WEBVTT - The Bad Guys of Beverly Hills

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<v Speaker 1>It's nine O Gen one with Jenny Garth and Tory spelling.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here we are, another week, another episode.

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<v Speaker 3>You told me last week to not say that very sentence,

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<v Speaker 3>and you were going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a new word. Give me a list, give

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<v Speaker 2>me you like list, Give me a list. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds good for you. Go Hey guys, hey guys business.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I had to readdress that because I think

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<v Speaker 2>we should just roll into it hot.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know, we were just having the most fascinating

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<v Speaker 3>conversation about mister Clean's magic sponge eraser. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>Jenny fascinating, mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>What I want to say, Salary sucks?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, loud and clear for everybody to hear. You got

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<v Speaker 3>a problem with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, she's fired up and not afraid of the comments

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<v Speaker 2>this week? Okay, Okay, So you guys, this is season five,

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<v Speaker 2>episode twenty. You gotta have heart? Do you nah? Overrated?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god?

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<v Speaker 3>This this one aired February eighth, You guys, nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 3>five again right on track with you know, I r

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<v Speaker 3>L was it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just so on point.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, you're right, Okay, we watched I watched mine on

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<v Speaker 3>Dvdame did say.

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<v Speaker 1>Game, And is that because of Jade? I would have

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<v Speaker 1>just cut the performance.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh is that why? And every other one was.

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<v Speaker 3>So disappointed that I didn't get to see Jamie Walters sing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>ok oh, this will be the one where I get

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<v Speaker 3>to see him sing.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt the same Jenny, I have the same thought,

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<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't figure out, like, is Jade literally the

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<v Speaker 1>only reason it's on DVD? I would have just cut

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<v Speaker 1>the performance because I would have not watching it on

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny screen in kind of bad quality. It was

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<v Speaker 1>not my favorite, okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Synopsis. Professor Finley forces Kelly to make a massive decision

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<v Speaker 2>about her future with Brandon. Donna gets suspicious when rey

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<v Speaker 2>Go's missing thanks to shady Valerie Malone. Oh that's a

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<v Speaker 2>bad name, Valerie Malone. She had it coming to her

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<v Speaker 2>from the beginning. Poor thing a lot to overcome. Andrea

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<v Speaker 2>meets Peter's chatty wife Steve Book's girl group Jade for

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<v Speaker 2>the telethon, and Dylan reluctantly agrees to talk some sense

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<v Speaker 2>into Kelly Taylor.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Directed by Gilbert M. Shilton, Written by Max Eisenberg. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>say that again. Written by Max Eisenberg.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so juicy?

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<v Speaker 3>Who Dad? This is a good episode. It's Eisenberg. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope none of you are going to be reflexive

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<v Speaker 1>or negators about this episode, because, first of all, it

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<v Speaker 1>was so good. What a good episode. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>my city bitty. I might as well watch it on

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<v Speaker 1>my cell phone. My DVD thing was so small.

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<v Speaker 3>My daughter and her boyfriend were watching it with me,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was like, when did the show get so soapy?

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, just now, like.

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<v Speaker 2>SuDS it up, baby, listen. I usually watched the episode

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<v Speaker 2>on my cell phone, so this was like huge for me.

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<v Speaker 2>This was like a massive movie screen.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe you watch these episodes on your cell phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, it's so good on my big screen. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little sad. I don't know how you

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Wait, Jenny, are we gonna go through it

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<v Speaker 1>in order like you did last time?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you want? What do you guys want? What

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<v Speaker 3>are the people?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Have they commented?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Has anyone said anything? If they like, like when we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of go in order or off tangent or all

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<v Speaker 2>the buff.

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<v Speaker 3>You would think at season five we would have this

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<v Speaker 3>down you guys, But but we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>But why we're still We.

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<v Speaker 3>Like to like, yeah, we like to keep things fresh.

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<v Speaker 3>You never know.

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<v Speaker 1>I like whatever you all want and is so good.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to talk about some trivial moments because this

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<v Speaker 3>was the best episode ever and it's because we got

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<v Speaker 3>to see your dad.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's sort of an iconic clip that I've seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Over and yes, talking about the cameo with Aaron Spelling

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<v Speaker 3>and Chuck Rosen in the back of a limo. So

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<v Speaker 3>excited to see him with Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks it's Jade's Lemo. He's looking opens up. Can

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<v Speaker 2>I help you?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god? It was so given my pipe everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And I heard word that it was done in one take.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, hit, your dad's an actor. He knows what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it make you happy to see that?

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<v Speaker 2>And remember God, I bet yeah, all the pipe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was so when I saw him. I was

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<v Speaker 3>so happy for you to be seeing him like that

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<v Speaker 3>made me so happy and that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, obviously I saw my dad get older,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've seen photos of him younger, but that is

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<v Speaker 2>how I remember him always.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the quintessential.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was going to ask you that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, did your dad always look

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<v Speaker 1>like that because that is in my mind he looked

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<v Speaker 1>like that from when he was born, because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>the image.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost kind of except you wore track suits a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Loved his blore tracksuits.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I wear.

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<v Speaker 2>God yeah, mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>I love him even more for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's crazy, that's your dad. Like, that's guys you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel used to wear Fela. It's not easy to.

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<v Speaker 3>Me because you remind me so much of him, Like

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<v Speaker 3>just like you're the way you over sometimes, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, oh, I know you were going to say

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<v Speaker 3>that that's so bizarre. Did you? Yeah, you just remind

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<v Speaker 3>me so much, so many of his Yeah, and was

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<v Speaker 3>attack you sure are? Okay? So also, as Amy mentioned,

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<v Speaker 3>Jade was an actual girl group from the nineties. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and they had a big hit apparently. I didn't remember

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<v Speaker 3>them though till this did Did you know me either?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I knew the name and I definitely knew that song.

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<v Speaker 3>And did they Was there another hit after this one?

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<v Speaker 5>Band?

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<v Speaker 1>Wonder if you no? They sort of were? They had

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<v Speaker 1>a few.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, they were lovely and they were all fun

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<v Speaker 3>and Steve loved them, so that was great. That was

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<v Speaker 3>just great.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember working with them. We weren't there were

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<v Speaker 2>we we were always there, even I was weren't there.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, Oh, this is a good one, Jim. They they

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<v Speaker 3>are not hiding their feelings about Valerie anymore because she's

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<v Speaker 3>moving out right, and he mentions as she's moving out,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, he mentions Heidie Flies. Oh yeah, do you

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<v Speaker 3>guys know who Heidi Flies? I mean, I know you

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<v Speaker 3>two ladies know besides Kidie Flyeses Firs, I do. This

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<v Speaker 3>isn't this isn't from the nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Very prominent Hollywood madam.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, also the sister of Mike Flyes who created The Bachelor.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>So Heidie fly got arrested right because it was illegal,

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<v Speaker 2>went to court and basically spilled the beans on all

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<v Speaker 2>the Hollywood stars that she had.

