Speaker 1: It's nine O Gen one with Jenny Garth and Tory spelling.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we are, another week, another episode.
Speaker 3: You told me last week to not say that very sentence,
Speaker 3: and you were going to.
Speaker 2: Give me a new word. Give me a list, give
Speaker 2: me you like list, Give me a list. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: That sounds good for you. Go Hey guys, hey guys business.
Speaker 2: I know I had to readdress that because I think
Speaker 2: we should just roll into it hot.
Speaker 3: Like you know, we were just having the most fascinating
Speaker 3: conversation about mister Clean's magic sponge eraser. It was like
Speaker 3: Jenny fascinating, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: What I want to say, Salary sucks?
Speaker 3: Okay, loud and clear for everybody to hear. You got
Speaker 3: a problem with that?
Speaker 2: Wow, she's fired up and not afraid of the comments
Speaker 2: this week? Okay, Okay, So you guys, this is season five,
Speaker 2: episode twenty. You gotta have heart? Do you nah? Overrated?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Oh god?
Speaker 3: This this one aired February eighth, You guys, nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: five again right on track with you know, I r
Speaker 3: L was it.
Speaker 2: We're just so on point.
Speaker 3: Wait, you're right, Okay, we watched I watched mine on
Speaker 3: Dvdame did say.
Speaker 1: Game, And is that because of Jade? I would have
Speaker 1: just cut the performance.
Speaker 2: Oh is that why? And every other one was.
Speaker 3: So disappointed that I didn't get to see Jamie Walters sing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: ok oh, this will be the one where I get
Speaker 3: to see him sing.
Speaker 1: I felt the same Jenny, I have the same thought,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't figure out, like, is Jade literally the
Speaker 1: only reason it's on DVD? I would have just cut
Speaker 1: the performance because I would have not watching it on
Speaker 1: a tiny screen in kind of bad quality. It was
Speaker 1: not my favorite, okay?
Speaker 2: Synopsis. Professor Finley forces Kelly to make a massive decision
Speaker 2: about her future with Brandon. Donna gets suspicious when rey
Speaker 2: Go's missing thanks to shady Valerie Malone. Oh that's a
Speaker 2: bad name, Valerie Malone. She had it coming to her
Speaker 2: from the beginning. Poor thing a lot to overcome. Andrea
Speaker 2: meets Peter's chatty wife Steve Book's girl group Jade for
Speaker 2: the telethon, and Dylan reluctantly agrees to talk some sense
Speaker 2: into Kelly Taylor.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Directed by Gilbert M. Shilton, Written by Max Eisenberg. I'll
Speaker 3: say that again. Written by Max Eisenberg.
Speaker 1: It's so juicy?
Speaker 3: Who Dad? This is a good episode. It's Eisenberg. I
Speaker 3: don't know, not sure.
Speaker 1: I hope none of you are going to be reflexive
Speaker 1: or negators about this episode, because, first of all, it
Speaker 1: was so good. What a good episode. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: my city bitty. I might as well watch it on
Speaker 1: my cell phone. My DVD thing was so small.
Speaker 3: My daughter and her boyfriend were watching it with me,
Speaker 3: and she was like, when did the show get so soapy?
Speaker 3: I was like, just now, like.
Speaker 2: SuDS it up, baby, listen. I usually watched the episode
Speaker 2: on my cell phone, so this was like huge for me.
Speaker 2: This was like a massive movie screen.
Speaker 3: I can't believe you watch these episodes on your cell phone.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's so good on my big screen. That's why
Speaker 1: I was a little sad. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: do that. Wait, Jenny, are we gonna go through it
Speaker 1: in order like you did last time?
Speaker 3: What do you want? What do you guys want? What
Speaker 3: are the people?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Have they commented?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Has anyone said anything? If they like, like when we
Speaker 2: kind of go in order or off tangent or all
Speaker 2: the buff.
Speaker 3: You would think at season five we would have this
Speaker 3: down you guys, But but we don't.
Speaker 2: But why we're still We.
Speaker 3: Like to like, yeah, we like to keep things fresh.
Speaker 3: You never know.
Speaker 1: I like whatever you all want and is so good.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about some trivial moments because this
Speaker 3: was the best episode ever and it's because we got
Speaker 3: to see your dad.
Speaker 1: And it's sort of an iconic clip that I've seen.
Speaker 3: Over and yes, talking about the cameo with Aaron Spelling
Speaker 3: and Chuck Rosen in the back of a limo. So
Speaker 3: excited to see him with Steve.
Speaker 2: He thinks it's Jade's Lemo. He's looking opens up. Can
Speaker 2: I help you?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? It was so given my pipe everything.
Speaker 2: And I heard word that it was done in one take.
Speaker 3: Well, hit, your dad's an actor. He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Does it make you happy to see that?
Speaker 2: And remember God, I bet yeah, all the pipe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was so when I saw him. I was
Speaker 3: so happy for you to be seeing him like that
Speaker 3: made me so happy and that.
Speaker 2: Like you know, obviously I saw my dad get older,
Speaker 2: and I've seen photos of him younger, but that is
Speaker 2: how I remember him always.
Speaker 3: Like the quintessential.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to ask you that.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, did your dad always look
Speaker 1: like that because that is in my mind he looked
Speaker 1: like that from when he was born, because it's just
Speaker 1: the image.
Speaker 2: Almost kind of except you wore track suits a lot.
Speaker 2: Loved his blore tracksuits.
Speaker 3: That's what I wear.
Speaker 2: God yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I love him even more for that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's crazy, that's your dad. Like, that's guys you're.
Speaker 2: Feel used to wear Fela. It's not easy to.
Speaker 3: Me because you remind me so much of him, Like
Speaker 3: just like you're the way you over sometimes, like you know,
Speaker 3: and like, oh, I know you were going to say
Speaker 3: that that's so bizarre. Did you? Yeah, you just remind
Speaker 3: me so much, so many of his Yeah, and was
Speaker 3: attack you sure are? Okay? So also, as Amy mentioned,
Speaker 3: Jade was an actual girl group from the nineties. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they had a big hit apparently. I didn't remember
Speaker 3: them though till this did Did you know me either?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I knew the name and I definitely knew that song.
Speaker 3: And did they Was there another hit after this one?
Speaker 5: Band?
Speaker 1: Wonder if you no? They sort of were? They had
Speaker 1: a few.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, they were lovely and they were all fun
Speaker 3: and Steve loved them, so that was great. That was
Speaker 3: just great.
Speaker 2: I don't remember working with them. We weren't there were
Speaker 2: we we were always there, even I was weren't there.
Speaker 3: Then, Oh, this is a good one, Jim. They they
Speaker 3: are not hiding their feelings about Valerie anymore because she's
Speaker 3: moving out right, and he mentions as she's moving out,
Speaker 3: he said, he mentions Heidie Flies. Oh yeah, do you
Speaker 3: guys know who Heidi Flies? I mean, I know you
Speaker 3: two ladies know besides Kidie Flyeses Firs, I do. This
Speaker 3: isn't this isn't from the nineties.
Speaker 2: Very prominent Hollywood madam.
