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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this spinoff episode of

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Speaker 1: Ye Guys. Stephen Stephen, Stephen caneven. For some reason, I

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Speaker 1: kept having that go through my head, which we're calling

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Speaker 1: the iconograph. Instead of looking at the Zeikes through current

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Speaker 1: events on Monday mornings, we are looking at the Zeikes

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Speaker 1: through the powerful pop culture horcruxes that.

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Speaker 2: Are our icons.

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Speaker 1: We use these icons to create meaning.

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Speaker 3: To build identity, to scare the identity, scare the shit

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Speaker 3: out of ourselves at sleepovers, shit to learn that the

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Speaker 3: proper way to welcome a new roommate is to stand

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Speaker 3: outside their room on the first night, channing fresh fish,

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Speaker 3: fresh fish.

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Speaker 1: Until they start crying. And most importantly, they teach us

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Speaker 1: that sometimes you black out and do irreparable damage to

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Speaker 1: your life and your family, and sometimes you black out

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Speaker 1: and write Kujo's right. Today we're talking about Stephen King.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say an especially appropriate subject for our show

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Speaker 1: about the zeitgeist, because I'd contend uh he has a

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Speaker 1: better grasp of our cultural shared consciousness than maybe anyone,

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Speaker 1: or at least that's what he views his job as is.

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Speaker 1: We're working in the mythpool, is what he calls it,

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Speaker 1: Drinking from the myth Pool. I'm thrilled to be joined,

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Speaker 1: as always by my co host, mister Miles.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, could it be more different than maybe Tupac

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Speaker 2: in that a bro I'm I think I'm talk to

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Speaker 2: Stephen to Stephen from Tupac's lips to Stephen King's eyeglasses.

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Speaker 1: We're all here, Stephen, Stephen King's tiny coin slot like eyes.

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Speaker 4: There those are.

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Speaker 1: He's got tiny, deep eyes, the likes of which like

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Speaker 1: a dolly. He's got Biden eyes. He's got where you Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like you should be pushing coins into them. Miles.

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Speaker 1: I think we've gotten especially appropriate guests, thank God, especially

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Speaker 1: appropriate subject a poet and podcaster, and you can hear

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Speaker 1: on the American Hysteria Podcast exploring the fantastical thinking and

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Speaker 1: irrational fears of Americans through the lens of moral panics,

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Speaker 1: urban legends, and conspiracy theories. Please welcome the brilliant, the

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Speaker 1: talented Chelsea Webers.

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Speaker 5: I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I love Stephen King, but I don't

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Speaker 6: have I didn't read the autobiography.

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Speaker 5: I don't have that grasp on his life. So I'm

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Speaker 5: just here to learn and I'm so excited.

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Speaker 4: I just know he's from Maine. Black people are like

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Speaker 4: on him.

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Speaker 1: And but he's such a fan of black people. You

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Speaker 1: guys have super.

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Speaker 4: But I just know.

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Speaker 2: But he's one of those people too that I I

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Speaker 2: always saw, like the book on the rack at the

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Speaker 2: grocery store, like there would always be a Stephen King book,

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Speaker 2: like when they would sell books at the checkout at

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Speaker 2: a grocery store. And then beyond that it would always

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Speaker 2: be me hearing about some movie like, oh, that's Stephen King.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly that I had that Stephen King because

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Speaker 1: like my main interaction, I've read carry and like probably

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Speaker 1: i'd say like five Stephen King books just randomly, like

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Speaker 1: based on oh I needed a paperback, Well I was

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Speaker 1: it's you know, I think I've read The Missed Carrie.

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Speaker 1: I haven't read it. I've read what my favorite thing

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Speaker 1: I've ever read by him was like a short story

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Speaker 1: that wasn't even like supernatural or like a horror thing.

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Speaker 1: It was I think it was called like All that

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Speaker 1: You Leave Behind or something that was just like a

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Speaker 1: great work, like the guy can write.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you great writer.

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Speaker 1: It flows through him. Yeah, my main interact with him

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Speaker 1: was sleepover movies. And I didn't realize like all of

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Speaker 1: or like based on his work. It was crazy the

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Speaker 1: lock that he had on on just like that type

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Speaker 4: That was like YouTube before YouTube or like you've seen it,

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Speaker 1: But I do just want to talk about this idea

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Speaker 1: that he has. He calls it mining the collective unconscious

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Speaker 1: for what he calls pressure points, which are these like

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Speaker 1: Ronald McDonald. Ronald McDonald was like was everywhere, like they

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Speaker 1: that people weren't scared of clowns before he wrote it,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think it was a mainstream understanding, Like

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Speaker 1: the way that like pop culture notes, like he found

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Speaker 1: call it this this terrifying clown.

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Speaker 6: And I have to say it is a bit of

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Speaker 6: an expert on Keller clown Phantom clown Panics. Please listen

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Speaker 6: to our episode of the history of how clowns became scary.

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Speaker 6: But we do have John Wayne Gacy in the seventies.

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Speaker 1: And didn't jump off the clowns.

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Speaker 5: Didn't help the clown.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it was like Boso was the most popular

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Speaker 1: The clown was on TV in syndication when I was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was like an after school thing where

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Speaker 1: Boso the Clown would have a kid try and throw

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Speaker 1: I was like riveted. I was like, got thirty bucks

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Speaker 1: that this kid focks this one up. But just some

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Speaker 1: I think he identified our you know, fear of prison

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Speaker 1: and he made like the Killer Dog movies. Fear of

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Speaker 1: insanity addiction is everywhere in his work, like The Shining

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Speaker 1: narcissistic charismatic leaders, the dead zone, the stand. And he

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Speaker 1: was also like channeling I don't know, like he was

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Speaker 1: school shootings actually started becoming such a thing that he

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Speaker 4: Damn.

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Speaker 2: I mean entirely pre sages the like GLP one ozembic

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Speaker 1: He also presaged cars with the maximum overdrive and also

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Speaker 1: stranger Things is really infant. I do just want to

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Speaker 1: go through like to fully. Oh but sorry before we do, Chelsea.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that kept popping up in my

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Speaker 1: at channeling. I was like, where is Stephen King's bees, right, true,

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Speaker 1: because bees do kill a lot of people who are

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Speaker 1: allergic to bees. And there's also that corresponding moral panic

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Speaker 6: I just recorded with Akila Hughes, who's so funny, and

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Speaker 6: she brought me some information about killer bees and other

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Speaker 6: unless there's a book I'm not thinking of or you're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's coming next, right.

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Speaker 2: That's he's saving up right right right. Oh, that's just

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Speaker 2: like magnum Opus.

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Speaker 1: At the end, Victor says he Be's story is the

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Speaker 1: horror short story The Man in the Black Suit, which

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Speaker 1: features a pivotal terrifying being counter. So that's from nineteen

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Speaker 5: So Victor is not the it's not like the whole

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Speaker 1: It's not like he wrote Candy Man, which would have

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Speaker 1: Seventy four, he releases his debut novel, Carrie and Like

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Speaker 1: it's immediately optioned and turned into a horror movie classic

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Speaker 1: by Brian de Palmer seventy seven The Shining, So three

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Speaker 1: Bachman because they were like, we're releasing too many books

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Speaker 1: so he called it Dick Bachman. A nineteen eighty fire starter,

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Speaker 1: Tower series, which is one of like writes that as

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Speaker 1: Stephen King, which is one of his fan favorite series

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Speaker 1: that expands his whole career, and then releases the book

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Speaker 1: of four short stories slash novellas. And I just want

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Speaker 1: to tell you those four short stories include apt Pupil,

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Speaker 1: a short story called The Body which becomes Standby, and

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Speaker 1: then novella that becomes Shawshank Redemption. That's what what was.

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Speaker 1: The fourth was just kind of the fourth one was

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Speaker 1: the one that, like all the literary critics were like,

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Speaker 1: this is the really good one.

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Speaker 4: Oh damn.

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Speaker 6: What it feels like is like how people think. Some

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Speaker 6: people think that Shakespeare was multiple people, right, like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, run a generational run five movies in a single year,

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Speaker 2: and like three of them are stand By Me, Shawshank,

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Speaker 2: usually I know you sometimes you'll crunch the numbers about

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Speaker 2: See, because I'm I'm wired so differently that while watch horror,

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Speaker 1: So in nineteen seventy two, one of his friends gave

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Speaker 1: were the girls, you know, flouncing boobally around and.

438
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, right, right, right, right right.

439
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: Where do you think these people exist, Steven? These are

440
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: real people in your mind?

441
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe so, I just don't know.

442
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 5: And I feel like Carrie is really like it's really good.

443
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 5: You say this as a born woman.

444
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like I felt really good about it,

445
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 6: And I always thought that it was a pretty amazing

446
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 6: feat for the seventies.

