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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed we do. We've got

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Speaker 1: a little bit of tension between the Biden administration and

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Speaker 1: some of their key allies in labor over potential vaccine mandates.

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Speaker 1: We also have some updates for you that you've been

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Speaker 1: dying for about what Jared Kushner is going to be

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Speaker 1: up to next. You're going to be shocked to learn

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Speaker 1: pre parented cash in on his public service. I mean,

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Speaker 1: who would have thought? Who could have read that Trump

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Speaker 1: uncharacteristically backed the wrong horse in a Republican primary race.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Does that mean his grip on

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Speaker 1: the GOP is sliding? His team? His people are reportedly

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Speaker 1: very like upset and consternated over all of this. So

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that. I sat down with Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: for about thirty minutes yesterday. He gave us a lot

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Speaker 1: of great content, but in particular, we want to bring

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Speaker 1: you a clip where I pushed him on why isn't

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden using all the tools at his disposal, whether

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Speaker 1: it's executive action, Why have they hemmed themselves in with

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Speaker 1: the parliamentarian and with the filibuster. So it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: hear his response on that. And we wanted to start

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Speaker 1: actually with some developments that very closely involved Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: which is last night a key procedural vote in the

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Speaker 1: Senate to move forward with that bipartisan infrastructure bill. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: So this infrastructure bill, we have at least what the

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Speaker 1: details are. So let's put that up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is from Sahil Kapor, So this is what it

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Speaker 1: all looks like. Five hundred and fifty billion dollars of

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Speaker 1: new spending, which is down from five hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: nine billion, one hundred and ten billion dollars for road,

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Speaker 1: sixty five billion dollars for broadband. That's a big one

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Speaker 1: there within the bill. Highway Transit and Distribution Cinema is says,

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Speaker 1: Rob Portman says the bill is paid for, although as

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Speaker 1: of the time of writing, we still don't know what

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Speaker 1: the main pay fors are there. Crystal. Yeah, some of

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Speaker 1: it I know is going to come from unemployment, insurance fraud.

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Speaker 1: Some of it is going to come actually from state

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Speaker 1: was already appropriated money towards them that some of that

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Speaker 1: it remains unclear. So that's not the White House went down.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like interesting to note these things, right.

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Speaker 1: The White House put out a fact sheet about the

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Speaker 1: He hates the privatization part of it, the asset recycling,

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Speaker 1: Some felt it very important, for whatever reason, to show

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Speaker 1: the asset recycling, Yeah, that is the idea that we

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Speaker 1: passed in previous COVID bills which should be used later on.

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Speaker 1: So he is not clear about what he has those assurances,

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Speaker 1: Senator Sanders and other progressives are saying, like, Okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: kirston Cinema, good luck tanking your own party's investment on childcare,

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Speaker 1: language there from AOC and does underscore that. Look, we're

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Speaker 1: and made a lot of sense to me. They say

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Speaker 1: some unions say that because the vaccine has become so politicized,

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Speaker 1: mandates from leadership would be less effective and would actually

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Speaker 1: only alienate certain members. Instead, they push leadership to focus

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Speaker 1: on incentives and outreach programs that have been effective in

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Speaker 1: the past at getting rank and file members vaccinated. Several

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Speaker 1: unions have already bargained with companies through the pandemic to

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Speaker 1: provide certain perks to workers. For example, the Association of

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Speaker 1: Flight Attendants led by Sarah Nelson, who you all know.

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Speaker 1: They have not endorsed a vaccine mandate, but they negotiated

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Speaker 1: a program that provides three extra vacation days to United

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Speaker 1: Airlines flight attendants who receive the vaccine. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that we've been talking about is, like, you may

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Speaker 1: feel like I, you know, I'm okay with getting vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: but I can't take the time off work, and then

446
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Speaker 1: what if I get sick? And then do I have

447
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Speaker 1: to miss that time too? So they cleared that obstacle

448
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Speaker 1: for their workers and are doing what they think makes

449
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Speaker 1: sense to get their members vaccine into me that at

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Speaker 1: this point we may wish it was otherwise. With the

451
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Speaker 1: vaccine is very politicized, and I think their analysis here

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Speaker 1: is correct that a mandate is really counterproductive. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: agree more. And at the end of the day, look,

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Speaker 1: we live in a free country. And there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of dicey legal ground here too, because there's going to

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Speaker 1: be challenges over exemptions. It is still emergency Youth authorization

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Speaker 1: is not fully approved or whatever by the FDA, which

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Speaker 1: means it actually can't legally be mandated. And whenever you

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Speaker 1: look at a lot of this stuff and you think

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Speaker 1: about the labor movement and more, do you really want

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Speaker 1: to spark like this federal mandate thing you have to

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Speaker 1: do it and then create more people leaving unions? I

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Speaker 1: mean that seems counterproductive in my opinion. We live in

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Speaker 1: a free country. Having incentives I think is great. The

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Speaker 1: city of New York just put in that program where

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Speaker 1: they're going to offer anybody who walks into a vaccine

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Speaker 1: clinic right now one hundred dollars, no questions asked. If

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Speaker 1: you get the I think that's awesome. Exactly what you

469
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Speaker 1: need to do more vacation days, exactly having it so

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Speaker 1: that the companies can give it on site once again,

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Speaker 1: ease of access incentive. That is exactly what people on

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Speaker 1: the fence, and then you just have to live with

473
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Speaker 1: the fact some people are not going to get it.