Speaker 1: Yes, also the sister of Mike Flyes who created The Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: So Heidie fly got arrested right because it was illegal,
Speaker 2: went to court and basically spilled the beans on all
Speaker 2: the Hollywood stars that she had.
Speaker 3: That was riveting. Remember when that was going down, everybody
Speaker 3: was terrified their name was going to be on the list.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was like, yeah, that was like a me
Speaker 2: too moment back then.
Speaker 3: That was like yep, And they knew she was getting
Speaker 3: those high priced clients.
Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen was a big one, right and now I.
Speaker 1: Think she raises birds. But I don't want to be
Speaker 1: wrong about that, but.
Speaker 3: That's a nice transition for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she might. And she wanted to kind of.
Speaker 3: What kind of birds have Let me make sure?
Speaker 1: Let me make sure. And she went on to be
Speaker 1: on a few reality shows.
Speaker 3: Yep, Wow, what kind of birds they meet? McCall's or finches?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm not going to rest until I know
Speaker 3: these informations.
Speaker 2: Birds, birds, birds and interesting.
Speaker 3: Well we'll come back to that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Nat also brings in a cultural reference Jim Jones. He says,
Speaker 3: is a cult leader who led his followers to commit
Speaker 3: mass suicide in nineteen seventy eight at a commune. And
Speaker 3: I guess he's comparing that to sort of what Brandon's
Speaker 3: telling him. And I love that scene with Nat actually
Speaker 3: where thank God for Nat. He basically gets it, you know,
Speaker 3: sets it in motion that somebody's got to help Kelly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if it weren't for Matt, Mom's gone. She's not in
Speaker 3: the season apparently, but nobody's looking out for kat.
Speaker 2: He really was always a father figure.
Speaker 3: You guys, we have breaking news what right now? Yes,
Speaker 3: Heidi Flice raises mccaws. Wow, now not Hooker's no longer
Speaker 3: in the hooker business. She is now in the.
Speaker 2: Bird business from Madam to McCaw's. That works a small
Speaker 2: lifetime movie. Let's produce it.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's you want to get into the episode?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: Definitely?
Speaker 3: All right, Well, what do you guys want to talk
Speaker 3: about it? Do you want to talk about it, you know,
Speaker 3: top to bottom or do you want to just jump
Speaker 3: around Amy style?
Speaker 1: Maybe talk to bottom?
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do it. You want to start on top
Speaker 3: to bottom. We start at the telethon and Brandon is
Speaker 3: trying to get a hold of Kelly. Oh yeah, he's trying.
Speaker 1: She was really yeah, she's really kind of been sucked
Speaker 1: into this thing.
Speaker 3: This is a telethon for the for the pediatric Heart
Speaker 3: Foundation of some kind. So that's a really admirable thing
Speaker 3: that everybody's come together to do.
Speaker 2: You gotta have heartt of have it's.
Speaker 1: Wait before that? Do we open on the scene with
Speaker 1: Ray and Donna?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're talking like as if he just played. But
Speaker 3: again we don't get to see him.
Speaker 1: We don't see that I did put a little bit
Speaker 1: new there. Okay, because you guys are making out. Is
Speaker 1: this the opening scene? You guys are making out and
Speaker 1: then he wants you to spend the night, and then
Speaker 1: he says, come on, I know you want to How
Speaker 1: can I catch up when I'm this close? And I
Speaker 1: wrote it?
Speaker 3: Wait, that's later, Am I going out of order?
Speaker 1: Okay? Pardon me?
Speaker 3: You is much much later because there's a lot of
Speaker 3: my opening scene. The opening scene is in the telethon
Speaker 3: and we open up on on Ray and Donna, and
Speaker 3: I feel like I have real mixed feelings about this
Speaker 3: relationship right now. I don't know about you, guys. I
Speaker 3: feel like it's a really sweet I want it to
Speaker 3: be a sweet love story, but it just something feels
Speaker 3: wrong yep. And I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: And it's not because you know, right, it's right.
Speaker 3: And also, I love Donna. I'm a fan of the show.
Speaker 3: I love Donna. And I'm asking myself, why is she
Speaker 3: being written to be a pleaser, so supportive, so doting,
Speaker 3: like it's all about Ray And I'm looking at this
Speaker 3: as a beautiful, strong character and I'm thinking like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, look how this probably affected you as a
Speaker 3: young girl. Like this kind of writing and the way
Speaker 3: that they made Donna act, it feels like it gave
Speaker 3: you these weird messages. I don't know, because I know
Speaker 3: that happened to me sometimes with my character. But I'm
Speaker 3: feeling like it's all Donna's fault right now.
Speaker 2: I hear you very This was what nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 2: So I had already gone through relationships like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were.
Speaker 3: You were okay playing this character because it was real. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ooh.
Speaker 3: It just bugs me as like a protective like big
Speaker 3: to Donna and to you. Yeah, like it makes me
Speaker 3: feel like, oh, like that pisses me off.
Speaker 2: It's writing of Donna's character didn't influence me. The toy
Speaker 2: of it all had already influenced me, and probably the writing.
Speaker 1: Donna, they really give you not great boyfriends because David,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's a little bit like Donna's the
Speaker 1: virgin and she's not going to sleep with somebody till
Speaker 1: she marries them. And she keeps getting these guys that
Speaker 1: cheat on her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's me what if real life was just
Speaker 2: influencing that And my dad was like, oh, she's got
Speaker 2: this guy and it's terrible and I'm worried, and they
Speaker 2: were like, oh, great writing in I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was oo on ray from the start of this episode,
Speaker 1: and I think Jenny you're right. It's like you want
Speaker 1: it to be this sweet love story, but they keep
Speaker 1: making him such an ass.
Speaker 3: Like I get it that they're making out hot and
Speaker 3: heavy and he's like, okay, well why you know it's
Speaker 3: I get it. It's hard for him to like stop
Speaker 3: the momentum in that moment.
Speaker 2: He's a guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, couldn't Donna do quote other stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But eventually men want Okay, Yeah, I'm sure they do
Speaker 2: other stuff, right, but I don't.
Speaker 3: Think Donna could do other stuff in that scene because
Speaker 3: I can't show any of it.
Speaker 2: But we can't do it. Yeah, I'm sure we assume.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: I just didn't like how he's like, I know you
Speaker 1: want to, I can't stop when in this close I
Speaker 1: was just like.
Speaker 2: But he does. I mean, good, good for him, I mean.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, and then he's wearing your makeup, Like
Speaker 3: you know scenes you can tell like you have a
Speaker 3: lighter skin tone. I always noticed things like this lipstick
Speaker 3: or makeup on in the scenes. I don't he look
Speaker 3: like he had pale pale face for a second.
Speaker 1: I think the character of Donna was very relatable, where
Speaker 1: the guy's reaction was written like by men on a
Speaker 1: TV show because I know plenty of virgins myself included
Speaker 1: that were virgins right along with Donna, And I never
Speaker 1: had one guy say anything like, oh, kum on, I
Speaker 1: knew you want to ever.
