1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: As a guide an hunter. I've spent thousands of days 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. Welcome back to the podcast Everybody. 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: This week is our final live Q and A at 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: the Pope and Young Club Convention, and there's still some 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: great questions raised about hunting tactics that I think will 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: really help a lot of hunters out there this season. 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: So let's jump into part three of Live at the 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: p n Y. I have two young boys, and um, 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: what Western State would you suggest me to concentrate on them? 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: For youth? Elcome Western State? To concentrate for elk is it? 14 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: Are you thinking like something where over the counter, something 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: over the counter where you know, you know not you know, 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: nothing crazy access for a kid or anything like that. 17 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: It's something where the kids need to work and you 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: know earn it, that's for sure. Okay, I think that. 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: I mean I would say, like, you know, I think good. 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh, go to Colorado. There's a compele from Colorado. 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Don't go to Colorado. Um, but that's not. Actually what 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: I like to say is it depends on where you live, 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: because the best like the best place to hunt somewhere 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: that you can go and like have it's not so 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: far away, so like you might hear of a unit 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: all the way across, you know, eighty drive from you. 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's that place is on fire right now. 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: But I'd rather pick the spot it's four or five 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: hours away. You can get into that you can maybe 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: spend the summer. And so for living in California, I mean, 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: the closest over the counter tag is the organ you know, 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: and there's and you're gonna find some good hunting. It's 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: like it's just like anything where you spend your time 34 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: and where I think there's like where's the best place 35 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: to kill a bull? Where's the best place to kill back? 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Anywhere you got a tag? You know? And it probably 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: the best places where you can get a tag multiple 38 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: times in a year, in anywhere that you can access 39 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: and maybe put in a little bit of time before 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: and after the season, because if you're if you're close 41 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: enough where you can maybe make a summer trip out 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: of it with the family and you can go and 43 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: get some summer scouting intel because it's one of the 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: easier times to actually find animals, mostly for deer, but 45 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: for elk as well. And then you can say, okay, well, 46 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: now we've we've put in a little bit of time here. 47 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: Now we can go back into that unit. It's close enough, 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: we can make a trip out of it, and we 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: can do this two or three years in a row. 50 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: It's gonna be It's gonna be time well spent as 51 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: opposed to chasing the best unit, or chasing this or 52 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: chasing that, just picking something that you can access and 53 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: go to. You I think you mentioned south facing slopes. 54 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Could you talk a little bit about that in your 55 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: experience with whatever direction facing slopes are, how that impacts 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: elk for instance. Biology. Yeah, so so the south slope, 57 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: you know, it gets more sun, so it's gonna be 58 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: the dry side. The north faces that wet side. Um 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: the north faces more of like betting areas, thick cover safety. 60 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: Oftentimes the north face is steeper because it gets more water, 61 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 1: more precipitation, more runoff, you know, so it's holding that water, 62 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: it's holding that snow than it's flushing it down in 63 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: a faster rate. So it actually creates like oftentimes a 64 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: more steeper part of the mountain, whereas the south face 65 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: is often drier and more gentle. Um. You know, you 66 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: look at a big mountain, it's like the north the 67 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: company north face, it's like big steep mountains because that's 68 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: that's the hard one to climb. Um. But the south 69 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: faces where it's especially for elk canna provide that food 70 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: and that forage. So um. You know, there is there 71 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: is that kind of thought of kind of picking your 72 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: your areas that you hunt based on the orientation of 73 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: the mountain. But not all, not all mountain ranges to 74 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: go north, south, east west. But it's just saying, like, 75 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, where's the dryer side, where's the difference, Like 76 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: based on those two sides, and you've got two completely 77 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: different types of habitat. And that can even be on 78 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: one ridge. And I'm not saying like the north side 79 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: of a mountain. I'm saying, like the north face of 80 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: that one ridge, um will be that dryer side, and 81 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: then the other side will be the bedding side. So 82 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: what they're gonna do is they're gonna be popping out 83 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: of the south side over into the north face, feeding 84 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: and then dropping back and bedding into the south face. 85 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: It makes it a little easier to kind of narrow down. 86 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: And then and then so what I would do how 87 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: I would expand on that as I would say, where's 88 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: the predominant wind direction? You know? So I would go, okay, um, 89 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: maybe the you know, like look at the predominant wind 90 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: direction there, And I would say, where's the wind blowing 91 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: down like down over that south face? And and then 92 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: you can kind of figure out like based on those 93 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: kind of things, start pinpointing. Okay, here's where I'm gonna 94 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: start my hunt. So here's where I'm gonna start looking, 95 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: because they're gonna bed in that safety. And then you've 96 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: got that food nearby. So you got deer fell dear 97 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: bedded thirty yards, you're in range only exist throw up 98 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: the swords. You feel the wind changing, you want to 99 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: get that there to stand up before it blows up. 100 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: You're said, what's your best way to to stand up? Oh, 101 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: that's a good question, because I've tried them all and 102 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: I have found the best way. You know. It's one 103 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: of those things You're gonna do something and it will 104 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: either be the right thing or the wrong thing. I 105 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: will tell you all the things I've tried. Um Uh. 106 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: I have done the rock toss. Everybody Chris has done 107 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: it successfully. I've had a lot of rock tosses go wrong. Um. 108 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: I think one thing that I tend to do is 109 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: it depends on um try not try not to do 110 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: it too low. But like I like to, if I'm 111 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: like this is gonna be bad, sometimes I'll actually just 112 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: start my draw cycle and that sound of the draw 113 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: is enough to make them curious, but not enough to 114 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: spook him. So I'll draw. But there's times where it's 115 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: like draw and they just don't even care, and you're 116 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: like okay, and then it's like let down. And I've 117 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: gotten five draws on one year, but that one time 118 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: they troubles you. You know, sometimes they draw and they 119 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: look at you, but at that point it might already 120 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: be too late. You know, you're already settled in and 121 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: you're ready, and then let her rip. Um I've done though, 122 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: like uh, this was you know he'd probably like this 123 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: is that was a terrible idea. But the giant buck 124 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: that I was talking about, I snuck in thirty three 125 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: yards to that deer, and um, I just had his 126 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: head and neck above their the stage and I'm like, 127 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: oh my god, Okay, it's just waiting, waiting, and I'm 128 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: like okay, and then I was like I was thirty 129 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: three yards and this is like I didn't know anything 130 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: about anything really, but um I knew how to get 131 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: close to this stuff and what a big deer was, 132 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, but I it. So I was like, Okay, 133 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sneak up. I was been there for hours, 134 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: and I was like, I gonna sneak up three more yards. 135 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: So like so I'm like, just so it's like an 136 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: even thirty you know, as might as well. I got 137 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: bored whatever. So I'm like guy, and I'm like, oh, 138 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: maybe it'll get you know. Stand. So I started creeping 139 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: up three more yards and then I'm like, tim, there 140 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: now thirty yards and I feel the wind shift and 141 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: just like and I'm like as soon as I felt 142 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: that wind, I drew back and that buck just blew 143 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: out of there, and I was like, damn it. And 144 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, like, what would I have done different? 145 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I thought, I'll just shoot him in the back of 146 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: the head next time. It doesn't work, because I tried 147 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: it once and it didn't work. A deer went away 148 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: with an arrow stuck in his antler, and I was like, well, 149 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: that's the last time I'll ever try that. Uh say 150 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: that again. Yeah, Um, I have done the grunt as well. Um, 151 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, one thing, I've had it, I've had it 152 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: work out, and i've had it not. You know, generally 153 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: they're they're more calm. I'm like with ELK, I would 154 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: do the alcohol for sure, because they're just they're more 155 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: used to the sound the grunt call like will stop him. 156 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: But they always kind of like the mule here for 157 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: some reason look up first. They're like, you know, instead 158 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: of like the stand up and look. And I think 159 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: it just you know, I think that that kind of like, oh, 160 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm already at full dry. I did the grunt and whatever. 161 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: One time I did a turkey call and it worked 162 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: really well, so I was just like, deer stood up 163 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: and didn't even care. So I was like, I don't know, 164 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: I've tried it all, and I just don't know. I 165 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: think over time the best option has kind of been 166 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like whatever you feel in the moment. 167 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: But I think the drawing thing generally works for me 168 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: because it's just enough time that they like stand up, 169 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: like they're like, do I get out of here? Stand up? 170 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: And then it's like arrows gone. But there are those 171 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: times where they don't even hear it and you gotta 172 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: draw first grunt call on coast deer in the run. Yes, yeah, 173 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: I've I find that they're more um, they're more susceptible 174 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: to rattling. But I have used the grunt. I've also 175 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: used like even just like standard white tail like snort, 176 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: we'se um. But they I think that rattling is the 177 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: most effective call for cou's deer. Well, I'll take it 178 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: back rattling and distress call, which seems um interesting, But 179 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: I feel like the distress call doesn't get used enough, 180 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: and they most dear. I've I've been pretty successful calling 181 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: in dear all species of dear with a with a 182 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: distress call, just a wounded deer. It's um. It's got 183 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: two effects. They run away or they run to you. 184 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: But when they run to you, it's really awesome. UM. 185 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: But the it works really well too in more arid 186 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: places like so that's why I think it works on 187 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: the Cou's deer and desert meal deer um pretty well. 188 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't know why that is. They're just maybe more uh, 189 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: maybe there's like that higher like they're kind of a 190 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: smaller deer, and I think coyotes probably can kind of 191 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: get on them any time of year, so they kind 192 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: of they group up and they defend whatever's in distress. UM. 193 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: I kind of started using that call after I was 194 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: stalking in him on this group of deer uh in 195 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: the high country in Nevada actually, and there was this 196 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: little fawn that kind of ran away from the herd, 197 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: and this coyote came just barreling in there, and I 198 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: heard and that entire herd of deer, thirty deer, like 199 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: just every deer in the bushes, busted out and chase 200 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: that coyote out. And there was three bucks in that 201 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: group with those does, and they came to and I 202 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: was like, m okay, and I've right it, and I've 203 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 1: had bucks come running in um or. You know, you 204 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: gotta kind of it's gotta be kind of the right scenario. 205 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: You look for a scenario where there's deer with fonso 206 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: during the rut. It works best because it's actually the 207 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: does that are more doing it, and then the bucks 208 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: come with um. But they get super like, um, I 209 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: don't even know, like the best way, like they get 210 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: super dumb when that distress calls coming out. I don't 211 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: know if you've ever. Uh, it works really well on 212 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: Havelina's as well. Um, Havelna distress call and they come 213 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: running in and charging and and it works one time 214 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: after that it like they get super wise to it. 215 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: But the first time they're kind of dumb and they 216 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: stand there and they're like what's going on? And they 217 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: they keep coming back and investigating. So, um, you just 218 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: kind of gotta commit to it if you decided to 219 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: try that. But um, it's it also works. Is like 220 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: when things don't work out, blow the distress call. Yeah, 221 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: what are the chances of calling a hurt bull downhill 222 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: during the rut? Uh? Not real good? Um I found 223 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: Like so the herd bulls, like you know, he's like 224 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: already got his thing and you kind of got it. 225 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: The best way to kill a herdble during the rut 226 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: is to actually like dog him, um, and to get 227 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: to a point where he kind of feels like when 228 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: he's uphill, he kind of has the advantage and he 229 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: knows it, so he's like, well, come up to me. 230 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: But they don't like when they have the disadvantage. So 231 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: generally what will happen is when you get that hurt 232 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: and kind of a frenzy and they start moving off, 233 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: and you'll know, like, okay, the herd starting to split up. 234 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: That's when your best chance to call in the herdble 235 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: because things are going on and things are getting chaotic. 236 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: That's when other satellite bills start peeling cows off. And 237 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: it is like a super physical task. But what I 238 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: do is I like start dog I call it dogging 239 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: the bowl. So I'll just start following and bugling, bugling 240 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: bugle and keep that herd just going, keep that noise going, 241 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: and keep that bowl going. And I found that right 242 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: when they crest over, So like when that bull crests 243 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: over the hill, I want to be right at that 244 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: ridge and let out the meanest bugle you've ever made, 245 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: and nine times out of ten, that bowl whip around 246 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: and come right back up to you. And it's just 247 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: something those bulls like don't like about that. They don't 248 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: like somebody else because that's like a dominant position and 249 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: you're letting out that mean dominant bugle and they just 250 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: don't like that. I would say, all the all the 251 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: herd bull I would say, oh, I think about it most. 252 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: I actually I have called in a couple of horribles 253 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: up but um, most of the herdbles that I have 254 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: called in in my life have been from being above them, 255 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: not blow him. Um. Oh no, wait, yeah, no, I 256 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: can't even think of a single one that I've called downhill. Really, 257 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: does anybody think of some good ones that they've called 258 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: in from down Hello? No, I don't know what it is. 259 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: They just they they're like, well, if you if you 260 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: think you're tough, come up here and fight me. And 261 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: then when you're above him, they're like, oh he thinks 262 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: he's tough. Oh no, he's about me. The cows are 263 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: gonna think I'm weak. I better go get him. It's 264 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: just like some weird thing that they don't like anybody else. 265 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: In your opinion, what's the easiest toughest jar to hunt 266 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: or is there a I? Um? I think personally, I 267 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: think early season, like the ture meal deer or the 268 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: hardest deer to hunt. Uh. And the reason there's a 269 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: couple of reasons for that. I've I've said that for 270 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: a very long time, and I think that actually out 271 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: of all the North American species that I've been fortunate 272 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: enough to chase, I think the mature meal dere's one 273 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: of the I mean it's like for me, it's like 274 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: that's probably like the trophy of trophies because they, you know, 275 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: like everything else has like a really good like something 276 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: or a season or something where you can exploit a weakness. 