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Speaker 1: It's nine O Gen one with Jenny Garth and Tory spelling.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we are, another week, another episode.

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Speaker 3: You told me last week to not say that very sentence,

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Speaker 3: and you were going to.

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Speaker 2: Give me a new word. Give me a list, give

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Speaker 2: me you like list, Give me a list. Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: That sounds good for you. Go Hey guys, hey guys business.

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Speaker 2: I know I had to readdress that because I think

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Speaker 2: we should just roll into it hot.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, we were just having the most fascinating

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Speaker 3: conversation about mister Clean's magic sponge eraser. It was like

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Speaker 3: Jenny fascinating, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: What I want to say, Salary sucks?

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Speaker 3: Okay, loud and clear for everybody to hear. You got

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Speaker 3: a problem with that?

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Speaker 2: Wow, she's fired up and not afraid of the comments

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Speaker 2: this week? Okay, Okay, So you guys, this is season five,

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Speaker 2: episode twenty. You gotta have heart? Do you nah? Overrated?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: Oh god?

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Speaker 3: This this one aired February eighth, You guys, nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: five again right on track with you know, I r

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Speaker 3: L was it.

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Speaker 2: We're just so on point.

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Speaker 3: Wait, you're right, Okay, we watched I watched mine on

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Speaker 3: Dvdame did say.

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Speaker 1: Game, And is that because of Jade? I would have

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Speaker 1: just cut the performance.

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Speaker 2: Oh is that why? And every other one was.

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Speaker 3: So disappointed that I didn't get to see Jamie Walters sing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: ok oh, this will be the one where I get

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Speaker 3: to see him sing.

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Speaker 1: I felt the same Jenny, I have the same thought,

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Speaker 1: and I couldn't figure out, like, is Jade literally the

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Speaker 1: only reason it's on DVD? I would have just cut

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Speaker 1: the performance because I would have not watching it on

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Speaker 1: a tiny screen in kind of bad quality. It was

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Speaker 1: not my favorite, okay?

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Speaker 2: Synopsis. Professor Finley forces Kelly to make a massive decision

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Speaker 2: about her future with Brandon. Donna gets suspicious when rey

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Speaker 2: Go's missing thanks to shady Valerie Malone. Oh that's a

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Speaker 2: bad name, Valerie Malone. She had it coming to her

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Speaker 2: from the beginning. Poor thing a lot to overcome. Andrea

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Speaker 2: meets Peter's chatty wife Steve Book's girl group Jade for

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Speaker 2: the telethon, and Dylan reluctantly agrees to talk some sense

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Speaker 2: into Kelly Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Directed by Gilbert M. Shilton, Written by Max Eisenberg. I'll

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Speaker 3: say that again. Written by Max Eisenberg.

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Speaker 1: It's so juicy?

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Speaker 3: Who Dad? This is a good episode. It's Eisenberg. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, not sure.

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Speaker 1: I hope none of you are going to be reflexive

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Speaker 1: or negators about this episode, because, first of all, it

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Speaker 1: was so good. What a good episode. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: my city bitty. I might as well watch it on

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Speaker 1: my cell phone. My DVD thing was so small.

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Speaker 3: My daughter and her boyfriend were watching it with me,

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Speaker 3: and she was like, when did the show get so soapy?

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Speaker 3: I was like, just now, like.

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Speaker 2: SuDS it up, baby, listen. I usually watched the episode

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Speaker 2: on my cell phone, so this was like huge for me.

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Speaker 2: This was like a massive movie screen.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you watch these episodes on your cell phone.

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's so good on my big screen. That's why

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Speaker 1: I was a little sad. I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: do that. Wait, Jenny, are we gonna go through it

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Speaker 1: in order like you did last time?

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Speaker 3: What do you want? What do you guys want? What

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Speaker 3: are the people?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Have they commented?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Has anyone said anything? If they like, like when we

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Speaker 3: You would think at season five we would have this

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Speaker 2: But why we're still We.

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Speaker 3: Like to like, yeah, we like to keep things fresh.

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Speaker 3: You never know.

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Speaker 1: I like whatever you all want and is so good.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about some trivial moments because this

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Speaker 3: was the best episode ever and it's because we got

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Speaker 3: to see your dad.

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Speaker 1: And it's sort of an iconic clip that I've seen.

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Speaker 3: Over and yes, talking about the cameo with Aaron Spelling

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Speaker 2: He thinks it's Jade's Lemo. He's looking opens up. Can

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Speaker 2: I help you?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god? It was so given my pipe everything.

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Speaker 2: And I heard word that it was done in one take.

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Speaker 3: Well, hit, your dad's an actor. He knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Does it make you happy to see that?

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Speaker 2: And remember God, I bet yeah, all the pipe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was so when I saw him. I was

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Speaker 3: so happy for you to be seeing him like that

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Speaker 3: made me so happy and that.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, obviously I saw my dad get older,

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Speaker 2: and I've seen photos of him younger, but that is

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Speaker 2: how I remember him always.

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Speaker 3: Like the quintessential.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to ask you that.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, did your dad always look

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Speaker 1: like that because that is in my mind he looked

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Speaker 1: the image.

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Speaker 2: Almost kind of except you wore track suits a lot.

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Speaker 2: Loved his blore tracksuits.

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Speaker 3: That's what I wear.

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Speaker 3: I love him even more for that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's crazy, that's your dad. Like, that's guys you're.

