1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, October fifteenth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode 8 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: number sixty four. Welcome to another edition of The Break. 9 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: We are live from the s w DC Mortgage Studios 10 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: at the Star and it is a Tuesday, so we're 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: going big picture today. I've got a ton of questions 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: for these guys. We're going to hit a lot of 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: different topics and hopefully we'll get to some questions from 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: you guys. You can call us the numbers eight eight 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: eight eight five five to two nine seven. You can 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: also hit us on Twitter at Derek Eagleton. I'll take 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: your questions that way. And again, we just want to 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: give you guys a big picture look at this team 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: coming off another loss now at three and three, facing 20 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: a probably the biggest division threat that they have this week, 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: and then heading into a buy so very very very 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: very critical game. We'll get into a little bit more 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: about that game tomorrow and Thursday, but sup, big picture today, 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: how's everybody feeling good? Feel good? Thanks us. Let's jump 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: right in. I have probably about I don't know about 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: seven or eight questions here, and they're gonna be on 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: a range of different topics. Obviously a lot of them 28 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: have to do with problems, because right now, when you 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: go three and three and you've lost the last three 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: in a row, there are lots of problems. So let's 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: start first with this question. What has been the biggest 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: or the bigger offensive problem wide receivers not getting open 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: or dropping the ball, or offensive line not blocking well. 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say offensive line not blocking well 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: because you know, and there's reasons for that. We know 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: that you don't have to sit there and you know, 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: talk about that. But yeah, I would say the offensive 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: line has been a struggle whether or not there were 39 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: one hundred percent healthy or the guys that are healthy 40 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: are not black and well, I would say that, and 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: I think that stems too. If you can't create the 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: gaps for Elliott or even Polar whoever is in, then 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: you start going to the receivers. I mean, that's obviously 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: it's a problem in and of itself since they can't catch. 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: But I'd agree, I think the offensive line has not 46 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: been what it needs to be. And we've talked for 47 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: how many weeks about the drop off between your starting 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: tackles who are out Tyren Smith and Lyle Collins with 49 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: Brandon Iden cam Fleming. However, that can't just be an 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: excuse every team. You have to have depth and you 51 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: have to learn to adjust, and something's not working to 52 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: Nick's point, and I think Derek brought it up yesterday. 53 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: And obviously the problem with the tackles being healthy, but 54 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, the interior hasn't played well. Connor Williams has 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: had his growing pains throughout the season. Travis, Frederick and Martin. 56 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: I think the Jets game is a second game this 57 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: season where they didn't seem like they played a very 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: good game, the Saints game being the other one. I mean, 59 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: we all know Zach is dealing with with a back 60 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: injury of his own, but yeah, to quote de Marcus Lawrence, 61 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: nobody cares. But yeah, they haven't. They haven't played up 62 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: to that standard they think they probably they did for 63 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: those first three games, which you know, look at the 64 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: competition and that might help explain it. At this point, 65 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: based upon what you've seen, you've seen, would you move 66 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: forward with putting Xavier Suafilo in in place of Connor Williams. Well, 67 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that you were not on the 68 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: show last week or two weeks ago when I said that, 69 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: So I missed a show. Yeah, I think so I'm 70 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: part of a show. Yeah, Nick did say that. I 71 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: feel like I've said that a lot. So when you're 72 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: all in on that, I'm all in. I'm all in 73 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: because I just feel like he is a stronger player 74 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: physically stronger to do that. And last time they put 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: him in against the Eagles, I mean he kind of 76 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: handled Fletcher Cox as well as you can. So I 77 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: think that, Uh, I think it would be good, especially 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: with the situations that they have on the outside and 79 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: all that. I think he's he's a he's a good 80 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: veteran player, and I think this is it would be needed. 81 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: Just trying to go off of previous years when things 82 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: weren't going well, I think they would they were going 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: to do that and do it during the bye week. 84 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: If Connor Williams struggles again, in this game, and he 85 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: might with Fletcher Cox being on that defense. Would you do? 86 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: That's what they did, right, That's what they did. So 87 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: they did last year redskin game. He was not good 88 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: Connor Williams and bye week, yeah, well they they they 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: fired Paul Alexander and kind of switched things up. And 90 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that Connor didn't get benched. 91 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: He got hurt, right, but and they just didn't get 92 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: his job back. They've made personnel moves during the bye 93 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: week like that before. What I mean, you can go 94 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: all the way back to fifteen when they benched Brandon 95 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: Whedon for Castle et C. What would I do? I 96 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not an offensive line expert by any means. 97 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: I that it feels convenient to be like, well that's 98 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: that's the problem, and that'll that'll fix it, and don't 99 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: give me probably just I'm not pouring everything to corner. 100 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: There's a lot of problems on this team, in particularly 101 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line. But my point though is, I guess 102 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: what I'm asking you is is his play if you 103 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: just take his play by itself, knowing that you have 104 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: another guy like Xaviers to a fellow who you've seen 105 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: play and you feel like he's a pretty good player. 