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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I've always been a fan of the Mothman, but I've

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Speaker 2: never understood it. I've heard people talk about and describe

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Speaker 2: that it was that Mothman had this like seal, you know,

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Speaker 2: like a like a seal skin and dolphin skin kind

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Speaker 2: of thing, and that you know they were winged they would,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't all just to do with the bridge,

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Speaker 2: even though that came up later. Somebody said that they

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Speaker 2: believe when they saw him at the bridge that it

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Speaker 2: was a bad luck thing. That these were not good.

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Speaker 2: These were all bad and they cause a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 2: Did you what do you got about those good bad

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Speaker 2: and are? I want to know your theories after studying

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Speaker 2: it all afterwards, because you know a lot of the

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Speaker 2: stuff we read is somebody else's theories, but you've been

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Speaker 2: roaming around and really investigating it for real.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 3: So I would say, Connie, that you know based upon

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Speaker 3: the research that we've done. And as I mentioned John

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Speaker 3: Keel's name at least a half a dozen times already,

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Speaker 3: obviously he's a huge influence on me. And the way

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Speaker 3: that Keel had postulated that he thought what he thought

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Speaker 3: Mofman was was, first off, the thunderbird. And I'm using

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Speaker 3: the term the thunderbird because that's one that is I

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Speaker 3: think a little bit more, really a lot more that

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Speaker 3: people are culturally aware of. But in the Eastern tradition,

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Speaker 3: there is a very similar concept to the thunderbird, which

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Speaker 3: is the Native American tradition, and that's what they call

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Speaker 3: the garuda. And that's like in Buddhist, you know, in

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Speaker 3: Buddhist ideology, the garuda is like an overarching protective deity

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Speaker 3: that that will kind of serve as something that can

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Speaker 3: equal the balances if things are going wrong. So that

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Speaker 3: being said, my thoughts about Mofman is that at worst,

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Speaker 3: I think that it's a neutral energy. At best, I

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Speaker 3: think it's a positive or perhaps even angelic entity. I

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Speaker 3: don't see it as a demonic thing, as it's been

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Speaker 3: kind of positioned in the horror genre fear cells, right,

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Speaker 3: so we always go to the negative and these red

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Speaker 3: eyes and these black wings and all this and this

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Speaker 3: unknown is certainly very scary. But Mothman could have physically

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Speaker 3: harmed people during all of its encounters. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 3: it seems like a super powerful entity. But it never

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Speaker 3: directly harmed anybody. And I'm one that doesn't believe that

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Speaker 3: the Mothman caused the Silver Bridge to collapse. I think

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Speaker 3: the Silver Bridge collapsed because it was built in nineteen

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Speaker 3: twenty eight for horse and buggy foot traffic and model

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Speaker 3: T Fords, not eighteen wheelers, and the half a million

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Speaker 3: pounds that were on that bridge when it went down.

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Speaker 3: There was also a manufacturing defect in the bridge that

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Speaker 3: nobody could see because it was in an encasement in

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Speaker 3: an eyebar and it was a small centimeter type crack

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Speaker 3: and it gave way in the cold environment with all

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Speaker 3: the weight that was on the bridge. So I don't

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Speaker 3: think Mothman was really negative. I think there was an

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Speaker 3: energy that was there to warn that was something that

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Speaker 3: was going to be disastrous, but it never really like said, hey,

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Speaker 3: the bridge is going to fall. I mean, people had

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Speaker 3: visions of presents floating on the water, but they didn't

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Speaker 3: know what that meant until after this happened. See, it

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Speaker 3: was Christmas time when the bridge went down, so presents

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Speaker 3: were floating on the river. Unfortunately, when when that happened.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, that's right. But why did people think

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Speaker 2: that why did they say it was a curse and

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Speaker 2: it was them that they did it? And if you

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Speaker 2: go to the positive side of it was a warning.

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Speaker 2: Why was it just floating there in the sky and

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Speaker 2: looking at people and they thought, oh they were they

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Speaker 2: were warning us about it, or that's why they cursed it,

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Speaker 2: that's why it was the bad thing. I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't understand why would they even incorporate the mofman into

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Speaker 2: that story and why would it be floating around or

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Speaker 2: flying around? Was it watching what happened? Maybe where did

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Speaker 2: all that come from?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I see it in the people that I've talked

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Speaker 3: to and the things that I've studied. I see it

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Speaker 3: more as an entity that was observing and trying to

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Speaker 3: communicate with the people that something was going to happen.