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Speaker 2: Feel used to wear Fela. It's not easy to.

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Speaker 3: Me because you remind me so much of him, Like

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Speaker 3: that that's so bizarre. Did you? Yeah, you just remind

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Speaker 3: attack you sure are? Okay? So also, as Amy mentioned,

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Speaker 3: Jade was an actual girl group from the nineties. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and they had a big hit apparently. I didn't remember

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember working with them. We weren't there were

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Speaker 3: Then, Oh, this is a good one, Jim. They they

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Speaker 3: moving out right, and he mentions as she's moving out,

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Speaker 3: he said, he mentions Heidie Flies. Oh yeah, do you

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Speaker 3: guys know who Heidi Flies? I mean, I know you

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Speaker 2: Very prominent Hollywood madam.

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Speaker 1: Yes, also the sister of Mike Flyes who created The Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: So Heidie fly got arrested right because it was illegal,

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Speaker 3: That was riveting. Remember when that was going down, everybody

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Speaker 2: Wow, that was like, yeah, that was like a me

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Speaker 3: That was like yep, And they knew she was getting

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Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen was a big one, right and now I.

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Speaker 1: Think she raises birds. But I don't want to be

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Speaker 3: That's a nice transition for her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she might. And she wanted to kind of.

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Speaker 1: Let me make sure. And she went on to be

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Speaker 3: Yep, Wow, what kind of birds they meet? McCall's or finches?

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Speaker 3: In fact, I'm not going to rest until I know

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Speaker 2: Birds, birds, birds and interesting.

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Speaker 3: Well we'll come back to that.

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Speaker 3: Nat also brings in a cultural reference Jim Jones. He says,

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Speaker 3: is a cult leader who led his followers to commit

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Speaker 3: I guess he's comparing that to sort of what Brandon's

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Speaker 3: where thank God for Nat. He basically gets it, you know,

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Speaker 3: if it weren't for Matt, Mom's gone. She's not in

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Speaker 2: He really was always a father figure.

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Speaker 3: You guys, we have breaking news what right now? Yes,

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Speaker 3: Heidi Flice raises mccaws. Wow, now not Hooker's no longer

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Speaker 2: Bird business from Madam to McCaw's. That works a small

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's you want to get into the episode?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, what do you guys want to talk

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Speaker 1: Maybe talk to bottom?

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's do it. You want to start on top

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Speaker 3: to bottom. We start at the telethon and Brandon is

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Speaker 3: trying to get a hold of Kelly. Oh yeah, he's trying.

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Speaker 1: She was really yeah, she's really kind of been sucked

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Speaker 3: This is a telethon for the for the pediatric Heart

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Speaker 3: Foundation of some kind. So that's a really admirable thing

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Speaker 2: You gotta have heartt of have it's.

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Speaker 1: Wait before that? Do we open on the scene with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're talking like as if he just played. But

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Speaker 3: again we don't get to see him.

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Speaker 1: We don't see that I did put a little bit

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Speaker 1: then he wants you to spend the night, and then

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Speaker 1: he says, come on, I know you want to How

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Speaker 1: can I catch up when I'm this close? And I

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Speaker 3: Wait, that's later, Am I going out of order?

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Speaker 1: I just didn't like how he's like, I know you

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Speaker 3: Right, right? So Brandon calls Kelly right and yes, and

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Speaker 1: Was first refuddled, where am I? What mansion is this? I?

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Speaker 1: I think did you catch Brandon also saying to the

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Speaker 3: So my question in this area was, does Kelly know

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Speaker 2: She's just referring like you were with Emily, like during fire,

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Speaker 3: So you're right. It might be not that she thinks more.

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Speaker 3: But she's still just really upset that he wasn't there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be true.

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Speaker 3: And so maybe she's working all this out in this

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Speaker 1: And when she says you're my own worst limitter, she's

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Speaker 3: M hm. So a limitter is like somebody who doesn't

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Speaker 3: it's you limits you from your.

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Speaker 3: We should start using that word.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody pleas to go through and write down all

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Speaker 2: Because they're kind of good.

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Speaker 1: So we go to the telethon. We're kind of there.

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Speaker 3: My notes say why is Brandon? Why are Brandon Donna kissing?

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Speaker 1: It's not yet. First he has to realize she's bailing,

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Speaker 3: Okay, you go pick it up for this part.

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Speaker 1: So simultaneously we realize that Brandon is calling Kelly from

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We don't quite get to the makeout of the

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Speaker 3: Oh for the sorority house. It was like a big

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Speaker 1: We're kind of learning like, oh, Kelly's sort of shirking

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Speaker 2: Interesting and they kind of delate you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it just was Claire. He didn't want

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Speaker 3: What, so, tell us do you remember the the the

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 3: No, you nothing was pent up. You just had a

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about real life right now. That was a

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Speaker 2: little I'm talking about real life right now. You guys

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Speaker 3: You're pent up?

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Speaker 2: Got it, We're both pent up.

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Speaker 1: He's living vicariously through Donna.

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Speaker 2: I am Brandon aka Jason and Donna aka Tory.

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Speaker 3: We're pentas.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we got a moment here. I always wonder what

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Speaker 1: Like behind the scenes at this point.

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Speaker 3: Nah, okay, so not at this point talking about Donna, Brandon, Kelly,

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Speaker 1: I was like, that is an amazing kiss. But it

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Speaker 1: It was weird.

