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Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Driving the Great Episode three thirty four.

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Speaker 1: We are back on our regular schedule, and now is

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Speaker 1: also when I would remind you all if you could

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Speaker 1: it also helps you guys out, because this time of year,

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Speaker 1: be awesome. Also, next week taking the show on the

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Speaker 1: road kind of we're gonna do a show from Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have any of those specifics locked in yet,

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Speaker 1: from the World Series of Poker in Las Vegas, doing

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Speaker 1: the show from there. Demands, how are.

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Speaker 2: You pretty good? Pops? You doing good to see you.

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Speaker 1: I'm good to see you as well. I realized when

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Speaker 1: I saw Demons, I was like, oh boy, I've not

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Speaker 1: actually spoken to Demonse since we signed off the pod

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Speaker 1: last Wednesday. Not the best parenting job by me there

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Speaker 1: probably should check in see how you're doing. But we

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Speaker 1: have had I was in Indy, which we'll get into.

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Speaker 1: Both of your aunts are in town and staying with us.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on over here, a lot

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Speaker 1: going on in the sports world. And we know who's

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Speaker 1: gonna win the NBA Championship. So all that is coming

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Speaker 1: up on the show. Here's what missed the cut. Denver

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Speaker 1: officially promotes Dave Adalman to the head coach position. Tim

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Speaker 1: Shallomey sitting, that's a real fan going courtside to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: I love that from him. And Alex Polow, my guy

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Speaker 1: wins the Indy five hundred. He's also a Chiefs guy.

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Speaker 1: He's also you know, the racer of this generation. And

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you the audience knows we brought in,

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Speaker 1: you know, my goddaughter ci r Fidel to the f

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Speaker 1: one minute. I am not historically a motorsports guy. I

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Speaker 1: don't pretend to be a motorsports expert. I do, however,

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Speaker 1: and this isn't pretending. Know that if you give me

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Speaker 1: an assignment with enough lead time, I can learn pretty

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Speaker 1: damn fast. And once we found out we were going

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Speaker 1: to Indy. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be interviewing people. We're gonna, you know, probably have Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: this person wants to come on. So I got to

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Speaker 1: be prepared. So I went back to my roots of

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Speaker 1: when I was having to do postgame call in shows

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Speaker 1: for lacrosse. In college, we did postgame call in shows

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Speaker 1: for lacrosse for games that were road games that were

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Speaker 1: only on the radio, so you couldn't watch it, and

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Speaker 1: theoretically I didn't know the sport, and then I had

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Speaker 1: And so I learned lacrosse, and so I kind of

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Speaker 1: tried to flex that muscle again to learn IndyCar and

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Speaker 1: now I mean, I'm basically an adopted member of the

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Speaker 1: Andretti family. More on that later in the show, but

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, Demons, let's get to the game last night,

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Speaker 1: which was one of the best games of the playoffs

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Speaker 1: and might have been the unofficial end of the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Minnesota had bounced back in Game three and

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Speaker 3: Okase responded with a win. Jada was cooking and looked

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Speaker 3: pretty tired out there. Yeah, so the Thunder took took

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Speaker 3: care of business. They're now of three to one. Like

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Speaker 3: you said before, do they now seem inevitable to win

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Speaker 2: Or this series?

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Speaker 1: I guess at the very least no, No to both.

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Speaker 1: They listen and this isn't like a take that the

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Speaker 1: moment the Lakers got eliminated, I said, I think Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: that was wrong, maybe nobody could beat them. But I

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Speaker 1: now now as we sit here today, and this is

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Speaker 1: It was such a weird game yesterday because there are

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Speaker 1: first one for the Thunder they're big three combined for

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Speaker 1: Their big three combine for ninety five points. Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota's bench, pardon me, is going to go twelve of

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Speaker 1: eighteen from three and combine for an incomprehensible sixty four points.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get sixty four points off the bench. You

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Speaker 1: would say, okay, well that's going too clearly be maybe

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Speaker 1: Those two factors came together, the thunder Stars playing awesome,

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Speaker 1: classic game. I know that, like we've had so many

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Speaker 1: great games these playoffs that a game that one team

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Speaker 1: feel like that should qualify as a classic. But the

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Speaker 1: over and this season is over, and that's with respect

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Speaker 1: to the Pacers and the Knicks who will get to later,

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Speaker 1: is OKC has now been on the ropes and has

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Speaker 1: now responded in such a way that I think this

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Speaker 1: to take, Like, all right, you make the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: a deep run like the Celtics did to the finals

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Speaker 1: facing a Game seven against the best player in the

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Speaker 1: next series by getting blown out like embarrassed. For the

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Speaker 1: first time all year. They had only had one twenty

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Speaker 1: point loss all season. It was to the Lakers. In

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Speaker 1: the regular season. They lose by forty it's their first

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Speaker 1: And then the very.

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Speaker 3: Agree they took their foot off the gas there in

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Speaker 3: game three, though, right think that was like that was

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Speaker 3: chalked up like if that was a situation high leverage

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, totally agree.

