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Speaker 5: Now your hosts Barry Church, Anthony dor Set, de Montree Moore,
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Speaker 6: Players Lounge coming in from that WC podcast studio, home
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Speaker 6: So as we walk in there, you see where the
Speaker 6: team is out there getting ready for the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4: Anthony dor Set.
Speaker 6: Former NFL players here, Trey Moore, fourth NFL player, Aggie
Speaker 6: Hall of Famous here, Barry Churchy NFL player Alito Rocket
Speaker 6: Hall of Famer here. Yes, sirs, still will not give
Speaker 6: forty the club and I had longer arms.
Speaker 4: I'll be able to speech up in there.
Speaker 2: And you're about to get a promotion, getting another paid.
Speaker 6: So why are we on the fact that Church ain't
Speaker 6: giving no money? Alma mon, I mean I give credit,
Speaker 6: he consisted.
Speaker 2: Okay, how you.
Speaker 4: Doing over there with your donation?
Speaker 7: Hey man, I'm not you know, let me go ahead. Correct,
Speaker 7: you've been saying hall of Famer, you've been speaking there
Speaker 7: into resistance, So uh, I got a case of the
Speaker 7: baby churches.
Speaker 2: I get him the arms and short. Hey, they said
Speaker 2: I ain't paid enough. That's why ain't in the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame. Can't reach down and I can't read. I'm
Speaker 2: just here. I'm just here.
Speaker 7: I support my as we talked ten you know, shout
Speaker 7: out to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I was a peacock and I let
Speaker 2: my feathers.
Speaker 6: Co off.
Speaker 4: No aggie club membership?
Speaker 2: What you guys say all that? Bro? Hey, I'm there,
Speaker 2: I'm there. Hey, did you giving back to Pitt? You?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 8: Man, I haven't that door set endowment.
Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying. But you know I
Speaker 4: get I get back through my time and my love
Speaker 4: and my support.
Speaker 9: What I got sweat tweet, I got sweat equity.
Speaker 4: Over there, you wear Toledo shirt. I've seen you. Where
Speaker 4: have you seen any blue and gold on this man?
Speaker 10: It's a story behind it. I let you all know
Speaker 10: you do you all even know that the nickname Toledo? No,
Speaker 10: because he don't tell you. Man, you don't support it,
Speaker 10: you don't support But I'm just.
Speaker 7: Saying, what's what's your what's your war cry? What's the
Speaker 7: we ain't really got no war cri signed or something.
Speaker 4: What's your mascot?
Speaker 2: What a rocket? Yeah?
Speaker 10: Stalk glass's glass ball.
Speaker 2: He said, you need to lift off into them pockets.
Speaker 2: He can't reached. Man, can't you give him one hundred dollars?
Speaker 4: It's gonna be like Shot, come blessed this man with
Speaker 4: a bag. Shout black Jackson, blessed this man with a
Speaker 4: bad the Hall of Fame. You know what they do? Okay,
Speaker 4: they put him in the Hall of Fame for they
Speaker 4: saw the bag.
Speaker 6: They said, right, okay, So somebody in Toledo saw Berry
Speaker 6: Church get paid by Shot. What an opportune time to
Speaker 6: put him in the hall. So you come up there
Speaker 6: for it. They shaking your hand, and nobody from there.
Speaker 2: Did you.
Speaker 7: They did get back to you, but y'all see, y'all
Speaker 7: see what can paid them the best black pedal in
Speaker 7: the league.
Speaker 2: Let me say, get out of there, t stuff. I'll
Speaker 2: get back to you on it.
Speaker 9: You know, gradu athletic being in there, congratulations on man.
Speaker 7: I feel like my just coming in like a year
Speaker 7: or two, you know, I seen my boy. Look jokers
Speaker 7: going there, Johnny Man, hopefully I will be soon. I
Speaker 7: went in there sat Rocky.
Speaker 11: He did.
Speaker 2: He did have a whole revolution in that man. He did.
Speaker 4: Johnny went in there together, Yeah, yeah he did, he did. Yeah,
Speaker 4: went in there with Mike. They did. Okay, So when
Speaker 4: you make sure you bring.
Speaker 7: It back, man, you got what they said. You gotta
Speaker 7: make them feel good to do something like that. And
Speaker 7: the way my checkings are savings is set up.
Speaker 9: You got you got that Kevin Hart.
Speaker 4: Wave by up holding tight on to you and we
Speaker 4: need to get We didn't get some of that.
Speaker 8: I'm not n I l exactly when I said I
Speaker 8: need back playing on my man, I said, I am
Speaker 8: doing that.
Speaker 2: I was like, what what do you say?
Speaker 4: Actually?
Speaker 2: I started this barbecue this man.
Speaker 4: I was thanks, I get list Top ten since one
Speaker 4: staving age. Jamon Clanning Cowboys signed Club forty two baby
Speaker 4: Club forty two, Yeah, wearing forty two third Club forty
Speaker 4: giving away to thirty three. I can't hold what you
Speaker 4: want it hold?
Speaker 2: Where do you want to know?
Speaker 4: Anybody? We're holding off the shirt shirt?
Speaker 2: Calm down, y'all, do three three away like I was fine.
Speaker 4: Got to hold it for the practice squad.
Speaker 2: Wow. I wish y'all could see all camera right now. Away.
Speaker 2: His thumbs are toiling over there, just.
Speaker 4: Giving away the trade tray, like, man, but what's available?
Speaker 4: Thirty three three? You know, can't you out?
Speaker 2: I'm good club forty two right now?
Speaker 8: Can't get twelve? Can't wear none of them numbers? Oh wow,
Speaker 8: there retired numbers.
Speaker 2: Wrong.
Speaker 6: You were twenty you were twenty two. Man, So nobody
Speaker 6: you can nobody. You can't get to Okay, you can't
Speaker 6: get the eight.
Speaker 2: You'll do that.
