0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.520 also like carjacking a young mom seems like not a 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:24.000 great move either, I mean, you know. But so the 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:25.440 anti crime unit's bout of the car. 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:28.360 They stopped this Volvo station Wagon and in the front 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:31.000 seat is a couple that could easily be Carrie and Justin, 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:34.000 but isn't that they're like lookalikes kind of, And the 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.600 guy says, oh, whoa my friend Justin and I just 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.680 switched cars. He's like, he's in my car, a ninety 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.480 nine Mitsubishi that's silver. And they're like, is this your phone? 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:45.640 And he's like, no, it's also Justin's phone. We switched 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.520 phones too, Like what are you talking about? And he's like, oh, 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.600 because he only has local service. And I actually do 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:55.760 remember that my first like singular wireless phone had only Connecticut, 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.400 Massachusetts and like Rhode Island, Like if I went into 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.280 New York City, I was roaming, so I have been 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.440 there before where I would probably have to switch phones 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.920 with someone if I was going to plan a getaway. 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.760 So the last person that the phone called was Simone Bryce. 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.320 So now Olivia is talking to her and she's like, 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.240 I'm not giving up any information to you. You know, 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.800 it's all privileged, bitch, and Olivia is like and. 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.960 She seems stoned as fuck, like the whole time, she's 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.960 so relaxed, just like Olivia, you know, I can't do that. Yeah, 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.440 I don't know. She's that's like her acting style too, 0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:27.400 which I kind of like. 0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:31.280 So it's just like very chill, and she like, Olivia 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.600 is like, you're obstructing justice. And Simone's like, Olivia, you 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:36.440 don't even know that I know anything, so you know, 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.200 I'm not obstructing shit, and Olivia's like, fuck, you got me, 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.960 And so Novak confirms what she's talking about. She's like, 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.920 she cannot break privilege unless Carrie calls her and says 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:48.959 I've been kidnapped. Like so Olivia is like, well, then 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:52.320 sebpoena Simone's phone records, and Casey's considering it, and then 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.680 she's like, well, actually her conversations are privileged, but the 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.920 numbers of the incoming calls are not privileged. So now 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:00.800 we're at Taru with our our buddy Joel de la 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.440 Fuente aka Rubin Morales, and he's telling them about how 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:06.520 the phone company's in the process of dumping the phones, 0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.280 and meanwhile they're checking out the texts from Justin's phones, 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:13.400 and Justin's phone has texts that say Justin saying we 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.000 should move in together, and Carrie's saying over my mother's 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:16.560 dead body. 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:17.319 Done. 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.520 Done. So then they're like, oh, right, done, But let's 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.759 not pretend that's not a saying. It's not what I 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:22.800 mean exactly. 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.160 Olivia's like it was Carrie's idea, and it's like, don't 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:26.040 jump to conclusions. 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.640 That's literally a saying for sure, that does it. 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:30.160 I don't think that would hold up in court as 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.520 like a full like murder plot is a one text 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:40.680 that says that colloquialism. So then the info comes into 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:43.279 Taru and he's like, okay, here's we call the phone 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.200 three times, here's where it's been paying one is like Katona. 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:47.920 I like know where these places are because it's kind 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:48.720 of near where I grew. 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:52.160 Up Katona, and then another place upstate, and then finally 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.279 they they realize that they're basically just headed upstate, so 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:56.719 they find this local. 0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:00.399 Payphone where they made a phone call from. I don't 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.200 know how they found the payphone but anyway, the local 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.360 cop shows up and helps them out a little. You 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:07.840 don't think in season six there are payphones. 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.160 No, no, no, there were payphones. But I just don't 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:11.759 know how they knew that they made a phone call 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.000 from a payphone. Oh, because it was to Simone's self. Sorry, 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.200 it was to Simone's thing. That's how they found out 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.240 they were making a call from a payphone to Simone 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:20.239 and it was in this town. They go to this 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.880 little town. The local cop like tries to help them out. 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.120 He's like, I showed up, but they're long gone. And 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.280 then they're like, let's go to the town's tiny restaurant, 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:28.320 see if they know anything. 0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:32.520 Like it's very funny to me, like just separate fork 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.120 in the case where they're like, let's go check out 0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.640 this tavern. And they show a picture to the owner 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.040 and he's like Justin, and he tells them he knows 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.279 Justin's family. He used to work at that restaurant. He's 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.520 got a family house up there, Ding ding ding. So 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.000 they go and they find Justin's family's cabin. They surrounded, 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.719 it's snowy. They both come out of the cabin, Carrie 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.320 and Justin, and then they arrest Justin for kidnapping. So 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.800 everybody's safe and sound, but what will happen now? So 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:58.480 they have Justin an interrogation. 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.919 They slap down a couple of risly photos of Denise's murder. 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:06.960 He is being represented by Hattie, Trevor Langan, mister Hargateay 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:10.279 and Stabler's all up in Justin's face and he just 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.680 keeps like, very calmly, being like I did not do it, 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.360 like I did not kill this person. And then Craigan's like, 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.239 so was it Carrie's idea? And he goes, no, it 0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:22.000 was her lawyers, So what was her lawyer's idea? 0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:23.440 Murder? Like what you know? 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:27.240 It's very uh, what's going on? Simone getting more involved? 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:32.000 So now Olivia is talking to Carrie and Simone, who's like, yeah, 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:35.160 I told her emancipation is easier if the parents are 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:38.279 dead and there's no guardian. I wasn't suggesting she murder 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.840 her mother. And Carrie is like not budging. She's like, 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.000 I love Justin. He's all I have. I will not 0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.520 say that he did anything. So now they are kind 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.560 of at an impasse. This is a little bit like 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.879 the ident What happened in Identity it's like, you can't 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:52.880 say which one of them did it, So I guess 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.279 it would be double jeopardy if you charged one of 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.439 them and then found out it was the other one. 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:01.080 So anyway, but you know, there's like laws where if 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.360 you're in the room and a crime takes place and 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:06.840 you didn't stop it, you will be charged like you 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.759 did it. You don't even have to be holding the knife, Like, 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.880 if you're there not stopping it, you are held responsible. 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:14.520 I mean, I think Trump just put a guy to 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.680 death who was involved in a really grizzly murder, but 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:18.640 he didn't murder anyone. 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.239 He was just there and this guy just got the 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:21.880 death penalty. 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:26.759 But anyway, Novak is like, listen, if Carrie doesn't give 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.799 up what happened, the case against Justin is totally circumstantial. 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.080 She's like, what I would love if you guys have 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.680 a second is those bloody clothes. And they're like, yeah, 0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.520 those could be anywhere from like here to fucking Syracuse, 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:39.279 Like we have no idea where those bloody clothes are. 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:41.799 And then they're like, why don't you talk to Carrie 0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.480 and Justin's like work friends and people in their lives 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.200 and see if they can fight it in anyone. So 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.640 now they're at Carrie's high school and the principal is like, 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.000 no one saw carry after second period, but you know, 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.080 she has been having a lot of problems. She's been 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:58.480 absent a lot, falling asleep in class, trouble focusing, and 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.759 Finn is like, sounds like drugs to me, and she's like, no, 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.680 her mom had her tested, which is yeah, obvious, she's 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.880 like a full warden. And she's like everything came back negative. 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:09.520 And they're like, what are you going to be a 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.480 full warden? I don't think so I'm going to try 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:13.840 to be more chill because I think when you're a 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:16.080 warden it just makes kids rebell even harder. 0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:16.400 You know. 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.759 Yeah, I'm gonna be like, let's smoke a thing together. No, 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:24.280 I'm kidding, Jared would kill you. Oh my god, digrettes 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:26.880 with Rosie if he came home and Rosie and I 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.439 were just like gabbing around an ashtray. Oh my god, 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.680 I don't even smoke everybody. I'm just saying we would 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:36.520 all be taking the stand. And yeah, in a murder trial, yes, 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.360 on a last would be called to testify. 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:42.680 Okay. 0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.799 So they're like Okay, what about her friends? What's what's 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.560 Carrie's like social stitch about? And they're like, she doesn't 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.399 really have any She doesn't have any friends. She also 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:51.359 didn't have a winter coat. 0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.080 And one of the teachers centered to my office recently 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:56.120 because her shoes were falling apart, and they they're like, 0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:57.640 did you tell her mom? And she's like, yeah, I 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.040 called her. She didn't really give a shit. 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.600 But when Carrie skipped school, Denny's fully flipped out and 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:05.160 sent a truant officer to the store where Justin works. 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.680 So it's weird where her priorities are. 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:09.319 She doesn't care for a daughter has a winter coat 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.600 in a New York winter, but does care that she's 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:13.200 hooking up with this boy who's older. 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.840 So also, our truant officer is the thing. 0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:19.239 I think. So I don't think we had them where 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:20.719 I grew up, but I think they exist in other 0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:25.279 places wild. Yeah, like people there, it's just their job 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.279 to like chase down kids that are. 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:27.760 Not in school. 0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:29.680 I don't know how that even works, but. 0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:33.240 I'm sure someone listening is like, my uncle's a truant 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:34.600 officer and we'd love to hear from you. 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:38.239 How does that work? And now they're at Justin's like 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.320 computer job. I can't tell if he works for like 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.440 Geek Squad or something comparable. It's like a computer job, 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:45.400 but you don't really see like what it is. 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.360 And the boss is telling the cops like, yeah, I 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:50.359 told Justin that Carrie's not allowed to be here when 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:52.200 she's skipping school, like I don't want trouble with the 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.759 truant officer and he says, you know what, Justin's a 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:55.280 hard worker. 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.319 He's great with the customers. He's always on time. 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.359 I would be promoting him, but he spends too much 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.520 time talking to Carrie on the webcam. And they're like, well, 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:06.080 what happened yesterday? And the guy says, he came in 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.640 at ten, he left at ten fifteen, he called back 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.200 at two o'clock and asked for the rest of the 0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:13.920 week off, so sketchy. And then they're like, do you 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:16.799 have those webcam conversations recorded? And he's like, yeah, they're 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.440 probably on our servers. So now we're seeing the webcam 0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:23.800 conversation and it's Carrie calling Justin and begging him to 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:24.160 come over. 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.960 She's like please, I need you, I need you come over. 