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Speaker 1: We live in a free country and that's how it is.

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Speaker 1: And having this mandate, you know, I do think that

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Speaker 1: it sends the wrong message because something I've been thinking

477
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Speaker 1: about is you either have to go all in kind

478
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Speaker 1: of the way that France did, where they're like, look,

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Speaker 1: you're not getting on a train unless you get vaccine,

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Speaker 1: not going to a restaurant, Like you will not exist

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Speaker 1: in society if you don't get vaccinated. That's what Israel

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Speaker 1: did too. But they're authoritarian countries, and I don't mean

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Speaker 1: that in like a dictatorship way. What I mean it

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Speaker 1: is that they don't have a bill of rights like

485
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Speaker 1: we have freedom baked into our constitutional system and a

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Speaker 1: federalist system in terms of all fifty states. National vaccine

487
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Speaker 1: mandates are literally impossible in this country, and so otherwise,

488
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Speaker 1: don't you know, creating this like red blue this will

489
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Speaker 1: only culturally make it even worse and more of a

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Speaker 1: hot button issue. And I think focusing on the incentives,

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Speaker 1: emphasizing to workers about their own safety, about their ability

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Speaker 1: to thrive, about maybe they'll get some perks and stuff,

493
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Speaker 1: that's the best way to do it. So I really

494
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Speaker 1: do feel bad for many of the work and the

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Speaker 1: union people who have to deal with this because they're

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Speaker 1: like Biden, you don't know what you're doing here. Man.

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Speaker 1: Forty percent of our people voted for Trump, maybe one

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Speaker 1: third of them won't get vaccinated. You're about to screw

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Speaker 1: us out of our own power and ability to bargain

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Speaker 1: for wages, which is ultimately what I think we should

501
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Speaker 1: care about the most. Well, there has already been a

502
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Speaker 1: long brewing sort of tension between between some union leadership

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Speaker 1: and rank and file because of this sense that their

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Speaker 1: politics at the top are different from what not even

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Speaker 1: a majority, but a large portion of rank and file

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Speaker 1: members and what their political inclination is. So since there

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Speaker 1: used to be a time, and still at the state level,

508
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Speaker 1: there are Republicans who are pro labor, pro union Republicans,

509
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Speaker 1: and so labor unions would endorse more like across the aisle,

510
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Speaker 1: and so there was more of a clear demonstration of like, look, guys,

511
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Speaker 1: this isn't about a partisan affiliation. This is just about

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Speaker 1: the issues that are relevant to our membership and their

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Speaker 1: economic material well being. Well. With Republicans going all in

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Speaker 1: on union busting for decades at this point, especially at

515
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Speaker 1: the federal level, you're pretty hard pressed right a single

516
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Speaker 1: Republican that a union feels like we could endorse them

517
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Speaker 1: and they're going to do anything good for us. So

518
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Speaker 1: that's created this tension already. I do think that a

519
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Speaker 1: vaccine mandate, coming from Joe Biden and coming from union leadership,

520
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Speaker 1: I do think that would be received really poorly. One

521
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Speaker 1: place that I am not sure what I think about

522
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Speaker 1: is I think it gets complicated when you talk about

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Speaker 1: like healthcare workers, when we talk about nurses. I mean,

524
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Speaker 1: if your job is to keep people safe and healthy,

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Speaker 1: and that's your work that you've chosen, and you are

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Speaker 1: in hospital settings or nursing home settings or other institutional

527
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Speaker 1: settings where you have a much more disproportionately vulnerable population.

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Speaker 1: I feel a lot differently about that. You're an ICU nurse, Yes, yeah,

529
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Speaker 1: come on, get the frickin' vaccine. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: your job, this is your livelihood, this is the you know,

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Speaker 1: what you've pledged to do and take care of people.

