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Speaker 1: Welcome to a monster Friday edition of Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: live right here on Giants dot Com. It's all presented

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Speaker 1: by Coors Light. I am John Schmelcolm joined by Jeff Feagles.

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Speaker 1: We have two big time guests coming your way. At

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Speaker 1: twelve thirty, Dan Orlovski from ESPN will be joining us

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Speaker 1: talking a lot of the quarterbacks coming out in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League Draft at the end of April. But

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Speaker 1: first we're joined by Charles Davis, who will talk about

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Speaker 1: the rest of the draft class. Of course, he's the

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Speaker 1: number two guy on Fox's broadcast teams, does a fantastic

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Speaker 1: job calling games on Sunday, and somehow he finds the

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Speaker 1: time to watch college tape to get ready for the

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Speaker 1: draft too. I don't know what he does where he

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Speaker 1: has all the time to football. Does he works his

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Speaker 1: ass off? I'll tell you that, Charles. You got John

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Speaker 1: Schmelk and Jeff Eagles here, and he's Ruther Fred. How

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Speaker 1: are you. I'm doing great. It's good to talk with

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Speaker 1: both of you guys again. Charles, We're doing great, and

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Speaker 1: I know you're grinding on the film and getting ready.

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Speaker 1: You're out at the combine with the cover John NFL

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Speaker 1: Network you do a great job with them as well. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's start here with this draft class. Broad he's speaking

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Speaker 1: putting the quarterbacks aside. I have Josh Allen, Quinnin Williams

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Speaker 1: and Bosa as kind of my top tier of non quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: not not necessarily, But do you think anyone else is

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Speaker 1: approaching them or do you think that's where that top

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Speaker 1: tier ends? No, I think that you're you're pretty accurate

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Speaker 1: about that top tier in terms of, you know, the

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Speaker 1: best pressure. We just talked strictly, Lineman, are you just

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Speaker 1: talking Are you talking top tier I'm talking to I'm

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Speaker 1: talking everyone in the draft that's that doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: QB in front of their name. Yeah. I mean you've

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Speaker 1: pretty much nailed it because this is the type of

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Speaker 1: year that is all about biggs, you know, and mean,

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Speaker 1: the bigs are dominating it. And I actually said this

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Speaker 1: before the Combine, and I almost cringed when I said

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Speaker 1: because I didn't want people to get the wrong impression.

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Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is if Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: had not said he was coming out and gonna play

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Speaker 1: football full time, the combine would had a totally different

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Speaker 1: tenor to it because because you guys know that of

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Speaker 1: the general public, the quarterbacks are. You can't talk enough

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Speaker 1: about quarterbacks, even if you say this isn't a good

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Speaker 1: year for quarterback, right and Kyler Murray gives you enough

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Speaker 1: with the intrigue at five ten and one eight and

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Speaker 1: the way he runs around and all that. If he

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Speaker 1: selling bigs all the time, it would have felt totally different.

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Speaker 1: So I think that you're on target. Now. There's one

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Speaker 1: guy that I might slip in there for you who

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Speaker 1: seems to be gathering more momentum as we go along,

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Speaker 1: and that's the linebacker Devin White from l s U.

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Speaker 1: Because because because there's there's a momentum there and again

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Speaker 1: we don't know between now and Nashville, right, but there

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Speaker 1: there's a momentum that he could go in the top

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Speaker 1: five of the draft now. So so that's something that's

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Speaker 1: something we weren't talking about. I don't think guys as

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Speaker 1: and he was terrific there. He and Devin Bush from Michigan.

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Speaker 1: You know, the linebackers have been called you know, telling

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Speaker 1: me about the linebacker crop well, it's the two Devons

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Speaker 1: and then we Devin squared. That's that's kind of where

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Speaker 1: we start with it. But even as we left there,

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Speaker 1: we talked about how great they were and how great

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Speaker 1: I think White was a little bit ahead of dev

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Speaker 1: top five. And I've got one, I've got another mock draft.

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Speaker 1: I have to actually have two more to do. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a very strong chance I'll have Devin White in

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Speaker 1: my top five. Well, they ask you this, Charles, and

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Speaker 1: You you nailed the first part. There's a little bit

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Speaker 1: part about it is when I watch Devin White, and

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Speaker 1: pumps up strong safety. Okay, back then we had real

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Speaker 1: in if you look at the top five, Oakland has

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Speaker 1: a need almost everywhere at four. But I just know

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Speaker 1: been a very very popular plate mock draft going at

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Speaker 1: going at five to Tampa Bay. Another work, another guy

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Speaker 1: that I've I've been I've been watching the NFL network

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Um. I saw yesterday Ed Oliver. Um. He's

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually rebounding. And we go through this

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Speaker 1: you guys know it as well as anyone. All Right,

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Speaker 1: here's how to me, this is how the draft goes.

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Speaker 1: You start out with the guys that you think are

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Speaker 1: Remember Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin the third they went

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Speaker 1: So I that long winded story about Ed to me

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Speaker 1: After a freshman year at Houston, was like, God, this

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Speaker 1: And then as time went on, we started nitpicking it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, John John Randall exactly enough. I think he's

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Speaker 1: John Randall, And that's a that's a great the great

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Speaker 1: now now coming at enough. If Ed Oliver had been

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Speaker 1: the year he was coming out. You know, so many

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Speaker 1: say about mock drafts, right as soon as you make

428
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Speaker 1: a mock draft prepared to be that's kind of how

429
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Speaker 1: it works, so so so you just you just wait

430
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Speaker 1: and see how it goes. But Riser makes that kind

431
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Speaker 1: of sense because he has that type of ability. And

432
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Speaker 1: I thought he had a very nice Senior Bowl week

433
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Speaker 1: and and and and answered the bell every time, even

434
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Speaker 1: if he got beaten a rep, he'd come back out

435
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Speaker 1: in the next one and win it. And he won

436
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Speaker 1: way more than he lost, So I thought I really

437
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: liked him. Check out his backstory. This is the kid

438
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: who really wants to be a football player. Absolutely, and

439
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Speaker 1: Charles talking about seventeen, I think giant fans and we

440
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: haven't talked about it as much as we should have

441
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Speaker 1: on this show either, and it's our fault. But I

442
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Speaker 1: think cornerback, I mean, who the heck is the giant

443
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Speaker 1: second starting cornerback. I don't think anybody knows right now,

444
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Speaker 1: So it's it's really it's really a need at seventeen.