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.720 It's very whiny, it kind of annoyed me, but she's 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.239 He's like, fine, I'm coming. So he hangs up, and 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.520 then when you wait a second on the video, you 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.800 see Carrie stand up and she's covered in blood on 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.840 her shirt. So the cops are like, oh shit, Carrie 0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.360 was there first, like Carrie was involved in this murder. 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.360 But Justin when he gets to the precinct, is completely 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:48.600 unwilling to give carry up in any way, even though 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.000 there's like full proof there, and his lawyer's like, dude, 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:52.360 they know that you're innocent. 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:54.719 This would be the time to talk. He's like, absolutely not. 0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:56.359 I will say nothing against my team. 0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:59.120 So maybe is a krimin. How does he know all this? 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.120 Maybe he's took a criminal justice class at the community college. 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.040 Because he is. He did have a whole plan set up. 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.560 He was very like, if we both don't talk, nothing 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.200 can happen, Like they can't accuse one. 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.719 Of us if we both don't talk. But yeah, they 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:15.840 got busted by this webcam. Shit, I don't know. She 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:17.120 probably should have just texted him. 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:22.160 So Carrie and Simone are in interrogation and Olivia is like, 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.399 your client has been lying, and she pretends like Justin 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:29.000 has flipped, even though he fully refused to flip. She's like, yeah, 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.520 Justin just told us everything. And she really turns the 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:34.239 screws on Carrie and is like, yeah, it's like you 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.279 know when Justin walks because you did everything, And she 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.640 confesses to everything, and her lawyer keeps telling her shut 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:42.160 the fuck up, shut the fuck up, and she's like, 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:43.279 I don't even care. 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.319 Justin doesn't love me anymore. Nothing's worth it. Just who 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.040 cares if I go to jail, I did it. I 0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:48.719 killed my mom. 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.799 So then they take her out, you know, in her handcuffs, 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:56.279 to go to probably just like a holding cell, and 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.880 they run into Justin, which is more of that hilarious 0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:02.600 TV magic that we see where suspects are always running 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:06.160 into each other in an open place, and Justin's like, 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.520 I never said anything. And then Carrie realizes that Olivia 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:11.640 straight up lied to her, and she like comes for 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.600 her and she keeps calling her, you lying bitch, Like 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:16.680 she calls her a lying bitch like three or four times, 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:17.560 and it's fun. 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.640 And her lawyer is like, yeah, that do that. I 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:22.319 told you to keep your mouth shut. 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:23.680 She's like, can the cops lie? 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:26.120 And she's like absolutely, and that's why I was telling 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:26.880 you to shut up. 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.880 And Olivia looks very shook, like because I think that 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:32.480 she was trying to look out for Carrie, and like, 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:36.120 now this girl is screaming bloody murder at her. So 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:39.880 the next scene, Olivia's in the precinct and Stabler's just 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:41.960 getting back from court and she's like, well, what happened, 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.880 And she's like, Carrie's been remanded to Bridges and they're like, 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:46.759 at least it's not Rikers. So that makes me feel 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.439 like maybe that's some kind of female facility or something. 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.040 I should probably look it up, but I haven't. And 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:55.120 then in walks Novak to tell them that Carrie is 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:59.400 pursuing a psych defense. She is claiming that pre menstrual 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:04.000 dysform disorder, also known as PMDD, is the cause of 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:08.680 what happened. And Stabler, you know, always a feminist, was like, oh, 0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:11.399 PMS made her do it, And then you know, Wog 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:13.880 pipes up with the actual facts and he's like, this. 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:14.880 Isn't about PMS. 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:19.200 Like women with PMDD actually do get severe headaches, depression, paranoia, 0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.880 and the headaches can even cause like hallucinations, and Olivia's 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.479 like it was definitely anger that made her kill her mom, 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:27.879 and she's like, so she's gonna just get off because 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:29.080 of this twinkie defense. 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:31.520 What's a twinkie defense? 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:32.000 I don't know. 0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:34.480 I fall like fluff full of fluff and cream I 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:37.440 guess never expires even in the apocalypse. 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.080 I don't know are Twinkie's good or not? Like, I 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:41.719 don't know, I can't find. 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.480 My thing is with the Twinkie is I do like 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.239 the Hostess cream because it's the same that goes into 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.759 the Black cupcakes that I like, and like all the 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:51.520 Devil Dogs and all the other well that's Drake's. 0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:52.200 But you know what I mean. 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.640 It's a good cream, but I don't like the sponge 0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:57.839 cake around it. I don't think that that's good. 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:01.520 Annalie sent to something. 0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:07.560 The twinkie defense is a derisive derisive. That's not a word. 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:12.160 It's a derisive label for an improbable legal defense. Derisive 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:13.960 is a word I've never heard. I keep wanting to 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:18.520 say divisive. It's kind of the same word. It is 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:22.720 not a recognized legal defense in jurisprudence, but a catch 0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:27.400 oh I'm gonna name my future Corgi jurisprudence, but a 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.000 catch all term coined by reporters during their coverage of 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:32.560 the trial of defendant Dan White for the murders. Oh 0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:36.920 my god, Harvey Milk, Oh my gosh, so Harvey Milts 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.040 killers said that he suffered diminished capacity as a result 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:43.480 of his depression, a system of which was a change 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:47.320 in diet from healthy food to twinkies and other sugary foods. 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:48.040 Oh so, it's. 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.520 Literally not even about defense. It's not even about twinkies 0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:52.320 being like fluff. 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:56.080 It's about this guy said eating twinkies made him depress, 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:58.480 Like eating twinkies in his depression made him kill. 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:02.839 Wow, I think you were just homophobic, sir. But oh yeah, 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.600 someone who eats when they're depressed, I'll tell you never 0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:12.319 once have I wanted a murder. If anything, I'm full 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:14.640 of love when I'm mean yeah food, Yeah, I'm like 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:21.399 laying and can't function. Wow, the tweaky defense is real cool. Well, 0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:23.560 I'm glad we got I'm glad that Ane's was able 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.120 to come in with the break. It's not a metaphor. 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.839 It's like legit, you know, Capit be there, Novac being 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.120 like actually in this case, blah blah blah blah blah. 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:34.160 You know, yeah, Chambers. 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:38.080 So Benson's all this twinkie defense and Novak's like, not 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.560 on my watch, Huang, get your ass in there and 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.800 examine her. So now she's having a Carrie's having a 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:48.280 session with Wong, and she's describing her migraine severe mood swings, 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:50.080 and she's like, I was always okay for like the 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.280 ten days after my period. There's always like a reprieve 0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.680 period in PMDD where you feel okay. And then like 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:58.600 when asked if she told her mom about it, she's like, 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:00.480 my mom said, I was being a drama queen. The 0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:02.279 doctor told me to take a muscle relax and in 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.720 a heating pad, which is part of a larger symptom 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.160 of how doctors ignore women's pain all the time. This 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:09.640 kind of stuff I just saw like a slide through 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:13.000 Instagram about this recently, a carousel. It was all these 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.000 people telling their stories like I went to a doctor 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.359 for years with my stomach pain and they kept telling 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:19.560 me to take tombs and I had stomach cancer. Like 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.800 all these like accounts of women just being like doctors 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:23.400 didn't listen to me. 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:26.680 Doctor, And it was the New York Times. It was 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:28.960 a New York Times. Yes, that's what I just like 0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.520 an if no grap you know. And we talked about 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:37.600 this with UH with black people and doctors just being 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:41.040 pieces of shit. I mean, I have several doctors in 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:42.360 my family. I do love doctors. 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:43.880 I just think that there does need to be more 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.759 attention paid to how women doctor and the pain of yeah, 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:50.880 the pain of of you know, like people of color, 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:52.640 and the pain of women is often ignored. 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:53.600 Well, that's the whole thing. 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:57.000 It's just like women are so used to pain in 0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:01.640 their day to day existence that they're just able to 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:04.080 take it. And then men just can't handle even a 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:06.480 side effect of a birth control, you know, like right, 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.560 and so they're so dramatic and crying, and so that's 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:10.680 why they're taken serious. 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.480 Like I don't know, I just don't get it. I 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:14.080 don't get it. 0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:17.040 Yeah. Like one of the main slides on that New 0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:20.520 York Times thing was like women go through enormous pain 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.759 with like childbirth and period issues and all kinds of 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:26.440 stuff that when they come to you with a with 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.560 like a pain problem, you probably should listen to them. 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.280 They're used to ignoring pain like in a lot of ways, 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.520 you know, so when they are actually taking it to 0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.160 a doctor. They're serious. 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.239 But she's got all this, you. 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.720 Know, information that kind of fits exactly into this PMDD defense, 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.040 and she's like, I did feel angry towards my mom. 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:46.960 My mom didn't want me to be happy, and she 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:49.640 doesn't know how to love anyone except for herself, and 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:51.759 she doesn't know if her mother loved her. 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:56.200 And then she's also I'm curious with PMDD, like are 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:59.480 they like hatching up a defense altogether? Like how do 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.520 they even bring this up? Did she know to lie 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.239 about it? Or is she sitting trying to come up 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.360 with a lie or do they believe it? You know 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.840 what I mean? Like, how does PMDD come up in 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.880 the convo? Is my kind of question with her lawyer? 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.480 You mean, yeah, well, I'm sure maybe the lawyer is 0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:18.000 going over with her like we got to go through 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:20.800 your medical history like extensively to see if there's anything, 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:21.720 you know, and she's. 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:24.160 Probably like, oh, I get horrible periods, and they're like boom, 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:25.680 you know, yeah. Yeah. 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:30.440 So anyway, she also says, I don't remember anything. One 0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:32.479 second I was talking to my mom and the next 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:34.760 she's lying on the floor in a pool of blood. 0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.239 And then she goes and I was so sleepy. So 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:39.759 it is hard to know if she's selling the truth 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:42.880 because everything is like fitting so perfectly into what Hoong 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:43.640 just described. 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:44.920 But Huang is buying it. 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.200 Huang is like she's got all the classic symptoms, and 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.800 Novak is worried that the jury will also buy it. 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.520 So you know, this is throwing a wrench into their case. 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.520 So now in court, Justin is on the stand describing 0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:59.680 what happened. He said after it happened, Carrie was a zombie. 0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:02.600 She could barely walk. He was like dragging her, and 0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.319 he said that Carrie was like doctor jekyline mister Hyde, 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:07.360 like she would all the time, be fine one second 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:08.400 and then totally lose it. 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:13.200 So I guess I'm more I guess PMDD every day. 