Speaker 2: Right, it would be, but I want to it's hard
Speaker 2: to stop, but it would never be I know you
Speaker 2: want to, or.
Speaker 1: Just it wasn't a big deal. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. In college, I was y'all's age,
Speaker 1: and a lot of girls back then were not just
Speaker 1: like sleeping with college boys, So I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought I think Donna was pretty relatable and maybe
Speaker 1: their reaction wasn't. But like you know, people can tell
Speaker 1: me I'm wrong. This was just my experience and maybe
Speaker 1: that's why I thought he.
Speaker 2: Was and lose my virginity in real life till I
Speaker 2: was eighteen, and like, I never had a guy pressure me, right,
Speaker 2: and all my friends like we're sleeping guys, and like
Speaker 2: I would date guys in high school and yeah there
Speaker 2: was never there was.
Speaker 1: Other stuffy So maybe we're writing the guys wrong.
Speaker 3: Maybe yes, I mean I just both of them before
Speaker 3: are still wrong to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, So next is we go to the mansion where
Speaker 1: now we discover that Finley's got this mansion. We go
Speaker 1: right from there to this big old mansion and I
Speaker 1: was like, what house is this? And we see that
Speaker 1: they've taken it over and this is the headquarters for
Speaker 1: Finley's cult basically okay.
Speaker 3: Right, right? So Brandon calls Kelly right and yes, and
Speaker 3: she says can you take a message? And right there
Speaker 3: Finley comes in with can you take the truth? I
Speaker 3: was like Jesus, I.
Speaker 1: Was first refuddled, where am I? What mansion is this? I?
Speaker 2: Where was it?
Speaker 1: Well? And I wondered where did the money come from?
Speaker 1: And we later find out. I was like, how are
Speaker 1: they affording this thing?
Speaker 3: He's got plans and he needs big spaces to hold
Speaker 3: all of his followers. Yes, he's really putting together something
Speaker 3: special up there on that hill.
Speaker 1: I think did you catch Brandon also saying to the
Speaker 1: guy like hey, Chief, like, will you get her? I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: like you call everybody that isn't that Andre's name? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I thought we call her that because she's the editor
Speaker 1: and that's how she got the nickname.
Speaker 3: And now he just yeah, but I started using chief
Speaker 3: for like.
Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, yeah, I know, but it's what he called
Speaker 2: her like I wish he hadn't said it.
Speaker 3: So my question in this area was, does Kelly know
Speaker 3: at this point that Brandon cheated on her or was
Speaker 3: with Emily when she came back to town. No, because
Speaker 3: she says something that makes me feel like she knows
Speaker 3: Orsert there. I don't know what it was, but it
Speaker 3: was in that phone call where she says she kind
Speaker 3: of calls him out and says, oh, I just don't know.
Speaker 2: She's just referring like you were with Emily, like during fire,
Speaker 2: like we weren't there, you were someone or do you
Speaker 2: feel like she he Well, women's intuition's always right.
Speaker 3: So you're right. It might be not that she thinks more.
Speaker 3: But she's still just really upset that he wasn't there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: fair when he said he would be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be true.
Speaker 3: And so maybe she's working all this out in this
Speaker 3: in the New evolution, doing this like, you know, work
Speaker 3: on herself.
Speaker 1: And when she says you're my own worst limitter, she's
Speaker 1: using Finley speak.
Speaker 3: M hm. So a limitter is like somebody who doesn't
Speaker 3: believe in you or thinks you're only capable of certain things. Right, Maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's you limits you from your.
Speaker 2: Keeps you small.
Speaker 3: We should start using that word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody pleas to go through and write down all
Speaker 1: the finley terms.
Speaker 2: Because they're kind of good.
Speaker 1: So we go to the telethon. We're kind of there.
Speaker 3: My notes say why is Brandon? Why are Brandon Donna kissing?
Speaker 1: It's not yet. First he has to realize she's bailing,
Speaker 1: and then we set up the telethon.
Speaker 3: Okay, you go pick it up for this part.
Speaker 1: So simultaneously we realize that Brandon is calling Kelly from
Speaker 1: the telethon and we're kind of catching up about what
Speaker 1: is going on. They're raising money I think for pediatric
Speaker 1: hurt needs. Yeah, doctor Hagobian's there, and we're realizing, like,
Speaker 1: she's not coming, so he's totally been abandoned and there's
Speaker 1: some sort of a like a something he needs her.
Speaker 2: For he kiss what is it?
Speaker 3: He needs to kiss her.
Speaker 1: Valentine, So we know he's now going to go and try, and.
Speaker 3: So he recruits Donna. Her recruits Oh I like that. You.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We don't quite get to the makeout of the
Speaker 1: Century where I was like, what is happening? But we
Speaker 1: realized this was supposed to be your thing, Kelly's thing,
Speaker 1: and she's bailing.
Speaker 3: Oh for the sorority house. It was like a big
Speaker 3: event that had been playing.
Speaker 1: We're kind of learning like, oh, Kelly's sort of shirking
Speaker 1: her responsibilities, but also like alienating herself from all the
Speaker 1: things that she had done previously.
Speaker 2: Interesting and they kind of delate you.
Speaker 1: Yes, and she has that hangs up on She says,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to point you, and he's like, I'm not disappointed,
Speaker 1: and then hangs up and it was just like whoa.
Speaker 1: So then we realize he needs a girl, but it's
Speaker 1: he's got a thing for blondes because Claire is just
Speaker 1: not not going to work for him.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it just was Claire. He didn't want
Speaker 3: to right, She's always going to be like, hey, what
Speaker 3: about me? And he's we get to it, but I.
Speaker 2: Feel like it wouldn't have been. Well, there's two things
Speaker 2: going on. If he goes with Claire, that's kind of
Speaker 2: almost like cheating on Kelly in a way because Donna safe,
Speaker 2: but also I'm going to make out with your best
Speaker 2: friend but okay, cool.
Speaker 1: I was like wtf, WTF. So it kind of cuts
Speaker 1: to suddenly this kissing and we don't really know what's happening, right,
Speaker 1: and there's sort of this bit going on with David
Speaker 1: and I was literally like.
Speaker 3: What, so, tell us do you remember the the the
Speaker 3: these kissings.
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So I have a friend, my friend Ailey, and she
Speaker 2: is like a super fan of the show, and she
Speaker 2: told me once she was like, oh, oh my god,
Speaker 2: remember that kiss with Brandon? And I was like, falls
Speaker 2: never kissed Brandon on the show and she was like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you did. What are you talking about? It was like
Speaker 2: the hottest kiss ever. It was intense. She sent me
Speaker 2: the clip and I was like, oh, shoot, didn't remember
Speaker 2: that one either. So that was okay. You know when
Speaker 2: you're with a virgin and there's just like a lot
Speaker 2: of pent up stuff from both ends. That was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like a lot of pent up.
Speaker 3: No, you nothing was pent up. You just had a
Speaker 3: making out in the bed scene with Ray. What does
Speaker 3: it take five minutes for you to get all built
Speaker 3: up again? I'm not going mad.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about real life right now. That was a
Speaker 2: little I'm talking about real life right now. You guys
Speaker 2: aren't listening. Pent up marrying me?