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<v Speaker 3>That was riveting. Remember when that was going down, everybody

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<v Speaker 3>was terrified their name was going to be on the list.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that was like, yeah, that was like a me

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<v Speaker 2>too moment back then.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like yep, And they knew she was getting

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<v Speaker 3>those high priced clients.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Sheen was a big one, right and now I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think she raises birds. But I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>wrong about that, but.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a nice transition for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think she might. And she wanted to kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>What kind of birds have Let me make sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me make sure. And she went on to be

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<v Speaker 1>on a few reality shows.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, Wow, what kind of birds they meet? McCall's or finches?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, I'm not going to rest until I know

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<v Speaker 3>these informations.

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<v Speaker 2>Birds, birds, birds and interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Well we'll come back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Nat also brings in a cultural reference Jim Jones. He says,

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<v Speaker 3>is a cult leader who led his followers to commit

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<v Speaker 3>mass suicide in nineteen seventy eight at a commune. And

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<v Speaker 3>I guess he's comparing that to sort of what Brandon's

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<v Speaker 3>telling him. And I love that scene with Nat actually

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<v Speaker 3>where thank God for Nat. He basically gets it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sets it in motion that somebody's got to help Kelly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>if it weren't for Matt, Mom's gone. She's not in

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<v Speaker 3>the season apparently, but nobody's looking out for kat.

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<v Speaker 2>He really was always a father figure.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys, we have breaking news what right now? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>Heidi Flice raises mccaws. Wow, now not Hooker's no longer

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<v Speaker 3>in the hooker business. She is now in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bird business from Madam to McCaw's. That works a small

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<v Speaker 2>lifetime movie. Let's produce it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's you want to get into the episode?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, what do you guys want to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about it? Do you want to talk about it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>top to bottom or do you want to just jump

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<v Speaker 3>around Amy style?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe talk to bottom?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's do it. You want to start on top

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<v Speaker 3>to bottom. We start at the telethon and Brandon is

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<v Speaker 3>trying to get a hold of Kelly. Oh yeah, he's trying.

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<v Speaker 1>She was really yeah, she's really kind of been sucked

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<v Speaker 1>into this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a telethon for the for the pediatric Heart

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<v Speaker 3>Foundation of some kind. So that's a really admirable thing

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<v Speaker 3>that everybody's come together to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta have heartt of have it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait before that? Do we open on the scene with

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<v Speaker 1>Ray and Donna?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're talking like as if he just played. But

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<v Speaker 3>again we don't get to see him.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't see that I did put a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>new there. Okay, because you guys are making out. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this the opening scene? You guys are making out and

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<v Speaker 1>then he wants you to spend the night, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he says, come on, I know you want to How

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<v Speaker 1>can I catch up when I'm this close? And I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote it?

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, that's later, Am I going out of order?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Pardon me?

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<v Speaker 3>You is much much later because there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>my opening scene. The opening scene is in the telethon

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<v Speaker 3>and we open up on on Ray and Donna, and

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I have real mixed feelings about this

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<v Speaker 3>relationship right now. I don't know about you, guys. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like it's a really sweet I want it to

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<v Speaker 3>be a sweet love story, but it just something feels

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<v Speaker 3>wrong yep. And I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not because you know, right, it's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And also, I love Donna. I'm a fan of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Donna. And I'm asking myself, why is she

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<v Speaker 3>being written to be a pleaser, so supportive, so doting,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's all about Ray And I'm looking at this

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<v Speaker 3>as a beautiful, strong character and I'm thinking like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, look how this probably affected you as a

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<v Speaker 3>young girl. Like this kind of writing and the way

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<v Speaker 3>that they made Donna act, it feels like it gave

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<v Speaker 3>you these weird messages. I don't know, because I know

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<v Speaker 3>that happened to me sometimes with my character. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>feeling like it's all Donna's fault right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear you very This was what nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 2>So I had already gone through relationships like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you were.

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<v Speaker 3>You were okay playing this character because it was real. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh.

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<v Speaker 3>It just bugs me as like a protective like big

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<v Speaker 3>to Donna and to you. Yeah, like it makes me

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<v Speaker 3>feel like, oh, like that pisses me off.

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<v Speaker 2>It's writing of Donna's character didn't influence me. The toy

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<v Speaker 2>of it all had already influenced me, and probably the writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Donna, they really give you not great boyfriends because David,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, it's a little bit like Donna's the

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<v Speaker 1>virgin and she's not going to sleep with somebody till

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<v Speaker 1>she marries them. And she keeps getting these guys that

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<v Speaker 1>cheat on her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's me what if real life was just

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<v Speaker 2>influencing that And my dad was like, oh, she's got

0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.880
<v Speaker 2>this guy and it's terrible and I'm worried, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were like, oh, great writing in I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was oo on ray from the start of this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think Jenny you're right. It's like you want

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<v Speaker 1>it to be this sweet love story, but they keep

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<v Speaker 1>making him such an ass.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I get it that they're making out hot and

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<v Speaker 3>heavy and he's like, okay, well why you know it's

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<v Speaker 3>I get it. It's hard for him to like stop

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<v Speaker 3>the momentum in that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, couldn't Donna do quote other stuff? Yeah?

0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:24.280
<v Speaker 2>But eventually men want Okay, Yeah, I'm sure they do

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff, right, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Think Donna could do other stuff in that scene because

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<v Speaker 3>I can't show any of it.

0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.680
<v Speaker 2>But we can't do it. Yeah, I'm sure we assume.

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<v Speaker 2>I just.

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't like how he's like, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>want to, I can't stop when in this close I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like.

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<v Speaker 2>But he does. I mean, good, good for him, I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, and then he's wearing your makeup, Like

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<v Speaker 3>you know scenes you can tell like you have a

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<v Speaker 3>lighter skin tone. I always noticed things like this lipstick

0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.600
<v Speaker 3>or makeup on in the scenes. I don't he look

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<v Speaker 3>like he had pale pale face for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the character of Donna was very relatable, where

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<v Speaker 1>the guy's reaction was written like by men on a

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<v Speaker 1>TV show because I know plenty of virgins myself included

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<v Speaker 1>that were virgins right along with Donna, And I never

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<v Speaker 1>had one guy say anything like, oh, kum on, I

0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:23.920
<v Speaker 1>knew you want to ever.

0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, it would be, but I want to it's hard

0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.080
<v Speaker 2>to stop, but it would never be I know you

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<v Speaker 2>want to, or.

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<v Speaker 1>Just it wasn't a big deal. Like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I could be wrong. In college, I was y'all's age,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of girls back then were not just

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<v Speaker 1>like sleeping with college boys, So I don't I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I think Donna was pretty relatable and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>their reaction wasn't. But like you know, people can tell

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<v Speaker 1>me I'm wrong. This was just my experience and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I thought he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was and lose my virginity in real life till I

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<v Speaker 2>was eighteen, and like, I never had a guy pressure me, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and all my friends like we're sleeping guys, and like

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<v Speaker 2>I would date guys in high school and yeah there

0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:10.880
<v Speaker 2>was never there was.