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:21.960 So Novak asks, well, did Carrie tell you that she 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:26.000 killed her mother? And he hesitates, and Judge Petrowski's like, 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.680 you got to answer, and he's like, I won't answer, 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.279 and she's like, well you better answer or you're going 0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:33.560 to get contemptive court. And he's like, do what you 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.200 gotta do. I love her and I'm not saying anything 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.440 bad about her. And then he gets taken away for 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:42.399 contemptive court, and he says, I love you to carry 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:46.600 on the way out. And now outside of the courthouse, 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:50.799 Olivia and Melinda run into each other and Melinda mentions, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:52.920 I'm here for your case. I guess now they want 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.040 to dirty up the mom and portray her as a drunk, 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.000 and we all know for Olivia Benson, this strikes a chord. 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:00.960 And she's like wearing a beret and she's like, excuse him, MOOI. 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.640 And so she asks Warner what's going on. She's like, 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:07.280 was her alcohol level? She's like, no, her blood alcohol 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:09.160 was normal on like the day she died, but she 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:11.920 had advanced soorrhosis, so another two years it would have 0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:14.400 killed her. And she's like, are you sure it's the drinking, 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:17.000 And Warner's like, I didn't find any hepatitis, so it's. 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:17.640 Gotta be booze. 0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:20.560 And so now Olivia goes to the Eldridge apartment and 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.080 starts digging around and she somehow this is very funny 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.680 TV moment for me, She somehow finds like thirty bottles 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.680 of shitty vodka. But there was a murder in that apartment, 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:31.360 like the cops would have found at least some of 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:34.960 these bottles, Like they tore this apartment apart, but Olivia's 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.239 like in the hamper, like she's finding all these like 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:39.520 secret hiding places. 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:41.719 Well, maybe they weren't looking for it, because like let's 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:43.840 say they're looking for evidence for a murder and they 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.439 maybe they did find this booze, but it didn't matter 0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.120 to whatever was happening. Yeah, it just seemed to me 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.440 like the amount that they found was like there might 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:53.760 be an issue here, like this is a lot of vodka. 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:57.000 Olivia was triggered by this woman before we find out 0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.600 the booze, like she just knew before she knew this. 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:04.040 Was definitely like Neil Bher being like, let's dive into 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:06.600 a little bit more of Olivia's pass through this episode. 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.120 Okay, ye for sure. 0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:11.839 So Stabler shows up at the same apartment, no clue why, 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:15.520 and he's like, Olivia says, no wonder, I hated Denise. 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:17.919 She didn't care about Carrie at all. She only cares 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:22.680 about her next drink. And they're sort of like chatting, 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:24.440 and you know, he's like, why did you come here? 0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:26.680 And she's kind of like I had a hunch or whatever. 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:31.280 So then he finds birth control pills taped under the counter, 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:34.120 and Olivia pops them open. Meanwhile, I can't look at 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:35.960 my birth control pills and even figure out like what 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.560 day it is. She pops it open and immediately is like, 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.759 holy shit, this is a smoking gun. She realizes that 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.399 Carrie was on day six of her period, which means 0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:46.480 that she was in the middle of her normal cycle, 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:49.439 because I guess that normal ten day period starts about 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:53.320 day four of your period, so that means that she 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:55.080 was in her normal week and she wouldn't have had 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:59.600 any at PMDD symptoms. And Olivia accuses Simon of planting 0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:02.640 this to in Carrie's head, but Simone says, she tied 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:04.920 my hands. She wouldn't let me tell the whole story, 0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:07.799 and Olivia is like about the drinking, so that. 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.040 Shows that the team did love her mom deep down, 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:12.879 like didn't want to like smeth her as a drunk. 0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:16.360 Like, yeah, personal shame that you're living. 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.480 Like that, but not having shoes and all that now 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:22.360 makes sense, Yeah, exactly, And Olivia goes, you were too ashamed, 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.240 Like I get that. Tell me what happened, and Carrie 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:27.239 explains that when she was at school the day of 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:29.440 the murder, she got a phone call from Justin who 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:31.239 said he wanted to break things off because the mom 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:33.759 was just making his life like a living hell. And 0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:36.200 she tried to deal with it at school but then 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:38.319 she couldn't, so she went home and her mom was there. 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:40.600 She said she tried to talk to her, but then 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:42.640 her mom just picked up a bottle and started drinking 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:45.600 and said she was going to get Justin fired. So 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:48.480 she told her mom, I'd rather be homeless than spend 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.960 another minute with you. Dennise slapped her really hard, called 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:54.160 her a slut, and then hit her again and again 0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:57.879 and again. So that's like pretty horrific abuse. And then 0:52:57.960 --> 0:52:59.759 Carrie's like, I just lost it and I grabbed the 0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:02.880 land and I hit her over and over. So then 0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:05.200 she says, like kind of the heartbreaking quote of the episode, 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.200 she goes, I love my mom very much, but when 0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:10.520 she was drunk, she wasn't a mother. And Olivia clearly 0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:12.600 looks very moved by this and walks out of the 0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:16.280 room because this is Olivia's life story. Essentially, Simone follows 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:18.800 her and is like, you know, this isn't murder, and 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:21.120 Olivia is like, why didn't you present any of this 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.800 as evidence, and Simone goes, she refused to talk about it, 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:27.040 and I think you remember what that was like, and 0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:28.560 there's like a moment where you know. 0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:29.960 So now we're at a bar. 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:32.879 Olivia is sitting there with Novak and she's like, nice, 0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:34.080 work on the birth control pills. 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:36.080 Now the jury is definitely going to convict. I kind 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.560 of love Novack, like never having any sympathy for anyone, 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:43.879 and Olivia asks her, like, Olivia, they suffered from schizophrenia. Yeah, 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:45.640 she really exactly. And then she's like, well, I did 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:49.879 have that one boyfriend. So she asks Novak like, would 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:53.880 you please plead carry out? And she's kind of like, well, 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:55.880 why this is sort of open and shut. So then 0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.359 Olivia tells Novak like her whole backstory about her how 0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:01.680 her mom, Serena, was an English and when she was sixteen, 0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.040 she started dating one of her mom's students. He was 0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:08.360 a senior and twenty one. Again not not okay. He 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:09.640 asked her to marry him. 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:11.680 She said yes because she just wanted to get away 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.719 from her mother, and her mom said, if you don't 0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:15.319 break it off with him, I will get this dude 0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:18.319 kicked out of college. And she said, I'm moving out 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:20.640 and the mom was halfway through a bottle of vodka. 0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:21.440 She dropped it. 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.520 It shattered, and her mom picked up the jagged edge 0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:27.279 of the bottle and came at her, and Olivia said 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:30.359 that her mom was screaming, I'll never let anyone else 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:33.040 have you, And so she kicked her mom hard and 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:35.440 then kicked her again and she flew across the room. 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:39.359 It sounds like a full superhero moment, and she ran 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.360 out because she was so afraid, and Novak is like, 0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:45.319 but you didn't kill your mom, Olivia, and Olivia goes, 0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:47.800 but I know what it's like to want to, and 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:52.279 so really sort of a touching Benson moment, and she's like, 0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:54.600 that's how I know, Simon Bryce. I called her back 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:56.359 then when she was a law student, and she helped 0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:59.399 me survive this whole situation with my mom. And then 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:02.200 she's like, why didn't Carrie say anything, Like why didn't 0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:05.000 she come forward about this? And Olivia explained, She's like, 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:07.600 because then the abuse becomes real. If you keep it quiet, 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:10.000 you can pretend that none of it's real or happening. 0:55:10.840 --> 0:55:12.640 So that's like a whole perspective of it that I 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:14.800 never really saw because it's like, yeah, why don't you 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:18.320 just tell people? And it is kind of also so complex, 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:20.680 Like the relationship that Benson has with her mom is 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:23.400 so layered and complex because she's actually in an episode 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:27.160 in the first season before she dies. They're still hanging 0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:30.640 out and talking, but then they have the whole rape issue, 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:34.200 and then there's the alcoholism issue, but she seems to 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.200 still really love her mom, and like, I don't know, 0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:38.400 it's very complicated. 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:38.640 You know. 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:43.439 Now we're in court and Petrowsky is reviewing this plea deal. 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.640 Carrie's going to get manslaughter and she's going to do 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:49.359 five years. Justin hugs and kisses her as she's let out, 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:52.160 and Casey clarifies because I thought it was five years 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:53.320 in jail, and I was like, that's not going to 0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:56.560 be an easy five years for Carrie, but she'll be 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.000 in a juvenile facility because she's only fifteen, so no 0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:03.239 hard time. And Simone asks Novak, like, why did you 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:05.560 plead her out? I uphold the jurors and eleven of 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:07.799 them thought she was guilty, and then they just kind 0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:09.520 of look at Benson, who's sitting in the back of 0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:12.280 the courtroom staring right at them, and it's awkward. 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:17.520 And then it's dick wolf baby, Yeah, five years for 0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:20.680 killing your mom. Yeah, because when Ed Kemper got out 0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:23.719 after killing his grandparents as a teen, I was like, 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:26.919 fuck this, but in this situation, yeah, let her out, 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:27.320 you know. 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:30.319 But well they said it was just because Petrowsky said 0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:33.000 state correctional facility, so I assumed she was going to 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:36.440 adult jail and then they clarify that it is not 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:37.160 adult jail. 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:40.000 Well, thank you for that lovely episode. 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:44.560 Now I have zero of zero info on this case, 0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:47.360 so I'm excited for you to do. Yeah, not famous cases, 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:52.279 but intriguing interesting. So we'll see you after our sponsored content. 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:04.480 Welcome back. 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:11.120 So one crime is based on this episode, the episode's 0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:13.920 based on the crime, and then one crime that is 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:18.600 identical to this episode happened eighteen months after this episode aired, 0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:20.680 so we'll touch on it. But obviously, oh my god, 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:24.600 I think it's so creepy when that happens, and like wild, Yeah, 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:27.080 they don't either, they don't have a fortune teller on staff. 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:29.720 We would have known. I have Martin Short. 0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:33.480 Yeah. I always love when I talk to people who 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:37.120 aren't as SVU as us and I try to entice 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:38.840 them and I'm like, you know, even Martin Short, and 0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:40.920 I go, what did Martin Short play? And it's so 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.720 fun to be like a fake psychic who rapes virgins 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:48.920 and murders them like a virgin psychic hound, because you 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:53.080 know they're very shocked by that. So so we'll start here. 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:56.479 We have a Valessa Robinson and she is a teen 0:57:57.040 --> 0:57:59.760 and the home of where this all happens is Tampa Bay. 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.400 I read a lot of Tampa Bay Times, which was 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:05.520 a joy, since it's the home of the Backstreet Boys, 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:07.880 and I have always wanted to visit Tampa Bay. Oh, 0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:11.240 I've been to Tampa many times. What did you do 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:11.760 in Tampa? 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:14.760 Well, my family, A lot of my family lives in Sarasota, 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:17.360 and you can fly into Sarasota, but it's more expensive, 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:19.160 and so Tampa's like an hour away and it's better 0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:19.800 to fly in there. 