445
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Speaker 1: Do you think they'll have the pick of the letter

446
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Speaker 1: or do you think someone's gonna be gone at that

447
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Speaker 1: position before they get the seventeen? And how do you

448
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Speaker 1: break down, you know, the top part of this cornerback class,

449
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 1: because to me, you've got good players, but they're all

450
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: good at different things depending on what you wanted to Yeah,

451
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Speaker 1: good point. I think that fifteen with Washington kind of

452
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Speaker 1: starts the bidding at corner to me, not saying again

453
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Speaker 1: that someone might not jump up there or one might

454
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Speaker 1: take one earlier, but fifteen looks like the break point

455
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Speaker 1: because Washington could very easily want to do that opposite

456
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Speaker 1: Josh Norman, because you know how many different guys have

457
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Speaker 1: played there over the last few years, right, I mean

458
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Speaker 1: it's been it's been a who's who or who's that

459
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Speaker 1: you know playing playing corner over there, so they could

460
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Speaker 1: use that. Is that a greedy Williams? Is that a

461
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Speaker 1: Byron Murphy? See? I got Murphy righted at the top

462
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Speaker 1: of my corner board. Edie Williams, I've got a first

463
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Speaker 1: round grade on because he has everything you're looking for.

464
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Speaker 1: But I just there's something there for me where if

465
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Speaker 1: I'm running a defense and I'm going to ask my

466
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Speaker 1: corner to be and run support. I haven't seen it

467
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Speaker 1: from him in L s U. Yeah. And by the way,

468
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Speaker 1: when he when he's in covert Charles, he doesn't exactly

469
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Speaker 1: get his head around the whole lot to locate the

470
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Speaker 1: ball either, not a whole lot on that one. But

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that that's I think that's

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Speaker 1: something that is a little bit of coaching. I'm not

473
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Speaker 1: saying he wasn't getting good coaching at L s U.

474
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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying more of an emphasis things of

475
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Speaker 1: that nature, because I do think he has good ball skills.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I worry about with him a little

477
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Speaker 1: bit speed wise. It feels like it's a little bit

478
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Speaker 1: of a build up speed, you know, and turning and going.

479
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Speaker 1: But he's got the length, he's got all the things

480
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Speaker 1: that you're looking for. I think that he is competitive,

481
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Speaker 1: that's not the issue. He's competitive when he when he's

482
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Speaker 1: out there and coverage, if he doesn't want to get

483
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Speaker 1: beat on any pass routes. If I've not seen him

484
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Speaker 1: do much tackling. And so if I'm a run support

485
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Speaker 1: team in my corner is gonna be and run support,

486
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be a legitimate question about whether you got

487
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Speaker 1: to ask yourself do you believe that he will do it?

488
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Speaker 1: Because we've seen that with guys before. Remember Domine Rodgers, Camarty.

489
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Speaker 1: When he came out, he was strictly a coverage guy,

490
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Speaker 1: but he turned into a guy that that would come

491
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Speaker 1: up and be a run support guy and in fact

492
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: finished up finished up his career plans and safety and

493
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: you know, you have to tackle his safety. So so

494
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying guys can't develop it. You know, people

495
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Speaker 1: hear me saying, oh my god, No, I'm not saying

496
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Speaker 1: that at all. Sometimes they just don't ask you to

497
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Speaker 1: do certain things in college. But Byron Murphy is the

498
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Speaker 1: guy that I liked the most. I like his instincts,

499
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Speaker 1: I like the way he built up his body before

500
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Speaker 1: the combine. And one thing about going to the combine.

501
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Speaker 1: How many guys have we seen come to the combine

502
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Speaker 1: that have added weight and then they don't test always

503
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: because because they've added the weight, they can't carry the weight.

504
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: This kid added fourteen pounds and tested and did everything.

505
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Speaker 1: So that told me that he was confident in what

506
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Speaker 1: he was carrying. He liked the build up of the weight.

507
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: He had been been in the weight room doing it

508
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Speaker 1: the right way. He was and doing it to Charles

509
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: Davis way, which is a stack of pancakes every morning.

510
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Speaker 1: He was doing it the right way, and he carried

511
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Speaker 1: it and did really well in the drill. So I

512
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Speaker 1: really liked him. DeAndre Baker, who I love on tape, competitive, tough,

513
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: we'll fight you on every play. I came away a

514
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Speaker 1: little lacking from the Combine. I don't think he's put

515
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: enough into the off season. And by the way, and

516
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: and word has at his meetings aren't going great either

517
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Speaker 1: from what I understand. Yeah, that's that's what I had

518
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: heard too. But when I watched him and watched him run,

519
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Speaker 1: he had told, you know, I've got friends. You know,

520
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: we all got friends, right, and I was someone who

521
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Speaker 1: was close to him. I said, what does he think

522
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Speaker 1: he's going to run? And the person looked at me

523
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: and said, he thinks he's going to run no higher

524
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Speaker 1: if the thing's gonna run into low four fours. And

525
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Speaker 1: I said, not a chance, and he said he said, yeah,

526
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Speaker 1: I know. I tried to tell him he might run

527
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Speaker 1: that if he was doing all the right things, but

528
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that he is so far. So that's

529
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Speaker 1: just one of the things. Now, does that mean that

530
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Speaker 1: he could a wake up call? Perhaps, because when you

531
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Speaker 1: watch him on tape, that has a fightty competitive dude

532
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: out on the corner. Now, I mean he's a guy

533
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: who's going to battle the heck out of you. And

534
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: I think he plays taller than what his listed height is.

535
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: So if I'm just watching DeAndre Baker on tape, I'm

536
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: really intrigued, Like that's the cat I want. This is

537
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: one of the see and earn their money doing their

538
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: homework on all these kids. Charles, A quick bonus question

539
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: here for you. Just a flyer movement in the draft.

540
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: You see some team that's kind of laying low in

541
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: the weeds right now that you may think that's gonna

542
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: shoot up into the draft to to grab somebody that

543
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: you want special. What do you think? That's a great question.

544
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: Here's here's here's my thought. You remember when Kansas City

545
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: jumps all the way up and grabbed my home. I

546
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: think to ten or twaid, whatever the number was, is crazy. Yeah, yeah,

547
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: I don't know they we'll have that kind of a move.

548
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: But I do know that down low, if you start

549
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: getting into Oakland with the two picks in the twenties,

550
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: you start getting into the Chargers at twenty eight. I

551
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: believe if there's all of a sudden someone they flat

552
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: out want, that might be the way Washington sits there

553
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: at fifteen. I think they've got some extra picks in

554
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: the second and third round. There's another team that possibly

555
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: could do some packaging. And it's not like they're shy

556
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 1: about wine to make a splash. We've seen that over

557
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: the years with Dan Snyder. So those are the types

558
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: of teams that I look at. But right now I'm

559
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: having trouble just saying, okay, is that because even with

560
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: Brian Lutkin's there, I don't see Green Baby and that

561
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: team to make that move with thirty right New England

562
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: at thirty one. You know they're trying to get into

563
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: the second round. You know, they're trying to dump out

564
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: of it. So so when you're starting to look late

565
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: in the late in the draft, and see, now, Philadelphia

566
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: has always been somewhat aggressive, but I don't know that

567
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: they feel like they need to be that aggressive in

568
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: this type of a draft either. So that would be

569
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: fun to watch because they made the move for Jordan

570
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: Howard he has today, so they're obviously not sitting there saying, well,

571
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: we're hoping Josh Jacob's falls to us, so so they

572
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: can now address other needs. To me, they might be

573
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: if they're going to be aggressive, to me to be

574
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: aggressive for an offensive lineman. Remember Brandon Brooks blew as

575
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: Achilles in the in the divisional playoff game. They're starting

576
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: right guard. Um, they had so much troubles left guard

577
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: last year, right with Sayamalo and and and and with

578
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: new Ski. They kind of traded position before they finally

579
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: settled on say A Malo last year. And then Jason Peters,

580
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's just like the movie Coming to America.