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Speaker 1: Okay, no, one hundred percent agree. But my point is,

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Speaker 1: not only did they lose that game, they get blown

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Speaker 1: Timberwolves don't have to play you know they're and because

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Speaker 1: they're not as deep of a team in theory, they

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Speaker 1: don't have to play Aunt and Julius huge minutes. So

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Speaker 1: they should be able to come into Game four fresh

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Speaker 1: and feeling like, you know what we about to make

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Speaker 1: this a series and all the Timberwolves others played out

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Speaker 1: of their mind and the OKC Big three Flatley said, Nah,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Shay, who will get more into later,

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Speaker 1: was absolutely brilliant. Shae was brilliant, And I obviously have

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Speaker 1: been vocal about the flopping and the Jabbroni stuff of

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Speaker 1: two thoughts in your head at the same time. One

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Speaker 1: any of that stuff, he's a superstar. And last night

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Speaker 1: it was both. He was getting to the line. There

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Speaker 1: hasn't been as much flopping about by him since Game one,

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Speaker 1: as it's been all year, and he just played an

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Speaker 1: outstanding A plus MVP level game. And then Jalen Williams

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Speaker 1: He was awesome. And so.

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Speaker 2: I just you were nervous about Chet coming into this series.

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Speaker 1: Too, absolutely, And I thought that the Julius piece of

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Speaker 1: which he did. And then he was the only guy

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, this he is just rewriting this

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Speaker 1: playoff narrative. And then in game two, in game four,

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Speaker 1: even though I picked Oklahoma City to win the series.

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Speaker 1: That's not what happened to her at all. And while

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Speaker 1: I think we are, you know, I gave Danny a

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Speaker 1: Danny Parkins. Either last night or this morning, I don't remember,

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Speaker 1: but Danny tweeted, if I can get my phone to work,

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Speaker 1: This sucks? Twitter? Can I just say something Twitter sucks?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. I can't even find my own tweets. Danny

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Speaker 1: here's what he wrote. I found it. I feel sorry

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Speaker 1: for all the self professed NBA fans who say they

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Speaker 1: hate SGA's game. The next ten years or so of

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Speaker 1: hoops is gonna be pretty miserable for them. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: be in a lot of big games. And so I

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Speaker 1: replied to him, giving SGA the next ten years feel strong. Listen,

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Speaker 1: windows are never open as long as people think they

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Speaker 1: are going to be in the moment, and every team

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Speaker 1: that wins the championship, in the moment that they're winning

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Speaker 1: winning championships, I guess. And obviously right now it feels

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Speaker 1: that way with OKC. But it felt that way with

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Speaker 1: Denver twenty four months ago, And it felt that way

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Speaker 1: with Milwaukee forty eight months ago, and it felt that

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Speaker 1: reel off a bunch was the Warriors, because they had

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Speaker 1: mark rather than what it felt like was a beginning. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Toronto obviously, but that was if Quiet stayed. No, but

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Speaker 1: going to keep winning. And so I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 1: ready to talk down the road for OKAC because that

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Speaker 1: the luxury tax. And I'm not sure. However, I know

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Speaker 1: you can't do that the whole game. But you already

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Speaker 1: can't do haka inside the last two minutes. So we

432
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: already have made specific rules based on timing. You can't

433
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: do haka inside the last two minutes. So it's that simple.

434
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: And so those are these. Then we get to the

435
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: fouling up three. Oh my goodness, what are we gonna

436
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: do about this fouling up three? It's terrible for the league. Agreed,

437
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: it's terrible for the viewer. Agreed. How do you fix it?

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: It's the simplest fucking thing ever. If you commit a

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00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: foul with the shot clock turned off, meaning the final

441
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: twenty four seconds outside of the three point line, it's

442
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: a three shot foul, whether the guy is shooting or not. Yeah,

443
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: it's that simple. And then that's done. It's guys, it

444
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: is It is intuitive simple rule changes. Rule one is

445
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: just a fun one to penalize the whiners. The twirl

446
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: is binding, and you're gonna your team's gonna be out

447
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: of challenges within ninety seconds, your coach gonna be super pissed,

448
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: and you might then early in the season when you're

449
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: not used to it, also rack up technical fouls because

450
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: you've done the twirls so many times and your team

451
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: is out of timeouts, and that's now a technical fine.

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00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: That'll fix itself.

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Speaker 2: Rule two.

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Speaker 1: In the instance of hacker Mitch Robinson coming into play

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Speaker 1: the Knicks or any team subject to the hacka thing

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00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: can say, we would prefer to have the ball side

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00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: out of bounds rather than get free throws. That's all

458
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: the foul counts, it goes all of it, but we

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Speaker 1: would prefer to have the ball side out of bounds

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Speaker 1: if we can decline the free throws. If you hack,

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00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: if you foul us in outside of the last two

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00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: minutes and the last one to end the scourge of

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00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: fouling up three. If the shot clock is turned off

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00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: and you commit a foul outside of the three point line,

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00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: it is not a two shot foul. It is a

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Speaker 1: three shot foul. That's all very simple.

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Speaker 2: The first one I go on board with.

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Speaker 1: But the other, yeah, the take of the year. You

469
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Speaker 1: like when guys do.

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Speaker 3: This, I don't like it. I just like, I understand

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Speaker 3: how much they're going to be doing that. And I

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00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: know you're saying, I know you're saying, have some discipline,

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Speaker 3: don't do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a it's as annoying as you

476
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Speaker 3: think it is when they will make it.

