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Speaker 1: noon Eastern without further ado. Here's this week's episode. Welcome In.

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Speaker 1: Welcome In. It's a Late Round Fantasy Football show.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I am just stoked to be here right now. JJ,

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Speaker 2: how are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm you know, it's been a stressful week

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Speaker 1: and a half, did some traveling. Went to the motherland

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Speaker 1: a great time. And then you know, you go for

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Speaker 1: We've teased a little bit, but.

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Speaker 2: I'll let you go ahead and reveal what the big

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Speaker 1: So the big news, folks, is that there is a

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Speaker 1: brand new Lateround dot com and it is currently live.

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Speaker 1: We've been working on this for the last five or

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Speaker 1: I worked with one of the owners back in my

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Speaker 1: the years. Uh, it's crazy that it's already been like

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Speaker 2: again you'll be getting We already have some questions in

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Speaker 2: if you've already purchased an annual plan, you'll receive a

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Speaker 2: JJ not to be outdone, but we also have the

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Speaker 1: That's right, Wow, Yeah, right now you can.

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Speaker 2: You can you can order the Draft Guide. Pre order

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Speaker 2: the Draft Guide if you're if that's your cup of tea.

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Speaker 1: Sean Tucker is more of the traditional bruiser on that team,

432
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,959
Speaker 1: so like he has some role. It's just been kind

433
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: of interesting to me that he's been like a nineteenth

434
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: round pick all uh spring.

435
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: Okay, Rashie Rice dot dot dot bruh. Another situation he's

436
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: in he's in jail for thirty days after he had surgery. Though,

437
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 2: I mean that's like the big issue.

438
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean like surgery and then go

439
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: directly issue. The big issue is not what he did,

440
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: because it sounds like he was like smoking pot or something, right,

441
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: and like that alone, someone's smoking weed. I don't care

442
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: at all. In fact, go for it. But what what

443
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: is the problem here is the you know, him knowing

444
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: the ramifications of doing that and still doing that and

445
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: then getting caught doing that, et cetera. Like that's a

446
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: that's a big deal from just a process standpoint of

447
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 1: how his mind is thinking about this stuff and how

448
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, he's seemingly not taking it as seriously as

449
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: as he should, and so now he's you know, serving

450
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: time and having to do the thirty days. I don't

451
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 1: know what that what what's going to come of this

452
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: at all? I don't think anyone does. Like you said,

453
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: the rehab process having to go down in jail is scary.

454
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: But if you want to have another last round dart

455
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 1: throw that I've been going after Taekwon Thornton for for

456
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: Kansas City, where yeah, he he had a role last year.

457
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: They don't really do that. I mean, I know that

458
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: they got like a couple of guys Day three, well

459
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: Jeff Caldwell was a was a wasn't a UDFA. But regardless,

460
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, they they they don't really invest in the

461
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver position. XAF You're worthy, you know, is a

462
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: fine pick. I'm not saying he's not, but like Taekwon

463
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: Thornton had a role on that team last year, and

464
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: so if Rashi Rice is out at all, obviously Travis

465
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: Kelsey gets a boost, et cetera. But you know, I

466
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: think Taekwon Taekwon Thornton should be going higher just based

467
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: on this news. Not to say that he's the same

468
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: type of wide receiver because he's not at all. And

469
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: I also think that if anything further develops with this

470
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: Rashi Rice stuff, you might see like a Stephan Diggs

471
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: be headed to uh To. Like Diggs Digs could play

472
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. He obviously would be awesome in Kansas City, all.

473
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: Right, This one was a fun one because we've had

474
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: just some some black ones.

475
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: You know, I'm an optimstick guy.

476
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: This is a quote from Clint. I'm sorry, from Clint Kubiak.

477
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers is a football robot from heaven.

478
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: Think about Okay, if he's a football robot for Heaven,

479
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: they couldn't have given him a better hairline, you know, Like,

480
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: come on now, I don't think robots care about their

481
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: hair just like you. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I mean, look,

482
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: I've said it before. I think I think Bowers is

483
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 1: tight end one this year. There's a lot to like.

484
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: The problem with Bowers and the problem with Trey McBride

485
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: and then the problem with Colson Loveland is that I

486
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: do think that there is a pretty significant opportunity cost

487
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: if Bowers rises more. I think where Bowers goes right

488
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: now in best ball is fine. But if he rises more,

489
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: then you're starting to inch into that like really good

490
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: running back tier. Right. And then with McBride, I just

491
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: have problems with him. I'll talk about that in a bit.

492
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: And then with Loveland, you're in that really good wide

493
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: receiver tier, right. And I like Bowers and Loveland a

494
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: lot from from from the standpoint of like, if you're

495
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: in a ten team league this year, you should be

496
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: looking at what of those two tight ends because that's

497
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: when you know your team needs to be better. You know,

498
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: it's a shallower league all that, it makes a lot

499
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: more sense to go after the onesie positions early. And

500
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: I would much rather be going after the those two

501
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: tight ends as opposed like a Josh Allen or something

502
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: like that in that kind of scenario at cost, right,

503
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: But in these bestball environments, like I'm a little bit

504
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: overweight on maybe like Loveland and maybe a little bit

505
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: overweight on Bowers, but I'm probably not gonna be like

506
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: fifteen percent. You know, I was like nineteen percent last

507
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: year with McBride. But I don't think I'm gonna get

508
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: just because there's some really great wide receivers around Loveland.