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Speaker 3: There were people, you know, back in the sixties, they

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Speaker 3: didn't really use the term psychic or precognitive or things

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Speaker 3: name of Virginia who had second sight, the term second site,

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Speaker 3: and she was getting messages that she was interpreting as

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Speaker 3: warnings something was going to happen. And obviously, when there's

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Speaker 3: like a black winged entity with the red eyes. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if I saw that, I'd be terrified, and I think

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Speaker 3: it was here to cause harm. I think that it's

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Speaker 3: natural to fear the unknown, especially something as pronounced as

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Speaker 3: mothman was. But again, I think that the fear came

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Speaker 3: from the unknown, and I really believe, if anything, it

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Speaker 3: was trying to communicate to warrant people that things were

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Speaker 3: going to be impacting them in a negative way.

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Speaker 2: Hmm, Okay, I know I've seen pictures like people have

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Speaker 2: drawn pictures and just you know, showed it that way.

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Speaker 2: So that's the only way I've seen it. And I yeah,

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Speaker 2: the presence those were really cool. But it's interesting how

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Speaker 2: theories come from all this, right when, like you were

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Speaker 2: talking about with the presence of stuff, It's amazing how

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Speaker 2: all these other stories come out. Was is the Mothman

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Speaker 2: only been seen around this time or do people? I

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Speaker 2: saw something once in Tennessee and it flew and it

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Speaker 2: looked like a mothman thunderbird kind of thing, and that's

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Speaker 2: what the owner of the home is said. It's Sandy

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Speaker 2: Nelson in the Paranormal Palace, and he's got a book

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Speaker 2: coming out again, so we're going to bring him back on.

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Speaker 2: But I was at his place. We were doing a

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Speaker 2: creepy hotspot and I saw something fly by and I said, man,

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Speaker 2: it looks like a mothman kind of thing, and he

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Speaker 2: said thunderbird. We say thunderbird. So I've never heard that

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Speaker 2: that's been said before. That that's you know, I would

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Speaker 2: think two different things, but I guess some people look

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Speaker 2: at it and see the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, it has been seen, and there have been

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Speaker 3: reports of it really from all over the globe, and

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Speaker 3: I know for the last since twenty eleven, there have

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Speaker 3: been all kinds of reports that have come from the

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Speaker 3: area that I live in. Now, I've never witnessed mothman.

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Speaker 3: I've not seen the entity or anything of that nature.

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Speaker 3: But there has been a big outpouring of alleged sightings

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Speaker 3: in northern Illinois and southern Wisconsin and some of the

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Speaker 3: surrounding states as well. But this coggle Mathman is something

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Speaker 3: that's been it's it's almost become legendary the last decade.

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Speaker 2: Lafman is back, and.

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Speaker 4: I know you're gonna want some them after hearing this.

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Speaker 4: This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 5: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: I understand that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years old now,

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Speaker 4: was suffering with not just one or two warts, but

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Speaker 4: I mean a significant outbreak of warts all over his body,

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Speaker 4: so significant it impacted his ability to really function.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to

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Speaker 6: Rightie's book.

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Speaker 5: Actually, that got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 5: It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 5: see that it would work.

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Speaker 4: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 4: was actually improvement it's really going to work.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 6: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 6: and then going down to with just a little red monks.

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Speaker 6: The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 6: one that size for Wannert, No way, that's gonna Wow.

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Speaker 5: That's just been miraculous to say him get into a

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Speaker 5: pair of shoes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see.

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Speaker 4: I'm so happy and yes, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 5: For instead of seen it that is blown away, TI,

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Speaker 5: this is awesome, Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: So what were some of these synchronicities that you were

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Speaker 3: Well, the one that I mentioned earlier Connie was September

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Speaker 3: the sixth, and September the sixth is a very prominent

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Speaker 3: day in my life with Jackie. But back up to

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Speaker 3: Keel and the mofman prophecies, Uh, Keel had a would

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Speaker 3: you call her like I want to say conspiratory, but

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Speaker 3: she's not that. She was like she was like Connie

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Speaker 3: back in the nineteen sixties. Her name was Jay P.