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Speaker 1: Just like I would like to. It's it's it's that

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00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: it's annoying, but it's also that it is it's a

479
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: too much boy who cried wolf. It's they know that.

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00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: It's almost like they feel like they have to. Like yesterday,

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00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: you saw it on Alexander. I mean he slaps him

482
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: on the never a Doubt tattoo and he's like, no, yeah,

483
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean so, uh, But do you like my how

484
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Speaker 1: to get rid of foul?

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Speaker 3: I'm totally on board with those other two ones. The

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Speaker 3: three three free throws outside of the three point line

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Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense.

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00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and again it's the you can't just say

489
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: any foul gets you three free throws because you don't

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Speaker 1: want all of a sudden, you know, teams down too

491
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: and driving to the basket and then they you know they, uh,

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00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: you don't want that, but it is it's an easy fix.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: You know now that we have a friend of the show,

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00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: I know she's retired, but friend of the show Michelle Roberts,

496
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: former president of the NBA Player Association, who I see

497
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: almost every day because she lives on our block and

498
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: I hang out out side. Now that the weather's nice,

499
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask.

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Speaker 2: Her to pitch it, Adam or something.

501
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, something, or let me pitch it. I'm over. Like

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00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: I would have thought I would wanted to pitch get

503
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: me an NBA awards vote, But that ship has sailed.

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00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm never getting an awards vote.

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00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you create a rule for the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Rule, what a legacy, What a legacy this would be

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00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: if people are like in thirty years people, if you

509
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: see an amazing finish to a game. We see an

510
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: amazing finish of the game. People are like, you know,

511
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: we used to not get those game tying threes because

512
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: guys would foul. Really, Papa, what changed that? Well is

513
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: this guy named Nick Wright, he did a podcast with

514
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: his son explained it. Yeah, yeah, I think that'd be exciting.

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00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk more Shane.

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00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Uh so, yeah, you've you've been pretty vocal on SGA's

518
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 3: foul baiting. He saw how worked out the other day

519
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: when he got to the line four times. And also

520
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 3: Ant has this problem with fatigue late in the late

521
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: in the year. Who do you think who do you

522
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: think's problem is bigger? As far as trying to be

523
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: the face of the league type of guy.

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00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: Well, listen, Shay's thing isn't a flaw. It's just irritating. Yeah,

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00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: and it's listen it. People can debate about the skill

526
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: it takes and the I'm not gonna Shay the player,

527
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the manipulating the reps it is.

528
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: And I was I'll be honest, I was shocked by

529
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: the number of people who pushed back on some of

530
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: the Shay stuff like it was and there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of you say this and you're a fan of

532
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: and then they either said Luca Lebron or Mahomes. So

533
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: let me address each of those if I may. Luca

534
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: does not flop. Luca complaints. There is a distinction. Luca

535
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: finishes through contact. Luca is not flailing. Luca is whining

536
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: at all times. Now you can find that irritating, and

537
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: I totally understand that. I find it somewhat irritating.

538
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: But he is here with SGA.

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00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: He also doesn't really complain to the refs, I think

540
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: because he gets froding advice to his house for Thanksgiving.

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00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: But but no, I mean, Luca is just yelling at

542
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: the refs the entire game. When he gets a call,

543
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: he's angry he didn't get it faster when he doesn't

544
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: get a call. So that that is that, you know,

545
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: that to me, is uh a crazy comp to be on.

546
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: Like they're just very Now you can say that's more irritating,

547
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: you hate that more, that's fine, like that's a matter

548
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: of preference. But Luca is never, never strong but close

549
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: to never trying to manipulate the officials. He's just trying

550
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: to mother f the officials. So that's the first one.

551
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: Lebron gets less calls per drive to the basket, and

552
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: almost any player in modern NBA history, certainly older Lebron

553
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: and Lebron I know that over the course of a

554
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: twenty two year career. Whenever you see these Lebron flopping compilations,

555
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: what you will see almost all the videos have in

556
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: common is he got hit. People just think he is

557
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: not supposed to be as hurt as he appears to be.

558
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: So what Lebron will do is sell how hurt he

559
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: is or the violence or velocity of the impact. But

560
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: he is. Lebron is not like driving to the basket

561
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: and then just falling or hooking your arm to try

562
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: to get the call. Again, you can say I hate

563
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: that one more, but those are different. Then there's Mahomes,

564
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: which again the football basketball comps I never like at all,

565
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: but we can get into that if you'd like. Of

566
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks in the league, the idea that there

567
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: is any evidence whatsoever that Patrick Mahomes is more protected

568
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: or does more flopping when Josh Allen exists is just

569
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: one of the wildest things that I've ever heard anyone

570
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: put voice to. And while here would be my response

571
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: to the Mahomes SGA thing, because the Mahomes thing really

572
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: hit a fevered pitch in the Texans playoff game. If

573
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: Mahomes did what he did in the Texans playoff game

574
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: every single game all year long, then you would have

575
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: the SGA comp for it. It was jarring because it

576
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: was so obvious what on two of those plays. Again again,

577
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: it was two total plays he was doing. But that

578
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: was one game in the guy's career versus SGA. It's

579
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: made up an art form out of it. So the

580
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: now to answer your question, though, demonte uh And is

581
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: not going to be eligible for Face of the You

582
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: can't be eligible. You're not gonna be Face the League

583
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: until you're winning MVPs and or championships. And he's done neither.