447
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: Yea, for a man in the seventies.

448
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 6: Able to do that because most men were just extremely

449
00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 6: angry at feminism.

450
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: Right, So, yeah, shout out to Flip Thompson and Tabitha

451
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: the hero him. Yeah that god, those that draft he

452
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 2: crumpled up and threw in the garbage. Can I the

453
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: money i'd pay to read that?

454
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, no kidding.

455
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, the pre Tabitha drafts.

456
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 5: Please got to be somewhere.

457
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 6: It'll be like in a college you can visit in

458
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 6: his notes one day, right right right?

459
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

460
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: The novel has this like pseudo documentary like true crime.

461
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: Feel like he does a thing where it's written like

462
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: it's like pasted together from different like magazine accounts of

463
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: this thing that happened, and you don't know exactly what

464
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: it is yet, like as as it's going on, but

465
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: it gives the book a sense of dread that you're

466
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: like coming towards something. And suproducer Victor pointed out, like

467
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: he just read Carry Again and was saying that, like

468
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: were it written today, like all of these different details

469
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: of the book, Like he it's about a loner character

470
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: who is like has this sexual, repressed upbringing, and then

471
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: like something terrible happens. It would be like this is

472
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: way too on the nose a metaphor for like a

473
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: school shooting. Yeah right right, like and just like a

474
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: foreboding thing happening at high schools. We're just so used

475
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: to that now. Yeah, yeah, again, he's like kind of

476
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: mining this collective unconscious and.

477
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: Did you imagine that he's but he's always just kind

478
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: of off by like a couple of degrees because in

479
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: his mind.

480
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 4: He's like the girl's locker room man.

481
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: He things going on, just likeentually getting there, it's like

482
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: everything was like, oh yeah, no, that wasn't about jail.

483
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: That was just I just wanted to write the N

484
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: word a bunch.

485
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Speaker 6: I would even say that it's also a novel about

486
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 6: the fear of the mean girl, because the girls in

487
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 6: that novel are so mean scary.

488
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and in the movie a.

489
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: Rejection so yeah, yeah, I mean high schools, fucking Texas.

490
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: Also picturing these girls in high school is being so

491
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 2: mean to the janitor Stephen.

492
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, dick Stephen. Everyone plug your noses.

493
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 5: Come on, guys, Well that happens an it too.

494
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 6: One of the Beverly's dad is a janitor, and everyone

495
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 6: makes fun of.

496
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 5: Her for having the chanitor.

497
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 4: Shit.

498
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 5: Wow, so there's something there.

499
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot here.

500
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 5: Steven's collective Unconscious.

501
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 7: Yeah.

502
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: So first publishes the hardcover as usual, does pretty well,

503
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: and the paperback rights are sold for four hundred thousand dollars,

504
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: and the paperback goes on to sell one million copies

505
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: in its first year, which is like, that's great. You know,

506
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: Bible numbers, it's putting up Bible numbers out here.

507
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 4: King James people.

508
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: Pointed out it's also smart that it's an inversion of

509
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: Cinderella essentially, like it's you know, going to the ball

510
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: at the end, right, and then kind of goes He

511
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: was planning to underscore this connection by having Carrie leave

512
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: one of her dancing shoes at the prom but uh,

513
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, he got drunk and forgot to do that.

514
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: I wonder if Tabitha goes Come on, Stephen, we've been

515
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: doing we're working on this.

516
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: Speaking of Tabitha, he gets his idea for his follow up,

517
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: which is the modern day, like nineteen seventy five modern

518
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: day vampire story Salem's Lot. He's teaching Dracula to his

519
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: students at the time and discussing the book with Tabitha,

520
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: and she's like, can you imagine if Dracula came to herman?

521
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: And that's basically the plot of Salem's Lot, Like it

522
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: just paints a picture of like early Tabitha being like

523
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: the Blues Clues guy leading a toddler around by the nose,

524
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: with like really obvious paths to the conclusion, like just like, gee,

525
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: I wonder what it'd be like if Dracula was my

526
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: neighbor and then like stares wordlessly at Steven until he

527
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: like starts writing the novel she's signing him.

528
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 6: I can also see him as a teacher going and

529
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 6: then giving the prompt to his students and being like

530
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 6: this one's interesting.

531
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Speaker 4: No, not good enough, this is dry, not sexy enough.

532
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian the editor said that Stephen King couldn't look

533
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: more like a janitor. His glasses look like they came

534
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: with a broom. Yeah oh yeah. So Brian to Palmers

535
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: carry huge hit. Salem's Lot too long to turn into

536
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: a movie, so it becomes the first of many Stephen

537
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: King books to get the TV mini series treatment. Among

538
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: them it in the Stand. So takes a couple of

539
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: years and writes his next book, which is The Shining,

540
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: which is again kind of a Tabitha joint in the

541
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: sense that she suggests that they move temporarily moved to

542
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: another part of the country and just pick a place

543
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: at random, and so he pulls out an atlas and

544
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: randomly points his finger and they land on Colorado. While

545
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: staying in Boulder, they book a hotel to have a

546
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: night to themselves because they have kids at this point,

547
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: which is the Stanley Hotel, and it's Halloween and it's

548
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: the last day of the season before the hotel closes

549
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: for the winter. And says that like the Bellman is

550
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: like showing them around, and there's like they have the

551
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: orchestra playing for them at dinner even though they're the

552
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: only people in the in the place. And all the

553
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: other tables in the restaurant had the chairs turned upside

554
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: down and like placed on top, and so it's like

555
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: they just happened to like have dinner in the setting

556
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: of The Shining right on Halloween. He's like, I don't know,

557
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: maybe maybe there's something here.

558
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: Every fucking time with this guy, with this guy, because

559
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: Tabitha is like, we should go somewhere else.

560
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: Tabitha set that ship.

561
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 4: Nothing without Tabitha.

562
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 6: I know, Tabitha literally did the spin the globe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

563
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: that's prompt.

564
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: By the way, the Stanley Hotel where they were having

565
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: dinner is also the hotel where they filmed Dumb and Dumber.

566
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: Jeff Daniel stays in the Stephen King Sweet, which is

567
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: supposedly haunted.

568
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 6: Rinds and jumps on the bad Yeah that's right, what

569
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 6: we'll take it.

570
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.

571
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, so it's pretty well known that he hates

572
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick's movie version. His big complaint. I mean, he's

573
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: got many big complaints, but he was very annoyed that

574
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: they cast Jack Nicholson and says that, like, you know,

575
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson, like in his book, the main character is

576
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: the writer is the Jack Nicholson character and he like

577
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: has a redemptive arc. And for Stephen King, he says

578
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: Jack was an autobiographical character full of King's least desirable

579
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: traits the book like writer's black excessive drinking, hostility toward

580
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: the family. The books, Jack ultimately redeems himself, battles his

581
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: demons long enough to save his family, blowing up the

582
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: Overlook Hotel and it's evils once and for all. In

583
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Kubrick's movie, Jack is a psycho who becomes even more

584
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: of a psycho and is crucially never redeemed. This is

585
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: a quote from King. The character of Jack Torrance has

586
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: no arc in that movie, absolutely no arc at all.

587
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: When we first see Jack Nicholson, he's in the office

588
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: of mister Olman, the manager of the hotel, and you

589
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: know then he's crazy as a shithouse rat. All he

590
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: does is get crazier, which is like kind of true.

591
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't need the bad guy in

592
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: my horror movie to like have a redemptive arc, right,

593
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, Well.

594
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 6: That's the difference between a book and a horror movie.

595
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 6: Probably it is like I understand that frustration, but yes,

596
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 6: the same time, it was never gonna.

597
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 5: It was never gonna.

598
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 6: Unless it's a mini series, like it has a lot

599
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 6: more depth, I think, because you have three you know sections,

600
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 6: you can actually do it in but really hard.

601
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, do you think he's just also taking

602
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: it personally because it was autobiographical exactly?

603
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, God fuck, I'm supposed to be okay in the.

604
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: End, right, And this is a time when like he's

605
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: writing about an alcoholic author, and he is an alcoholic author,

606
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: and so he's probably a little too close to it,

607
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: but he still can't like let it go. Like years later,

608
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: like the version of Dance Macob that I read had

609
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: a ForWord written by him, I think in like twenty ten,

610
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: and he still is talking about how bad The Shining is.

611
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: He's like, I mean, you want you want your movie

612
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: to have a cool ending. Like in the book The

613
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: Shining he blows up the Overlook Hotel. In the movie

614
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: he freezes to death. How dorky is that? Which is

615
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: like orky is an unforfortunate choice because it's like very uh,

616
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: it is exactly what Kubrick has that he doesn't is

617
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: the ability to make this story cool and like not dorky.

