Speaker 1: Me Around the NFL Podcast is tired of Bill's quarterback
Speaker 1: battle stories. Welcome back to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I'm
Speaker 1: joined by Room Build with heroes Lindsey Rhodes, Chris Westling
Speaker 1: and Greg Rostal. What's up boys and Earls and Lindsay
Speaker 1: and Lindsay you're a woman. Yes, I was just saying
Speaker 1: that that was the and girls was the boys and Lindsay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be you're calling me out of sexist.
Speaker 1: I feel like right at the top of the show,
Speaker 1: Andrew Siciliano downstairs giving us a little grief that Lindsay
Speaker 1: keeps being on but she comes with you. You're not
Speaker 1: even You're not even on air today on NFL Network.
Speaker 1: You just came. I am once again off and here
Speaker 1: just for you, which I think makes my life kind
Speaker 1: of sad, Like at a certain point the people that
Speaker 1: are listening and watching are going to be like, could
Speaker 1: you just plan something on your off days? Like I
Speaker 1: feel bad for you. Well, listen, I don't look at
Speaker 1: it that way. I think you see the opportunity of
Speaker 1: not just a career, but a lifetime to be involved
Speaker 1: with our show. I gotta get in that studio. I
Speaker 1: gotta get a taste of that magic. It's a ship
Speaker 1: just taken off. Well, jump up rocket, Yeah whatever, spaceship,
Speaker 1: you can go spaceship all right. So yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast and we have a great
Speaker 1: show with Linz with us today. Um, a lot to
Speaker 1: get to a lot. I got a lot of papers
Speaker 1: in front of you right now. It's almost a little
Speaker 1: bit intimidating. We have, you know, we have the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame induction this weekend. Mark Sessler was in Canton
Speaker 1: and now he's in Cleveland at that old Indian burial
Speaker 1: ground in Barria. So we're gonna touch base with Sessler,
Speaker 1: talk about the big weekend and what he's doing out
Speaker 1: there in Ohio. We have the Position Battle awards. That excited.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for that. That's I think what the drop
Speaker 1: was coming from. We might talk a little bills, but
Speaker 1: we'll talk. We'll go out some awards of how these
Speaker 1: battles are going. That one is right in Greg's wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: Because last night, late Sunday night, email lands and my
Speaker 1: Gmail and it's Greg has all these different ideas. He
Speaker 1: was on fire. I was like Wow, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a Rosenthal show. Well, we take we're now taping
Speaker 1: early in the morning, so it's like we can't just
Speaker 1: show up and and hope TD put together for it.
Speaker 1: But you know, we know what happens then what would happen? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just bad things all right there at all,
Speaker 1: t D. You want to deserve that you're doing a
Speaker 1: great job. And of course we're gonna get to all
Speaker 1: the news including uh and you know the reason West
Speaker 1: hasn't really said much yet, he's still processing the information
Speaker 1: about a certain wide receiver UM in Charlotte or formerly
Speaker 1: of Charlotte now playing in Baltimore that will no longer
Speaker 1: be with us too much longer looking at looking, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say. That's why I haven't
Speaker 1: said anything. I was waiting for an opening for you know,
Speaker 1: we could have talked your party Saturday, Well we can.
Speaker 1: My Wells invited, thanks Wess, my son Jack, sweet handsome
Speaker 1: Jack Carson Hansas turning one, so we had a little party.
Speaker 1: I'm sure my invitation just cassome. Now as I know that,
Speaker 1: lindsay you have a young son yourself named Jack's I
Speaker 1: believe which is nice. I don't remember getting invited to
Speaker 1: your party. Well, but really none of my coworkers were invited,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like I invited everyone but you type
Speaker 1: of situation. And Lindsey, we're getting there, all right, Let's
Speaker 1: let's cut to the chase, because West keeps on, you know,
Speaker 1: opening up all this uh you know, dirty laundry, dumping
Speaker 1: out the contents. I just wanted to talk about a party.
Speaker 1: I feel like barely. Yeah, Lindsey, we're working towards something
Speaker 1: that would be building up his friendship, but I'm not
Speaker 1: there yet. Chris and Greg, you know, we worked very
Speaker 1: closely together, all right. Not just a handsome boy, but
Speaker 1: a very active boy. I mean that that kid he
Speaker 1: goes for the cake, he starts crawling around like a madman.
Speaker 1: I mean he's something. I will say the other The
Speaker 1: only other problem I had to the party was Greg
Speaker 1: brought his durable daughter, Ellis, who is two and a
Speaker 1: half three and a half, and she walked away with
Speaker 1: the party. She stole the party, and I thought that
Speaker 1: was a little bit like if you're gonna bring a
Speaker 1: cute little girl, like realize who the party's for and
Speaker 1: who should be the star's leaving it there. She can't
Speaker 1: help it. She's just she seems to be um a
Speaker 1: little precocious. Well he can go to her wedding someday
Speaker 1: and get her back. Oh I like that little revenge.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So that's what's going on, Lindsay. Uh, Jack
Speaker 1: turns two next year, and maybe we could work this
Speaker 1: out a whole year to build up to that. So
Speaker 1: that's everything that's cooking. And before we move on, we
Speaker 1: will check behind the glass. Every time I look behind
Speaker 1: the glasses, more and more people back there. That's how
Speaker 1: you know it's getting real. Uh TV, How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1: What is going on? I got a whole squad with me.
Speaker 1: You know how that meme goes, squad goes. This is
Speaker 1: my squad right here. We're old. I thought maybe Lindsey
Speaker 1: had a chance to know it, but squad doesn't connect
Speaker 1: with me. I'm sorry, squad goes all right? Cool. One
Speaker 1: more thing about my party. I did buy some corn
Speaker 1: hole boards and um, they had American flags on them.
Speaker 1: I spent ten extra dollars to get the ones that
Speaker 1: had the American flag on him. And Greg, who lives
Speaker 1: on the throne of ease as we know, with the
Speaker 1: Patriots teammates with West, and again Greg aligns himself in
Speaker 1: the throne of East scenarios. West is like the Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan of corn Hall, so he pretty much just show
Speaker 1: up if you're his Teammate's great, So Greg Patriots fan
Speaker 1: cornhole with West as a teammate. Like what what else
Speaker 1: is like a throne of the stuff. It's like the
Speaker 1: rap where there's like the rapper and then the guy
Speaker 1: on the stage with the rapper that waves around the
Speaker 1: white towns. I don't need socialize at parties anymore. I
Speaker 1: just bring my cute daughter and she kind of does
Speaker 1: it all for me. It is pretty good. So good
Speaker 1: job with that, Greg, You got the whole thing figured out,
Speaker 1: this game called life. All right, let's do some news
Speaker 1: that what you knew that was. Is it gonna get old?
Speaker 1: I mean I like to think it's not old yet.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's been played out now? No? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think we're quite there yet. Does Casablanca get old?
Speaker 1: All right? So let's start. We'll start with some somber news.
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Frank Gifford has died at the age
Speaker 1: of eighty four. A statement was released on Sunday, he
Speaker 1: died suddenly at his Connecticut home of natural causes. Of course,
Speaker 1: Frank Gifford is maybe the ultimate giant versatile star both
Speaker 1: offensive defense and defense during his time. He went on
Speaker 1: to a successful second career as a broadcaster for ABC.
Speaker 1: He was on that Monday Night football team with Howard Cosell.
Speaker 1: Of course, So Frank Gifford dead at the age of
Speaker 1: eighty four, and West I thought, um, you know you're
Speaker 1: a good guy to write this stuff with your knowledge
Speaker 1: of the history. You wrote a nice retrospective piece on Gifford.
Speaker 1: You can't on on one hand you can probably count
Speaker 1: the transcendent talents who are in the College Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the Sports
Speaker 1: Broadcasting Hall of Fame, and were the subject of the
Speaker 1: best book in football literature, History of Fans Notes. I mean,
Speaker 1: and Frank Gifford, Really, what I wish I would have
Speaker 1: paid more attention to in the article spanned the old
Speaker 1: NFL when it was behind boxing, baseball, college football, golf.
Speaker 1: It was an afterthought. And then by the by the
Speaker 1: time he started broadcasting, NFL is already number one on
Speaker 1: the list. So his career spans that by the time
Speaker 1: he's done broadcasting, NFL leaves every other sport in the dust.