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<v Speaker 1>Other stuffy So maybe we're writing the guys wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe yes, I mean I just both of them before

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<v Speaker 3>are still wrong to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So next is we go to the mansion where

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<v Speaker 1>now we discover that Finley's got this mansion. We go

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<v Speaker 1>right from there to this big old mansion and I

0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.680
<v Speaker 1>was like, what house is this? And we see that

0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.680
<v Speaker 1>they've taken it over and this is the headquarters for

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<v Speaker 1>Finley's cult basically okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right? So Brandon calls Kelly right and yes, and

0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.440
<v Speaker 3>she says can you take a message? And right there

0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Finley comes in with can you take the truth? I

0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.280
<v Speaker 3>was like Jesus, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was first refuddled, where am I? What mansion is this? I?

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<v Speaker 2>Where was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? And I wondered where did the money come from?

0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.359
<v Speaker 1>And we later find out. I was like, how are

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<v Speaker 1>they affording this thing?

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<v Speaker 3>He's got plans and he needs big spaces to hold

0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:36.160
<v Speaker 3>all of his followers. Yes, he's really putting together something

0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:37.480
<v Speaker 3>special up there on that hill.

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<v Speaker 1>I think did you catch Brandon also saying to the

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<v Speaker 1>guy like hey, Chief, like, will you get her? I'm like, well,

0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.840
<v Speaker 1>like you call everybody that isn't that Andre's name? I'm like,

0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought we call her that because she's the editor

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how she got the nickname.

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<v Speaker 3>And now he just yeah, but I started using chief

0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:58.600
<v Speaker 3>for like.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, yeah, yeah, I know, but it's what he called

0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.439
<v Speaker 2>her like I wish he hadn't said it.

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<v Speaker 3>So my question in this area was, does Kelly know

0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.600
<v Speaker 3>at this point that Brandon cheated on her or was

0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.399
<v Speaker 3>with Emily when she came back to town. No, because

0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.359
<v Speaker 3>she says something that makes me feel like she knows

0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Orsert there. I don't know what it was, but it

0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.320
<v Speaker 3>was in that phone call where she says she kind

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<v Speaker 3>of calls him out and says, oh, I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just referring like you were with Emily, like during fire,

0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.399
<v Speaker 2>like we weren't there, you were someone or do you

0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.960
<v Speaker 2>feel like she he Well, women's intuition's always right.

0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.600
<v Speaker 3>So you're right. It might be not that she thinks more.

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<v Speaker 3>But she's still just really upset that he wasn't there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>fair when he said he would be.

0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that could be true.

0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.359
<v Speaker 3>And so maybe she's working all this out in this

0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 3>in the New evolution, doing this like, you know, work

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<v Speaker 3>on herself.

0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.480
<v Speaker 1>And when she says you're my own worst limitter, she's

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<v Speaker 1>using Finley speak.

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<v Speaker 3>M hm. So a limitter is like somebody who doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>believe in you or thinks you're only capable of certain things. Right, Maybe, Yeah,

0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.560
<v Speaker 3>it's you limits you from your.

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<v Speaker 2>Keeps you small.

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.439
<v Speaker 3>We should start using that word.

0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, somebody pleas to go through and write down all

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<v Speaker 1>the finley terms.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they're kind of good.

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<v Speaker 1>So we go to the telethon. We're kind of there.

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<v Speaker 3>My notes say why is Brandon? Why are Brandon Donna kissing?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not yet. First he has to realize she's bailing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we set up the telethon.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you go pick it up for this part.

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<v Speaker 1>So simultaneously we realize that Brandon is calling Kelly from

0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.119
<v Speaker 1>the telethon and we're kind of catching up about what

0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.639
<v Speaker 1>is going on. They're raising money I think for pediatric

0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:06.280
<v Speaker 1>hurt needs. Yeah, doctor Hagobian's there, and we're realizing, like,

0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.920
<v Speaker 1>she's not coming, so he's totally been abandoned and there's

0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.600
<v Speaker 1>some sort of a like a something he needs her.

0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.040
<v Speaker 2>For he kiss what is it?

0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:17.680
<v Speaker 3>He needs to kiss her.

0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Valentine, So we know he's now going to go and try, and.

0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:27.320
<v Speaker 3>So he recruits Donna. Her recruits Oh I like that. You.

0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. We don't quite get to the makeout of the

0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.679
<v Speaker 1>Century where I was like, what is happening? But we

0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.120
<v Speaker 1>realized this was supposed to be your thing, Kelly's thing,

0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and she's bailing.

0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:39.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh for the sorority house. It was like a big

0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:41.760
<v Speaker 3>event that had been playing.

0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:47.280
<v Speaker 1>We're kind of learning like, oh, Kelly's sort of shirking

0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:51.040
<v Speaker 1>her responsibilities, but also like alienating herself from all the

0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:52.760
<v Speaker 1>things that she had done previously.

0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Interesting and they kind of delate you.

0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and she has that hangs up on She says,

0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to point you, and he's like, I'm not disappointed,

0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.359
<v Speaker 1>and then hangs up and it was just like whoa.

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:10.639
<v Speaker 1>So then we realize he needs a girl, but it's

0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.040
<v Speaker 1>he's got a thing for blondes because Claire is just

0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:15.560
<v Speaker 1>not not going to work for him.

0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it just was Claire. He didn't want

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.399
<v Speaker 3>to right, She's always going to be like, hey, what

0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.920
<v Speaker 3>about me? And he's we get to it, but I.

0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Feel like it wouldn't have been. Well, there's two things

0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.720
<v Speaker 2>going on. If he goes with Claire, that's kind of

0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:34.159
<v Speaker 2>almost like cheating on Kelly in a way because Donna safe,

0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 2>but also I'm going to make out with your best

0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.160
<v Speaker 2>friend but okay, cool.

0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like wtf, WTF. So it kind of cuts

0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.919
<v Speaker 1>to suddenly this kissing and we don't really know what's happening, right,

0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.439
<v Speaker 1>and there's sort of this bit going on with David

0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and I was literally like.

0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:55.600
<v Speaker 3>What, so, tell us do you remember the the the

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:56.399
<v Speaker 3>these kissings.

0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a friend, my friend Ailey, and she

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.480
<v Speaker 2>is like a super fan of the show, and she

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.120
<v Speaker 2>told me once she was like, oh, oh my god,

0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:12.119
<v Speaker 2>remember that kiss with Brandon? And I was like, falls

0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:16.160
<v Speaker 2>never kissed Brandon on the show and she was like, uh, yeah,

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.320
<v Speaker 2>you did. What are you talking about? It was like

0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.800
<v Speaker 2>the hottest kiss ever. It was intense. She sent me

0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:26.120
<v Speaker 2>the clip and I was like, oh, shoot, didn't remember

0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:31.760
<v Speaker 2>that one either. So that was okay. You know when

0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 2>you're with a virgin and there's just like a lot

0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:39.880
<v Speaker 2>of pent up stuff from both ends. That was like, oh,

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of pent up.

0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.240
<v Speaker 3>No, you nothing was pent up. You just had a

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 3>making out in the bed scene with Ray. What does

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 3>it take five minutes for you to get all built

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:52.320
<v Speaker 3>up again? I'm not going mad.

0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about real life right now. That was a

0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.200
<v Speaker 2>little I'm talking about real life right now. You guys

0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.560
<v Speaker 2>aren't listening. Pent up marrying me?

0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:01.640
<v Speaker 3>You're pent up?

0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Got it, We're both pent up.