509
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: There's some really good running backs around Bowers. So I'm

510
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: hoping their ADP stays as is and where it's at

511
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: just because of that opportunity cost equation.

512
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: Okay, we get some Brissette smoke in Arizona. Apparently the

513
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: two sides are still pretty far away as apart.

514
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I said this last week, and

515
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: you get some get some flack for it. Yeah, on discord,

516
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: some some folks Martin were uh giving me some some

517
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: crap for my take of of like like what leverage

518
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: does Jacoby Brissett really have here? You know, Like could

519
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: he go somewhere else and be a backup and make

520
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: more money? Sure, if that's really what like he wants

521
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: to do, but there aren't going to be any other

522
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: places where he's going to be an obvious starter. And

523
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: from Arizona's perspective, I said this all like, I think

524
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: they're going to give Carson Beck a chance at some point,

525
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, and they have Gardner Minshew, who is at

526
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: least usable as like a you know, week one, you know,

527
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: early season guy, as a as a veteran you know,

528
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: I think that we all want it from a fantasy

529
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: perspective to happen. But I just, you know, I'm and look,

530
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Arizona as like the players on

531
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: their team are sitting there being like, oh we're gonna

532
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: tank and I'm gonna play worse, because that's not how

533
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm simply saying

534
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: that Arizona knows the front office the coaching staff know

535
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: that they're in a place right now that is a

536
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: rebuilding place. They do not have a roster that is

537
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: super Bowl worthy. I would you can clip this all

538
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: you want. If Arizona wins the super Bowl this year,

539
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: I'll buy everyone in chat right now a new house. Okay,

540
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: it's just it's just that's not that's not legally binded

541
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: by anything. But but like I I just you know,

542
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna happen. And so Arizona being in

543
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: the state that they're in, I just don't think that

544
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: they are in a hurry to say, oh, we absolutely

545
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: need Jacobe Bursett, who was good last year, Sure, but

546
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: like his I still don't think he was like excellent,

547
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: Like he's not. You know, we we have a pretty

548
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: large sample of what cha Kobe Brissette is so and

549
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: none of that's a new coaching staff, you know, it's

550
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: a it's a brand new staff that's gonna be gonna

551
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: be coaching him. So I just don't understand what his

552
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: true leverages. Of course, he can get more money, and

553
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: he should get more money, and I'm hoping he gets

554
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: more money. I'm always on the player's side in these situations.

555
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about it more from a business end

556
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: and what the Cardinals would ideally be, uh be wanting

557
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: to do.

558
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to some Parker Washington out

559
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 2: of control.

560
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: We get around mansions, Fire Upzillo boys.

561
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably need to put a cap on that.

562
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, that was not legally, but like, there's nothing

563
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: I signed, folks, Okay, it's all verbal. I mean, the

564
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: crazier things have happened in Vegas.

565
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: I'm not even a hockey guy, but apparently Vegas making

566
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup Finals was crazy.

567
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: They fired their they fired their coach halfway through the

568
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: seat or in March, back in March, and they got

569
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: towards I mean, like that that was the the the

570
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: the Golden Knights right now. Remind me when like the

571
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: Penguins did the same thing when they they want the

572
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: same like and then they went back to back. Who

573
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: they beat the second time when they went back to back?

574
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: I can't remember.

575
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: Oh you don't remember they actually did a national predators.

576
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, that's right.

577
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, back to Parker Washington though, so reports

578
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: are he's going to sign a fairly decent contract with

579
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: the Jags and Also you have a little quote from

580
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: his offensive coordinator, Grant Dinsky, who says that Parker Washington

581
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: is capable of what he did at the end of

582
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: the season last year and even more than that.

583
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: I keep on seeing these these glowing quotes.

584
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: For Parker Washington, and we have so many quotes, so

585
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: many players buying for targets in Jacksonville.

586
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: I mean, well, look, you you should not be fading anyone,

587
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: any wide receiver in Jacksonville in my opinion, Like everyone

588
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: wants this, like really strong opinion on these guys, and

589
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: everyone wants you to, you know, stake your claim with

590
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: btj or or Or or Parker Washington or Jacobe Myers.

591
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: My answer if you want to do that is to

592
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: just draft Trevor Lawrence is one way of just capturing that.

593
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: But I don't want to fade any of them because

594
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: I can make the upside case for each one of

595
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: them pretty pretty easily. Even Travis Hunter, I think is

596
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: a good best ball pick right now. So uh with

597
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: with Parker Washington, the other weird like he's one of

598
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: those players. Every once in a while there are these

599
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: players that that I wish I was more vocal about

600
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: as prospects right where they came out, there was that

601
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: much hype that model might have liked them, liked them

602
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more than where they were drafted. Parker

603
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: Washington was kind of that guy, and I just wish

604
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: that I leaned into that little like he was an

605
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: early declayer, Like he had not a horrific profile coming out,

606
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: and so you know, he's just one of those players

607
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: where it's like he got his opportunity last year. This

608
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: is the difference between him and Michael Wilson. I talked

609
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: about this on the on the the episode that I

610
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: did last week on the Insights from Building Projections. Parker

611
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: Washington and Michael Wilson will get lumped together this year

612
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: pretty frequently, I would assume by fantasy some fantasy analysts,

613
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: because they both kind of came from nowhere last year

614
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: and they were really good down the stretch, and you know,

615
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: they helped people win leagues all that kind of stuff.