Speaker 1: He is I think one of the most transcendent figures
Speaker 1: in American sports history. Well, he's one of the people
Speaker 1: that brought the NFL to the limelight, that fifties Giants team,
Speaker 1: and he was the star of it. He was the
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter and the equivalent to Mickey Mantle you know
Speaker 1: of his day. Helped popularize the sport. You got Vince
Speaker 1: Lombardi as the offensive coordinator, that Tom Landry as the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. You're winning lots of games. Here's a great
Speaker 1: looking guy who you're putting on the cover of all
Speaker 1: the newspapers that played that made the probo at three positions,
Speaker 1: which is a mind boggling thing as it is. And
Speaker 1: he's a guy I think if you read about the
Speaker 1: NFL in that time, he was the guy. Like if
Speaker 1: you said he's one of the most transcendent guys in sports,
Speaker 1: I think of him. If you're just ranking influential guys
Speaker 1: in NFL history, he would have to be in like
Speaker 1: the twenty names that you mentioned, right, ten twenty names
Speaker 1: that you mentioned. Frank Gifford is one of those names, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and it is amazing that if you, like, if you
Speaker 1: were a kid growing up in the eighties like myself
Speaker 1: and then Greg and not West grew up in the eighties,
Speaker 1: but you were more like a child of the early seventies,
Speaker 1: wasn't born in early seventies. My point being is that
Speaker 1: I only knew Frank Gifford is as really the announcer
Speaker 1: from Monday Night Football and Cathy Lee's husband, but there
Speaker 1: was this whole other guy, really love machine, as she
Speaker 1: very publicly referred to. I gotta talk to my wife
Speaker 1: about renaming myself. We need a new nickname for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another new nickname. But yeah, it's it's amazing that he
Speaker 1: was able to have two totally separate careers that were
Speaker 1: huge and yeah, iconic figure Frank Gifford that at the
Speaker 1: age of eighty four, kind of crazy that uh that
Speaker 1: you mentioned his versatility as a player, but as a
Speaker 1: broadcaster he did play by play and was also the analyst.
Speaker 1: That's a totally different skill set. That says a lot
Speaker 1: to me about how seriously he took his uh second
Speaker 1: career of broadcast broadcast either he's the broadcaster on the
Speaker 1: number one show on TV exactly, and not everybody can
Speaker 1: do it, either Lindsay or I mean, I think of
Speaker 1: Joe Namath is another try to be a broadcaster didn't work.
Speaker 1: Gifford obviously had the goods and did the work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and it's one thing to to sit there as
Speaker 1: the analyst, and and that that it takes the skill
Speaker 1: set to be a very good analyst to know which
Speaker 1: stories and anecdotes fit where and how to get in
Speaker 1: and out and talk for the right amount of time,
Speaker 1: especially when you're calling a game, so you don't want
Speaker 1: to talk. You want to get out before the next
Speaker 1: place starts, so the play by play guy can hop in.
Speaker 1: But but to be the play by play person, it's
Speaker 1: obviously you need to have knowledge of the game, but
Speaker 1: you also need to kind of know your role and
Speaker 1: do the traffic copying getting in and out of break Dan,
Speaker 1: as you well know as the host of this fine program, uh,
Speaker 1: Gifford on the same level of very similar like definitely
Speaker 1: here and here. Can I also point out I feel
Speaker 1: like it's poetic to some degree that a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer passes away while the fraternity is gathered, like Art
Speaker 1: Donovan did in two. This is not a small point
Speaker 1: your point about the play by play thing. I just
Speaker 1: want to say real quick. He was known as one
Speaker 1: of the classiest guys and him, he and Howard Cosell.
Speaker 1: When I'm doing the Monday night football thing for love
Speaker 1: you Blue Cosell is doing the color and Gifford is
Speaker 1: doing the play by play. The player had you know
Speaker 1: enough humility to take on that rule? Alright? Moving on, Um,
Speaker 1: Steve Smith, West, your boy for years and years and years,
Speaker 1: is making the two thousand fifteen season his last. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Ravens wide receiver announced Monday he will retire at
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Uh. He said to reporters,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the best place. If this
Speaker 1: is going to be the end, this will be the
Speaker 1: place to end it. Draft in the third round in
Speaker 1: the two thousand one draft by the Panthers. Uh. Smith
Speaker 1: has been no less than one of the most dynamic
Speaker 1: receivers and personalities of his era. And of course, UH,
Speaker 1: you know a guy that has been able to keep
Speaker 1: his career afloat and thriving well into his thirties, which
Speaker 1: is not easy to do. Uh, West, your thoughts about
Speaker 1: Steve Smith In the end, He's a no doubt Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer in my mind, which is obscured a little
Speaker 1: bit by the fact he played in Charlotte for almost
Speaker 1: his entire career and had one season ruined by a
Speaker 1: broken leg in his prime, had two more season sabotage
Speaker 1: by NFL worst quarterback play, in fact, some of the
Speaker 1: worst quarterback play we've ever seen. And he's still gonna
Speaker 1: be in the top twelve or third team when he
Speaker 1: finishes his career. In receiving yards, number one all time
Speaker 1: and receiving yards per game, well ahead of Michael Irvin
Speaker 1: and Jerry Rice, who are number two and three in
Speaker 1: postseason yards per game from two thousand five to two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. The best receiver in the NFL, this
Speaker 1: guy's he's not a lot of people agree with you
Speaker 1: on that. A lot of people would think t O
Speaker 1: in that time or Randy number certainly wasn't the best time.
Speaker 1: Randy Moss and I agree with you, and now you're
Speaker 1: in a position where you can start banging this drum
Speaker 1: for the next five years that he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: But I don't think everyone's gonna agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: Chase Stewart, from football perspective, has done a lot of
Speaker 1: studies on this yards per team passing attempt. The Panthers
Speaker 1: were always a run heavy team. It shows that Steve
Speaker 1: Smith's dominance that number one and number two on the
Speaker 1: in modern history yards per team passing attempt Steve Smith
Speaker 1: two thousand five, Steve Smith two thousand eight, he has
Speaker 1: the top two season. Maybe he didn't have the cash
Speaker 1: a in terms of intimidation of some of those greats
Speaker 1: like a Moss or and Owens, but as a competitor,
Speaker 1: the guy was peerless. And and there was a great
Speaker 1: quote from someone on the Ravens coaching side, I think
Speaker 1: it was Harbor said, if you weren't prepared against Steve Smith,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get humiliated because that's he was so ferocious
Speaker 1: on the field. Well, he wasn't the mismatch that Teo
Speaker 1: was or that Randy Moss was. I mean, you're looking
Speaker 1: at a much smaller wide receiver here. So the fact
Speaker 1: that he's even mentioned in the same sentence that he
Speaker 1: is able to win those position battles, uh, Well you
Speaker 1: always here. Pound for pound, he wasn't pound for pound
Speaker 1: the toughest receiver in league. He was the toughest receiving
Speaker 1: the league. At five ft nine or whatever. And you know,
Speaker 1: like Taylor and Ronde Barber, who have three seventy career
Speaker 1: NFL starts, both have said Steve Smith is the hardest
Speaker 1: receiver they've ever covered. Sound sets up a scenario here
Speaker 1: where that'll be a part of the storyline, especially if
Speaker 1: the Ravens are one of the better teams in the league,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people think they are. It's like
Speaker 1: win one for Steve put him in the hall. Well,
Speaker 1: why I mentioned it now, it's a weird it's a
Speaker 1: little weird timing. I don't know, get a little uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you get a little uh. Everybody loves a
Speaker 1: little adulation, and that's what he's gonna get all year,
Speaker 1: people saying that he's been great, And I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong, but I think NFL players are creatures
Speaker 1: of routine, and I think you want to have that
Speaker 1: mindset going into a season like this is my last.