581
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: He's Joe Lewis is hundred thirty seven years old. But

582
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: it's a strong one thirty seven because it's still Jason Peters,

583
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: so is he's still gonna go out there and go

584
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: do it. But even so, how many games are Jason

585
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: not finished lashing? There are three or four games, There're

586
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: three or four games he didn't finish. He's still Jason

587
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: Peters deserves our utmost respect because he's going to the

588
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and he's a perennial law pro. But

589
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: do you have to take a look at that position

590
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: because that's how holy and are you gonna say that

591
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: he's your long term solution? We'll have to wait and see, Charles.

592
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: We talked about all the positions. Final one. We're gonna

593
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: have danil Rolovski in a second really quick? Does value

594
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: meet where the Giants are selecting if they want to

595
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: go quarterback in this draft? Does Haskins make sense at six?

596
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Do you think there'll be another player that's greatd a

597
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: lot higher? And then it's seventeen or even the top

598
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: of the second round. Is it too rich for a

599
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: Drew Lock or Daniel Jones? Do you think it makes sense?

600
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: And some of those guys on that second tier could

601
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: actually develop into a franchise level quarterback. Yeah, I think,

602
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: I think, to me, out of the grouping of we

603
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: know Murray right now, we're saying is going on. If

604
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Speaker 1: we say Haskins is in play, to me, he's in

605
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: play at six? Okay, I'm hearing a lot. I think,

606
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: like you guys are, that that might not be the

607
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: direction that Giants go. So if they don't go for

608
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: him at six, will he still be there seventeen? Potentially?

609
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: But you got Miami at thirteen, which I don't think

610
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna take a quarterback Washington at fifteen. Gotta be

611
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: interesting to see what they decided to do and who

612
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: they who they value, and who they rate, and then

613
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Speaker 1: you start to work your way through the Giants is seventeen,

614
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: I think may have may be able to pick if

615
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: they want a quarterback, let's say, between Haskins, Lock and

616
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, they may very well be able to do that.

617
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I know that Daniel Jones is attracting a lot more

618
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: attention after his Pro day from people like us. The

619
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Speaker 1: teams liked him before. I think his pro day was really,

620
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: really good. Is one of the better pro days we've

621
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Speaker 1: seen from a quarterback this year. I'd say probably second

622
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: behind Kyler Murray's overall and throwing the football interesting, Charles,

623
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Speaker 1: awesome stuff. We really time. Thank you for joining us

624
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: every year talking draft and Giants football. Thanks so much,

625
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: and make sure you check out his work on Fox,

626
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: NFL Network and uh anywhere else you're working, Charles, before

627
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: we get to the draft, serious, what are you doing? No? No,

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's enough. Perfect draft, the draft

629
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Speaker 1: predictions on the bad video game, So we do that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not doing any draft stuff on that.

631
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Speaker 1: So but if anybody wants to buy Madden, we're all

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Speaker 1: full right, Okay, awesome and get Dlosky my absolute bet, Charles.

633
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to mock your mock too, So that's okay,

634
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna look at it and I'm gonna

635
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: enjoy it that you got that going for you today.

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00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: You're welcome, appreciate that. Not a full mock list. If

637
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: you want to give a small smile to chuckle, I

638
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: understand that. There it is. Okay, Thank you, Charles, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Enjoy the next few weeks of chaos.

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Speaker 1: now it's time for our next guest. Were joined by

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Speaker 1: Dan Orlovski. You know him from ESPN, but if you

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Speaker 1: listen to this show, you knew him before he got

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Speaker 1: the ESPN and he joined us on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Dan, you got johnsch Milk and Jeff Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us again this year. How

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Speaker 1: about you. I'm doing good. It's good to be back

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Speaker 1: with you guys. You guys, well, oh yeah, we're doing great. Then.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. Jeff and I were just chatting before the

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Speaker 1: show and before we had you on how not a

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Speaker 1: one of us are surprised how well you're doing at ESPN.

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Speaker 1: We were both really impressed with the quarterback breakdowns last

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Speaker 1: year and it's really well deserved and we're happy for you. Definitely.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. It's

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Speaker 1: been a fun year, so I appreciate your kind words.

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00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: Not absolutely, and we love and we love watching you

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Speaker 1: on TV. Let's start the basics. Who's your QB one

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Speaker 1: in this class and why it's Kyler Murray. It has

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Speaker 1: been since Kyler Murray decided to go and become full football. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is strictly on watching tape and not getting to

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Speaker 1: Noah guy or whatnot. But just I said this last year,

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Speaker 1: and I'll say this every year, like for you to

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Speaker 1: be the best UH at your position coming out for you,

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Speaker 1: you better do things that I just can't coach. And

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Speaker 1: he just has traits that you can't coach. I mean

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Speaker 1: I kind of comp them to Michael Vick, where you know,

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Speaker 1: we we we have been seeing a guy that can

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Speaker 1: throw this well and you know, has this arm flick

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Speaker 1: ability and speed. We haven't seen it since Michael Vick.

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Speaker 1: And so Tyler Murray's tape is the one that just

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Speaker 1: consistently pops and he gets a lot of credit for

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Speaker 1: being an athlete, and he is an absolutely special athlete.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, He's as special thrower as he is

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Speaker 1: a runner. So it's Pryler Murray and it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: decent gap to me. I Prayler Murray has got the

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Speaker 1: chance to be a special player. What about Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you you mentioned that that trade there use there's things

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Speaker 1: you can't coach, do you what do you see in

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Speaker 1: one and some of the players last year that someone

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Speaker 1: is there anyone there last year that you say you know,

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Speaker 1: you just can't coach this type of ability and compared

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Speaker 1: to this class this year, well, you know, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of a morphing. Uh. You know, I didn't necessarily see

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Speaker 1: this a ton on tape last year from Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: but it showed up a lot in the NFL. The

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Speaker 1: key season was, you know, a twitchy mind. A lot

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Speaker 1: of you know guys have slow minds, and what I

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Speaker 1: mean twitch is like it is like um like it

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Speaker 1: it's almost like you know, Mayweather throwing jabs where you know,

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Speaker 1: the we see twitchy athletes all the time where they

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Speaker 1: can get their feet up and down off the ground.