Speaker 4: You can't get the twelve.
Speaker 2: Stop.
Speaker 4: You can't get the twenty two, Hayes and Smith. You
Speaker 4: cannot get the seventy.
Speaker 2: Four, Bob, you can't do that.
Speaker 4: You don't don't. You won't even see it in training camp.
Speaker 9: No, but you can get one of ten number thirty
Speaker 9: three it was one ten?
Speaker 4: Okay, we did more.
Speaker 8: You could put all them eighty eight numbers together and
Speaker 8: they might recent amount of yards he got.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But it's out there for you to like it. You
Speaker 4: have any Anthony Dor said, father's Tony Dor set that.
Speaker 2: What they say.
Speaker 4: They came and like, hey, look over the shoulder, look
Speaker 4: it over my shoulder.
Speaker 2: He got a poster right.
Speaker 4: There, he got it right. They just gave it to
Speaker 4: the forty two.
Speaker 2: Rubbing it right, you go.
Speaker 4: Everybody wants some sing what do he used to wear?
Speaker 2: Man? Now?
Speaker 9: But he in'ate one thing about it. He started off
Speaker 9: the year right.
Speaker 2: Man, he hard.
Speaker 4: So with that being said, where we're pride.
Speaker 6: Javante Williams might be the biggest offensive surprise that we've seen. Yeah,
Speaker 6: touchdowns in both games he's played this year. The first
Speaker 6: that he had on that touchdown, it was thirty yards
Speaker 6: that he had against the Giants.
Speaker 2: Man, I thought he was gonna get walked down.
Speaker 7: He was.
Speaker 2: He got in quick.
Speaker 4: He's not miles.
Speaker 2: Right, he's not fumbling. Oh my bad. You were talking
Speaker 2: about speed people.
Speaker 7: The players would not be happening in the locker room.
Speaker 7: He got some people that can be rude and say
Speaker 7: it right in the face, and then you got some
Speaker 7: people that just said.
Speaker 2: He would have definitely got clown. I ain't gonna you've
Speaker 2: been that room.
Speaker 4: We can walk down like that. Exactly what is a
Speaker 4: film session like that?
Speaker 2: You're not You're not gonna do it.
Speaker 7: Fil You're not gonna do it because you might trigger
Speaker 7: the coach depending on if you want a lot, if
Speaker 7: you won. Oh yeah, you're gonna do that because coach,
Speaker 7: coach gonna be like, oh man, you're gonna let them
Speaker 7: get on you like that, like no better you lost
Speaker 7: and you make that joke. Boy, Well, why y'all think
Speaker 7: it's all fun and games.
Speaker 2: We get clowned up.
Speaker 10: I remember when if somebody got bombed on, like if
Speaker 10: you got straight up beating bombed on.
Speaker 12: However, scandal would be in the back corner.
Speaker 2: You know what play is.
Speaker 10: Coming, so you know what you see the breakdown. They
Speaker 10: show you the play number and you're like, man, play
Speaker 10: thirty five. It's the player I got burned on. You like, man,
Speaker 10: hurry up and hope you fast forward it? Are you
Speaker 10: hear in the back of the scandal some more.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 10: But he's just like, man, here we go. And then
Speaker 10: you know, coach gonna rewind it. See the technique right here? Man,
Speaker 10: that play if it might go by in a minute,
Speaker 10: but to you, it feels like you're never thirty.
Speaker 4: Minutes play this, but this much we'll get in there.
Speaker 9: Like it's times in games where you'll do something like God,
Speaker 9: that's gonna be on.
Speaker 4: You know, immediately before you even get this.
Speaker 2: And what y'all not doing this? Y'all not tell you
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 7: It's always some person in the locker room that or
Speaker 7: in each position room where he gets there early. He
Speaker 7: might only have two or three plays, but he didn't
Speaker 7: watch the whole film. Hey we wait for play twenty three?
Speaker 7: That was That was At first I didn't understand it,
Speaker 7: but eventually it came to me.
Speaker 4: Bringing popcorn from places when I was just.
Speaker 12: Man love one of the defensive me it is like,
Speaker 12: let we go, can't wait.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna chew it out to day like man.
Speaker 4: Okay, squirrel skeandards whistling.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 6: And what about them times when you know something happened,
Speaker 6: you see an n zone point in somebody looking that way.
Speaker 4: They call him out since the ball it call quick man,
Speaker 4: that's you all right, what you're doing right there?
Speaker 12: You ain't hustling like it was just then they go
Speaker 12: back and forth.
Speaker 10: And then because we had Campo and Maxie in my
Speaker 10: rookie years, so they always like to joke like Maxie
Speaker 10: ca yeah, Dave Campo and Brent Max They always liked
Speaker 10: the joke. So you got burnt, especially if we won,
Speaker 10: but you got burnt. They joined in on the road session. Man,
Speaker 10: we don't we don't teach this technique.
Speaker 4: What is this?
Speaker 2: I thought you was a four to three guy.
Speaker 7: What is this like?
Speaker 2: Man? They joke with you now, it was funny time.
Speaker 7: The worst one I had was Jim Washburn. I will
Speaker 7: never forget wash Yes, I had washing me man. I've
Speaker 7: been fortunate to be around some guys and I never
Speaker 7: understood why Colin Jenkins and the rest of them made
Speaker 7: the jokes they did in New York, and they was like, oh,
Speaker 7: watch about wash First day I get in there.
Speaker 2: You know the little tissue that you put over the
Speaker 2: toilet seat before you get that, he had that up
Speaker 2: on the wall and he said, Hey, if you was
Speaker 2: by the pile and.
Speaker 7: You got caught sleeping, old line is going clean you up,
Speaker 7: baptized you put you in the ground.
Speaker 2: If you lay down, guess what you're gonna lay right
Speaker 2: under here coming into that meeting.