Speaker 1: We're gonna just miss like the sound bites. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've had any interaction with him, just
Speaker 1: that and what is the bananas or well, you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of thought that he was going to be
Speaker 1: a little intimidating because he's got that edge on the
Speaker 1: field that I sort of thought he was going to
Speaker 1: come in and be maybe a little bit difficult, and
Speaker 1: he was just as nice as could be. And um,
Speaker 1: I felt like I learned a lot about his personality
Speaker 1: when he came in. He came in to do Total
Speaker 1: Access a few years ago, and he was promoting a
Speaker 1: charity that he has and I'm going to I don't
Speaker 1: know the name of the charity, but it's essentially like
Speaker 1: he and people from his church go and wash the
Speaker 1: feet of homeless people and it's a humility exercise. And
Speaker 1: it's not the kind of thing you would associate with
Speaker 1: Steve Smith if you've only watched him on the field
Speaker 1: and all the trash talking and stuff his person I
Speaker 1: was telling us where to go eat and like Compton
Speaker 1: or you know some of the local places that he
Speaker 1: still comes back to in frequent remember interviewing him. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was last year he when he came to the
Speaker 1: to the studio. In the middle of the interview, his
Speaker 1: whole family walks into the little office and his daughter
Speaker 1: sits on his lap and he like continues interview. So
Speaker 1: it's like, this is not the Steve Smith that keep
Speaker 1: to leave, deal with, dealt with during his career. I
Speaker 1: have an anecdote on this. I I wrote last year
Speaker 1: an article on him, and I summarized all the fights
Speaker 1: he's been in where he's basically left the other guy
Speaker 1: in shambles. Three fights in his NFL career, and he
Speaker 1: got ahold of Panthers pr and they called me and
Speaker 1: told me to take it down. He didn't want that
Speaker 1: image of him out there. Interesting. He also released a
Speaker 1: tweet today. Sometimes it's better to walk away when you
Speaker 1: hear that voice talking to you than to wait and
Speaker 1: they push you out the door. Greg. We can we
Speaker 1: can distill that down to head the call by the
Speaker 1: way West, any empty nest syndrome. Famously, Steve Smith has
Speaker 1: the honeymoon suite in your stable of boys? Is this
Speaker 1: in Odell Beckham connection? Is he's going to move right
Speaker 1: in to Steve spot or do you retire this? I
Speaker 1: think you have to vacate that for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense, all right, Steve Smith? One year to go?
Speaker 1: All right? Moving on? Uh. Nick Foles has signed a
Speaker 1: contract extension with the St. Louis Ramsas is something that
Speaker 1: was reported by Ian earlier in the summer that something
Speaker 1: was cooking, and I think we all were a little
Speaker 1: surprised that it could be something that happens, but they
Speaker 1: struck a two year deal. Nick Foles now has some
Speaker 1: security in St. Louis to go with the starting job. Greg,
Speaker 1: were you surprised that this uh happened? I mean, because
Speaker 1: we haven't seen much since from Nick Foles since last
Speaker 1: year's injury. Well, on the face of it, it seems insane.
Speaker 1: Why would you be signing up for more years of
Speaker 1: Nick Foles with Frank Signetti who has never been the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in a shaky It just sounds bizarre. But
Speaker 1: then when when I haven't we haven't even seen all
Speaker 1: the details, and I think there's a reason for that.
Speaker 1: There's fourteen million dollars guaranteed, and I suspect almost all
Speaker 1: of that, if not all of it, will just be
Speaker 1: this year's salary. So if you're Nick Foles, you're at
Speaker 1: the last year of your rookie contract. He's gonna get
Speaker 1: paid like a starting quarterback, which he deserves to be,
Speaker 1: and I suspect there's almost no commitment after that. So
Speaker 1: if he plays well, the Rams have him for a
Speaker 1: couple more years at a pretty low rate. If he
Speaker 1: plays terribly, I I suspect they'll easily be able to
Speaker 1: cut him and he gets to be paid this year
Speaker 1: in in a fair manner instead of like a backup.
Speaker 1: Do you want your starting quarterback going into the year
Speaker 1: without a deal past this year? I mean mentally, it's like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell everybody, everyone who will listen, that you
Speaker 1: believe in Nick Foles, that Nick Foles is the guy
Speaker 1: that can get it done this year. You want Nick
Speaker 1: Foles to believe that you believe that, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: let him go into the year with essentially a lame
Speaker 1: duck status. That's the way I look at this. I
Speaker 1: think think this is just kind of and it's two years.
Speaker 1: It's not like they extended him for four or five
Speaker 1: or something like that. They're just giving him a little
Speaker 1: bit of security thing, we believe in. You get it done,
Speaker 1: and then we'll we'll come back to the table, we'll
Speaker 1: discuss someone. I agree. I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: very team friendly. If anything. The only person who could
Speaker 1: come out bad in this is fold if he happened
Speaker 1: to have a Pro Bowl type of season, which would
Speaker 1: be bizarre. I think Lindsay made a good point. I
Speaker 1: think it's more important to identify the right quarterback than
Speaker 1: it is to get a mediocre guy under contract. But
Speaker 1: like you said, it's only two years, and like Greg said,
Speaker 1: it could only be one year. I mean, they can
Speaker 1: cut ties after this year if they want to. But
Speaker 1: I think I've read uh Don Banks from S I
Speaker 1: talked to Jeff Fisher, and what comes across is they
Speaker 1: really like fulls height. It's weird because after Sam Bradford
Speaker 1: got hurt, they just thought, all these backups we have
Speaker 1: can't see our wide receivers when they're open. They just
Speaker 1: wanted a tall guy. They do have a lot of
Speaker 1: smaller wide receivers. Yeah, that doesn't get me excited about
Speaker 1: the St. Louis offensive minds in in place right now
Speaker 1: that we just want reivers. Yeah, that's true that he
Speaker 1: was due one point five million in the final year
Speaker 1: of his deal. That's fourteen million and guaranteed coming his
Speaker 1: way twenty four and a half over two years. So
Speaker 1: pretty nice money for a guy that doesn't have much
Speaker 1: to show for in his career. So if it, if
Speaker 1: it helps him at all this season, it's an investment
Speaker 1: that is certainly worth taking or baking. If you're the St.
Speaker 1: Louis Rams. I mean, think of how much you're investing
Speaker 1: and better, I got the Rams going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Go Fols. That's weird alright, Moving on, so we have
Speaker 1: Vante David has a new deal as well. This comes
Speaker 1: a week after the Lions got DeAndre Levy under contract
Speaker 1: of the big note new deal, and now according to
Speaker 1: Ran Getlin, our new guy for NFL Media, the Bucks
Speaker 1: have agreed to terms with David on a five year
Speaker 1: deal worth fifty point million with twenty five and a
Speaker 1: half million guarantee. That money from rap sheet. Uh that
Speaker 1: includes some escalators as well. Uh. Lavante David now getting
Speaker 1: paid like a superstar. Uh. Linebacker and Chris Westling does
Speaker 1: he deserved that time type of money? Absolutely? He. Thomas
Speaker 1: Davis and DeAndre Levy are the are the trio of
Speaker 1: for three linebackers who should be Pro Bowlers every year.
Speaker 1: They're that good. DeAndre Levy as a rookie had twenty
Speaker 1: tackles for loss, which was the highest total by a
Speaker 1: rookie since the second highest since the year two thousand
Speaker 1: and then, as a second year player in two five interceptions,
Speaker 1: seven sacks, five tackles, he just stuffed the box score
Speaker 1: every game. I think that's one of the best four
Speaker 1: three linebacker seasons we've seen in a while. Another guy
Speaker 1: under the radar. A lot of people probably know him
Speaker 1: more because that Week one against the Jets where he
Speaker 1: pushed Gino Smith out of bounds and it costs the
Speaker 1: Bucks a game. You don't get a lot of pub
Speaker 1: when you're on a bad team playing well. I feel
Speaker 1: like that was maybe most high profile play in terms
Speaker 1: of what the public knows about him. But this guy
Speaker 1: has been doing it for several years. Now, Pay your
Speaker 1: linebacker month in the NFL, Well, it's very rare that.
Speaker 1: It's very rare that you see three contracts come that
Speaker 1: are so direct leave related to each other. I mean,
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner's contract lead to Levy and this contract. If
Speaker 1: one of them, if none of them got done, if
Speaker 1: if Wagon hadn't started it, I don't know if any
Speaker 1: of them get done, and then all three of them
Speaker 1: get done together because it's basically around the same the
Speaker 1: same level. You bring up an interesting point though, about
Speaker 1: the guys who haven't been to the Pro Bowl that
Speaker 1: play a linebacker. They're clearly among the best linebackers in
Speaker 1: the league. It almost feels like we've come to a
Speaker 1: point in the NFL's evolution where you need to separate them,
Speaker 1: where it's like somehow you've got a pretest rusher category
Speaker 1: and then you've got the sideline tackler. I find the
Speaker 1: sideline has to be a different category than edge rush.