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Speaker 1: But Kyler Murray has this twitchy mind where everything happens

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Speaker 1: really fast for him and it's not how to control thing,

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Speaker 1: but it allows him to to get through progressions or

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Speaker 1: to understand where issues are. And a Baker showed that

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Speaker 1: a you know some in Oklahoma, but a lot in

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Speaker 1: the NFL last year. And then probably the best calm

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Speaker 1: over or kind of relation. And I love this about

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald's game last year was like Sam Donald made

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Speaker 1: all the right kinds of throws and it didn't matter

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Speaker 1: what his feet looked like it he didn't need to

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Speaker 1: be perfect in the pocket, and he pointed in the

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Speaker 1: perfect Kyler Murray makes throws that he can change trajectory,

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Speaker 1: he can change tempo, he can put it on this shoulder.

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Speaker 1: And his feet aren't perfect in the pocket. And I

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Speaker 1: can't stress that enough of Like, yes, accuracy matters. When

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Speaker 1: you like your feet drive everything, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: But for you to have a trait where you can

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Speaker 1: click the ball here, place the ball there, and you're

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Speaker 1: not perfect in the pocket, that is that is Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers esque in a way. And so those are things

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna coach Tyler has those traits. We're joined

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Speaker 1: by Dani Orlovski from ESPN. Dan a little bit deeper

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Speaker 1: on Murray and I probably washed around seven or eight games.

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Speaker 1: And here's my one concern, And tell me whether or

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Speaker 1: not I'm nitpicking or if I'm onto something here he

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Speaker 1: can throw from the pocket. He's extremely accurate, he's got

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Speaker 1: a great arm. No debate on any of those things.

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Speaker 1: But to me, a lot of those stories in the

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Speaker 1: pocket came when he had a ton of time and

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Speaker 1: he kind of just sat there and was able to

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Speaker 1: wait and wait and wait and wait because he wasn't

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Speaker 1: rushed a whole lot until that Alabama game, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of on time quick throws into short,

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Speaker 1: intermediate areas in the middle of the field. And I

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Speaker 1: wonder if that's an issue with him trying to find

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Speaker 1: those passing windows. He doesn't get balls knocked down now,

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Speaker 1: But I just don't see a lot of passes in

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Speaker 1: that area where I know you have to be able

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Speaker 1: to complete passes if you're going to be successful in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Am I nitpicking? Or am I onto something there? No?

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Speaker 1: I mean you want to nitpick, right? I mean, if

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Speaker 1: if you're teams you're gonna take this kid, it's a

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Speaker 1: numb wonna pick, you better nitpick and you better find

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Speaker 1: what what he's bad at. I don't see that. And

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. I don't ever like the whold talent

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Speaker 1: against guys um and saying okay, good offensive line. Well,

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Speaker 1: at some point you better hope he's got a good

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Speaker 1: offensive line in the NFL. Of course part of it.

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Speaker 1: And then the height thing is the reality where as

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Speaker 1: a team you it's been when you take him, it

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Speaker 1: is your responsibility to know that you here's the analogy

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Speaker 1: that I use, are kind of the example that I

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Speaker 1: use is if I take a quarterback and put him

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Speaker 1: under center or in the shotgun, and I just take

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Speaker 1: him and give him a straight drop back, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go straight, three step drop or five step drop. Basically,

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Speaker 1: the pocket starts at about six or seven yards wide.

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Speaker 1: If you go tackle to tackle, it's about a six

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Speaker 1: or seven yard wide pocket. And if all I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do is the coaches have my quarterback drop back, the

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Speaker 1: only thing that happens to that pocket is it gets constricted.

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Speaker 1: It's like falls caming in on you because those tackles

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Speaker 1: are getting pushed back. And the great coaches that understand

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Speaker 1: the I don't want to say limitations, but how you

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Speaker 1: help not only quarterbacks but everybody. But in specific here,

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Speaker 1: your quarterback is the snap. You find ways to expand

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Speaker 1: the pocket. That's what creates the natural throwing path throwing lane.

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Speaker 1: So utilizing play action, maybe you stress play action to

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Speaker 1: the left side of your offensive line, in your right

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Speaker 1: side stays home. Maybe it's a play action where both

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Speaker 1: sides have a little bit of width expansion, there's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a pocket movement. So that's the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff's job is to making sure that that you're not

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Speaker 1: just going all right, here comes the walls cave, walls caving.

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Speaker 1: Is I don't see that with Kyler Muri on tape,

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Speaker 1: where yes there's times where he hangs onto the ball.

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Speaker 1: Part of that is because they're calling shots. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a product of Oklahoma's offense. Is they're trying to chuck

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Speaker 1: the balls down field. But a game to go watch

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Speaker 1: where he's really firing through some things is Texas Tech

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Speaker 1: because Texas Tech got home to him a little bit early,

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Speaker 1: and he threw an early inception where he got confused

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Speaker 1: on the coverage and then he gets through a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff and gets super accurate. Kansas because Kansas played

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Speaker 1: really good defense. Again that that again against them that day.

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Speaker 1: He looks most like a traditional quarterback against Kansas and

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Speaker 1: then U c l A. There's a multiple clips against

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Speaker 1: c where the intermediate past conceipts so quickly. That's where

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Speaker 1: the twitchy came. The twitchy. I love the twitchy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you look at Aaron Rodgers. That's twitchy. But he also

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Speaker 1: has the ability to put the ball places where you

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Speaker 1: don't think he can, and he does. Um Dan, let

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Speaker 1: me talk to you a little bit about So you know,

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Speaker 1: there's all kinds of these workouts. You have the combine,

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Speaker 1: and then you have the pro days, and then you

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Speaker 1: have those personal days where the guys are asked to

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Speaker 1: come into this facility and meet with the coaching staff

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Speaker 1: for an experience in a standard period of time over

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Speaker 1: ten twelve hours. To you two questions here, Number one,

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Speaker 1: what of those three what do you like the best?

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Speaker 1: And how can you get your analogy? Out of those

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Speaker 1: those three, which ones do you think is the best?

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Speaker 1: And second of all, are there any intangibles that you

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Speaker 1: can find in any of those meetings, not off the field.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about in the classroom, some of the intangibles

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Speaker 1: that might show better than others in that kind of atmosphere. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would, I would. I'm not a huge combined person

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Speaker 1: at all. Um. Yeah, some time with the players, all

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Speaker 1: that sounds good. I do appreciate the Pro day and

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Speaker 1: this is why I believe that the Pro Day gives

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Speaker 1: you an opportunity as a player and really a quarterback

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Speaker 1: to really evaluate. Okay, I'm obviously a prospect right now.

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Speaker 1: What did I do well and what did I not

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Speaker 1: do well in my season? And how can I go

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Speaker 1: on at my pro day and display I get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm willing to be a part of this process.

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Speaker 1: Like my point is, you know, at some point during

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Speaker 1: the pro day you gotta show, like, listen, I believe

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Speaker 1: I'm the best at this, and let me show you why.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's do some stuff. So an example for

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Speaker 1: me would be true Locks pro day where Drew Lock

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Speaker 1: really kind of threw it all over the lock. Did

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Speaker 1: he throw it really well? Yes? Should he yes? Would

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Speaker 1: I be concerned if he didn't, Yes, But there still

817
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Speaker 1: is something to be said for going, hey, everybody, look

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Speaker 1: at me, I do this really good. And then I'll

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Speaker 1: use Dwayne Haskins as an example who during the season

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Speaker 1: struggled when he had to move, like when he had

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Speaker 1: to move a little bit in the pocket, his accuracy dropped.