Speaker 7: You're gonna lift up that toilet paper and your face
Speaker 7: is gonna be right there, and you're gonna have guys
Speaker 7: like me. Doncan sue. You had Cameron Wake in there.
Speaker 7: Cam ain't gonna make too much fun of you, but
Speaker 7: hit you with that.
Speaker 4: It depends, It depends on the meeting room.
Speaker 8: I was in because I've been in some meeting rooms
Speaker 8: where like you could you could get at some people
Speaker 8: and they'd be like, yeah, they're laughing off with you.
Speaker 8: But then they like I said, you got some sensitive people,
Speaker 8: so like you gotta you know, you can't, you can't.
Speaker 8: You can't check everybody, You can't hold everybody accountable.
Speaker 2: The way you make that wrong might be getting man,
Speaker 2: we had injuries in another position. I thought they like
Speaker 2: it was it was.
Speaker 4: It was one year I was in Tennessee.
Speaker 8: It was so crazy in our dB meeting room that
Speaker 8: our dB coach will start start bringing dipping. Hey man,
Speaker 8: y'all need to start dipping doing something. Why y'all in here, man,
Speaker 8: because y'all too hype in here, Like let's chilling the music.
Speaker 8: He started bringing him jazz Jerry Gray Jerry Jerry Gray.
Speaker 8: Right when when of a few people in the NFL
Speaker 8: go all pro both positions, corner and.
Speaker 4: Safety, that's a talent Jerry Jerry Gray about the Ronnie
Speaker 4: Lotts rod Woods and Jerry Gray does not get credit
Speaker 4: for what he did in this league that got tremendous. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's still it's still.
Speaker 8: How long did Jerry play Jerry play at least twelve
Speaker 8: years twelve thirteen. Yeah, yeah, the University of Texas.
Speaker 2: You yeah, you got throw that ut stuff in there. Bat,
Speaker 2: don't hate.
Speaker 4: On the great man.
Speaker 8: I'm not even and has got nowhere in.
Speaker 4: BROI even come on for you.
Speaker 2: Him over there, he's gonna throw up. He threw up,
Speaker 2: but look at look at his shirt.
Speaker 6: Jared Gray, Jared Gray, I'm gonna spe Jared Gray. I
Speaker 6: got the cover, Jerry, I got the cover U T.
Speaker 6: And that was on things the lessons that you learned.
Speaker 6: Kenneth Simms, Great Kenny Simms man would educate me on hey,
Speaker 6: these are the great players who were here. So when
Speaker 6: I was around him and Bill Little who was down there,
Speaker 6: they were telling you about these guys and what they did.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm getting managed.
Speaker 8: Give him this problem trying and tell you from the school.
Speaker 8: If you're a young dB and you somewhere around Jered Gray,
Speaker 8: listen to what he's telling you. He's in last he
Speaker 8: was in Minnesota. I don't know Yoda Yoda out there,
Speaker 8: but no, seriously, he like if he on your sideline
Speaker 8: when you playing dB boy, he called him to play
Speaker 8: out Jerry know the game like that.
Speaker 4: As a coach, that's what.
Speaker 2: That's what, that's what you need. Coach is coming this way.
Speaker 4: How'd you know that man?
Speaker 2: Coach put me in the right position?
Speaker 6: All right, the good ones do. Okay, let's get our
Speaker 6: first break in this die back into jadeveon Clowne. We
Speaker 6: got started a little bit sidetracked and clowning. How would
Speaker 6: should he be playing? And what do you as a
Speaker 6: coach for a guy has had had no training camp,
Speaker 6: hasn't played at all. What are the limitations you may
Speaker 6: want to put on them or pitch count as you
Speaker 6: get ready to play on the defensive line.
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Speaker 6: So here comes Jadavian Clowney, fresh off signing. During the
Speaker 6: Giants game when Russell Wilson was throwing four fifty, they said,
Speaker 6: he I think we can use some help, big guy.
Speaker 6: Hell contracts. Contract is done. Clowney met with the MEETIA
Speaker 6: this week. I was there and I said, how much
Speaker 6: can you play? He's like, I'll be fine the first
Speaker 6: time I've done this, But you guys have played in
Speaker 6: the league. How how hard is it to come off
Speaker 6: the couch despite wherever he was working out at? He said,
Speaker 6: he's working out at you know, a place it's gonna
Speaker 6: get him right. But to get out here to play
Speaker 6: against the Bears? How many snaps are realistic.
Speaker 2: For this guy? Won't you thinking the specialist? Brother? What
Speaker 2: you're thinking?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 2: Realistically? It can go two ways.
Speaker 7: Me myself personally, I've been the journey man where I've waited,
Speaker 7: been hungry and got came in week seven right off
Speaker 7: the couch and God thrown twenty thirty snaps and balled
Speaker 7: out there. Plus that's not including the special teams. So
Speaker 7: if he's really been working his butt off and he
Speaker 7: loves the game like that, he can do it. It's
Speaker 7: gonna be hard, like you're gonna get there and you're
Speaker 7: gonna be winded. But if you've really been putting in
Speaker 7: that work and you're really a competitor and part of
Speaker 7: this game, he can get a big pitch count, especially
Speaker 7: for a team that's dire need like this. Realistically, if
Speaker 7: I'm smart and I plan on using him in the
Speaker 7: long end, then I really do have playoff hopes in mind.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna ease him in there and ask him how
Speaker 7: he feels and then just go from there. It all
Speaker 7: starts with today. Today is the first live practice, So
Speaker 7: seeing him run around there, is he gonna be tight?
Speaker 7: That's gonna be the real question of how he responds
Speaker 7: or how his body responds, And then they're gonna ask
Speaker 7: him at the end of the week what you're doing, like, hey,
Speaker 7: and that'll tell us if we're gonna have you on
Speaker 7: five to twenty plays.
Speaker 2: Is rushing the passer?