618
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: I'm surprised he didn't take shots at like Stanley Kubrick

619
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: being dead. Also like just getting that Eddie.

620
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: He's like, who's laughing now, Stanley, Oh that's right, you

621
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: probably can't read this anyway.

622
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 6: The Illuminati, Yeah, I do think he was.

623
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: It is weird that he hasn't written a book about Illuminati,

624
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: because that is the thing that's going to kill us

625
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: all or has he I don't know, Victor let us know.

626
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: It is worth noting though that I think he part

627
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: of like the big head of steam of him thinking

628
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: that Kubricks Shining wasn't ship was built up because it

629
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: was considered like a bad movie when it was first released.

630
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: It was nominated for Razzies for like worst Director. Shelley

631
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: Devall was like nominated as like worst actress. I know,

632
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: it's just so great in it, and like that's it's

633
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: a thing like he makes fun of that perform rmance.

634
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: He he really like has very i don't know, just

635
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: middle brow like taste in movies where he's just like,

636
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, the West Craven thing. At one

637
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: point he's like talking about, you know, mining the fear

638
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: of cars in Dance Macobb and he's like, you know,

639
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: not so there are some good movies about like how

640
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: dangerous cars are, unlike Turkey's like Mad Max. It's like, right,

641
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: come on, man, like what are you talking about. That's

642
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: not a Turkey, that's a good one. Embarrassingly, he eventually

643
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: is like, all right, everybody likes that version of The

644
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: Shining so much, We're gonna take the Pepsi challenge here.

645
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my own version of The Shining. It's

646
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: gonna be called Stephen Kings The Shining. It's gonna star

647
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: an actor who can really hold down the part of

648
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: Jack Torrance, Stephen Weber of Wings And part of the

649
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: deal between King, Warner Brothers and Stanley Kubrick was that

650
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: King would no longer talk shit about Kubrick's The Shining

651
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: and interviews if they let him make this. They're like, fine, dude,

652
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: just like shut the fuck up about oh like for us,

653
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: also for yourself, it's like hurting everything about it. So

654
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: he released this mini series, The Shining, and it, you know,

655
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: is a TV mini series remake of like a cinematic masterpiece.

656
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: There's like all they bring back a lot of stuff

657
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: that just like doesn't work on screen, Like, for instance,

658
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: the ending where you know, there's a hedge maze that

659
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: they get stuck in. The thing in the book is

660
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: that it's a topiery garden with like animals like bushes

661
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: carved into animal shapes, and those animals like come to life. Uh,

662
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: and the special effects in nineteen ninety seven TV mini

663
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: series we're not up to that task.

664
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

665
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: God. Also, Danny is like horrifying invisible friend who's like

666
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: he lives in my mouth, like little kid shit possible.

667
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: That is one thing he's good as little little kids

668
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: can be scary as fuckh is actually like a flying

669
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: teenager ghost who like can do that compute like skateboarding. Yeah,

670
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: like literally, it's like it's like what if Casper from

671
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: the nineties movie Casper combined with like a teenage mutant

672
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: ninja turtle.

673
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: God and that also look like shit too, Like those

674
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: effects are they kind of do like oh yeah, yeah yeah,

675
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: the Jedi Force ghost kind Yeah yeah, exactly.

676
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: I mean it's a fucking television mini I just.

677
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: Love though that they they they know his ip is

678
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: so valuable that they're like, dude, you got we just

679
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: have to throw them this fucking grudge bone that you

680
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: can just fucking get it. Over with, so we just

681
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: get back to fucking making money and we don't care

682
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: how bad this ship is.

683
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: Just let him fucking be done with it.

684
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: Well, I remember it being like a good pitch at

685
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: the time, was like you we've all seen the shining.

686
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: That ship is like fucking crazy and scary and like

687
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: a masterpiece. The guy who wrote it thinks it sucks

688
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: compared to what he wanted to do. Sure, So, like

689
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: I remember there being like a good pitch and then

690
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: immediately everyone just being like no, no, no, no, you

691
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: don't have to watch this. I don't have to watch

692
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: this at all turned off. They even changed the here's

693
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Johnny line to just boo chops the thing and then

694
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: goes boo.

695
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 5: Was ad lib.

696
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Here's Johnny was out lived because in the book the

697
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: line was nowhere left run you cunt, So.

698
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: Holy shit, Jack nicklse is like, let me get a

699
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: couple with this one really quick.

700
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: You mind if I try a couple other ones? So

701
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: that's saying the S word. But yeah, it's exactly like

702
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: you say. You know, like what we especially in film form,

703
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: at the length of a film, we don't need our

704
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: horror monster. Like Anthony Perkins is not we don't need

705
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: him to be redeemed at the end of Psycho. We

706
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: need to be like freaked out and have seen like

707
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: the craziest ship possible like that. The thing that's cool

708
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: about The Shining is like the thing Stephen king Will

709
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: is always like there's something like profoundly evil about that movie.

710
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's what's cool, like looking for like

711
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: how some people might describe your books. Yeah, like the work,

712
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: Like you don't get to see things that are so

713
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: thoroughly evil in art. You know. There's like the painting

714
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: of that guy biting his baby's head off that is

715
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: like a clatch one.

716
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: Is that one baby head bite off?

717
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: Saturn Devourus' son is the one. I'm thinking something like that.

718
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, it's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

719
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: And it's like totally different from his other style.

720
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 6: He's just like oh nuts and like painted all these paintings.

721
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 6: I think, and I might be wrong, but like on

722
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 6: the walls of his house, like he went, you know,

723
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 6: he did some wall painting, which is always a bad sign.

724
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just hanging out Goya. He's like, hey, man,

725
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: you min if I do some can I can I

726
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: piece this wall up? Really quick, like, I don't know.

727
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, shot at it. This is my daughter's bedroom. Man,

728
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: the thing you did in the dining room is a

729
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: little edgy. No, no, no, no, this is fine.

730
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just I guess it makes sense that

731
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: he can't take himself out of it because it's him

732
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: writing about.

733
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: You know, is he just?

734
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: I mean, i'd imagine for how prolific he is, as

735
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: you know, an iconic in his contribution to like the genre,

736
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: that he probably has like a bit of an ego, right, I'm.

737
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 4: Like, I don't.

738
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: I don't know how he talks about his work enough

739
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: because it feels like one of those things where he's

740
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: somehow also being like, well, I'm a goat at writing

741
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: this shit, but he can't get over the fact that

742
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: be like, but I'm not a filmmaker, and that's okay.

743
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: He does, Well, we're going to get to he. I

744
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: think his ego peaks along with his cocaine use at

745
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: a project that we have coming up of a maximum overdrive.

746
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: That's the movie he did direct, right, I think the

747
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 4: only movie he directed.

748
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 6: Okay, And I will say it's like I understand if

749
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 6: you make something and you spend years of your life.

750
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 6: And then the thing that is made from the thing

751
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 6: is more famous than the thing, and more people see

752
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 6: the thing, Like that would be frustrating for sure.

753
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: This is just the one where I'd just be like,

754
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: let it go, man, like you lost this one. He

755
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: doesn't actually seem that often to be like such an asshole.

756
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: He just has these like weird, very specific Okay, so

757
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: he's human, Yeah, yeah, he's human. The shining He's never

758
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: been able to forgive a guy who was driving a

759
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: van who hit him in Maine. That guy died a

760
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: year later on Stephen King's birthday, and like he's just

761
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: like never really been able to forgive that guy and

762
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: has like written him into his stories in like really

763
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: insulting weird ways.

764
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 4: But the guy died on his birthday.

765
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he died of a drug overdose on his birthday,

766
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: like like later that year, I think. And it is

767
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: because like there's a dark darkness, because I remember at

768
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: the time him being openly like fuck that guy, like

769
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: just being like I don't think I've ever seen somebody

770
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: who like so clearly wished someone ill in the public.

771
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: And then the guy died of a drug overdose like

772
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: later that year.

773
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 5: And what a good plot that would be for a book,

774
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 5: like can you wish death upon someone and then you

775
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 5: actually kill them?

776
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: Right? But he seems again it's like he seems to

777
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: not be able to get the irony or something, or

778
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: like he's just shamelessly a character in that story and

779
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: it's just like, anyways, that guy was a fucking idiot.

780
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: Right year after The Shining came out, he publishes The Stand,

781
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: which a lot of people think is his greatest novel.

782
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: I think it. The stand are usually like up there

783
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: as like the ones that people think are I know,

784
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: the New Kennedy Assassination one is very popular with Stephen

785
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: King fans, but the Stand is, and The Shining I

786
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: think is up there as well. The Stand comes out,

787
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: it's this massive work. They eventually add four hundred pages

788
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: to it because, like the original version, they couldn't print

789
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: it because it would have been like too expensive to print.