106 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: Do you think there's an upgrade in moving Xavier into 107 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: the starting lineup over Connor? I know, we I mean, 108 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: he did play well against the Eagles, but he played 109 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: several games last year and they weren't all beautiful. Like 110 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, if if he was like this pro bowler 111 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: sitting back there, maybe I'd feel differently. But no, I 112 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: think I'm I'll roll forward with it and hopefully you 113 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: get tiring back for this game or you certainly expect 114 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: you would get him back after the bye week. And yeah, 115 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel super strongly about that. Ny. 116 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: That was kind of my thought. I was when I 117 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: if you get tiring back. Is this as much of 118 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: a discussion as people are thinking about, right? Are we 119 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: just more focusing You're seeing Connor Williams and you're expecting 120 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: him to step up more since Tyring is out? I 121 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I guess maybe, I mean, 122 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: he's obviously Suaphilo is practicing, and but maybe you do 123 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: try more in the you know, those those first team reps. 124 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: I just think that when what you saw from you know, 125 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: the third and short fourth you know, fourth and short. 126 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: I just feel like that that he gives you a 127 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: little bit more, He gives you a lot more strength 128 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: at there because I remember Connor was a tackle that's 129 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: moved to guard. I don't think that Suphilo has ever 130 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: been anything more than an interior player. So um. I 131 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: know it wasn't perfect last year, but I mean, you know, 132 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: he just happened to be in the starting lineup for 133 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: that last you know run of seven out of eight games, 134 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: and you know, Cooper was probably the bigger reason for 135 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: the offensive turnaround, but I think he helped. I do. 136 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: I do think he helped in there. And I get it. 137 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: It seems like it's you're you're just picking on one 138 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: guy to be like, well, you're the problem, you know, 139 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: But but when you look at across the board guys 140 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: that aren't playing well, and then who's behind him, drop 141 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: off between Dak and Cooper. I'm not a rush I'm 142 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: not saying that that's the problem, but I'm just saying 143 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: drop offs between the backup and that I think that's 144 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: the closest one on the entire team because Suaphilo, you know, 145 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: basically didn't give him his job back last year. Son 146 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: Connor Sufilo, I think is the closest backup to the 147 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: starter on any spot on the team. From that standpoint, 148 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,559 Speaker 1: is it fair to at least ask the question about 149 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: the center and whether your backup can give you maybe 150 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: more than what you're getting from Travis Rage I'm talking 151 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: about Joli. Yeah, it's fair. That's that's that's fair. But um, 152 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like Dave said, I'm not an offensive 153 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: line expert on that one. Well, that is I think 154 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: that's in terms of in terms of like watching I mean, 155 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: we have access to NFL Game Pass. You can go 156 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: watch the All twenty two and get an idea of 157 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: what's going on. It's very hard to evaluate that if 158 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: you haven't played it or coached it or you know, 159 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, broad Us has a lot of leeway to 160 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: speak on that with not just his scouting experience but 161 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: his spirits playing offensive line, you can do your best like, oh, well, 162 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: you know he got beat or but you don't know 163 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: the protections, you don't know what each guy's a simon 164 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: is And I just I mean Connor and I said 165 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: it at the top of the show. I don't think 166 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: Zach and Travis played very well in that game, but 167 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not ready to say like that, is 168 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: this just like blinking red light about why they're losing 169 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: these games and they've got to do something drastic. I'm 170 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: just I'm just not all the way there. I think, honestly, 171 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: I'd rather they just stop trying to run into unfavorable looks, 172 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: like how about they do that instead. I don't think 173 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: we realized to have the importance of the Amari Cooper 174 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: injury in that game. I mean, yeah, they lost the game. 175 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: I don't think they lose the game if Cooper is 176 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: not hurt, and I don't think it's really that close. Okay, well, 177 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: then let's I just think Amari Cooper being out for 178 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: that particular game I think was a fourteen to seventeen 179 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: point difference, that they probably win the game by two touchdowns. 180 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: I believe that. Okay, so let's take this. This is 181 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: your next question. You set this up perfectly. Which player 182 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: is more critical to the Cowboys offensive success? Mary Cooper 183 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: or Tyron Smith. Honestly, the answer has been Tyron for years, 184 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: and I feel stupid saying it's probably a Mari Cooper, 185 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: but I think it probably is because who backed him. 186 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: Up eleven. I mean you wind up trying to make 187 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: it work with Michael Gallup, Cedric Wilson and Tavon Austin. 188 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean Tavon Austin was playing outside for a pretty 189 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: big chunk of that game, and we saw the difference there. 190 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: He can make some plays if he gets lined up right, 191 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: and that's that's That's not really a knock on him. 192 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: He's not really that type of guy. He's an inside 193 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: guy that those guys make mistakes when they're out there 194 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: that they're not lining up on the right spot cost 195 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: them a big play in the game. I think when 196 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: you're talking about drop offs between the starter and the backup, 197 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: I think Amari Cooper to Cedric Wilson is a bigger 198 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: drop off than Tyron Smith to Cam Fleming. As weird 199 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: as that sounds, I'll go to my grave and it's 200 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: just like, the offensive tackle play is not why they 201 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: lost the Packers or the Jets. I'm not saying those 202 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: guys played great. I mean, you know that there was 203 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: a big dispute on Talking Cowboys yesterday about Dak getting 204 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: hit like Dak took a lot of those shots, extending 205 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: plays outside of the pocket, like It's not like he 206 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: just had two, in particular two of the biggest hit 207 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: tablet outside the pocket. Yeah, it's not like he had 208 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: no time to throw and there were just got I mean, 209 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: go watch at lant At twenty seventeen if you want 210 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: to see what that looks like. I don't think this 211 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: was that well. And again, sorry, but he saw the 212 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: Jets do it all day, like, get the ball out 213 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: of his hand faster, help your tackles. I don't like, 214 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, the old do what we do thing like. 215 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys could be better at adjusting their 216 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: play calls to suit who's on the field for them. 217 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: But I think drop off in the passing game is 218 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: pretty severe without Amari Cooper and especially I mean Michael Gallop. 