Speaker 10: You know, because for me as a defensive back, I
Speaker 10: gotta get reps in like I gotta like if I
Speaker 10: used to.
Speaker 12: Covering a receiver making those movements, it could be rough
Speaker 12: on me.
Speaker 10: Is it the same as a pass rusher, like using
Speaker 10: your hands and you know, just getting after the quarterback, It's.
Speaker 2: Not depending on what type of style of play you have.
Speaker 7: If you're just a guy that just passed rushing, then
Speaker 7: you go back there and then you cover in between
Speaker 7: five yards. Yeah, uh, that's easy. You can go out
Speaker 7: there and do that. That's only like fifteen yards. You're
Speaker 7: doing like small, little short burst increments. But if you're
Speaker 7: a guy like say like me, I was playing back,
Speaker 7: I'm chasing everything down where you can go see me
Speaker 7: rush the pass yard ten yards deep down the field,
Speaker 7: but then go chase the ball down twenty yards down
Speaker 7: the field. Now, if you're that type of player, then no,
Speaker 7: that's a whole different element. But in this day and age,
Speaker 7: you don't see that as much. Why do you think
Speaker 7: there's so many guys that you're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 7: he's running all the way downfield to make the play
Speaker 7: in this stage at one has clently done it. Does
Speaker 7: he have the capability? Yes, statistically speaking, that hasn't been
Speaker 7: the nature of his game. He's been the guy that's
Speaker 7: in the immediate short bursts. He gets to play stopped
Speaker 7: early or you know, he is the played and ran
Speaker 7: away from him. And if he's going to do that,
Speaker 7: I think he can come in and get twenty to
Speaker 7: thirty snaps. However, much like throw fastball at him. But
Speaker 7: now if you like I said, but also this is
Speaker 7: an ebra fluz defense where he requires you got to run, run, run.
Speaker 7: What he say is retreat, retraits soon as you get out.
Speaker 7: If y'all't understand what retraits me, that means soon as
Speaker 7: you get down there, you might make the seck. But
Speaker 7: even if you don't, if you're at that quarterback, he
Speaker 7: wants you to show up in the screenplay. So if
Speaker 7: that's a twenty yard if it's like last week, got
Speaker 7: these thirty forty yard bombs, Nah, I don't expect Clowney
Speaker 7: to have twenty snaps. I expect him to have maybe
Speaker 7: ten fifteen getting oxygen masks. But it just depends on
Speaker 7: how much worked. But I will tell you when I
Speaker 7: seen him last week in the kitchen, he did look
Speaker 7: a little bit slimmer.
Speaker 2: And so that typically does mean you you've been doing
Speaker 2: a little more cardio.
Speaker 8: So I hope So again, yeah, nah, I think that
Speaker 8: one of the things is to his benefit is that
Speaker 8: he's done this multiple times. Yes, And so with that
Speaker 8: being said, like whatever the blueprint is that he's been
Speaker 8: using to do it, has been working for him. So
Speaker 8: I think that's that's one of the biggest saving graces
Speaker 8: that he has and the Cowboys have and signed him
Speaker 8: but knowing that he's always well, not always, but has
Speaker 8: done this in the past, and that showed up and
Speaker 8: played well and has not had a lot of injuries.
Speaker 8: Once he gets here, that's like, that's our main thing
Speaker 8: that we're concerned about. You know. Of course, you sign
Speaker 8: him for however much money, you get him off the couch,
Speaker 8: and boom, as soon as you get him here, he
Speaker 8: gets to some type of soft tissue injury or something
Speaker 8: like that, and then he's not even a factor for it.
Speaker 7: The only thing I'm gonna say about that is playing
Speaker 7: Devil's advocate. It's different when you're a VET saying hey,
Speaker 7: I'm out of training camp and week one, I know
Speaker 7: I got a job or I'm sitting over here doing
Speaker 7: that holdout. When you're a guy that and this is
Speaker 7: not him. I know, obviously he said he had options,
Speaker 7: But when you're a guy and you go past week one,
Speaker 7: it's easy to be over there.
Speaker 2: If you ain't getting.
Speaker 7: Those calls or stuff looks a little gloomy and stuff
Speaker 7: like that to let it slack off.
Speaker 6: But there's a guy he's always had calls, right, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, he's always this is a game.
Speaker 2: He likes exaxactly.
Speaker 7: So that's why that's why you ask yourself, like some
Speaker 7: guys like I've been around disciplined vests that get it done,
Speaker 7: and I've been around disciplined vests that are so disciplined
Speaker 7: that know their self to where they say, hey, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna slack off a week because I know I'm not
Speaker 7: really going in there the week two or week three,
Speaker 7: if that makes sense. And if he took that approach,
Speaker 7: that's where you have to worry about that soft tissue.
Speaker 7: So it can go both ways. As a double heads order.
Speaker 10: I need him to be in there for them pass.
Speaker 10: And that's sad because that's exactly what happened last week
Speaker 10: with Russell. I mean those situations where it's I mean,
Speaker 10: think about this. He there was a third and twenty, Yeah,
Speaker 10: a third and twenty with Russell Wilson all there and
Speaker 10: he completed it for the first down. I mean, and
Speaker 10: those type of situations, you gotta have somebody that put
Speaker 10: a little bit of pressure on the quarterback because these
Speaker 10: guys in the league are just too good. The quarterbacks
Speaker 10: are too good in this lead to where have you
Speaker 10: let him sit in the pocket all day? They gonna
Speaker 10: find a way to pick apart your secondary. So I
Speaker 10: just need him to be in there in those situations
Speaker 10: where it's a must gotta have it passing situation, and
Speaker 10: let's see what he got.
Speaker 7: Let's think he's blockers though, So yeah, this is I
Speaker 7: expect him to go in there and get a decent
Speaker 7: play count. But I expect us to see Sam Williams
Speaker 7: one of those other guys that's already been here familiar
Speaker 7: really Houston.