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Speaker 2: It was out of context because Jason and I were

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't the director be like, Okay, guys, that looked amazing,

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Speaker 1: bit flirty for her best friend's boyfriend. And then he says,

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00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: you can do it for the rest of your life,

447
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: like he's obviously all bitter, but he's not broken up

448
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: with Kelly.

449
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: So it's at the hospital scene when they came to

450
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 2: see Dylan and Donna was just like caressing Brandon's leg

451
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 2: to consult. Do you remember this, you guys. And I

452
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: was like, I was like, I called it out. I

453
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: was like, that was a little like she's just like

454
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: rubbing his leg. And I was like, there's moments, you

455
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: guys if you look back where you're like, yeah, at much.

456
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: From from not just from you too. But that was

457
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: across the board. We are all very very very very

458
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: very very familiar with each other, and there were not

459
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: a lot of boundaries.

460
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: And it crossed over into characters. Sometimes it would be

461
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: like whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah, fair, let's move on.

462
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: Yes, are you going to go to the Welsh house now? Yep?

463
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 3: Exactly right, Thank goodness, Okay, this is This is good

464
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 3: because we talked last week week about how Jim clearly

465
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: doesn't have good feelings for Val. We really see that

466
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 3: in this scene because VAL's moving out now that she's

467
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 3: so rich. I don't know how she's affording all this ship.

468
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: But she has journey, it's already gone, her car, her yeah,

469
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: her clothes, her new hotel life. But he he does

470
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: not like her, and he thinks that she is going

471
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 3: to be back in two weeks weeks.

472
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 2: Right.

473
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 3: I felt like it was a very Aco taco scene,

474
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 3: Like I felt so uncomfy. Yeah, yeah, he hates her.

475
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: He's like, she doesn't understand the value of anything.

476
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 5: Shedy, I've never seen like a parent's parents on a

477
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 5: show like this be that like against one of the

478
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 5: main people.

479
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: Like it just doesn't it's weird, it's so wrong. But

480
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: they I'm telling you there's some bad story here, but

481
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: willing to ever say it because they don't.

482
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: So it's like something it's fun to watch. I love

483
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 3: watching Jim have like an attitude about something, getting his

484
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: little harry chest all riled up.

485
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You know he's like.

486
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: His hairs were like.

487
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: His alpha hairs, but he's finally in alpha because he's

488
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: not real.

489
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: Spitter about her. You would think he'd be happy to

490
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: get her out of the house.

491
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's something hot about it.

492
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: Cindy's more worried Colin Dylan about it, but Jim is

493
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: just done with Valerie.

494
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: Then we go to Ray's mom's house where she is

495
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: so happy about her crews and she is living for Donna,

496
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: loving Donna and really wants Ray to not screw this up.

497
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

498
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: Correct, And it's shocking in my opinion that she tells

499
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: him to just go find it elsewhere.

500
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 3: Well, he he You know, it was nice the way

501
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: he was kind of talking to his mom. I felt

502
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: like that was a good thing. And he tells her

503
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: about his sexual frustration and she does. She tells him

504
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: go find it somewhere else, but don't but be careful

505
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: about it. Be discreet, discreet and safe, which is like

506
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: like maybe.

507
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: Not finding one of the friend group, like maybe someone else.

508
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: But okay, thank you toy exactly.

509
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. At first I was like, Okay, this is good

510
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: sound advice from a mom. And then all of a sudden,

511
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, I don't like that.

512
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: Well the mom should have said be super happy for

513
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: what you have and wait wait yeah, it's not going

514
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 1: to kill you, right, just be patient. You don't like

515
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: the mom basically tells him to go cheat on her.

516
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: I was like, missus.

517
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: Plan like that, Yeah, but that's kind of like on

518
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: par for her.

519
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: That's kind of yeah. I do have one scene right

520
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: before that that I just want to make note of

521
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: because it's important. It's where Nat and Brandon talk about

522
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: cults and that Susie French with the buzz cut her

523
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: sister was in a cult, and he kind of starts

524
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: to indicate to Brandon this is not good.

525
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to Yeah, he's like the first

526
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: red flag, like for Brandon to be like, wait, I

527
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: really maybe you need to do something about this.

528
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, really yes.

529
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's where I was like, thank God for Nat.

530
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah totally, and that is making it all personal and

531
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: it's like take that out of it. Something's wrong, which good.

532
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: Okay. So then we get a glimpse into Valeries beautiful

533
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: new hotel digs yep. Have you ever seen an uglier

534
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: hotel room?

535
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: What is the Bellami Hotel?

536
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: Does it pretend? It's kind of the famous pretend hotel

537
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: where Jack mchaela.

538
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that that It looks very familiar.

539
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: Oh I thought it was for some reason. I thought

540
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: Jack lived at the Bellage.

541
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 3: Why does Dylan go there to visit her?

542
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: Why is he wearing a suit?

543
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: Because it's the new him. I can't stand his wardrobe

544
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: this season and it gets worse. It's gonna keep going.

545
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: It's very mature, I know, and I don't want it.

546
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: I just was so frustrated by the fact that the

547
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: money does not add up unless she's regularly working for Jonesy.

548
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: The money does not add up.

549
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: And is done trying to help her or is he

550
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: trying to insult her?

551
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit of both.

552
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: Like I don't get his motives. I don't get her motives.

553
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: They just talk from the book of weird sayings. Don't

554
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: you to ruin this for me and get so far

555
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: out there that you can't find your way back? Like

556
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: it's just like, what are these people?