790
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: So he's again he's just churning out just like fucking

791
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: the pros is flowing through him, and he later restores

792
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: it to their full length that he had in mind.

793
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: But he does it by in nineteen ninety by adding

794
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: like nineteen ninety pop culture references to like Freddy Krueger

795
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: and Roger Rabbit.

796
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 4: Which is weirdo.

797
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's this one line from Harold was now

798
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 1: holding his pistol in both hands, as he had seen

799
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: cops do in the movies. He pulled the trigger and

800
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: his bullet smashed the second man's elbow. The second man

801
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: dropped his rifle and began to dance up and down,

802
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: making high jabbering noises. To Franny, he sounded a little

803
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: like Roger Rabbit saying, please, my God, got it in,

804
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: got it there. That's how you know I wrote this

805
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety just cracks his knuckles back again.

806
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: I spoke about it. What else?

807
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: He becomes a pop culture personality, like the One of

808
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: the reasons everybody knows what he looks like is he

809
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: shows up in this uh it well, he starts going

810
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: on David Letterman. He's in a nineteen eighty five American

811
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: Express commercial. He's got a flair for the dramatic. He's

812
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: like a real ham in these commercials. He later calls

813
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: this a major regret, complaining that after that everyone in

814
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: America knew what I looked like. Wow, you know he's uh.

815
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: And was disappointed.

816
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: I will say He is supposed to be like very

817
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: cool to his fans, Like when people write to him,

818
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: he writes them back, and it's just generally like has

819
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: been pretty nice to people who are big fans of

820
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: He's also like stan Lee where he appears in his movies,

821
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: he was that yeah big time.

822
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: I don't know why I've seen Thinner so many times.

823
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 2: That's like the one weird Stephen King Rugby. I don't

824
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 2: know why, just because the one guy's lizard skin too.

825
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: His boy turns into a lizard. We're gonna get to Thinner.

826
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: His whole Richard Bachman uh persona pseudonym turns on Thinner, Okay,

827
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: but yeah, uh, he's making He's writing books that are

828
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: like before they're published, they're being turned into movies like

829
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: Kujo Christine pet Cemetery Firestarter. Pet Cemetery, by the way,

830
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: is at least partially based on like him. They moved

831
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: to a place out in like a farm, and there

832
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: was a road that like ran by the house that

833
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: animals just kept getting hit by cars on and like

834
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: just you had to keep your kids away from it.

835
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: So he just you know, he is pulling from everyday

836
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: life and like things that people should be Afraid of,

837
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: you know, other pop culture like places where he shows

838
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: up in pop culture. There's a Quantum Leap episode where

839
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: it ends with them going back in time to nineteen

840
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: sixty four to give a bespectacled teamed team named Stevie

841
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 2: King all.

842
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: Of his story ideas. I don't know why. And then

843
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand he played himself during a brief cameo

844
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: on The Simpsons, which not long after that, the cartoon

845
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: series kind of fucked up one of his books because

846
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: he wrote he was in the process of writing this

847
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 1: book Under the Dome, which is about a town being

848
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: trapped under a giant glass dome. He had been working

849
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: on it since nineteen seventy eight, and the Simpsons movie

850
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: came out in two thousand and seven and was like

851
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: that exact plot. He's like it, as they say, uh huh, Yeah,

852
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: the Simpsons did do it. But I mean, if we

853
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: believe that there is like a shared unconscious like, it

854
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: stands to reason that he and other writers would be

855
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: like pooling things out of the same idea points.

856
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Simpsons especially for like a lot of

857
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: the interesting shit that they kind of were joking about,

858
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: but then ends up becoming eerially close to reality.

859
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I want to talk about the life

860
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: and death of Richard Bachman, his secret literary alter ego,

861
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: which began with his desire to publish all the books

862
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: that had been rejected prior to Carrie. And his first

863
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: one is Getting It On, which is a story about

864
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: a school shooting, and they changed the title to Fury

865
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: because they're like that, why would it be called getting

866
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: it on? You freak?

867
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 5: Why aren't you calling it blowing and jacking?

868
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, flowing in jacket? Well, what year was that.

869
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: It's like, I think it was written before Carrie.

870
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 4: Wow.

871
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like.

872
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: Were there many examples of like kids doing stuff like that?

873
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: I mean no, maybe like University at Texas or something

874
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: is like the closest thing.

875
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: There's like, there's definitely mass shootings, but like not a

876
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: thing of like high school students like going in and

877
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: shooting up there. High school is not a thing. And

878
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: he eventually has to pull it off the shelves in

879
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: the early nineties after they're like four school shootings that

880
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: buy people who had read this book, Oh god, yeah,

881
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: and so kind of channels channels something. Yeah, yeah, I

882
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: just looked it.

883
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 6: Up and it looks like the first school shooting was

884
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 6: in nineteen sixty six, so it would make sense that

885
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 6: and it was like a big story, so I bet

886
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 6: that was the yeah.

887
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 4: Right before then it becomes like something a track in

888
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 4: our modern era. Yeah yeah, yeah, Columbine kind of thing.

889
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: But with The Stand and like, I don't know, it's

890
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: it is just interesting because like The Stand, you know,

891
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: is about a pandemic and then like years later everyone's like, fuck,

892
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: he saw it coming. The Politician in the Dead Zone

893
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: is like very Trumpian. Uh, mass shootings obviously become a

894
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: bigger thing after he writes that book, and suproducer Victor

895
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: pointed out that the ending to The Running Man, the

896
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: protagonist flies a plane into the building, killing the executive

897
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: and destroying the network. So he's he's down there. Yeah yeah,

898
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: And like I don't know, I'm just putting things out there.

899
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,959
Speaker 2: It's the cosmic gumbo man and I'm just just taking

900
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: SIPs off.

901
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, like last year there was a book, Uh,

902
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: there was an adaptation of The Running Man and The

903
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: Long Walk, which we're both Bachmann books, and yeah, he

904
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: I think it was like five different books that came

905
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: out being written by Bachmann they weren't like massive hits.

906
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: I will say, like I think he was like, I'm

907
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: just going to put these out there under a different

908
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: name and they'll be just you know, it'll prove that

909
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: these publishers don't know shit. And it was like they

910
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: were this guy could probably make a living long term, sure,

911
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: not like barely if he was just an author.

912
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: So it really was just like the overflow pseudonym he

913
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: used to. It was just it's a Bachmann joint and

914
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: it was the Yeah, it was the rejected pile. It

915
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 2: does kind of remind me of like.

916
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: The George Lucas thing where during the original trilogy he's

917
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: like furious about the studio notes and then he finally

918
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: gets to do all the stuff he wanted to, like

919
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: his way with the prequels. Yeah, in this one, it's

920
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: just she's, well, what about these ones that they didn't

921
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: want and people are like, yeah, no, they're there are

922
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: they're not as good as the ones they did want.

923
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: They were they still wanted them.

924
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 4: Huh.

925
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: So, So He's Got Thinner is a Bachmann book, and

926
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: it's when it's about to come out a bookstore clerk realizes, like,

927
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: first of all, it's the first one that like really

928
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: feels like a Stephen King book, and because it's like

929
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: about a curse and stuff like that, it's also has

930
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: like some pretty lazy racism because at one point, yes,

931
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: at one point, so the book is about a guy

932
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: who runs over an elderly Romani woman while getting a

933
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: hand job, loves jack in and hand jobs and all

934
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: that stuff, and ends up being cursed. And for the

935
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: scenes in which the characters speak Romani, he just exerted

936
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: random text from Swedish language versions of his books. Like

937
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: he didn't even like bother trying. He was just like, yeah,

938
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: just take this like lauram Ipsom essentially. Wait, so we're

939
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: like that doesn't that's not even a thing. He's like, ah,

940
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: my bad, my bad, I get.

941
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: Wait, so it's just Swedish basically. Yeah, He's like that

942
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: looks like some weird ship. So that'll Fulham.

943
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably thought Romani people were like an invention, like

944
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 6: not a real thing, horror, nobody knows what they sound like.

945
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

946
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like els Morelda from from Note from the

947
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: Hunchback of Notre Dame.

948
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 4: That these what the heck are these characters? Yeah, because

949
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,959
Speaker 4: I remember that the guy who played her.

950
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: Dad was just like a I don't know what this

951
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 2: guy was based on, but he always called him white

952
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: Man from town.

953
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 4: That was his nickname. He's like, hey, white man from town.

954
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: And that was the thing we used to call one

955
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: of our teachers behind that man from town.

956
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 4: Okay, white man from town.