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Speaker 1: And then you watch this pro day and that was

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Speaker 1: the obvious focus is We're gonna move around and make

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Speaker 1: challenging throws. But so that to me, if I'm an

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Speaker 1: evaluators going all right, I can dig that because you've

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Speaker 1: showed me some self awareness, uh, and the willingness to work.

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Speaker 1: But I would say by far getting to spend ten

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Speaker 1: or twelve hours with a guy one day, and I

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Speaker 1: would be really focused on a couple of things. One Listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm marrying you. If I'm a team, I'm literally marrying you.

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Speaker 1: So we better get We better get along because if

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work out you and I, it's not cheaper keeper,

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Speaker 1: you know, and so or it's cheaper keeper, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: cost me a lot of money when we have to divorce,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna cost me a lot of pain and

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Speaker 1: sleepless night. It's gonna affect everybody in our family, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what divorces often get ugly. So that's

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Speaker 1: I just gotta get along with you. I've got to

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Speaker 1: see things the same way. And also this would matter

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Speaker 1: to me, what are you enjoying this ten or twelve

841
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: hour day? Because the NFL is about twelve, fourteen, sixteen

842
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: hour days for about a hundred days streight. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that's not a grind, but I need you

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Speaker 1: to love the grind. And so I would just want

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Speaker 1: to get a post for Yeah, it's a long day

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00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: and there's some of it that sucks, for sure, but

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Speaker 1: do you like the suck? Like I was a player,

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Speaker 1: I liked it that that's what in my mind, that's

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Speaker 1: why I was different, And so I would want to

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Speaker 1: get a feel for what is energy level? Was like,

851
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: what is appreciation for it? Was like, I would want

852
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: a guy that kind of love the sucky part of it.

853
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: And you can get a decent feel me. Guys, know,

854
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: you spend a day with somebody, you get a pretty

855
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: good feel for like, all right, does this person like

856
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: to work? Are they lazy? Do they're like shortcuts? You know?

857
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we can you can most people get a

858
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: pretty good deal. I would like that. Well, I mean

859
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times too, is that when you're with

860
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: a person for twelve hours, you definitely get to know them.

861
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, these guys are so

862
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: scripted all the time when it comes to these pro

863
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: days and and the interviews at the combine and stuff.

864
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: So when you're with these guys for an extended period

865
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: of time, you're popping some questions they're not ready for

866
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: and you can see their response and that will kind

867
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: of give you a little bit of an idea of

868
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: how they how they are too, you know, yeah, And

869
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: I would honestly, I mean, and I'm a little bit

870
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 1: weird like this maybe but I would want to see,

871
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: like how they handled stuff that didn't go well, Like

872
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: if we're in if we're in the lunch line, I

873
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: might purposely like them and walk into them and make

874
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: their fool football and the ground something like yeah, right,

875
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: I can see it though I totally get me. That

876
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: might sound, but like can you handle it? Okay? Can

877
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: you handle it respectfully? Uh? Oh, I want this. We

878
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: don't have that, like can you just like you know, like,

879
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: do you think you're better than everybody or you're you're

880
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: such a big deal that you have to have things

881
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: this acific way. I would just want to see how

882
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: they handled all that stuff because as a as a quarterback,

883
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: you're a CEO of a billion dollar company, and a

884
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of that is handling. Handling bad. You've gotta be

885
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: a good problem solver. And I've always said off the

886
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: field matters more than on the field for quarterbacks. I

887
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: would just really be interested by and that stuff. We're

888
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: drawned by Dani Rolaski. Dan, let's go to what most

889
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: people's QB two is in this group. Maybe he's not

890
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: for you. U tell us you got Dwayne Haskins. You

891
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: mentioned his issues with his feet sometimes and moving, throwing

892
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: on the move, throwing at different slots. I didn't think

893
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: he dealt with pressure in his face all that well.

894
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: I thought he stepped up in the pocket pretty okay. Uh.

895
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: Obviously his numbers are off the charts. His production was phenomenal.

896
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: What's your overall take on Haskins it is? Is he

897
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: your clear cut QB two? Uh? No, he's not my

898
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: clear cut TB two? He was about a month ago.

899
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: Are you still like the guys that I like? Second?

900
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: But it's not a runaway second. Uh. Listen, he's very intelligent,

901
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: and I'm as big a proponent as like you gotta

902
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: be able to think as a quarterback. He's very smart.

903
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: You can see like he's one of these few quarterbacks

904
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: and then our college football he can get to a

905
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and look at a defense and go, okay,

906
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: play is this your defense? Is this that's gonna be

907
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: a problem for me? What's my answer? Like, you've got

908
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: a bad I'm in a bad situation right now. I

909
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: gotta make sure I communicate this because somebody and he's

910
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: also the same guy that looks at the defense and goes,

911
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: all right, you want to do this to my player?

912
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: Right now. I got you. I'm coming here. I come

913
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: because I can go into a tech mood. So I

914
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: love the surreal part of it. Uh, he's really accurate

915
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: when he's in a like his base is very good. Uh,

916
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: it's just physically and he's really accurate. Yeah, Like he

917
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: struggled when he was supports to move in the pocket.

918
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: But this is a little bit of like a p

919
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: s A. So do most humans you know like that.

920
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: It's not uh like a drastically oh my goodness problem,

921
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: but it's But that's also something that you can work on.

922
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: Like Tom Brady didn't come out of Michigan being the

923
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: most he's fish pocket passing movement quarterback ever. He's the

924
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: greatest ever moving in the pocket. That but his obsessive

925
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: work ethic with it has allowed that. So that's not

926
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: like a huge issue to me. I guess the the

927
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: big issue that I have with Dwayne Haskins is like

928
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: he was never his offensive line took a lot of

929
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: black this year in the run game, deservedly so, but

930
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: they're pretty darn good in the past game. He was

931
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: never really forced to play fast, Like I don't I

932
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of examples on tape where he's

933
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: got to play fast, where it's like, Okay, I was

934
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: anticipating this thing and this happened, and what's my what's

935
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: my next choice? And it didn't almost in a moment

936
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: of panic? What does he do in panic modes this?

937
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: He was never put in those situations. Block Um, so

938
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: I get a little bit like, all right, that's a

939
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: projection and that's a that's a risky projection to take.

940
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: And then I'd say this and this is something that

941
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: is a nit picking, but you can get better at this.

942
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: Is he's really good with his eyes. He's really good

943
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: with Okay, I need to move this person to make

944
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: sure I have this opened up or whatnot. Uh, but

945
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: he needs to learn, like one, if you're moving one

946
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: guy with your eyes, there's a couple others that are

947
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: paying attention to And so sometimes he would be staring

948
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: one way and just blindly believing that no one else

949
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: was gonna fall into that vision, and guys did and

950
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: he he cost him a couple of interceptions it should

951
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: have cost them for so just that understanding of you,

952
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: you can't it's not it's not just a one guy movement.