Speaker 1: Call it the roads rule. I would love that. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's let's definitely name an NFL rule after me. I
Speaker 1: like it. I'm on board for that being it. Let's
Speaker 1: give PFF a little off too. By the way, I
Speaker 1: always make fun of Pro Football Focus. Well here they're
Speaker 1: like the things we disagree with, but I think they've
Speaker 1: raised awareness for some of these guys. They were early
Speaker 1: on the lead the Levy and Lavante David Um bandwagon.
Speaker 1: And look, the NFL teams agree. They're paying him ten
Speaker 1: million dollars. Absolutely, three cheers for PFF. That that's big
Speaker 1: words from West. Remember the awkward showdown you had with
Speaker 1: that guy was very nice. I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: awkward at all. You basically assassinated him on the air. Well, look,
Speaker 1: you can't have Gary Barninge or whatever the guy's name
Speaker 1: was as your top rated tight end like Gary barn
Speaker 1: is getting something. Actually it wasn't. Yeah, Ben Harts is
Speaker 1: your number one rated tight end because he's a good blocker.
Speaker 1: Give me a break, All right, let's move on to
Speaker 1: the New York Giants Jason Pierre Paul. We all know
Speaker 1: what happened to poor jp P on the fourth of July.
Speaker 1: Lost the finger, jacked up his hand thanks to some
Speaker 1: fireworks Shenanigans. Uh. New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin said
Speaker 1: Saturday that he's finally uh spoke with his star defensive end.
Speaker 1: They had a quote good conversation on Friday, but then
Speaker 1: again the news that Pierre Paul is not going to
Speaker 1: report to the Giants and signed that franchise tag until
Speaker 1: he's healthy enough to get on the field. Coughlin had
Speaker 1: this to say, He's looking forward to coming, He's anxious
Speaker 1: to be here, but he's not gonna come until he
Speaker 1: feels like he's ready to play. Clearly, you don't have
Speaker 1: to read between the lines. Giants management is frustrated with
Speaker 1: how JPP has handled all of this, and uh, they
Speaker 1: don't know when they're going to get him back. Are
Speaker 1: we gonna see Jack lindsay, We're gonna see JPP on
Speaker 1: the field this year. This is a weird situation this year.
Speaker 1: I don't know, not at anytime soon. And then when
Speaker 1: he does get back on the field, is he going
Speaker 1: to be able to do what he did before? I mean,
Speaker 1: and he's sort of for a while. He's missing too, right,
Speaker 1: because he has that fractured thumb also, so I don't
Speaker 1: even really know how messed up the hand is. Beyond
Speaker 1: the finger the thumb, that could be even worse. Well,
Speaker 1: John John Mara keeps saying the same line. He said
Speaker 1: it on Monday again when he spoke that he doesn't
Speaker 1: know how many fingers JPPS, which sounds like he's almost
Speaker 1: making a joke about it, but I think he means it.
Speaker 1: He said at that point he was sending him a message,
Speaker 1: I think right, because that was before JPP really had
Speaker 1: talked to anybody in the organization. And he's saying, look,
Speaker 1: we don't even we don't even know because we haven't
Speaker 1: seen him, because this guy won't at us in the room.
Speaker 1: I mean, he won't return our phone calls. I pointed
Speaker 1: this story out as something we talked about just because
Speaker 1: it seemed crazy to me that Coughlin didn't speak to
Speaker 1: him until Friday, and that they have no idea when
Speaker 1: he's going to show back up, and that Tom Coughlin
Speaker 1: texted him almost immediately after it happened, and JPP didn't
Speaker 1: get off to him. That doesn't seem like the kind
Speaker 1: of coach that you blow off a text from and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna come back and you're gonna be welcomed
Speaker 1: back into the organization. Tom Coughlin seems to mean he
Speaker 1: can say everything's fine, but he just doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're five minutes early for a meeting,
Speaker 1: you're late. If it's Tom Coughlin, this guy doesn't text
Speaker 1: you back for a couple of weeks. I be happy
Speaker 1: if this continues. I would not be shocked that this
Speaker 1: relationship falls apart entirely if the communication doesn't build back
Speaker 1: up and he never plays again for the Giants. Steve
Speaker 1: Steve Tiss, who's the Giants, Cohner has said he you know,
Speaker 1: quoted the Daily News saying he's very frustrating because Pierre
Speaker 1: Paul won't reach out to him. Said that we have
Speaker 1: the New York Giants have the best doctors in the country,
Speaker 1: if not the world, and we want to help you,
Speaker 1: and yet you you insist on being in Florida. There's
Speaker 1: a serious amount of frustration building up and I get it.
Speaker 1: And look, we've made quite an investment in you and
Speaker 1: this wasn't like you got in a car accident. Something
Speaker 1: was completely out of your control. And you know you're
Speaker 1: understandably upset about how this will impact your life moving forward.
Speaker 1: Needs some time to yourself. You made bad choices, and
Speaker 1: those will have ramifications for our football team, Like we're
Speaker 1: reaching out to you to show you a little empathy.
Speaker 1: You need to give us something back. In fairness, did
Speaker 1: you see those pictures of his the band is and
Speaker 1: everything like that would be tough to text with. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to imagine you didn't. I've got the voice
Speaker 1: a little too. That is, it's about a month or so,
Speaker 1: maybe six weeks, and we can make the texting hand joke. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: we'll revisit that. Uh lindsay you're bringing the fire today,
Speaker 1: Fire and Flannel. That is like the nickname if you
Speaker 1: had to remember those posters, the cheesy nineties posters where
Speaker 1: they would be in like like Warren Moon would be
Speaker 1: like full moon, howling fire and flannel, like in the
Speaker 1: middle of the death Wait wait, would I be going
Speaker 1: like that? Arms, arms like price, like hashtag fire and flannel.
Speaker 1: All right, uh, we have football. By the way, football
Speaker 1: was played for the first time this season, the Hall
Speaker 1: of Hall of Fame game, our own Mark Sessler, who
Speaker 1: again the sizzler who's been out of the mix on
Speaker 1: the show for the past few shows. We'll be back
Speaker 1: when we talk to him a little bit later. But
Speaker 1: there was a game the Minnesota Vikings and Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1: A really exciting action packed the game. You never forget
Speaker 1: four teen three Vikings win. I'm just kidding. It was
Speaker 1: not exciting. No big bend, no apeah, nothing, nothing to
Speaker 1: get excited about. But football's football, and it did gangbusters ratings.
Speaker 1: I think I saw a tweet that it had better
Speaker 1: ratings in the Stanley Cup finals. So football, yeah, people
Speaker 1: are I can't wait to tell my husband because he
Speaker 1: was making fun of me that I was excited for this.
Speaker 1: He was like, it doesn't matter, and I said, look
Speaker 1: at for one theories that matters this week because you're
Speaker 1: going to see some starters. Wait, I watched Bridget Jones
Speaker 1: diary instead of this football. That's ridiculous. It wasn't my choice.
Speaker 1: Do you know you're gonna date. Do you watch it?
Speaker 1: Cost you your job? You want to keep that fan
Speaker 1: base that you alluded to on the last show. Look
Speaker 1: Bridget jones Diary but it forgive me in a side here.
Speaker 1: But Mark Darcy, the guy in that show, should have
Speaker 1: never gone with Bridget Jones. Who's just she messes up everything,
Speaker 1: she has nothing going for her, and that whole show
Speaker 1: is just ridiculous. This would have been a great topic
Speaker 1: for the podcast, or whenever, that's a terrible movie? Who
Speaker 1: was we agree with on that? How did this? How
Speaker 1: did you even come to see that movie? I was
Speaker 1: given a choice of a few, and that was wait,
Speaker 1: did you watch it with a lady friend with a
Speaker 1: lady lady? Lady? Was it the one that's in the
Speaker 1: mix right now? There are a few in the mix,
Speaker 1: wait saying whoa hey, oh do they listen to the podcast?
Speaker 1: To be careful, he will be careful with your words.
Speaker 1: I haven't told them that I do a podcast. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's smartly, but they clearly these are deep relationships that
Speaker 1: you're going figure it out, all right? Is this the moment?