616
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: The difference is that Parker Washington didn't need an injury

617
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: for some of that. Well, he technically did from a

618
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: trap from Travis Hunter's perspective, to like step in and

619
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: get work and such, but his peripherals were just really

620
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: really really good. It's like he just needed more routes

621
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: to be able to show that off, whereas it really

622
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: wasn't the case for Michael Wilson. And we'll talk about

623
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: that in a second as well. So I think Parker

624
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: Washington is a good player, and I'm not that surprised

625
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: that they're saying what they're saying. And on one hand,

626
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, the Jags went into the draft and

627
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: they drafted a bunch of tight ends and they're trying

628
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: to go heavier, which means fewer wide receivers in the field.

629
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: But then I look at the personnel in that team

630
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why, Like, you have four good wide

631
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: receivers at least three that are gonna be playing wide

632
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: receiver full time, and you have a really good eleven

633
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: personnel set. You can see how all of them would

634
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: move around the formation. I don't understand why they would

635
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: need to go heavy. And so I think that eventually

636
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: logic will win out because Liam Cohen's a good head

637
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: coach and smart, and so we're gonna see a similar

638
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: offense is what we saw down the stretch last year. Eventually,

639
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: how long that takes, I'm not sure, but That's the

640
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: reason why I don't want to fade a Parker Washington

641
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: and why I'm still, you know, gonna draft him. And

642
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: while he's probably going to continue to like move up

643
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: not down in the rankings as the summer goes on. Right,

644
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. Not surprised by some

645
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Uh so you can, you can draft him.

646
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not ready to say that he's like

647
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: the new aman Ross Saint Brown, which is what some

648
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: people have thrown out there, because Amanas Saint Brown didn't

649
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: have this kind of competition on his in his offense

650
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: to be able to be the fantasy asset that he is.

651
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: But is Parker Washington a good wide receiver who can

652
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: play on the inside and move onto the outside and

653
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: do what an ARSB does to a degree? Yeah? That like,

654
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: I think that he is a good player. All right.

655
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: This is a classic quote from Liam Cohen would ask

656
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: if Sea Rod was okay because he's been missing from

657
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: the OTAs he says, yeah, you know, I mean injury

658
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: report will come out at some point, which stoked some

659
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: comments in the discord chat.

660
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: Again I'm sure, yeah, I actually didn't see that because

661
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: we've just had so much going on in the last

662
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. But by the way, did you guys

663
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: hear that we launched a new website?

664
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

665
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: All right? Uh but yeah, so like yeah, I mean,

666
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: like again, if you I want to invest in this offense,

667
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: because I believe in this offense. I believe in what

668
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen did last year. You know, I was a

669
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: believer last year and it was really scary to start

670
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: the season because they weren't playing very well, but things

671
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: really turned around and got a lot better, similarly to

672
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: what we saw in Chicago. And so with Chris Rodriguez,

673
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: I'll say this similiar times. I think he's a better

674
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: in best ball type pick where he's going to get

675
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: some work in that offense. But I think that if

676
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: there is a player that is going to have a

677
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: ceiling at running back in the Jacksonville backfield is Basehall Tutan.

678
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: Because Chris Rodriguez has not been a full blown pass

679
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: catcher at the NFL level. Base Shall Tuton did more

680
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: as a pass catcher in college. Didn't that much last

681
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: year for sure, but has at least that skill set.

682
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: And then a lot of people will say, well, what

683
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: about Leaquinn Allen? I think I'm going to probably answer

684
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: that on this week's mail bag if I recall correctly,

685
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: so I'll just I'll zip my mouth there and say,

686
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: Chris Rodriguez better in best ball. I probably won't be

687
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: drafting him in a regular season long league very frequently,

688
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: just because I think it's more of a floor play,

689
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: and in basketball you need production. You just need a

690
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: double digit round guy, you know, eleventh round player running

691
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: back who can just get you something. That's fine, because

692
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: I think you could even end up being the goal

693
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: line back for them. But with base shall Tutin, that's

694
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: where I think the upside really comes into play, where

695
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: in season long you can take that swing, especially if

696
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: he's your RB three in round six or something, take

697
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: that swing, and if it doesn't pan out, you can

698
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: make up for that with your roster, whereas you just

699
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: can't do that in mess ball as easily.

700
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: Jobobonnie says, never hear about anyone being worse.

701
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: In best ball. I don't know, but we've talked about

702
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: it a few times. We'll talk about it on I

703
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: think you could you. I mean, I guess Touton's not

704
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: the best example, but I do think that too, Like

705
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to prefer Touton a little bit more in

706
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: season long than I will in Best Ball, just because

707
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: I think that there is a serious downside case and

708
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: if I'm trying to you know, and I want to

709
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: be at market with him in terms of like the

710
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: as much as I you know, I want to be

711
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: at like that eight to nine percent range or so

712
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: with Touton, But I don't want to be like super

713
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: super overweight because I see the outcome where it goes

714
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: south for him.

715
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: Scott Newman says, when are we going to get some

716
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: more live stream Best Ball drafts?

717
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, Yeah, very since day tuned to what that

718
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: being said.

719
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: Let's get on to today's data. Today's data, all right,

720
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: we got some middle round running backs jjing.