557
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's confusing. Oh, but then we go back to

558
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: the new evolution.

559
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: Oh and Brandon's there, uh huh. And then and Finley

560
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: calls Kelly a tease, which I.

561
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: Was like, what for not being honest with Brandon?

562
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: Finally sucks too. Oh yeah, and you're really throwing the

563
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: lingo out. You're being a negator, Brandon, And like he's trying,

564
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: and she's just very sucked in, and he sort of

565
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: tries to acknowledge her like post traumatic stress, which I

566
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: thought was kind of ahead of its time. Then I

567
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: sort of realized that, and then she just.

568
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: Is like, yeah, I just don't I just don't like

569
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: it that she's there by herself, she has no support

570
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: from Donna or Andrea or can you pushed them away? Yeah?

571
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: It just feels the storyline is not feeling good.

572
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: I have a question though, Like Donna, yeah, you pushed

573
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: her away, but like, would she just go away?

574
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: Not really?

575
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean they have a separate relationship. That's

576
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: kind of hmm. She's in baby, in marriage and cheating

577
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: land and so you know.

578
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: But but if your best friend was like all of

579
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: a sudden, m i A all the time, not coming

580
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: through her commitments, not treating her boyfriend who she loves well,

581
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: her best friend would be like, hey, what's going on,

582
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: or let's hang out or you know, try to be

583
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: more connected with her to try to find out what's

584
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: going on.

585
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a miss.

586
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, I agree with you. Yeah, she would

587
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: be kind of there with Brandon. It wouldn't be taking

588
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: this so lightly.

589
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: Unless it was a phone call maybe, And like Ray

590
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: was playing in the background, so they had to cut that.

591
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. Donn is like, I'd like to see you.

592
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: Where are you? So they just cut the whole scene.

593
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

594
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: I thought she was going to break up with him,

595
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: but this is where he says, I love you, You're

596
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: my best friend, and she doesn't break up with.

597
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: Him, right. I thought that scene was so I was

598
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: captivated by that scene because I didn't know what was

599
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: going to happen at the end of it for once,

600
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: and I felt like that was some of my favorite

601
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: acting that I've seen Jason or Brandon or whatever do.

602
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: He just felt so genuine and like he was really

603
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: in love with this girl, h and he was. He

604
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: wanted to put it all on the line, and she

605
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: you can tell she's so in love with him too,

606
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: but she's just caught up in this situation. But she can't.

607
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: You're right, she couldn't break it off. That is just

608
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: so good.

609
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: But I'm really hung up on the fact that you

610
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: said that you didn't know what was going to happen

611
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: at the end of the scene for once.

612
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: Sorry, I got to go back to that.

613
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: Good call, Good call. I pretty much.

614
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: Never watching this for the first time. Yeah, that scene

615
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: was really good, which is why later in the episode

616
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: I sort of was like, what's happening, But we'll get

617
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: to that because this scene was very real. Crazy see

618
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: that he's not abusive, he's very supportive. He's even though

619
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: she's hurting him, he's so loving and like, I'll leave

620
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: it that's what you want.

621
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: But I'm mature for a guy. In the twenties.

622
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's really handling it well point and somehow

623
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: he convinces her to leave with him. Yeah, back to.

624
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: Real seems normal, yea. Yeah, back at that they're posing

625
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: in the heart and the whole thing.

626
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was crushing on Brandon in that.

627
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

628
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: But first we have what I put called craziest scene

629
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: of the episode, Andrea and Jesse fighting and bumping into

630
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Peter and his wife, and I was just like, oh

631
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: my god.

632
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: And then they go have there. Then they want to

633
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: go hang out. They go to the movie together.

634
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all sitting at a table, I mean, the

635
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: whole thing. And then and is it called a furtive glance?

636
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: Andrea and Peter are exchanging a furtive glances? I was that,

637
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: doesn't that mean it's sort of like what I think

638
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: it's called a furtive glance, which is like would have

639
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: I think if you r t I V It's like,

640
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: I think that's the right word. That the right word

641
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: furtive attempting to avoid notice or attention, typically because of

642
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: guilt or belief that discovery would lead to trouble. Secretive.

643
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: WHOA, right they had that look the face was WHOA?

644
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: That was awesome.

645
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: That hole to do just had me shook because.

646
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: Are they going to be swingers?

647
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: And then we get the call back later and then

648
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: the hands on the table and they touched the hands

649
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: they can't.

650
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: And then and the wife is kind of fun.

651
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: Oh no, she's not.

652
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: Do you think if the wife wasn't so chatty, the

653
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: four of them would have all hooked up. I don't know.

654
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 3: I also think that's a possibility that that could happen.

655
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: But she, I could just see her husband is like,

656
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: shut the you know what. Yeah, it was talking for

657
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: just one second.

658
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: She's obviously like in the fashion industry or something, and

659
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: she's real spouty about all the things. I don't know.

660
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: Jesse seemed to be enjoying it, and then Andrea.

661
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: Was just like Jenny given, Yeah, I think some swapping

662
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: coming up.

663
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: But important note is if you remember what Andrea says

664
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: to Jesse the movie she wanted to see. That's why

665
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: the phone call later from Peter is like, because he

666
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: refers to a scene in the movie she wanted to

667
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: see as opposed to or maybe the movie they're seeing.

668
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: They had that conversation.

669
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, rock movie.

670
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: So if I can remember this, but I'm messing it up.