Speaker 3: You're pent up?
Speaker 2: Got it, We're both pent up.
Speaker 1: He's living vicariously through Donna.
Speaker 2: I am Brandon aka Jason and Donna aka Tory.
Speaker 3: We're pentas.
Speaker 2: Hey, we got a moment here. I always wonder what
Speaker 2: that would be.
Speaker 1: Like behind the scenes at this point.
Speaker 3: Nah, okay, so not at this point talking about Donna, Brandon, Kelly,
Speaker 3: not the real life people.
Speaker 1: I was like, that is an amazing kiss. But it
Speaker 1: seemed a little crazy. I get that it was sort
Speaker 1: of acting, but it was like it was out of context.
Speaker 1: It was weird.
Speaker 2: It was out of context because Jason and I were
Speaker 2: both like, Okay, we have an opportunity here, Brandon.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't the director be like, Okay, guys, that looked amazing,
Speaker 3: Let's do one where we're not quite so into it.
Speaker 1: And then there's like snarky comments because Anna says like
Speaker 1: I'd be happy to fill in, which is like a
Speaker 1: bit flirty for her best friend's boyfriend. And then he says,
Speaker 1: you can do it for the rest of your life,
Speaker 1: like he's obviously all bitter, but he's not broken up
Speaker 1: with Kelly.
Speaker 2: So it's at the hospital scene when they came to
Speaker 2: see Dylan and Donna was just like caressing Brandon's leg
Speaker 2: to consult. Do you remember this, you guys. And I
Speaker 2: was like, I was like, I called it out. I
Speaker 2: was like, that was a little like she's just like
Speaker 2: rubbing his leg. And I was like, there's moments, you
Speaker 2: guys if you look back where you're like, yeah, at much.
Speaker 3: From from not just from you too. But that was
Speaker 3: across the board. We are all very very very very
Speaker 3: very very familiar with each other, and there were not
Speaker 3: a lot of boundaries.
Speaker 2: And it crossed over into characters. Sometimes it would be
Speaker 2: like whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah, fair, let's move on.
Speaker 3: Yes, are you going to go to the Welsh house now? Yep?
Speaker 3: Exactly right, Thank goodness, Okay, this is This is good
Speaker 3: because we talked last week week about how Jim clearly
Speaker 3: doesn't have good feelings for Val. We really see that
Speaker 3: in this scene because VAL's moving out now that she's
Speaker 3: so rich. I don't know how she's affording all this ship.
Speaker 3: But she has journey, it's already gone, her car, her yeah,
Speaker 3: her clothes, her new hotel life. But he he does
Speaker 3: not like her, and he thinks that she is going
Speaker 3: to be back in two weeks weeks.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I felt like it was a very Aco taco scene,
Speaker 3: Like I felt so uncomfy. Yeah, yeah, he hates her.
Speaker 1: He's like, she doesn't understand the value of anything.
Speaker 5: Shedy, I've never seen like a parent's parents on a
Speaker 5: show like this be that like against one of the
Speaker 5: main people.
Speaker 2: Like it just doesn't it's weird, it's so wrong. But
Speaker 2: they I'm telling you there's some bad story here, but
Speaker 2: willing to ever say it because they don't.
Speaker 3: So it's like something it's fun to watch. I love
Speaker 3: watching Jim have like an attitude about something, getting his
Speaker 3: little harry chest all riled up.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You know he's like.
Speaker 3: His hairs were like.
Speaker 2: His alpha hairs, but he's finally in alpha because he's
Speaker 2: not real.
Speaker 1: Spitter about her. You would think he'd be happy to
Speaker 1: get her out of the house.
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's something hot about it.
Speaker 1: Cindy's more worried Colin Dylan about it, but Jim is
Speaker 1: just done with Valerie.
Speaker 3: Then we go to Ray's mom's house where she is
Speaker 3: so happy about her crews and she is living for Donna,
Speaker 3: loving Donna and really wants Ray to not screw this up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Correct, And it's shocking in my opinion that she tells
Speaker 1: him to just go find it elsewhere.
Speaker 3: Well, he he You know, it was nice the way
Speaker 3: he was kind of talking to his mom. I felt
Speaker 3: like that was a good thing. And he tells her
Speaker 3: about his sexual frustration and she does. She tells him
Speaker 3: go find it somewhere else, but don't but be careful
Speaker 3: about it. Be discreet, discreet and safe, which is like
Speaker 3: like maybe.
Speaker 2: Not finding one of the friend group, like maybe someone else.
Speaker 1: But okay, thank you toy exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. At first I was like, Okay, this is good
Speaker 3: sound advice from a mom. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Well the mom should have said be super happy for
Speaker 1: what you have and wait wait yeah, it's not going
Speaker 1: to kill you, right, just be patient. You don't like
Speaker 1: the mom basically tells him to go cheat on her.
Speaker 1: I was like, missus.
Speaker 3: Plan like that, Yeah, but that's kind of like on
Speaker 3: par for her.
Speaker 1: That's kind of yeah. I do have one scene right
Speaker 1: before that that I just want to make note of
Speaker 1: because it's important. It's where Nat and Brandon talk about
Speaker 1: cults and that Susie French with the buzz cut her
Speaker 1: sister was in a cult, and he kind of starts
Speaker 1: to indicate to Brandon this is not good.
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to Yeah, he's like the first
Speaker 3: red flag, like for Brandon to be like, wait, I
Speaker 3: really maybe you need to do something about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, really yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's where I was like, thank God for Nat.
Speaker 2: Yeah totally, and that is making it all personal and
Speaker 2: it's like take that out of it. Something's wrong, which good.
Speaker 3: Okay. So then we get a glimpse into Valeries beautiful
Speaker 3: new hotel digs yep. Have you ever seen an uglier
Speaker 3: hotel room?
Speaker 2: What is the Bellami Hotel?
Speaker 1: Does it pretend? It's kind of the famous pretend hotel
Speaker 1: where Jack mchaela.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that that It looks very familiar.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought it was for some reason. I thought
Speaker 1: Jack lived at the Bellage.
Speaker 3: Why does Dylan go there to visit her?
Speaker 1: Why is he wearing a suit?
Speaker 2: Because it's the new him. I can't stand his wardrobe
Speaker 2: this season and it gets worse. It's gonna keep going.
Speaker 2: It's very mature, I know, and I don't want it.
Speaker 1: I just was so frustrated by the fact that the
Speaker 1: money does not add up unless she's regularly working for Jonesy.
Speaker 1: The money does not add up.
Speaker 3: And is done trying to help her or is he
Speaker 3: trying to insult her?
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit of both.
Speaker 3: Like I don't get his motives. I don't get her motives.
Speaker 1: They just talk from the book of weird sayings. Don't
Speaker 1: you to ruin this for me and get so far
Speaker 1: out there that you can't find your way back? Like
Speaker 1: it's just like, what are these people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's confusing. Oh, but then we go back to
Speaker 3: the new evolution.
Speaker 1: Oh and Brandon's there, uh huh. And then and Finley
Speaker 1: calls Kelly a tease, which I.