277 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: And I kind of like build my hunting philosophies around that, is, 278 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: like how how do you get in and you find 279 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: that one little chink in the armor. Mule deer though, 280 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: it's like, well, white tails they can be patternable or 281 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, they can follow out and you can you 282 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: can ambush them. Um, you know, black tails is a 283 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: very difficult hunt. But they also have like a black 284 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: tail is the perfect mix between a meal or and 285 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: a white tail, so you they do have those patternable tendencies. 286 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Mule deer is like it's one of the only animal 287 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like one of the animals 288 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: that it's appear spot in stock game most of the time, 289 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: like you have to you have to sneak in and 290 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: get it, and that's that's what makes it so difficult. 291 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: And they generally like don't lend themselves. Like you know, 292 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: there's there's young dumb deer for sure, Like there's those 293 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: ones that are just like, hey, i'm five yards off 294 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: the road and you know somebody drove up and got me. Um. 295 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: But there there are you know, like early season, especially 296 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: when they're hiking, they're they're just a smart there. They're 297 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: keyed in, they've got their ears out, they're listening, they've 298 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: got great sense of smell, great sense of site. I 299 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: think it's a pretty hard one to do because you know, 300 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: like elk you can call in. Um, they just they 301 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: just aren't really susceptible to those tactics. And they aren't 302 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: they are patternable in a way that like makes you 303 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: think that you can anticipate them, but they will like yeah, 304 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: they're coming out here every day and then you go 305 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: sit there and they're coming out yeah three yards that way. 306 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: You know. So I think that that's probably in my 307 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: opinion that I'm sure somebody else might have some other 308 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: But you know, then you're talking about like okay, well 309 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: I've I've spot and stocked a lot of white tails, 310 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: and that's really difficult because in that thick, crunchy stuff, Um, 311 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: they're super keyed in, but you know you can. You 312 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: can also change your tactics and the same with meal here. 313 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean you could sit walk R but they don't. 314 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: They generally don't hit the same water very often. Um, 315 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: they're just a little more nomadic, a little less predictable. Well, 316 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: do a couple more questions if anybody's got a few, Yeah, 317 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: good for it. Uh, you obviously do D I Y stuff. 318 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: And you guys, when you get guys that are primarily 319 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: d I Y in camp and you're guiding them, what 320 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: mindset do you want the Y I Guide too to 321 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: bring too? Yeah, that's a great question because I've been 322 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: that guy, and um, you know, I think like the 323 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: best my you know, if you're with a guide and 324 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: outfere that really knows what they're doing, you know, I 325 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: think the best thing is like you bring the skills 326 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: that are needed for you as the hunter, and then 327 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, like don't let them second guests themselves, you 328 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Your best opportunity with somebody that 329 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: really knows what they're doing is let them do what 330 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: they know to do, you know. Um, but also like 331 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: bring the things that you can bring, which is be 332 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: prepared with your shooting, be able to physically keep up, 333 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: you know. I was like, well, I could go out 334 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: and shoot an elk. I mean, I don't mean to 335 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, pack yourself. Like I feel like 336 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: I could go out on public land and pretty much 337 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: shoot if I'm just like not trying to film under whatever, 338 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: shoot a bowl any day of the week with my bow. 339 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: It's because like I can get after y'all, I can 340 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: go in, I can I can do what it takes. 341 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: And if somebody can stick with me and do that, 342 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: then everybody's chances increase, you know. And so you're obviously 343 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: hiring that person for a reason. And so whether it's 344 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: their knowledge of the area, whether there, it's their experience calling, 345 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: whether whatever it is, then like, you know, be there 346 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: and just be able to to keep up, to do 347 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: what they can do and like hunt like with them. 348 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: And I think that that's gonna be the best recipe 349 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: for success, um, you know, and because sometimes they'll be like, 350 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: oh what do you think you know, and mostly it's 351 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: just like tell me what to do? You know, And 352 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: I've even been that person, like you know, I'm here, 353 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm with you. You know, these animals, let's do what 354 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: you know is right because once you start getting the 355 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: group think and everybody puts in their two cents, most 356 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: of the time instantaneous decision making went out the window 357 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: and and then it's like catering to someone else's knees. 358 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: But if you can be that person that can just 359 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: like I just want to, I just wanna we're just 360 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: hunting like you would hunt, then you're gonna have a 361 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: lot more success. But I also know that that's not 362 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: always possible. So does that make sense to that? Yeah, 363 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: and answer it. You're open a bowshot? Yes? So, uh, 364 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: Tim Burnett that he does solo hunter with me, he 365 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: opened a bowshop. It's over on um so on Longley. Um, 366 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's just getting getting fired off. So the 367 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: doors are open. Um, there's still some bows and boxes everywhere, 368 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's still it's pretty much up and running. 