Speaker 1: I mean, you scream podcaster? Alright, flawed? I'd like us
Speaker 1: that we're talking about all this highlights. Mike Zimmer and
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin are glaring down. We should still keep talking
Speaker 1: about it. Well, there's nothing really to report, Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: Well she got you to watch Jones diary. We know
Speaker 1: that a football we know that you can be pretty well. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch the Hall of Fame game
Speaker 1: no matter what. You could be pretty unbendable, Bridgewater. You
Speaker 1: can watch game pass comes up sometimes soon you can
Speaker 1: watch it on that Hey, I'll give you a little uh,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a little takeaway from it. Your boy
Speaker 1: Ryan's his ear all over the field again, he's Mr preseason.
Speaker 1: He looked great. That was my only takeaway. You know something?
Speaker 1: Is there a lady in the lead right now? Off
Speaker 1: your heart? I don't even think my heart's into it yet.
Speaker 1: Let's let's see what happens here. I mean, let's let's
Speaker 1: take it slow. Are how many dates in are we?
Speaker 1: How many dates deep with this girl too? Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll give you that interesting. What does she think about
Speaker 1: dree Archer? She has no idea who dree Archer is. Okay,
Speaker 1: West play in the field. I like it. He's in
Speaker 1: the game. All right, that's good at a lot there.
Speaker 1: So that game happened, and more football is to come.
Speaker 1: The biggest news really to come out of the game.
Speaker 1: The place kicker for the Steelers show on Sweet him
Speaker 1: towards a c L. So his season is over. So
Speaker 1: and by the way, I know, we joke around kickers
Speaker 1: who cares not easy to kick in Hines field, extra
Speaker 1: points are further back. They gotta now, they gotta find
Speaker 1: a kicker that's not a that's not a small small thing.
Speaker 1: He's been one of the most accurate kickers in the
Speaker 1: NFL the last couple of years, which is surprising. He
Speaker 1: had a pretty bad start to the crew. You're right,
Speaker 1: that used to be kind of the graveyard for kickers,
Speaker 1: you know, a tough place, probably fine one where they
Speaker 1: found seem for free. Just wait till somebody drafts him
Speaker 1: in your fantasy league. Good point. Um, all right, that's
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. Hey, let's talk about some
Speaker 1: position battles. In fact, it's called the Position Battle Awards.
Speaker 1: Let's go for it. So why don't we go around
Speaker 1: the table here and each throw out a position battle
Speaker 1: in training camp right now? You know, for the sake
Speaker 1: of let's have some fun here, give it a title,
Speaker 1: what what the what the award is, and we'll start
Speaker 1: with fiery and flannel Lindsay Rhodes. We're gonna start with me.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, We're gonna start with I would love to
Speaker 1: lead us off now listen, We're not gonna do it, though. Listen,
Speaker 1: We're listen the now transitions coming right now. It used
Speaker 1: to be able to throw to whoever I wanted to,
Speaker 1: and it was fun. Now I'm I'm very structured. Td
Speaker 1: S glaring at me. He's disapproving of my abilities as
Speaker 1: a host. We're gonna start with West, get us going, baby,
Speaker 1: most Matt money Smith alluded to it opening Drop the
Speaker 1: most life draining quarterback battle in the NFL. The Bills,
Speaker 1: who just every time you hear anything about them, you
Speaker 1: don't think they can get any worse, But they do.
Speaker 1: I think um. One of the Beat writers, used the
Speaker 1: phrase mostly putrid to describe their performance in in the
Speaker 1: scrimmage on Saturday, Matt Castle basically they told him to
Speaker 1: hand off every time. E J. Manuel won by default
Speaker 1: because after all three quarterbacks had gone against the first,
Speaker 1: second and third team defenses, he finally found the end zone,
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor made a few good passive and missed too
Speaker 1: many throws. Uh So, basically all three continued to be underwhelming, subpar, humanistic,
Speaker 1: robot awful quarterbacks. Whatever. I have two tweets from the
Speaker 1: session today, one from Matthew fairburn ej Manuel's first pass
Speaker 1: of the two minute drill against the third team defense
Speaker 1: was intercepted by undrafted rookie West Miller, and from Tyler Dunn.
Speaker 1: Manuel bobble the shotguns snapping through it at Wood's feet
Speaker 1: on a quick out. Bad day for him, good day
Speaker 1: for Castle. Castle did get some good news. He will
Speaker 1: start the preseason opener, which the first crack. Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: concerning to me is that every day that you check
Speaker 1: in with a beat writer there on Twitter, every day
Speaker 1: a different quarterback has had a good day and an
Speaker 1: awful day. It's there's no continuity there. Well, part of
Speaker 1: the biggest part of the problem. And I've been watching
Speaker 1: this one pretty closely. If they're going up against Mario
Speaker 1: Williams and Marcel Darius and that defensive line, and then, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, the Bill's offensive line could stink like
Speaker 1: it might be a really poor offensive line. You got
Speaker 1: Corty Glenn. You know, you would think he's solid. Other
Speaker 1: than that, they're getting overwhelmed and they're definitely not quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that are going to be able to overcome that. So
Speaker 1: even though they're not going to go up against the
Speaker 1: Bills every week, they are going to go up against
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Dolphins and and have some troubles.
Speaker 1: That does Rex Ryan put himself back in this position.
Speaker 1: It's the exact same thing. It's Groundhog Day in his
Speaker 1: NFL career, and he said it himself. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's true, but when he got hired, he said,
Speaker 1: this is my last chance, and I'm going to make
Speaker 1: sure I make this work. Will you just put yourself
Speaker 1: in the same situation that sabotaged your first shot at
Speaker 1: this It's the team that is in quote quarterback purgatory,
Speaker 1: according to its general manager Doug Whaley, who went on
Speaker 1: local radio last week and essentially said, like, we're probably
Speaker 1: not getting a franchise quarterback anytime soon because we're gonna
Speaker 1: be too good to draft them that high. Hey, by
Speaker 1: the way, that don't assume you're gonna win eight games
Speaker 1: or nine games again. You might be back at the
Speaker 1: top of the draft. I think the Bills personally will
Speaker 1: be good, but it's the NFL. Only about three teams
Speaker 1: can assume they're gonna win ten games. After that, anyone
Speaker 1: could be a four or five win team that defense
Speaker 1: can give them. I was gonna say, you see the
Speaker 1: number of wins. Maybe the GM shouldn't say that, but
Speaker 1: you see his point, like they're probably gonna will that
Speaker 1: defense could will them to at least six wins, and
Speaker 1: then you're out of the top five in the draft. Hey, draft,
Speaker 1: how about look at the top quarterbacks in like Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Tom Brady. There's plenty of guys that aren't.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not that easy to find a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Mr Thron, did you see what I've been a quarterback
Speaker 1: purgatory since seventy Did you read why Rex didn't even
Speaker 1: know what's that? Rex said he considered signing Michael Vick,
Speaker 1: but his hands are too small, which seems on the
Speaker 1: list of problems with the Bill's quarterbacks pretty slight compared
Speaker 1: to E. J. Manuel Matt Castle on Tyrod Taylor. Small
Speaker 1: hands might get you the job in Buffalo, Lindsey the
Speaker 1: next award, Let's go for least dramatic quarterback battle, and
Speaker 1: I think that that obviously goes to the Eagles, Sam
Speaker 1: Bradefood Mark Sanchez, who here thought this was going to
Speaker 1: be a quarterback battle coming into the year, because they
Speaker 1: sort of said that, and then as soon as training
Speaker 1: camp started, they were like, hey, guess what, Sam Bradford's
Speaker 1: our guy for I did not because I have a
Speaker 1: sandwich on it in Weston Market and look, he could
Speaker 1: go down with another a c L injury any minute.
Speaker 1: Well that's fair. That was part of the reason why
Speaker 1: I took the proposition, because you thought he might tear
Speaker 1: as a c L. Yeah, I think Sam Bradford, there's
Speaker 1: no I mean, anything can happen between now and then
Speaker 1: as far as injuries go. And he's not a guy
Speaker 1: who inspires confidence there. Well, he's inspired confidence in the
Speaker 1: Eagles coaching staff and maybe they just have to say it.
Speaker 1: But he hasn't missed, by the way, a single rep
Speaker 1: of training camp, forget miss a day. He's been taking
Speaker 1: all the snaps. He's been out there for every rep.