584
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: His game theoretically and personality is more attractive to fans

585
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: and Face the League stuff, but he's got to be

586
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: playing big games late late late in years SGA. I

587
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: I think the I think the foul stuff is a

588
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: wave that has crested. I think he and the refs

589
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: reacted to the criticism of Game one and he stopped

590
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: getting quite. He said, listen, he's look goting to line

591
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: a ton but most of those are warranted. He's since

592
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: fall over. Correct. It's just the it. It's really just

593
00:40:53,680 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: two things we're talking about. One is falling over on purpose. Yeah,

594
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: that's wait right, And the other one is the hook

595
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: the like that, which is just a first cousin of

596
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: Durant's ripped through. Like Durant got so good at the

597
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: ri you'd put your hand down and Durant would rip

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00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: through it and go up that they changed the rule

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00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: to where that's a non shooting foul, hardened than evolved

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00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: it to you put your arm there, I will then

601
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: hook you and then go up and it will be

602
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: a shooting foul. And Shade does that brilliantly. So maybe

603
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: that is a rule tweak that I can't figure out. Again,

604
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: I gave you three great rule changes and make the

605
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: NBA twice as good. I can't give you four. But uh,

606
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: but the it's really just the falling over. Like the

607
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: falling over is just so unbecoming and nobody likes it.

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00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 1: I know you have one follow up.

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00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: Here to Yeah, so you're you're heavily against his fallibating

610
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: and you say it's been all year, but he is

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Speaker 3: your MVP guy.

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00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think again, So I think that maybe

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Speaker 1: surprises people. They're like that I said, he was clearly

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00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: the MVP. He was clearly the MVP. He was the

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00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: scoring champ, good, not great, but good defensively, unbelievable offensively

616
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: for a sixty eight win team.

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Speaker 4: He was.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I hate the toush push. I don't come on

619
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,840
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620
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: Like I might not like some of the stylistically, some

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Speaker 1: of the way Shaye plays, but he was the MVP

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Speaker 1: of the league this year, and I would have voted

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624
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: odd to me that people are surprised that I can

625
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: hold both those thoughts in my head at the same time.

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Speaker 1: co slash b ball. All right, demonse, let's go to

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 3: All right, So we know that New York, I mean,

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00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: Indy stole the first two in New York and then

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00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: Game three, New York bounce back coming back from that

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Speaker 3: twenty point win or twenty point deficit.

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Speaker 2: It seems like something to do often. Now, will one

666
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: team pull away? Is anybody gonna no? Listen?

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Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be a seven game series.

668
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: But in order for that to happen, the Knicks need

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Speaker 1: to win tonight, and I think they are gonna win tonight.

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00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: Brew and I disagreed on this yesterday, but I I

671
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: saw there there were some things that happen in Game

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00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: three of that series that to me were at least

673
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: somewhat worrisome for the Pacers, which is it felt like

674
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: Carlisle was forced to start reaching a bit. Now you

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00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: might say shit, Thibodeau definitely was with Delon Right Landry

676
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: Shammitt playing minutes got it And this was the point

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00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: I was trying to make on TV that I did

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00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: a poor job of. But I'll try again here. The

679
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: Knicks are used to playing seven guys and getting contributions

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00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: from seven guys, so them all of a sudden potentially

681
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: getting contributions from Guy eight and Shamit or Guy nine

682
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: and Delon Wright is almost just like a bonus. The Pacers,

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00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: on the other hand, are reliant on had been reliant

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00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: on Ben Matherin being good for them. I mean, this

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00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: guy was sixteen a game each of the last three years,

686
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: sixteen a game this year, and Carlisle seems to soured

687
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: on him in this series. Obi Toppin, who has been

688
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: really valuable to them in the since he's come over

689
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: there as like an energy guy and still getting you

690
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: ten to eleven points, he has been somewhat ineffective this series.

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00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: That then leads to them all of a sudden being

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00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: like Tony Bradley, are you gonna give us some real minutes,

693
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: Ben Shephard, are you gonna give us some real minutes?

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00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: And it feels a little more grasping. You then add

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00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: to the fact that the Knicks were able to execute

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00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: that comeback to Monday with Jalen Brunton playing really poorly

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00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: until the final two minutes of that game, and Karl

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00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: Anthony Towns obviously was unbelievable in the fourth quarter. He

699
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: had four points going into the fourth quarter. So for

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00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: all those reasons, I just think the Knicks go into

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00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: tonight's game far better position. And I think that this

702
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: series was you can't be tied through three games, but

703
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: if you could be, this one would be like the

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00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: Knicks in historic fashion Blue Game one, the Pacers in

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00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: much more gradual fashion Blue Game three, Game two. What

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00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: was that a one point? Was it a one point

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00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: or three point game? With fifteen seconds left? Like that?

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00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull it up because I said that. That's

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00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: another thing I said on TV. YESA I was like,

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Speaker 1: did I get that wrong too? No, I'm right. It's

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00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: it's one ten, one oh nine with fifteen seconds left

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00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: and the Knicks damn near steal the ball at mid

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00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: court and just don't get it, and you know, the

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00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Pacers end up Jalen misses the three at the end

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00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: and the Pacers win. So this is a dead even

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00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: series that I think, And this is one more thing

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Speaker 1: that then I'll get your take on it, Demonte. I

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00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: think that as devastating as Game one was for the Knicks,

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00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: losing it in that fashion, game three is a different

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00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: type of devastating for the Pacers because they are up

721
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: ten going into the fourth quarter to go to the finals.