369 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: So pretty stoked on that for it. When practicing shooting 370 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: a bow, what's your opinion on shooting in like awkward 371 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: situations and positions? Yeah, that's um, that's like my number 372 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: one thing when I when I shoot, everything I do 373 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: is really focused on bow hunting. Like I mean, I 374 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: love archery, but I don't really care to shoot paper 375 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: at all. I mean I do. I I love to 376 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: shoot a bow. I love the act of shooting a bow. 377 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: And understand that a lot of people get into bow 378 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: hunting through archery, but I got into bow hunting through hunting. 379 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: That makes sense. So it's like everything I do is 380 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: so focused on hunting. So when I'm practicing, I like 381 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: to anything that I do. I like to practice like 382 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: I'm doing. So that is like practicing those types of 383 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: things through the years of the way that I've adjusted 384 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: my practice as being like if I go on a 385 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: hunt and I, like, say, missed a shot or did something, 386 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, like made a badge of whatever, I mean, 387 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: I really replay those things in my head and then 388 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: I go throughout the year and adjust those things. One 389 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: thing that I realized that I was doing the number 390 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: one shot that I would miss is like generally, when 391 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking and I was trying to come in from above, 392 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: I think it's the most effective way to get in close. 393 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: So I'd come in from above and then i'd be 394 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: you know, say a steep hill and I've got the 395 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: deer below me, I'm looking at the deer, I draw 396 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: down low out of sight, and then I get everything settled, 397 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: and I slowly start raising up and and then as 398 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: soon as I can see that animal, you know, then 399 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to get all the way 400 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: up and be skyline, so I'm like crouched halfway down 401 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: like this, you know, and then I'm off kilter. It's 402 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: probably some kind of slope of the hill, and I 403 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: would I would downhill shooting in like a squat position. 404 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: I'm MUFTI more of those shots than I care to 405 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: think about. And it's like never even dawned to me 406 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: until I was like I started really going like, okay, 407 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: I've missed a couple of those, and then I started 408 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: practicing those and on like weird he'll pitches of hill 409 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: and things like that. And then over the years you 410 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: just find a better way to center yourself to to 411 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: keep that, you know, like keep everything level, to a 412 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: different way of leaning into the hill, in a different 413 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: way of um and shooting. And and then there's sometimes 414 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: too where I've said, that's not the most efficient way 415 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: that I could have made that shot. Instead of being 416 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: in a in a squat position like I'm doing a 417 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: chair pose, why didn't I just go up to one 418 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: knee and you know, keep my left knee down in 419 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: my right knee up and and do it that way. 420 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: Or maybe I didn't have enough uh lift for that, 421 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: so maybe it's like why didn't I just go from 422 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: here to actually just committing to being full up and 423 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: locked in and steady and take that shot. So um, 424 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, but I do like to practice all those 425 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: awkward positions, all those like hunting focus things while throughout 426 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: like the year, um, and then another thing I love 427 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: to do. And I think it's like I mean the 428 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: traditional hunters will know, but like roving practice, like I'll 429 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: get a rubber blunt tip on, and whether it's my 430 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: recurve longbow compound bow, I love to just like walk 431 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: around in areas types of places that I'm hunting and 432 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: shoot pine cones and rocks and dirt clods because it's 433 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: like that practice in the hill that it's like we 434 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: aren't setting up a target, we don't have to do anything. 435 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: We can just send it and you know, like get 436 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: that practice of those you know, like I'll just be 437 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: like that's the deer down there in my mind, raise up, 438 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: shoot and just keep moving in hike and carried around 439 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: and maybe shoot jack rabbits or whatever. But just like 440 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: that that act of being in the field, getting those 441 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: like in the field shots you're you're dealing with when 442 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: you're dealing with terrain, you're dealing with who knows what 443 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: other and and I even bring those on ivory hunt um, 444 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: especially backcountry hunts, because it's a good way to like 445 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: shoot your bow in camp and make sure that everything 446 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: is like you took a tumble down the mountain and 447 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: make sure everything's working right, like just shoot the blunt 448 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: tip at something, you know, dirt clod or whatever in 449 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: camp or in the field. What's your sight set up? 450 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: Did you prefer like one pin to three pin or 451 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: five pen or whether advantages? Yeah, I started out with 452 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: h you know, I used to love like a big 453 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: multi pin seven pin site. Now I'm going now I 454 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: shoot the spot hog fast steady XL. So it's got 455 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: it's a single pen site, but it's got the two indicators, 456 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: so I'm essentially shooting a two pin with a single pin. 457 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: I asposed to that maybe four years ago, and just 458 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: I think it was I don't know, like you do 459 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: something so long and you think like, oh, this is 460 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: the best system, and then for someone I don't even 461 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: know why I decided to switch to that, and it's 462 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: just been a lot better for me. Um, I think 463 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: I what I The first thing I noticed about it 464 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: the first animal I shot with it