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.800
<v Speaker 1>He's living vicariously through Donna.

0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I am Brandon aka Jason and Donna aka Tory.

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 3>We're pentas.

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Hey, we got a moment here. I always wonder what

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 2>that would be.

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Like behind the scenes at this point.

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:33.119
<v Speaker 3>Nah, okay, so not at this point talking about Donna, Brandon, Kelly,

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.160
<v Speaker 3>not the real life people.

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that is an amazing kiss. But it

0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 1>seemed a little crazy. I get that it was sort

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 1>of acting, but it was like it was out of context.

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:46.359
<v Speaker 1>It was weird.

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 2>It was out of context because Jason and I were

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.719
<v Speaker 2>both like, Okay, we have an opportunity here, Brandon.

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't the director be like, Okay, guys, that looked amazing,

0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Let's do one where we're not quite so into it.

0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 1>And then there's like snarky comments because Anna says like

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.439
<v Speaker 1>I'd be happy to fill in, which is like a

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>bit flirty for her best friend's boyfriend. And then he says,

0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:07.919
<v Speaker 1>you can do it for the rest of your life,

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 1>like he's obviously all bitter, but he's not broken up

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>with Kelly.

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>So it's at the hospital scene when they came to

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:19.400
<v Speaker 2>see Dylan and Donna was just like caressing Brandon's leg

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.439
<v Speaker 2>to consult. Do you remember this, you guys. And I

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.119
<v Speaker 2>was like, I was like, I called it out. I

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 2>was like, that was a little like she's just like

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 2>rubbing his leg. And I was like, there's moments, you

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 2>guys if you look back where you're like, yeah, at much.

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 3>From from not just from you too. But that was

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 3>across the board. We are all very very very very

0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 3>very very familiar with each other, and there were not

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:46.159
<v Speaker 3>a lot of boundaries.

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.399
<v Speaker 2>And it crossed over into characters. Sometimes it would be

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:51.879
<v Speaker 2>like whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah, fair, let's move on.

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, are you going to go to the Welsh house now? Yep?

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.640
<v Speaker 3>Exactly right, Thank goodness, Okay, this is This is good

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 3>because we talked last week week about how Jim clearly

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have good feelings for Val. We really see that

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:09.440
<v Speaker 3>in this scene because VAL's moving out now that she's

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 3>so rich. I don't know how she's affording all this ship.

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 3>But she has journey, it's already gone, her car, her yeah,

0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:23.200
<v Speaker 3>her clothes, her new hotel life. But he he does

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 3>not like her, and he thinks that she is going

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:29.119
<v Speaker 3>to be back in two weeks weeks.

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:32.880
<v Speaker 3>I felt like it was a very Aco taco scene,

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Like I felt so uncomfy. Yeah, yeah, he hates her.

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 1>He's like, she doesn't understand the value of anything.

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<v Speaker 5>Shedy, I've never seen like a parent's parents on a

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 5>show like this be that like against one of the

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:51.440
<v Speaker 5>main people.

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Like it just doesn't it's weird, it's so wrong. But

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 2>they I'm telling you there's some bad story here, but

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<v Speaker 2>willing to ever say it because they don't.

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 3>So it's like something it's fun to watch. I love

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.679
<v Speaker 3>watching Jim have like an attitude about something, getting his

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 3>little harry chest all riled up.

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. You know he's like.

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 3>His hairs were like.

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 2>His alpha hairs, but he's finally in alpha because he's

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 2>not real.

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 1>Spitter about her. You would think he'd be happy to

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 1>get her out of the house.

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:25.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, there's something hot about it.

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Cindy's more worried Colin Dylan about it, but Jim is

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 1>just done with Valerie.

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Then we go to Ray's mom's house where she is

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:40.359
<v Speaker 3>so happy about her crews and she is living for Donna,

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:46.639
<v Speaker 3>loving Donna and really wants Ray to not screw this up.

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Correct, And it's shocking in my opinion that she tells

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>him to just go find it elsewhere.

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, he he You know, it was nice the way

0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 3>he was kind of talking to his mom. I felt

0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 3>like that was a good thing. And he tells her

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 3>about his sexual frustration and she does. She tells him

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 3>go find it somewhere else, but don't but be careful

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 3>about it. Be discreet, discreet and safe, which is like

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 3>like maybe.

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Not finding one of the friend group, like maybe someone else.

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.679
<v Speaker 1>But okay, thank you toy exactly.

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. At first I was like, Okay, this is good

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 3>sound advice from a mom. And then all of a sudden,

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 3>I was like, whoa, I don't like that.

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Well the mom should have said be super happy for

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 1>what you have and wait wait yeah, it's not going

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.959
<v Speaker 1>to kill you, right, just be patient. You don't like

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the mom basically tells him to go cheat on her.

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I was like, missus.

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 3>Plan like that, Yeah, but that's kind of like on

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 3>par for her.

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.440
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of yeah. I do have one scene right

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 1>before that that I just want to make note of

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>because it's important. It's where Nat and Brandon talk about

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 1>cults and that Susie French with the buzz cut her

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>sister was in a cult, and he kind of starts

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>to indicate to Brandon this is not good.

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 3>So I just wanted to Yeah, he's like the first

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 3>red flag, like for Brandon to be like, wait, I

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 3>really maybe you need to do something about this.

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, really yes.

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that's where I was like, thank God for Nat.

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah totally, and that is making it all personal and

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like take that out of it. Something's wrong, which good.

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay. So then we get a glimpse into Valeries beautiful

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 3>new hotel digs yep. Have you ever seen an uglier

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 3>hotel room?

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 2>What is the Bellami Hotel?

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Does it pretend? It's kind of the famous pretend hotel

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>where Jack mchaela.

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah that that It looks very familiar.

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh I thought it was for some reason. I thought

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Jack lived at the Bellage.

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.239
<v Speaker 3>Why does Dylan go there to visit her?

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Why is he wearing a suit?

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Because it's the new him. I can't stand his wardrobe

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>this season and it gets worse. It's gonna keep going.

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>It's very mature, I know, and I don't want it.

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I just was so frustrated by the fact that the

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>money does not add up unless she's regularly working for Jonesy.

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>The money does not add up.

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 3>And is done trying to help her or is he

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 3>trying to insult her?

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe a little bit of both.

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't get his motives. I don't get her motives.

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>They just talk from the book of weird sayings. Don't

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>you to ruin this for me and get so far

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>out there that you can't find your way back? Like

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, what are these people?

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's confusing. Oh, but then we go back to

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 3>the new evolution.

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh and Brandon's there, uh huh. And then and Finley

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>calls Kelly a tease, which I.

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Was like, what for not being honest with Brandon?

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Finally sucks too. Oh yeah, and you're really throwing the

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>lingo out. You're being a negator, Brandon, And like he's trying,

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and she's just very sucked in, and he sort of

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>tries to acknowledge her like post traumatic stress, which I

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>thought was kind of ahead of its time. Then I

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of realized that, and then she just.

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Is like, yeah, I just don't I just don't like

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 3>it that she's there by herself, she has no support

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 3>from Donna or Andrea or can you pushed them away? Yeah?

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 3>It just feels the storyline is not feeling good.