721
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I did the Rewind episode that dropped yesterday,

722
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: and I talked through a bunch of running backs from

723
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: last year who kind of had red flags to their

724
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: yards PERU run profiles. I here am looking at guys

725
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: who are below the point seven mark. Just to reiterate,

726
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: so if you didn't get to listen to the Rewind episode, Essentially,

727
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: I found that like middle round running backs historically, if

728
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: they had poor previous season yards para run numbers with

729
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: a decent amount of routes run one hundred plus, it's

730
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: usually indicative of them underperforming versus expectation the following year,

731
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of that has to do with the

732
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: fact that yards para run can be sort of a

733
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: proxy and predictor of target share the following season, and

734
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: target share is obviously gonna help a player see more

735
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: receptions and score more PPR points. So, you know, I

736
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: have the mentality and the mantra of I don't really

737
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: care for running backs that don't Chris Rodriguez falls into this.

738
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: From like a season long perspective, I don't care that

739
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: much about players who just aren't going to see super

740
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: high target shairs because there's such a correlation, especially in

741
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: PPR between running back receiving and output in general output.

742
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: And so these are the probably the biggest red flag

743
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: players that you could look at right now. From a

744
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, a middle round ish yards per out run perspective.

745
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: Joante Williams is kind of on the fringe, but we'll

746
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: throw him in there. He had a point four yards

747
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: per out run. Tony Pollard point six to eight, Jacory

748
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: krossky Merritt wasn't a pass catcher in college either, point

749
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: four to nine, JK Dobbins point three to two, which

750
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: is pretty horrific. And then Jordan Mason, who's just I mean,

751
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: that was somebody I talked about a lot last year

752
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I can't draft this dude. I just

753
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: it's it's he has never proven to be a pass catcher.

754
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: You can explain away some of it because he played

755
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs in college, but it's just he's not a

756
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: pass catcher. He's an early down bruiser. Again, a player

757
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: that you should be more willing to take in a

758
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: best ball environment where you know there could be some

759
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: spiked week, especially if he's the goal line guy. But

760
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: even still, I'm still not gonna be overweight on a

761
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: George Mason. It's just not gonna happen. And then Blake

762
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: Koram has the is the last one. He had a

763
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: horrible yards prowl run rate. Kien Williams wasn't that strong

764
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: either last year. Some of this is obviously going to

765
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: be team oriented just in general, but Blake Korum at

766
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: point three to one, I'd have to look and see

767
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: if we've seen like how many hits we've seen from

768
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: a yards perrow run ray that low. But it does

769
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: tell me because Kyle Mnungui is kind of in this group,

770
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: but you know, he's not below that point seven mark.

771
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: It just tells me that I don't think Manunguy and

772
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: Quorum are gonna be massive, massive standalone hits without an injury.

773
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: Do I think that they could be like high end

774
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: RB three's, low end RB two's. Yeah, but I'm talking like,

775
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, top fifteen, you know, into that like no

776
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: doubt weekly starter range. I think there just needs to

777
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: be more to that receiving profile for both of those guys.

778
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony Pollard, I guess we'll talk about him in

779
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: a second, but you kind of break in my heart

780
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: with this.

781
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: I think we've now officially teased every player on the

782
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: Avoids list. Right, let's get into it. It's the late

783
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: round main event.

784
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: This guy, as far as the current basketball A Voids

785
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: was on the cover of the thumbnail, so you should

786
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: know who it is.

787
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael Wilson. Guys, I made this comparison on last

788
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: week or SORR two weeks ago show on Insights and

789
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: Building Projections that I think Michael Wilson has a very

790
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: real chance of being this year's Jerry Judy because there

791
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: are a lot of parallels this profile to what we

792
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: saw with Judy last year. First off, the argument that

793
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson was so much better than Marvin Harrison Junior

794
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: last year is just lost. I mean, I just don't

795
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: see that at all within the data. I mean, we

796
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: know that two of the biggest metrics that we can

797
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: look at from a descriptive and relatively predictive standpoint are

798
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: yarchs prout run targets per out run. Michael Wilson according

799
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: to pff yarchs per out run one point five to

800
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: nine last year, Marvin Harrison Junior one point five to eight.

801
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson saw a target on twenty percent of his

802
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: routes run, not very strong. Marvin Harrison Junior nineteen percent,

803
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: also not very strong. Not only that Michael Wilson played

804
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: a lot more without Marvin Harrison Junior than the opposite happening, right,

805
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: because Michael Wilson was a missing time the way that

806
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior was, and so when Marvin Harrison Junior

807
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: was off the field and not playing, that's a natural

808
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: boost to what Michael Wilson can do. I thought Wilson

809
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: played well, don't get me wrong. Like when you know

810
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette was under center, they switched, they made the

811
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: quarterback switch, and obviously Wilson was able to compile some

812
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: insane numbers in that offense. But in three games where

813
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior had an eighty percent route chare or

814
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: higher and technically I think this is a sixty percent,

815
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: but an eighty percent routes chare or higher and Jacoby

816
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: Brissett was starting, there was only three games where that happened.