219 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: And you know, I gotta give Amber credit. She called 220 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: out the receivers last week. I didn't think it was 221 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: justified based on what we had seen to that point, 222 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: but it was an ironic twist of faith that the 223 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: first time Gallup was called upon to be more without 224 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Cooper in there, he wasn't up to it, and that 225 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: only kind of highlighted the problem. So if you told 226 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: me I could have one of the two for this game. 227 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: I think I'd rather have Cooper than tying me too, Yeah, adn't. Yeah, 228 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: I agree, And I think we've seen that, I mean, 229 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: last year without Cooper and you get so excited and 230 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: we see such great things from Gallop and he even 231 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: said he's like, it's on me. He's in locker room 232 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: yesterday he goes, I had three passes I should have 233 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: had and I don't know what you do differently. He 234 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: didn't really have an answer in terms of how you 235 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: execute better. But there is a big drop off and 236 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: he's the guy and he did not perform, and Cedric 237 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Wilson did not set up the way he need to. 238 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: We saw some good plays from Tavon, but there just 239 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: wasn't enough. And if you know, if we're going to 240 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: talk about the injuries, I think that if if you 241 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: had to tell me, you know, make a bet on 242 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: which player is going to be able to play in 243 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: the game, I would say Tyrant Smith over Amari Cooper. 244 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: Doesn't look like Amara he's gonna play. And I'm basing 245 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: that off of the fact that he had no shot 246 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: of coming back in that game, Like he wasn't trying, 247 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: he wasn't he was just sitting there. I know he 248 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: was in a lot of pain, but he was just 249 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: sitting there. It wasn't close to coming back. I just 250 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: have a hard time thinking then he's going to be 251 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: able to be back for this game. Yeah with the 252 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: bye week sitting there and doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't. I 253 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: don't feel good about it on Tuesday. But real quick 254 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: about that, we've seen this free years one of the 255 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: bye weeks there. It's so much easier to just rest 256 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: the guy one more game and knowing that that's there 257 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: and they cannot do that. They if these guys are 258 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: healthy to play, they got to play. It's the biggest 259 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: game of the year. I will say this, I think 260 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: a lot of their problems offensively originate on the offensive line. 261 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the things we've seen, particularly 262 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: in the last three games, have been issues at start 263 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 1: at the offensive line. Other guys have their hand in, 264 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: and but I think it starts with the offensive on 265 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: The problem is and goes to what you guys are 266 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: saying here. Last year, the Cowboys were not doing very 267 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: well until they got Amari Cooper and then everything changed. Essentially, 268 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: if you don't have Amari Cooper in this offense, you're 269 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: going back to that this wide receiver by committee that's 270 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: proven not to work with the current set of players. 271 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's there yet. They looked a 272 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: lot better in this game against the Jets than they 273 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: did during those lean games before a Cooper got there. 274 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: I differ. I disagree with that. I think I think offensively, 275 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: particularly in the first set, like they were they were 276 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: having a hard time getting any kind of rhythm going. 277 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: It was because they didn't have reliable catches like there 278 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: were there were opportunities there, but they didn't have anybody 279 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: stepping up to make the player. Don't get me wrong, 280 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: they obviously didn't play well, but like it's a testament 281 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: to how atrocious they were against Carolina in Seattle early 282 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: last season. Like that looked better than what we saw 283 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: in twenty eight. And I think both those teams probably 284 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: I would guess, are a little bit better or a 285 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: little bit better last year than what the Jets are 286 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: this year. Why would deposit And I mean, based on 287 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: what we've seen, I don't expect the Cowboys to take 288 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: advantage of it, based on what we've seen in the 289 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: last three weeks, But the Eagles might have the worst 290 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: secondary in the league, and we can get into that. 291 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: I'll see if they can. If the Cowboys can't take 292 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: advantage of that, let's take our first break. We come back. 293 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: I have some more questions. We'll talk a big picture 294 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: Cowboys when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys 295 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: dot Com Radio. 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Back to the break 331 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: Back second segment of the show, live from the SWBC 332 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios at the start, Dick, what you got for us? Well, 333 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: I do have a watch party that the Cowboys have 334 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: already scheduled here for November the twenty Fourth's on the Sunday. 335 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: It's an a festive game day atmosphere at the Testido's 336 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: Championship pose at the Star in Frisco. So the Cowboys 337 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: will take on the New England Patriots. Danny, I know 338 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: you will be. You were out there before. I was 339 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: for the Washington game. 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I'm just saying like, 349 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: as you said that, I was like, Oh, that's just 350 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: one more problem. That's just lingering out there. That'll be 351 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: a problem we deal with later. Um. All right, so 352 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: let's go back. Another question for you guys. This next 353 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: question is what is the what has been the bigger 354 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: defensive problem for this team? Pass rush coverage or run defense, Collie. 355 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: The fact that that there's been a seven second pause 356 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: tells you that everyone love thinking, Yeah, it's all of them, 357 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: and then they all kind of got to pick one. 358 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna say tackling, because if you have 359 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: to fix one, if you have to fix, pick fix one. 360 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: Which one do you think gives you the better chance 361 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: to fix the others? Pass rush? Pass rush to me 362 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: gives you you can I mean, if you get after 363 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: his ass back there, then you can do a lot 364 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: of things. Your coverage looks a lot even more than 365 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: run defense has their coverage with the exception of this 366 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: past game, like in the other five, was their coverage awful? 