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:21.439 So I've been to Tampa. I've spent some time. 0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:22.200 Wow. 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:26.080 So Valessa's fifteen years old when this story takes place, 0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:30.120 and her mother, Vicki Robinson, was struggling to get control 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.640 of her daughter. And I have Kathy Mori already in 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:36.240 my head this whole time. But that's not what this 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.760 woman looks like like if you google her, she looks 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:43.400 on photos as a local bank teller with feathered hair 0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:45.920 in the eighties and a button down little power suit like. 0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:50.240 She looks quote unquote like a good mom or whatever, 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.560 like you'd see her at a softball game. She's not 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:56.240 as wild as Kathy, but well, you never know what's 0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:58.760 behind the photo. But it was really shocking where I 0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:00.640 was like, I need a look at this woman looks 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:03.680 like because I can only picture Kathy screaming in the precinct. 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:06.120 And there was another daughter, Michelle. 0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:07.960 We don't know much about her, but she was seventeen 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:10.880 and she was actually visiting her father that night, and 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:14.240 her sister said that Valessa just could not deal with 0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:17.160 the parents divorce. So the parents divorced when Valessa was 0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:19.760 eleven years old, and that caused her to change a 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:23.000 lot and become quote unquote a bad teen. She was 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:26.920 just not able to deal with the splitting of these parents. 0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:31.240 So at age twelve, Valessa joined a rock band with 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:34.200 a bunch of twenty year old men and started doing drugs, 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:38.160 and she loved acid, and according to CBS News, she 0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:42.360 also said they did a lot of ecstasy. So you 0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:44.440 know she had she had a good time at twelve. 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:47.000 I think a little too early for ecstasy and acid. 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:50.440 But those are the facts, so you know. And I 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:53.120 just said, like, the mom looked great, and I you know, 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:55.280 it's like, am I judge all of her taft? That's 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:57.640 how I feel. And that's the whole thing. You don't 0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:00.919 know about a photo there's like a huge sweater set. 1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:05.200 Doesn't mean you're a good mom, right, correct? Absolutely, But 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:07.560 I also don't think this is that bad. Like that's 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:07.840 the thing. 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:10.000 It's like, did this mom do some shitty things? 1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:10.280 Yes? 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:12.160 Do I think she should have been murdered? I mean, 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:14.800 I don't know, Like, so this is the shitty thing. 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:18.480 So basically they were like fighting, and Valessa refused to 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:20.680 go on to this vacation with her mom, and so 1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:23.320 the mom said, well, fuck you, then I'm going alone. 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:25.960 And she went to Michigan for two weeks, which is 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:28.960 wild that that's your vacation from Florida. But oh okay, 1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:32.160 So she went to Michigan for two weeks and she 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:35.240 did not check on her daughter once, who was fourteen 1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:39.120 years old. That's wild. That's nice to get your kid 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:42.400 taken away from you, for sure. Even yeah, so it's 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:44.600 not like the abuse we normally talk about. But it's 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:47.720 not great, but it's I don't know if it's worth 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:50.560 murdering your mom, but maybe we understand this girl like 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:52.680 she didn't feel loved and the mom just like fully 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:55.160 ditched her for two weeks. So the daughter at the 1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:58.400 time was dating Adam Davis, who is nineteen and had 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:01.560 a criminal passed. He was living on the streets, his 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:04.120 father was dead and his mother abandoned him when he. 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:06.880 Was two years old. Very roxy andrews of everything. 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:10.479 So he was a high school dropout and a drug dealer, 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:13.440 and obviously he's a product of like his upbringing and 1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:17.280 like lack thereof and so this is a sympathetic case. 1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:19.800 But as a mother, I can imagine you not wanting 1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:22.280 your fourteen year old daughter dating this older guy who's 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:25.520 dealing drugs. Right, so I get everyone, you know, it's 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:27.960 like these are tough when you kind of understand everything. 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.120 So the mom was very much like, if I pushed 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:33.440 too hard, she'll run to him more. So I'm going 1:01:33.520 --> 1:01:35.880 to take the easy approach and let things happen and 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:36.680 see what happens. 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:39.000 But they just got way too obsessed with each other. 1:01:39.120 --> 1:01:42.080 So by the time this mom tried to get involved Vicky, 1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:45.720 like they were intertwined so hardcore it was hard to 1:01:45.880 --> 1:01:46.560 break them apart. 1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:48.439 And more about Vicky. 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:51.600 So she was forty nine, she was a real estate 1:01:51.680 --> 1:01:54.640 agent and a single mother of two. And so June 1:01:54.720 --> 1:01:58.560 twenty seventh, nineteen ninety eight, Vicky vanishes from her carol 1:01:58.600 --> 1:02:02.640 Wood home. And just before the murder, Vicki had planned 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:05.200 to send her daughter of Alessa, to a Christian residential 1:02:05.280 --> 1:02:08.800 program called Stepping Stone Farm, and so a lot of 1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:11.880 the family says that she was working really hard to 1:02:11.960 --> 1:02:14.920 find a place to send her daughter to help her 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:17.760 not be a bad teen, and so really stepping Stone 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:27.840 without a g like stepping yeah, okay, very hip. But 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:31.360 she was looking at a lot of a lot of homes, 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:34.640 like the distant family or not the nuclear family, well 1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:37.600 maybe her nuclear family whatever, But they were like, yeah, 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:39.400 she was looking at a lot of different programs, and 1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:41.400 she was really trying to help her daughter. But a 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:43.960 girl that I grew up with, like her stepmother had 1:02:44.000 --> 1:02:45.920 her kidnapped in the middle of the night, Paris Hilton 1:02:45.960 --> 1:02:49.240 style and just sent to like, oh, like a scared strait. 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:52.840 So we don't know, you know what was good what 1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:54.880 was not. But it seemed like she was just trying 1:02:54.920 --> 1:02:57.120 to like get her daughter on the quote unquote right 1:02:57.200 --> 1:03:01.880 path to not be an acid tripping teen. But Valessa 1:03:02.000 --> 1:03:06.000 denies knowing she was gonna be sent away. But the 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:09.640 timing of this murder is very like a week before 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:10.120 she would have. 1:03:10.240 --> 1:03:11.440 Left to step in Stone. 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:14.560 So we don't know if she found she got whiff 1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:17.320 of the step and Stone farm or now I feel 1:03:17.360 --> 1:03:22.080 funny saying it, or if she really didn't know that 1:03:22.200 --> 1:03:27.520 she was going to be sent away. So Valessa at fifteen, 1:03:27.800 --> 1:03:31.160 her boyfriend Adam Davis at nineteen, and a friend, John 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:33.959 Wisple plotted her mother's murder. 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:36.320 They met at Denny's to hatch the plan. 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:40.200 And I mean, if you're gonna if you're gonna hatch 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:42.640 your murder plan, you gotta have moons over my Hammi? 1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:46.920 Right? Isn't that Denny's. I don't know Denny's. I'm an 1:03:46.960 --> 1:03:49.120 eye hop girl. Denny's is below eye hop to me. 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:51.480 And so I've only had Denny's maybe three times in 1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:54.600 my life. Well, I hop has rudy, tooty, fresh and foodie. 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:58.320 Isn't Moon's over my Hammy Denny's. Uh No, Denny's to 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:01.840 me is like to me, to this, to the grants, 1:04:01.960 --> 1:04:05.480 it's grand slam, Grand slam. Denny's is grand slam. It's 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:09.960 just like so many meats. So that yeah, So they're 1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:11.920 at Denny's setting the scene. I mean the fact that 1:04:12.000 --> 1:04:14.000 this isn't I know it's an SVU episode, but like, 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:16.480 we need a full movie. I want a movie of this. 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:18.280 So I just googled it. 1:04:18.360 --> 1:04:22.000 Though Moon's over My Hammy as Denny's. Okay, I didn't 1:04:22.040 --> 1:04:26.240 remember moons Moons over Hammy. I've never heard that. Is 1:04:26.320 --> 1:04:28.000 it also a is it a play on a pond? 1:04:28.000 --> 1:04:30.840 I've never even heard. Ye, there's a movie called Moon 1:04:30.920 --> 1:04:38.400 over My Moon over Miami, and so it's Moons over Miami. Sorry, 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:40.760 I had to bring it up. It's so funny to me. No, 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:43.200 I think it's I'm glad. But now I'm remembering when 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:46.360 I Hop wanted to be I Hop and became a 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:48.800 burger place for a day, and then we all was 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:52.640 so mad, so dumb, so mad. I have this memory. 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:54.160 I think I've brought it up on the podcast. But 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:55.800 I was just like, as a kid went up to 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:59.680 my dad and I was just like, I need pancakes, 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:01.680 you need to take me to Iye Hops. So he 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:04.520 just sat there watching me pancakes and a milkshake. But 1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:07.120 it's still in memory one of my favorite meals I've 1:05:07.160 --> 1:05:09.400 ever had a long time. But like, my dad was 1:05:09.480 --> 1:05:12.480 against restaurants really, and I don't know why I demanded 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:15.560 these pants. Like, I don't know what series of events 1:05:15.640 --> 1:05:17.920 took place that he took me to ie hop and 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:22.800 watched me eat alone. But I needed it and he knew. Well, 1:05:23.040 --> 1:05:25.400 that's a really sweet moment. Actually, when you say that, 1:05:25.600 --> 1:05:28.160 say it like that. Yeah, I think I was, like, 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:30.760 I'm sensing that nothing is going to change if she 1:05:30.840 --> 1:05:32.920 does not get this right now, and she needs it. 1:05:33.320 --> 1:05:37.280 She needs these restaurant pancakes and a milkshake. I don't know, Yeah, 1:05:37.280 --> 1:05:40.080 it is really sweet. Sometimes you can't fight it, you know. 1:05:40.200 --> 1:05:42.640 Sometimes Rosie wants an Elmo donut and that's and I'm 1:05:42.720 --> 1:05:46.640 just given. Yeah. So before the murder, they stole Vicky's 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:49.960 van to try to buy heroin and then they brought 1:05:50.040 --> 1:05:52.160 they got a syringe and went back to the house. 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:55.720 And you know, there's a lot of The Tampa Bay 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:58.520 Times has a lot of competing stories but no, they 1:05:58.560 --> 1:06:00.880 were on LSD. So well, I guess the three of 1:06:00.960 --> 1:06:06.080 them did take LSD during this murder. So they're at Denny's, 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:08.800 they're looking for heroin. They do LSD. They bring a 1:06:08.880 --> 1:06:12.760 syringe to the house and boyfriend Adam Davis put her 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:16.560 in a choke hold Vicki the mom and injected her 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:20.440 with bleach. But that didn't kill her. That could have 1:06:20.560 --> 1:06:22.960 just been an LSD because now we have our phone. Well, 1:06:22.960 --> 1:06:24.880 I guess so they would search our phones because I 1:06:24.960 --> 1:06:27.160 was like, you can at least like search your phone 1:06:27.920 --> 1:06:29.560 for will bleach kill a person? 1:06:29.680 --> 1:06:31.680 But I don't know, because do you have to get 1:06:31.760 --> 1:06:32.880 into the blood stream. 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:36.840 What if you're putting bleachin it would have done something. 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:39.160 But maybe if you just do it into the like 1:06:39.280 --> 1:06:41.760 into the arm, nothing would happen, like into the muscle tissue. 1:06:41.800 --> 1:06:45.160 I don't know. Another great question for our medical listeners. 1:06:45.760 --> 1:06:49.720 So then when that didn't kill her, they he stabbed 1:06:49.760 --> 1:06:53.560 her to death? Is the official store the boyfriend Adam 1:06:53.960 --> 1:06:58.880 Yes wow. Wisper said that Valessa Robinson straddled the mother 1:06:59.000 --> 1:07:01.400 on the floor to help hold her down as she 1:07:01.600 --> 1:07:05.760 was being stabbed to death. Ooh, and then obviously they 1:07:05.800 --> 1:07:08.600 all started turning on each other when the court case happened, 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:10.120 and still in jail, there's just like a lot of 1:07:10.200 --> 1:07:12.080 different stories and then they're like, no she didn't, no 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:13.680 he'd you know what I mean, Like they all just 1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:18.320 started fucking telling on each other. But so Wisple did 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:20.600 say that Vellessa straddled her mom and held her down 1:07:20.720 --> 1:07:23.320 as Adam Davis like stabbed her. And then they went 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:26.200 on the run. So they were apprehended six days after 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:28.840 the murder. The three youths were arrested in a high 1:07:28.920 --> 1:07:30.480 speed chase in Texas. 1:07:31.120 --> 1:07:31.280 Woo. 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:33.600 Yeah, so they went on a fun spree. But they 1:07:33.680 --> 1:07:37.520 used all her credit cards, Like it was not difficult 1:07:37.560 --> 1:07:40.560 to track them because I kept using Vicky's credit cards 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:44.880 to do stuff. Vicky's body was found in a garbage 1:07:45.000 --> 1:07:47.880 can in the woods near her home. That's how she 1:07:48.040 --> 1:07:52.000 treated her mother. God get this woman off the fucking street. 1:07:53.000 --> 1:07:56.520 Vicky's family and Michelle, obviously the sister were pissed, you know, 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:59.200 they were not happy, and they all stopped talking to Vellessa. 1:07:59.280 --> 1:08:00.960 They did not pay for a lawyer for her. She 1:08:01.120 --> 1:08:04.560 ended up with a public defender. Like everyone was really 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:10.919 mad that. Yeah, VICKI was killed obviously they wanted nothing 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:13.800 to do with this bitch. And cor Vellessa did a 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:16.519 good girl outfit, you know, Alex Cabot would approve of. 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:20.960 She wore Mary Jane's pastel sweaters, tights, and the jury 1:08:21.080 --> 1:08:24.559 heard testimony about this like rebellious fifteen year old, deep 1:08:24.640 --> 1:08:27.760 into drugs and was meander mother and you know, so 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:30.760 in love with a sinister old boy. But look at her, 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:32.679 you know, looking at her was like a little Easter 1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:33.400 church girl. 1:08:34.200 --> 1:08:34.360 Right. 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:37.080 Robinson did not testify in her own defense. 