that site. I 465 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: was like, man, I can see everything, and I can 466 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: actually like walk like see the animal and anticipate their 467 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: movements a little better, and like just really get a 468 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: feel for the everything that's going on while I'm at 469 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: full draw and and my brain just clicked with that system. UM. 470 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: I will say, like, you know, maybe starting out, you're 471 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: like to be practicing and you go back and you're 472 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: like okay, and then you go to walk to thirty 473 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: yards and you just shot way over your target and 474 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: broken arrow because your site was set at eighty five, 475 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: and you're like dang it. Um. But over time I 476 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: got used to adjusting it. Now the tupin thing in 477 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: the single pin is good because I can set it 478 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: like I like to. I'll just set it at thirty 479 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: three yards walking around, and I can essentially shoot out 480 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: to sixty yards without even adjusting it if I had to, um, 481 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: because I know the drops and everything. When I first 482 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: started switching over to that single pin system, I did 483 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: have one thing where I was like I was hunting 484 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: follow deer in Australia and I had this buck and 485 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, he's coming in and uh and I 486 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: set my pin and then he walked like way closer 487 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and my brain was like I know all the drops down, 488 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: I don't know all the drops up. You know. Luckily 489 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: I just held under his belly. Shot perfect shot. But 490 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: it really like clicked in my head like Okay, I'm 491 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: always gonna undershoot the score and use the other and 492 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: like I'd rather hold over. But also during my practice, 493 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: I started doing a lot of undershooting and really knowing 494 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: like Okay, if I had that pin set at fifty 495 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: and I need to shoot it thirty, where do I 496 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: hold um? So? But I like I now I would 497 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: more adjust my pin where it's like my bottom pin 498 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: would be that yard digen and I'd rather hold the 499 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: bottom pin high than shoot underneath something. But the major 500 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: downside to the single pin, and what I really miss 501 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: about multiple pins is like you know, knowing your trajectory 502 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: of your arrow and understand whether a brand you're gonna 503 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: hit a branch at twenty yards or not. Because I 504 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: would always draw back if the thirty yards or forty yards, 505 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: and my twenty yard pin is centered on a limb. 506 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, tweak it a little bit. Um. It's 507 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: a little harder to thread than the needle with a 508 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: single pin, but the benefits away each other. Now, another 509 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: good option would be like a three pin slide or 510 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: something like that. But I've tried everything and I just 511 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: kind of settled on this one for me personally. Yep. Ever, 512 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: years ago, I think I seen a picture you killed 513 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: it a really heavy ad meal deer and the desert 514 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: stuff wrong that. Yep, what's your biggest takeaway from that? 515 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: I think we can learn from you. Yeah, I mean 516 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: I think a part of it is like there's that 517 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: there's that thing about like patients and then like moving 518 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: at the right times, you know. It was like so 519 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: many hunts. It's like you gotta be you see something, 520 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: You've got to be there right now. The way that 521 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: I got that deer was it was moving up the 522 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: canyon and I was like, I had a friend with me, actually, 523 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: and I was like, we're running to the top of 524 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: this thing, like we need to get to the top 525 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: before those deer, and I sprinted to the top. It 526 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 1: was everything I could do to get up there, and 527 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: then it was like almost a second too late, those 528 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: bucks are coming out, and I just laid down. You know. 529 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: The first deer had kind of seen something. I laid down, 530 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: and I just I mean, I've done this many times 531 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: with deer or whatever. It's like being able to freeze 532 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: and not freak out. Just like I laid there, and 533 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, if I got to take 534 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: a nap, I will take a nap. Get yourself comfortable 535 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: in that freeze position, because you don't want to be 536 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: in this position, you know, like one leg out because 537 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: it's not gonna work out for you. But get yourself comfortable, 538 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: get and and be like I don't even need to look, 539 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, and just let them acclimate to like the 540 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: presence of you, you know. And in some ways the 541 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: rest of the deer fed around and fed off. I didn't. 542 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: I end, I'm not speaking him, which is the goal, 543 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: and the big buck wasn't with them. But I knew 544 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: that between me and the bottom of the hill there 545 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: was only one tree and that big buck. I was like, well, 546 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stalk to that one tree because I wonder 547 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: if that deer just knew something those other deer didn't. 548 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: It's like I'm gonna bed here. I stalked down to 549 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: that tree and I didn't see the dear. I was like, 550 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: it's not here. But one thing that I stress no 551 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: matter what you're hunting, is I I do this tactic 552 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: of simultaneously assuming two things. I always assume that the 553 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: deer has never left, and I always assume that they have. 554 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: Like how do you do that? Because what that means is, 555 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: as I'm stalking to that spot, I'm never going to 556 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: second guess that it isn't there. I'm gonna say like, 557 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm stalking to the spot one knowing that he's there, 558 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: but I'm also telling myself in my head, he probably moved. 