Speaker 1: And they said, you know, Chip Kelly's talking him up
Speaker 1: that he picks up our reads. He's accurate. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're just saying that to build him up.
Speaker 1: But whatever it is, they're making it clear. Like Lindsay said,
Speaker 1: it's not really a battle. Things over sorry mark Over.
Speaker 1: Before it started, they never really battle. They said it
Speaker 1: was going to be a battle, and then before they
Speaker 1: even took their first reps, they were like Bradford Winner,
Speaker 1: Eagles West. Nice try Sanchez with that move. It is
Speaker 1: his move and he is a perfect backup quarterback for
Speaker 1: that team, and he knows the offense and he performed
Speaker 1: decent last year. How about a little drama though we
Speaker 1: talked about this on our last show, but Tim Tebow,
Speaker 1: you know if the quarterback room is he gonna make
Speaker 1: the team? Was a little drama there. There is a
Speaker 1: little bit bark Barkley or Tebow, Right, one of them's
Speaker 1: got to go. There's Barkley. You're a usc um a lum, right, Lindsey,
Speaker 1: I am. So you have very close personal ties to
Speaker 1: Matt Barkley. Probably go the same wine mixers and sent
Speaker 1: you wine mixers. That's the mos Trojan's Do you like him?
Speaker 1: I like him very much. Barkley is a good guy.
Speaker 1: That Barkley is a very nice guy. I'm reading between
Speaker 1: the lines that means bad guy. Maybe no, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Not much drama in Philadelphia, maybe there will be some
Speaker 1: drama in Cleveland. I'm gonna give the Cleveland Battle Award
Speaker 1: that transition a B plus. Okay, I'm gonna give it
Speaker 1: the Metaphysical Battle Award because Johnny Manzel, he's not battling
Speaker 1: Josh McCown, who is you know, a person flesh and
Speaker 1: blood out there with him every day. He's battling something
Speaker 1: in the future. He's batting November Josh McCary. This is
Speaker 1: You're painting quite a picture here because he's not gonna
Speaker 1: start Week one. But like a science fiction team, I
Speaker 1: think Manzel is battling. Ultimately, he's battling himself, and he's
Speaker 1: battling the version of Josh McCown that's going to be
Speaker 1: out there for the three and seven Browns in November.
Speaker 1: And so what Johnny Man's doing right now he smarts Josh.
Speaker 1: He's building up a resume, and he's trying to show
Speaker 1: to the bosses, hey, guys, I'm much better this year.
Speaker 1: When this season goes poorly, which most likely will because
Speaker 1: your number one receivers, Taylor Gabriel, Let's go to me
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you something in August like he did
Speaker 1: at the scrimmage on Friday night, where you know, people
Speaker 1: were pretty impressed with what Manzel did, and and try
Speaker 1: to show that he's in the mix later in the season.
Speaker 1: The ongoing disrespect for Josh McCown in this studio is
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. Albert Albert Brier, who was just in Borea,
Speaker 1: he came away convinced that the Browns think Josh mc
Speaker 1: they're getting the two thous not the two thousand fourteen.
Speaker 1: Josh mcowny was stuck behind the worst offensive line in
Speaker 1: the NFL. This is his seventh team. I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one who you know, do the have faith in
Speaker 1: Josh McCown. Six other teams that football Cogniz said he
Speaker 1: don't have faith in. But let's just take a step
Speaker 1: back and look at this logically, that Josh McCown has
Speaker 1: never had sustained success in the NFL. He bombed out
Speaker 1: in his most previous recent season, and now he goes
Speaker 1: to quarterback health. The purgatory is in Buffalo. Quarterback Hell's
Speaker 1: this is mann't have Flutie Jeff Garcia. None of that
Speaker 1: happened in Cleveland I'm just saying these things have Quarterbacks
Speaker 1: have been known to have late career epiphanies. Jeff Garcia
Speaker 1: did happen in Cleveland, asked Browns fans about that, well,
Speaker 1: different type of I take issue with your crowning Taylor
Speaker 1: Gabriel is their number one. That that was essentially a
Speaker 1: shot their lack of number one. By the way, Mark again,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get him on the phone and talk to
Speaker 1: him all about Brown's camp. And you haven't lived until
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler is live tweeting Brown's practice on your tweet deck,
Speaker 1: and I I am enjoying. I feel like that my
Speaker 1: whole life has been building towards this happening, and it
Speaker 1: was going on this morning, so I can't wait to
Speaker 1: talk to me. Mayak was really talking men Zo up
Speaker 1: or his calm feet and saying they've strung to gather
Speaker 1: three practice. What I'm saying is there's no reason to
Speaker 1: ignore the fact that he apparently is building a little
Speaker 1: bit all right now, speaking of the Browns, I will
Speaker 1: throw out the most depressing quarterback battle it's happening down
Speaker 1: in Houston, the Sight of Hard Knocks, by the way,
Speaker 1: starting tomorrow Tuesday, the old Zeuser uh is continuing the
Speaker 1: hard Knocks recaps for around the NFL. Uh So check
Speaker 1: that out. We'll be talking about some hard knocks. That's
Speaker 1: not the point, but it's good to get a plug in,
Speaker 1: even if it's for myself the moment. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: hard Knocks is will also be airing. That's kind of
Speaker 1: a love how he made that about himself. I think
Speaker 1: the joy slash shock on Lindsay's face when he referred
Speaker 1: to yourself as the old Zeuser that he signed an
Speaker 1: email to me as the old suser. Well that's my name.
Speaker 1: That cap it out too, just throwing it in my face. Hey,
Speaker 1: you had your chance, give me a nickname. The most
Speaker 1: depressing battle is Brian Horyer versus Ryan Mallett, because we're
Speaker 1: getting reports out there that either guys really pulled ahead.
Speaker 1: I guess Hoyer has seen as the favorite, but Ryan
Speaker 1: mall was the guy that I think everybody in Houston
Speaker 1: they wanted him to somehow be this steal that they
Speaker 1: get from the Patriots. It's not gonna looking like it's
Speaker 1: gonna work out. Malt can't throw to a receiver, he
Speaker 1: has no accuracy, so Hoyer will probably be the week
Speaker 1: one starter, you would think. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: this is a legitimate competition still between two middling C
Speaker 1: two C minus quarterbacks and without Arian Foster there, and
Speaker 1: we talked about this West they go from, you know,
Speaker 1: playoff sleeper type team too. If they got atrocious quarterback
Speaker 1: play with Alfred Blue behind the quarterback, this could be
Speaker 1: a terrible offense. I'm glad you brought up Arian Foster
Speaker 1: because I thought about this over the weekend. That should
Speaker 1: change the quarterback battle. When they had Arian Foster and
Speaker 1: they can be a run heavy team and hide Brian Hoyer,
Speaker 1: it made sense to go with Brian Hoyer. Now you
Speaker 1: have no running game, Like Greg said, the average three
Speaker 1: point one yards per per carry all the other running
Speaker 1: backs in Houston without a running game, Why don't you
Speaker 1: just see what you have in Mau who actually has
Speaker 1: the arm to pull off a passing attack. M You
Speaker 1: can't structure this game around play action fakes. Now, when
Speaker 1: did you think of this Saturday? While I was walking
Speaker 1: under the bridget Jones's diary or three quarters because your
Speaker 1: mind had to have been wandering Saturday. I was walking
Speaker 1: down the beach before I got a ride to Dan
Speaker 1: to Dan's party walking down the beach, you know, thinking
Speaker 1: about the King of Houston and Ryan Mallett that that
Speaker 1: almost made sense your point on Mallett Hoyer, thank you,
Speaker 1: It almost made change. They're thinking. But I don't know
Speaker 1: either way. You just you need to find someone who
Speaker 1: could do You remember what happened to Brian Hoyer late
Speaker 1: last year with the Browns when they didn't have a
Speaker 1: running attack. It wasn't fun to watch. The bloom came
Speaker 1: off the rose. It is an interesting question, though, that
Speaker 1: you bring up that Hoyer is sort of established as
Speaker 1: an average quarterback in this league. He's had a shot.