671
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: When Andrea and Jesse are fighting, they're sort of talking

672
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: about they were gonna go see Rocky, but instead they're

673
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: seeing the movie you know whatever, some lovey movie and

674
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: the movie what's whatever they're seeing? I can't remember. I

675
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: have to like, I don't remember what it's called. That's

676
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: when Peter has the fantasy of them. It's from the

677
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: movie Andrea wanted, which I think is the one maybe

678
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: they end up seeing as opposed to what Jesse wanted

679
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: to see. There's all kind of like signs of like, oh,

680
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: Peter's really like gets.

681
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: Her wait a movie if fred is Stare and Ginger.

682
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: Rogers, Oh yes, yes, yes.

683
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: He's fair to remember. No, that wasn't it.

684
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: Wait what I think?

685
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: You're all close? You're close? Vor you got it like

686
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: it was all that kind of jazz.

687
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: But I feel like I know why they're they're linked together.

688
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: It's because they have the same exact hair. Dude, did

689
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: you guys notice what I kept cutting back and forth

690
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 3: and like pausing it and be like his hair looks

691
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: exactly like her hair. This is why they love each other.

692
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: Same color, same poof Go back to the telephone for

693
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: a second. Okay, did you put see the part where

694
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: David is on stage and he's introducing or thanking the

695
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: comedian the yes, did you feel like his hair and

696
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 3: was like way too low on her to be like I.

697
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: Wasn't looking at his hand. I missed that and I

698
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: live for that kind of stuff. I was two sideways

699
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: on Claire's.

700
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: Pants, but we were talking about handsy. He was being

701
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: handy with his handsy.

702
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: Ah, her pants.

703
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: Claire's pants were like which pants which part? Black shiny shiny, shiny,

704
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: shiny leathery leggings like like like a yellow umbrella coat

705
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: in black, remember the old just like if you were

706
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: wearing like oh, they were like a very y yes.

707
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: I was like, ain't nothing wrong with a little latex.

708
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: Before we move on to I think it was creepy

709
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: the whole like Jesse Andrea Peter the wife Adrian. I

710
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: was like, this is crazy.

711
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: I'd like something interesting to have happened there, but I

712
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: don't think anything.

713
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? The call at the end,

714
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: he's all flirty with her and she's all into it.

715
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: I would like a little bit of like, you know,

716
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: the whole drama with Amy Roeback Nandrew Shoe, you know,

717
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: how they're they swapped. Basically, I want to see some

718
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: of that action.

719
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind seeing that, but it's not gonna happen,

720
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: is it.

721
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too too busy. You're too busy talking about

722
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: what the freak is val doing making the moves on Ray?

723
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: What is that motive? What is this about? Just to

724
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: break up Donna and Ray? What is it? Because she's broken?

725
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: Yes, so she wants to break them up because it's

726
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: just just fun for her.

727
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all.

728
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything else.

729
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: I spent my entire shower this morning thinking about Valerie

730
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: and her motives.

731
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: Well that's creepy.

732
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I don't know what to say about that.

733
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: It's like burns with me because I got so many

734
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: comments being like you don't like Tiffany, and I'm like,

735
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: I love Tiffany, but Valerie.

736
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: Sucks and I don't know it does don't.

737
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: See that first of all. But when she turned on

738
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: the lights of the truck, I was like, that's actually evil,

739
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: Like what is she doing? I was like, she sucks?

740
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: Then she fully it's not even like oh they had

741
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: an attraction, Like.

742
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: Maybe she's just saying do you want to go you

743
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: know what, full.

744
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: After him to be mean. She is doing it to

745
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: be mean.

746
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what though, he just really hopped in

747
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: that truck that's a little too fast for me.

748
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: Well just get it somewhere else. So he's like terrible too.

749
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: I also thought it was weird that he says, I'll

750
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: call you later. Why why are you gonna call her later? What?

751
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: And he says it multiple.

752
00:39:54,600 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: Times, but Donna sees them having their furtive looks. Re

753
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: furtive looks.

754
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: It looks it was just really good, mean a Valerie.

755
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: What didn't you expect?

756
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to call therapists and be like, what is

757
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: her deal? And it's because I this is what I've

758
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: come up with, Tory, Jenny, you tell me if I'm right. Okay,

759
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: she doesn't believe she's worthy of her own love. She's

760
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: so broken that that's why she takes Dylan, who was

761
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: like basically with someone else. Now she's going after it

762
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: because it's like she doesn't really feel worthy of like

763
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: her own right relations.

764
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: Just back in the day at one point when her

765
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: and Jim had a fling, he just didn't make her

766
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: feel worthy. So now it's just it's repeating over and

767
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 2: over until she feels worthy again.

768
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: It's just she is a messy, messy character. It's just

769
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: so mean. It's very dark what she does. And then

770
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: the whole like three hundred dollars like now she's just.

771
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: Flex Oh that's gross.

772
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: Oh she's so sad inside. I can't stand it.

773
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: I know she took the little Virgin's boyfriend.

774
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the next morning, Donna calls Ray's house

775
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: and Ray's mom covers for him and says he, uh,

776
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: he had already left for the morning.

777
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: And also Ray sucks. He sucks.

778
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just sucks.

779
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: Because why her. He can have any girl he wants,

780
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: So like Valerie's doing it to be mean. She doesn't

781
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: feel worthy, okay, and she's just mean. It's just plain

782
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: and simple, cut and dry.