817
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson scored nine point one, seven point four and

818
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: seven PPR points. He was completely worthless for your fantasy

819
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: lineup in those three games. And like I said, the

820
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: narrative right now is, what if Michael Wilson is just

821
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: better than Marvin Harrison Junior. Fine, fair, let's think of

822
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: range of outcomes here. I think that's a reasonable thing

823
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: to bring up. But what if he Like, like, why

824
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: are we making that assumption if he wasn't significantly better

825
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: than Marvin Harrison Junior in twenty twenty five, Like, we

826
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: don't have that much evidence to suggest that Michael Wilson

827
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: is a better wide receiver than Marvin Harrison Junior. You

828
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: could say that there's a new coaching staff and maybe

829
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: they'll like Michael Wilson more. But I don't know. I'd

830
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: much rather side on the the you know, top five

831
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: pick who was a prolific collegiate wide receiver and yes,

832
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: has underperformed versus expectation to start his NFL career, but

833
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: he hasn't been like horrifically bad to start his NFL career.

834
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: And Marvin Harrison Junior, and now you get a new

835
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff, what if they just see that talent and

836
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: say they weren't deploying him properly. Let's deploy him properly,

837
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: and let's lean into that talent from Amarvin Harrison Juniors.

838
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: From his perspective. Uh, you also have a quarterback up

839
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: in the air. Talked about that with Jacoby Brissett earlier

840
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: and Arizona. This is where the Jerry Judy comp comes

841
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: into play. Mike Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy two years ago

842
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: ran the most routes in the league of anyone, Right,

843
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson was top four last year? Why because Arizona

844
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: had the most pass attempts just like Cleveland of the

845
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: year before that, and so there was no guarantee. Now

846
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: Cleveland still ended up like Jerry Judy, still ended up

847
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: running a decent amount of routes. But you run into

848
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: the risk of natural regression with this Arizona passing attack.

849
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: Even if their defense is gonna be just as bad.

850
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't think we can assume they're gonna lead the

851
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: league in pass attempts again. So you bring that all together.

852
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: If his peripheral like like like I said with Parker Washington,

853
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: if his if Michael Wilson's peripherals were like good last year, right,

854
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: like if his yards per out run was fantastic, if

855
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: he was seeing target gets at a really high rate,

856
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, he just needed a little bit

857
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: more opportunity to get this done. But then every time

858
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior was active in playing a lot, Michael

859
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: Wilson wasn't doing anything. The opposite was happening with Parker.

860
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: Parker Washington was competing with Brenton Strange at tight end,

861
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, and Jacobe Myers, and he was still getting

862
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: it done. That tells you that he's beating them out.

863
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: From a talent perspective, Michael Wilson was not doing that

864
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: last year, and so I just can't buy in right

865
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: now at his ADP. You know, it has split a

866
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: little bit more from Marvin Harrison Junior and some drafts

867
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: he'll go relatively late. But like I'm like, I think

868
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: I'm like ten or eleven wide receiver spots lower than

869
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: the market with Michael Wilson right now.

870
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, And uh say, I'm ready to get burned

871
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: by mh J again this year.

872
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: So did you were you were you on him? Because

873
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't on him? Line? You were? No? I mean

874
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: I was on him two years ago. I was on

875
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: him a little bit two years ago, well more in season. Yeah, yeah,

876
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: which was stupid in hindsight, but.

877
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: He was pretty expensive two years ago.

878
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: Last year. I fortunately was not on that train though.

879
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, let's talk about this guy, Bucky Irving.

880
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, look this is let's just look at this from

881
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: a football perspective. Okay, competition. You get Kenneth Gainwell, who

882
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: if he falls in the middle rounds, he'll be on

883
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: the the good side. Him and Jalen Warren both. Now, again,

884
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: this is partially a team and personnel drive or you know,

885
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: a coaching driven and scheme driven. But him and Jalen

886
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: Warren have proven to be really good pass catchers in

887
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: the NFL, like they've consistently had pretty high yarchs per

888
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: out run rates. So Kenneth Gainwell if he moves up

889
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: into that like middle round area, he becomes even more intriguing.

890
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think he is intriguing period, Like

891
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: you should be drafting Kenneth Gainwell. He was a great

892
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: receiver last year. We know that he can be that

893
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: outlet for Tampa Bay as well. And then Sean Tucker

894
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: played can play the goal line. I mean the final

895
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: four weeks of last year, the Buccaneers really stopped using

896
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: Buck Irving and like this pure belcal type role. He

897
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: never scored more than ten point eight PPR points in

898
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: a game down the stretch because he was more of

899
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: the in between the twenties guy where Rashad White was

900
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: getting some of that receiving work and then Sean Tucker

901
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: was seeing a lot of the goal mine work. And

902
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: then you look at their advanced numbers success rate last year,

903
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: wherehad White had a really good success rates fifty percent,

904
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: Sean Tucker's was better. It was four percentage points better

905
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: than Bucky Irving's and then you look at rushing yards

906
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: over expected per attempt. Rashad White was at minus point two,

907
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: so you know that tells you that he was probably

908
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: just seeing easier fronts in general, given the role that

909
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: he was playing, which is why his success rate was higher.

910
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: Sean Tucker was plus point two, he was the best

911
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: on the team. And rushing yards over expected per attempt

912
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving was minus point seven, which was dead last

913
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: among forty eight qualified running backs last year. And rushing

914
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: yards over expected per attempt. So I now we'll layer

915
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: on the injury. Now we'll layer on all that other stuff.

916
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: It's a really frightening profile at this moment, especially.

917
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: Where he's going. I mean he's going third round, you know,

918
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: like that's yeah, that's a high cost for all these

919
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: question marks, all this competition.