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Speaker 1: So I do feel different in like those these certain

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Speaker 1: narrow contexts, But in general, I think it's a violation

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Speaker 1: of people's freedoms and I frankly think that it's very counterproductive.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. All right, Hey, so remember

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Speaker 1: show notes. We've got a good story here. You are

543
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Speaker 1: exactly John, very yeah. I mean this is something which

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Speaker 1: if you want to see, where at the heart of

545
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Speaker 1: the grift, the grift of all grifts. Jared Kushner was

546
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Speaker 1: always one of those people you know, had all of

547
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: these these these portfolios in the White House, which he

548
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: had no expertise in. I cannot think of a single

549
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: thing that he accomplished while he was in office, except

550
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: for two things, which was criminal justice reform and that

551
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Speaker 1: Middle East Peace Deal. Now the Middle East Peace Deal,

552
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: he wanted to secure as his legacy. He wanted people

553
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Speaker 1: to hail him for all time as some great peacemaker

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Speaker 1: and all that. You know, it was important, I think generally,

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Speaker 1: But as treat to Parsi is said here on the show,

556
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Speaker 1: it kind of just brought out into the open what

557
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: was already a secret agreement between the golf Are of

558
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Speaker 1: States and Israel. Well, I won't surprise you that Jared

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00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: now wants to leave politics and start an investment firm.

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Speaker 1: So let's put this up there on the screen. So

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Speaker 1: Jared will quote leave politics to launch his investment firm

562
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Speaker 1: in Miami, because of course, and what he wants to

563
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Speaker 1: be doing here is brokering deals between the United States

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Speaker 1: investors and people in foreign countries. And Mark Mazzetti, who's

565
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: reporter let's put this up there, pointed out the most

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Speaker 1: important and key part of this to me, which is

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Speaker 1: that the office that Jared is going to open is

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Speaker 1: also going to be in Israel, pursuing regional investments to

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Speaker 1: connect Israel's economy and India and North Africa in the Gulf.

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Speaker 1: This is so disgusting because read between the lines, and

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Speaker 1: I talked about this previously with Steve Mnushan. Jared Kushner

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Speaker 1: helped negotiate a peace deal while he was in office

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Speaker 1: between Israel and the Golf Arab States, and now that

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Speaker 1: he's out of office quote unquote, he is now opening

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Speaker 1: an investment firm in the United States and in Israel

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Speaker 1: to help take advantage of the commercial opportunities which he created.

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Speaker 1: So how can we not have questions about, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: where you may be doing this peace deal in order

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Speaker 1: to put more money in your pocket. The same thing

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Speaker 1: happened with Steve Mnushan, who is the Treasury Secretary under

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Speaker 1: Trump Immunition immediately leaves, starts a private equity firm and

582
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Speaker 1: starts soliciting money from the Saudi Arabian Sovereign Wealth Fund.

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Speaker 1: And that was a fund he was in charge of

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Speaker 1: regulating while he was the Treasury Secretary. The conflict of

585
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: interest abounds across all of these And you can be like, yeah,

586
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Speaker 1: but everybody does it. Isn't that part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: This guy helped form the conditions on which he is

588
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Speaker 1: now poised to make millions of dollars. I do want

589
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Speaker 1: to say, though, giving his track record in the White House,

590
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Speaker 1: if you give Jared your money to invest, you are

591
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Speaker 1: a grade A idiot. Giving his abilities money, you deserve

592
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Speaker 1: to lose it. I know there's a lot of rich

593
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Speaker 1: people out there who were dumb and will definitely give

594
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Speaker 1: him money, probably like Trump's Marlago memory. Fortunately, I also

595
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Speaker 1: think that this is going to be one of those

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Speaker 1: deals that can't you know, can't possibly fail because there's

597
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Speaker 1: just too much interest in like currying this influence and

598
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Speaker 1: making sure you got this guy in your back pocket. Still,

599
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Speaker 1: if and when Trump runs for the White House, that's

600
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Speaker 1: sure about that pay to play scheme access to Trump,

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Speaker 1: I'll invest in your stupid firm, right, Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's a lot out of politics, but you're still the

603
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Speaker 1: son in law of a former and potentially future president.

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00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, of course, you know, folks in the UAE

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00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: and Bachering and Sudan and miracles of course, everybody everywhere.

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Speaker 1: As an incentive to you know, make sure you get

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Speaker 1: a sweetheart deal, make sure you're taken care of make

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Speaker 1: sure they've got access to you just as a little

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Speaker 1: just in case, as a little insurance policy for the future.

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Speaker 1: So not only are you cashing in on your quote

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Speaker 1: unquote public service by opening this investment firm, but you're

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Speaker 1: also cashing in on potential future access and quote unquote

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Speaker 1: public service. Like you said, it's not like it's entirely

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00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: unique at all, but that doesn't make it any better.

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00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: It's still incredibly gross. This was always the problem to with.