783
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: She's hot though, like she's hot.

784
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: She's hot.

785
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: Ray could pick another girl, so that that's more calculated,

786
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: not calculated, it's just.

787
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: It's more not thought out. It's more like impetuous. So

788
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: but I have a need, let me fulfill it.

789
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 2: But be a little smart. If he wants to keep Donna,

790
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: he should be a little smarter and just go get

791
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: some two bit hooker from Heidi Flies. There you go,

792
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: now those are expensive. He couldn't afford it because his mom.

793
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: It's brew it with one tea because his mom couldn't

794
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: afford too. Definitely can't afford Heidi flies.

795
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: How about he just waits for Donna.

796
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he loves her, he loves he loves her.

797
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: If he loves her, his mama, his mama told him,

798
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: like what he.

799
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: Can just he he's broken too, totally, Yeah, these are

800
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: two broken people. It was.

801
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: It definitely stuck with me. I was like, I'm not.

802
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: Oh, clearly if you're thinking about it in your shower.

803
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: I watched it yesterday. I watched him yesterday, and it

804
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: was still with me this morning. And I also was

805
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: like just so torn because I don't I don't like it.

806
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: That being said, do I like it on the show?

807
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: Is also what I was analyzing, Like when people tell

808
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: me like, oh I love Valerie, Okay, do you actually

809
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: love Valerie or do you enjoy watching her antics?

810
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: Because there is a difference. Yeah, well here, let me

811
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: really break this down for you. The only reason like Ray,

812
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 2: I think Ray would have picked somebody else. The only

813
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: reason he did go with Valerie is well, that's boring.

814
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: If we see him and a coach star guest star

815
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: that goes away. We need to have two main characters together,

816
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: so it's just the writers. It's it's simple.

817
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: Gray's fall, it's Lucas she's defending.

818
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 2: Of course.

819
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 3: Did you think how cute Brandon looked when he was

820
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: wrapped in the blanket though, and you and Donna was

821
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: talking to him in the hallway?

822
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: But is it that cold?

823
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 3: It must have been.

824
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: I just thought it was cute, Like it looks very horrible.

825
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: It should have been a BFF blanket.

826
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, so he's wearing the blanket, then I have

827
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: a flag on the play.

828
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: Okay, it was a little unhinged that he went blanket.

829
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: Her being gone to him just let ten Cray busting in.

830
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: It was like, how did you know? She just wasn't

831
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: getting coffee? Like he just went full tilt nuts.

832
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 3: I kind of liked it, but it didn't feel very

833
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: characteristic for Brandon, like he would have been a little

834
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: bit more together. Let's see, let's see how this is

835
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: playing out before.

836
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: Huge chops in this one.

837
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: He did and it was an entrance.

838
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: What an entrance and yet awkward that Finley is giving

839
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: coaching to you while I'm yeah, while Kelly's talking to

840
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: him very bizarre.

841
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 3: And telling her what to do.

842
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: We loved Gil Shilton, we loved him, but the director,

843
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: the director, sorry, but it's clear from different things like

844
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: the kiss, like the scene with Brandon.

845
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: That he's just like, do whatever you guys want.

846
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: What you guys want. I'm not directing this.

847
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just be over here.

848
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 2: I'll just do you know what I mean.

849
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: He's like, we still, we really did need somebody to he.

850
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: Just wrangleds that didn't quite make sit work right.

851
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: It's so true. What an what a good call out.

852
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: That's really true.

853
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: But we loved him.

854
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: He was he was our friend. So this is a

855
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: scene where Kelly breaks up with Brandon in front of everybody,

856
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: and that was rough. I didn't like watching that, I know,

857
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: but there's that they're broken up.

858
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I mean it was rough everyone. A

859
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: couple of questions too, for you guys before this, logistically

860
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: and financially, nothing makes sense because how Valerie is paying

861
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: for all these things, and how clear went to the

862
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 1: beach apartment and was going to shower and be back

863
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: on stage at the peach Pit in fifteen.

864
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, they lost us when they

865
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: lived at the beach and they get like, it's come

866
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: on the beach.

867
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: To Beverly Hills at best I minutes.

868
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: You guys have to let this stuff go because there

869
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: is to.

870
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: Pick on Wilshire and they're in Santa Monica and it's

871
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: a straight shot to the peak.

872
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: About it, I was like, he's going to be thinking

873
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: about the hitter shower tomorrow.

874
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I literally wrote on my notes.

875
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: We think about me in the shower tomorrow. I'm a shallow.

876
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 3: Steve.

877
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: Also, can we call out very minor in these last

878
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: few episodes? I had a little more in this one.

879
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: Do you think he was fired up about that?

880
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he got the scene with Aaron

881
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: your dad, so that was legit. But he three or

882
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: four tiny little moments in this.

883
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes me nervous. My PTSD is flaring up.

884
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about?

885
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm breaking out nip.

886
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: B H night onto and out that day. Is that

887
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 2: what you're talking about? No number.

888
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: And that?

889
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: Remember that all of it.

890
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: Screen and then we sort of have the performance by Jade. Okay,

891
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: well yeah, I was like I could have cut that

892
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: to get it on my big screen. No problem. Same. Yeah,

893
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: I didn't need it me either.

894
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: But this is where we see Donna confront Ray is

895
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: about why is part what what where were you last night?

896
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: And wait? Why was your truck parked outside all night?

897
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: I thought she had a little bit too much information

898
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: for the little information she actually had.