920
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: Definitely agree there we Uh By the way, we got

921
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: a good a good point in chat from PUDs who

922
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: says that there's no way that Arizona's going to repeat

923
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: that after drafting Jeremiah Love to so I should have

924
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: mentioned the Jeremiah Love pick as like signal that it's

925
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: going to be probably even more difficult for Arizona to

926
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: see as much passing work as they did last year. Okay,

927
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: now on to Tony Pollard. Yeah, I'm just I mean, look,

928
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: I faded Pollard last year for the most part. I'm

929
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna fade them probably again. It's just not a profile

930
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: that I want to invest in. There's a lot up

931
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: in the air in Tennessee right now. We don't know

932
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: which direction it's going to go for cam Ward. Of

933
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 1: course it can go favorably, but I would feel better

934
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: about that if there weren't two other running backs that

935
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: can get work in that backfield. You know, here in

936
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six in Tajy Spears, who has played a

937
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: pass catching role. Last year, Tony Pollard in games with

938
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: Tajy Spears had a thirty seven route share. Without Tajy Spears,

939
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: it was sixty seven percent. So that's a that's a

940
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: massive jump in difference. Now, obviously different coaching staff, they

941
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: might treat this all differently, but he only had two

942
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: games last year with fifteen or more PPR points. They

943
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: draft Nick Singleton. There's question marks with the offense. You know,

944
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: you have the previous season yards perle run stuff that

945
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: I just talked about. Tony Pollard just doesn't do it

946
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: for me. I want more upside than than a player

947
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: like Pollard.

948
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, agree to disagree on Pollard.

949
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think the Titans offense is going

950
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: to be I'm saying that there's a down there's a

951
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: downside case with the Tennessee offense. I'm drafting cam Ward

952
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: in best Ball like I've I've drafted in Carnel Tate.

953
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: But the issue in Wandell. But the issue is it

954
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: can go south. But if it doesn't go south, Okay,

955
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: if it doesn't go south and it's a it's a

956
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: good offense. That doesn't even guarantee that Tony Pollard is

957
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a great fantasy asset because there is other

958
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: factors going on and him himself, I just don't think

959
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: is the same running back that he that he was

960
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: two or three years ago.

961
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that's why you have you draft Nick Singleton.

962
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: Something happens to pardon Spears Singleton. I've been drafting Singleton.

963
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: Just bring it back. He's pretty cheap too. It's like

964
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: a seven.

965
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: He's getting lost in the shuffle. Man, I've not drafted

966
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: Taj at all.

967
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: No, I don't think I have either, And as a

968
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: Titans fan. That tells you all you need to know.

969
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 2: All right, DJ Moore.

970
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I realized I've slowly backed off of DJ Moore.

971
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: I think I drafted him a decent like I was

972
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: drafting an okay amount in like April and stuff and

973
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: the pre you know, the pre draft stuff. But I

974
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: haven't really drafted him a ton after that. And I've

975
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: realized that I'm trying not to let the narrative of

976
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: the team change really overshadow what DJ Moore has been right.

977
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: One point two to two yards per out run last year,

978
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: one point four to four the year prior. Those are

979
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: borderline horrific numbers for a veteran wide receiver. They're not

980
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: good at all. He was really weak in first downs

981
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: per out run, which is very predictive for his range

982
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: of the season long draft like for his ADP. And

983
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: look the bottom line. I talked about this with Colson Lovelin.

984
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: There are so many good wide receivers that go into

985
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: range at DJ Moore goes in like I would rather

986
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: have Jaylen Wono, I'd rather have Luther Burdon. I'd rather

987
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: have you know, t Mac who goes earlier shore at

988
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: Mecha Buca like there's players that I would just rather

989
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: have than DJ Moore. And that's probably what's driving this

990
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: recommendation most is that fact and that factor, because there

991
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: is a pretty big drop off once you get to

992
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: like Christian Watson range or so like there's a gap

993
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: where you don't know which wide receiver you really want

994
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: to or Terry McLaurin, I would take over DJ Moore.

995
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: There's another one. A lot of people made the Stefan

996
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: Diggs comp for DJ Moore going to Buffalo. Here's the

997
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: pushback there. Stefan Diggs when he went to Buffalo, his

998
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: previous season is last season in Minnesota two point six

999
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: y nine yards per rou run rate, which is crazy,

1000
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: that's absurd. And then he had twenty three percent a

1001
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: target on twenty three per one of his routes run.

1002
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs is also a year six player and DJ

1003
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: Moore is a year nine player, right, So there's a

1004
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: lot of that going on where I'm trying to just

1005
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: be objective about DJ Moore. He was not He has

1006
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: not been good, like, he has not been that good

1007
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: of a wider. So he said his moments of course,

1008
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: but and I do think that part of the reason

1009
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: why Chicago got rid of him is because he just

1010
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: wasn't a good fit with what Ben Johnson wants to do,

1011
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: because Ben Johnson wants very he wants precision, and DJ

1012
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: Moore is not that kind of player. That's just not

1013
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: and hypothetically that works a lot better with a Josh

1014
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: Allen type who's just running wild all the time and

1015
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: trying to make plays happen out of the pocket. So

1016
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: I do think that this could burn me, this this

1017
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: recommendation and this suggestion. But at the same time, I

1018
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: think it is pretty logical to say that DJ Moore

1019
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: just might not have it at this point to the

1020
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: degree in which the other wide receivers in his range do. Yeah.