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Speaker 3: Parow and she was a radio personality. She was in

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Speaker 3: John Neville did back in the day. And she crossed

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Speaker 3: paths with John Keel and for about probably the last

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Speaker 3: third of them Offman Prophecies Book. Rather than focusing on

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Speaker 3: what was happening in Point Pleasant, Keil talked about some

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Speaker 3: strangeness that was going on on Long Island. A lot

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Speaker 3: of prophecies were being given and Jay Perrow would call.

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Speaker 3: She would call John Keel and talk to him and

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Speaker 3: then like another entity would take over her voice and

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Speaker 3: the word prophecies in the Mofman Prophecies Book. He gave

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Speaker 3: Keel all kinds of information and some of the messages

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Speaker 3: that he received were about, you know, this is going

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Speaker 1: That was a message that.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Martin Luther King is going to be assassinated. Keel

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Speaker 3: happened there, and then the Pope was going to be assassinated.

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Speaker 3: Also in the Middle East, now there was an assassination

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Speaker 3: attempt on the Pope's life during this timeframe, but thankfully

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Speaker 3: it was stopped so that didn't happen. But these synchronicities.

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Speaker 3: J Perrow's birthday is September the sixth. John Keel also

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Speaker 3: allegedly assisted giving birth over the phone with these ladies

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Speaker 3: all born on September the sixth. He coached them over

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Speaker 3: the phone, so that's in the book as well too.

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Speaker 3: Just a lot of weirdness that was happening. He had

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Speaker 3: a list of people he called silent contactees who were

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Speaker 3: people who had paranormal experiences, but they didn't advertise them.

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Speaker 3: They didn't want to be out there, but they would

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Speaker 3: talk to him, you know, under the guise of I

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Speaker 3: need to, you know, keep my anonymity. This needs to

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Speaker 3: be private between you and me. So the dates of

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Speaker 3: the birthdays on a lot of those silent contact these

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Speaker 3: September the sixth, So if we fast forward to September

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Speaker 3: the sixth of two thousand and four, Jackie and I met,

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Speaker 3: which is super cool also because my step son, Jackie's

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Speaker 3: son's birthday is September the sixth, so that that was

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Speaker 3: his birthday. We met on September the sixth, My stepson

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Speaker 3: unfortunately got involved with a female arsonist, which is really unusual.

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Speaker 3: She burned his house down on September the sixth, so

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Speaker 3: that all kinds of crazy. Yeah, just all kinds of

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Speaker 3: craziness happens on September the sixth. I started a job

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Speaker 3: on September the sixth. I was promoted the following year

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Speaker 3: in September the sixth. It just keeps coming back to us.

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Speaker 2: Well, did your step son break up with her on

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Speaker 2: September sixth?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the house.

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Speaker 3: Now she had to do a little vacate in one

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Speaker 3: of our fine penitentiaries. So relationship, but she, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Oh scary, man, that's going to be We don't want

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Speaker 2: want no no twenty twenty from that. No, no dateline

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Speaker 2: shows or anything from that. My goodness, that's horrible. I

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Speaker 2: know that's not good. So, you know, Keel is just cool.

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Speaker 2: What do what do you think of Kiel?

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Speaker 3: What what I find really fascinating about John Keel is

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Speaker 3: that dude didn't even have high school diploma, yet people

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Speaker 3: thought that he had a PhD because of his research methods.

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Speaker 3: You know, kil His first book was called Jadu that

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Speaker 3: came out I think in the fifties, and that was

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Speaker 3: about his adventures in India and in the Far East

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Speaker 3: the Middle Eastern black magic or Indian black magic. You know,

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Speaker 3: how do these fakiers do all these you know, different

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Speaker 3: spells or eat snakes and all this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: So he was he was like the first Indiana Jones

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Speaker 3: the television personnelity. And he went into a funk mentally

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Speaker 3: he was looking for UFOs aliens, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: And his research into that type of thing ended up

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Speaker 3: in which he really applied some pretty pretty thorough I

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Speaker 3: then also quantitative too. So he was doing you know,

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Speaker 3: because he was actually coming back from a UFO conference

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Speaker 3: this cat that had wings. So this kid was in

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Speaker 3: West Virginia. So in his travels to West Virginia, he

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Speaker 3: hears about these sightings that are taking place in Point Pleasant,

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Speaker 3: and he makes a bee line to Point Pleasant, West Virginia,

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Speaker 3: and spent a good chunk of the next thirteen months

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Speaker 3: City in Point Pleasant as all the weirdness was developing

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Speaker 3: in sixty six and sixty seven.

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