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00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: Because you go up three to zero, the series is over.

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00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: The Pacers had this series one if they play one

724
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: solid quarter of basketball, and they couldn't. So I wonder

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00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: what type of impact that has on them emotionally. Similar

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Speaker 1: to what we saw from the Knicks early in Game

727
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: two when they didn't seem to be there emotionally after

728
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Speaker 1: blowing Game one the way they did. I know you

729
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: wanted to say something.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, yeah, I got I got the Pacers at

731
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Speaker 2: six here.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any way they can feel like

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Speaker 3: deflated or negatively. I know they might have had the

734
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: game in the reach and got to close out there,

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Speaker 3: but they just took two in New York. I think

736
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: they're gonna win today, and and I just like the

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00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 3: Pacers more than the Knicks.

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Speaker 2: It's no bad blood.

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00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: Obviously, it'd be better for the Knicks to win the finals.

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00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 3: Are go farther because it'd make more sense. The Celtics

741
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: got knocked out, But the Pacers have a more consistent team.

742
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: I like the Pacers more than the Knicks.

743
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: And uh, well, so listen the Pacers. What is true

744
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: about the Pacers this playoffs is they are zero to

745
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: three in game threes and ten and oher in every

746
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: other game. So the argument for them is they've gone

747
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: up too oh in every series and then lost you know,

748
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: game threes in every series. That the Knicks argument is

749
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: for tonight. They have been much better on the road

750
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: than at home this postseason. They are They were three

751
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: and oh on the road against Detroit, they were two

752
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: and one on the road against both and now one

753
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: and oh against Indiana. So they are six and one

754
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: on the road are the Knicks this postseason? And then

755
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: one and two Sorry I'm doing this on the fly,

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00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 1: one in two, two and one, So three and three,

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00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: three and five at home, six and one on the road,

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00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: three and five at home, which is really weird, but

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Speaker 1: it is what it is.

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Speaker 4: I also, I I this is gonna sound funny because

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00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 4: of what game two was or Game one was.

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Speaker 1: Pardon me, but I like how the Knicks have held

763
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: Halliburton in check since game one. Game one, Halliburton was

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00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: unbelievable and executed, you know, one of the greatest comebacks

765
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: in playoff history. Game two he had I think two

766
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: points at halftime and finished with fourteen. Game three he

767
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: had twenty and seven assists. Like, I think they have

768
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 1: to feel decent about what they've been able to do

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00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: against Halliburton. And so now this is maybe just priors

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Speaker 1: because I thought going into the series the Knicks were better,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that they were gonna win this series

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00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: in seven games, and I still think that. I just

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00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: don't know. Is that what you said.

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00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 2: Seven games before? I remember the way you were talking

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00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 2: about the Knicks. Go. It's not like you thought they

776
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: were gonna whirl through the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: Oh I didn't. Maybe I didn't give a games pace.

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Speaker 3: Ye I don't think you gave any four HS games

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Speaker 3: yea seven the just did sond very convinced that the

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Speaker 3: Knicks We're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I once they beat the Celtics,

782
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: I just kind of felt like this was the nixt

783
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: moment and if they can just you know, execute a

784
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: couple plays. At the end of Game one, we're feeling

785
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: very differently, but they listen. That's the playoffs, that's how

786
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: it works. I think they win tonight. If they lose tonight,

787
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: I think they're cooked. But I think they win tonight. Uh,

788
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: pardon me, all right, let's go to Halliburton.

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00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 3: At the very beginning of the playoffs. You know, the

790
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: poll came out of Halliburton say he was the most

791
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: overrated player.

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00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: In the NBA.

793
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: And now fans, I think fans and the folks are

794
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 3: starting to swing very far in the other direction.

795
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: What do you think of proper rating for Tyres? Haliburton

796
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: is right now.

797
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: Listen. Club Superstar opens tomorrow on the TV show Back

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00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: to Back Conference Final. Clearly the best player on the team, clearly,

799
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Speaker 1: incredibly Clutch is kind of an old school pass first

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Speaker 1: point guard. I he's clearly Demonse one of the fifteen

801
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: best players in the league, and he has an argument

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00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: that he's in that top twelve. I think that's I

803
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: think that like, who are the guys in the league

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00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: who are there is not even an argument better than him.

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00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: So let me the let me maybe pull up a

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Speaker 1: first draft of Club Superstar. So, no, you cannot argue

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00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: that Haliburton's better than this player. How long is the list?

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00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: Joker agreed, yeah, Jannis agreed, Shay agreed, Uh huh healthy,

809
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: Tatum agreed. Yeah, I mean the Achilles is weird, but

810
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep Tatum where he is. Luca agreed, we're

811
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Speaker 1: at five. I think listen, I there are five more

812
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Speaker 1: players better than him. But as far as like it's

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00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: under you, there is no argument. Okay, now, guys who

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Speaker 1: you could make the argument he's better than but I

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Speaker 1: don't agree with it. Steph Lebron, hold on, when I

816
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Speaker 1: did that whole thing? Did I say? Shay said was

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Speaker 1: like the fourth Movement got leave Shaye out, Steph Lebron,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking Brunson like, but I was figured

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Speaker 3: like I was just thinking of my head.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty debatable, but right, that is right.