953
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: There's everybody looking and so again a little nitpicking, but

954
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: that will be part of his maturation and learning process.

955
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: I really like a lot about him, though, Dan, How

956
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: would you compare him to Josh Rosen last year? Because

957
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: I think both guys traditional poka pash is both very accurate,

958
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: especially in an intermediate area, and obviously there are some

959
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: reports that Rosen might become available at some point. How

960
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: did you compare those two guys, and even throwing what

961
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: you saw from Rosen last year with the Cardinals behind

962
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: one of the worst offensive lines of all time of all, Yeah, right,

963
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: I like Rosen better and pretty good better. Uh. Listen,

964
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen. This is what we've heard about him since

965
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: he's coming to the NFL, and this is not you know,

966
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: uh said a lot, and it's maybe not completely uniform,

967
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: but we've heard from teams that liked him last year

968
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: and then people have been around him this year. One

969
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: of the best throwers of the football they've ever seen. Okay,

970
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: that's a pretty strong comment. I players in Arizona who

971
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: have said that about about him to me, and then

972
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: one of the best football minds, quarterback wise, they've ever seen.

973
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: So we've got this guy who just one year ago

974
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: was a prospect and some people who bought highly of

975
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: him some okay, but like and people are saying some

976
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: one of the best about him. That's pretty good. So uh,

977
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: I think very highly of Josh Rose and I did

978
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: last year. I still do. What happened the Arizona does

979
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: not change that. It was the worst offensive line, the

980
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: worst run game, one of the worst skilled groups. He

981
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: takes the most top fifteen defenses in the NFL on

982
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: any rookie quarterback last year. So not a not a

983
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: routine for success. If they were both coming out of

984
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: the draft this year, I would like Josh Rosen more

985
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: than I like Josh Dwayne Haskins. Interesting, what about Kyler?

986
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: Would you take him over Josh Rosen in a day?

987
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, Um, so we got all these guys,

988
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: and you know, at this time of the year, it

989
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: changes as it did last year. You know, some people

990
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: had um Baker Mayfield first and some people had Sam

991
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: Donald first. So who in your mind is gaining some

992
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: some traction or ground if you will, on Haskins and

993
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: too for that number day. I know he said that

994
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: he's not your true true number two guy, But who

995
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: would you say is gaining a little bit yeah, Drew Lock. Okay, sure,

996
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: Drew Lock from Missouri. Uh. You know, I did a

997
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: Missouri game last year at Call Calls Football Games for ESPN,

998
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: and I did their bowl game and so you watch

999
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: on tape and yes, he's a talented kid. Uh, he

1000
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: can he can make throws that will wow you. Um.

1001
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of different throws from a

1002
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: lot of different body positions and dropping the arm down

1003
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: somewhat of a Matthew Stafford Patrick Mahomes type thing. Uh.

1004
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: In the boot game, played very impressive. Made some throws

1005
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: in the bowl game that we're really good. And I like.

1006
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: I like a couple of things about his game. One

1007
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: the platform off platform are off balance throws are there.

1008
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: It's because the arm talent. But I love his I

1009
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: mean the arm strength, but I love the aggressive mindset

1010
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: that he has. There's some throws against Alabama that are

1011
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: like home smokes. I mean they are legit throws. And

1012
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: this is not this is not where the guy has

1013
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: to a game and fifteen a game where you go,

1014
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: what's going on? Like, uh, where where was that ball? Uh?

1015
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: The he to me, outside of Kyler Murray is the

1016
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: biggest filed card in intriguing prospect in this strap because

1017
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: the talent is there, but the offense that Missouri ran,

1018
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: you just don't know what they asked of him because

1019
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: it was a ton of our pos, a ton of

1020
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: ur pos. And then you don't ever like you don't

1021
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: know what they tell their kids protection wise, Like there's

1022
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: some place where you go, hey, dude, do you know

1023
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: what the protection is? And then there's some place going

1024
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: does anybody know what the protection? You know? So I

1025
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: get I you know, like it's it's so intriguing not

1026
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: having the ability to spend time with them and get

1027
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: the Okay, what's your brain like, because sometimes on tape

1028
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: it looks like, yeah, he's got a good one, and

1029
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: sometimes on tape with your left questioning, um, he's streaky.

1030
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: You know there's some streaky play there. I guess that

1031
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: the downside, he gets a lot of balls knocked down

1032
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage and sometimes the ball drops

1033
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: down And I'm not this big, like throwing motion, physical guy,

1034
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: but I sometimes like he got like twelve passes vatted

1035
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: down at the line of scrimmage as here it was

1036
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: like top their bottom ten and college football and so

1037
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: like to me, it's like, what's up? What's up with that? Um?

1038
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: Very much to a progression based offense, not a downside

1039
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: to that, But that means that you don't necessarily have

1040
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: to know the coverage after the snap. I would want

1041
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: to know where he stands on that. But man, he's

1042
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: he's a he's a talented kid. And from everything that

1043
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: I know his quarterback coach, Jordan Palmer well Um and

1044
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: everything you hear about him, people go like, this guy's

1045
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: like special, special guy when it comes to being a

1046
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: dude and being a guy and being a you know which, No,

1047
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: that's not gonna make you really good, but it's part

1048
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: of it now. So he's he's growing in my eyes, Dan,

1049
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: how about Daniel Jones? And we're drawn by dani Orlovsky

1050
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: And this goes back to what you talked about what's

1051
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: important to you with quarterbacks? Can they do stuff that

1052
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: I can't coach? And I think when you watch Daniel Jones,

1053
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: you're like, Wall, this guy's been coached really well, right fundamentals, progressions.

1054
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: You could tell David cuf Cliffe has him in the

1055
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: room and he's learned a lot from the guy. But

1056
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: does he have those traits that aren't coachable that you

1057
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: think will translate that can turn him into a starting

1058
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL that can not just you know,

1059
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: be a helper, but take control and win football games

1060
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: for you. Uh well physically yes, Like he's got Like

1061
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: when I say uncoachable trade, you got the best the

1062
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: first take in the draft, right of course, first round

1063
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: quarterback though, Like you need to have skill in talent

1064
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: that's really good? Uh did Daniel Jones? So I did

1065
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: a Duke game as well this year? He was coming

1066
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: off of his broken collar book. Daniel Jones to me

1067
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: is very similar to Alex Smith, where it's a great

1068
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: question of is Daniel Jones going to get coached better

1069
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL than he has that do unless he

1070
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: goes to a couple of teams. Probably not. And so

1071
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: the question that everyone asks is is he as good

1072
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: as he ever gonna be? The answers always no. Because

1073
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: he was at Duke, he was in school and playing football.