Speaker 1: We know what he is capable of doing, although not
Speaker 1: in the best of environments. Uh, is it worth just
Speaker 1: giving Mallet a shot? I think let's roll the dice
Speaker 1: and see and then we can always go back to Hoyer.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I think we heard this
Speaker 1: thing might end quickly, and now it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it's gonna all right. So there it is. Those you
Speaker 1: have another one, Greg, did you want to throw something
Speaker 1: else out there? Well? There were you know, there's lots
Speaker 1: of other battles. Those are just quarterbacks, of course, I
Speaker 1: mean I would throw out the the in Belichick we
Speaker 1: trust award to the Patriots running backs if any other
Speaker 1: team was potentially rolling out Treveris Cadet and James White
Speaker 1: and Lewis Dion Lewis has potential week when starters would
Speaker 1: be making fun of them and talking about what you know,
Speaker 1: disaster this is, and yet Patriots like it'll be fine,
Speaker 1: leaguered out with Jimmy will have Tom Brady for sixteen games,
Speaker 1: got a screen. Let's just count on la Garrett Blunt
Speaker 1: when he gets back from his knee surgery and his suspension,
Speaker 1: he'll be fine. Jonas Gig, He's a reliable guy. Blunt.
Speaker 1: That's a good in though. I mean, give me a break, Jonah.
Speaker 1: I was sleeping on Jonah Square a little bit. It's
Speaker 1: not like I ever did anything to uh not earn
Speaker 1: any more benefit of doubt after two yard four touchdown
Speaker 1: game and just stopp getting played. Yeah, I mean, he
Speaker 1: could be he could be a guy. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of injuries affecting these running back the Falcons running backs,
Speaker 1: and either one of them are healthy right now. Darren
Speaker 1: McFadden hasn't been able to play for the Cowboys. We're
Speaker 1: just getting going. We got four more weeks? Exciting? Is
Speaker 1: this football is really back? You know, you go through
Speaker 1: the off season, you're trying to come up with things
Speaker 1: to talk about that is no longer the case. J
Speaker 1: jabber jabber. Okay, this podcast has sounded much like that, Lizzie,
Speaker 1: are you regretting? Get your decision? If you at what
Speaker 1: point in the show we're about the forty four minute mark,
Speaker 1: did you start regretting coming in? Ah? You know, how
Speaker 1: about when you were doing again you were seeing Sarah
Speaker 1: McLaughlin before the show. We get a little bit that. No,
Speaker 1: Actually I wanted to queue it up for when we
Speaker 1: were talking about West the Stable Boys losing its greatest tenant,
Speaker 1: and then you would drop a little acapella. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna throw it to you. Here you go. What song
Speaker 1: was it again that we're doing? I will remember you? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: just pretend we'd like, are you going to talk over?
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm laying the music bed. Oh I thought
Speaker 1: it was a lovely render. Pretend the screen is showing
Speaker 1: a bunch of adopted dogs, very sickly. All right, here
Speaker 1: we go acapella. I feel like you need to continue
Speaker 1: talking about something behind you. I meant always appreciated, and
Speaker 1: he's not leaving life. He's still going to be around.
Speaker 1: It's just not well. I think it's better to go
Speaker 1: out on top than to regret there. You stay too long.
Speaker 1: You don't care about that. That was really good. I
Speaker 1: liked how you guys acted it out to You have
Speaker 1: looked like this is a very serious conversation. Anone's going
Speaker 1: to drop some serious knowledge. I had nothing. I feel
Speaker 1: like you guys had more pressure on you in that
Speaker 1: little than I did. Pressure a fake conversation. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's background actor. That was good, Linda, because
Speaker 1: like banana rudebag or something like that, so that it
Speaker 1: looks like this isn't a shot at Dan, but you
Speaker 1: definitely have the best singing group of singing voice or
Speaker 1: a singing voice. Yeah, you're lying, but Dan does not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was no offense. Dan, I will remember you, You
Speaker 1: remember me. Don't let you past got the lyrics, don't
Speaker 1: let your past at that. Dylan's like, Saray, do you
Speaker 1: want to take another pass at that lyric? No, I
Speaker 1: don't let your pass pass your by. That's what I want.
Speaker 1: Get those dogs on the screen. All right, here we go,
Speaker 1: Let's get Mark Cesler speaking of dogs and the Dog Pound,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler are are great around the NFL writer. He
Speaker 1: was a Canton this weekend. Now he is at an
Speaker 1: Indian burial ground known as Brown's Camp. Where he is, Uh?
Speaker 1: Where are we are at the the Indian burial ground
Speaker 1: known as Brown's Camp. Fellas, it's Mark there, I am
Speaker 1: you know TD put me? Oh, there you go, that's
Speaker 1: what you're waiting Quart. Sorry, I sense that we were
Speaker 1: waiting for something. I was, but I didn't know what.
Speaker 1: You put me on the line about five minutes ago
Speaker 1: and the train is completely off. Um. I hope that
Speaker 1: is not a reference to my singing, because that was
Speaker 1: good stuff. That was That was high shelf Dan. Actually,
Speaker 1: I can vouch for Dan that if you get a
Speaker 1: few uh gray hounds and Dan he can sing. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I think you got to put him in the right fire.
Speaker 1: I've had some moments in karaoke where I've got confidence
Speaker 1: a very talented group. Well, as we established much earlier
Speaker 1: in the podcast, I'm not invited to those types of gatherings.
Speaker 1: So I yet I couldn't say not yet. You're on
Speaker 1: approbation Park, So you were in Canton this weekend? Why
Speaker 1: don't we start there and then we'll get to what's
Speaker 1: going on at Brown's camp. Um, we'll start and can
Speaker 1: so tell us a little bit about the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame experience. I know you've been there before, but this
Speaker 1: is now your second go around. Tell us about it,
Speaker 1: you know. I this time around, I found it to
Speaker 1: be much more enjoyable. And I'm not sure what it was.
Speaker 1: I just think that, uh, it's a weekend where there's
Speaker 1: a lot of football players around and they're not currently
Speaker 1: athletes where they're trying to keep a lid on whatever
Speaker 1: is going on with them and their team. They're very
Speaker 1: willing to talk and I mean, you know, for lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, it's sort of just a big celebration.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was just the access to these
Speaker 1: guys was great, and the ceremony itself, but the thought that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it was one of the better ones, and
Speaker 1: it was it was fun to cover. I thought that
Speaker 1: what Sydney say I did did a great job. I thought,
Speaker 1: I mean, under a lot of pressure and each of them,
Speaker 1: you know, we got a chance to speak to each
Speaker 1: of the Hall of Famers the day before they were inducted,
Speaker 1: and I know that you guys think that I love
Speaker 1: like a offensive and defensive coordinators. My new thing is
Speaker 1: GMS Bill Poling and Ron Wolfe. You could just sit
Speaker 1: and talk to those guys for days on end. They
Speaker 1: were giving us just great stuff about Bill Parcels passing
Speaker 1: on Reggie White out of the USFL back in the day.
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys, you know, they just want to
Speaker 1: sit and talk about the old time. So I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Charles Haley. Did he leave an
Speaker 1: impression the day before? Yeah, I mean I think Haley,
Speaker 1: every time he opened his mouth, it's going to be
Speaker 1: something that you pretty much didn't expect and probably doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with the question that you asked.
Speaker 1: So it was that wasn't that was enjoyable. I think he's,
Speaker 1: you know, he's not the guy he was necessarily back
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys and forty Niners locker room. I mean
Speaker 1: he kind of went I think he came to Canton
Speaker 1: trying to put that forward and express that, um, he
Speaker 1: was by far the most entertaining, unpredictable of the group,
Speaker 1: and I don't think the speech the speech showed that
Speaker 1: a little bit, but kind of the day before just
Speaker 1: being in the same room with him, and the way
Speaker 1: he was interacting with some of the old cowboys be writers.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was completely off the cuff. I thought.
Speaker 1: One of the most powerful moments, and I agree the
Speaker 1: ceremony was really good this year was when Charles Haley
Speaker 1: talked about his mental illness, Like he he talked about
Speaker 1: something that's an issue that's that affects a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and he talked about it very openly, I think in
Speaker 1: a way that people had no idea from him, and
Speaker 1: it kind of explains a little bit what you heard
Speaker 1: about Charles Haley and when he was on NFL network.