Speaker 2: Sam or he's been the best one.
Speaker 7: I see one of them really taking another stop because
Speaker 7: they're going to demand the double team on clowneys.
Speaker 6: You're going to a round. I'm thinking, if this is
Speaker 6: where you need guys who've been here to do something,
Speaker 6: same will Here's. He's been vocal about, you know, wanting
Speaker 6: to be a cowboy.
Speaker 2: In last year.
Speaker 4: He was frustrated times about his play. So you know
Speaker 4: you're here.
Speaker 6: They bring back Fouler. I've given the rookie as a
Speaker 6: rocky some slack. This is hard and you're not You're
Speaker 6: not the tallest dude.
Speaker 4: It's hard.
Speaker 8: It's just it's learning adjustment. It's adjustment going from Carlie
Speaker 8: coming into the NFL. It's it's it's always is. He's
Speaker 8: gonna be timing speed, it's gonna be strength, it's gonna
Speaker 8: be it could be just terminology.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be so many different I.
Speaker 7: Think so much as time is really just more it's
Speaker 7: more so about just getting comfortable because he's showing us bursts,
Speaker 7: like he has the hand placement. I've been watching him
Speaker 7: doing cross chops like his past rush moves, the ones
Speaker 7: that he are winning like cleanly. On is showing all that.
Speaker 7: So I think with him, he just needs to be
Speaker 7: paired up with a better VET, and I think Clowney
Speaker 7: can be that extra grace for him and that young guy,
Speaker 7: and then Houston being the next guy. But after those two,
Speaker 7: I really haven't seen anything from everybody else that we
Speaker 7: were supposed to see Wheeler. I'm not like, I'm not
Speaker 7: saying nothing from the rest of them. So it's a
Speaker 7: challenge to them, Like everybody should be on the edge
Speaker 7: when you bring somebody in in the middle of the
Speaker 7: week and somebody announces before the game is over with,
Speaker 7: we just signed a guy that's known as the pass rusher,
Speaker 7: the guy.
Speaker 8: If they won't do that for them, dbs, they just
Speaker 8: shook up that has been shaking up, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean. They have not done anything to the defensive
Speaker 8: back room and that definitely needs some somebody coming back
Speaker 8: from being injured. They need to get somebody in here house.
Speaker 2: The owner their way, They on their way.
Speaker 4: He told you told you on the way on the way. Yeah,
Speaker 4: on the way you asked, not because you have not,
Speaker 4: Jerry said, you asked, Jerry, Jerry say, I was just.
Speaker 8: Watching practice before we came in here. I saw like
Speaker 8: I think I saw rebel over here still with working
Speaker 8: with some pt like I I know. So like if
Speaker 8: they coming, they ain't they ain't com.
Speaker 4: We go to October surprise for the stretch. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: it's coming. He didn't. He didn't give you a date.
Speaker 2: Like Jesus said, it'll be hers, just not in your time.
Speaker 2: It's on the way the way, just trusting Jerry's time.
Speaker 2: It's on the wat.
Speaker 4: Whatever is going on. Like I'm me and you you
Speaker 4: know been back there.
Speaker 8: We we we know that everybody back there has from
Speaker 8: what we see, seems like they have enough talent to
Speaker 8: be back. Yeah, you know, we got First Round is
Speaker 8: back there. We got one of the best dbs from
Speaker 8: a few years.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 8: It's it's definitely boring, that boiling down to some either
Speaker 8: technique more so than anything and accountability. So with that
Speaker 8: being said, like if if the technique is not in
Speaker 8: house to be corrected, you got to bring it from
Speaker 8: outside inside to correct.
Speaker 4: But I got NFL network here.
Speaker 2: Man, what.
Speaker 4: He looked at the Cowboys?
Speaker 2: Look at that man.
Speaker 6: Bomb bombs Jones out here, And that's that's when I
Speaker 6: know I just went way off. It's Broncos and coach
Speaker 6: Coats right here on the TV screen, And man, I'm
Speaker 6: just trying to understand how Joe Shane got a job
Speaker 6: still the Gem and the Giants out here beating.
Speaker 4: The Broncos the whole Danny Dimes looking like a whole
Speaker 4: beat the Broncos.
Speaker 7: Bad news, Man, what I tell you, Sometimes you just
Speaker 7: need a new change of scenery. Now, it was funny
Speaker 7: that you bring that up. I've seen a stat on
Speaker 7: Instagram they said the last three major players that have
Speaker 7: left the Giants have all had career breaking like careers
Speaker 7: when they left. Kwan Daniel Jones and then what's the
Speaker 7: dB the left him? It was a dB they said
Speaker 7: he was first? Uh did he leapers know? It wasn't
Speaker 7: it was It wasn't It wasn't it wasn't about said
Speaker 7: it definitely wasn't him. Yeah, exactly exactly what about him?
Speaker 2: What about him? That's one of your cute dog brothers, Charon?
Speaker 4: Real quick?
Speaker 2: Are we watching we already?
Speaker 14: Bro?
Speaker 2: That's beating the dead horse. You keep he dead? All right?
Speaker 2: He get paid? He did alright, he gets paid.
Speaker 4: He better say them checks. You better say ever last
Speaker 4: dollar them checks. He got up there.
Speaker 2: He just needed top five?
Speaker 4: Was he number?
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones did it? You can do it.
Speaker 4: Here, Joe Milton, boy, you know how many people you know.
Speaker 2: Don't don't do Joe like that.
Speaker 4: He's not He's not as good as Joe.
Speaker 7: Hold on first category, watch watch, watch out what we're doing?
Speaker 2: Whatever? Three? What are we doing?
Speaker 11: Really?
Speaker 7: Not bad people people said Daniel Jones was was done
Speaker 7: When he left the John's. They was like, oh, he's wrong,
Speaker 7: he's out of here. Dabo couldn't do it.