957
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: But a bookstore. Clairek blows the case wide open when

958
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: he discovers that the copyrights to the last four Bachmann

959
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: books were registered in the name of King's agent, and

960
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: a copyright to Rage was actually in King's name. So

961
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: he just looked at it. They were like, oh, wait

962
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: a second, they didn't do a great job on that.

963
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: He never he never did like a true Chris Gaines thing, right,

964
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: He never like appeared as Richard Bachman. Yeah. The headshot

965
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: that they used was like his publisher's friend.

966
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 4: Oh okay, So there.

967
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: Was okay, But it would be so funny if to

968
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: Stephen King just like a dumb beard or something.

969
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 6: Just like a swoopy looking Chris Gaines.

970
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: He So the plan was to do Thinner as a

971
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: Bachman and then Misery was going to be the next

972
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: Bachman and that probably would have like Misery was probably

973
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: going to be a bestseller. One way or another. And

974
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: so if that, if those meddling kids hadn't found out

975
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: who it was under the Richard Bachman mask, he might

976
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: have been able to kind of actually build a career

977
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: for for Bachman.

978
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 4: But that as he aspired to do though, Yeah.

979
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: I think he wanted to, but also maybe was getting

980
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: tired of doing it. Thinner sold around twenty eight thousand

981
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: copies before the Bachman identity was revealed, and then after

982
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: that it sold ten times as much.

983
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 5: So Stephen King is such a better name.

984
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

985
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, Richard Bachman is just Kyler.

986
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: The Richard Bachmann thing. He was like in his room

987
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: and he was like, I had a Bachman Turner Overdrive

988
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: or whatever.

989
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 4: I was going to say, is that.

990
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just pulled it off that album. And then

991
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: Richard was the name of like one of the authors

992
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: on his shelf, and he just look.

993
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 5: Things.

994
00:56:51,600 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeahzer Hendrix, Beezer Hendrix. What is that which brings us

995
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: to Maximum Overdrive which aka cocaine the movie Overdrive?

996
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, He's just pulling things off the shelf

997
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: Maximum Overdrive. Okay, So, as we've referenced so far, in

998
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: addition to chugging excessive amounts of beer and Nike will

999
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: In the eighties, he formed a cocaine Habit does not

1000
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: remember writing Kujo, which he says, I'll just read from

1001
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: I think this is hit from his on writing memoir.

1002
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: At the end of my adventures, I was drinking a

1003
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: case of sixteen outs Tall Boys a night. And there's

1004
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: one novel, Kujo that I barely remember writing at all.

1005
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't say that with pride or shame, only with

1006
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: a vague sense of sorrow and loss. I like that book.

1007
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember enjoying the good parts as

1008
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: I put them down on the page. And he described

1009
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: cocaine as his on switch. As mentioned, he's my on switch,

1010
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: face with cocaine. One snort, and it owned me body

1011
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: and soul, like the missing link. Cocaine was my on switch,

1012
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: and it seemed like a really good energizing drug. That's

1013
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: how it feels at first. By the end, he is

1014
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: a mess. He decides to make this movie Maximum Overdrive

1015
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: the pitch. His whole reason for wanting to make it

1016
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: is that he wanted to put Bruce Springsteen in a movie.

1017
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: And he's like, Bruce Springsteen's gonna star in this movie

1018
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: about cars. Bruce Springsteen does haunting songs about cars. This

1019
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: is about haunted cars. And then they're like, no, we're

1020
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: gonna do Amelio Esteveez instead. He's like, fuck it, I

1021
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: don't even want to do that. I don't even care anymore.

1022
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 5: I just wanted to meet Bruce.

1023
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, said Bruce.

1024
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 4: I mean you could just you guys have the same publicist. Yeah, right, Wow,

1025
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 4: he really wanted to. That is that's dedication and that's proba.

1026
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: Do you think you just listening to a bunch of

1027
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen while writing this high on cocaine and he's like, yeah, man.

1028
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: Is really like inspired by very mainstream pop music, Like

1029
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: he the shining came from uh the chorus to Instant Karma,

1030
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: the John Lennon will We All Shine? All? Oh yeah,

1031
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: that's where he got. He was like he was really

1032
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: into the Beatles. I remember there being like a Beatles

1033
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: quote in Carrie.

1034
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna Shining Star by Earth Wind

1035
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: and Fire. Yeah, that'd be so funny. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1036
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: something here.

1037
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: But I'd say this is probably Maximum Overdrive or Tommy

1038
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: Knocker is his novel about aliens who are cocaine. Well,

1039
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that, but maxim Overdrive is just like great,

1040
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: you know if the first early part of his career

1041
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: is like man cocaine really working for this guy. This

1042
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: is a good illustration, like where it where it lands you,

1043
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: let's sleep, deprivation, creativity. So it's based on his short

1044
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: story Trucks, which was published in a nineteen seventy three

1045
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: issue of Cavalier. The story is about a group of

1046
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: strangers trapped together in a freeway truck stop diner who

1047
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: must eventually try to combat a posse of killer vehicles.

1048
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: This is just three years after he wrote Christine, which

1049
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: is another evil car movie that had already become a movie,

1050
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: and he's like, nah, fuck it, we're doing this one.

1051
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: In Maximum Overdrive, every machine on earth becomes mad at

1052
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: people and like starts trying to kill them. There's like

1053
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: a part where soda machine like nails someone in the

1054
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: nuts with like a with a soda can.

1055
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 4: Just launching cans out they launching.

1056
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wrote that, wrote he wrote that.

1057
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 5: Shit America's funniest toy I know.

1058
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: But it's like before that, he's like, yes, this is

1059
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: fucking yes, Steven More dude, Fuck what else?

1060
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 4: What can a waffle iron.

1061
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: Do I do know that a lot of people die

1062
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: each year from having soda machines tip over on them?

1063
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: So uh you know, yeah, yeah, saying. The movie opens

1064
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: with this paragraph. On June nineteenth, nineteen eighty seven, at

1065
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: nine to forty seven am Eastern Time, the Earth passed

1066
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: into the extraordinarily diffuse Tale of Rhea M, a rogue comet.

1067
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: According to astronomical calculations, the planet would remain in the

1068
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: tail of the comet for the next eight days, five hours,

1069
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: twenty nine minutes, and twenty three seconds. And then like

1070
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: that's the only explanation we get for just like going

1071
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: through a comet's tale is why? Is why this is happening?

1072
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: The next shot we get as an ATM calling a

1073
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: person played by Stephen King an asshole. He's at the ATM,

1074
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: and it just says you are an ass home U.

1075
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: Then I do just we got to play this trailer

1076
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: real quick?

1077
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 4: Okay?

1078
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: Oh no, bro, he's talking to the Why is it

1079
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: still him breaking the fourth wall pointing at us. You

1080
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: snorted my cocaine, didn't you.

1081
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: Okay, here, nobody snorted his cocaine but him.

1082
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 8: I my name is Stephen King. Oh no, I've written

1083
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Speaker 8: several motion pictures, but I want to tell you about

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01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 8: a movie called Maximum Overdrive.

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01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: How clogged up are his sinuses? He's why, dude? And

1086
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: when do you suald? Like you can't even breathe out

1087
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 2: of your nose that you bore because he said that

1088
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 2: you wrote nerd.

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01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: You know, he said he wrote Tommy Knockers at this

1090
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: time with both of his nostrils stuffed up because to

1091
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: stop his like cocaine and those bleeds like you old

1092
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: my book with like shit just like pramming his nose.

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01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, back to your on switch, sir, which is

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01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: the first one I've directed.

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01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: Wow, dickens going on around here?

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01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 8: A lot of people have directed Stephen King novels and stories,

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 8: and I finally decided, if you want something done right,

1098
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 8: you want to do it yourself.

1099
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, brother, did you see the look he.

1100
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: Smiles and like crosses his eyes. He's like, I'm on

1101
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: one f I don't know.

1102
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 4: Also, that's weirdly Smith voice from The Simpsons.

1103
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 8: It was my first picture as a director, and you

1104
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 8: know something, I sort of enjoyed it.

1105
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: Oh what is happening when he perfun?

1106
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay, I wanted someone to do. Stephen king Wright,

1107
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 4: you you got whoa heap firing a bazooka.

1108
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 8: Here, So come and spend some time with me and

1109
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 8: my friends at the Dixie Boy, spend some time in

1110
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 8: the dark.

1111
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm going to scare the hell out of you.

1112
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 7: And that's a promise.

1113
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: You're going to get us an awful lot of trouble.

1114
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: Man.

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01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 4: We are ready trouble, maximum terror, Maximum king Maybe tomorrow

1116
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 4: will be our world again. Dino de Laurentis presents Stephen

1117
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 4: kings over Drive. Wow.

1118
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: Wow, he got contact, He got contacts and was like, yeah,

1119
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm a movie star.