Speaker 1: I mean I found him fascinating. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun to watch. Yeah, I agree, and I think
Speaker 1: that it you know, something that you kind of never
Speaker 1: know when these guys are playing, is the support they're
Speaker 1: getting at some point from like their owners. The way
Speaker 1: he talked about Eddie de Bartelow and Jerry Jones and
Speaker 1: how Jerry Jones went out of his way to help
Speaker 1: his daughter when she had leukemia. I mean, you just
Speaker 1: you know, we have these vague ideas of what Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones is and some of it's accurate, some of it's
Speaker 1: not in a de bartelow. You know all the history
Speaker 1: with the legal stuff, but behind the scenes, like I
Speaker 1: think Charles Haley looked at those guys almost as father figures.
Speaker 1: That's the way he spoke about them. So tell us
Speaker 1: about Brown's camp. It, Well, I am currently not there.
Speaker 1: I'm at an airport hotel where there's someone in the
Speaker 1: hallway vacuums, very loud, very concerning. But UM camp was great.
Speaker 1: I almost did not get there because there was a
Speaker 1: massive car accident on the highway and I tried to
Speaker 1: use Google Maps to get there and it rerouted me
Speaker 1: to like central Kentucky, so I just made it, and uh,
Speaker 1: it was cool. I thought it was. You know, I
Speaker 1: haven't obviously knocked into a lot of practices, so it
Speaker 1: was a little surreal. Um got a chance to talk
Speaker 1: with Mike Patton, and I noticed because you were doing
Speaker 1: in your live tweets at at one point Danny Shelton's calves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like Danny Kelton is absolutely massive, and at one
Speaker 1: point you referred to Petton as pet. Well, listen, that's
Speaker 1: where I'm at with Pennon at this point. That's that's
Speaker 1: what's going on, you know, I sat down with him,
Speaker 1: I said what I I. We got to the point
Speaker 1: I asked him what kind of he's at a bar?
Speaker 1: What does he drink? He's a Moscow mule drinker. Oh, interesting,
Speaker 1: I made. I made something for my wife over They
Speaker 1: carry trendy well, he said, he ticked it up about
Speaker 1: six months ago. He's normally Budweiser, Miller and he's also Dan.
Speaker 1: You and I read a Stephen King book. He read
Speaker 1: it twice. He's obsessed with the g He's obsessed with
Speaker 1: the jfk Assess name one thing about Patton just I
Speaker 1: don't want to stop him. Mark. But in the words
Speaker 1: of the Rick Flair Macho Manfeud and ninety two about
Speaker 1: Miss Elizabeth, he was mine before he was yours. Well,
Speaker 1: he's mine now fighting over Yeah. I love that, and
Speaker 1: too think it's a rare move to go from Miller,
Speaker 1: Lite and Budweiser to Moscow mules. Yeah. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: little cosmo folitan in Cleveland now. I think his salary
Speaker 1: probably went up at some point. That's a fair point.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like Jerome Bettis was taking a personal
Speaker 1: shot at Browns fans and most particularly you, when he
Speaker 1: kept saying Ohio is Steelers country. And then the Steelers
Speaker 1: fans who were there, and we're there in bigger numbers
Speaker 1: than I've ever seen any teams fans be there at
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame responded and basically we're taunting you. Uh,
Speaker 1: it did feel that way. I tried to remove myself
Speaker 1: from the situation to some degree, but you know, we're
Speaker 1: up in that press box and it's at number one.
Speaker 1: It's a high school stadium like I've never seen in
Speaker 1: my life. I mean basically it's it is three times
Speaker 1: as big as the high school stadium I went to,
Speaker 1: and it was terrible. Towels swinging in the air, and
Speaker 1: for me on some level was a massive nightmare. Jr.
Speaker 1: Own bed it's how can you not like Bet? It's
Speaker 1: like mean he I thought he was a total class
Speaker 1: act and like they all came out for him, and
Speaker 1: that fan base. You could put it. You could have
Speaker 1: put this in Central Russia and they would have shown up.
Speaker 1: That's what they do. One thought on the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame ceremony, if listeners out there, if if like me,
Speaker 1: you missed the ceremony, Mark did fantastic job. It's really
Speaker 1: well written and he captured really all of the poignant
Speaker 1: moments in his article recapping the entire insrinement ceremony. So
Speaker 1: definitely check it out. Can we back up really quickly?
Speaker 1: You missed the ceremony too. Oh whoa, you have to
Speaker 1: watch the Bridge Jones Diary sequel. I was at Dan's party. Well,
Speaker 1: you throw all party during the Hall of Fame, you'll
Speaker 1: be invited next year. Lindsay went over this. I'm not
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame dude. I don't know. It's not my bag,
Speaker 1: but I mean I Mark makes it come alive for
Speaker 1: me here with the Mark did a great job of it.
Speaker 1: West is really not gonna like the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: when Eli goes in and about nine years puts him
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. West, I think you would
Speaker 1: like to cover it though, because there are some like hot,
Speaker 1: like total hot, radioactive, hot button deadlines. Deal with that.
Speaker 1: Mark will talk about women. No, No, I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: down that road. There was this lady in a bettest
Speaker 1: Jersey speaking uh Sessler did Instagram and Facebook a picture
Speaker 1: of cheerleaders from behind and the caption was Football's back. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta be honest, that's one of those
Speaker 1: things where you're moving a hundred miles of a minute.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a nice photo, and immediately after
Speaker 1: the first couple of responses came in, I thought, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I wrote the wrong tagline here. Oh I thought there
Speaker 1: was a nod to the s I swimsuit cover with
Speaker 1: Christie Brinkley. It says, no, I don't. I'm not nodding.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not that wouldn't be my my a
Speaker 1: game to be coming off the Hall of Fame weekend
Speaker 1: trying to make light of at it just sort of
Speaker 1: had it happened, and I thought afterwards this could be problematic,
Speaker 1: But like everything, it just fades into the ether that
Speaker 1: I wanted to comment on that thread and say, smartass,
Speaker 1: well what I like the most that I put it
Speaker 1: on my Facebook page, and our producer t D tried
Speaker 1: to create some sort of rift, you know, I have
Speaker 1: like my family, my parents, parents in law. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I don't have a FI. I'm not going down that road.
Speaker 1: But TD trying to raise, you know, get the controversy
Speaker 1: started with his comment on that photo. Did not appreciate
Speaker 1: that one bit. It was just an interesting shop and
Speaker 1: it's all an interesting angle. I was, you know, just
Speaker 1: wondering that's what I took away from Hey man t D.
Speaker 1: You know, never to go against a mother. Your own
Speaker 1: mother would say, not like that, but maybe. Yeah, hey Mark,
Speaker 1: next time you need GPS helped, try out Ways much
Speaker 1: better than Ways is superior. Yeah, and that's a free plug.
Speaker 1: Pay us next time. Ways. Um, All right, Mark, we
Speaker 1: gotta let you go, but thank you very much for
Speaker 1: calling in. And you know, I have a safe journey home.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll Usually you bump into a offensive coordinator in
Speaker 1: the airport and you have long conversations and trade text
Speaker 1: messages in the future. Hopefully it happens again. I hope
Speaker 1: so too. And guys, I miss you all. I'll see
Speaker 1: you soon, miss too many. Hi, go help with the vacuuming.
Speaker 1: Well he did leave Bury now that I think about it,
Speaker 1: So you want to be hearing this anymore. But maybe
Speaker 1: the ghost flattering picture of the hotel he was staying
Speaker 1: that could be as well. All Yeah, we gotta go
Speaker 1: to some HR training for Dan's imitation of TDS. I
Speaker 1: that is I've heard mother speak. I've heard TD's mother speak.
Speaker 1: That's the best I can do. The impression that that's
Speaker 1: it for uh. Today's version of addition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. Lindsey, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: in than Yeah, it's always it's always a pleasure to
Speaker 1: have Lindsay on. We'll be back. We have two more
Speaker 1: shows this week to get to and then of course
Speaker 1: next week I'll tease it again Fantasy Week Spectacular for
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. Also follow us uh subscribe
Speaker 1: on iTunes and leave comments all that good stuff. This
Speaker 1: is Dan hans Has signing off for Fiery Flannel, Were
Speaker 1: and Lindsay Rhodes, the Mailman, the Boss TV and all
Speaker 1: our friends behind the glass. But twesdaye Benz is the best.
Speaker 1: She works with us and she comes in just for
Speaker 1: the show. We appreciate her. This is my favorite song.