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Speaker 1: Trump is unique in this regard just because he has

617
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Speaker 1: so much more in terms of business interests and global

618
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Speaker 1: business interests than previous presidents, and so with all of

619
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Speaker 1: his actions, you had to ask yourself like, are you

620
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Speaker 1: doing this because you actually think this is the right

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Speaker 1: thing to do. Are you doing this because this is

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Speaker 1: good for your business currently or in the future, or

623
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Speaker 1: good for Avanka or good for Jared or whatever. You

624
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: always have when you have these massive conflicts of interest,

625
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: you have these huge question marks in your mind. And

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Speaker 1: then when Jared goes and does something like this, then

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Speaker 1: you pretty much have confirmation that your questions and your

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Speaker 1: concerns were one hundred percent ballot. And I would be

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Speaker 1: remiss if we didn't mention that Jared's top ally, Tom

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Speaker 1: Barbarrack I think is his name, was just indicted by

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Speaker 1: the federal government for being an unregistered agent of the

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Speaker 1: UAE and using his position as an informal advisor to

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Speaker 1: the White House to push for policies that Emarati officials

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Speaker 1: told him to do so. So he was already this

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Speaker 1: rich guy had involvement with the Inaugural Committee, a top

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Speaker 1: ally of Kushner. He was charged for then taking orders

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00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: on behalf of that government and then lobbying our own

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00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: government informally through excuse me sorry, through an influence network.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I just find this so completely repulsive

640
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: whenever you see the ties between all of this foreign money.

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Speaker 1: It's influence on our national politics, on our national policy,

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00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: on our foreign policy, and then the nakedness of coming

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00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: out of office and then starting an investment firm to

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00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: build on the things while you did weren off. It's

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00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: like the most naked way of cashing in and it's

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Speaker 1: completely and totally legal. Now it's not just Steve Mnushan,

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Speaker 1: it's not just Jared Larry Kudlow and who was the

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Speaker 1: Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross. They're also have bacs, which is

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Speaker 1: what they're called special acquisition vehicles, which I which Paul

650
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Speaker 1: Ryan is also involved in, in in order to take companies

651
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Speaker 1: public through this you know, interesting new financial vehicle way.

652
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Speaker 1: But you just got to ask yourself here, which is

653
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Speaker 1: that isn't okay for people who are in high government

654
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Speaker 1: office to leave and cash out to the tune of

655
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Speaker 1: tens of millions built are directly on their work while

656
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Speaker 1: they're federal government officials now, And I would say, no,

657
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Speaker 1: it's absolutely not. It's discussing when Jay Carney does it

658
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Speaker 1: too and goes over to Amazon all of this, because

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Speaker 1: this is one thing you know, we've talked about a

660
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Speaker 1: lot before, is if you don't think these future potential

661
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Speaker 1: deals and jobs are on people's minds when they're serving

662
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: in office or when they're executing their roles as government

663
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Speaker 1: officials and advisors like of course, of course this is

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Speaker 1: weighing on them. Of course, this incentivizes them to you know,

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Speaker 1: to treat different entities or different nation states in a

666
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Speaker 1: more favorable way because they got their eyes on the prize.

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Speaker 1: When I get out of office, Okay, what am I

668
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Speaker 1: going to do then? Once I can really cash in

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Speaker 1: on all of this it's also worth mentioning you guys

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Speaker 1: probably remember Kushner and his family were in sort of

671
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Speaker 1: big fight, like difficult financial streets because of that building

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Speaker 1: they bought in Manhattan six sixty six whatever Fifth Avenue

673
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Speaker 1: or Tari government bailed them out. Terry government came through,

674
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: happened to come to while Trump was in the White House. Okay,

675
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's totally independent of any favor that they

676
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: were hoping to curry it. I do have to say,

677
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: like the Gulf States were the best at understanding the

678
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Trump mentality. Remember they're very similar his first overseas trip.

679
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've lived here, I lived there. I significant

680
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: amount of time in some of these places too. And

681
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: his very first trip overseas was to Saudi. And remember

682
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Speaker 1: how they treat They put his face on the building.

683
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Speaker 1: I mean, they knew exactly what to do, and of

684
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Speaker 1: course whenever they were in town, they stayed at his

685
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Speaker 1: hotel and they would build more rooms than they could

686
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Speaker 1: possibly need. Just up the bill and make sure it's

687
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Speaker 1: very demonstrated to him that you know they're there, they're

688
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: there to serve whatever his needs may be. That's because

689
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: Trump is like a uniquely golf Arab figure. You know,

690
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: it's like you got to buy you know, how does

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Speaker 1: it work in the Gulf? You pay off some guy's

692
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Speaker 1: brother in law who's in the tribe, and he goes

693
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Speaker 1: to the mirror and he gets a deal for you,

694
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Speaker 1: and like you know, the glitz in the Marbletarian country,

695
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Speaker 1: it's the gold and the ostentatiousness in order to cover

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Speaker 1: for let's just say, a lack of intellectual framework within

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Speaker 1: the society. There's a lot of a there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of similarity between the Trump family and what was happening

699
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Speaker 1: in the Gulf. I remember thinking that Actually, I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: these guys remind me of the of the qataris that

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Speaker 1: I use. Yeah, even stylistically, like if you look at

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Speaker 1: Trump's residences and the styles av in Vogue and yeah