Speaker 9: His confidence was shot him knocking the building.
Speaker 2: Everybody tried to pass.
Speaker 4: They had tore him up in the building.
Speaker 6: There tore him down, you know, like and I'm starting
Speaker 6: to wonder about your your quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing.
Speaker 4: Brutal what the quarterback?
Speaker 2: I never said that ANYTHINGY Richardson was gonna be that guy.
Speaker 4: You know, he told us that I was gonna be
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy. Remember that we who was over there?
Speaker 2: I said, I said Joe the train. I said, j
Speaker 2: J looked good.
Speaker 4: He had one quarter, got heard one quarter.
Speaker 7: He showed me what you chose your last rep. And
Speaker 7: when I made that comment, he showed us he was
Speaker 7: the comeback head. Everybody was saying, oh, this is the
Speaker 7: JJ we've been waiting on this. Look when he's healthy
Speaker 7: and this and that.
Speaker 4: Healthy heard? What are we trying to where we're trying
Speaker 4: to slow down?
Speaker 2: I didn't say nothing about anything, richards You volunteered.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about j. J. McCarthy coordinating. The guy gott coordinating.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: They put the annoying oil on it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, because I said j was good. I
Speaker 2: tell you, I just told you I could be a.
Speaker 10: Player in this day and age just because the just
Speaker 10: the social just everything social media.
Speaker 8: Why would you even that's the thing, like, why did
Speaker 8: even like that's you know, I think that you will
Speaker 8: tell you my situation growing up the way I grew up,
Speaker 8: Like I was born like round the same time with
Speaker 8: my dad's first college game.
Speaker 4: So like I've seen it being it.
Speaker 8: They was talking about me wave, you know, but like
Speaker 8: and it's one of these type of things like like
Speaker 8: why why do you why do you feed into what
Speaker 8: they're saying?
Speaker 2: Who is they?
Speaker 4: Anyway? You see it all the time. Yeah, but like,
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's just one of them things.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 8: I had a situation where I had got a chance
Speaker 8: to talk to Rodney Lot one time when I was
Speaker 8: playing for the Raiders because we had some stuff going
Speaker 8: on and we was going into the playoffs and dudes
Speaker 8: were still coming late to practice and so one of
Speaker 8: the time I was doing an interview and they was like, so,
Speaker 8: how do you feel about this? And I'm like, it's
Speaker 8: week eighteen and people don't know how to get here on.
Speaker 2: Time, you know.
Speaker 8: And so I come in the locker room one day
Speaker 8: and the first person not coming when I come in
Speaker 8: locker room, first person talking early in the morning is
Speaker 8: Andre Rosen. Y'all see you, he said, y'all see what
Speaker 8: they said? Now, I ain't saying no names but but
Speaker 8: what I was sure to say, if you feel like
Speaker 8: I'm talking to you, I'm talking to you.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a very good point. Yes, So you
Speaker 4: know with no lines were.
Speaker 9: Told, none lie, not at all.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: So with that being said, you know, like it's it's
Speaker 8: one of those type of situations whereas you just got
Speaker 8: to be able to be as transparent as being honest
Speaker 8: with your teammates at anytime. And the whole thing about
Speaker 8: being accountable is the simple fact that like if I
Speaker 8: say something to you, I'm not saying something to you
Speaker 8: to be funny.
Speaker 4: I'm saying something to you because I need that, We
Speaker 4: need that from you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: And so the whole thing with Danny Dimes and getting
Speaker 8: out of New York and like we were talking about
Speaker 8: before and everything was like that, like, yeah, he definitely
Speaker 8: needed to change the scenery.
Speaker 4: And they did too though you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Well, and they still do because like you said, we
Speaker 8: watched them dismantling offense that if they could have actually
Speaker 8: put it together with these two stars that they lost,
Speaker 8: where would they be right now?
Speaker 6: We'll be talking about some It was a fifth offensive
Speaker 6: line has been continues to be an issue for the Giants,
Speaker 6: so that's something they have not built there. It was
Speaker 6: also a mistake to pay Daniel Jones that kind of
Speaker 6: money when nobody else was out here ready to give
Speaker 6: him these dollars.
Speaker 2: Said, the market is the market.
Speaker 6: And then you're not going to pay the guy who's
Speaker 6: so clearly the best player on the team, not just
Speaker 6: the team. And you're not gonna pay Barkley. Oh, we're
Speaker 6: going to hold this number here. It's all you got,
Speaker 6: it's all you're selling. And the owner is telling you, hey, man,
Speaker 6: I don' won't see this guy, Philly, I don't want
Speaker 6: to see It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: And clearly going to the coach, you've got a head
Speaker 4: coach of Shane Steichen who has a bi just understand
Speaker 4: what he can do. But it's it's it's it's it's hard.
Speaker 4: It's it's hard watching. To me, it is it's hard
Speaker 4: watching bad, bad decisions.
Speaker 10: Being made while covering, you know, the teams you've covered.
Speaker 10: Is there any bit ever been a player that was
Speaker 10: just like you might have said, man, you know, and
Speaker 10: you were telling the truth, like, man, he hasn't played well,
Speaker 10: or something like that in the media or on one
Speaker 10: of your shoulder and then they just everything you say this, man,
Speaker 10: why man, why are you always hating on me even
Speaker 10: though you're telling the truth? Like have you ever run
Speaker 10: into some sensitive cats like that? Terror lewan the player
Speaker 10: the player the player.
Speaker 4: So the player got mad. Player was mad all the time.
Speaker 6: So the player got to the point where he wouldn't
Speaker 6: answer any questions from from me or Edward. It's just
Speaker 6: men at that point, we just don't keep asked. At
Speaker 6: that point, I didn't care anymore, like I don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And and it was after a while, you know, t
Speaker 6: O got to the point where he was riffing with Romo.
Speaker 4: And this was after the whole Ira quarter.
