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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's just unbearable for fans. Welcome into

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Speaker 1: North Side Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm Sahadev

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Speaker 1: Sharma with my co host Patrick Mooney. We cover the

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Speaker 1: Cubs for you over at the Athletic. We're here for

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Speaker 1: your Cubs therapy. This is another loss emblematic of everything

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure that's soon. Maybe maybe you guys can

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Speaker 1: go enjoy the Blackhawks. At least they seem like they're

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Speaker 1: they're on the rise and they have their superstar to

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Speaker 1: two issues seemed to kind of be you know, it's

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Speaker 2: Again on Monday. Patrick.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many times you and I have

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Speaker 2: But you can't do this. You have to.

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Speaker 1: You have to cash in those opportunities. Otherwise you're putting

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Speaker 2: And we didn't even see Hector Nairis.

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Speaker 2: In a save situation, and the Cubs still lose.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was only a week ago we

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Speaker 3: you know that's what I'd ask them postgame, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean we shouldn't even talk about buying

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Speaker 1: But it's and and Jed is probably under pressure to

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Speaker 2: Right, if you're always if you're whatever it is, if you're.

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Speaker 3: Always about every free agent, you'll finish third every time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. And you can say that about

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Speaker 1: It may feel like it's irrational, and it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: Right, So I'd like to see that happen.

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Speaker 1: I think we're quickly learning some things about this team that, uh,

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Speaker 4: They keep they are in them.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, at a certain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean this is a good Like I

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Speaker 2: They can get this guy.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, it's just it's the immovable force

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Speaker 1: whatever these two teams are, but it's a it is

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Speaker 1: like these two fan bases are probably in very similar

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Speaker 1: And that has to be maddening for these teams, uh,

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Speaker 1: for these fan bases to watch. Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, Patrick, but I'm getting sick of talking about

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Speaker 1: switch this up, because this is this is boring. Uh,

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Speaker 4: We'll have.

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Speaker 3: I think our plan is this week kind of a

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Speaker 3: sending out the mailbag signal to try and get some

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Speaker 3: So well, we'll try not to keep repeating ourselves. But

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Speaker 3: the Cubs, like I wrote, they keep finding different ways

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Speaker 3: to lose, so we will find different ways to talk

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Speaker 3: about them losing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking forward to chatting some more on this and

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Speaker 1: getting some thoughts from fans. I know you guys, you

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Speaker 1: know we'll give your outlet to event. I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: have plenty to rant about. We'll we'll get right back

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Speaker 1: at it soon enough. I'm Sahadef Sharma. That's Patrick Mooney.

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Speaker 1: a Cubs team until they turn it around or until they.

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