703
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: in Dubai or whatever. Yeah, there's a lot of parallels there. Okay,

704
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Speaker 1: another Trump story that's interesting in terms of his endorsement

705
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Speaker 1: Szagra that you've been looking at. Yeah, so the Trump

706
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: team is in disarray right now. So let's put this

707
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Speaker 1: up there from Axios, which is because he endorsed a

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Speaker 1: candidate in the special election for the Texas sixth district,

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Speaker 1: which is ended up losing. And this is very important

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Speaker 1: because the candidate he endorsed, Susan Wright, came in a

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Speaker 1: Republican runoff with Jake Elsey. And the thing is is

712
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Speaker 1: that for a long time people have been very afraid

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Speaker 1: of having Trump's endorsement of their opponent. AVI. We see

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Speaker 1: that in the case of Liz Cheney, we see that

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Speaker 1: in the case of Lisa mccowski. But this is the

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Speaker 1: first time in a while that Trump has actually endorsed

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Speaker 1: somebody who ended up losing the primary in a special election.

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Speaker 1: And I think the reason why this is so significant

719
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Speaker 1: is because there are a number of cases across the

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Speaker 1: country where this is about to be put to the

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Speaker 1: test in a much bigger way. Now, look, it's a

722
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Speaker 1: special election, but at the same time, it's Texas, right,

723
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Speaker 1: Texas District. This is a hard Republican district. And within

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Speaker 1: the story you can see a lot of Trump allies

725
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: blaming the Club for Growth President David McIntosh. But Trump

726
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: wasn't just silent here like he or sorry. He wasn't

727
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: just didn't just endorse somebody. He really kind of went

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Speaker 1: out of his way. He held like a special town

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Speaker 1: hall the night before for her so he took I

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Speaker 1: mean time out of the schedule is packed. Pack put

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Speaker 1: in one hundred k right, So like the stretch when

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Speaker 1: they realized he might be in trouble. This is really

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Speaker 1: not a joke in terms of the institutional support that

734
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Speaker 1: he gave and he ended up losing. So what they

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Speaker 1: describe as the aura of in vincent which actually is

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Speaker 1: pretty important for Trump in a lot of these primaries,

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Speaker 1: I think it is. There's a lot of people here

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Speaker 1: in DC who are going to take notice of the

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00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: fact that it didn't come through. Now, look, I don't

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Speaker 1: want people to take this like he's losing control or whatever.

741
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Speaker 1: He's the most popular Republican in the country buy a

742
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Speaker 1: country mile. But remember that even just a little bit

743
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Speaker 1: of the aura of invincibility shedding, who would actually open

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00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: up kind of a new space. I don't think it's

745
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: going to look like never Trump or whatever. But I

746
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Speaker 1: do think that his inability in order to win maybe

747
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Speaker 1: three or four or five different different special elections that

748
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Speaker 1: would actually change the calculus of people and their behavior

749
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Speaker 1: here in Washington and the way that they interact with

750
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Speaker 1: Trump or like how much they kiss his ass in public, yeah,

751
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: and more, which actually would drive him crazy if he

752
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: doesn't think that he has control like that. So I've

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00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: got one big caveat on this race, and then a

754
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: couple of other indications that maybe his luck grip on

755
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Speaker 1: the party. I mean, again, I don't want to ever

756
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: say these things, but there's a couple of little question

757
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: marks here. So the caveat on this particular race is

758
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: it was a special election. As you point out, there

759
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: was an initial vote with like thirty candidates or whatever,

760
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: and the top two out of that, because nobody came

761
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Speaker 1: out with fifty percent, the top two were both Republicans.

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Speaker 1: So this wasn't actually a Republican primary vote. This was

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Speaker 1: the special election. And so what that means is that

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Speaker 1: this district was not an overwhelming Trump list. I think

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Speaker 1: you won it by maybe six points or something. I'm

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Speaker 1: making that up, but it's somewhere in that realm of marchin, Okay.

767
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Speaker 1: So in this race, Democrats and independence could also run,

768
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Speaker 1: could also vote rather. So there's one theory of the

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Speaker 1: case is that because his candidate, you know, was leaning

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Speaker 1: really hard into I'm the Trump candidate, I'm the Trump candidate.