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:39.679 They did not let her, and then Wisple actually testified 1:08:39.720 --> 1:08:43.440 against the other two, so he turned on them. Officially, 1:08:44.080 --> 1:08:47.479 Davis went on to death row. That's the boyfriend, Yeah, 1:08:47.680 --> 1:08:50.719 and he stayed there for two decades, but was recently 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:53.680 in twenty twenty one resentenced to life in prison and 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:57.040 will not be killed because the jury split on his 1:08:57.160 --> 1:09:00.400 death decision was seven to five and now the low 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:04.280 says you need a unanimous verdict for death, but he 1:09:04.479 --> 1:09:08.920 is spending life in prison. Wispole was sentenced to twenty 1:09:09.040 --> 1:09:11.479 five years. And this was just like a friend that 1:09:11.800 --> 1:09:14.360 was caught up in it. And like I said earlier 1:09:14.439 --> 1:09:16.640 in this episode, if you're there and you're not stopping it. 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:18.840 It's your fucking fault, you know, That's why you learn 1:09:18.880 --> 1:09:22.599 a yellowjackets. One mistake is life or death. Like every 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:25.000 choice we make is important. So I hope you if 1:09:25.000 --> 1:09:27.959 you didn't have anxiety, you have it now. So whispole, 1:09:28.760 --> 1:09:30.720 but hopefully you're not going to be convinced into doing 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:33.840 shit like that. So Wispool was sentenced to twenty five 1:09:34.000 --> 1:09:37.720 years and then he was released in twenty nineteen, but 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:40.360 then he beat his girlfriend and went back to jail 1:09:40.439 --> 1:09:44.479 and is now awaiting trial and two domestic battery charges. Okay, 1:09:45.240 --> 1:09:48.120 he didn't learn anything in prison and actually just probably 1:09:48.160 --> 1:09:51.240 became more evil in crime and didn't learn how to 1:09:51.320 --> 1:09:53.720 control his shit. So we don't know where he is 1:09:53.840 --> 1:09:57.600 on these domestic violence cases, but he's not going to 1:09:57.680 --> 1:10:03.840 thrive in society. We'll say that our girl Valessa, I 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:06.920 would kill my mother just if she called me Valessa. Okay, 1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:11.000 Now that always reminds me of Tim rob Tim Meadows 1:10:11.320 --> 1:10:15.439 in Me and Girls when he enters in the classroom 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:17.920 with Tina Fey and he goes, oh, that's like my 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:21.280 nephew Amphony. But no, I'm not as mad as that. 1:10:21.400 --> 1:10:24.000 My sister named her child Amphony. Do you remember that 1:10:24.240 --> 1:10:27.559 ampherny everybody? Yeah, so I think you know, I think 1:10:27.600 --> 1:10:30.160 about that when I think of Valessa. It's like, was 1:10:30.240 --> 1:10:33.200 there a mistake? Me and Girls is top ten for me. 1:10:33.720 --> 1:10:35.800 I want to watch it on every floor. If it's 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:38.040 on TV, if I fit's on TV at any point, 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:40.560 ten minutes left, two hours left, I watch it like 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:43.600 I love it, and Hulu goes, we think you'll like this. 1:10:43.840 --> 1:10:46.400 They're right, and I'm clicking, you know when it's always 1:10:46.479 --> 1:10:49.439 on right before drag Race. VH one always plays it 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:51.880 because whenever I turn on my Dragways DVR, it's that 1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:54.240 shot of the little girls getting hit by the bus 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:56.200 and then her like just kidding, and then the bus 1:10:56.280 --> 1:10:56.800 missing them. 1:10:57.320 --> 1:11:00.920 Like I see that scene every Friday now watching drag Race. 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:05.840 That's amazing now it really ooh, that would be fun 1:11:05.880 --> 1:11:09.439 Halloween costumes in that movie. It's just it launched it. 1:11:09.880 --> 1:11:12.160 I don't know, I fucking love that movie. We can 1:11:12.240 --> 1:11:13.960 go on and on, but we do have some murder to. 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:14.439 Come back to. 1:11:14.680 --> 1:11:18.240 So Valessa was convicted of third degree murderer. She's only 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:21.080 served thirteen years of her twenty years sentence. She's out. 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:24.479 She's been out for like close to a decade, like 1:11:24.560 --> 1:11:28.360 she's been out, so that's wild. She was a minor, 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:32.240 which changes the sentencing, But it's like she hatched the plan. 1:11:32.280 --> 1:11:34.120 I don't think they would have killed her mother without her, 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:36.880 And the men are obviously pissed because they're spending their 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:40.240 lives in prison, but they did the actual murdering. But 1:11:41.200 --> 1:11:44.720 she's out, baby Wow. Which is cool or not? 1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:45.360 I don't know. 1:11:45.479 --> 1:11:48.559 I don't really have an opinion about it. So when 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:50.439 she first got into jail, she did get into a 1:11:50.439 --> 1:11:53.360 lot of trouble. There was threats, contraband sex acts. But 1:11:53.439 --> 1:11:55.840 then she got her act together and she became a 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:59.920 model inmate. She took classes in fixing cars, building character, 1:12:00.240 --> 1:12:03.800 she taught aerobics to fellow inmates, and she cut off 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:06.280 her hair for locks of love and studied nutrition. 1:12:06.960 --> 1:12:09.200 So she went to a very high class jail. 1:12:09.280 --> 1:12:11.120 So if you know someone that's committed a crime, I 1:12:11.160 --> 1:12:14.919 would try to maybe get them sent a Homestead Correctional Institution. 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:17.479 It's near Miami, and it seems like they have a 1:12:17.560 --> 1:12:22.080 lot of great programming for their inmates. And so the 1:12:22.160 --> 1:12:24.920 reason she got released not only because of like her 1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:28.720 good behavior, that she earned. She earned one one and 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:30.960 forty six days of gain time for her good behavior, 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:33.760 but they also counted the days she served before she 1:12:33.960 --> 1:12:37.560 was convicted in this sentence, so that's what attributed to 1:12:37.680 --> 1:12:40.560 her early release. And like I said, it's you know, 1:12:40.680 --> 1:12:43.840 Adam Davis's death sentence has been twice upheld like now 1:12:43.920 --> 1:12:46.679 he's not in twenty twenty one overturned to life in jail. 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:51.320 But like that's a disparity. But also, you know, we talked, 1:12:51.360 --> 1:12:53.920 there's just like a lot of different things. But the 1:12:54.080 --> 1:12:57.400 disparity quote came from the Tampa Bay Times from Davis's lawyer, 1:12:57.520 --> 1:12:57.920 who's like. 1:12:58.040 --> 1:13:00.280 This is fucked up, but is it? 1:13:00.479 --> 1:13:04.280 Like I don't know it's but Robinson's lawyers opening statement 1:13:04.360 --> 1:13:08.240 really encapsulates maybe some thoughts that people have, which is, 1:13:08.880 --> 1:13:11.559 these nineteen year old men murdered her mom and now 1:13:11.600 --> 1:13:12.559 they want to blame her. 1:13:13.280 --> 1:13:15.120 And it is true, she's fifteen. 1:13:15.200 --> 1:13:18.879 You guys are full on adults legally, and you agreed 1:13:18.920 --> 1:13:23.320 to kill this teenager's mother. So I get both lawyers 1:13:23.439 --> 1:13:27.400 doing their job. But Velessa's now a mother of her own. 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:30.720 She's been posting on Facebook from like twenty fifteen of 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:36.439 her and a baby boy, so cool. She's married as 1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:39.160 far as we know, living in Ocean Springs, Mississippi. I 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:41.160 saw photos of her in a bikini on a boat, 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:45.200 so she was on a boat once. The judge who 1:13:45.240 --> 1:13:48.240 presided the case, though, was quoted in the Tampa Bay Times, 1:13:48.560 --> 1:13:52.519 I think I should get a sponsorship. The judge said, 1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:55.800 what can you say? She served her sentence, So I 1:13:55.920 --> 1:14:01.639 love that. Who is that quotable? No, judge j Rogers paget. 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:05.240 He figured her to. He figured her to probably be 1:14:05.320 --> 1:14:08.519 a fifteen year old sociopath. He goes the normality of 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:10.840 it to value the love of this guy more than 1:14:10.880 --> 1:14:13.879 the love of her mother. That's not at all normal. 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:16.760 So those are the final words of the judge who 1:14:16.800 --> 1:14:19.960 presided over the case, and that's that. So the two 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:22.720 men will probably be in jail, and then she's just 1:14:22.920 --> 1:14:24.240 like out there raising a kid. 1:14:24.360 --> 1:14:26.439 I don't know what to say now. 1:14:27.400 --> 1:14:30.960 What happened eighteen months later, and this happened for the 1:14:31.080 --> 1:14:34.040 episode where we talked to Eric McCormick, And then during 1:14:34.080 --> 1:14:35.960 the interview, I go, did you hear about the real 1:14:36.040 --> 1:14:37.960 case of the woman being stuffed in a suitcase? 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:39.240 And it truly ruined his mood. 1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:43.800 Yeah, we had a lot of listeners say, oh, you 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:46.320 guys should do Intoxicated it's based on this case, and 1:14:46.400 --> 1:14:50.120 we're like, actually, this case happened eighteen months after the episode, 1:14:50.360 --> 1:14:52.760 Like yeah, so a lot of people connect these two. 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:56.679 Yeah, and it is an interesting case. I'm gonna touch 1:14:56.720 --> 1:15:00.760 on it pretty briefly. So it's the case of Barbara Mullinex, 1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:04.120 which sounds like musin X. It's difficult for me too, 1:15:05.160 --> 1:15:07.599 So I'm just imagining a family of little boogers living 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:08.439 in a nose canal. 1:15:08.640 --> 1:15:12.280 If I'm being honest, I like, that's who I see. 1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:19.160 Rachel Mulnex Mulinex and Ian Allen of Huntington Beach, California 1:15:20.000 --> 1:15:22.000 were a couple who fell in love in two thousand 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:25.519 and six. Rachel was seventeen and just moved to Huntington 1:15:25.560 --> 1:15:29.200 Beach from Oklahoma with her parents, Barbara and Bruce, who 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:33.320 were divorced, but they still all live together until Barbara 1:15:33.400 --> 1:15:36.240 could get back on her feet and raise them alone. 1:15:36.320 --> 1:15:38.720 So Bruce and Barbara were not together, but they were 1:15:38.840 --> 1:15:42.800 living together with their daughter Rachel. They were not into 1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:45.280 the relationship, of course, that Rachel got into with a 1:15:45.320 --> 1:15:48.160 twenty one year old boy you know, but they gave 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:51.919 an okay and even signed a note saying they assented 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:54.919 to the relationship. And you know, I copied that word assented. 1:15:55.000 --> 1:15:58.160 That's not something that's in my vocabulary. But after a 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:01.000 while they're like, okay, we we're not okay with the 1:16:01.040 --> 1:16:04.320 relationship anymore. We tried to be supportive, hoping it would fizzle. 1:16:04.400 --> 1:16:07.519 It's not fizzling. We're pissed. So September of two thousand 1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:11.760 and six, Barbara's horribly brutalized body was found floating in 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:13.679 the water by Newport Harbor Yacht Club. 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:16.599 Now this is a trigger warning. I would say, Oh 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:16.920 my god. 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:20.200 She was wrapped in a sheet and had a butter 1:16:20.320 --> 1:16:25.320 knife sticking out of an eye socket. The entire blade 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:29.120 was embedded deep in her skull. And at first they 1:16:29.160 --> 1:16:31.160 did not have an ID for her body, but they 1:16:31.200 --> 1:16:33.719 were able to find and identify her through the serial 1:16:33.840 --> 1:16:36.880 number from her breast implants. So that's, you know, something 1:16:36.960 --> 1:16:40.920 else the su Yeah, and when the authorities got to 1:16:41.000 --> 1:16:43.479 the house, nobody was home, but they could tell that 1:16:43.560 --> 1:16:45.720 the murder had taken place. There there was like a 1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:50.320 shoddy cleanup job. There was blood and everywhere. And then 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:54.040 also the kitchen had the same butter knives as were 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:56.439 found in the eye. So at first, of course they 1:16:56.479 --> 1:17:00.400 assume it's the ex Obviously we've all seen movies, so Bruce. 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:03.080 So they're like, Bruce, you did it? And Bruce came 1:17:03.120 --> 1:17:05.360 home and was like, hey, hey, officers, what's going on? 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:07.120 I live here, And they're like, it's see you. No, 1:17:07.280 --> 1:17:11.240 but he was very shocked, and he was he was 1:17:11.280 --> 1:17:14.480 shocked when he found out, but because he was under suspicion, 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:17.800 he to them he was behaving oddly. They said that 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:21.679 he was stone faced when he found out about the death, 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:23.560 but then when he found out that Rachel. 1:17:23.400 --> 1:17:24.559 Was missing, he went nuts. 1:17:24.600 --> 1:17:26.920 So he was very worried, and so that I think 1:17:28.280 --> 1:17:31.000 makes it seem like it wasn't him, since he's like, oh, fuck, 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:34.200 if they killed Barbara, they took Rachel with so he's 1:17:34.240 --> 1:17:37.400 acting like a scared dad, but also did you murder 1:17:37.560 --> 1:17:38.599 your ex wife? 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:40.680 So he was suspect number one. 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:42.960 But as Alibi checked out very quickly he was in 1:17:43.080 --> 1:17:46.639 Fresno on business. They were all worried that the boyfriend 1:17:46.680 --> 1:17:49.360 had kidnapped Rachel after killing the mother, and an alert, 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:54.160 a nationwide all points bulletin came out, which resulted in 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:55.640 a sighting in Louisiana. 1:17:55.760 --> 1:17:57.000 So they also went out on the. 1:17:57.080 --> 1:17:59.720 Run and when they pulled over the truck, Rachel ran 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:03.240 dreaming from the truck, but detectives right away were not 1:18:03.360 --> 1:18:04.160 buying her act. 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:06.760 Okay, she put it out there, but it didn't work. 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:09.720 They got footage from a convenience store in her and 1:18:09.840 --> 1:18:13.559 her boyfriend seemed real cozy together, you know, like they 1:18:13.600 --> 1:18:15.360 were buying snacks, very chill. 1:18:15.520 --> 1:18:17.559 It did not seem like a kidnapp situation. 1:18:17.760 --> 1:18:19.320 Or she was trying to get out and I know, 1:18:19.400 --> 1:18:21.679 we know about Stockholm and Patty Hurst and like maybe 1:18:21.720 --> 1:18:25.000 you were tricks, but they just were not getting that right. 1:18:25.160 --> 1:18:28.599 And as she was breaking down an interrogation, her boyfriend 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:33.600 actually like felt bad and started confessing and explaining what 1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:35.559 really happened, and he had a lot of remorse. 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:37.439 He was not happy about what went down. 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:40.240 The prosecutor for the case said that Rachel is a 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:43.840 sociopath who is incapable of feeling anything at all. The 1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:47.400 jury deliberated for four days and sentenced her and her boyfriend, 1:18:47.520 --> 1:18:50.439 both of them to twenty five years to life. Ian 1:18:50.640 --> 1:18:54.760 is in Chuckawalla Valley State Prison in blythe California and 1:18:55.479 --> 1:18:59.080 Rachel is spending her time at the Central California Woman's 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:02.320 Facility and she will be eligible for parole in twenty 1:19:02.400 --> 1:19:06.240 twenty six. Bruce, though, he says Barbara was a crazy, 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:09.719 mean drunk who was physically abusive to his daughter. 1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:12.600 So it's we just get a. 1:19:12.600 --> 1:19:15.040 Little bit about that. It's so close. It's like, do 1:19:15.080 --> 1:19:17.360 you think that she saw the SVU and was like, 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:20.000 we can get away with this? Like I wonder, no, 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:23.719 I this seems frenzied to me, because you'd cover your tracks, 1:19:23.760 --> 1:19:26.599 you would just do better, you like, but they're also 1:19:26.760 --> 1:19:29.599 teens and they're dumb, like if you're but we taught 1:19:29.600 --> 1:19:32.000 you know, some killers are smart, some killers are dumb. 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:35.000 I don't know what to say, but like not good, 1:19:35.200 --> 1:19:35.639 not good? 1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:35.960 You know. 1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:39.160 Well, thanks Lisa for doing the research on the dose crimes. 1:19:39.240 --> 1:19:44.280 There my pleasure, honestly. Yeah, And you guys, do not move. 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:54.479 A muscle because we have a killer interview coming up. Guys. 1:19:54.600 --> 1:19:57.040 We obviously love every single person we get to talk 1:19:57.080 --> 1:19:59.519 to on this podcast, but sometimes we get someone that 1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:01.320 we're like, we really can't believe we got to talk 1:20:01.360 --> 1:20:04.360 to them. This actress has a body of work that 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:08.880 is truly unparalleled. Raging Bowl nominated for an Academy Award. 