367 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: I would say the last two. I would say in 368 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: the last two they've probably had some issues in coverage. 369 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: I mean green Bay they scored a lot of points 370 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: in and some of that. I mean, they You're right, 371 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: they didn't get just destroyed. I've just seen some and 372 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: Rogers finished with two thirty eight and needed three or 373 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: four really Rogers esque throws to make it happen. You know, 374 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: I said it. I said it after that game. I 375 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: was like, that's gonna happen when you play him asked 376 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: the fricking pack the Lions about that. I mean, did 377 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: you see him last night? Yeah. One of the reasons 378 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: why I probably have a weird opinion about the secondary 379 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: with regards to the Packards game is because they're pack 380 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: They're tackling. Was also a part of the problem, yes, 381 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: and so I think I'm kind of equating that just 382 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: to the secondary in general. But you're right, from a 383 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: PAS defense standpoint, that wasn't the issue of that game 384 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: the first part. Cheeto Cheeto had a rough first half 385 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: against DeVante Parker against the Dolphin, But in general, it 386 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: has not been a week to week thing where I'm like, man, 387 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: this this still hasn't played up. I don't think Kedo 388 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: has played up to expectations as far as I'm concerned. 389 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: Nobody Robert Quinn is the only guy who's maybe Malik 390 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: Collins who's fitting that bill. I don't think the run 391 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: defense has been to the point where it's the biggest problem. Yeah, 392 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: the page of the Packers, they got after him, Aaron 393 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, you know, But I still think a lot 394 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: of that had to do with with how they were 395 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: trying to to, you know, try to get Aaron Rodgers 396 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: and the and the Packers have a great offensive line, 397 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: and they caught him and they gassed him, and you know, 398 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: and with with a big lead like that, they were 399 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: able to keep running the ball. But I think for 400 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: the most part, going up against Kamara, going up against 401 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: Levon Bell, I think the run defense has been okay, 402 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: not I think the biggest problem is the past rush. 403 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: They're just not getting there the past rush. I don't 404 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: think the run defense has been that good. All things 405 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: across that are all all that good. Say Quan did 406 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: his thing, They were really good against Kamara. Say Quan 407 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: did his thing. The jet well what no, they I 408 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: don't know what they haven't been that the pass rush. 409 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: I'm the guy that sits here every week and defends 410 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence, and I don't think he deserves as 411 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: much criticism as he's gotten. But man, all through training camp, 412 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: you're talking about Lawrence, you're talking about Quinn, you're talking 413 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: about Malik, and you know, we went on and on 414 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: about how, you know, the guys that they cut off 415 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: of this defensive line, we're going to be better than 416 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: the guys playing on a lot of other teams, and 417 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: it hasn't looked that way. I was singing that same thought. 418 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: I was like, I've been sitting here saying Quinn, he 419 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: doesn't need all this criticism. He's being double teamed. But 420 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: at some point, I mean Lawrence, Lawrence, yeah, sorry, yeah, 421 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: and so but at this point, we're six games in. 422 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: You have to find a way to start adjusting to 423 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: that and finding a way to get things done. They've 424 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: missed a healthy Tyrone Crawford. I mean he isn't he's 425 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: not healthy, but they they've missed that, you know, And 426 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: I think that him out there, he's one of those players. 427 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: And I know the fans don't really you know, think 428 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: he's all that good. But but the fact he is, 429 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: I mean, he's maybe his contracts really you know, it 430 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: used to be a really big contract. Now it's probably yeah, 431 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: it's not even that crazy anymore. But but the fact 432 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: that that he provides past rush and run stopping ability 433 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: from the defensive end position is is I think in 434 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: an underrated part of his game. It really is. And 435 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: him not being healthy for these last you know, you 436 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: just missed some games and then he's been back for 437 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: two and hasn't really been very impactful. Um. I'm telling you, though. 438 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you talked about calls that were missed. 439 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: I mean that I talked to him yesterday. One of 440 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: the biggest calls that that that ref's missed in that 441 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: game was the fact that he got punched in the 442 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: back of the head on a third down um or 443 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: from the goal line. That would have been that would 444 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: have really been a big play in the game. Um. 445 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny that guy must have not 446 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: seen that video. And that's been because I mean, punching 447 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford in the head like that, it's not really 448 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: the smart move, but whatever worked out worked out for 449 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: him for that time. He I mean right in the 450 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: middle of everybody. I mean, I saw it. I said 451 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: it to you and and I saw it on the replay. 452 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, yeah, I will say 453 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: which I guess the way you worded the question doesn't 454 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 1: afford me to give this answer. But even having just 455 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: said what I said about the pass rush, like, if 456 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: you could pick anything to be disappointed about in terms 457 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: of preseason expectations, and right now, it's probably the play 458 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: of Layton vander esh and Jaalin Smith. Well, we're gonna 459 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: get to that. I got a question for on that. 460 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: I'm kind a question for you on that. All right, 461 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: let's go to this next question. Though this may take 462 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the show, so feel free to go 463 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: as long as you want on this so far, How 464 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: does Kellen Moore's offense compare to Scott len hands better, worse? 