Speaker 3: Was like, what for not being honest with Brandon?
Speaker 1: Finally sucks too. Oh yeah, and you're really throwing the
Speaker 1: lingo out. You're being a negator, Brandon, And like he's trying,
Speaker 1: and she's just very sucked in, and he sort of
Speaker 1: tries to acknowledge her like post traumatic stress, which I
Speaker 1: thought was kind of ahead of its time. Then I
Speaker 1: sort of realized that, and then she just.
Speaker 3: Is like, yeah, I just don't I just don't like
Speaker 3: it that she's there by herself, she has no support
Speaker 3: from Donna or Andrea or can you pushed them away? Yeah?
Speaker 3: It just feels the storyline is not feeling good.
Speaker 2: I have a question though, Like Donna, yeah, you pushed
Speaker 2: her away, but like, would she just go away?
Speaker 1: Not really?
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean they have a separate relationship. That's
Speaker 2: kind of hmm. She's in baby, in marriage and cheating
Speaker 2: land and so you know.
Speaker 3: But but if your best friend was like all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, m i A all the time, not coming
Speaker 3: through her commitments, not treating her boyfriend who she loves well,
Speaker 3: her best friend would be like, hey, what's going on,
Speaker 3: or let's hang out or you know, try to be
Speaker 3: more connected with her to try to find out what's
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a miss.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, I agree with you. Yeah, she would
Speaker 1: be kind of there with Brandon. It wouldn't be taking
Speaker 1: this so lightly.
Speaker 2: Unless it was a phone call maybe, And like Ray
Speaker 2: was playing in the background, so they had to cut that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Donn is like, I'd like to see you.
Speaker 2: Where are you? So they just cut the whole scene.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought she was going to break up with him,
Speaker 1: but this is where he says, I love you, You're
Speaker 1: my best friend, and she doesn't break up with.
Speaker 3: Him, right. I thought that scene was so I was
Speaker 3: captivated by that scene because I didn't know what was
Speaker 3: going to happen at the end of it for once,
Speaker 3: and I felt like that was some of my favorite
Speaker 3: acting that I've seen Jason or Brandon or whatever do.
Speaker 3: He just felt so genuine and like he was really
Speaker 3: in love with this girl, h and he was. He
Speaker 3: wanted to put it all on the line, and she
Speaker 3: you can tell she's so in love with him too,
Speaker 3: but she's just caught up in this situation. But she can't.
Speaker 3: You're right, she couldn't break it off. That is just
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 2: But I'm really hung up on the fact that you
Speaker 2: said that you didn't know what was going to happen
Speaker 2: at the end of the scene for once.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I got to go back to that.
Speaker 3: Good call, Good call. I pretty much.
Speaker 1: Never watching this for the first time. Yeah, that scene
Speaker 1: was really good, which is why later in the episode
Speaker 1: I sort of was like, what's happening, But we'll get
Speaker 1: to that because this scene was very real. Crazy see
Speaker 1: that he's not abusive, he's very supportive. He's even though
Speaker 1: she's hurting him, he's so loving and like, I'll leave
Speaker 1: it that's what you want.
Speaker 2: But I'm mature for a guy. In the twenties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's really handling it well point and somehow
Speaker 3: he convinces her to leave with him. Yeah, back to.
Speaker 1: Real seems normal, yea. Yeah, back at that they're posing
Speaker 1: in the heart and the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was crushing on Brandon in that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But first we have what I put called craziest scene
Speaker 1: of the episode, Andrea and Jesse fighting and bumping into
Speaker 1: Peter and his wife, and I was just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 3: And then they go have there. Then they want to
Speaker 3: go hang out. They go to the movie together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all sitting at a table, I mean, the
Speaker 1: whole thing. And then and is it called a furtive glance?
Speaker 1: Andrea and Peter are exchanging a furtive glances? I was that,
Speaker 1: doesn't that mean it's sort of like what I think
Speaker 1: it's called a furtive glance, which is like would have
Speaker 1: I think if you r t I V It's like,
Speaker 1: I think that's the right word. That the right word
Speaker 1: furtive attempting to avoid notice or attention, typically because of
Speaker 1: guilt or belief that discovery would lead to trouble. Secretive.
Speaker 3: WHOA, right they had that look the face was WHOA?
Speaker 2: That was awesome.
Speaker 1: That hole to do just had me shook because.
Speaker 2: Are they going to be swingers?
Speaker 3: And then we get the call back later and then
Speaker 3: the hands on the table and they touched the hands
Speaker 3: they can't.
Speaker 1: And then and the wife is kind of fun.
Speaker 3: Oh no, she's not.
Speaker 2: Do you think if the wife wasn't so chatty, the
Speaker 2: four of them would have all hooked up. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I also think that's a possibility that that could happen.
Speaker 3: But she, I could just see her husband is like,
Speaker 3: shut the you know what. Yeah, it was talking for
Speaker 3: just one second.
Speaker 1: She's obviously like in the fashion industry or something, and
Speaker 1: she's real spouty about all the things. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Jesse seemed to be enjoying it, and then Andrea.
Speaker 3: Was just like Jenny given, Yeah, I think some swapping
Speaker 3: coming up.
Speaker 1: But important note is if you remember what Andrea says
Speaker 1: to Jesse the movie she wanted to see. That's why
Speaker 1: the phone call later from Peter is like, because he
Speaker 1: refers to a scene in the movie she wanted to
Speaker 1: see as opposed to or maybe the movie they're seeing.
Speaker 1: They had that conversation.
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, rock movie.
Speaker 1: So if I can remember this, but I'm messing it up.
Speaker 1: When Andrea and Jesse are fighting, they're sort of talking
Speaker 1: about they were gonna go see Rocky, but instead they're
Speaker 1: seeing the movie you know whatever, some lovey movie and
Speaker 1: the movie what's whatever they're seeing? I can't remember. I
Speaker 1: have to like, I don't remember what it's called. That's
Speaker 1: when Peter has the fantasy of them. It's from the
Speaker 1: movie Andrea wanted, which I think is the one maybe
Speaker 1: they end up seeing as opposed to what Jesse wanted
Speaker 1: to see. There's all kind of like signs of like, oh,
Speaker 1: Peter's really like gets.
Speaker 2: Her wait a movie if fred is Stare and Ginger.
Speaker 3: Rogers, Oh yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: He's fair to remember. No, that wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Wait what I think?
Speaker 1: You're all close? You're close? Vor you got it like
Speaker 1: it was all that kind of jazz.
Speaker 3: But I feel like I know why they're they're linked together.
Speaker 3: It's because they have the same exact hair. Dude, did
Speaker 3: you guys notice what I kept cutting back and forth
Speaker 3: and like pausing it and be like his hair looks
Speaker 3: exactly like her hair. This is why they love each other.
Speaker 3: Same color, same poof Go back to the telephone for
Speaker 3: a second. Okay, did you put see the part where
Speaker 3: David is on stage and he's introducing or thanking the
Speaker 3: comedian the yes, did you feel like his hair and
Speaker 3: was like way too low on her to be like I.