Speaker 2: That's my quarterback.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's my quarterback.
Speaker 6: That night he gonna call beat Rider and running Romod straight,
Speaker 6: running him down. Okay, Man, that that that was a
Speaker 6: different dude.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 6: I remember talking I remember talking to h Rich dal
Speaker 6: Rule at the time on time PR court there you
Speaker 6: guys know Rich I said, hey, man, you've been here
Speaker 6: for a minute. Even back to his days in Miami
Speaker 6: when he was there with Jerome Brown and the Rock,
Speaker 6: I mean, his dude was a he's.
Speaker 4: Seen some dudes Okay, some characters and some people.
Speaker 6: And he said he'd never been around anyone who caused
Speaker 6: more dissension in terrible, really ever.
Speaker 4: Difficult play I've been around, yo.
Speaker 8: So it was it was it was a thing where
Speaker 8: like I like to hear that he actually I never
Speaker 8: understood the whole my quarterback breakdown, like like why he
Speaker 8: just got so emotional during that time, Like it was
Speaker 8: just I never understan they lost.
Speaker 6: So that was the game in which they lost, and
Speaker 6: they were a good team, and he was like, man,
Speaker 6: if you guys want to put this on Tony because
Speaker 6: remember the whole Cabo trip and everything.
Speaker 4: So Tony went to Cabo along with Jason. Everybody forgot U.
Speaker 6: Nobody remembered, but they were all three together. So they
Speaker 6: lose the game. They had that great team in six
Speaker 6: thirteen and three, number one seed. You beat the Giants
Speaker 6: twice last year year by double digits, and you don't
Speaker 6: get it done. And so he was emotional. It was
Speaker 6: an emotional time, you know, because this back people thought
Speaker 6: it was going to be Dallas and New England in
Speaker 6: another matchup because they because Moss came and tore them
Speaker 6: up at Texas Stateium. He thought there was gonna be
Speaker 6: that that right there? Again, hey man, these two teams
Speaker 6: going and it didn't happen that way. And I think
Speaker 6: Jerry had put tickets to the NFC Championship game on lockers,
Speaker 6: on seats in the room. And Coughlin found out it
Speaker 6: was this was this was as this was as discipline
Speaker 6: one is, this was as disappointing for your dad as.
Speaker 10: The catch don't give Oh boy, you can talk to
Speaker 10: certain cowboy that man, what's a disapoint lost year?
Speaker 6: But the catch is right there for that group of
Speaker 6: guys because not only did you lose that game, you're
Speaker 6: gonna win the Super Bowl because since that that was
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl team that they had there, this was
Speaker 6: a team that the Cowboys had, they could have won it.
Speaker 4: So then he broke down crying it ain't fair.
Speaker 2: I hate to see it. Favorita on the phone that night,
Speaker 2: running him down.
Speaker 4: That's what, right, that's wow?
Speaker 2: Didn't hear that?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 6: You know Romo Witton had a suite together, is it?
Speaker 6: So they had a suite together, and and so that
Speaker 6: became another point of contention, and and Tarot thought that
Speaker 6: you know, they were drawing up plays together talking about
Speaker 6: King Petty. We went there, Yes, yes, it went there, man,
Speaker 6: it went there a few locker rooms.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 4: They didn't get it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise it.
Speaker 6: And it was just another case of here's another quarterback
Speaker 6: that Tarot had a problem with. He had proms with Tony,
Speaker 6: promise with Jeff Garcia, he got problems with McNabb.
Speaker 2: This was his thing, you know.
Speaker 4: Carson Palmer quit football after working with teraryll Owen.
Speaker 6: He quit, but the Cincinnati is ohow and him, they
Speaker 6: had a show and cars quit, I will not play
Speaker 6: football again.
Speaker 4: And he retired until the Raiders traded for him.
Speaker 2: Man, that's what this dude does.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 4: And so when you start talking about it and you
Speaker 4: bring it up, he didn't like it. He didn't like it.
Speaker 6: And you know there's a black on black crime. Nah, dude,
Speaker 6: don't don't try that one on me. Safe you shooting
Speaker 6: up every black dude.
Speaker 2: Give me the question.
Speaker 4: When he told Stephen A.
Speaker 8: Smith that that your boy was more black, Skip Bayless
Speaker 8: was more black than him, I was like, who.
Speaker 4: You're going way too far, bro. You know, I'll give
Speaker 4: him this man. My man was King of the Petty
Speaker 4: bro he could come with it.
Speaker 6: Now if he didn't had the show got to he
Speaker 6: didn like me, Yes, he didn't like you, he would come.
Speaker 6: He had his things for you. And and he had
Speaker 6: a good section of people as well. Who were his defenders, Yeah,
Speaker 6: a lot of I was one of them, A lot
Speaker 6: of the defenders. And you know what, who is the
Speaker 6: best defenders? A lot of people to realize defensive guys
Speaker 6: because you know what you did. You didn't affect him.
Speaker 6: But if he was a receiver, the quarterback, you could
Speaker 6: affect him.
Speaker 2: It was issues there, got defensive mentality.
Speaker 4: It was issues there. I say all listen, the dude
Speaker 4: was a productive player.
Speaker 8: He got the nun productive player, got the number played
Speaker 8: in the Super Bowl with a broke leg exactly.
Speaker 6: The guy's a great player. Bill Belichick praises him throughout
Speaker 6: throughout his book about it. He's in the Pro Football
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: But the dude came with drama. Dude brought a lot
Speaker 4: of drama in the drama never resulted in any championships.
Speaker 2: Yeh see.
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Speaker 6: they're working on things out there. We've talked about clowning.
Speaker 6: Do we ever come up with a straight number of
Speaker 6: what we're thinking is twenty?
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna be in between fifteen twenties.
Speaker 4: Uh snaps, Okay, that's why I was low the low end.
Speaker 2: Gay, I'm about fifteen with it.