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I have a question though, Like Donna, yeah, you pushed

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 2>her away, but like, would she just go away?

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Not really?

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>No, No, I mean they have a separate relationship. That's

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of hmm. She's in baby, in marriage and cheating

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>land and so you know.

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 3>But but if your best friend was like all of

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 3>a sudden, m i A all the time, not coming

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 3>through her commitments, not treating her boyfriend who she loves well,

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 3>her best friend would be like, hey, what's going on,

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 3>or let's hang out or you know, try to be

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 3>more connected with her to try to find out what's

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 3>going on.

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's a miss.

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I agree, I agree with you. Yeah, she would

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>be kind of there with Brandon. It wouldn't be taking

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 1>this so lightly.

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Unless it was a phone call maybe, And like Ray

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 2>was playing in the background, so they had to cut that.

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Donn is like, I'd like to see you.

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Where are you? So they just cut the whole scene.

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought she was going to break up with him,

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 1>but this is where he says, I love you, You're

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>my best friend, and she doesn't break up with.

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Him, right. I thought that scene was so I was

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 3>captivated by that scene because I didn't know what was

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 3>going to happen at the end of it for once,

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 3>and I felt like that was some of my favorite

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 3>acting that I've seen Jason or Brandon or whatever do.

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 3>He just felt so genuine and like he was really

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 3>in love with this girl, h and he was. He

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 3>wanted to put it all on the line, and she

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 3>you can tell she's so in love with him too,

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 3>but she's just caught up in this situation. But she can't.

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 3>You're right, she couldn't break it off. That is just

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 3>so good.

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 2>But I'm really hung up on the fact that you

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>said that you didn't know what was going to happen

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the scene for once.

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I got to go back to that.

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 3>Good call, Good call. I pretty much.

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Never watching this for the first time. Yeah, that scene

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>was really good, which is why later in the episode

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I sort of was like, what's happening, But we'll get

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>to that because this scene was very real. Crazy see

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that he's not abusive, he's very supportive. He's even though

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 1>she's hurting him, he's so loving and like, I'll leave

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>it that's what you want.

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>But I'm mature for a guy. In the twenties.

0:32:56.240 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's really handling it well point and somehow

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 3>he convinces her to leave with him. Yeah, back to.

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Real seems normal, yea. Yeah, back at that they're posing

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>in the heart and the whole thing.

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was crushing on Brandon in that.

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>But first we have what I put called craziest scene

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>of the episode, Andrea and Jesse fighting and bumping into

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Peter and his wife, and I was just like, oh

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>my god.

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 3>And then they go have there. Then they want to

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 3>go hang out. They go to the movie together.

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're all sitting at a table, I mean, the

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>whole thing. And then and is it called a furtive glance?

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Andrea and Peter are exchanging a furtive glances? I was that,

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't that mean it's sort of like what I think

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>it's called a furtive glance, which is like would have

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I think if you r t I V It's like,

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the right word. That the right word

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>furtive attempting to avoid notice or attention, typically because of

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>guilt or belief that discovery would lead to trouble. Secretive.

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 3>WHOA, right they had that look the face was WHOA?

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>That was awesome.

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>That hole to do just had me shook because.

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Are they going to be swingers?

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 3>And then we get the call back later and then

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 3>the hands on the table and they touched the hands

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 3>they can't.

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And then and the wife is kind of fun.

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, she's not.

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Do you think if the wife wasn't so chatty, the

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 2>four of them would have all hooked up. I don't know.

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.720
<v Speaker 3>I also think that's a possibility that that could happen.

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.319
<v Speaker 3>But she, I could just see her husband is like,

0:34:55.480 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 3>shut the you know what. Yeah, it was talking for

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 3>just one second.

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 1>She's obviously like in the fashion industry or something, and

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 1>she's real spouty about all the things. I don't know.

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Jesse seemed to be enjoying it, and then Andrea.

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Was just like Jenny given, Yeah, I think some swapping

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 3>coming up.

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>But important note is if you remember what Andrea says

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:24.439
<v Speaker 1>to Jesse the movie she wanted to see. That's why

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the phone call later from Peter is like, because he

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:33.320
<v Speaker 1>refers to a scene in the movie she wanted to

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 1>see as opposed to or maybe the movie they're seeing.

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 1>They had that conversation.

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, sorry, rock movie.

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 1>So if I can remember this, but I'm messing it up.

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 1>When Andrea and Jesse are fighting, they're sort of talking

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>about they were gonna go see Rocky, but instead they're

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 1>seeing the movie you know whatever, some lovey movie and

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the movie what's whatever they're seeing? I can't remember. I

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 1>have to like, I don't remember what it's called. That's

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>when Peter has the fantasy of them. It's from the

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>movie Andrea wanted, which I think is the one maybe

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>they end up seeing as opposed to what Jesse wanted

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to see. There's all kind of like signs of like, oh,

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Peter's really like gets.

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Her wait a movie if fred is Stare and Ginger.

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Rogers, Oh yes, yes, yes.

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 2>He's fair to remember. No, that wasn't it.

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Wait what I think?

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 1>You're all close? You're close? Vor you got it like

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it was all that kind of jazz.

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 3>But I feel like I know why they're they're linked together.

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 3>It's because they have the same exact hair. Dude, did

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 3>you guys notice what I kept cutting back and forth

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 3>and like pausing it and be like his hair looks

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 3>exactly like her hair. This is why they love each other.

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 3>Same color, same poof Go back to the telephone for

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 3>a second. Okay, did you put see the part where

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 3>David is on stage and he's introducing or thanking the

0:36:54.920 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 3>comedian the yes, did you feel like his hair and

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:06.240
<v Speaker 3>was like way too low on her to be like I.

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't looking at his hand. I missed that and I

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>live for that kind of stuff. I was two sideways

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>on Claire's.

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Pants, but we were talking about handsy. He was being

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 3>handy with his handsy.

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Ah, her pants.

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Claire's pants were like which pants which part? Black shiny shiny, shiny,

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>shiny leathery leggings like like like a yellow umbrella coat

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 1>in black, remember the old just like if you were

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:39.879
<v Speaker 1>wearing like oh, they were like a very y yes.

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 3>I was like, ain't nothing wrong with a little latex.

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Before we move on to I think it was creepy

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the whole like Jesse Andrea Peter the wife Adrian. I

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:57.800
<v Speaker 1>was like, this is crazy.

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 3>I'd like something interesting to have happened there, but I

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 3>don't think anything.

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 1>What are you talking about? The call at the end,

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>he's all flirty with her and she's all into it.

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I would like a little bit of like, you know,

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 3>the whole drama with Amy Roeback Nandrew Shoe, you know,

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 3>how they're they swapped. Basically, I want to see some

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 3>of that action.

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't mind seeing that, but it's not gonna happen,

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 2>is it.

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:28.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's too too busy. You're too busy talking about

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:33.319
<v Speaker 3>what the freak is val doing making the moves on Ray?

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:37.360
<v Speaker 3>What is that motive? What is this about? Just to

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 3>break up Donna and Ray? What is it? Because she's broken?

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so she wants to break them up because it's

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>just just fun for her.

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's all.

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's anything else.

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I spent my entire shower this morning thinking about Valerie

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:55.280
<v Speaker 1>and her motives.