Speaker 1: Wasn't looking at his hand. I missed that and I
Speaker 1: live for that kind of stuff. I was two sideways
Speaker 1: on Claire's.
Speaker 3: Pants, but we were talking about handsy. He was being
Speaker 3: handy with his handsy.
Speaker 2: Ah, her pants.
Speaker 1: Claire's pants were like which pants which part? Black shiny shiny, shiny,
Speaker 1: shiny leathery leggings like like like a yellow umbrella coat
Speaker 1: in black, remember the old just like if you were
Speaker 1: wearing like oh, they were like a very y yes.
Speaker 3: I was like, ain't nothing wrong with a little latex.
Speaker 1: Before we move on to I think it was creepy
Speaker 1: the whole like Jesse Andrea Peter the wife Adrian. I
Speaker 1: was like, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: I'd like something interesting to have happened there, but I
Speaker 3: don't think anything.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? The call at the end,
Speaker 1: he's all flirty with her and she's all into it.
Speaker 3: I would like a little bit of like, you know,
Speaker 3: the whole drama with Amy Roeback Nandrew Shoe, you know,
Speaker 3: how they're they swapped. Basically, I want to see some
Speaker 3: of that action.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind seeing that, but it's not gonna happen,
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too too busy. You're too busy talking about
Speaker 3: what the freak is val doing making the moves on Ray?
Speaker 3: What is that motive? What is this about? Just to
Speaker 3: break up Donna and Ray? What is it? Because she's broken?
Speaker 2: Yes, so she wants to break them up because it's
Speaker 2: just just fun for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything else.
Speaker 1: I spent my entire shower this morning thinking about Valerie
Speaker 1: and her motives.
Speaker 2: Well that's creepy.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I don't know what to say about that.
Speaker 1: It's like burns with me because I got so many
Speaker 1: comments being like you don't like Tiffany, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I love Tiffany, but Valerie.
Speaker 4: Sucks and I don't know it does don't.
Speaker 1: See that first of all. But when she turned on
Speaker 1: the lights of the truck, I was like, that's actually evil,
Speaker 1: Like what is she doing? I was like, she sucks?
Speaker 1: Then she fully it's not even like oh they had
Speaker 1: an attraction, Like.
Speaker 3: Maybe she's just saying do you want to go you
Speaker 3: know what, full.
Speaker 1: After him to be mean. She is doing it to
Speaker 1: be mean.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what though, he just really hopped in
Speaker 3: that truck that's a little too fast for me.
Speaker 2: Well just get it somewhere else. So he's like terrible too.
Speaker 1: I also thought it was weird that he says, I'll
Speaker 1: call you later. Why why are you gonna call her later? What?
Speaker 1: And he says it multiple.
Speaker 3: Times, but Donna sees them having their furtive looks. Re
Speaker 3: furtive looks.
Speaker 1: It looks it was just really good, mean a Valerie.
Speaker 3: What didn't you expect?
Speaker 1: I wanted to call therapists and be like, what is
Speaker 1: her deal? And it's because I this is what I've
Speaker 1: come up with, Tory, Jenny, you tell me if I'm right. Okay,
Speaker 1: she doesn't believe she's worthy of her own love. She's
Speaker 1: so broken that that's why she takes Dylan, who was
Speaker 1: like basically with someone else. Now she's going after it
Speaker 1: because it's like she doesn't really feel worthy of like
Speaker 1: her own right relations.
Speaker 2: Just back in the day at one point when her
Speaker 2: and Jim had a fling, he just didn't make her
Speaker 2: feel worthy. So now it's just it's repeating over and
Speaker 2: over until she feels worthy again.
Speaker 1: It's just she is a messy, messy character. It's just
Speaker 1: so mean. It's very dark what she does. And then
Speaker 1: the whole like three hundred dollars like now she's just.
Speaker 3: Flex Oh that's gross.
Speaker 1: Oh she's so sad inside. I can't stand it.
Speaker 2: I know she took the little Virgin's boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the next morning, Donna calls Ray's house
Speaker 3: and Ray's mom covers for him and says he, uh,
Speaker 3: he had already left for the morning.
Speaker 1: And also Ray sucks. He sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just sucks.
Speaker 2: Because why her. He can have any girl he wants,
Speaker 2: So like Valerie's doing it to be mean. She doesn't
Speaker 2: feel worthy, okay, and she's just mean. It's just plain
Speaker 2: and simple, cut and dry.
Speaker 3: She's hot though, like she's hot.
Speaker 1: She's hot.
Speaker 2: Ray could pick another girl, so that that's more calculated,
Speaker 2: not calculated, it's just.
Speaker 3: It's more not thought out. It's more like impetuous. So
Speaker 3: but I have a need, let me fulfill it.
Speaker 2: But be a little smart. If he wants to keep Donna,
Speaker 2: he should be a little smarter and just go get
Speaker 2: some two bit hooker from Heidi Flies. There you go,
Speaker 2: now those are expensive. He couldn't afford it because his mom.
Speaker 2: It's brew it with one tea because his mom couldn't
Speaker 2: afford too. Definitely can't afford Heidi flies.
Speaker 1: How about he just waits for Donna.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he loves her, he loves he loves her.
Speaker 2: If he loves her, his mama, his mama told him,
Speaker 2: like what he.
Speaker 3: Can just he he's broken too, totally, Yeah, these are
Speaker 3: two broken people. It was.
Speaker 1: It definitely stuck with me. I was like, I'm not.
Speaker 3: Oh, clearly if you're thinking about it in your shower.
Speaker 1: I watched it yesterday. I watched him yesterday, and it
Speaker 1: was still with me this morning. And I also was
Speaker 1: like just so torn because I don't I don't like it.
Speaker 1: That being said, do I like it on the show?
Speaker 1: Is also what I was analyzing, Like when people tell
Speaker 1: me like, oh I love Valerie, Okay, do you actually
Speaker 1: love Valerie or do you enjoy watching her antics?
Speaker 2: Because there is a difference. Yeah, well here, let me
Speaker 2: really break this down for you. The only reason like Ray,
Speaker 2: I think Ray would have picked somebody else. The only
Speaker 2: reason he did go with Valerie is well, that's boring.
Speaker 2: If we see him and a coach star guest star
Speaker 2: that goes away. We need to have two main characters together,
Speaker 2: so it's just the writers. It's it's simple.
Speaker 3: Gray's fall, it's Lucas she's defending.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 3: Did you think how cute Brandon looked when he was
Speaker 3: wrapped in the blanket though, and you and Donna was
Speaker 3: talking to him in the hallway?
Speaker 1: But is it that cold?
Speaker 3: It must have been.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was cute, Like it looks very horrible.
Speaker 2: It should have been a BFF blanket.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so he's wearing the blanket, then I have
Speaker 1: a flag on the play.
Speaker 5: Okay, it was a little unhinged that he went blanket.
Speaker 3: Her being gone to him just let ten Cray busting in.
Speaker 1: It was like, how did you know? She just wasn't
Speaker 1: getting coffee? Like he just went full tilt nuts.