465 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: The same which game we're talking about, we're talking about 466 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: the season as all of all of them pull it 467 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: all together, It's still better. It's still better at number 468 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: one in the league going into this game. I mean 469 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: it still probably is because again, like they had, they 470 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: put up four hundred yards of offense in this game. Yeah, 471 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: I think it's And that's kind that goes back to 472 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: my point is like throw on the tape of the 473 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: first Seattle game last year or the season opener against 474 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: Carolina if you need a refresher of just how bad 475 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: it was, Because I promise now. But MARII Cooper. I mean, 476 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: like the thing about it is is we talked about 477 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper being so much, you know, helping this offense 478 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: so much. I mean, I think you have to look 479 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: at the last eight games for Scott Lanahan in the 480 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: first you know, let's say eight games, when when he 481 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: gets eight games and then and then kind of look 482 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: at it, I think it's closer to the same. I like, 483 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: I like this offense better though, I think just because 484 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: I think he's got a better quarterback than he had 485 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: last year. I mean just I think Dak is just 486 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: improving to the point I think he's better. I think 487 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: this he's getting a little bit more production out of 488 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: the tight end spot this year because Witten, you know, 489 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: Witten's not what he was, but he's still you know, 490 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: he's still out there, he's still making some plays. And 491 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: I just think they're they're a little bit better. But 492 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: the red zone numbers what what? What is the red 493 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: zone they it's been cut in half since the losing 494 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: streaks started, Like they were insane in the red zone 495 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: and it's honestly, which good question. I'm still I'm still 496 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: annoyed by the whole well, Garrett's telling Kellen Moore what 497 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: to do thing, and we kind of talked about that yesterday. 498 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: There's there's no way to know that, but and it 499 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: cropped up after the Saints game. It sort of it 500 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: wasn't really talked about last week or the Packers week 501 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: because the game got out of hand. But like, I 502 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: don't know, how different has it looked to you in 503 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: these let's just say Jets and Saints, Like, how different 504 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: has it looked to you from what they were trying 505 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: to do, Because like all the fun stuff we saw 506 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: in the first three weeks has felt lacking. And I 507 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 1: wonder if I wonder if some of that is because 508 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: the games got away from them. I wonder if some 509 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 1: of that is against lesser opponents, maybe they feel freer 510 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: to try different things than against really good teams that 511 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: they feel like, hey, every possession matters, so we gotta 512 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: be more conservative. I don't know what it is, but 513 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: you're right, it feels to me, at least, it feels 514 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: like the way that they call the first three games 515 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: it's different than the way they call it the last three. 516 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: I want I want to point this out too. I 517 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: hear this a lot about well you know, the score, 518 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, was kind of they were behind the eight 519 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: ball there, the game got away from them. Whatever, you know, 520 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: they're getting down seventeen. He had to change. Just remember 521 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: that one of the reasons why the game got away 522 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: from him any team is because of the offense. You know, 523 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: like I think we forget that a lot. It's like, well, 524 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: they got down by seventeen. They got down to seventeen 525 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: because he didn't do anything in the first quarter or 526 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: for you know, so the Packer game got away from 527 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: them because they couldn't do anything. They were you know, 528 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I understand why things changed, but the first 529 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: part of the game and some of the Jets Cowboys, 530 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: they're the reason why the game is getting away from them. 531 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 1: I agree with you in general principle. I think in 532 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: this game it was a bit different because the decisions 533 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: they made before the game, particularly with the wide receiver 534 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: position and who was active and inactive. That became apparent 535 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: very quickly because Amari goes out quick. And now, as 536 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: they talked about after the game, now they're running twelve 537 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: personnel a lot more than they probably would have gone 538 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: into that game expecting they would, and that does change 539 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: things when you now have two tight ends on the 540 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: field as opposed to three wide receivers. That drastically changes 541 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do with your offense. So I agree 542 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: with you generally, Yes, that's the case. But I think 543 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: it changed so much with Mari going out this game. 544 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: I think it really left him in a really bad situation. 545 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: For the record, Jason Garrett said yesterday that they really 546 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: they weren't anticipating that that was something that they were 547 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: going to have to deal with, Like they you know, 548 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: they didn't put him somebody's injury. Yeah, Mars. They didn't 549 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: put Devin Smith down thinking that a Mark Cooper might 550 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: only get a handful of plays. And if they, I 551 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: would have suspect they would have known that it would 552 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: have because completely different. But they didn't, Right, Yeah, No, 553 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: that that's sorry, That's that's a good point. I mean, 554 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: they ran a crazy amount of twelve personnel, but I 555 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: mean Marie Cooper, no, Marie Cooper seventeen runs on first 556 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: down out of twenty four opportunities. Yeah, bothers me. 