899
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: What.

900
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: No, she saw his truck was there when she went

901
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: to leave, correct, but.

902
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: Like a mom oh there he goes in his truck

903
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: or he's gone, Like I don't know, I don't know.

904
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: She's jumping to conclusions.

905
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: Or did she know? And she was just leading the witness.

906
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: Leading the witness maybe so oh I love that tactic.

907
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, because she's the best one.

908
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: And then we see Brandon go and ask Dylan to

909
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: help him with Kelly.

910
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: Who could possibly get through to her? Who do? Like

911
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: immediately you're like, who could it could be?

912
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: Oh? Her act she's still in love with cool let

913
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: me go there.

914
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, great idea. Let me let me bring him into this.

915
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: Also those two.

916
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: Because he knows, he knows that year we'll live with Dylan.

917
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: So correct.

918
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: They are not friends. They are not friends. They're rude

919
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: to each other.

920
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just mad in this episode about the

921
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: way they're letting Donna be be done wrong like this

922
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: in the ease and the level of fake that I

923
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: get watching from val like it just gives me, like

924
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: it takes away my hope in all sisterhood and women

925
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: for women, like it just really rocks me on a

926
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: deep level of like, don't trust women because they're like this.

927
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: Well, she's not their friend. But Valerie is not their friend.

928
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 3: No, she's not. Well, she does try to be their friends,

929
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: she wants.

930
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: To be their friend, but she's not a friend. She's

931
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: really evil.

932
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: But this is actually very real though, because this does exist.

933
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: While there is sisterhood and there is empowerment and women's stick, there.

934
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: Are people that are this manipulative and fake.

935
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: But there are not. All women are great, they're just not.

936
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: What does the word maniacal mean? That's the word that

937
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: keeps coming in my head.

938
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: Maniacal.

939
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 3: She's so planned, it's calculated, It's yeah, but I think

940
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: maniacal is more like manic.

941
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: Maniacal exhibiting extreme, wild or violent behavior. Magantic, that's not

942
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: what it is, Okay. What is the right word to

943
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: describe Valerie?

944
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: Militious?

945
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: A compulsive, she has like behavioral disorder, she has like

946
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 3: some need to lie.

947
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you're writing it off like we can

948
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: be like, oh, she has something, so do you know

949
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: what I mean? What if she can some people? What

950
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: if she's just a bad prad.

951
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: To the bone, She's bad to the bone. Yeah.

952
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: Now I am torn in the sense that I am

953
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: hate watching Valerie. I'm enjoying how terrible she is.

954
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 3: I don't, I'm not. I'm kind of like it's so much,

955
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: it's so good.

956
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: You don't like her, like right, like Jenny knowing you,

957
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: you're more like bothered by it.

958
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm bothered by it, like how could somebody be this

959
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 3: calculated and manipulative and fake?

960
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: Where I'm like, she sucks. I can't wait to see

961
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: what she does next week.

962
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: Same, Yeah, she sucks.

963
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: I think because I love all the the main characters

964
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: so much, and at this point we've all seen their flaws,

965
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: we all know what their weakness is there, and they're

966
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: what they're dealing with as humans, and we still love

967
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: them because there's something about each of these characters that

968
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: no matter how far they go off the deepen or what, like,

969
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 3: We're still gonna love David after he has this drug thing.

970
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: We're still gonna love Kelly after she great gets out

971
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: of the cult. But there's nothing redeeming whatsoever in any

972
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: fiber of this character.

973
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, good right, So perhaps it's planned that way, yes,

974
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: but that is that is an absolute departure from what

975
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: the show was originally about.

976
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: Well, and in this very episode, Andrea is essentially.

977
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: Well at the midpoint, doing.

978
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: The same thing as Valerie being a cheater. Right now,

979
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: Valerie's We're still okay with her, but I'm sort of like,

980
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: I love her. Why is she doing this?

981
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: David's drug issue?

982
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: He cheated on Donna and we still we still.

983
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: Love him, Yeah, and we've forgiven him, and she's letting

984
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: him date her friend. It's very strange.

985
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: So either this is this is either the departure and

986
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: this is where it just started to get really soapy

987
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: and they used started using devices like this, you want

988
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: to say, to manipulate the audience. No, I'm not gonna

989
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: say that. That's not yet. Or it's a miss in

990
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: that they didn't develop this character well enough to give

991
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: her enough complexity for the audience to love to hate her.

992
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: But you know, love to hate her.

993
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: But I wonder if it was purpose. Yeah, I don't know.

994
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: I don't know, either way it works. But it's just

995
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: like when you're looking at it and you're looking at

996
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 3: the show as a whole, and here we are halfway

997
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: through the run of the show.

998
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, David and Andrea and et cetera, all

999
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: y'all can be redeemed, where it's harder to redeem Valerie

1000
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: because it's just.

1001
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's just Valerie moving forward. I

1002
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 3: think it's like there are a bunch of new characters

1003
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: that are going to start to come on, and yeah,

1004
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 3: you kind of care about them, but you don't really

1005
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: care about them like you do the main you know,

1006
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: core og cast.

1007
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 2: There's nothing like the OG that's okay.

1008
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: Well, which is interesting because in Gray's Anatomy, Yeah, there

1009
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: are new characters that I care about as much as

1010
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: I cared about the original characters.