Speaker 3: I kind of liked it, but it didn't feel very
Speaker 3: characteristic for Brandon, like he would have been a little
Speaker 3: bit more together. Let's see, let's see how this is
Speaker 3: playing out before.
Speaker 2: Huge chops in this one.
Speaker 3: He did and it was an entrance.
Speaker 1: What an entrance and yet awkward that Finley is giving
Speaker 1: coaching to you while I'm yeah, while Kelly's talking to
Speaker 1: him very bizarre.
Speaker 3: And telling her what to do.
Speaker 2: We loved Gil Shilton, we loved him, but the director,
Speaker 2: the director, sorry, but it's clear from different things like
Speaker 2: the kiss, like the scene with Brandon.
Speaker 3: That he's just like, do whatever you guys want.
Speaker 2: What you guys want. I'm not directing this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just be over here.
Speaker 2: I'll just do you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He's like, we still, we really did need somebody to he.
Speaker 2: Just wrangleds that didn't quite make sit work right.
Speaker 3: It's so true. What an what a good call out.
Speaker 3: That's really true.
Speaker 2: But we loved him.
Speaker 3: He was he was our friend. So this is a
Speaker 3: scene where Kelly breaks up with Brandon in front of everybody,
Speaker 3: and that was rough. I didn't like watching that, I know,
Speaker 3: but there's that they're broken up.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I mean it was rough everyone. A
Speaker 1: couple of questions too, for you guys before this, logistically
Speaker 1: and financially, nothing makes sense because how Valerie is paying
Speaker 1: for all these things, and how clear went to the
Speaker 1: beach apartment and was going to shower and be back
Speaker 1: on stage at the peach Pit in fifteen.
Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, they lost us when they
Speaker 2: lived at the beach and they get like, it's come
Speaker 2: on the beach.
Speaker 1: To Beverly Hills at best I minutes.
Speaker 2: You guys have to let this stuff go because there
Speaker 2: is to.
Speaker 1: Pick on Wilshire and they're in Santa Monica and it's
Speaker 1: a straight shot to the peak.
Speaker 3: About it, I was like, he's going to be thinking
Speaker 3: about the hitter shower tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I was like, I literally wrote on my notes.
Speaker 2: We think about me in the shower tomorrow. I'm a shallow.
Speaker 3: Steve.
Speaker 1: Also, can we call out very minor in these last
Speaker 1: few episodes? I had a little more in this one.
Speaker 2: Do you think he was fired up about that?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he got the scene with Aaron
Speaker 1: your dad, so that was legit. But he three or
Speaker 1: four tiny little moments in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes me nervous. My PTSD is flaring up.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm breaking out nip.
Speaker 2: B H night onto and out that day. Is that
Speaker 2: what you're talking about? No number.
Speaker 3: And that?
Speaker 2: Remember that all of it.
Speaker 1: Screen and then we sort of have the performance by Jade. Okay,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I was like I could have cut that
Speaker 1: to get it on my big screen. No problem. Same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't need it me either.
Speaker 3: But this is where we see Donna confront Ray is
Speaker 3: about why is part what what where were you last night?
Speaker 3: And wait? Why was your truck parked outside all night?
Speaker 3: I thought she had a little bit too much information
Speaker 3: for the little information she actually had.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 3: No, she saw his truck was there when she went
Speaker 3: to leave, correct, but.
Speaker 1: Like a mom oh there he goes in his truck
Speaker 1: or he's gone, Like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: She's jumping to conclusions.
Speaker 2: Or did she know? And she was just leading the witness.
Speaker 3: Leading the witness maybe so oh I love that tactic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, because she's the best one.
Speaker 3: And then we see Brandon go and ask Dylan to
Speaker 3: help him with Kelly.
Speaker 1: Who could possibly get through to her? Who do? Like
Speaker 1: immediately you're like, who could it could be?
Speaker 2: Oh? Her act she's still in love with cool let
Speaker 2: me go there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great idea. Let me let me bring him into this.
Speaker 1: Also those two.
Speaker 2: Because he knows, he knows that year we'll live with Dylan.
Speaker 2: So correct.
Speaker 1: They are not friends. They are not friends. They're rude
Speaker 1: to each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just mad in this episode about the
Speaker 3: way they're letting Donna be be done wrong like this
Speaker 3: in the ease and the level of fake that I
Speaker 3: get watching from val like it just gives me, like
Speaker 3: it takes away my hope in all sisterhood and women
Speaker 3: for women, like it just really rocks me on a
Speaker 3: deep level of like, don't trust women because they're like this.
Speaker 1: Well, she's not their friend. But Valerie is not their friend.
Speaker 3: No, she's not. Well, she does try to be their friends,
Speaker 3: she wants.
Speaker 1: To be their friend, but she's not a friend. She's
Speaker 1: really evil.
Speaker 2: But this is actually very real though, because this does exist.
Speaker 2: While there is sisterhood and there is empowerment and women's stick, there.
Speaker 3: Are people that are this manipulative and fake.
Speaker 2: But there are not. All women are great, they're just not.
Speaker 1: What does the word maniacal mean? That's the word that
Speaker 1: keeps coming in my head.
Speaker 2: Maniacal.
Speaker 3: She's so planned, it's calculated, It's yeah, but I think
Speaker 3: maniacal is more like manic.
Speaker 1: Maniacal exhibiting extreme, wild or violent behavior. Magantic, that's not
Speaker 1: what it is, Okay. What is the right word to
Speaker 1: describe Valerie?
Speaker 2: Militious?
Speaker 3: A compulsive, she has like behavioral disorder, she has like
Speaker 3: some need to lie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you're writing it off like we can
Speaker 2: be like, oh, she has something, so do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? What if she can some people? What
Speaker 2: if she's just a bad prad.
Speaker 3: To the bone, She's bad to the bone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I am torn in the sense that I am
Speaker 1: hate watching Valerie. I'm enjoying how terrible she is.
Speaker 3: I don't, I'm not. I'm kind of like it's so much,
Speaker 3: it's so good.
Speaker 1: You don't like her, like right, like Jenny knowing you,
Speaker 1: you're more like bothered by it.
Speaker 3: I'm bothered by it, like how could somebody be this
Speaker 3: calculated and manipulative and fake?
Speaker 1: Where I'm like, she sucks. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: what she does next week.
Speaker 2: Same, Yeah, she sucks.
Speaker 3: I think because I love all the the main characters
Speaker 3: so much, and at this point we've all seen their flaws,
Speaker 3: we all know what their weakness is there, and they're
Speaker 3: what they're dealing with as humans, and we still love
Speaker 3: them because there's something about each of these characters that
Speaker 3: no matter how far they go off the deepen or what, like,
Speaker 3: We're still gonna love David after he has this drug thing.
Speaker 3: We're still gonna love Kelly after she great gets out
Speaker 3: of the cult. But there's nothing redeeming whatsoever in any
Speaker 3: fiber of this character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good right, So perhaps it's planned that way, yes,
Speaker 2: but that is that is an absolute departure from what
Speaker 2: the show was originally about.
Speaker 1: Well, and in this very episode, Andrea is essentially.
Speaker 2: Well at the midpoint, doing.