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Well that's creepy.

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, I don't know what to say about that.

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.919
<v Speaker 1>It's like burns with me because I got so many

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>comments being like you don't like Tiffany, and I'm like,

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I love Tiffany, but Valerie.

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 4>Sucks and I don't know it does don't.

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:13.640
<v Speaker 1>See that first of all. But when she turned on

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the lights of the truck, I was like, that's actually evil,

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Like what is she doing? I was like, she sucks?

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Then she fully it's not even like oh they had

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 1>an attraction, Like.

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Maybe she's just saying do you want to go you

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 3>know what, full.

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 1>After him to be mean. She is doing it to

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>be mean.

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what though, he just really hopped in

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 3>that truck that's a little too fast for me.

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Well just get it somewhere else. So he's like terrible too.

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I also thought it was weird that he says, I'll

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:53.240
<v Speaker 1>call you later. Why why are you gonna call her later? What?

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>And he says it multiple.

0:39:54.600 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Times, but Donna sees them having their furtive looks. Re

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 3>furtive looks.

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>It looks it was just really good, mean a Valerie.

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 3>What didn't you expect?

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to call therapists and be like, what is

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:12.879
<v Speaker 1>her deal? And it's because I this is what I've

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>come up with, Tory, Jenny, you tell me if I'm right. Okay,

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:21.879
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't believe she's worthy of her own love. She's

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 1>so broken that that's why she takes Dylan, who was

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 1>like basically with someone else. Now she's going after it

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 1>because it's like she doesn't really feel worthy of like

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 1>her own right relations.

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Just back in the day at one point when her

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 2>and Jim had a fling, he just didn't make her

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 2>feel worthy. So now it's just it's repeating over and

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:47.720
<v Speaker 2>over until she feels worthy again.

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 1>It's just she is a messy, messy character. It's just

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 1>so mean. It's very dark what she does. And then

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 1>the whole like three hundred dollars like now she's just.

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Flex Oh that's gross.

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh she's so sad inside. I can't stand it.

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I know she took the little Virgin's boyfriend.

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then the next morning, Donna calls Ray's house

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 3>and Ray's mom covers for him and says he, uh,

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 3>he had already left for the morning.

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.759
<v Speaker 1>And also Ray sucks. He sucks.

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they just sucks.

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Because why her. He can have any girl he wants,

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 2>So like Valerie's doing it to be mean. She doesn't

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 2>feel worthy, okay, and she's just mean. It's just plain

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:33.879
<v Speaker 2>and simple, cut and dry.

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 3>She's hot though, like she's hot.

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 1>She's hot.

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Ray could pick another girl, so that that's more calculated,

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 2>not calculated, it's just.

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 3>It's more not thought out. It's more like impetuous. So

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.800
<v Speaker 3>but I have a need, let me fulfill it.

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:54.760
<v Speaker 2>But be a little smart. If he wants to keep Donna,

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>he should be a little smarter and just go get

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>some two bit hooker from Heidi Flies. There you go,

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 2>now those are expensive. He couldn't afford it because his mom.

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 2>It's brew it with one tea because his mom couldn't

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 2>afford too. Definitely can't afford Heidi flies.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:12.880
<v Speaker 1>How about he just waits for Donna.

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he loves her, he loves he loves her.

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 2>If he loves her, his mama, his mama told him,

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 2>like what he.

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.719
<v Speaker 3>Can just he he's broken too, totally, Yeah, these are

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 3>two broken people. It was.

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.439
<v Speaker 1>It definitely stuck with me. I was like, I'm not.

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh, clearly if you're thinking about it in your shower.

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 1>I watched it yesterday. I watched him yesterday, and it

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>was still with me this morning. And I also was

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 1>like just so torn because I don't I don't like it.

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>That being said, do I like it on the show?

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Is also what I was analyzing, Like when people tell

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 1>me like, oh I love Valerie, Okay, do you actually

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>love Valerie or do you enjoy watching her antics?

0:42:56.360 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Because there is a difference. Yeah, well here, let me

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.840
<v Speaker 2>really break this down for you. The only reason like Ray,

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:08.399
<v Speaker 2>I think Ray would have picked somebody else. The only

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 2>reason he did go with Valerie is well, that's boring.

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 2>If we see him and a coach star guest star

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 2>that goes away. We need to have two main characters together,

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:20.879
<v Speaker 2>so it's just the writers. It's it's simple.

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Gray's fall, it's Lucas she's defending.

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Of course.

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:28.840
<v Speaker 3>Did you think how cute Brandon looked when he was

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 3>wrapped in the blanket though, and you and Donna was

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:32.800
<v Speaker 3>talking to him in the hallway?

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>But is it that cold?

0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:36.240
<v Speaker 3>It must have been.

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was cute, Like it looks very horrible.

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 2>It should have been a BFF blanket.

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so he's wearing the blanket, then I have

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:49.760
<v Speaker 1>a flag on the play.

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 5>Okay, it was a little unhinged that he went blanket.

0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 3>Her being gone to him just let ten Cray busting in.

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 1>It was like, how did you know? She just wasn't

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>getting coffee? Like he just went full tilt nuts.

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 3>I kind of liked it, but it didn't feel very

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 3>characteristic for Brandon, like he would have been a little

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 3>bit more together. Let's see, let's see how this is

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 3>playing out before.

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Huge chops in this one.

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 3>He did and it was an entrance.

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>What an entrance and yet awkward that Finley is giving

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 1>coaching to you while I'm yeah, while Kelly's talking to

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:42.720
<v Speaker 1>him very bizarre.

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:43.919
<v Speaker 3>And telling her what to do.

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:49.440
<v Speaker 2>We loved Gil Shilton, we loved him, but the director,

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 2>the director, sorry, but it's clear from different things like

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the kiss, like the scene with Brandon.

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 3>That he's just like, do whatever you guys want.

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 2>What you guys want. I'm not directing this.

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:04.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll just be over here.

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.919
<v Speaker 2>I'll just do you know what I mean.

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 3>He's like, we still, we really did need somebody to he.

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Just wrangleds that didn't quite make sit work right.

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 3>It's so true. What an what a good call out.

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 3>That's really true.

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 2>But we loved him.

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 3>He was he was our friend. So this is a

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 3>scene where Kelly breaks up with Brandon in front of everybody,

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 3>and that was rough. I didn't like watching that, I know,

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 3>but there's that they're broken up.

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:45.319
<v Speaker 1>I guess yeah, I mean it was rough everyone. A

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>couple of questions too, for you guys before this, logistically

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:55.799
<v Speaker 1>and financially, nothing makes sense because how Valerie is paying

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 1>for all these things, and how clear went to the

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.959
<v Speaker 1>beach apartment and was going to shower and be back

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 1>on stage at the peach Pit in fifteen.

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I mean, they lost us when they

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:10.839
<v Speaker 2>lived at the beach and they get like, it's come

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 2>on the beach.

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:16.760
<v Speaker 1>To Beverly Hills at best I minutes.

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 2>You guys have to let this stuff go because there

0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 2>is to.

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Pick on Wilshire and they're in Santa Monica and it's

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a straight shot to the peak.