1011
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: It's the writing. It's the writing, it's the character. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1012
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: I think there were there started to become a lot

1013
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 3: of moving parts on the show, so many storylines and

1014
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: so many things that they were trying to do that

1015
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe they started to you know, I'm

1016
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: still in it.

1017
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: It has not jumped at the shark ye anyway, I'm

1018
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: still completely in because essentially we're only missing one of

1019
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: the core characters at this point, Jess Brenda. We're getting

1020
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: these randos, but like I'm still fully in.

1021
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just weird because this is a

1022
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 3: cast member.

1023
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: Now.

1024
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: This isn't like a guest star that comes in like

1025
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 3: Ariel right, who we hate her but she goes away

1026
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: in the next lesson. This is somebody that we see

1027
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 3: week after week after week doing making these horrible choices

1028
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 3: and doing these terrible things to the people that we love.

1029
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 3: And it's just really hard to like, I just am

1030
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: having trouble understanding why they're doing this to me o villain.

1031
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: We now have a villain on this show where people

1032
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: made mistakes before, but none of the characters were a villain.

1033
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 3: And that for me, is where the show it's split.

1034
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 3: It's splitting for sure, in just like what the show

1035
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: is and the and the message of it.

1036
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: But what if, like take her out of it, it

1037
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 2: couldn't have gone on the way it was going, because

1038
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: why not?

1039
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: It was going great? It was, but there was no

1040
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: reason to bring in.

1041
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: So you have to change things up sometimes and change art.

1042
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: I understand, but what but like I said before, like

1043
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: why not have it just be a guest star that's

1044
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: there for three episodes, or I feel like by including

1045
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: this villain into the main cast the opening credits, no

1046
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: offense against Tiffany whatsoever. This has nothing to do with

1047
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: my feelings about anything real. This is just about me watching, Like,

1048
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 3: why are they asking me as a as a fan

1049
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 3: of the show, super fan of the show. Yes, I'm

1050
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 3: a super fan of the show. Why are they asking

1051
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 3: me to accept this girl into my opening credits of

1052
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 3: the show, and like, pretend like she's one of the gang,

1053
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: but then watch her do these evil, devious things. She's

1054
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 3: everybody that I.

1055
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to tell you the reason right now,

1056
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: because it historically notoriously worked for every spelling.

1057
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: Exactly like this is the Carrington whatever, Donna.

1058
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: Right, Amanda, this is it worked and it worked every time.

1059
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 2: So at this point he's like, and it was.

1060
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: Kind of what your dad did to reject inject a

1061
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: boost into a show that was struggling because Dynasty Joan

1062
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: Collins was not in the first season basically correct, and

1063
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: it was not doing you know what it eventually became

1064
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 1: until he popped her in same thing with Melrose Place.

1065
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: What's interesting here though, is you're at the height of

1066
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: ra But maybe just him knowing his what he had

1067
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: done in the past, he just went with that formula,

1068
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't to like boost the ratings. He

1069
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, I lost a character. I'm going

1070
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: to insert a villain, a villain ish right.

1071
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,479
Speaker 2: If Brenda hadn't left, maybe this wouldn't have happened. Maybe

1072
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: a villain wouldn't have been inserted in season five. We

1073
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: don't know, we don't know, We'll never know.

1074
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 3: Never know. It just doesn't feel like the show to me,

1075
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: I mean the show that I love, and I think

1076
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: that that's like part of like, you know, the demise

1077
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 3: that the beginning of the turn. Yeah, yeah, because it

1078
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: does turn at some point does and things kind of

1079
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: fall apart jump.

1080
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: By seven, we're kind of jumping jumping the shark. I think.

1081
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: I think through six we're still sort of like doing

1082
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: pretty good. But then around so I think who leaves first? Luke? Oh,

1083
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: I can't remember. That starts to get like I think

1084
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: it was Brandon Jason leaves first. I can't remember. But

1085
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I'm still in it for now, but I'm not.

1086
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, all that said, I still love the show. I

1087
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: do enjoy the what Valerie's doing mixing things up, but

1088
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: there's something deep inside of me that doesn't feel comfy

1089
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 3: with it. You know.

1090
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good word to say.

1091
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: But I'm not giving up on this show. No, it's

1092
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: just getting good. It's getting all like it's juicy Bruin,

1093
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 3: storm of Bruin, It's.

1094
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: Juicy with Kelly, even though I'm like sick of it. Yeah,

1095
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: Finley's a freak, but I'm like, I like it. Valerie's

1096
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: a nightmare, but I like it. And then I can't

1097
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: help it. But the Andrea Peter thing is like so

1098
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: messed up, and yet I'm like Dame nipping my tea.

1099
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: Give me more, I.

1100
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: Know, but I feel bad for Jesse.

1101
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: Good you're supposed to yeah, perfect, well, well that person

1102
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: well written.

1103
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: We're doing good. And that's that's an episode. Yeah.

1104
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: The next episode one stormy Weather.

1105
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a good one. And we can watch

1106
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: Stormy Weather on Paramount Plus.

1107
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: Okay, good in the back of the closet.

1108
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: I can go back and watching it on my phone,

1109
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: like I enjoyed. Thank you.

1110
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: Oh this is so good. I feel much better what

1111
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: this out? Oh? Ten ten me too. I'm on the

1112
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: ten train.

1113
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: Every time. That good. That makes me so happy. Yeah.

1114
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,439
Speaker 3: So uh, let's see what happens next week.

1115
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: I love you guys.

1116
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 3: Bye,