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:11.559 Soap Dish one of my favorite movies of all time. 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:14.160 But I'm a Cheerleader one of Leeza's favorite movies of 1:20:14.160 --> 1:20:17.320 all time. She's appeared on SVU on three different occasions 1:20:17.360 --> 1:20:19.920 as two different characters, but you know her from today's 1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:22.479 episode from her first appearance in two thousand and five 1:20:22.560 --> 1:20:27.360 as Denise Eldridge. Please check out our chat with the 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:29.120 legendary Kathy Moriarty. 1:20:29.920 --> 1:20:31.360 Where are you? Where do you live? 1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:35.920 I live out in Southampton, New York, way out Long Island, 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:39.800 but I am my brother's right now where it's nice 1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:43.439 and quiet without dogs and children, and he's in Long Beach. 1:20:43.680 --> 1:20:47.400 So I'm a beachee type of girl. 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:52.519 I love it well before SVU if you don't mind, Ah, 1:20:52.680 --> 1:20:54.960 But I'm a Cheerleader was one of the biggest movies 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:58.120 of my life. I would rent it all the time. 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:03.040 It took over my life. And yeah, how I don't 1:21:03.040 --> 1:21:04.960 even have a question. I'm just so thrilled to talk 1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:07.040 to you. Did you keep any of your outfits? 1:21:07.760 --> 1:21:11.240 No, but I heard that they made a fortune. We're 1:21:11.280 --> 1:21:14.519 not a fortune. Nobody made a fortunal of anything, but 1:21:14.960 --> 1:21:17.320 I heard the pink suit went for a pretty petty 1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:20.080 because you know, it's funny because we just did a 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:23.160 zoom thing. It's a bunch of months ago now, because 1:21:23.160 --> 1:21:26.160 I think it was like the twentieth anniversary. So I 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:28.280 got to like, you know, talk to Clea Deval and 1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:32.320 Natasha and Jamie and you know, a whole bunch of people. 1:21:32.560 --> 1:21:34.720 So it was kind of really cool to reconnect. 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:38.160 Well, yeah, Melanie Lynsky, who is this quiet character? And 1:21:38.280 --> 1:21:40.880 that is now, like did you watch I don't know 1:21:40.880 --> 1:21:42.160 if you watched Yellow Jackets. 1:21:42.240 --> 1:21:44.000 It's so cool to see all of them. 1:21:44.040 --> 1:21:47.439 Bigger than life. And it's funny because I just worked 1:21:47.479 --> 1:21:53.760 with Clia. She's producing, writing and doing. It's a cartoon Housebroken, 1:21:54.680 --> 1:21:57.240 So I did just a couple of episodes and that 1:21:57.439 --> 1:22:01.080 was fun amazing. Yeah, these girls turned in bigger than life. 1:22:01.040 --> 1:22:04.840 Right, Well, both Natasha and Cleia are SVU alum as well. 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:06.800 Yes, they've had some episodes. 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:09.439 Yes, yeah, their episodes were really good. 1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:13.439 I and one of the rare I guess RuPaul is 1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:16.639 like not in Drag Too, that movie, that's the movie 1:22:16.720 --> 1:22:19.240 I got introduced to RuPaul for it too. I didn't 1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:23.040 know about him before that. But do you get stopped 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:24.040 a lot on the streets. 1:22:25.040 --> 1:22:27.840 No, But then again I don't. I gave up walking 1:22:27.880 --> 1:22:29.040 the streets a long time ago. 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:33.360 Okay, amazing. 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:37.839 Okay, well, so Lisa is the but I'm a cheerleader 1:22:38.080 --> 1:22:39.840 fan and I'm the Soap Dish fan. 1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:42.000 Like truly saw it in the theater. 1:22:42.200 --> 1:22:44.479 I have to tell you it was two of my favorites. So, 1:22:45.439 --> 1:22:47.519 I mean, like, were my favorite two of my favorite 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:48.240 movies that I did. 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:50.120 I love that movie so much. 1:22:50.240 --> 1:22:54.400 I mean, huge iconic casts, like just so funny. Your 1:22:54.520 --> 1:22:57.960 character is like so I remember being like, who is 1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:01.400 this woman? This character is amazing? Were like so funny 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:03.200 and mean and like a bitch. 1:23:03.400 --> 1:23:06.720 It was so good, and I just like, I'm like, 1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:10.160 with all these reboots and everything being reimagined, where is 1:23:10.240 --> 1:23:12.320 soap Dish two point zero? And would you do it? 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:15.679 You know? Somebody just told me, actually I read about 1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:19.000 it somewhere that they were going to do a TV 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:23.400 show based on Soap Dish and that I think Whoopie 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:26.160 Goldberg had signed on. I read about it somewhere, but 1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:29.519 they haven't come to me on and I'm way too 1:23:29.560 --> 1:23:34.680 old to play Milton or Montana now. But you know 1:23:34.760 --> 1:23:36.519 it's funny because they had brought it up years ago. 1:23:36.560 --> 1:23:39.600 When the movie came out. One of the producers on 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:42.080 the show, would I consider doing a TV like a 1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:44.840 spin off? And I was like, you know, call me, 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:49.560 what can I tell you? But that was like a 1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:53.360 bucket list adventure. All the people I wanted to work 1:23:53.439 --> 1:23:56.000 with that you like work with all in one movie. 1:23:56.920 --> 1:24:00.240 And I wasn't even supposed to do that movie if 1:24:00.280 --> 1:24:03.560 it wasn't for another great actress who pulled out to 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:07.000 do something even better. I was still in bed crying 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:09.479 over the fact I didn't get it, and they're like, 1:24:09.640 --> 1:24:11.719 you're going to New York and you're going to test again. 1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:17.000 And I ended up getting it and I will forever 1:24:17.200 --> 1:24:19.759 be grateful for it. And then, but I'm a cheerleader. 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:24.920 I wasn't going to do And then I said, I 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:27.240 really don't have anything to do for the next six weeks, 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:29.519 I might as well do it. I love the script. 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:33.439 I loved working with Natasha and Cleia and Jamie and 1:24:33.560 --> 1:24:36.560 everybody and it for that matter. So I did that. 1:24:37.080 --> 1:24:41.200 But I didn't see it for years because when it 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:45.640 was coming out, I was pregnant with twins, so I 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:50.040 missed all of the hooplast stuff. But anyway, I finally 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:52.439 got to see it after I'm embarrassed to say how 1:24:52.479 --> 1:24:56.679 many years, and I laughed myself sick. It was amazing. 1:24:57.640 --> 1:24:59.719 It's very culty. It's a very cult. 1:24:59.800 --> 1:25:03.000 Yeah. Yeah, well you really have a gift. And even 1:25:03.080 --> 1:25:05.840 with this character and sv you intoxicated where you play 1:25:05.920 --> 1:25:09.320 these quote unquote like bad evil people but so funny, 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:13.559 Like they're all so comedic and evil at the same time. 1:25:13.720 --> 1:25:16.200 It's so rare and skillful. 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:16.560 I don't know. 1:25:16.640 --> 1:25:19.840 It's very cool to watch, all right, not like them, 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:22.120 but I'm not laughing and loving it. 1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:25.000 And then you listen, anytime somebody makes you laugh, you 1:25:25.120 --> 1:25:26.400 have to be grateful. 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:28.600 Right, Yeah, they begged you to be on it. You 1:25:28.680 --> 1:25:31.840 weren't auditioning for SVU. I'm assuming no. 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:36.479 I did an audition. I love Lawn Order, I love 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:39.960 everything about it, so my mission was to make sure 1:25:40.000 --> 1:25:44.760 I did each one. So I think the first time 1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:47.880 I did it, I think I just see the regular 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:49.920 law and order is that I don't even note. That's 1:25:49.960 --> 1:25:50.640 what you'd call it. 1:25:51.040 --> 1:25:53.120 They call it the Mothership. A lot of other we 1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:56.160 call it original recipes something, and then I did. 1:25:56.080 --> 1:26:00.120 A couple of SVUS. Then I came back on SVU you, 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:03.479 but I did the same character twice. So I would 1:26:03.520 --> 1:26:06.320 love to go back on it because it's just one 1:26:06.320 --> 1:26:08.960 of my favorite shows to work on. To work on 1:26:09.200 --> 1:26:13.240 that set, you are just at a level of, oh 1:26:13.320 --> 1:26:18.200 my god, professionalism but comfortable and relaxed. You go in. 1:26:18.760 --> 1:26:20.479 You got to make sure you know your stuff. The 1:26:20.560 --> 1:26:25.160 pace is quick and hard. There is not one person 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:28.720 I did not like on any of the episodes, from 1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:32.040 the cameraman to the makeup, to the hair, to the actors. 1:26:32.800 --> 1:26:35.479 Each one I just thoroughly enjoyed to the point I 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:37.920 was like, well, now I have to do criminal Intent. 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:40.600 And I think the only one I didn't do but 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:42.679 it didn't last that long, was the LA one. 1:26:43.000 --> 1:26:45.120 Yeah, that's okay. You still did the Trifactor. 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:48.320 I did the trifacta exactly. I didn't hit the super factor, 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:52.280 but that's okay, that's okay. But yeah, insosicated, that was 1:26:52.320 --> 1:26:54.920 a good one. That was a very good one actually, 1:26:55.000 --> 1:26:56.479 and that was way back in the day. 1:26:56.880 --> 1:26:58.400 I think it's from two thousand and five. 1:26:59.240 --> 1:27:03.000 And you you know, it's like your character is a 1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:06.240 little bit unhinged and we find out later an alcoholic. 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:08.080 But I'm sort of on your side at the beginning 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:09.640 when I find that a twenty one year old is 1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:11.600 hooking up with a fifteen year old, Ya, I'm a 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:13.120 little having twenty one. 1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:15.840 Year old yeah, and a twenty year old. Yeah, I'd 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:21.680 become unhinged too, did you? 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:24.160 And Danielle Panabaker, you got to tell me that you 1:27:24.240 --> 1:27:26.560 guys had a nice relationship off camera, because it was 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:28.880 so hard to watch you guys fight on camera that 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:31.400 I have to believe you loved each other off camera. 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:35.800 Absolutely, just an absolute gem. Yes, and a good little 1:27:35.840 --> 1:27:36.360 actress too. 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:37.200 No. 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:40.600 I enjoyed doing that episode. That was fun. That was 1:27:40.640 --> 1:27:41.240 a lot of fun. 1:27:41.479 --> 1:27:43.600 Do you have any like specific memories of that. I 1:27:43.680 --> 1:27:45.559 know it was so long ago at this point. If 1:27:45.600 --> 1:27:46.799 you don't, it's no problem. 1:27:47.000 --> 1:27:50.759 But just I remember like doing the Law and Orders 1:27:50.800 --> 1:27:54.400 and either I was always killing somebody or getting killed. 1:27:55.720 --> 1:28:00.400 And I think my kid's father used to worry. He goes, 1:28:00.439 --> 1:28:02.960 why does it look so easy that you just kill people? 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:06.759 And I was kind of like, we practice makes perfect, 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:12.200 so be careful. But on that particular one I get killed, correct, Yes, Yes, 1:28:13.560 --> 1:28:15.479 And of course The highlight was when I have to 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:19.200 lay their dad. I probably took a nap, knowing myself 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:21.400 I was going to ask I was going to ask 1:28:21.479 --> 1:28:23.479 you because we talked to some other actors that have 1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:25.160 had to lie in a pool of blood on the show, 1:28:25.200 --> 1:28:27.160 and some of them have been like, yeah, they actually 1:28:27.240 --> 1:28:29.680 make Youli there for a really long time, but they 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:32.960 don't wa anywhere on those sets, on any of the 1:28:33.040 --> 1:28:37.200 law and orders, especially s for you. That's a tight ship, man. 1:28:37.280 --> 1:28:39.920 They move it. They get a lot done in ten days, 1:28:40.080 --> 1:28:42.680 you know, and usually you're only there for three or four. 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:45.439 And I don't think my part was even all that 1:28:45.600 --> 1:28:47.800 big and intox kid, I think I died early on, 1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:52.240 But it was just it was great fun. And I've 1:28:52.320 --> 1:28:56.439 known Mariska for quite some time now, and she's a 1:28:56.520 --> 1:29:01.040 really great team leader. She really is. She has everybody's back. 1:29:01.160 --> 1:29:04.719 She welcomes everybody on that show. And then the supporting 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:06.519 coust they're just they're awesome. 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:09.720 I loved your epic scene where you're yelling in the 1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:11.920 precinct and you get to go down the stairs and 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:13.760 it seems like everyone's watching you. 1:29:13.960 --> 1:29:16.680 How was that everyone was, weren't they? 1:29:17.760 --> 1:29:17.920 Yeah? 1:29:18.360 --> 1:29:22.880 Funny I forgot all about that scene until I knew 1:29:22.960 --> 1:29:24.519 I was going to do this, and I was like, 1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:28.080 what episode? And then they tell me and talx kit 1:29:28.200 --> 1:29:31.120 it and so somebody sent me like, you know, some 1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:33.880 things on it, and I was like, oh, yeah, I 1:29:34.000 --> 1:29:37.280 remember that day. It was so cool and down floor. 1:29:37.720 --> 1:29:41.040 Oh I love he He was in that scene too 1:29:41.680 --> 1:29:44.280 where I just come out and I'm just blasted drunk, 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:47.760 you know. But and Chris Coloney, it just it was 1:29:47.920 --> 1:29:50.840 just fun. It was fun. They let you go for it. 1:29:51.520 --> 1:29:54.880 They trust your instincts. They hire you for the reason 1:29:54.920 --> 1:29:57.519 that you're going to do the right job. So it's 1:29:57.640 --> 1:30:02.200 nice to have that freedom. And it's nice when they're like, wow, okay, 1:30:02.360 --> 1:30:05.200 moving on, that's great, you know. And so it's a 1:30:05.280 --> 1:30:07.120 nice satisfaction feeling. 1:30:07.360 --> 1:30:10.120 Well the audience. We don't learn that you're in your 1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:12.760 character is an alcoholic til later in the episode. 1:30:13.000 --> 1:30:16.880 That's what was tricky about that. Yeah, like too drunk, 1:30:17.439 --> 1:30:19.960 just being a bitch kind of you know, So like 1:30:20.080 --> 1:30:23.080 you really I don't think you knew even then that 1:30:23.280 --> 1:30:25.880 she was loaded all the time, but yeah, so you know, 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:28.200 you to Yeah, I tread I tread it lightly and 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:31.160 made some choices hopefully they were right ones. 1:30:31.720 --> 1:30:33.479 No, for sure, No they were. 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:39.240 I read somewhere and like this also could be nonsense 1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:41.280 on the internet, but I read that you like, in 1:30:41.400 --> 1:30:43.799 some roles you try to like lose your New York accent, 1:30:43.960 --> 1:30:45.640 or you spent time trying to lose your New York 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:48.000 accent when you first started acting. But for Law and Order, 1:30:48.080 --> 1:30:50.000 do you like ever do you like lay it on thicker? 1:30:50.120 --> 1:30:51.800 Since it's like such a New York show. 1:30:53.600 --> 1:30:57.200 I definitely don't go trying to hide it. I mean 1:30:57.520 --> 1:31:00.479 I've done. Everybody just looks at me as a true 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:04.240 New Yorker, which I am. I'm capable of dealing Southering 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:07.280 and all that kind of stuff, but I can't get 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:09.920 rid of the deep boys. So New York is just 1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:13.120 very natural. And you know, I'm born in the Bronx 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:15.720 and this is really what I sound like. Yeah, you know, 1:31:15.880 --> 1:31:18.599 it's walk talk coffee, or I can say walk talk 1:31:18.680 --> 1:31:22.960 and coffee, you know, just as easy. But I'd like 1:31:23.040 --> 1:31:24.400 to have a paycheck behind it. 1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:25.080 Yeah. 1:31:28.600 --> 1:31:30.639 Wait, were you playing Southern when you were in Patty 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:36.360 No Patty Cakes is New Jersey, right, Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 1:31:36.600 --> 1:31:39.280 that was another fun one that Yeah, we love Bridget 1:31:39.560 --> 1:31:40.760 we know Bridget from New York. 1:31:40.960 --> 1:31:43.120 How could you not know? Everybody knows Bridget? 