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 3>About it, I was like, he's going to be thinking

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 3>about the hitter shower tomorrow.

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I literally wrote on my notes.

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 2>We think about me in the shower tomorrow. I'm a shallow.

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Steve.

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.919
<v Speaker 1>Also, can we call out very minor in these last

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 1>few episodes? I had a little more in this one.

0:46:58.200 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Do you think he was fired up about that?

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because he got the scene with Aaron

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:06.879
<v Speaker 1>your dad, so that was legit. But he three or

0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:09.919
<v Speaker 1>four tiny little moments in this.

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:14.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes me nervous. My PTSD is flaring up.

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:16.760
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm talking about?

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm breaking out nip.

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 2>B H night onto and out that day. Is that

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:24.760
<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about? No number.

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:28.239
<v Speaker 3>And that?

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Remember that all of it.

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Screen and then we sort of have the performance by Jade. Okay,

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 1>well yeah, I was like I could have cut that

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 1>to get it on my big screen. No problem. Same. Yeah,

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:45.399
<v Speaker 1>I didn't need it me either.

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:49.719
<v Speaker 3>But this is where we see Donna confront Ray is

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 3>about why is part what what where were you last night?

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 3>And wait? Why was your truck parked outside all night?

0:47:57.480 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 3>I thought she had a little bit too much information

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 3>for the little information she actually had.

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 1>What.

0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 3>No, she saw his truck was there when she went

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:08.960
<v Speaker 3>to leave, correct, but.

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Like a mom oh there he goes in his truck

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>or he's gone, Like I don't know, I don't know.

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 1>She's jumping to conclusions.

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Or did she know? And she was just leading the witness.

0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Leading the witness maybe so oh I love that tactic.

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe, because she's the best one.

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 3>And then we see Brandon go and ask Dylan to

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:29.880
<v Speaker 3>help him with Kelly.

0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Who could possibly get through to her? Who do? Like

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.799
<v Speaker 1>immediately you're like, who could it could be?

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Her act she's still in love with cool let

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:40.760
<v Speaker 2>me go there.

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, great idea. Let me let me bring him into this.

0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Also those two.

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:49.399
<v Speaker 2>Because he knows, he knows that year we'll live with Dylan.

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 2>So correct.

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 1>They are not friends. They are not friends. They're rude

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:54.399
<v Speaker 1>to each other.

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was just mad in this episode about the

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:04.799
<v Speaker 3>way they're letting Donna be be done wrong like this

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:12.680
<v Speaker 3>in the ease and the level of fake that I

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 3>get watching from val like it just gives me, like

0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 3>it takes away my hope in all sisterhood and women

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 3>for women, like it just really rocks me on a

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 3>deep level of like, don't trust women because they're like this.

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, she's not their friend. But Valerie is not their friend.

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:36.719
<v Speaker 3>No, she's not. Well, she does try to be their friends,

0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:37.360
<v Speaker 3>she wants.

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:39.320
<v Speaker 1>To be their friend, but she's not a friend. She's

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:40.480
<v Speaker 1>really evil.

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:44.600
<v Speaker 2>But this is actually very real though, because this does exist.

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 2>While there is sisterhood and there is empowerment and women's stick, there.

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:52.839
<v Speaker 3>Are people that are this manipulative and fake.

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 2>But there are not. All women are great, they're just not.

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:00.960
<v Speaker 1>What does the word maniacal mean? That's the word that

0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>keeps coming in my head.

0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Maniacal.

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 3>She's so planned, it's calculated, It's yeah, but I think

0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 3>maniacal is more like manic.

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Maniacal exhibiting extreme, wild or violent behavior. Magantic, that's not

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 1>what it is, Okay. What is the right word to

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:21.280
<v Speaker 1>describe Valerie?

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Militious?

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 3>A compulsive, she has like behavioral disorder, she has like

0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:28.879
<v Speaker 3>some need to lie.

0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then you're writing it off like we can

0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, she has something, so do you know

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? What if she can some people? What

0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 2>if she's just a bad prad.

0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:44.200
<v Speaker 3>To the bone, She's bad to the bone. Yeah.

0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Now I am torn in the sense that I am

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 1>hate watching Valerie. I'm enjoying how terrible she is.

0:50:56.400 --> 0:51:00.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't, I'm not. I'm kind of like it's so much,

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 3>it's so good.

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 1>You don't like her, like right, like Jenny knowing you,

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:07.839
<v Speaker 1>you're more like bothered by it.

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:10.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm bothered by it, like how could somebody be this

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.280
<v Speaker 3>calculated and manipulative and fake?

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Where I'm like, she sucks. I can't wait to see

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:17.200
<v Speaker 1>what she does next week.

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Same, Yeah, she sucks.

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I think because I love all the the main characters

0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:25.680
<v Speaker 3>so much, and at this point we've all seen their flaws,

0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 3>we all know what their weakness is there, and they're

0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.319
<v Speaker 3>what they're dealing with as humans, and we still love

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 3>them because there's something about each of these characters that

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:38.400
<v Speaker 3>no matter how far they go off the deepen or what, like,

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:41.399
<v Speaker 3>We're still gonna love David after he has this drug thing.

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:44.600
<v Speaker 3>We're still gonna love Kelly after she great gets out

0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 3>of the cult. But there's nothing redeeming whatsoever in any

0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:49.880
<v Speaker 3>fiber of this character.

0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good right, So perhaps it's planned that way, yes,

0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 2>but that is that is an absolute departure from what

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.160
<v Speaker 2>the show was originally about.

0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, and in this very episode, Andrea is essentially.

0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Well at the midpoint, doing.

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.640
<v Speaker 1>The same thing as Valerie being a cheater. Right now,

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Valerie's We're still okay with her, but I'm sort of like,

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I love her. Why is she doing this?

0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 3>David's drug issue?

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:25.040
<v Speaker 2>He cheated on Donna and we still we still.

0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Love him, Yeah, and we've forgiven him, and she's letting

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 1>him date her friend. It's very strange.

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 3>So either this is this is either the departure and

0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:36.880
<v Speaker 3>this is where it just started to get really soapy

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:39.680
<v Speaker 3>and they used started using devices like this, you want

0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 3>to say, to manipulate the audience. No, I'm not gonna

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 3>say that. That's not yet. Or it's a miss in

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 3>that they didn't develop this character well enough to give

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:56.200
<v Speaker 3>her enough complexity for the audience to love to hate her.

0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:58.000
<v Speaker 3>But you know, love to hate her.

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>But I wonder if it was purpose. Yeah, I don't know.

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, either way it works. But it's just

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.600
<v Speaker 3>like when you're looking at it and you're looking at

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 3>the show as a whole, and here we are halfway

0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:12.640
<v Speaker 3>through the run of the show.

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, David and Andrea and et cetera, all

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:22.560
<v Speaker 1>y'all can be redeemed, where it's harder to redeem Valerie

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:23.799
<v Speaker 1>because it's just.

0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:26.920
<v Speaker 3>And I don't think it's just Valerie moving forward. I

0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 3>think it's like there are a bunch of new characters

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 3>that are going to start to come on, and yeah,

0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:33.400
<v Speaker 3>you kind of care about them, but you don't really

0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:37.759
<v Speaker 3>care about them like you do the main you know,

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:39.640
<v Speaker 3>core og cast.