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Here, I got one that's gonna 601 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: really start the pot a little bit. Let's talk about 602 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: the linebacker position. Should Sean Lee or Joe thom Must 603 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: be starting over Jalen Smith and or Layton Vandersche. Let's 604 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: start with you, Danny. What do your opinions are? I 605 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: think at this point I would start Lee. I would 606 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: I think we haven't seen any one. That is the 607 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: key part. Yeah, that sounds good. Now now one let's 608 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: go well he was starting over Laton at the beginning 609 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: of last year. Anyway, Yeah, I just okay, you haven't 610 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: You haven't seen enough of them and your best linebacker 611 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: when they're on the field, shn Lee? Okay, whose second 612 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: i'd want? Fifty five? I think it's Layton. Okay, Yeah, 613 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: I think Layton's at some moments when it wasn't isn't great, 614 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: But I think he's had more good moments than Jaylen 615 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: Ass personally. See this is where the whole You know, 616 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: they love to tell you the NFL's like a meritocracy, 617 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: but it's not always true true, and you know that's 618 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: not true. Is Jason Garrett really gonna risk whatever comes 619 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: with benching a defensive captain who's, you know, one of 620 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: the de facto leaders of the Hot Boys and is 621 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: kind of one of the public faces of this defense. 622 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: I don't really buy it. I will say this though, 623 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: the way that they play those guys, they don't necessarily 624 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: have to bench him. They can just start and they 625 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: can keep the starters the way they are and they 626 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: just start playing and they can do They've well, they've 627 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: already done it like we I mean, you know, Jalen 628 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: has gotten taken out for series throughout play accounts like 629 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: how many plays they're each getting. I can pull up 630 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: the packet. I haven't looked at it. If Smith Smith 631 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: got benched, it would set the NFL record for fewest 632 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: days between press conference and demoded. That's another thing too, 633 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, don't you think, no doubt it would 634 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: definitely be It would be headline news. But I'm right now, 635 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: when you're on a three game skid. I think you're 636 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: way more concerned about getting wins than all the extra 637 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: stuff around it, in my opinion. Yeah, and if you 638 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: feel like there's a player that's not getting that is 639 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: playing well, okay, and a player that's not playing as well, 640 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: I think that all things are fair game. Okay. Here's 641 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: another thing. Ezekiel Elliott great running back, right, What if 642 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: you put him at wide receiver? Would he be great? No, 643 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: he's not. He's a running back, So quit trying to 644 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: make Jalen Smith a defensive tackle and rush him against 645 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: the guard. That's not what he does. He's a linebacker 646 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: that needs to he's he needs those big boys up 647 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: front so he can run around. He's not one of them. 648 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: So I don't think he needs to be playing on 649 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: the defensive line and trying to rush and all that stuff. 650 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean, put him in position where he can do 651 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: he can sort of rush off the edge a little bit. 652 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: But it's got two saxes, you're right, I mean one 653 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: of them. Um. I'm not saying he wasn't a big play, 654 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: but I mean Carrie Hyder had Bridgewater out and he 655 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of cleaned it up. But but him against the 656 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: defensive tackles. I don't like that play at all. I 657 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: don't like I don't like those little guys up there 658 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: because because that's not where mismatches are. You know, I 659 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: mean you don't. You don't. You can run a forty 660 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: yard dash and you can beat a guard all day, 661 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: but when you're right there in space, they get their 662 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: hands on him, they can't do anything. But I'm in 663 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: a place to be successful. I'd be more in favor. 664 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: I guess of more rotation and put Shawn Lee in there, 665 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: and it's yeah, Jalen is playing eighty six percent of 666 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: the snaps right now. Layton's at ninety, Shawn Lee's at 667 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: thirty five, Joe Thomas is at twenty one. Yeah, I'm 668 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: up in that on Sean quite a bit. Yeah, yeah, 669 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Sean played even a little but well, so they played 670 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: sixty two defensive snaps against the Jets. Sean played thirty seven, 671 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: so he's up closer to fifty fifty percent. Jalen played 672 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: forty nine, which I can't do that math in my 673 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: head because I'm dumb, But forty nine out of sixty 674 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: two here I have a cvity that's boom. Look at 675 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: seventy nine that's gonna say it close to eighty. But anyway, 676 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: we go, oh, oh are you? I mean, first, I 677 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: kind of I kind of feel the same way, honestly, 678 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: and maybe maybe I'm just I don't know, maybe I'm 679 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: being an apologist, like i'd honestly, I'd rather just let 680 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: him play through it, like you know baseball. You think 681 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: they're going to play through it? Yes, I do. There, 682 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean what you're saying. Jerry Jones's thing is always 683 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: it's like if you've seen a guy do it once, 684 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: you know he can do it. But I mean, okay, 685 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: get how to play football. You guys have watched him play. 686 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: You can say that about showing no and that's true. 687 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with giving him more snaps. 688 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm just I wouldn't quote. They used to say this 689 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: all the time about linebackers. You have three to play 690 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: two spots. Maybe it's you know, four to have two 691 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: spots now, But but maybe that's what they need to do. 692 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: They don't just need to like call press conference and 693 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: just bench the guys, but just rotating defensively do it. 694 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: I paid twenty one million a year for DeMarcus you know, Lawrence, 695 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: and he rotates with Kerry Hyders no matter the down 696 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: like down distanced. That's what they need to do. That's 697 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: that is like you're not gonna bench anybody because of 698 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: all the ramifications and and you know, keeping team morale, 699 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: but you rotate them more if you want to. And yeah, 700 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: Shaun Lee is a great player. He's played like he's deserving. 