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01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: A little it looked like he was having trouble with that.

1121
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 2: I swear I'm coming to It's so funny because I

1122
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: feel like so much like there's been so much comedic stuff.

1123
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: I feel like based off of that, I feel like

1124
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: like Garth FERENGHI like like and like the Matthew Berry

1125
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: stuff like has a tinge of this weird like I'm

1126
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: talking to you.

1127
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: And I'm weird. This is after Kubrick and Brian de

1128
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: Palma have like famously adapted his movies into like massive hits,

1129
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: like Yeah, if cocaine was a sentence, it would be.

1130
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: I finally decided, if you want something done right, you

1131
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: gotta do it yourself about like directing doing something that

1132
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: he's like already at this point knows he's bad at.

1133
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: Like one of the things he did during the making

1134
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: of this is he demanded for this show that had

1135
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: a killer lawnmower coming after people, he demanded that they

1136
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: leave blades in the lawnmower. And the people are like,

1137
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: that's not really how it's done, Steven, and he's like,

1138
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: too bad, We're leaving it in there. And it like

1139
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: caused like the lawnmower hit a piece of wood and

1140
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: like sent splinters into the director of photography's eyes and like, babe,

1141
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: my suit suit. The production for eighteen million dollars and yeah,

1142
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: I think they got seven O.

1143
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:36,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that is a little scene. Yeah, to fuck

1144
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 7: up a dp's eyeballs. Like the thing they make their

1145
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 7: money with their fucking.

1146
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 4: Eyes is.

1147
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, the blades to be real?

1148
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: You know you didn't. Yeah, that's the amazing thing. The law.

1149
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: So just after the cinematographer suggested removing them because they

1150
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: weren't visible, and the he allegedly responded, there's no fucking

1151
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: way we have to be as real as possible. A

1152
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: really good point, actually very well reasoned, and the walmower

1153
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: ended up being souped up to the point of climbing

1154
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: up a wooden wedge and shredding it, sending one of

1155
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: the splinters directly into the cinematographer's eyes, the eyes of

1156
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: the eye who was specifically like, we don't need to

1157
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: do this, and.

1158
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 4: Okay, it's got to be as real as possible.

1159
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: We're not.

1160
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 4: No one's it's not checking if the grass is mode

1161
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 4: behind it, nah, danger man.

1162
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: So he got sober right after this. Tabitha raided his

1163
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: drug supply and was like, hey, there's so many plastic

1164
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: bags with cocaine residue on it here and cocaine spoons everywhere,

1165
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: loaded all into a garbage can and with like their

1166
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: kids and friends around, like unloaded the can on the floor.

1167
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, the fuck is this?

1168
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 4: Oh like just did like a paraphernalia pile to be like, yeah, wow.

1169
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 5: Do we know if she knew about it the rest

1170
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 5: of the time or if she just found out it.

1171
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: I think she just didn't know how serious it was. Yeah, yeah,

1172
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: you know, And then like went through all his like

1173
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: the stash. Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure like it's like, well, I.

1174
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 2: Mean he is functioning like he's making stuff and he's working,

1175
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 2: and I guess.

1176
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: It turned into the world's biggest asshole.

1177
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 2: But then probably just didn't wasn't saying it's like, why

1178
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: do you have both those holes stuffed up?

1179
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 4: Steven? Just real bad allergies again, babe, they just real bad.

1180
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, went through the bookcases and found tucked into file

1181
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: folders and underneath unopened office supplies the drug paraphernalia.

1182
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 4: So I'm good for it.

1183
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 2: I mean, typically, like like with like these kinds of

1184
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 2: people who end up famous get access to a lot

1185
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 2: of drugs and start losing it, Like, there's usually one

1186
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 2: more step down further where I'm glad that they're.

1187
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 4: Like, hey, what the fuck, bro, what's going on?

1188
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, all right, it was just blinding a

1189
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 5: DP with a lot yeah.

1190
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: Down the direct maximum overdrive and preface it by being like,

1191
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,839
Speaker 1: I figure, you want something done right, you do it yourself.

1192
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 4: This is how you blind a guy.

1193
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: Hey, dipoma, check this shit out, blinde buddy, this movie

1194
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: fucking stinks.

1195
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 4: Check this out. Motherfucker continues to eat ship.

1196
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: So he writes it around this time he writes Misery,

1197
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: which a lot of people he has said was an

1198
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: allegorical representation of cocaine and booze. And he said that

1199
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: he didn't know if he would be able to write

1200
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: after he quit drinking and using drugs, but decided that

1201
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: he would trade writing for staying married and watching his

1202
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: kids grow up. So that's Steven pretty pretty good work

1203
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: on his part.

1204
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 4: Again. Yeah, the only blinded a guy, but.

1205
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: Some weird did not seem to slow him down at all. Yeah.

1206
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: By the way, he's just like kept churning out wheelbarrows

1207
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,560
Speaker 1: full of novel. You know, people have pointed out that

1208
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: he has a problem with the magical negro trope. Like

1209
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: in Shawshank. I would say I didn't think Red was

1210
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: necessarily fit that, but Red was actually named Red because

1211
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: he was an Irish guy in the book. He e

1212
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: racist Irish guy at that who would say the end

1213
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: word a lot. As for the characters who were black

1214
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: in Stephen King's books, you have people like the Green

1215
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: Miles John Coffee, who can heal your urinary tract infection

1216
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: by the gentle touch. The gentle touch, the Dick hallerm

1217
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: from the from the Shining Mother Abigail from the stand.

1218
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: So it's definitely a thing that he's he's not not

1219
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: great at.

1220
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I'm not surprised. Yeah, probbly like

1221
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 4: you're right, what you know? And I don't know any

1222
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 4: black exactly.

1223
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly it.

1224
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's probably mythical, is the romani people.

1225
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. Like it's like, I got this, I

1226
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 2: think I know how to write this.

1227
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:38,839
Speaker 1: Character grabs random rap lyrics from yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly genius.

1228
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: So nineteen ninety nine, he becomes the subject of a

1229
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: major national news story after he's struck by a van

1230
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 1: nearly killed while going for a walk, and this a

1231
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: lot of people pointed very similar to Misery, which begins

1232
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: with an author of suffering and immobilizing injury after a

1233
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: car accident, and then the guy dies. Less than a

1234
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: year later, on Stephen King's birthday, Stephen King bought the

1235
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: van that hit him for fifteen hundred dollars with the

1236
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: intention of personally beating it to pieces with a sledgehammer,

1237
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: and then eventually just had somebody else destroy it.

1238
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 4: I thought he was going to like desecrate the guy's

1239
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 4: grave who hit him with the truck or something. He's

1240
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 4: just being so petty, He's like.

1241
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: So he officially said he was very sorry to hear

1242
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: about this guy's death, but then he shoehorned that guy

1243
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 1: into one of his books four years later, in which

1244
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: the guy was like, I think he has him. He

1245
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: like he's portrayed as a reckless and particularly stupid person

1246
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: who hits and kills a child who saves King well

1247
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: high and yeah, it's like the guy was on a

1248
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: number of drugs at the time of the accident, but

1249
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,879
Speaker 1: they were all like prescribed drugs, including prozac and ballium,

1250
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: and that may have impaired his driving. But King's depiction

1251
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 1: of this guy who hit him as like a simpleton

1252
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: looking for Mars's bars to quell the munchies is not

1253
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: not accurate and.

1254
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 5: Much like all the time, right, I know exactly, like also.

1255
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: As a former addict, like have a little fucking.

1256
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 5: How injured did he get? Like was this really likely?

1257
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: Like he was in he was in the hospital for

1258
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: like I think a month, a full month. Oh yeah, yeah,

1259
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: so I get it wasn't like a minor inconvenience, like

1260
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: he was almost killed, but like let it go, man.

1261
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, some non authors can like hold grudges for a

1262
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 6: long time and nobody knows about it.

1263
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 3: Right.

1264
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 2: When your job is to write what's going on down

1265
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 2: all the time, it's like kind of seeping into your work.

1266
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: Stephen one place where he has a bit of a

1267
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: sadistic streak that I kind of enjoyed was he held

1268
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: an eBay auction in which the winning bidder would have

1269
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: a character named after them in his book, The Cell

1270
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: not one of his most popular ones. It's about a

1271
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: magical cell phone. I'd say technology also a place where

1272
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: he struggles. But the winner was Pam Zinga Alexander, the

1273
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: daughter of Miami Dolphins owner h Wayne Hazinga, and she

1274
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: opted to have a character named after her brother Ray,

1275
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: And a character named Ray Hazenga shows up in the novel,

1276
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: helps the heroes, and then shoots himself in the head.

1277
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 5: I didn't say what was gonna happen?

1278
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: Well, well I've been.