0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:43.760
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing like the OG that's okay.

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, which is interesting because in Gray's Anatomy, Yeah, there

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:51.960
<v Speaker 1>are new characters that I care about as much as

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I cared about the original characters.

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:59.960
<v Speaker 3>It's the writing. It's the writing, it's the character. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:02.719
<v Speaker 3>I think there were there started to become a lot

0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:06.839
<v Speaker 3>of moving parts on the show, so many storylines and

0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 3>so many things that they were trying to do that

0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 3>I feel like maybe they started to you know, I'm

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 3>still in it.

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.040
<v Speaker 1>It has not jumped at the shark ye anyway, I'm

0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:23.080
<v Speaker 1>still completely in because essentially we're only missing one of

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the core characters at this point, Jess Brenda. We're getting

0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:32.120
<v Speaker 1>these randos, but like I'm still fully in.

0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, it's just weird because this is a

0:54:35.040 --> 0:54:35.760
<v Speaker 3>cast member.

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:39.560
<v Speaker 3>This isn't like a guest star that comes in like

0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:43.399
<v Speaker 3>Ariel right, who we hate her but she goes away

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.239
<v Speaker 3>in the next lesson. This is somebody that we see

0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:50.440
<v Speaker 3>week after week after week doing making these horrible choices

0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.439
<v Speaker 3>and doing these terrible things to the people that we love.

0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:57.040
<v Speaker 3>And it's just really hard to like, I just am

0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:00.600
<v Speaker 3>having trouble understanding why they're doing this to me o villain.

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:04.680
<v Speaker 1>We now have a villain on this show where people

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 1>made mistakes before, but none of the characters were a villain.

0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:12.280
<v Speaker 3>And that for me, is where the show it's split.

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.879
<v Speaker 3>It's splitting for sure, in just like what the show

0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:18.000
<v Speaker 3>is and the and the message of it.

0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 2>But what if, like take her out of it, it

0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:22.760
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have gone on the way it was going, because

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 2>why not?

0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:26.279
<v Speaker 3>It was going great? It was, but there was no

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 3>reason to bring in.

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:30.880
<v Speaker 2>So you have to change things up sometimes and change art.

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.480
<v Speaker 3>I understand, but what but like I said before, like

0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:35.680
<v Speaker 3>why not have it just be a guest star that's

0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:41.000
<v Speaker 3>there for three episodes, or I feel like by including

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 3>this villain into the main cast the opening credits, no

0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 3>offense against Tiffany whatsoever. This has nothing to do with

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:52.440
<v Speaker 3>my feelings about anything real. This is just about me watching, Like,

0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:55.359
<v Speaker 3>why are they asking me as a as a fan

0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:58.439
<v Speaker 3>of the show, super fan of the show. Yes, I'm

0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:00.760
<v Speaker 3>a super fan of the show. Why are they asking

0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:03.440
<v Speaker 3>me to accept this girl into my opening credits of

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:07.800
<v Speaker 3>the show, and like, pretend like she's one of the gang,

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.000
<v Speaker 3>but then watch her do these evil, devious things. She's

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:11.839
<v Speaker 3>everybody that I.

0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:13.919
<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm going to tell you the reason right now,

0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:19.080
<v Speaker 2>because it historically notoriously worked for every spelling.

0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Exactly like this is the Carrington whatever, Donna.

0:56:23.120 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, Amanda, this is it worked and it worked every time.

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.359
<v Speaker 2>So at this point he's like, and it was.

0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Kind of what your dad did to reject inject a

0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:43.279
<v Speaker 1>boost into a show that was struggling because Dynasty Joan

0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Collins was not in the first season basically correct, and

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:52.080
<v Speaker 1>it was not doing you know what it eventually became

0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:55.479
<v Speaker 1>until he popped her in same thing with Melrose Place.

0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:59.480
<v Speaker 1>What's interesting here though, is you're at the height of

0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:05.520
<v Speaker 1>ra But maybe just him knowing his what he had

0:57:05.560 --> 0:57:09.000
<v Speaker 1>done in the past, he just went with that formula,

0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:12.040
<v Speaker 1>even though it wasn't to like boost the ratings. He

0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.040
<v Speaker 1>was just like, Okay, I lost a character. I'm going

0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 1>to insert a villain, a villain ish right.

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:21.479
<v Speaker 2>If Brenda hadn't left, maybe this wouldn't have happened. Maybe

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:26.240
<v Speaker 2>a villain wouldn't have been inserted in season five. We

0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:28.080
<v Speaker 2>don't know, we don't know, We'll never know.

0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Never know. It just doesn't feel like the show to me,

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean the show that I love, and I think

0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 3>that that's like part of like, you know, the demise

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:44.480
<v Speaker 3>that the beginning of the turn. Yeah, yeah, because it

0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 3>does turn at some point does and things kind of

0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:49.520
<v Speaker 3>fall apart jump.

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.960
<v Speaker 1>By seven, we're kind of jumping jumping the shark. I think.

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I think through six we're still sort of like doing

0:57:57.200 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty good. But then around so I think who leaves first? Luke? Oh,

0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. That starts to get like I think

0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it was Brandon Jason leaves first. I can't remember. But

0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:18.560
<v Speaker 1>that's yeah, I'm still in it for now, but I'm not.

0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all that said, I still love the show. I

0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:27.680
<v Speaker 3>do enjoy the what Valerie's doing mixing things up, but

0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.400
<v Speaker 3>there's something deep inside of me that doesn't feel comfy

0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:30.960
<v Speaker 3>with it. You know.

0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good word to say.

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:37.680
<v Speaker 3>But I'm not giving up on this show. No, it's

0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:42.640
<v Speaker 3>just getting good. It's getting all like it's juicy Bruin,

0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 3>storm of Bruin, It's.

0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Juicy with Kelly, even though I'm like sick of it. Yeah,

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Finley's a freak, but I'm like, I like it. Valerie's

0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a nightmare, but I like it. And then I can't

0:58:56.480 --> 0:59:00.200
<v Speaker 1>help it. But the Andrea Peter thing is like so

0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:03.480
<v Speaker 1>messed up, and yet I'm like Dame nipping my tea.

0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Give me more, I.

0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Know, but I feel bad for Jesse.

0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Good you're supposed to yeah, perfect, well, well that person

0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:11.720
<v Speaker 2>well written.

0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:17.000
<v Speaker 3>We're doing good. And that's that's an episode. Yeah.

0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:20.040
<v Speaker 2>The next episode one stormy Weather.

0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be a good one. And we can watch

0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Stormy Weather on Paramount Plus.

0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good in the back of the closet.

0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I can go back and watching it on my phone,

0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:34.600
<v Speaker 2>like I enjoyed. Thank you.

0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh this is so good. I feel much better what

0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:43.640
<v Speaker 3>this out? Oh? Ten ten me too. I'm on the

0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:44.560
<v Speaker 3>ten train.

0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Every time. That good. That makes me so happy. Yeah.

0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:54.439
<v Speaker 3>So uh, let's see what happens next week.

0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I love you guys.

0:59:55.960 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 3>Bye,