1074
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: Now he will be fully committed to playing football. He'll

1075
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: have a professional staff with him when it comes to

1076
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: off the field stuff. That's going to only allow him

1077
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: to get better. But the question that really matters is

1078
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: how much better can he actually become than he is

1079
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: right now. With his game, the ball is gonna go

1080
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: where it's supposed to go when it's supposed to go

1081
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: there like that is consistently parkas under twelve or fifteen yards.

1082
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: He's gonna be really accurate. Like he's gonna be very

1083
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: accurate with the football. I'm not His arm is plenty

1084
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: strong enough downfield, you just don't see it a lot. So, uh,

1085
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: it's not the is it strong up? It is it

1086
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: can you hit the shots that are downfield and in coverage?

1087
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: Like I go to the Clemson game. Clemson played really

1088
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: sticky coverage. He does not make a single throw the

1089
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: whole game, and so I go, uh, you know that

1090
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: that would be somewhat of an eye eyebrows browed razor

1091
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: to me, um, But he doesn't miss many recrus and

1092
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: many reads. The funny thing for me is he's a

1093
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: good athlete, right. He can make some plays, really good

1094
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: basketball player, makes some places his feet fun He's so

1095
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: conditioned and he's so prepared as a player in the

1096
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: pocket with his brain when it comes to the reads

1097
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: and progressions and whatnot, that he sometimes gets impatient if

1098
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't go how it's supposed to go like you know. Uh,

1099
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: it's almost like as a parent, like okay, if you

1100
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: do this and this and this, that doesn't mean anything

1101
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: with my kids because they have a mind of their own.

1102
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes football plays do his well, and as a parent

1103
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: you can go, well, I did A and B C

1104
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: should happen, and that doesn't happen. And so sometimes there's

1105
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: a quarterback you can do A and B and C

1106
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. And on tape it looks like when C

1107
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: doesn't happen or it doesn't happen, he gets them patient.

1108
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: It almost freaks out. That would be like something I go, okay,

1109
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: you know what's up with that? Um? And then also

1110
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to hate on the kids, like he's

1111
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: a sweetheart of the kids, and he's very bright and

1112
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: he's very well mannered. I just don't know if I

1113
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: if I want, if I if I can't have that

1114
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: leading a group of men. Uh. He reminds me a

1115
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: lot just like hearing them talk and mannerisms and whatnot.

1116
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of Joey Harrington, where you know,

1117
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: really really nice. I'm not saying that they're gonna have

1118
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: to say in careers but really nice and really well spoken.

1119
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: But are you confident in your skin? And uh that

1120
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: that would be something that I have to spend some

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00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: time with getting to answer. Um, Dan, let me ask

1122
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: you this. So this there's a lot of speculation if

1123
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: it is, because this is what we do. We talk

1124
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: about the picks are they're coming up, and the fans

1125
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: here are like, okay, you know the Giants obviously, or

1126
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna go with Eli Manning for the two thousand

1127
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: and nineteen season. It's just kind of that's the way

1128
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna go. At number six and number seventeen. The

1129
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: Giants are sitting here, you're in the war room right now,

1130
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: You've done all these interviews, you've got your idea of

1131
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: what what direction you want to go, and the general

1132
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: manager says, we're going quarterback here. Okay, However, there's a

1133
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: chance that maybe that we could get Josh Rosen if

1134
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: this something happens there, or we go with the number

1135
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: six pick with the quarterback and keep them behind Eli

1136
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: Manning for a year, or even go with the guy.

1137
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So at that seventeen picks, a lot of

1138
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: the guys that we've talked about, Will Drew lock still

1139
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: be there at seventeen with Daniel Jones still be there

1140
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: at seventeen. Give me your pick. You're on the clock

1141
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: now in the war room. You're gonna make a trade

1142
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: with Arizona for Josh Rosen or you're gonna go with

1143
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: the number six pick at a quarterback. Oh, I make

1144
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: a trade for Josh Rosen as long as it's not

1145
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: the six pick, as long as yo Josh Rosen. Okay, yeah,

1146
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: because I I I and listen. I don't think the

1147
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: Giants are given that six pick for Josh Rosen. There's

1148
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: no way. So I would think that maybe it might

1149
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: be dropped down at maybe that seventeenth pick or even

1150
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: into the second round. But we'll see. So just yeah,

1151
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: obviously you you kind of made your point about Josh

1152
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: Rosen and some of the intangrals that he brings to

1153
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: the table, and plus he's got a year of experience

1154
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: in the league. So you know, there's another conversation that

1155
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: we would have to have after that, now that now

1156
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: that Eli Manning is here and Josh Rojan But so

1157
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: we'll see, you know, real quickly, if it was Dwayne

1158
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: Haskins and he was asked to sit for a year.

1159
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: Obviously this is kind of a captain, you know, obvious,

1160
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: but it can only help him sitting behind Eli Manning.

1161
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: But you know what, what are some of the things

1162
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: that he do? You think that he would learn from Elie? Well,

1163
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: this is why I've been one of the people that

1164
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: everyone's like talked about, like the Giants need to like

1165
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: move on from Eli. And I've been to people like whoa, whoa, whoa,

1166
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: Like it's not that easy. First of all, Like, there's

1167
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: part of the reasons that Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield

1168
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: had the success that they did as rookies is because

1169
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: they had a Josh McCown in one locker room and

1170
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: a Drew Stanton and Tyrod Taylor in another locker room.

1171
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: There's a reason why Buffalo was so hell bent on

1172
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: getting Derek Anderson because those veterans are so important for

1173
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: these young kids. So as Eli's play slipped, yes, but like, dude,

1174
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 1: you're you're not drafting a quarterback into Jacksonville, Like this

1175
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: is a and you guys know, like this is a

1176
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: brutal market to be it and putting it you know, like,

1177
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a privilege. It's that's what makes

1178
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: it so sports of stinking awesome is is you get

1179
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: to be in that market and the fans are so passionate. Um.

1180
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: And so for me outside of like the football aspect

1181
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: is hey, you can make the case Eli's handled the

1182
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: New York market as good as any New York sport question. Um.

1183
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: And so just learning that, like how Eli, how did

1184
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: you handle it? How? And not not everybody's the same.

1185
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: You gotta be yourself, like how did you handle, you know,

1186
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: a great Monday night football performance, and what was your mind?

1187
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: How did you handle three losses in a row? How

1188
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: did you handle throwing a pick to lose the game?

1189
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: How did you handle the interview requests? And how did

1190
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: you handle the media and the pressure and the microscope

1191
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: that is is similar to I mean, when you play quarterback,

1192
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: it's it's the president. When you played quarterback for the

1193
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: New York team, you're the president of the United States

1194
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: seven three sixty five scrutiny, you know. And so just

1195
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: a loans the wealth of knowledge that Eli could share

1196
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: about so many things that go with the things that

1197
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: you can't measure. This the stuff that's done in the dark,

1198
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: all that would be immeasurable to Dwayne Haskins, a lock

1199
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: of Rosen just literally being a sponge. Dan, I got

1200
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: two more quickies for you before before we say goodbye,

1201
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: Dani Lasky ESPN. How about little Greer. I've I've talked

1202
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: to Charlie Weiss's former offensive coordinator here and obviously he's

1203
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: been an offensive mind the NFL for a long time.