1279
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, any character you want I'll name after yeah?

1280
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 6: Right?

1281
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 2: Oh good, Yeah, I love that I've been. Ray makes

1282
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: no sense right with the or? Is it because like

1283
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: the phones are making people do? And I'm guessing, yeah,

1284
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 2: I guess I just love the You like someone being

1285
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 2: so excited, Ray You're gonna be in the book, And

1286
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 2: it's like, what, what's with this like ten page description

1287
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 2: of how he was like shitting himself?

1288
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1289
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: What. The one cool thing that he does is that

1290
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: he has a thing called the Dollar Baby Program, which

1291
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: he allows any aspiring filmmaker to option his stories for

1292
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: adaptation for one dollar. And like the there are some

1293
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: strict stipulations. This ended in twenty twenty three after forty years,

1294
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: but like you had to send the movie to him

1295
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: so he could watch it. But wait, it is kind

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Speaker 1: of a cool thing. So there's like tons and tons

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Speaker 1: of like student films made out of Stephen King novels.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'd say the one thing, like again, guy's

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Speaker 1: got the guy can really write. He's got a really

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01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: great sense of the shared unconsciousness, the fears we all have.

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01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: His grasp of slang. However, I just want to from

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen's revival, the old soda Burger was stepping dynamite

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01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: back then Stepan Nitro, Huh that was that's I think

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01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: meant to be someone who is hot. From what I

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01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: can tell, a character describing a woman who he thinks

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01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: is hot is saying she's stepping dynamite.

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01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 6: Is it supposed to be happening in a different time

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01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 6: like this supposed to be old slang?

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Speaker 5: Or is it supposed to be twenty fourteen slang?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's old people talking about

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01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: something that happened before they call. He says, somebody is

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01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: as gay as old dad's hat band. From the kid,

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01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: what is that band like to stand around a hat like?

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01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 2: Said something you'd adorn your hat with that must That's

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01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 2: the only way I could even think of it making

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01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: any kind of sense. But again, such dated terminology.

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01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 6: Uh.

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01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: A kid from the stand for some reason keeps saying

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01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: happy crappy. So hey boy, the kid says, cors beer

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01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: is the only beer I'd pissed cords if I could

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: you believe that? Happy crappy? And it's just like never

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01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: clear what that even means?

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Speaker 4: See what the fuck?

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01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, he just he doesn't He's always talking about

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01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: sucking eggs. He really thinks about sucking eggs a lot. Yeah,

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01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: think kids talk about sucking eggs a lot. Suck an

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: egg where didn't even come from? We're magging your shoe

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01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 1: and beat it is what a twelve year old says

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01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: at one point in one of those things and.

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01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,520
Speaker 4: Ruined your socks. No thanks, I just darned my stockings.

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Speaker 1: He also refers to breasts. This is the last thing

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Speaker 1: that I'll that I'll mention about. For some reason, his

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01:17:53,479 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: favorite term for boobs is jihoubies, like that of rules

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01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: you multiple times in Salem's Lot. It's also in The

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01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: Long Walk, which, like, I can't believe nobody noticed that

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01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 1: here the same person as Richard Bachman, Like no, everyone

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01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: calls him jahoobies uh, and doctor sleep like recently, like

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01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: it's just spans his career as the thing?

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01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 4: Is this like a purely like a Stephen king ism?

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01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 6: Uh?

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01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 4: Is this like a main thing?

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 6: Like?

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01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 4: Was he the only one?

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01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, man, jahobies, like he's saying it to

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01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 2: other guys and like, dude, what, No, I never I never.

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Speaker 4: Heard of that?

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01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 5: Ry Shakespearean Again, he's running.

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01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: Did you know that houbies was not a term until

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01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: Stephen King used to.

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Speaker 5: Factoids for English class?

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: All right, anything that you guys wanted to talk about

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01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: about Stephen King that we didn't get to but I missed.

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01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Miles. I know you just really

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01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: wanted me to hit the Jihuvis thing.

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Speaker 2: So I that's so, that's so wonderful to hear. I'm

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01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: just I'm actually just it's I don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't.

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01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 2: I again, like I said, I had such a superficial

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01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: knowledge of Stephen King and his work and aside from

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01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 2: just like the sort of like major points, but I

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01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: am it is interesting to just see somebody get through

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01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 2: an eighties cocaine addiction somewhat intact. Yeah, I think is

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01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 2: pretty impressive. I feel like any other people that have

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01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: like one of those eras, it's like it gets way

1365
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 2: worse than merely just like unfortunately worse than blinding DP

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01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 2: with a lawnmower like he seems. I just it also

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01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 2: just like as as I'm hearing all this to him,

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01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: like damn he really there must have been so many

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01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 2: people that were acting as the guardrails on his career

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01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: that he might not even realize too.

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Speaker 1: Habita was doing some load bearing work all through his career.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the Jesus in the footsteps on the scene. Yeah,

1373
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 2: it Tabitha carrying your ass the whole time.

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01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,560
Speaker 1: So one set of footsteps, either the footprints in the

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01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: mound of cocaine stretching behind us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was me, right.

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Speaker 6: I will also say that I really do we joke

1378
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 6: and he's got his problems. But I love Stephen King

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01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 6: and I love his work, and I feel like I

1380
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 6: owe him a lot, just as someone who's such a

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01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 6: huge horror fan. I mean, yeah, it is one of

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01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 6: my favorite movies, one of my favorite books, and he's

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01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 6: just a fantastic writer. And you said that it's like

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01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 6: the level that he's at being like a grocery store

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01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 6: writer if we call him that, Like his books are

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01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 6: among like writers that I don't think are quite as good.

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01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 6: He is a fantastic writer. That man can paint a picture.

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01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,560
Speaker 6: Sometimes he goes on a little long with his descriptions,

1389
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 6: but I just want to give Stephen some love because

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01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 6: we owe him a lot. He's a huge architect of

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01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 6: American culture and as well, you know, and in addition

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01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 6: are the people who helped him along the way and

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01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 6: made sure that.

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Speaker 1: He absolutely and like I would say, a student, a

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01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: student of culture in a way that I obviously respect

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01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: him absolutely one of the things that I find most interesting,

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01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: and he's very good at it. I wish he was

1398
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: not so hard like was not so definitive and like

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01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 1: being dismissive of certain people.

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Speaker 4: But when you get to the summit, though, you can

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01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 4: talk like that.

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01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: You know.

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01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 2: I just want to shout out how strong his jeans are.

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01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 2: This is his son, Yes, yes, these kids. I love

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01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 2: how this kid the his This one is the name Joe,

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01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm going by Joe Hill. Bro, don't

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01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 2: even don't even curse me with this last name.

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01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, good for you, man.

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01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 6: You did make kind of a slightly hotter version of himself,

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01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 6: which is always impressive.

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01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: And there we go. Yeah, Victor's requesting that we do

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01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: a movie night where we watch The Shining and Maximum

1413
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: over Drive back to back. Understand, Yeah, let's see who's

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01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 1: really fine?

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01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 4: Bye, I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's do it.

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01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 1: Chelsea. Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you

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01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: all that good stuff?

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01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for having me, you guys, this was

1419
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 5: really fun.

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01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 6: You can really just find me on American Hysteria wherever

1421
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 6: you get your podcasts Instagram at American Hysteria podcast And

1422
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 6: that's about it. Just listen to the show if you

1423
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 6: like this conversation. We talk a lot about horror movies

1424
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 6: and a lot about kind of strange history, freaky history,

1425
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 6: and social.

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01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 5: Issues as well.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Miles, how about you find me everywhere?

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01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: But fine, check out the new show I'm doing Ain't

1429
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: at footy where I talk about soccer, European soccer, one

1430
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,839
Speaker 2: of my other passions, which because it's unfortunately not horror,

1431
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,799
Speaker 2: but I do like yelling at sportball abroad.

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01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 4: It feels classy or somehow.

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01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: Like if there's a correlation between people who don't watch

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01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: horror and do watch sports, it's like that's where you

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01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: get your heart raising, you know. It's like, well, I

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01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: get my beat up by watching sports and just having

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01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: my life endage by my team sucking.

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01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know how to do light limbic system hijack

1439
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: as I watched something. Yeah, yeah for sure. Maybe maybe,

1440
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: or maybe because I just don't have God in my.

1441
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 4: Life, I don't want to.