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Speaker 1: But I think Brunton's better than him, but it's clearly debatable.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you're not sure.

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Speaker 2: I'd say, I mean, yeah, I think better than me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's close, right, And then you get

826
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Speaker 1: to I think two guys that are tough in how

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Speaker 1: you're gonna rank them, Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant no

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Speaker 1: embiid and bid. Yeah, I mean it's just yeah, but

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Speaker 1: Durant and Anthony Davis are I like, they both have

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Speaker 1: the Halliburton's way more available in those guys. They it

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Speaker 1: feels like those guys have higher ceilings. But man, oh Man,

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Speaker 1: Halliburton has more playoff moments this postseason than either one

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Speaker 1: of those guys in the last half decade. So like

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Speaker 1: there's and then there's I think he's Do you think

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Speaker 1: he's better than Donovan Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about Donovan Mitchell. Yes, actually I do. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I do too.

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Speaker 1: I think for I think when it comes to winning, like.

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Speaker 2: I think he's better exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I guess my answer is the absolute highest you

841
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Speaker 1: could have him is sixth I think that would be irrational.

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00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: I think I have him eleventh, and I think the

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00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: lowest you could have him is fourteenth. So I know

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Speaker 1: that's that sounds like a bit of a cop out,

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00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: but like I think that is he's better than Devin Booker.

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Speaker 1: My answer is yes, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's just like skill set exactly. I was

848
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Speaker 3: just thinking, like, haller Burton's just more riable player than

849
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Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell or Devin.

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Speaker 1: Wimby's a tough one, but Wimby's so still something of

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Speaker 1: an unknown, you know. Wimby's almost as much of an

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00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: ideas he is a basketball player at this point. All right, people,

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00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: you go ahead and ask me about.

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Speaker 3: Mister Halliburton is allowed back into the stadium for the

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00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 3: Pacers home games, but he'll be in the booth for

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00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: game four.

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Speaker 2: Is there any.

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Speaker 1: I know that means he's on the call?

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Speaker 3: Is there is there any part of you that I

860
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 3: would like to see him on courtside?

861
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: All right, I I gotta tell you guys something. I

862
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: have a very what's going to be an unpopular opinion

863
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: on this.

864
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: Uh.

865
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember how every single one of

866
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 1: us felt the day after he came on the court,

867
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: mocked the honest, waved that flag in his face, and

868
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: then the next day did a TV interview where he

869
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: had no remorse whatsoever and claimed he wasn't even looking

870
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: at you, honest. And so not only do I not

871
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: want him court side, I think he should still not

872
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: be allowed to go to the games. Okay, so I'm

873
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: the only person I think who feels like I felt

874
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: a whole two and a half weeks ago when we

875
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: all said he needs to be banned. Every single person

876
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: was like, you've gotta ban him, And then Halliburton hits

877
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: a game winner, and Barkley's like, free John Halliburton, and

878
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: now everyone's like, oh, yeah, in fact, sit him next

879
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: to Shalloman, like there is I have no reason to

880
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: believe that. I don't think this was too harsh of

881
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: a penalty.

882
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: I don't was it just be until the end of

883
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: this season. Was that the initial.

884
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes? And then they and maybe they I thought

885
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: maybe the rational was the Pacers are going to lose

886
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: to the Cavs, so it's you know, it's all one

887
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: round and now they won. I would be open to

888
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: if they make the finals letting him back, but I

889
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: don't like it. I I thought, what he again? We

890
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: are people, people have such short memories. We were all

891
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: discussing how impressive it was that Yiannis didn't punch that

892
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: guy in the face, and we were all talking about

893
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: what an impossible position he put Yannis in. Yeah, right,

894
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: And now eight games later we're.

895
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: Like, ah, I think what you do it's probably just

896
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: you know, people, people's emotions and like seeing Halibird and

897
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 3: I are cooking, he's making a run, his dad's not

898
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 3: able to go to the games.

899
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,479
Speaker 2: I also think people are starting to like Halivert more.

900
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: I certainly liked Tyree's Haliburton, not more than I liked

901
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: him two months ago.

902
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: Sure, that's fine. I like his dad less. And I

903
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: don't I the there, I don't know.

904
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 3: I mean And when you when you said that he

905
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 3: said that he wasn't looking at honest, and you when

906
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 3: he said he was looking through him, did you think

907
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 3: he was being uh disingenuous? There are you saying? Do

908
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: you actually think that he wasn't trying to look at

909
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 3: you honest? Or I think that when he said he

910
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: was looking through.

911
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: Him, he was taunting honest. He tried to claim he

912
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: was not taunting.

913
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: Honest, okay, because you made it seem like he kind

914
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: of lied about it.

915
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 3: I thought when he said I was looking through him,

916
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 3: like he was saying like, yeah, I was looking at him,

917
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 3: like I was looking right through him type of deal.

918
01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that that interview. Maybe I'm wrong.

919
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: I see it was him saying, oh, I didn't even

920
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: realize he was there. I was just in the moment

921
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: and that I was just I just picked that spot randomly,

922
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: and he happened to be there, and I didn't pick

923
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: up on it because I was looking through him. I

924
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: was looking at the crowd, and I'm like, that's not

925
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: a guy that feels bad.