559 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: So that means that I have to be paying a 560 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: hundred percent attention to everything around so I don't miss 561 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: or misstep or miss going through something. And it's like 562 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: just kind of this mantra in my head of like 563 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: telling myself, I'm always expecting him to be there because 564 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: I've had those hunts where like a deer's bed in 565 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: under tree, I stock in. I get to twenty yards 566 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, the deer's not here, what's up 567 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: and I stand up and that deer was asleep and 568 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: blows out and you're like, wow, that sucked. Or there's 569 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: times where you stock in you're like he's there. I'm 570 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: you're so laser focused on that one spot, and then 571 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: he blows out fifteen yards to your right and you 572 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: didn't even your brain didn't. So I'm constantly assuming both things, 573 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: and by that I'm I'm really just saying you're paying 574 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: it mentioned everything, and so stalking into that um, he 575 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: wasn't there, but I set up like he was, and 576 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: it was kind of like one of those, you know, 577 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: one of those things like wind shift. I did see 578 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: another buck there, and I was like, Okay, this other 579 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: buck is probably gonna see me. He might blow out 580 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: a smaller buck um. And the second that that deer 581 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: ran out, I was already at full draw and made 582 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: that grunt sound. And I mean, like, if you I've 583 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: listened to watch rewatch videos that I've filmed or whatever, 584 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: and I'm always whistling or grunting for some reason that 585 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: you know, people are why you whistle a mule deer, 586 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: That high pitch sound actually kind of distracts them a 587 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: little bit, just making that noise is like, if you know, 588 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: they don't know what they got spooked with, they stop 589 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: and look and at that point is already too late, 590 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: arrows on its way and uh, yeah, I got that deer. 591 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: So this is like a just one of those things 592 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: where you kind of have to put everything together but 593 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: that you know, being patient at the right time, going 594 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: fast when you need to, and then simultaneously assuming they're 595 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: there and assuming they aren't and you know, if you 596 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: add all this together, you're gonna be pretty successful, are 597 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: you Heck enough? Yeah, it's an it's definitely an advantage. 598 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: But do you know, he's you gotta find figure out 599 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: the things that you know, like okay, maybe you can't, 600 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: but then it's like, okay, we'll figure out that thing 601 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: that you're good at. Maybe it's like hey, you know, 602 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: for for something like that, like I can't make it 603 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: up there, then you know what I would do. I 604 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: would almost back out and say I need to get 605 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: a good view of this and I'm gonna watch those 606 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: things until they bed, you know. So it's just a 607 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: different tactic. But but basing on that, that's kind of 608 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: like the same thing as like, you know, okay, what's 609 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: a what's a good strategy for what's going on right 610 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: here and for your like what you think you can do. Um, 611 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: And then I think that that's like a good way 612 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: to kind of mix all the things together. Yeah, I 613 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: use a risk I use a risk trap trigger release. 614 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: I think I've had the same one for like, I've 615 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: only had two in my life and they're the same one, 616 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: same like ones. It's pretty old, but I just like it. Um. 617 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: I know that it's like I don't really know because 618 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: I in my way into archery was me teaching myself, 619 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: and I learned a really a lot of bad things. Um. 620 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean I I guess I got into compound shooting 621 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: based on like I just shot a traditional bow from 622 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: when I was a kid. My teacher was Byron Ferguson 623 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: books of just like be the arrow I learned to shoot. 624 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: I had a string with a softball in the backyard 625 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: and I would swing the softball. I never shot at 626 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: a stationary target until I was like, got a compound bow. 627 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: He was like, that's how I shot, just swinging moving 628 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: things and shooting them, which is really good. But when 629 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: it came to, uh, you know, compound bow shooting, I 630 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: didn't understand sites I didn't understand any of that, so 631 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: I had a lot of really bad habits later on. 632 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: You know, people were like, oh, you'll develop target panic, 633 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: and I think, just shooting it probably paper targets. I would, 634 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: but my mind is so focused on hunting that I 635 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: think I never I was fortunate to not do that. 636 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: I know. Um, I think if I was to restart, 637 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: I probably go with the you know, like a different release. 