771
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Speaker 1: He's recording robocalls and pac money's flowing in and the

772
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Speaker 1: ads that she was running were all about like Trump

773
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Speaker 1: is with me, et cetera, et cetera. That that may

774
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Speaker 1: have actually hardened the Democrat and independent vote for him,

775
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Speaker 1: who came out for the other dude who ended up

776
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Speaker 1: ultimately winning by about six points. So that's so. I

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Speaker 1: think that's an important caveat of the dynamics of this

778
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Speaker 1: race and why it's a little different than if you

779
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Speaker 1: just have like a Republican primary head to head. There's

780
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Speaker 1: an Ohio race coming up I believe next week. Yeah, right,

781
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Speaker 1: that's another significant one that he endorsed in, So we'll

782
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Speaker 1: see what the results of are that for that one

783
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Speaker 1: and whether he comes out on top there. However, there

784
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Speaker 1: were two other things that I thought were noteworthy. First

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Speaker 1: of all, Trump came out vociferously against this infrastructure deal

786
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Speaker 1: that just passed a key procedural hurdle last night in

787
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Speaker 1: the Senate that we were telling you about, and that

788
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell supported that. A lot of Republicans came on

789
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: board and supported Trump put out this statement saying, it's

790
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Speaker 1: hard to believe our Senate Republicans are dealing with the

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Speaker 1: radical left Democrats and making a so called bipartisan bill

792
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Speaker 1: on infrastructure with our negotiations, our negotiators headed up by

793
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Speaker 1: super Rhino Mitt Romney. This will be a victory for

794
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: the Biden administration and Democrats and will be heavily used

795
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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty two election. It is a loser

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Speaker 1: for the USA, A terrible deal. Makes the Republicans look weak, foolish,

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Speaker 1: and dumb. It should not be done. Pretty unequivocal there,

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Speaker 1: and yet a lot of Republicans bucked what he wanted

799
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Speaker 1: them to do and went and voted for it anyway.

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Speaker 1: So that's interesting. That's a good point. The other thing

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Speaker 1: that was noteworthy to me is that Newsmax, which really

802
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: billed itself as like the pre eminent Trump channel, and

803
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: we covered and they got a lot of attention, went

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Speaker 1: on like one night they beat Fox News during all

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00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: the stop the steel madness. Of course Fox you know,

806
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Speaker 1: they took a lot of heat from the conservative base

807
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Speaker 1: because they called Arizona and they were less like all

808
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: in on the stop the steel stuff. So news Max

809
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: gained a lot of ground during that interim time before

810
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Speaker 1: Biden was inaugurated. Well, since January, they've lost half of

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Speaker 1: their audience and they still lean into this strategy of

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Speaker 1: taking all the Trump speeches, all the Trump rallies, et cetera,

813
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: et cetera. It's just not paying dividends like it used to.

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Speaker 1: So that's another sign. And we've covered others of how

815
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Speaker 1: the internet traffic, it searches for him, etcetera, etcetera, have

816
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: gone way down. So those are some interesting other pieces

817
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: to add to the mix of where he stands and

818
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: turns terms of both the Republican Party but sort of

819
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Speaker 1: the public written large. So that's important because a Trump

820
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Speaker 1: which controls seventy percent of the GOP is different than

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Speaker 1: a Trump that controls ninety percent of the GOP. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or ninety five percent of the GOP. I think at

823
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Speaker 1: one point whenever he was running, he had like ninety

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Speaker 1: something percent approval rating within the Republican Party, so diminished

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Speaker 1: even though you can have like the super majority who

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Speaker 1: support you, having some who are willing to buck the trend,

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Speaker 1: that does actually change some of the calculus, at least

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Speaker 1: in the way that the lawmakers are going to behave

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Speaker 1: here in DC. And then the same thing is true

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Speaker 1: in terms of public in So if it is the

831
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Speaker 1: case that Democrats and independence came out specifically despite him.

832
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Speaker 1: It shows that the twenty twenty effect of we hate Trump,

833
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Speaker 1: we will do anything in order to screw this guy over,

834
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Speaker 1: as in voting for Biden, still holds true, which would

835
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Speaker 1: mean that, yes, if you're in a red state, it's

836
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Speaker 1: great to be endorsed by Trump, but if you're in

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Speaker 1: a any sort of battleground state, stay the hell away.

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Speaker 1: As I understand it, what's his name, Glenn Youngkin, who

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Speaker 1: is running for government, He's like, get the hell out

840
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Speaker 1: of here, mister president. And becausey mccauliffe is the Democrat

841
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: bashing him over the head with his day like he's Trump,

842
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: he's the Trump. You don't want to vote for Trump

843
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Speaker 1: in Virginia. So, I mean that is very Smarling, that's

844
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Speaker 1: very revealing. Right, So Glenn Youngkin basically is getting Trump's endorsement,

845
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Speaker 1: and from all the inside reporting He's like, dude, I

846
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: don't want this. I don't want you talking about me.

847
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: Pretend I don't exist, you leave me alone. Trump, of coorse,

848
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: can't help himself, is like inserting himself, and Glenn Youngkin

849
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Speaker 1: can't publicly say, oh, you know, I don't want his

850
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Speaker 1: endorsement or whatever, because then he wouldn't get the base

851
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: to come out. But Terry mccaullo, who's running against Glenn,

852
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: is hitting this guy over the head every day. Trumpkin, Trumpkin,

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00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: Trump can you all the time? At least from what

854
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Speaker 1: I have observed within the race. And I'm like, oh,

855
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Speaker 1: so this, you know, Glenn Youngkin will probably lose by

856
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Speaker 1: a decent amount and a lot of these Northern Virginia

857
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Speaker 1: Democrats are going to come out and be like, screw Trump.