1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:43.800 You know. 1:31:45.680 --> 1:31:48.120 I went to coun to the Camp Film Festival with her. 1:31:49.120 --> 1:31:53.160 This is an amazing woman, an amazing, amazing woman who's 1:31:53.280 --> 1:31:58.560 like a trained opera singer. I basically stalked her on 1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:00.560 patty cakes on a day I didn't have to go 1:32:00.640 --> 1:32:04.559 to work. They were shooting up in my hometown in Yonkers, right, 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:08.360 and I had to go up to sign papers or something, 1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:10.600 but I went. I said, oh, I'll just come to 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:14.400 you just so I could hear her sing. She is 1:32:14.840 --> 1:32:19.439 so brilliant and so frigging funny, yet she's so shy 1:32:20.240 --> 1:32:23.760 kind of you know. Yeah, yeah, she's just brilliant. And 1:32:24.600 --> 1:32:26.160 the two of us in the South of France, we 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:29.080 really just don't fit in, or I should say I didn't, 1:32:29.600 --> 1:32:31.600 but we made damn sure we did, and we had 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:32.439 a hell of a time. 1:32:32.840 --> 1:32:33.560 Oh I love that. 1:32:34.400 --> 1:32:36.280 Yeah, I mean, when am I going to play an 1:32:36.320 --> 1:32:40.080 eighty year old chain smoking grandmother in a wheelchair raps? 1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:43.680 I think I actually got a residual check and I 1:32:43.840 --> 1:32:46.120 was like, from what is it from? And it was 1:32:46.160 --> 1:32:50.080 from rapping from the song. Oh yeah, you're getting iTunes money. 1:32:50.120 --> 1:32:52.720 You're getting that Spotify money. I think three dollars and 1:32:52.800 --> 1:32:56.400 sixty eight cents. I turned yeah, but I forgot I 1:32:56.479 --> 1:32:56.960 even did it. 1:32:57.400 --> 1:32:58.080 I was like, what is that? 1:32:58.200 --> 1:33:00.760 Oh my gosh, Yeah it was good. 1:33:01.680 --> 1:33:06.320 Love that. Bridget Her like quote as dreams don't have deadlines, 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:07.680 and I think about that a lot. 1:33:08.000 --> 1:33:10.400 Oh that's nice, and hear that one. 1:33:10.960 --> 1:33:14.519 Yeah, she says that often, and so sometimes I think 1:33:14.560 --> 1:33:14.880 about that. 1:33:15.120 --> 1:33:15.479 I like it. 1:33:15.760 --> 1:33:20.320 Yeah, I love that. Yeah, you're right, dreams don't have deadlines. No, 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:24.000 I mean I'm up there now and I'm certainly not done. 1:33:24.479 --> 1:33:28.400 Yeah, what are your Are there specific characters or types 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:31.519 of parts you're still waiting to do that you'd love to? 1:33:32.000 --> 1:33:32.200 Oh? 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:36.160 Yeah, I mean there's ones, of course that I want to, 1:33:36.280 --> 1:33:39.200 but I'll never I'll never get them unless I start 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:43.800 creating my own stuff, you know. But yeah, I'm I'm 1:33:43.880 --> 1:33:45.519 not done, not yet. 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:46.400 Not. 1:33:46.600 --> 1:33:49.080 Yeah. I mean, I'm old. My kids are young. They 1:33:49.120 --> 1:33:51.679 remind me every day, Oh my god, mom, you're so old. 1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:54.639 I was like, oh my god, but yes, I'm still 1:33:54.720 --> 1:34:00.000 paying for you. But you know, maybe because I didn't 1:34:00.240 --> 1:34:02.800 have children till I was forty, and then I had 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:06.320 three in a year. I had twins and little kath 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:09.599 and Joe and then Bella and I had all three 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:12.720 and they, you know, now they're twenty and twenty one. 1:34:13.040 --> 1:34:16.240 So yeah, I'm sort of in the same boat. I 1:34:16.360 --> 1:34:19.080 had my kids kind of late as well, so they're 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:19.559 young now. 1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:21.240 But how old are your kids? 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:24.799 Ten months and three on for Saturday? 1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:25.320 Wow? 1:34:26.680 --> 1:34:27.640 But I'm happy that I. 1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:30.280 Like did a lot before I had kids, Yeah, because 1:34:30.320 --> 1:34:31.120 now now. 1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:34.320 We just live for them and do nothing with yourselves whatsoever. 1:34:34.479 --> 1:34:34.679 Yeah. 1:34:34.760 --> 1:34:37.240 I got to travel, I got to party and have fun, 1:34:37.320 --> 1:34:39.240 and now i'm and then I was ready. 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:44.000 To Oh yeah, No, I've lived a nice life and 1:34:44.120 --> 1:34:46.960 now I kind of share things with them. But you know, 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:49.560 good for you. I guess. I don't know if I 1:34:49.760 --> 1:34:50.920 planned on waiting. 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:52.200 I don't know. 1:34:52.360 --> 1:34:54.479 Life happens for a reason. It's kind of like dreams 1:34:54.520 --> 1:34:58.280 don't have deadlines. I always, you know, wanted to have children, 1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:01.600 and I guess it happens when it was supposed to. 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:05.800 I wasn't planned, that's for sure, so I just kept 1:35:05.880 --> 1:35:09.920 them coming. But you know, you can't plan twins. No 1:35:10.120 --> 1:35:16.800 I'm not, but no twins, and I certainly didn't plan. 1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:20.360 I did not plan another one within the same year. 1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:24.400 But anyway, these things happened. You know, everybody used to say, well, 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:27.400 who'd you go to? And I didn't know what it meant. 1:35:27.880 --> 1:35:30.400 They automatically think, you know, once you were over thirty five, 1:35:30.560 --> 1:35:35.679 that you know you're dead, yeah, and you'll never have children. 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:36.800 I was like, what do you mean? Who did I 1:35:36.920 --> 1:35:39.960 go to? Like? What doctor? You know? I was like, 1:35:40.040 --> 1:35:42.880 I don't have any plastic surgery. They meant in vitro 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:45.600 and I was like, I was like, oh no, I 1:35:45.800 --> 1:35:48.400 just got lucky on the Thursday it was raining. 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:52.800 I guess yeah, I don't know. Yeah, because they called they. 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:56.160 Start referring to you as geriatric pregnancy from thirty five 1:35:56.240 --> 1:35:57.200 and up, Like. 1:35:57.360 --> 1:35:59.840 It's crazy, it's wild, but you know it's it's a 1:36:00.000 --> 1:36:04.880 really it's a big joy for me. It's you know, 1:36:05.000 --> 1:36:08.400 that's my biggest accomplishment for me. Yeah, you'll feel that 1:36:08.520 --> 1:36:09.639 way soon, I promise. 1:36:10.400 --> 1:36:13.639 No, I'm on my way. 1:36:13.640 --> 1:36:15.040 I mean, my ten month old is on a full 1:36:15.120 --> 1:36:17.439 hunger strike right now, where he's refusing all foods, So 1:36:17.560 --> 1:36:18.920 I'm kind of like that. 1:36:19.160 --> 1:36:24.920 Can't do you know, Helen Shaver, I do extras direct. 1:36:25.000 --> 1:36:28.720 We interviewed her and she was saying how her son 1:36:28.960 --> 1:36:31.599 now works on sets and that like the most proud 1:36:31.720 --> 1:36:33.960 she's ever been in her life is going and watching 1:36:34.479 --> 1:36:37.240 that everyone on set saw him the way she saw him, 1:36:38.000 --> 1:36:40.720 and she it was just like a beauty. She just 1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:44.160 talked about it so beautifully and it touched me that 1:36:44.439 --> 1:36:47.160 that was like such a moment to see people see 1:36:47.200 --> 1:36:48.880 her son in the way that she loved him. 1:36:49.760 --> 1:36:54.000 To see like, my kids really comfortable on set and 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:57.800 it's really nice. But to see what my son has 1:36:57.880 --> 1:37:02.839 accomplished is I know, mind blowing. I hope he hires 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:06.639 me one day. It's kind of like I'm not even 1:37:06.720 --> 1:37:10.160 on his lists or anything. You know, It's like he 1:37:10.520 --> 1:37:15.000 definitely does not need me in any aspect of his career. 1:37:15.120 --> 1:37:17.439 And I'm kind of like chomping at the bed that 1:37:17.560 --> 1:37:20.280 perhaps one day he'll hire me. And to see my 1:37:20.479 --> 1:37:25.599 daughter her writing skills for a person of that age, 1:37:26.760 --> 1:37:31.560 she's well, I mean ahead of her time. And my 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:35.080 little Kathy, I mean just you know, like you know, 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:37.320 she'll cater like if I do is short or something, 1:37:37.400 --> 1:37:39.160 she'll come and she'll do the craft service and the 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:42.960 catering on it. She just puts it all together. Yeah, 1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:47.720 they're just they're very independent of me, and you know, 1:37:47.840 --> 1:37:50.160 they do their own stuff. But like if I'm going, 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:51.920 if I have to go to work and stuff, I'm like, 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:55.200 does anybody want to come with me? And early on 1:37:55.400 --> 1:37:57.160 they were like, yeah, i'll come, I'll come. And now 1:37:57.240 --> 1:38:00.160 it's like I'm kind of busy. Mom be like, oh 1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:01.960 my god, I'm totally ditched. 1:38:02.040 --> 1:38:08.200 Now can I ask you a quick question about when 1:38:08.240 --> 1:38:12.160 you came back onto SVU. You were now you're a cop, 1:38:12.360 --> 1:38:14.920 You're Tony Howard. First you're a lieutenant and then you're 1:38:14.920 --> 1:38:17.000 a captain. So you're moving on up in the Brooklyn 1:38:17.160 --> 1:38:18.600 moving on Brooklyn. 1:38:18.360 --> 1:38:21.800 Side of the NYPD, And like, so your son gets 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:25.040 killed in this episode poison Motive and you have to 1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:28.719 like you and Iced Tea got like a really nice 1:38:28.760 --> 1:38:31.320 moment together where you were like crying on a shoulder. 1:38:31.479 --> 1:38:32.680 So yeah, what's your do you love? 1:38:32.760 --> 1:38:33.000 Ice? 1:38:33.280 --> 1:38:36.479 Like, what's they do? There isn't one person that I 1:38:37.520 --> 1:38:41.880 don't like, and I mean there's just silly stories. Yeah, 1:38:42.000 --> 1:38:44.840 that was great, And he's just a sweetheart. He's like 1:38:44.920 --> 1:38:45.840 a big teddy. 1:38:45.600 --> 1:38:46.080 Bear, you know. 1:38:47.080 --> 1:38:49.519 But in the you know, it's like the camera guys, 1:38:49.680 --> 1:38:52.880 you just know everybody. Yeah, because we've all been around 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:58.000 for so long, you know, But I think SVU was 1:38:58.120 --> 1:39:03.000 the most fun. What was the other one? What did 1:39:03.040 --> 1:39:04.240 you guys call the original? 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:04.960 Well? 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:07.599 The Mothership is when people the mother ship? 1:39:08.600 --> 1:39:13.760 The mothership is a great one. Also SVU is they 1:39:13.880 --> 1:39:16.840 just have it down to a science. They have it 1:39:16.960 --> 1:39:20.879 down to a science. And yeah, now I'm a captain. 1:39:21.320 --> 1:39:23.679 I don't know if I can come back now unless 1:39:23.720 --> 1:39:26.599 I play that part. I really would love to come 1:39:26.680 --> 1:39:27.080 back though. 1:39:27.320 --> 1:39:31.120 I mean, they you know, it's been seven or eight years. 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:34.000 They bring people back all the time for stuff, so 1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:34.599 who knows. 1:39:34.720 --> 1:39:35.599 Let's get you back now. 1:39:35.680 --> 1:39:38.439 That was my go to. I would do one a year, 1:39:38.600 --> 1:39:41.200 you know. Yeah, but you know, hopefully they'll have me 1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:43.720 back because I do it. I enjoy doing it, Yeah, 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:44.320 for sure? 1:39:44.479 --> 1:39:50.240 Really do Now do you prefer a Maloney or an Amorrow? Yeah, 1:39:50.360 --> 1:39:53.960 Christopher Maloney or Danny Pino In terms of sexiness. 1:39:54.720 --> 1:39:58.679 That's a tough one. Now, that's a tough one. I've 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:00.360 worked with Danny twice now. 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:00.880 Yeah. 1:40:01.200 --> 1:40:05.879 And I love Elizabeth also, who's on it. She's just wonderful. 1:40:05.920 --> 1:40:09.040 We laughed so hard one day, I was we were like, 1:40:09.120 --> 1:40:11.120 what does this mean? She goes, Oh, I have no idea. 1:40:11.120 --> 1:40:14.000 It's all smoke and mirrors, Kathy, I don't even know 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:17.200 what it was, something really simple that we both should 1:40:17.200 --> 1:40:19.840 have known, and we didn't have a clue because it's 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:23.040 all smoke and mirrors. The wardrobe lady, if your shirt 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:25.640 doesn't fit a couple of times, I was pregnant when 1:40:25.680 --> 1:40:28.760 I did the chat, So we'll just cut it off 1:40:28.800 --> 1:40:31.920 the back like an Armani's a blouse. She just would 1:40:31.960 --> 1:40:32.920 take a scissor to the back. 1:40:32.960 --> 1:40:35.280 I'd be like, whoa, you can't do that. It's three 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:36.000 thousand dollars. 1:40:36.760 --> 1:40:37.559 It's law and order. 1:40:37.680 --> 1:40:38.719 They have plenty of money. 1:40:39.080 --> 1:40:40.080 Oh my gosh. 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:45.760 But yeah, but I don't prefer either to or It's 1:40:45.840 --> 1:40:48.120 just I know Danny more than I know Chris. 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:51.960 Will you tell us this like story of how you 1:40:52.160 --> 1:40:56.760 got like discovered and cast in Raging Bull and all that, because. 1:40:56.560 --> 1:40:59.160 It's like, oh, my host Cinderella. Well, I've heard I 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:01.800 don't want to hear it from the Wikipedia. I'd love 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:02.519 to hear it from you. 1:41:04.240 --> 1:41:08.800 All right, I'll make it quit. Let's say I was 1:41:08.920 --> 1:41:13.679 seventeen I wanted to be an actress. When I was sixteen, 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:16.240 I applied for a grant to go to acting school. 1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:21.160 It was nineteen seventy six, seventy five whatever. They didn't 1:41:21.160 --> 1:41:25.320 consider acting a profession then, so I drank my house 1:41:25.400 --> 1:41:27.320 into work am I left to say that, yeah, I 1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:30.080 can say whatever I want. So I went to work 1:41:30.160 --> 1:41:33.280 and I would work and then I would go and 1:41:33.880 --> 1:41:36.880 get you know, backstage drama, logue, all those things go on, 1:41:37.000 --> 1:41:41.960 open casting calls, blah blah whatever. So then like at 1:41:42.040 --> 1:41:44.600 some point I was like, well, I really need to 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:48.720 do something more with my life. I did not come 1:41:48.800 --> 1:41:52.240 with a silver spoon in my mouth. I definitely was 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:55.479 not having Mommy and Daddy were not paying for college 1:41:55.920 --> 1:41:58.600 or braces for that matter. Anyway, I was in this 1:41:58.760 --> 1:42:01.960 nightclub that we used to hang out at Alan old 1:42:02.040 --> 1:42:05.280 people from the Bronx were there, and they were interviewing 1:42:05.360 --> 1:42:08.600 Joe Peeshey at the same time for Raging Bull. But 1:42:08.680 --> 1:42:11.240 actually it wasn't even Joe Peeschi that they were looking for. 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:14.160 They were looking at this maybe death Collector that our 1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:18.519 friend Joe Cortesi started, and Joe Peeshy happened to have 1:42:18.640 --> 1:42:22.040 been in it. Joe Peeshi actually really looked a lot 1:42:22.200 --> 1:42:27.240 like Joey Lamata, So anyway, he was I don't know 1:42:27.360 --> 1:42:30.479 what he was doing at this restaurant. Am she's in 1:42:30.600 --> 1:42:33.040 the Bronx on one hundred and eighty seventh. But I 1:42:33.160 --> 1:42:37.720 knew everybody there because my dad was a longshoreman and 1:42:37.840 --> 1:42:41.720 worked down now on the dogs, and we used to 1:42:41.760 --> 1:42:45.680 have an overabundance of seafood in our house and I 1:42:45.840 --> 1:42:47.800 used to drive down every other Friday night and sell 1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:50.320 it out of the trunk of my car. So there 1:42:50.400 --> 1:42:53.559 you go. So I knew Joe and all these people, 1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:55.920 and they would come down to Hoops and they had 1:42:55.960 --> 1:42:58.439 like a bathing beauty contest. I wanted this pair of 1:42:58.600 --> 1:43:01.800 shoes early, but they were one hundred dollars. This is 1:43:01.840 --> 1:43:06.960 back in nineteen seventy six, seventy seven. So somebody dared me, 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:09.040 like we were coming from the beach anyway, They'll like, 1:43:09.120 --> 1:43:11.680 just go into bathing baddy contest. If you win, you'll 1:43:11.680 --> 1:43:13.439 get the hundred dollars. If not, I'll give you the 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:16.000 hundred dollars you could buy the shoes. I was like, 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:19.280 all right now with that, So I did, and I won, 1:43:20.240 --> 1:43:22.439 and I got the shoes. 1:43:22.840 --> 1:43:23.920 So I was very happy. 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:27.080 Anyway that they would show you pictures, they would have 1:43:27.200 --> 1:43:30.840 talent contests and singing contests and dance contests and blah blah, 1:43:31.720 --> 1:43:33.559 and my picture used to go up on the screen. 1:43:33.560 --> 1:43:35.400 They're like, Kathy, you know you really look a lot 1:43:35.479 --> 1:43:38.280 like VICKI lamatta, why don't you send your picture in? 1:43:39.160 --> 1:43:42.120 So I did. Now, it's not like I had a 1:43:42.200 --> 1:43:44.599 headshot or anything like that. It was a little three 1:43:44.640 --> 1:43:47.920 by five snapshot. And I lied and I said I 1:43:48.040 --> 1:43:49.800 was union. I didn't even know what a union was. 1:43:50.240 --> 1:43:54.000 Everything was a big lie, but I had the balls enough. 