638 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: But for me it works, you know, so, and I 639 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: do now. I actually have a pretty much every release 640 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: ever made, and I will go out and I will 641 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: shoot with multiple releases. Like if I'm shooting really bad, 642 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: I'll just throw a back tension release on and shoot 643 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: a few with that. Or I'll use my wrist release 644 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: and hold it in here and fired it off with 645 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: my pinkie. And I constantly like change up the way 646 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: that I'm shooting. So I like to have like multiple options, 647 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: but I always hunt with the risk release. And because 648 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: one of my like mantras another thing hunting like a 649 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: lesson learned. Um, my rule is like my release will 650 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: be on my wrist on my bow because I have 651 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: guided and I have come into encounters with like we 652 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: got in I had a client one time, like I'm 653 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: like calling and he's up there and he's ready, and 654 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: I call in this herd bowl and he walks past 655 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: him it like fifteen yards and nothing happens, and I'm like, dude, 656 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: what's going on? And he's like, I don't have He 657 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: came back, He's like, I don't have my release, Like 658 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: he went to the bathroom. He set the release down 659 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: and had no release in this ELK came in and 660 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: he just missed his opportunity and I ended up um. 661 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: I ended up getting some pecord out and making a 662 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: release by doing like a kind of like a trucker's 663 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: hitch where you can like run it through, back it 664 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: and then hold it between his fingers, drawback and then 665 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: just open his hand like this. It ended up working, 666 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: but he didn't. We ended up hiking back out and 667 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: get going. I actually had another release, and from that 668 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: moment on, I actually started putting a spare release in 669 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: my pack when I was guiding. But I I even 670 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: had an encounter with a white tail where was like 671 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: I learned that lesson myself was like going in UM 672 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: to an area had my release in my I can't 673 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: even remember. I couldn't even find it was like just 674 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: going into here. I think it was my backpack or something, 675 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, big buck. The same buck that 676 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: I've been trying to hunt all season is right here 677 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 1: at thirty yards bedded, and I'm like, where's my freaking release? 678 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: You know. I was like I've been there, so Um, 679 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: that's one reason I like the wrist release. I and 680 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: I always know where it is on my wrist or 681 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: on my bow. Uh yeah cool. I think that's one 682 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: last question. Yeah, what do you message you use when 683 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: you shoot traditional? And how much do you shoot traditional 684 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:15,239 Speaker 1: versus compound? Yeah, I mean I don't know. I'm like 685 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: I said, I I kind of shoot a little bit 686 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: of every way. I mean, I shoot split fingers, I shoot. 687 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: It just depends on my bow, like I've got certain bows. Yeah, 688 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: I I think it's a combinat. It's more instinctive than aiming. 689 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: But I do um use like a point on like 690 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: my you know, yeah, point on target kind of thing. Um, 691 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: it really depends Like I've got a recurp one recurp 692 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: that I shoot one way, and I've got a long 693 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: bow that I shoot another way. Um. I like to 694 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: kind of just shoot all different ways and I kind 695 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: of changed over. You know, it just depends on how 696 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: that bow feels to me personally. But mostly it's it's 697 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: a lot of instinctive. It's more instinctive than anything because 698 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: I just kind of started that way, and it just 699 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: like I don't know the whole Like I some people 700 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: say it's not a good way to do it, so 701 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't ever try to tell somebody how to shoot. 702 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: I just do know what works for me and do 703 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: it minds more like the throw of all philosophy, Like 704 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: I just see it and I do it um and 705 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: I kind of do that. I still do that with 706 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: a compound though. I mean I think it's a it's 707 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: just like a way that I kind of don't worry 708 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: about the action. I think, like, don't get that buck 709 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: fever is like I just like people are like, well, 710 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: what's your problem? And on my process is I just 711 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: go in and kill the deer, and like it's a 712 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: really good process, you know, like yeah, because you don't 713 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: have time to work it up in your head. You're 714 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm just going in here and I'm 715 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 1: shooting the deer. And it's like if you make it 716 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: that simple, then it sometimes is and and then when 717 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: I start to think about things like anytime I'm shotgun 718 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: shooting or whatever. Anytime I'm like doing uh, some kind 719 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: of shotgun thing and it's like there's people and whatever, 720 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: and I just start telling myself how to shoot. I 721 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: will miss every clay that's thrown. But if I just 722 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: if if I'm walking on the hill and I'm half 723 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: sideways and a checker flies out at fifty four yards 724 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: and I gotta twist turn and throw it up with 725 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: my pack on, I'll shoot it in the head every time. 726 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: You know, It's just like that's just how I am, 727 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: and I not I know, not everybody's like that. So um, 728 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: definitely more of an instinctive type shot on many things. 729 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate everybody. Thanks 730 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: again everybody for listening. That concludes our live Q and A. 731 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: As the early season approaches, we have a ton of 732 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: great topics to cover coming up, including pronghorn tactics, drought 733 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: hunting strategies, maybe some wildfire workarounds. Also, don't forget to 734 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: send me your hunt questions via Instagram, and also head 735 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: over to my Remy warr On YouTube channel for some 736 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: new hunts videos. How two all that stuff that's gonna 737 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: be coming out. So until next week, I just want 738 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: you to think about hunting. Yeah. Sure, maybe your work 739 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: will suffer a little bit, it's okay. As long as 740 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: you think about hunting, everything will be fine, especially with 741 00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: the season coming up. So keep thinking hunting. Und