858
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: That's like a you know, a screw a big motivator,

859
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: big motivator for a lot of these people. So I

860
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: just think that this is a very revealing insight not

861
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: only to his power within the Republican Party, but how

862
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: and his ability to inspire both hatred and love from

863
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: different parts of the electric. It's the Trump effect in politics,

864
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: Like this is really what it looks, totally totally polarized.

865
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not a big Terry McCullough fan, but he's

866
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: pretty savvy, pologized the same thing us, right, he was

867
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: a pretty popular governor previously. It would be a huge

868
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: upset at this point if Young Cain was to win

869
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: in Virginia. But I don't think I don't think anyone

870
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: should take anything for granted at this point, because I

871
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: do think Republicans have a lot of momentum right now.

872
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: I do think the midterms are going to be really

873
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: tough for Democrats just because of history, and I also

874
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: just think there's more energy and more fury and more

875
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: all of those things that turn people out to vote

876
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: in midterm elections. Over on the Republican side, Democrats have,

877
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, a bad sort of situation or landscape in

878
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: terms of the way districts have been jerrymandered. So Virginia

879
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: always the first canary in the coal mine of what

880
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: the trends are likely to be in those midterm elections.

881
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: When it was just after Obama was elected in two

882
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, Bob McDonald beats Creed Dead's the Democrat

883
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even close. I remember that back then.

884
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: And then you have, you know, shift to to to

885
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: Terry mcauff, and then you get Ralph Northam to Democrats,

886
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: and that sort of solidifies Virginia's relatively blue status as

887
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: dominated by the Northern Virginia suburbs. So definitely want to

888
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: keep your eye on. Yeah, as we mentioned before, I

889
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: sat down yesterday, Senator Sanders, who obviously is a very

890
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: busy man at this point, gave me thirty minutes of

891
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: his time to delve deep into the reconciliation bill that

892
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: was really the thing that he was most excited about

893
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: talking about. He also spent some time aggressively trashing the media,

894
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: which was interesting and I actually think that's why he

895
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: wanted to because they reached out to me. We actually

896
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: didn't approach them because he felt so frustrated that he

897
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: never gets a single substantive question from mainstream media, which

898
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: I also thought was just interesting and telling in terms

899
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: of his mindset. But I tried to push him on.

900
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: His impression of the Biden administration seems to be very

901
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: different from my impression of the Biden administration. Right, He

902
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: still uses this language sometimes about FDR. He certainly sees

903
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: his reconciliation bill as incredibly significant, and I do think

904
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: it's fair to say if the three and a half

905
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: trillion dollars gets through as it is now, it is

906
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: quite significant. Is it everything we would, of course not,

907
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: but universal prey and free community college and investments in

908
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: climate and all of these things like these are good

909
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: and significant and long term things. The child tax credit

910
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: I did a whole thing here about how significant that

911
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: ultimately is. But he seems to have this view that

912
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: Biden is really doing everything he can and like that

913
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: this is historic and it's different from the way that

914
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: past democratic presidents have acted. Of course, I very much disagree.

915
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't understand why we're allowing Senate parliamentarian to dictate

916
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: what the agenda is going to be. I don't understand

917
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: why you're just going along with keeping the filibuster this

918
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: arcane centate procedure in place. I don't understand why you're

919
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: not using executive actions to do many of the things

920
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: that you could ultimately do. So we had a little

921
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: exchange on that. Let's take a listen. Well, whatever reason,

922
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: you know, Biden came into office and you looked around

923
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: him and you said, you know what, climate is an

924
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: existential threat. We have got to deal with it. Yes,

925
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: the working class has been decimated for decades now, we

926
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: have got to addrust that. So what he did that, No, President,

927
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: do you correct me if you think I'm misstating this.

928
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: What he did said, well, we're going to spend three

929
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: percent more here and five percent more there. What he said,

930
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: these are the issues we are going to deal with

931
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: the needs of the children. We are going to deal

932
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: with the needs of the elda, we are going to

933
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: deal with climb, we are going to deal with paid family,

934
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: and medically, we are going to deal with housing. Virtually

935
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: every major crisis that we are facing, he is prepared

936
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: to deal with. I have not seen a president in

937
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: my lifetime who has done that. Am I wrong? I

938
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: see that perspective, But I also see a president who's

939
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: willing to let a lot of those agenda items be

940
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: killed by the filibuster and the parliamentarium. Well, but again,

941
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to get defend them. I think the

942
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: point you made a few minutes ago is exactly right

943
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: in this critical moment when we're dealing with the future

944
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: of the planet, when we're dealing with the future of democracy.