1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:54.200 To do it. 1:43:54.560 --> 1:43:58.639 Okay, So I sent it in and fis Gorman, who 1:43:58.720 --> 1:44:02.599 I love, who passed away. She was like, Kat, come down, 1:44:02.680 --> 1:44:06.360 I want to see you. So I went down and 1:44:06.680 --> 1:44:09.040 I met with her and she gave me what a 1:44:09.160 --> 1:44:12.680 cold side scenes from the script, which I don't even 1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:14.760 know if I ever got a script, but anyway, I 1:44:14.800 --> 1:44:16.639 would read them and she's like, hold on, I want 1:44:16.680 --> 1:44:20.320 you to meet some friends of mine. And I walked 1:44:20.320 --> 1:44:21.960 down a really long haulway. This is like on my 1:44:22.160 --> 1:44:25.600 third or fourth trip in and she goes, Kathy, this 1:44:25.760 --> 1:44:27.640 is Bobby and Marty, and I was like, hey, how 1:44:27.720 --> 1:44:32.320 you doing. Meanwhile was like scorsesean Genero. And that was 1:44:32.360 --> 1:44:34.679 in October, and I ended up working with them almost 1:44:34.760 --> 1:44:38.559 every day, none on the weekends usually, and I would 1:44:38.560 --> 1:44:41.080 go back. I was working in the garment center, and 1:44:41.160 --> 1:44:43.880 then I was waitressing at Brunberger on fifty seventh the 1:44:44.040 --> 1:44:49.280 six after and I just kept going back and getting 1:44:49.320 --> 1:44:52.280 my free acting lessons and working with them. And then 1:44:52.320 --> 1:44:55.200 they went to la for two weeks to cast and 1:44:55.280 --> 1:44:58.719 they didn't call me anymore, and I was like, all right, whatever, 1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:01.240 But it was convence because I ended up getting like 1:45:01.320 --> 1:45:04.040 pneumonia and was in the hospital. Anyway, the day I 1:45:04.120 --> 1:45:06.720 got out of the hospital, they called for me to 1:45:06.800 --> 1:45:09.240 come back again, and I was like, yea, all right whatever. 1:45:09.960 --> 1:45:12.200 Then they called and they said, we'd like to give 1:45:12.240 --> 1:45:15.519 you a screen test. Okay, I didn't even know what 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:18.160 a screen test was. And I know it was down 1:45:18.200 --> 1:45:21.280 on Mother's soundstage on Fifth Street, and I know it 1:45:21.400 --> 1:45:23.519 was like at five o'clock in the morning. Of course, 1:45:23.640 --> 1:45:25.360 we were not supposed to go out the night before, 1:45:25.800 --> 1:45:26.599 and we all did. 1:45:27.680 --> 1:45:27.720 So. 1:45:29.000 --> 1:45:31.080 Now you have to remember, I'm born in the sixties 1:45:31.160 --> 1:45:34.400 and I'm playing somebody in the forties and stuff. And 1:45:34.680 --> 1:45:38.120 they had like these weird bathing suits and people had 1:45:38.160 --> 1:45:41.599 eyebrows and red lips back then. This is now the seventies. 1:45:41.680 --> 1:45:44.880 We all looked like Parah Foster or tried to so 1:45:45.360 --> 1:45:47.960 I did. I remember the first day. It was supposed 1:45:48.000 --> 1:45:50.920 to be like a two day screen test, and I 1:45:51.080 --> 1:45:54.200 was very uncomfortable with that time period because I knew 1:45:54.200 --> 1:45:59.600 nothing about it. I really had no formal training. My 1:46:00.000 --> 1:46:03.360 gest issue was I really didn't have technical training. I 1:46:03.640 --> 1:46:06.360 literally thought that you show a movie with a video 1:46:06.479 --> 1:46:10.800 handheld video camera. I did not know so during my 1:46:11.200 --> 1:46:14.479 screen test, and it was funny because, and I can 1:46:14.600 --> 1:46:17.760 say it now, it was I was screen testing. It 1:46:17.880 --> 1:46:24.719 was myself and Beverly d'angela, another twins had twins together, 1:46:25.439 --> 1:46:29.560 Big one Order girl. I still talked to Beverly to 1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:30.720 this day, love her to Dad. 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:31.680 I love that. 1:46:32.680 --> 1:46:34.680 Yeah. And it was so funny because she's the one 1:46:34.760 --> 1:46:36.400 that told me that they called her and told her 1:46:36.439 --> 1:46:39.720 don't bother coming in. We found our girl. But while 1:46:39.760 --> 1:46:41.920 I would wait downstairs for my turn to go back 1:46:42.000 --> 1:46:44.920 up and do rehearsals and stuff, I would see all 1:46:45.000 --> 1:46:48.560 these huge movie stars and icons coming out of the 1:46:48.600 --> 1:46:52.000 building from auditioning. I mean, like some really big people, 1:46:52.280 --> 1:46:55.760 you know. So I do the screen test and Scorsese 1:46:55.920 --> 1:46:57.840 looked at me and goes, are you ready? I think 1:46:57.880 --> 1:47:00.960 we were doing the pool scene first. So they built 1:47:01.000 --> 1:47:04.639 like a little chain link fans whatever, and they said, Kathy, 1:47:04.640 --> 1:47:07.719 you're ready, and I was like yeah. Scorsese said action. 1:47:08.680 --> 1:47:11.040 And you know, he was pretty kind of pasty and 1:47:11.120 --> 1:47:11.519 pale to. 1:47:11.560 --> 1:47:13.880 Begin with, and he went even like whiter. 1:47:14.880 --> 1:47:16.679 He was like, what's wrong. I said, well, I'm waiting 1:47:16.720 --> 1:47:20.320 for all these people to leave. He said, Kathy, they're 1:47:20.360 --> 1:47:23.120 not leaving. I said, well, why didn't you just tell 1:47:23.200 --> 1:47:25.559 me that. I was like, all right, now I'm ready. 1:47:26.360 --> 1:47:28.360 I thought you just did it like in a room 1:47:28.400 --> 1:47:31.080 with the two people. I didn't know that you had 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:34.360 every grip and lighting guy and ken, you know, all 1:47:34.439 --> 1:47:37.760 these people all around. I still to this day have 1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:40.320 a hard time with camera left. I don't know why 1:47:40.400 --> 1:47:42.679 they just don't say, take a step to your right, Cathy. 1:47:43.560 --> 1:47:46.680 So I had to learn all the technical stuff, and 1:47:46.760 --> 1:47:52.320 which I did. But Denaro Scorsese, God bless my poor 1:47:52.400 --> 1:47:56.840 Joe Patchy, who I just love dearly. So I do 1:47:56.960 --> 1:47:58.560 the screen test. They said they'll let me know in 1:47:58.600 --> 1:48:00.600 ten days. They called me the next they said you 1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:03.720 have the part. I said, all right, great, So now 1:48:03.800 --> 1:48:06.639 we're supposed to shoot in New York in three days 1:48:06.640 --> 1:48:09.200 after that, They're like, well, we changed our minds. We're 1:48:09.200 --> 1:48:11.479 going to do all the fight scenes first, so you're 1:48:11.560 --> 1:48:16.519 moving to California. And I wasn't completely sold on that. 1:48:17.560 --> 1:48:19.240 So when I first went out there, they put me 1:48:19.360 --> 1:48:22.200 up at the high End on Sunset and they cordially 1:48:22.320 --> 1:48:25.639 and quickly moved me to the Chateau or mom where 1:48:25.640 --> 1:48:29.439 everybody else was staying. Ah, but sun Sid Boulevard at 1:48:29.479 --> 1:48:31.920 that point, Schwabs was still there, which is where a 1:48:31.960 --> 1:48:35.640 Lana Turner was discovered, was where all the hookers were. 1:48:36.320 --> 1:48:38.479 So one day I had this really big, bright idea 1:48:38.560 --> 1:48:40.280 that I'm going to walk down to Schwaps. I needed 1:48:40.360 --> 1:48:43.400 shampoo and stuff, and then somebody held up a sign 1:48:43.439 --> 1:48:46.200 of asking me how much, and two girls told me 1:48:46.280 --> 1:48:48.960 to get off their beat. And I was like, uh oh, 1:48:49.680 --> 1:48:52.400 I don't think I understand the video of this, and 1:48:52.520 --> 1:48:55.040 its just another little blonde fucking moment for me. 1:48:55.280 --> 1:49:00.400 But O, could I tell you that's an amazing my 1:49:00.600 --> 1:49:03.840 silver story. And then you got nominated for an Oscar 1:49:03.960 --> 1:49:07.280 for your first role ever? I did, Yeah, I mean, 1:49:08.040 --> 1:49:09.400 was your mind just like blown? 1:49:09.640 --> 1:49:10.600 Don't I don't even know? 1:49:10.800 --> 1:49:14.200 I didn't understand what anything. You don't you remember now. 1:49:14.400 --> 1:49:17.960 I met them in October of seventy eight. I didn't 1:49:18.000 --> 1:49:20.880 get to part until like February or March. So I 1:49:21.000 --> 1:49:23.680 worked with them for like five to six months. Then 1:49:23.760 --> 1:49:28.120 we went to la and we shot from April until Christmas. 1:49:28.560 --> 1:49:28.760 Wow. 1:49:29.520 --> 1:49:31.320 Then it took a whole another year for the movie 1:49:31.360 --> 1:49:34.440 to come out, right, didn't come out til the following Christmas. 1:49:35.320 --> 1:49:38.599 Then the nominations came out, and you know you're supposed 1:49:38.600 --> 1:49:41.200 to like really stay put and do like a campaign. 1:49:42.120 --> 1:49:44.320 Well I got nervous and I just left and went 1:49:44.360 --> 1:49:47.920 to Europe. So you know, I just didn't really do 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:51.360 things completely right. So shame on me. 1:49:51.640 --> 1:49:54.679 No, I mean you were probably nineteen twenty. 1:49:55.040 --> 1:49:57.520 Who knows how I was the right thing about seventeen 1:49:57.600 --> 1:50:02.479 and eighteen, and I guess at the Oscars I got Yeah, 1:50:02.560 --> 1:50:04.280 while I did the movie, I was twenty at the 1:50:04.320 --> 1:50:05.840 Oscars or twenty one. Yeah. 1:50:06.080 --> 1:50:09.799 It just went on forever, you know, it went on forever. 1:50:10.520 --> 1:50:13.720 But you know, the greatest experience of a lifetime. And 1:50:13.840 --> 1:50:16.320 I will be indebted to all of them the rest 1:50:16.400 --> 1:50:18.680 of my life and completely grateful to them. 1:50:22.960 --> 1:50:24.679 Kathy Maury Artie, I can't. 1:50:24.840 --> 1:50:26.960 Like if you told me in fifth grade that I 1:50:27.080 --> 1:50:29.880 was gonna meet Montana Morehead from fucking soap Dish, I 1:50:29.960 --> 1:50:31.479 would have like fainted on the spot. 1:50:31.720 --> 1:50:32.639 She was so cool. 1:50:33.320 --> 1:50:34.200 No, she's incredible. 1:50:34.680 --> 1:50:37.880 I also love people that are like about the work 1:50:38.080 --> 1:50:41.200 and pick interesting characters and just embody them and like 1:50:41.280 --> 1:50:44.880 we said, like such serious moments but so much comedy 1:50:44.960 --> 1:50:47.840 layered underneath it and just like a badass. I love 1:50:47.880 --> 1:50:50.479 the way she talked about her kids, her life. 1:50:50.640 --> 1:50:50.880 Yeah. 1:50:51.720 --> 1:50:54.839 Also just such a cool story of somebody Like honestly, 1:50:55.240 --> 1:50:57.559 you're watching stuff and you're like, I just found out 1:50:57.600 --> 1:51:00.760 Chris Pine is like also related to some famous Like 1:51:01.120 --> 1:51:03.479 you just don't have any idea how many people in 1:51:03.560 --> 1:51:06.200 this business are related to famous people. Like the nepotism 1:51:06.400 --> 1:51:09.479 is everywhere, And this is just a girl who was like, yeah, 1:51:09.520 --> 1:51:11.120 I want to do this. I'm just gonna like move 1:51:11.479 --> 1:51:14.800 and see what happens and caught a huge break. And 1:51:14.880 --> 1:51:16.919 I just like to hear sort of like these Hollywood 1:51:16.960 --> 1:51:19.639 fairy tales of like a big break happening that doesn't 1:51:19.680 --> 1:51:21.519 have to do with like your dad getting you into 1:51:22.000 --> 1:51:22.960 like the business, you know. 1:51:23.560 --> 1:51:25.360 Yeah, absolutely so I love that. 1:51:26.400 --> 1:51:29.520 I will say for what I've learned from this episode. 1:51:30.120 --> 1:51:32.800 Like I think this episode when I watched it originally 1:51:32.880 --> 1:51:34.840 and when I've watched it many times over the years, 1:51:35.360 --> 1:51:38.960 it like it always really reminds me that, like, I 1:51:39.040 --> 1:51:41.440 don't know that many people who are children of alcoholics, 1:51:41.600 --> 1:51:44.479 and a couple that I really do know, oh I do, 1:51:44.720 --> 1:51:46.439 but a couple that I do know are like, oh, yeah, 1:51:46.479 --> 1:51:48.559 my dad's an alcoholic, but like whatever, he's just going 1:51:48.640 --> 1:51:50.080 to be like that, or a couple of them are 1:51:50.200 --> 1:51:52.200 like it's like a punchline that they bring up all 1:51:52.240 --> 1:51:55.360 the time, which I'm sure betrays a more deep pain 1:51:55.439 --> 1:51:58.920 that they have. But this episode really kind of makes 1:51:58.960 --> 1:52:01.080 me realize, like, oh wow, there's like all this hidden 1:52:01.160 --> 1:52:03.240 shit that you hide from the world when like your 1:52:03.360 --> 1:52:06.519 parent is at home like drinking constantly. 1:52:06.080 --> 1:52:09.080 And like abusing you, you know, yeah, or just anything 1:52:09.160 --> 1:52:11.320 that brings shame to you. Because I feel like people 1:52:11.800 --> 1:52:13.760 whose parents are hoarders or. 1:52:15.479 --> 1:52:19.120 You know, adult babies, like they want to hide all. 1:52:19.200 --> 1:52:19.439 Sure. 1:52:19.840 --> 1:52:21.960 I guess it's just like this girl was like, I'm 1:52:22.000 --> 1:52:24.400 a teenager, I'm like a fully formed person, and I 1:52:24.479 --> 1:52:26.880 can't like speak to my mom because like every time 1:52:26.920 --> 1:52:29.640 I try to talk to her she's drinking, she's an 1:52:29.720 --> 1:52:33.360 unreliable narrator, she's revising history. You know, it's just like 1:52:33.760 --> 1:52:35.920 you'd feel like you were going insane. It's like their 1:52:36.120 --> 1:52:38.679 entire personality is like gaslighting. 1:52:38.120 --> 1:52:40.400 You you know. Yeah. I also, I don't know if 1:52:40.400 --> 1:52:42.360 it happens often, but I do like the idea of 1:52:42.479 --> 1:52:48.240 hiding bottles of liquor in like the toilet tank. Always 1:52:48.320 --> 1:52:51.479 a toilet tank opening in the bottle life hang in there. 1:52:51.600 --> 1:52:54.960 In a light fixture that's hanging, like in the hamper, 1:52:55.240 --> 1:52:57.639 like wow, so many, so many creative places. 1:52:57.800 --> 1:53:00.840 It gave me a good treasure hunt like map of 1:53:01.000 --> 1:53:02.880 like Okay, this is what I'm going to search for 1:53:03.120 --> 1:53:08.519 and look for it all. Yeah, but great acting teens murder. 1:53:08.680 --> 1:53:11.320 Don't murder your parents, but you could get away with it, 1:53:11.520 --> 1:53:12.400 so that's kind of fun. 1:53:12.800 --> 1:53:16.800 Yeah, if you have if you have severe periods, you 1:53:16.920 --> 1:53:20.240 might have PMDD or whatever PMD I forgot what it's called, 1:53:20.280 --> 1:53:22.040 but go get that checked out. I don't want you 1:53:22.040 --> 1:53:23.760 to murder anyone, even though that's not what happened in 1:53:23.800 --> 1:53:25.040 this episode. 1:53:25.520 --> 1:53:27.240 And oh yeah the real case. 1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:29.040 Yeah, don't murder your parents and go on like a 1:53:29.120 --> 1:53:31.840 joy ride vacation with your boyfriend. They're gonna find you. 1:53:32.520 --> 1:53:34.880 And I just was reminded of how much I love 1:53:34.960 --> 1:53:37.600 Glenn Hedley. Please watch Dirty Rotten Scoundrels if you've never 1:53:37.680 --> 1:53:39.200 seen it. It's like one of my favorite movies of 1:53:39.240 --> 1:53:39.599 all time. 1:53:39.640 --> 1:53:46.320 It's so good. No Scvu is just truly, I don't know, 1:53:46.560 --> 1:53:51.000 a little pot of talent, Like it really is incredible 1:53:51.120 --> 1:53:53.679 to be watching all of these actors. 1:53:54.040 --> 1:53:54.560 It really is. 1:53:55.160 --> 1:53:57.240 I mean, I don't think there's another television show that 1:53:57.360 --> 1:54:00.920 you can say gets as many people of the caliber 1:54:00.960 --> 1:54:02.960 that they get to just pop in all the time, right, 1:54:03.120 --> 1:54:05.400 Like there's nobody in the Guest Star Game like this show. 1:54:05.560 --> 1:54:09.920 Right. No, and not only just like incredible actors or 1:54:10.080 --> 1:54:14.200 very famous actors. We're talking theater, we're talking music business, 1:54:14.720 --> 1:54:17.560 we're talking the people that are coming to direct like 1:54:18.520 --> 1:54:22.000 we're really talking about just from all different walks of 1:54:22.439 --> 1:54:27.840 entertainment as well, athletes, I mean presidential government. 1:54:27.439 --> 1:54:31.920 People, yeah, vice presidents like you know, Serena Williams. 1:54:32.200 --> 1:54:38.440 It's it's it's mind boggling how many different avenues of 1:54:38.600 --> 1:54:40.240 talent are also on this show. 1:54:41.040 --> 1:54:43.320 And we're lucky to get to talk. 1:54:43.200 --> 1:54:43.800 To these people. 1:54:44.240 --> 1:54:47.280 I mean, we also learned that SVU is like predicting cases. 1:54:47.360 --> 1:54:50.000 I mean, like the Sick episode came out years before 1:54:50.080 --> 1:54:53.160 Gypsy Rose. This episode came out months before the Barber 1:54:53.240 --> 1:54:56.440 Moola X case. Like, it's just kind of wild when 1:54:56.480 --> 1:54:59.760 these like sort of specific crimes happen, not just like 1:54:59.800 --> 1:55:01.360 a and a murder, you know what I mean, like 1:55:01.480 --> 1:55:04.400 kind of more specific crimes happen, like after the show 1:55:04.440 --> 1:55:05.560 has done an episode about it. 1:55:05.640 --> 1:55:08.520 It's wild. So I guess this was just her love 1:55:08.560 --> 1:55:11.320 and ode to SVU, and we've learned where to hide 1:55:11.360 --> 1:55:15.480 our liquor and not to be, you know, to be 1:55:15.600 --> 1:55:16.680 a better parent. I don't know. 1:55:16.920 --> 1:55:18.720 Yeah, you gotta buy your you gotta buy your kid 1:55:18.760 --> 1:55:19.800 a wintercote in New York. 1:55:19.840 --> 1:55:23.520 I'm sorry, you gotta. You just gotta do it. Also, 1:55:24.400 --> 1:55:30.000 satutory rape, I don't know tough. I don't like twenty 1:55:30.040 --> 1:55:32.960 one and fifteen. I don't either, But I don't like 1:55:33.000 --> 1:55:35.120 trying to get away from your wild mom. I mean, 1:55:35.320 --> 1:55:36.680 Benson related like something. 1:55:36.760 --> 1:55:40.120 Even Benson was like even Benson was like I was sixteen, 1:55:40.400 --> 1:55:42.960 he was twenty. It was like a little bit closer 1:55:43.320 --> 1:55:46.560 or something when Benson told her story. But yeah, I mean, 1:55:46.800 --> 1:55:49.000 we'll see when Rosie's a teenager and she's like, here's 1:55:49.040 --> 1:55:50.240 my forty year old boyfriend. 1:55:50.320 --> 1:55:53.320 But no, it was God. I'm just saying, I just 1:55:53.480 --> 1:55:56.000 know what's going to happen to me now, and she 1:55:56.280 --> 1:55:58.320 is truly going to be dating women, and I have 1:55:58.440 --> 1:55:59.600 no doubt about it too. 1:56:00.240 --> 1:56:02.280 No, she literally all week has been telling me about 1:56:02.320 --> 1:56:05.720 how she's dating. She's gonna marry her best friend Isabelle, 1:56:05.760 --> 1:56:09.880 and I'm like, very possible. But also, my sister told 1:56:09.920 --> 1:56:11.120 me that a friend of hers said this, and that 1:56:11.120 --> 1:56:12.880 a couple of people have said this to me as well, 1:56:12.960 --> 1:56:16.040 that I'm not giving Oscar enough exposure on this podcast. Guys, 1:56:16.440 --> 1:56:18.680 he's a baby. He doesn't do anything funny, he doesn't 1:56:18.680 --> 1:56:21.320 say anything funny. He doesn't have a fun relationship with Lisa. 1:56:21.560 --> 1:56:23.520 I love him to death. I'm gonna talk about him 1:56:23.560 --> 1:56:25.320 so soon as soon as he starts doing more shit. 1:56:25.640 --> 1:56:28.000 Please don't think I'm neglecting my other child. Rosie just 1:56:28.120 --> 1:56:31.520 talks like a full person and says funny shit. Yeah, 1:56:32.560 --> 1:56:34.600 They're like, wow, Oscar really gets the short end of 1:56:34.640 --> 1:56:35.440 the stick on that podcast. 1:56:35.480 --> 1:56:36.440 I'm like, what should I say? 1:56:36.520 --> 1:56:39.440 Oh, Oscar spit food all over me today, lol, Like 1:56:39.560 --> 1:56:41.000 it's it's not in all. 1:56:40.880 --> 1:56:43.120 It's also not just the podcast. He's the second kid. 1:56:43.200 --> 1:56:48.400 No one cares. Sorry, sorry, Oscar cut that. Oscar can 1:56:48.480 --> 1:56:51.520 never hear me laughing at that, just kidding, keep it 1:56:51.600 --> 1:56:55.080 in all right. Isn't that the stereotype where the first 1:56:55.160 --> 1:56:56.800 kid all the rules and then the more and more 1:56:56.920 --> 1:57:00.880 kids by the youngest kid, it's like, yeah, give us shit, you. 1:57:00.920 --> 1:57:03.520 Know, yeah, who cares? 1:57:03.600 --> 1:57:03.960 Give them? 1:57:04.040 --> 1:57:04.320 Honey? 1:57:04.880 --> 1:57:07.080 Yeah, my little brothers could do whatever they wanted after 1:57:07.160 --> 1:57:10.200 we pave the way for them. But speaking of children, 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:12.520 let's get to our what would Sister Peg Do segment 1:57:12.600 --> 1:57:15.160 this week. What would Sister Peg Do is our weekly 1:57:15.200 --> 1:57:18.240 segment where we give you guys a charity, an organization, 1:57:18.400 --> 1:57:20.400 a book, a link to an article, something that's going 1:57:20.440 --> 1:57:22.040 to help flesh out a little bit more of what 1:57:22.120 --> 1:57:24.840 we touched on in today's episode. 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