Speaker 1: The same thing as Valerie being a cheater. Right now,
Speaker 1: Valerie's We're still okay with her, but I'm sort of like,
Speaker 1: I love her. Why is she doing this?
Speaker 3: David's drug issue?
Speaker 2: He cheated on Donna and we still we still.
Speaker 1: Love him, Yeah, and we've forgiven him, and she's letting
Speaker 1: him date her friend. It's very strange.
Speaker 3: So either this is this is either the departure and
Speaker 3: this is where it just started to get really soapy
Speaker 3: and they used started using devices like this, you want
Speaker 3: to say, to manipulate the audience. No, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: say that. That's not yet. Or it's a miss in
Speaker 3: that they didn't develop this character well enough to give
Speaker 3: her enough complexity for the audience to love to hate her.
Speaker 3: But you know, love to hate her.
Speaker 2: But I wonder if it was purpose. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, either way it works. But it's just
Speaker 3: like when you're looking at it and you're looking at
Speaker 3: the show as a whole, and here we are halfway
Speaker 3: through the run of the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, David and Andrea and et cetera, all
Speaker 1: y'all can be redeemed, where it's harder to redeem Valerie
Speaker 1: because it's just.
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's just Valerie moving forward. I
Speaker 3: think it's like there are a bunch of new characters
Speaker 3: that are going to start to come on, and yeah,
Speaker 3: you kind of care about them, but you don't really
Speaker 3: care about them like you do the main you know,
Speaker 3: core og cast.
Speaker 2: There's nothing like the OG that's okay.
Speaker 1: Well, which is interesting because in Gray's Anatomy, Yeah, there
Speaker 1: are new characters that I care about as much as
Speaker 1: I cared about the original characters.
Speaker 3: It's the writing. It's the writing, it's the character. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think there were there started to become a lot
Speaker 3: of moving parts on the show, so many storylines and
Speaker 3: so many things that they were trying to do that
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe they started to you know, I'm
Speaker 3: still in it.
Speaker 1: It has not jumped at the shark ye anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: still completely in because essentially we're only missing one of
Speaker 1: the core characters at this point, Jess Brenda. We're getting
Speaker 1: these randos, but like I'm still fully in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just weird because this is a
Speaker 3: cast member.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: This isn't like a guest star that comes in like
Speaker 3: Ariel right, who we hate her but she goes away
Speaker 3: in the next lesson. This is somebody that we see
Speaker 3: week after week after week doing making these horrible choices
Speaker 3: and doing these terrible things to the people that we love.
Speaker 3: And it's just really hard to like, I just am
Speaker 3: having trouble understanding why they're doing this to me o villain.
Speaker 1: We now have a villain on this show where people
Speaker 1: made mistakes before, but none of the characters were a villain.
Speaker 3: And that for me, is where the show it's split.
Speaker 3: It's splitting for sure, in just like what the show
Speaker 3: is and the and the message of it.
Speaker 2: But what if, like take her out of it, it
Speaker 2: couldn't have gone on the way it was going, because
Speaker 2: why not?
Speaker 3: It was going great? It was, but there was no
Speaker 3: reason to bring in.
Speaker 2: So you have to change things up sometimes and change art.
Speaker 3: I understand, but what but like I said before, like
Speaker 3: why not have it just be a guest star that's
Speaker 3: there for three episodes, or I feel like by including
Speaker 3: this villain into the main cast the opening credits, no
Speaker 3: offense against Tiffany whatsoever. This has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: my feelings about anything real. This is just about me watching, Like,
Speaker 3: why are they asking me as a as a fan
Speaker 3: of the show, super fan of the show. Yes, I'm
Speaker 3: a super fan of the show. Why are they asking
Speaker 3: me to accept this girl into my opening credits of
Speaker 3: the show, and like, pretend like she's one of the gang,
Speaker 3: but then watch her do these evil, devious things. She's
Speaker 3: everybody that I.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to tell you the reason right now,
Speaker 2: because it historically notoriously worked for every spelling.
Speaker 3: Exactly like this is the Carrington whatever, Donna.
Speaker 2: Right, Amanda, this is it worked and it worked every time.
Speaker 2: So at this point he's like, and it was.
Speaker 1: Kind of what your dad did to reject inject a
Speaker 1: boost into a show that was struggling because Dynasty Joan
Speaker 1: Collins was not in the first season basically correct, and
Speaker 1: it was not doing you know what it eventually became
Speaker 1: until he popped her in same thing with Melrose Place.
Speaker 1: What's interesting here though, is you're at the height of
Speaker 1: ra But maybe just him knowing his what he had
Speaker 1: done in the past, he just went with that formula,
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't to like boost the ratings. He
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, I lost a character. I'm going
Speaker 1: to insert a villain, a villain ish right.
Speaker 2: If Brenda hadn't left, maybe this wouldn't have happened. Maybe
Speaker 2: a villain wouldn't have been inserted in season five. We
Speaker 2: don't know, we don't know, We'll never know.
Speaker 3: Never know. It just doesn't feel like the show to me,
Speaker 3: I mean the show that I love, and I think
Speaker 3: that that's like part of like, you know, the demise
Speaker 3: that the beginning of the turn. Yeah, yeah, because it
Speaker 3: does turn at some point does and things kind of
Speaker 3: fall apart jump.
Speaker 1: By seven, we're kind of jumping jumping the shark. I think.
Speaker 1: I think through six we're still sort of like doing
Speaker 1: pretty good. But then around so I think who leaves first? Luke? Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't remember. That starts to get like I think
Speaker 1: it was Brandon Jason leaves first. I can't remember. But
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I'm still in it for now, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all that said, I still love the show. I
Speaker 3: do enjoy the what Valerie's doing mixing things up, but
Speaker 3: there's something deep inside of me that doesn't feel comfy
Speaker 3: with it. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good word to say.
Speaker 3: But I'm not giving up on this show. No, it's
Speaker 3: just getting good. It's getting all like it's juicy Bruin,
Speaker 3: storm of Bruin, It's.
Speaker 1: Juicy with Kelly, even though I'm like sick of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Finley's a freak, but I'm like, I like it. Valerie's
Speaker 1: a nightmare, but I like it. And then I can't
Speaker 1: help it. But the Andrea Peter thing is like so
Speaker 1: messed up, and yet I'm like Dame nipping my tea.
Speaker 1: Give me more, I.
Speaker 3: Know, but I feel bad for Jesse.
Speaker 2: Good you're supposed to yeah, perfect, well, well that person
Speaker 2: well written.
Speaker 3: We're doing good. And that's that's an episode. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The next episode one stormy Weather.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a good one. And we can watch
Speaker 3: Stormy Weather on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 1: Okay, good in the back of the closet.
Speaker 2: I can go back and watching it on my phone,
Speaker 2: like I enjoyed. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Oh this is so good. I feel much better what
Speaker 3: this out? Oh? Ten ten me too. I'm on the
Speaker 3: ten train.
Speaker 1: Every time. That good. That makes me so happy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So uh, let's see what happens next week.
Speaker 2: I love you guys.
Speaker 3: Bye,