701 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that, but like I'm 702 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: not benching people. And on top of that, like I 703 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: don't know, they're they're good players. And when a you know, 704 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: Mike Trout doesn't have slumps because he's incredible, but like 705 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: if he did baseball, you just keep You're just like 706 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: just keep getting up there and you'll work through it. 707 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: Like that's that's what's important mentally. Yeah, yeah, And I 708 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: agree with you generally, and I actually think that applies 709 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: a little more for Layton in my opinion. But I'll 710 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: ask you, guys, what have you seen from Jalen Because 711 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: I know Nick, you and I have talked about in 712 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: the press box. Sarah plays he just doesn't look right, 713 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: and he looks like he's lumbering out there. That way, 714 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: he agree with you, he is lumbering out there, and 715 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: so my question becomes, is that just my mind planing 716 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: tricks on me, or is this a situation where they're 717 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: legitimately like, that's who he is and that's who he's 718 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: gonna be. And because of that, it's not it's not 719 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: that he's getting worse or getting better. It's just that 720 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: that's who he is. There's certain things he is limited 721 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 1: in what he can do, and he wasn't that guy 722 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: last year unless in which you know, and Nick has 723 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: made this point before, like he looks rough in the 724 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: open field trying to tackle like wide receivers, but again, 725 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: he's a linebacker most linebackers. It's even it's even moving 726 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: in space, Like you get him down field where he's 727 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: having to chase a running back and he's having to 728 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: do it laterally. He doesn't look right. He doesn't look fluid. 729 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: And that's the part I'm more concerned about. He's made 730 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: some freaky plays moving laterally in the past, like again 731 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: the Deshaun Watson one and the album Kmara one from 732 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: last year come to mind. Have you have you seen 733 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: those this year? Um? I would bet I know. Layton 734 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: made one on Kimara this year that was really impressive. 735 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: Nothing springs to my mind. But I would bet there's 736 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: more there if I went back and looked at it, 737 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: not not that it's can you give me a study place? Yeah, Look, 738 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: eleven tackles in a row three straight games. I mean 739 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: that's a that's a good number right there, you know eleven. Uh, 740 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: he had three last week though, and and that that's concerning, 741 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: and he knows he had a bad game, that that 742 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: was a bad game for him. Yeah, yeah, I absolutely, 743 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 1: I'm fine putting Sean on the field more. But like, yeah, 744 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: it's it doesn't need to be this big ceremonial process 745 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: of like benching somebody. Yeah, we don't. We don't sit 746 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: there and call out you know. Well sort of, I 747 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: guess the Marcus Lawrence, you know, I mean for how 748 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: they rotate those guys. But um, you know, it's just 749 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: it's just interesting because you don't want to put money involved, 750 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: but but it is sort of you know. And and 751 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: they they made the decision to make this guy way 752 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: more paid than any of these other defensive ends. But 753 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: yet Rod Marinelli still plays them the same way, you know, 754 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: And you would like to think that the guy making 755 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: twenty one million the year over the guy making six 756 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: hundred thousand shouldn't be rotating, you know, snaps like that. 757 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: All right, real quick, we're gonna get a phone call. 758 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: We got a call from Rob Out in Las Vegas. 759 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: Rob what up? Hey, guys, just looking at the offense 760 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: real quick. I think a couple of things. One. I 761 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: think Zeek now has turned into a grinder and not 762 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: a home run hitter, and I think that affects this team. 763 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: I think they're missing Beasley. I think Colb is not 764 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: as good as Beasley for what they want to move 765 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: to change. Beasley's got better hands, and I just think 766 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: he's better at that. I think I think whiteness. I 767 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: think they would have been better which are and he 768 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: could stretch the field, especially the middle. I like Witt 769 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: and the old Man, but he's just too slow and defensively. 770 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: Nick's been talking about this for years. The reason why 771 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: I felt you need some big sack lineman is to 772 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: protect your sports car linebackers. Jaylen Smith and Van the 773 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: rest are not trucks. They have sports cars. They run sideline. 774 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: The sideline teams now realize we'll just run out of them, 775 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: and I don't think they've ever recovered from getting run 776 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: over against the rams and the playoffs. They look like 777 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: boxers who took up beatings and they don't want the contact. 778 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: The one thing about Sean Lee, I know he gets hurt, 779 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: but he will attack the whole and he will come 780 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: up and hit him. So will Joe Thomas. Uh, they're 781 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: not going to bench these guys. You know that you're 782 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: not gonna bench a guy just hate Jaalen Smith and 783 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: Van der esh is their their future? They just won't. 784 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: But I agree, I would like to see Sean Lee 785 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: on the field more, but this team doesn't really do that. 786 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: And let's and for one more thing, Xavier Woods and 787 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: Malie Collins. We fall into the trap every preseason. We 788 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: fall in love with training camp guys we hit, they 789 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: look so good, and we just have to realize that 790 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 1: that's stake football. You know, that's that's not real football. 791 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: We've seen it for years. And these guys get on 792 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: the field and they're just guys that they're nothing special, 793 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: and that's that's just hurt this team. All right, Thanks 794 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: for the call, O. The scary part about that call 795 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: is that I'm I'm not sure he's wrong about anything. 796 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: That's what's scary. I'm not sure I'm not. I don't 797 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: know about that. I don't like calling MALIEK. Collins just 798 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: a guy, I think, but MALIEK. Collins, which we I 799 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: talked about this a week or two ago, is like 800 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: at training camp, what do you see, Like you see 801 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: the ability to rush the passer, and he is good 802 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: at that. He's been good at it this year in 803 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: my opinion, fake football, though, Well it is, and you 804 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: don't see the run defense aspect of it. You don't 805 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: see that, and they haven't been good at that. And 806 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, Rod Marinelli values these undersized defensive tackles who 807 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: can get up field. It hasn't looked great against the run. 808 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's a very good point when it 809 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: comes to why Layton and Jalen might not be playing better. 810 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: It would be great if the defensive tackle they drafted 811 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: was good enough to get a game. Jersey. I don't 812 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: think that makes Tristan Hill a bust, but it's certainly 813 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: disappointing that a guy you drafted in the top sixty 814 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: isn't good enough to be playing like it. Is absolutely disappointed. 