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01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to be back after this next

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01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: break with the no no not all right. That was

1444
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: our Stephen King conversation. This is the no no, no

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01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: no note book don't don't don't where we get to

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01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: the stuff that I forgot to mention from the notes

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01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: or didn't have time to or in this case, a

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01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: question that Miles had that I didn't answer. He asked

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01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: for the fact, which is how much money does Stephen

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01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: King have? Good question that I'm sure is on a

1451
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: lot of people's minds. According to his Wikipedia I think

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01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: is where I found this. He's pulling end or his

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01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: net worth is five hundred million dollars a few years ago,

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01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: which means A did it incredibly well for himself, and

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01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: B he did a lot of cocaine, because he should

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01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: actually have more money than that. Jk Rowling has I

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01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: think two billion dollars by contrast, and Stephen King sold

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01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: I think four hundred million copies of his books. Jk

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01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: Rowling is at like six hundred million. So but you know,

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01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,839
Speaker 1: hers all in a short period of time, fewer chances

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01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: to dig in and get new contracts. He's a total machine,

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01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: so he's probably feel like he should have as much

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01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: money as her. But she also doesn't have her career

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01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: at a key point fueled by a massively expensive cocaine problem.

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01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 1: She's also another thing that tends to be good for capitalism,

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01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: which is a fucking asshole, so that that could be

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01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: how she's pulling down how her net worth is like

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01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: four X. What Stephen King's is is you know, Stephen

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01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: King donates I think four million dollars a year to libraries,

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01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 1: local fire departments that need updated life saving equipment, and

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Speaker 1: other organizations that underwrite the arts. So good being a

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01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: good human being bad for your ability to be a billionaire.

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01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: But you know, shout out to you, Stephen King, for

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01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: being the sort of person, bad capitalist, good person. Next,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about how he fits into a

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01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: thing a theme that we come back to every once

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01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: in a while, which is the question of you know,

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01:25:55,800 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: these people with incredible careers, like did they do it

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01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: all at like one really prolific period or is it

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01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: like across a long period of time. This first came

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01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: up in the Einstein episode. Einstein we picture as an

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01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 1: old man, but he published all of his most groundbreaking

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01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,839
Speaker 1: ideas for the first time in like a few months

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01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: in his late twenties. I think. Yeah, his twenty sixth

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01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: year is called his miracle year. And we've talked about

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01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton writing Joe Lene and I Will Always Love You,

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01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: possibly on the same day, but certainly very close to

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01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: one another. And I will say, you know, Stephen King

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01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: would seem to be the opposite of that. Right, he

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01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: does have a pretty consistent and long career, but the

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01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 1: stories that seem to have really like dug into our

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01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:53,879
Speaker 1: shared consciousness were the ones he had I think waiting,

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01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: like he describes I think I mentioned this in the

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01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: conversation that like he describes the stories coming out of

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01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: him at his most prolific period as like kind of

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01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: being in line at a revolving door, and like, you know,

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01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: he only has time to like do one at a time,

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01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: but like all these different characters and stories have been

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01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: waiting there. You know, I think he was working on

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01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: the Long Walk, superducer Victor said in his like when

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01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: he was in high school. And so this idea of

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01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: when people do their best work with King, you have

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01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: the appearance of the steadiness. But he's had these story

1504
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,560
Speaker 1: ideas in his head. And so it's kind of a

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01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: combination of the two. It's you know, he's been working

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01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: on these stories and said the process of writing them

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01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: was like a traffic jam of best sellers, just sitting

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01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 1: at the door to his brain waiting for his fingers

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01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 1: to let them out on the shining. Just a couple

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01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: of details on that one. They so they changed the

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01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: room number, and so in his book it was two seventeen.

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01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: In the movie, it's two thirty seven. And in the

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01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: amazing documentary Room two thirty seven you're told that this

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01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,839
Speaker 1: is because it's The Shining is secretly about Stanley Kubrick

1515
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: faking the moon landing, because the moon is obviously two

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01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven thousand miles from Earth. But they

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01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: so apparently they wrote a book about the making of

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01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: The Shining, and there is a letter from the set

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01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: of the movie. Basically the head of the hotel is

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01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 1: begging Kubrick to change the room from two seventeen to

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01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: two thirty seven because two seventeen is a real room

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01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 1: and they're already getting hit up by turists asking to

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01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: see room two seventeen, like even before they've completed the film,

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01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: so ask them to change it. Like you can literally

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01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: see the letter where they're like, I don't know, change

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01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: it to two thirty seven, two forty seven, two fifty

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01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: seven whatever. Just can't be one that's an actual room number.

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01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: And presumably because two thirty seven is the first one

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01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,560
Speaker 1: he put on the list, that's what they went with

1530
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: in terms of his drinking and drug use. Again, just

1531
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: want to go back to this idea because I definitely

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01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: don't want to give the impression that, like the quality

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01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: of his work was driven by cocaine use. I would say,

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01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, he said that he would write sober during

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01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 1: the day and edit what he had set down while

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01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: drinking at night, which is the opposite of the right

1537
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 1: drunk edit sober maxim that's been attributed to Hemingway. In fact,

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01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: that is false. Hemingway said that he would never drink

1539
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: when he wrote, and he was like that my work

1540
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: is too important for that. He also talked shit about

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01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: I think it was Faulkner and was like, you can

1542
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: actually see on the page when Faulkner's had his second

1543
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: drink because his pros gets sloppy. But basically, you know,

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01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: I think Stephen King has essentially said he drank because

1545
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: he liked drinking. He used drugs because he liked the

1546
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: way drugs made him feel, and then he justified it

1547
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 1: to himself as a thing that helped him do his job.

1548
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: Because he basically said that it's like self serving bullshit.

1549
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: You want to continue to use drugs, so you tell

1550
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: yourself a lie that it makes you better at doing

1551
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: your job. Not true. In his experience. Definitely not true

1552
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: in my experience, I would say. And then we also

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01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: have kind of vaguely tangentially related to his drug use.

1554
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: We have an anecdote from the great Christy Amagucci Maine,

1555
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: one of our great TDZ aka writer is very funny

1556
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: TDZ guest host of the podcast Short Center. His dad

1557
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: worked on four different Stephen King movies as a key grip,

1558
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:55,600
Speaker 1: and one of those movies was Maximum Overdrive, and he

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01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: has a couple of anecdotes from that. So on the

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01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: set of Maximum Overdrive, it precisely ten am Stephen King

1561
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: would say to his assistant something like good to go,

1562
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: and the assistant would get on the walkie talkie and say,

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01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: Steven will have the special now, and someone would bring

1564
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 1: him a boiler maker with vodka, because you know, when

1565
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,839
Speaker 1: the coffee is not strong enough, you need a boiler

1566
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: maker with vodka, and presumably like two highway lane markers

1567
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: sized lines of cocaine. And then, speaking of presumable cocaine use,

1568
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: he also had this anecdote from a recent crew screening

1569
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: of Maximum Overdrive, as told by one of the grips.

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01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: I think he said his name is Joe Delesandro, who

1571
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 1: said that King was in negotiations to do maximum at

1572
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: the Wilmington, North Carolina Studios as long as the owner,

1573
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 1: the Italian filmmaker named Dino de Larentis, a legend legendary

1574
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 1: film producer who made a bunch of like Arnold Schwarzenegger

1575
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 1: movies and stuff, as long as delrent has let him

1576
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 1: direct it, and dealerent was like, I don't know, man, Like,

1577
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 1: why would I let this rider direct it? And one

1578
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 1: day the security guard called Delorentis on his walkie talking

1579
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,640
Speaker 1: and said, sir, there's a gentleman on a motorcycle here

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01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: to see you. And he's like, tell him, I'm not available.

1581
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,719
Speaker 1: Why are you talking to me? The guards like, he says,

1582
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,560
Speaker 1: his name is Stephen King. And it turned out that

1583
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,719
Speaker 1: Stephen King had just gotten on his motorcycle and driven

1584
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 1: down the East Coast from Maine and also got the

1585
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 1: idea of how he wanted the trucks to look in

1586
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: the movie while on the ride. I just I love

1587
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: the idea that he's in negotiations to make the movie

1588
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: and then just drives all night on a motorcycle, arrives

1589
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: like six states away without warning, without announcing himself again,

1590
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: very cocaine coded behavior and to be like, I've driven

1591
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: my motorcycle in a straight line without sleeping, and I

1592
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: funny enough, I got great ideas for the movie on

1593
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: my Way down Chef's Kiss. Cocaine encoded behavior. Turns out

1594
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: those ideas not that good. All right, that's gonna do

1595
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 1: it for Stephen King. Next week we have Jason Pargin

1596
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: on to talk about how we landed on one of

1597
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 1: the most iconic logos of our time, a iconic mythological figure.

1598
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: It is the default alien face, big head, big oakley,

1599
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: wrap around, black eyes, tiny nosed, tiny mouth, slick back

1600
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 1: hair type jeans known as the Grays among alien enthusiasts,

1601
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: but it's the you know, the default alien. How that happened?

1602
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: That's coming a week from today. More zekeeist in the meantime,

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01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to y'all then By