Speaker 6: Caleb Williams, if you're the Bears and Ben Johnson, you
Speaker 6: have to look at the tape against Philadelphia and say, dude,
Speaker 6: if you got an opportunity to run, run, how do
Speaker 6: they come back?
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams in his ability to use his leg in
Speaker 4: this game, and.
Speaker 2: You gotta keep him contained.
Speaker 4: I mean that dude.
Speaker 10: Right now, he's playing backyard football a lot, and it's
Speaker 10: bit him in the butt a little bit because he's
Speaker 10: trying to buy time and try to make the play.
Speaker 12: He doesn't, you know, just take the dump down.
Speaker 10: He always wants the exciting plays, So for me, you
Speaker 10: got to keep him contained, force him to play from
Speaker 10: the pocket. All right, If you can force them to
Speaker 10: play from the pocket, I think you'll have the advantage.
Speaker 10: But if he's able to escape by time out there
Speaker 10: for those receivers to get open, we've seen the lapses
Speaker 10: in the secondary that this Dallas Cowboys defensive had.
Speaker 12: So keep that man contained, force them to play from
Speaker 12: the pocket to have.
Speaker 2: A better chance.
Speaker 7: You're gonna have to widen up those threes this week.
Speaker 7: Are you playing that four men front while Man three
Speaker 7: bait them to go rush up the middle.
Speaker 2: Your strongest point have.
Speaker 7: Been the interiors tries and locking everything down, But that's
Speaker 7: because the big juggernauts are getting in there and they've
Speaker 7: been escaping. So why not your threes call a couple
Speaker 7: of exotic blitzes where you got somebody coming off the edge,
Speaker 7: but then where you bait him to have that spot
Speaker 7: and make him rush up the middle. He's been most
Speaker 7: effective scrambling out to inside doing what Romo used to
Speaker 7: do back in the day. Well, don't get killed like that.
Speaker 7: And so I think that comes it's gonna help with
Speaker 7: widen them up. Get some blitters you got climbing there
Speaker 7: to help you. Hopefully Houston keeps building like that and
Speaker 7: then from there, I don't I don't see the Bears
Speaker 7: having as much speed as the Giant, so hopefully it
Speaker 7: won't be bombs over the back back.
Speaker 8: You know, what I'm saying is the same thing that
Speaker 8: you guys have already said, Like, first of all, you
Speaker 8: got to show up those ends, don't let him get outside.
Speaker 8: But at the same time, in the back end, we
Speaker 8: gotta change in some coverage. We got to roll some
Speaker 8: coverages in disguise some things, and that let him get
Speaker 8: some pre snap reads that honestly know what the Cowboys
Speaker 8: are going to be in throughout that defensive snap, and
Speaker 8: I think that's also going to help. But like like
Speaker 8: Barry said, this dude has made he won the Heis
Speaker 8: metrophy offer basically playing backyard football and extending plays. And
Speaker 8: so the longer that the Cowboys actually in courage is
Speaker 8: gonna be the worst situation that they could be in.
Speaker 8: So hopefully we get some pass rush widening them threes,
Speaker 8: like you said, and you know, with your daviing in here,
Speaker 8: him getting that double team, maybe Houston or somebody else
Speaker 8: coming off the other side and get that pressure.
Speaker 7: It's gonna be hard though, Like like I said, I
Speaker 7: think you got to pull You're gonna have to call
Speaker 7: your blitzeres, your four to three exotic blitzes. But how
Speaker 7: many exotic blitzers can you call with Clowny being getting there,
Speaker 7: because now you're gonna have to pull him off the field.
Speaker 7: So it kind of it limits you on your playbook
Speaker 7: call on. So that's why I say widen the threes.
Speaker 7: It's the safest route if you want Clowney on the field.
Speaker 7: If you don't, then you can stick to your normal
Speaker 7: blitz package.
Speaker 8: Well, he only gonna get it certain amount of reps anyway,
Speaker 8: So you know, like that's that's gonna be the that's
Speaker 8: gonna be benefit for that hopefully.
Speaker 4: All right, let's get out of here with this Thursday
Speaker 4: at football, Let's go co Sol go up against oh
Speaker 4: and two oh and two Miami Dolphins stick Buffalo, right,
Speaker 4: is that right, Chris?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think me at Buffalo at Buffalo guesst Miami at dud.
Speaker 4: I wrote it right here.
Speaker 2: You gotta right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, give me Dolphins going to own three Buffalo wins
Speaker 4: this one thirty one to sixteen. That's what I'm going
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you.
Speaker 12: Give me buffalo, twenty eight to ten, don't do it,
Speaker 12: but you don't.
Speaker 2: Do it, bro, It's place right now.
Speaker 8: So I'm going Buffalo. I'm going twenty eight ten. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 8: I'm going Buffalo. I'm gonna go thirty one fourteen.
Speaker 10: Don't do it all right, last place, don't do it, bro,
Speaker 10: you gotta stack up some dumbs man.
Speaker 4: You got last place, last place?
Speaker 2: You're gonna do it? Who you'all talking to? You better
Speaker 2: put the name that ain't my name?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 2: Detri four? What didn't name? This is him? Him Athy?
Speaker 2: This guy at that. Like I said, Kimmothy Moore will
Speaker 2: go with Buffalo. I got Buffalo, but it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a nail bider man. I got twenty eight to fourteen,
Speaker 2: fourteen seventeen.
Speaker 4: Huh what eleven and a half the line? That's a
Speaker 4: nail bider.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm just saying, hey, y'all, y'all said, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 7: y'all said, we're gonna it's gonna be closer. Hey, hold on,
Speaker 7: didn't y'all say, did you say that? Cowboys and John's
Speaker 7: was gonna be a blowout and it was a nail body.
Speaker 7: Like I said, I might have picked the wrong one,
Speaker 7: but it was I was right. Okay, thank you America later.
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