1204
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: He loves Will Greer, he has him as his number

1205
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: three quarterback in this class. I think, what do you

1206
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: think of Greer? And how early do you think he

1207
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: might go? And how deserving is he to go? And

1208
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: why do you think he's a good prospect. Yeah, this

1209
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: is a great thing about working at ESPN and doing

1210
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: both as I did a West Virginia game as well

1211
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: as absolutely absolutely loved the kid. Loved the kid and

1212
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: teams are gonna fall in love with his uh persona.

1213
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: His maturity is outstanding. He did a lot of good

1214
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: stuff at the line of scrimmage. He covered up a

1215
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: lot of issues for West Virginia, the bad offensive line. Um.

1216
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: Very good anticipatory thrower of the football. That's his strength,

1217
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: like really good anticipation getting the ball out his hands.

1218
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily see him as a first rounder I

1219
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: don't know if I see him as a second rounder

1220
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: and I want the kid to succeed. I really do.

1221
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: Two reasons why. Sometimes he just labors to throw the

1222
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: football like it's not a it's not a effortless natural

1223
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: thing to me, what would and and that that matters

1224
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: to me a little bit, especially if I go, hey,

1225
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a first round draft pick for me.

1226
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: And then there's there's the majority of his tape where

1227
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: he's really struggles in the pocket to just want move

1228
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: like sometimes he just struggles to move in the pocket

1229
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 1: and the awareness and the pocket is not good. And

1230
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: that would be something that I go, all right, like,

1231
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: this is obviously a developmental part of his game that

1232
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: we've got to sit this guy for at least a

1233
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: year or two. At least a year or two, So

1234
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: I see him as like a third rounder type thing. Um,

1235
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: But there's traits that you like, but stuff that you

1236
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: gotta go all right, I gotta pay attention to this,

1237
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: all right, Dan, final question of the rest of the guys.

1238
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking Stidham, You're talking Finley Minshew, the

1239
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: ripping kid from Boise, Stay Jackson from Buffalo. Any of

1240
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: these guys that that are you're higher on than others,

1241
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: and you really think it could be a good potential

1242
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: long term investment that could develop into a starter or

1243
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: and not just be a career backup in the league.

1244
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: I think the easy answer is starv Jackson because he's

1245
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: he looks like a physical freak. Uh and and he's

1246
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: got some absolute wow throws on tape. But Jared stid

1247
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: have got some stuff to him. Uh. I have no

1248
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: idea why he went to Auburn. That is painful tape

1249
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: to watch. When he comes to quarterback play, I mean,

1250
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: you literally don't know what there if I have to

1251
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: watch one more trick play um and no one for them.

1252
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: But it's really really hard to coach into a quarterback. Hey,

1253
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: staying here while this guy is gonna come split your

1254
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: Sernam in half and throw the ball. And him is

1255
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: a dude when it comes to like all right, I'm

1256
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: gonna hang in here and deliver this ball, really natural

1257
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: throw of the football. Uh. And I just think he's

1258
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: got some stuff to him. I just think he's got

1259
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of stuff in his neck that, uh,

1260
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily get to see on taper. Whatnot. He'd

1261
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: be a guy that if he's hanging around like the

1262
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: second round, third round and whatnot, like I would be

1263
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: very interested in going to get him. All right, we

1264
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: will want to get a guy in another day or

1265
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: two because he's got some stuff to him that I

1266
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: really like. Dan, great stuff. You really appreciate the time

1267
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: for joining us second rade year doing quarterbacks in the draft.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again around this time next year,

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Speaker 1: maybe during the season to break down some Giants football.

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Speaker 1: Best luck on ESPN show. We're going to see a

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Speaker 1: lot in the coming weeks getting ready for the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, luck with everything, Dan, Thank you, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Have a great day. Thank you. And

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Speaker 1: Laski does a fantastic job for ESPN. You see him

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Speaker 1: on Get Up, you see him doing the college football

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Speaker 1: as he mentioned, and everything else with ESPN. Really just

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Speaker 1: a wonderful job. In his background, obviously he played NFL

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Speaker 1: quarterback for you know, it wasn't a perennial law pro guy,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, he's been around the game a lot.

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Speaker 1: He's intelligent. I probably should have mentioned that he was

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Speaker 1: the backup quarterback for the Lions for a very very

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Speaker 1: long time. And another team, so that that's where he

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Speaker 1: gets his experience from. But I have very knowledgeable and

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Speaker 1: and you know what's nice about this is talking to

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that's actually played the position. You know, we

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Speaker 1: can talk to one about people that's never played the position.

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Speaker 1: And he made the transition from college to the pros.

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Speaker 1: He did all the combine stuff, the pro day stuff,

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Speaker 1: the meeting stuff, so he's gone through all this. It's

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Speaker 1: in some good good takes there because you know that

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Speaker 1: he goes it's it's from his mind. These are the

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Speaker 1: things that make a quarterback really good or just okay.

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Speaker 1: And just some of the little intangibles that he mentions.

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Speaker 1: Too interesting about Kyle Kyler Murray because you know, I

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Speaker 1: haven't watched enough tape on him like you have, but

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Speaker 1: just see and things I just wonder and even hearing

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Speaker 1: coach Shermer say that, you know, height doesn't matter. His

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Speaker 1: height doesn't matter. It's the way he throws the ball.

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Speaker 1: That's the intangibles that he brings to the table, the

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Speaker 1: things that he can do. It's very interesting, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: You do have to adjust how you play a little

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Speaker 1: bit to to affect that pocket, to give him the

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Speaker 1: lanes he needs to throw, so that is something teams,

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Speaker 1: but he knows he he has he has the ability

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Speaker 1: to throw the ball at different launch angles. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so that's why. And not only that he's accurate with

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Speaker 1: it because you know what, that he's played at that

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Speaker 1: height and that disadvantage all his career. So he understands that.

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Speaker 1: Very good stuff, Very mahomesish. That way, We want to

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Speaker 1: an amazing Giants Prizes. Thank you so much for joining us,

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Dan, Thank you to Charles Davis as well.

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Speaker 1: Really fantastic show, and will remind you as well that

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Speaker 1: the Giants have launched their new Giants Huddle podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can check it out on Giants dot com or subscribe

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Speaker 1: on your favorite podcast platform. It's there. Our first episode,

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Speaker 1: I interviewed Peter Schraeger and he talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft and the Giants where they are from

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Speaker 1: the owner meetings out there in Arizona. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: check it out. For Jeff Fiegles, I'm John Schmilk. Will

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Speaker 1: be back on Monday. Me and Jeff are hosted again

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Speaker 1: together for more Draft talking. Giants Talk right here on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com will be joined by Mike Granner from

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