926
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and so maybe I'm.

927
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: Miss interpreting it, but I didn't. I didn't like the game.

928
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: I didn't love it. All right, Let's do one quick

929
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: NFL thing and then get to some listener questions.

930
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 3: Sakon Barkley told Red Blanket Ship and Cooper Degene on

931
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 3: their podcast that the.

932
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: Man, did you hold on? Did you know this demand

933
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,479
Speaker 1: before we even get to it? I bad news for us.

934
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: We're now competing with a Red Blanken Hip, Cooper de

935
01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: Jene project. That's that's that's a nice tand my clear my, I'm.

936
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 6: Gonna have to catch up on the archives there all right, man,

937
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 6: oh man, I bet that's an insightful show. I'm excited

938
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 6: to listen.

939
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: Okay. Go ahead.

940
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 3: Told him that that that twenty twenty four Eagles team

941
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 3: the top five team in NFL history.

942
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: You're obviously a NFL historian, How true?

943
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: Is that not only is it not true, it's not even.

944
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: You can't even you can't even make a credible argument

945
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: for like and by the way, Sakuon said they were

946
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: a top five team of all time and then listed

947
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: five other teams in his top five, which then would

948
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: make them, I guess, the top six team of all time.

949
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: But one of the teams he listed was the two

950
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: thousand Ravens, which is not a top twenty team of

951
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: all time. Like, none of this makes sense, but the

952
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: seventy two Dolphins that went undefeated had the number one

953
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: offense and the number one defense and beat teams by

954
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: an average of fifteen points a game. That's a top

955
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: five team of all time. The eighty four Niners that

956
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: went fifteen to one annihilated their postseason opponents start to finish,

957
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: had a top two offense, top two defense. The eighty

958
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: five Bears that everyone talks about the greatest defense of

959
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: all time, which it had, but it also had the

960
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: number two offense in the sport that year and beat

961
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: their playoff opponents Demonse ninety one to ten is a

962
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: top five team of all time.

963
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: Bears quarterback ever throw up for more than four thousand yards.

964
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: I know because they had defense.

965
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: I guess it was amazing.

966
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: But okay, the defense was amazing. They had an amazing

967
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: running game. They scored the second most points of any

968
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: team in the league that year. The the who are

969
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: the other teams? I'm leaving out an obvious one nine

970
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: to two Cowboys pretty good, seventy eight Steelers, which had

971
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: I think eleven Hall of Famers, They're pretty good. The

972
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: seven Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl. The the greatest team

973
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, the twenty sixteen Patriots that went fourteen

974
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: and two and ran had a top two offense and defense.

975
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: They were pretty good. The ninety eight Broncos en route

976
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: to a back to back championship. Like listen, the Eagles

977
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,479
Speaker 1: had the number eight offense, number two defense, and were

978
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: in one score playoff games in rounds one in rounds two? Now,

979
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: did the Eagles have a top five Super Bowl performance

980
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: because of what they did and who they did it to? Sure,

981
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: I'll listen to that. You want to say, did they

982
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: have a top five all time final two games by

983
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: just dismantling the Commanders and the dismantling the Chiefs. Sure

984
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: I'll listen to that. But top five? Yeah, but they

985
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: still scored fifty five, you know what I mean, or

986
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: whatever they scored like the sure. But I just people, again,

987
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: everyone just leave the list to me. Your guys lists suck.

988
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: And again I just and he wouldn't even it was

989
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: so his top Here were his top five teams of

990
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: all time for the record, seventy two Dolphins because they're undefeated.

991
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: Good job, eighty five Bears, good job, the two thousand Ravens,

992
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: who it's not even a tenable opinion. And then he

993
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: was like one of the Brady teams and one of

994
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: the Mahomes teams, like that's not even like a thing,

995
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: and so I just like whatever, Uh, all right, let's

996
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: remember to everyone like rate, subscribe, review if you have

997
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: time to, you know, when you're not listening to the

998
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: Read Blank and Hip Cooper Degene podcast, if you want

999
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: to check out What's right with Nick? Right, we'd appreciate it.

1000
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: You think I'm being rude there, Demansey.

1001
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 3: Hey man on the podcast, It's gonna be very insightful,

1002
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 3: and you know, I like.

1003
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do a three cone drill after this

1004
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: after our pod. All right, what are some listener questions?

1005
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 4: Uh?

1006
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 2: Cale suggests another rule change.

1007
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 3: What do you think about there being a timer on

1008
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 3: replay reviews if the reps can't clearly overturn the call

1009
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 3: in one minute call stands.

1010
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: That's how it was when they brought it to the

1011
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: NFL initially, and that's of course how it should be.

1012
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: There was a real timer, and the logic was within

1013
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: thirty or forty five or sixty seconds, I don't remember.

1014
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: If we can't figure it out within this timeframe, then

1015
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: whatever we then it's not clear and obvious. The whole

1016
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: idea was. The idea behind replay was to fix egregious mistakes,

1017
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 1: not to parse hundredths of a second, you know, through

1018
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: zapruder film. That's not what it was there for. Let's

1019
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: go on to the next one.

1020
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 3: Jam as has there ever been a team that is

1021
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 3: the youngest and best team in the NBA like this?