815 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: And then you take that part and then you go 816 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: with the party. He said about Xavier Woods kind of 817 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: being a guy, and then you realize that they took 818 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 1: Tristan Hill over a guy Juan Thornhill, who's playing really 819 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: well for the Chiefs right now, getting interceptions and making 820 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: some plays. And then you couple that with the fact 821 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: that Xavier Woods is just kind of just playing okay, 822 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: and you have to go no farther than this last 823 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: week to see what a great safety can do to 824 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: change games. And the Cowboys don't have a plus safety 825 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,280 Speaker 1: right now that I at any level even close to that. 826 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: That guy reminded me of I hate saying this because 827 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: this guy's Hall of Famer, but he reminded me of 828 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: Troy Polam because every time I watched the Steelers play, 829 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: if it was a blitz, he was there right there 830 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: or right on the last scrimage. But then when it 831 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: was a deep ball, he was back there like everywhere. 832 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: He just guessed right, and an instincts allow you to 833 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: do that. And I thought Jamal Adams was everywhere in 834 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: that game. I told you trade for him. The other 835 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: part I don't necessarily agree with from now, we would 836 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: before the game, so you don't take the light. The 837 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: other part of the uncle I don't necessarily agree with 838 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: was the Beasley and Cobb. Yeah, by having Cobb, I 839 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: think Cobb is much better for yards after catch. I 840 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: think still stronger would disagree. Really, Beasley is a better player, 841 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: I honestly don't be a better player for what you're 842 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: trying to do with with Cooper and Gallop now able 843 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: to kind of stretch a little bit more than than 844 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: you ever had, and they're versatile. I think the move 845 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: the chains guy is better. Yeah, Cobb can stretch it, okay, 846 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: but when when? But there were a lot of games. 847 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: There were a lot of games over his career I'm 848 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: talking about Cole, a lot of games where he didn't 849 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: show up, couldn't get open. So you tell me, yeah, 850 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: he's a move the chains guy, but he's not always 851 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: getting open. He's not and making play. So I still don't. 852 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: I still believe that they are about the same player 853 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,439 Speaker 1: from the standpoint of them being able to get open 854 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: catch the ball. I do think the Cobb adds an 855 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: additional dimension that Beasley doesn't necessarily add from the standpoint 856 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: of being able to get down field and if he 857 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: needs to playing outside a little bit by being at 858 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,919 Speaker 1: route runner inside, and I think that then playing with 859 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and Gallup and the fact that they are 860 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: better route runners than anyone the Cowboys have ever had. 861 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: We know, Terrence Williams and Dez We're not the best 862 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: at route running. So I think you've got two legitimate 863 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: outside threats at receiver that can do everything. I think 864 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: Beasley I mean, but that again, the money wasn't just 865 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: about to say change it up. Now, Let's ask that 866 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: question for one year five million and then he I mean, 867 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: Beasley was making seven in or eight and it's on 868 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: a malt I mean, yea, yeah, I wasn't the same 869 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: from their standpoint. It's on which cop. First of all, 870 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: Cop wasn't healthy, Cob has had drops and him and 871 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: Dak haven't been able to get on the same page. 872 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: But like more than anything, like just Callen Moore Scotland, 873 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: and like why why can't the Cowboys get more than 874 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: like two wide receivers in Jason Witten involved in their offense? 875 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: Like why does that seem like such a cool Tavon 876 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: Austin and Cedric Wilson did it out of necessity, but 877 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is just collecting dust somewhere on the sideline. 878 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: Tavon's an afterthought until somebody gets hurt. Jarwin. Haven't really 879 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: seen him utilized much outside of going down the seam 880 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: where it works, by the way, and it's like it's 881 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: like they don't know how to manufacture touches for anybody 882 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: other than the obvious three. So Cobb's role has been 883 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: disappointing to that point. I don't know how much I 884 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: put on put that on Cobb schemes some stuff up 885 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, let me say this too, about Whitten 886 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: and Jarwin, I don't know if I mean, yes, one's 887 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: way more athletic than the other, I get that, but 888 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't know right now about the blocking, you know, 889 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: as far as being on the field as much. I'm 890 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: not saying Witten has been the best at blocking, and 891 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: he you know, he's had some penalties and things like 892 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: that too, But I don't think Jarwin's, you know, this 893 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: great blocker either. So I don't know. If you just 894 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: said Jarwin needs to play over Witten, I don't know, 895 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: And I don't know what happens there. I mean, maybe 896 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: we need to ask that question. It's no, you're right, 897 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: but Jimmy m has been a terrible blocker his entire career, 898 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: and and he's he's way on. He's not what he 899 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: used to be. I get that. But you can figure 900 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: out ways to use guy's skill sets to their advantages. 901 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: And don't ask a bad blocker to block. Send him 902 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 1: down the seam where he'll catch it twenty five yards 903 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: downfield and set you up on the goal line linebacker 904 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: or safety with him. So he still has some value, right, 905 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,879 Speaker 1: he still helps. It's it's like it's very paint by 906 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: numbers to me where there It's like, we have this 907 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: situation where we will use this guy and it's just 908 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: very by numbers. I like how you put it feels 909 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: very black and white and and and boring and and 910 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. Average three and 911 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: three three three and three. All right, guys, appreciate you 912 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: join us. We're back tomorrow. We're gonna get heavy into 913 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. We'll talk about the Philly offense tomorrow, 914 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: then the defense on Thursday. Hopefully get you guys ready 915 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: for this game. Lets you know what's going to happen 916 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, Danny Serek, I'm 917 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,720 Speaker 1: Derek Eagleston. This has been the Break Live on Dallas 918 00:44:54,719 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been at trip of 919 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club