1021
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you also have it's hard to like invest ball.

1022
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: It's hard to stack Dj Moore with Josh Allen. You're like,

1023
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: you're invest a lot of capital.

1024
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that's partly that I don't think Josh.

1025
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't need to get Josh Allen in best ball.

1026
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: You know, you've got to take him at that two

1027
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: three turn and then you most likely will have to

1028
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: reach on DJ Moore. So it's just like two reaches

1029
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: is tough, all right.

1030
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: Trey McBride, Yeah, I just can't do it. With Trey McBride.

1031
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: I think that he's going to regress relatively heavily. He

1032
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: had nineteen end zone targets last year, which we've only

1033
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: seen eleven tight ends since twenty eleven. Get fifteen or

1034
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: more end zone season.

1035
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: How funny is that after the narrative I know about

1036
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: him not scoring a touchdown.

1037
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: I know, and all he did was just see end

1038
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: zone targets over and over and over again. But we

1039
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: have to remember too that like Marvin Harrison Junior was

1040
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: in now his splits with Without Marv, we're not that dramatic,

1041
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: So I don't want to use that totally against him,

1042
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: But at the same time, over a larger sample, it

1043
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: might become something that we should be semi worried about.

1044
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: But there's been eleven tight ends since twenty eleven with

1045
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,479
Speaker 1: fifteen or more end zone targets in a season. Every

1046
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: single one of those saw decline and touchdowns per game

1047
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: the following year. The average drop was point three touchdowns

1048
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: per game, whereas so if McBride sees a point three drop,

1049
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: he would go from point sixty five touchdowns per game

1050
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: to point three to five, which is like going from

1051
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: eleven touchdowns to six touchdowns, and we know that there's

1052
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: probably gonna be less passing volume in the offense. We

1053
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: know that there's you know, decent enough competition in Michael

1054
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: Wilson and Marvin Harrison Junior. We don't know what the

1055
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: quarterback situation is gonna look like. There are way too

1056
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: many question marks for me to make that click around

1057
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: where some really good wide outs and running backs are going. Like,

1058
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, if you're gonna get an elite

1059
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: tight end, get boers are leveling in my opinion, and

1060
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: don't get Trey McBride.

1061
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: Okay, JK. Dobbins next on this list.

1062
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: I've just realized I've not been like I'm lower than

1063
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: the market, and I just haven't been drafting him, especially

1064
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: after the Jonah Coleman stuff. You know, I mentioned this

1065
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: a little bit on The Losers, the Veteran Losers episode

1066
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: of the Late Round Show with the Jonah Coleman pick.

1067
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: I think it hurts JK. Dobbins, probably a little bit

1068
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: more than RJ. Like it hurts r J. Harvey more

1069
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: from the standpoint that he was the one that people

1070
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: were drafting higher. But it's Gonna. I think it could

1071
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Speaker 1: like really deplete JK. Dobbins's general role and how where

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00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: the value lies for him in fantasy football. Because last year,

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00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: like he was good for his cost, right, he was

1074
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: a double digit round pick, and he was getting goal

1075
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: line work, and he was getting a lot of the

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00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: early down work. What if that goes to Jonah Coleman

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00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: to even even some of it goes to Jonah Coleman

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00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: because JK. Dobbins only had a four percent target chair

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00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: last year and he was not good per route run

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00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: and RJ. Harvey say what you want about his rookie season,

1081
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: which I've said some negative things about it, I don't

1082
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: think he's that good of a running back. Like I

1083
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: think he's fine and he can be explosive, but he's

1084
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: not consistent enough from that perspective. He had a decent

1085
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: receiving season. RJ. Harvey did, and they used him a

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00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: lot close to the end zone as a receiver. So

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00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: R J. Harvey kind of has that role, which is

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00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: still kind of intriguing. JK. Dobbins I think could just

1089
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: like not be you know, maybe early in the season

1090
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: he'll be all right, right, but towards the end when

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00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: we care about bestball most you know, in the in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and such. I'm just really worried about what

1093
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: that what that's going to look like, especially because we

1094
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: know he hasn't been able to stay healthy either. You

1095
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: have some comments in the chat.

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00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: Someone's all in on DJ Moore, someone's all in on

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00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: h McBride.

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Speaker 1: So that's what makes us a good list.

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00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: I think when you have people that it's like they

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00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: kind of disagree because they avoids list. You're talking about

1101
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: good players, right because you have to, because that's why

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00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: they're avoids.

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00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: And so I'm not saying that like I don't have

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00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: them ranked high. I'm just saying that versus costs. I'm

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00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: a little bit scared to make those clicks, but I

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00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: can of course those two in particular Trammick Bride and

1107
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: DJ Moore. I think all the other ones on this list,

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00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it's not really that hard to see,

1109
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: like the downside case and stuff, and you know, see

1110
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: this go south. But those two guys, like I can

1111
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: see it working out from them this year. So it

1112
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: is a little bit scary, But I'm a fantasy analyst.

1113
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: I got to put myself out there a little bit.

1114
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes it's the name. Also, you know that

1115
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: people stay with the name. I'm guilty of this with

1116
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: this next guy. You just see that name, and you

1117
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: see him in the third round and you're used to

1118
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: seeing him at the one two turn.