1022
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: Okay, see team well, I mean OKC in twenty twelve

1023
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: had a shot and people can be like, oh, they

1024
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 1: weren't the best team. They were the favorites over Lebron's

1025
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: heat in the finals. They were the favorites and they

1026
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 1: won Game one, so you know that was they had

1027
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: a real argument for it. They just you know, Lebron

1028
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: and d Wade just weren't having it all right.

1029
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 3: Next, Uh, Curtis, if you manage the MAVs, would you

1030
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 3: rather have Luca and Brunson or Flag A D and Kyrie?

1031
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: Luca and Brunson. I mean, listen, Kyrie is coming is

1032
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: dealing with a catastrophic kne injury. Ad is thirty two

1033
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: and has real injury questions. And I like the idea

1034
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: of Cooper Flag But those other guys are two top

1035
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: eight players in the league. Uh, so that's not even

1036
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: a question to me, do Luca?

1037
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean they did get traded away from

1038
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 3: each other's teams for a reason.

1039
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 2: Do those guys even work together like that? And considering

1040
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: their play style?

1041
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, but I do. I just

1042
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: think you could, you know, figure out a way to

1043
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: make it work, figure out a way or flip one

1044
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: for a real bounty, not what they flipped Luca for,

1045
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: you know all that stuff.

1046
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: Right all right?

1047
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 3: Next, Trey ass, what events are you playing in World

1048
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 3: Series of Poker this year?

1049
01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: Great question? So I actually, uh, it's not at all

1050
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 1: what you guys expect. So I and now some hopefully

1051
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: I won't play in all of these because the final

1052
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: table for some overlaps with the other events. But theoretically

1053
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: I am playing in the ten thousand dollars Dealer's Choice Championship,

1054
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,799
Speaker 1: which is an demons. It's an unbelieve. There are twenty

1055
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: two different games and every seven hands, a different person

1056
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: at the table gets to pick which game they're playing

1057
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: for those seven hands. So like, so there's twenty two

1058
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: different variations, okay, from seven card stud to Badoogie badou

1059
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: se five card draw which is like the you know

1060
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: old school game regular nolamit hold them big. Oh, and

1061
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: so you have to be able to play and know

1062
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: the rules and be sophisticated at all the games. So

1063
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: that is that's the tournament I want to play, and

1064
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 1: that's the tournament. So that so that's one. I'm also

1065
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: going to play the fifteen hundred dollars Badugie. A lot

1066
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: of this just has to deal with the tournaments that

1067
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 1: are being played while I'm out there. I might play

1068
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: what will be the most bananas tournament of the series

1069
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: and the first time they've ever held it, the fifteen

1070
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: hundred pot limit Omaha Double Board Bomb Pot Tournament, which

1071
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: is just going to be billful and then I'm probably

1072
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: also going to play in the ten thousand dollars seven

1073
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: Card stud Championship. So I'm not playing any traditional no

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Speaker 1: limit hold'ems, and I'm playing all these different mixed games

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Speaker 1: and i couldn't be more excited. So those are the

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Speaker 1: ones that those are the ones I'm playing in. All right,

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Speaker 1: go to Eric's question before we.

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Speaker 3: Get out of the Drake May question here today, expectations

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Speaker 3: for Drake May this year feels like he used to

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Speaker 3: be higher on him, but have had.

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Speaker 2: A count counter.

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Speaker 3: Turbulence count counterbalance counter oh oh, counter turbulence is not

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Speaker 3: a word.

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Speaker 2: Counterbalance, Wild's optimism.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I listen. I like I like Drake May coming

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Speaker 1: out of school because he's very young and very big

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Speaker 1: and very strong. And that's how I like my top

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Speaker 1: three picks.

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Speaker 2: I want him.

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Speaker 1: I don't want him to have sixty starts under their belt.

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Speaker 1: I want him to be young and six four and

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Speaker 1: big and all that stuff. And I thought he was

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Speaker 1: fine last year. What the wild thing is that he's maddening,

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Speaker 1: and it is that he has just completely changed what

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Speaker 1: all of his rules ever were for grading quarterbacks were

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Speaker 1: for this guy, and he is he is acting as

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Speaker 1: if that he sees more in Drake May than he

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Speaker 1: saw in mac Jones, which he should because Drake Mays

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Speaker 1: objectively better than mac Jones. But he loved mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: So to answer your question, yeah, I just got a

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Speaker 1: I I Wild. It's so yeah. Wild is just so

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Speaker 1: punch drunk on the fact that he has a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that can throw, you know, could throw a ten yard

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Speaker 1: out route through a couple plies of bounty, that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do with himself. So that's it,

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Speaker 1: all right, Everybody like rate subscribe review if you could.

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Speaker 1: It actually really does help us out a lot. Great job,

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Speaker 1: Demon's great job, Blue Dog, great job. Friends of the

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Speaker 1: Volume and DraftKings. And if the game tonight is insane,

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll do a show tomorrow, but the plan is

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Speaker 1: to probably just do a show on Thursday, and my

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Speaker 1: guess is on Thursday we will be discussing the Knicks

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Speaker 1: having tied the series two games apiece, and the Thunder

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Speaker 1: advancing to the second finals in team history. See you guys, then,

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Speaker 1: what's right