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00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 1: It's Garrett Wilson. Yeah. I mean, look, I think he's talented,

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Speaker 1: but I also I don't want this to be taken

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00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: the wrong way. I think he's talented, but I think

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00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: that we've used that as an excuse far too often

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00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: for Garrett Wilson, right, Like, eventually production has to come

1124
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: before we say, like, like, if he just continues doing

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00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: what he's doing, it's fine, but it's definitely not special

1126
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: in the way that people think that Garrett Wilson is special.

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00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, I remember making the comps to Chris Alave

1128
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: for a while. You guys can look at old tweets

1129
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: from me where I would like show the yards brought

1130
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: run and the target sharers and stuff, and it's like

1131
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: they're really not that different to players in terms of

1132
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: their actual production. And it did help Chris Alave last

1133
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: year that he gets a better offensive system and he

1134
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: gets a better offensive miney coach, But I just don't

1135
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: feel like that's happening to the degree in which we

1136
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: wanted to happen with Garrett Wilson, and he is going

1137
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: firmly in that range of really good wide receivers. I

1138
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: made the mistake of drafting him too much early, like

1139
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: just thinking like you know, not really thinking through all

1140
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: of my player takes at the moment in the moment,

1141
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, before the draft happened. But then the draft happens,

1142
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: they draft Omar Cooper and Kenyon Sadik. There he's going

1143
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: amongst those really good wide outs like t mac and

1144
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Abuka and Luther Burden and Zave Flowers, and I would

1145
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: take all of them over Garrett Wilson, like pretty pretty easily. Uh.

1146
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: He's had multiple thirty percent target share seasons, but he's

1147
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: never scored fifteen or more PPR points per game. Garret

1148
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: Wilson in a single season. He's never given you that

1149
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: like high end wide receiver to you know, low end

1150
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver one type season. And now you have Geno Smith,

1151
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: who I think, you know, I've said it before, I

1152
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: think the Jets offense can be better than what people

1153
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: think because people think that they're gonna be horrible. I

1154
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: think there's an out here where they're better, but there's

1155
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: also a very realistic possibility that they're just as bad,

1156
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: and we have to recognize that as well. If Garrett

1157
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: Wilson were going around later, it'd be fine, Like I

1158
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: think that's where he should go, but at the three

1159
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: four turn early fourth round, I'd rather get him in

1160
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: the late fifth where, like you know, right before Christian

1161
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: Watson or something or around that range, as opposed to

1162
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, snagging him where there's just a lot of upside,

1163
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good wide receivers. It's gonna be

1164
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: again in auction drafts. It's the same thing as last

1165
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: year where we had like the Jamo George Pickens, like

1166
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: that kind of range of wide receivers last year, where

1167
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: in auction drafts you could get like three or four

1168
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: of those guys at a discount. We're gonna run into

1169
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: the exact same thing this year, where that group I

1170
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: keep mentioning is gonna be cheaper than even like you know,

1171
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: the the early third round guys you know like that

1172
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: that you can go after, but they're the the the

1173
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: the ceiling outcomes really aren't that different between those guys,

1174
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: and so I just don't think Garrett Wilson belongs despite

1175
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: the fact that I do think he's talented, I just

1176
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: don't think that he belongs in that tier fair enough.

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00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: And like I said, it's a it's a name recognition thing.

1178
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: It's you know, you see Garrett Wilson, you seem available,

1179
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, I want that, and you don't.

1180
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 2: You don't realize that maybe maybe the conditions for him

1181
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: this year aren't that great comparable to who's going around him.

1182
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: We'll say, though, it's easy to stack him, but Gino Smith.

1183
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: Gen Smith goes.

1184
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: Way late and it's uh, I think it's the end

1185
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: of the third round or beginning of the fourth round.

1186
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: You can easily get him and Breisee.

1187
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: Hall, you can. I've done that before. I've done that.

1188
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: I've done that in drafts. I don't think I've done

1189
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: it in any like MILLI drafts, you know, but more

1190
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: of like the lower the lower ones. But yeah, I

1191
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: mean like you can The other thing too, though, is that,

1192
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: like Geno Smith is not a lock to play every game. Yeah,

1193
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: so like that's another problem with with him and stacking him.

1194
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: Okay, good stuff, JJ. That does it for the voids lists.

1195
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: Now let's wrap this up. Okay, just a reminder to

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Speaker 2: go and subscribe like comments. We love the comments, We

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Speaker 2: We have the newsletter, the newsletter. We have now a

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Speaker 1: We haven't had a place for that in the past.

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Speaker 2: reading there for free. So uh JJ final thoughts, No, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean again, I appreciate everybody, uh for the support. You

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Speaker 1: By the way, like we're not we're not shifting prices.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready, I'll you know, have my caffeine ready and.

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Speaker 1: Questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean we have a lot, We still

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Speaker 2: have some stuff to do to you know, migrate everybody over,

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Speaker 2: and these are this is something that we knew we

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Speaker 2: would have to do and and we welcome it. We

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Speaker 2: do more stuff on the site.

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Speaker 1: So JJ appreciate you, appreciate.

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Speaker 2: Everyone else that's tuned in and that you gave us

1240
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Speaker 2: so much encouragement during the show.

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Speaker 1: If you disagree with him, JJ's takes that's fine. We

1242
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: forgive you.

1243
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: And with that being said, JJ, let's get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you all, love you all. We'll see you next

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Speaker 2: time here on the Late Round Fantasy Football Show Peace