945
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: You know what, I think majority should rule and not

946
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: I believe that strongly. But don't think that he can

947
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: snap his fingers no matter what he may they not

948
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: believe and make things happen. All right, there, Senators. There

949
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: are certain things he could do though through executive for example,

950
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: canceling student debt. Yeah, that's right, that's right. There are

951
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: things he can legalizing marijuana, she could potentially doturing executive order,

952
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: and so there hasn't been a willingness even though he says, yes,

953
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: I support the fifteen dollars minimum wage, Yes, I support

954
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: the proact to use all the tools that are at

955
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: his disposal to actually make those things happen. You're absolutely

956
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: sure that is that fair? No? I mean, in other words,

957
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: you do not know about the discussions that he has

958
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: with people who walk into his office. So it's wrong

959
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: to assume that when you're dealing with the United States

960
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: cenator who does not want to end the fellow bustle,

961
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: that he can go in there and say, hey, I

962
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: want you to do that. No, so don't give the president,

963
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: although he could do what you proposed. When you were

964
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: asked on the trail, how would you deal with Senator Mansion,

965
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: he said, I go to West Virginia, I do the rally.

966
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: I'd call him out right. I mean, there are things

967
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: you could do. All that I'm saying, do not minimize

968
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: mean and I don't want to get into personalities, but

969
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: sure any member of the United States Senate UH has

970
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: the power to kill this thing. And to think that

971
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: the president alone can change that, there's not one hundred

972
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: percent correctly. Sure, but there are executive actions that he

973
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: could and other things that we can agree on. I

974
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: am not yes, you know, yeah, Joe Biden and I marijuana.

975
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: I think the war on drugs has been just the

976
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: disaster for this country, for the African American community. I

977
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: think it should end. I think marijuana should be legalizing. Right,

978
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: we do that Philly simply. But yeah, so we have differences,

979
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: but on this piece of legislation, at the end of

980
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: the day, if we are successful, if you know, this

981
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: will be a major, major achievement. It's interesting, Crystal, Yeah,

982
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. Couldn't really disagree. I don't really know

983
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: who this guy is. When did when did mister institutionalist?

984
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: I gotta say, this is very very out of character

985
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: for him. It makes sense in the context of your

986
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: interview for or Look, Bernie, the reason he's talking this way,

987
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: he's sending budget chairman. Yeah, which is frankly, at least

988
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: at this moment, one of the what is he probably

989
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: the third most powerful person Washington behind Chuck scha I

990
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: mean at this exact moment, yeah, because he is that.

991
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: And I actually talked to him about I asked him,

992
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: do you still see yourself as an outsider, because you know,

993
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what his that's been hit, that's

994
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: been who he has been for forty years. You know,

995
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: even when he was Mayor Berling, he was still the outside.

996
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: He's a socialist mayor, right, probably the only one in

997
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: the country at the time. And then you're this scene

998
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: as this gadfly in the house, and then you're seen

999
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: as this gad fly in the Senate and you're just

1000
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: down there throwing bombs, you're taking the ninety nine to

1001
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: one votes and all of that stuff. And now you're

1002
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: in the room. Now you're the one who's who's thinking

1003
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: about like, oh god, I gotta not say anything that's

1004
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: gonna piss off Dr Mansion and lose his spoor because

1005
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: I gotta get this and you could see that very cleoly.

1006
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: I got to get this bill done. But it's not

1007
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: in his nature to spin in the way that most

1008
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: politicians do, so he just sort of grants, like he's like, yeah, right, yeah,

1009
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: you're right, well yeah, dude, but what are we going

1010
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: to do? Are you going to do something about it?

1011
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: Are going to say anything about it? I just can't, okay.

1012
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: Compared to what he was on the campaign. I don't

1013
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: think campaign person would accept any of these excuses. The

1014
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: other pieces, you know we talked about. Uh And by

1015
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: the way, the whole interview thirty minutes long, which I

1016
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: do think is very revealing of his current mindset, his

1017
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: current role, how he sees himself is in a different

1018
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: place than where he was in other years, et cetera.

1019
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: Et cetera. Is going to be on Crystal Colin Friends tomorrow,

1020
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: so you can sub on substack in order to see

1021
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: the whole thing, which I do think is worth a watch.

1022
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: And he does say some things about the media that

1023
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: y'all are going to appreciate. But I do think that

1024
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: I also pushed him on, Okay, why is it only

1025
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: the Mansions and the Gottheimer's and the salt tax Caucus

1026
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: over there in the House. Why are they always the

1027
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: ones who are willing to walk away? And progressives we

1028
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: don't see that, we don't see red lines drawn, and

1029
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: we're going to withhold our support. You know. He felt

1030
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: like maybe some of what's being done by the Progressive

1031
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: Caucus isn't being seen publicly that you know this, behind

1032
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: the scenes, they're very influential, and so the bills are.

1033
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: He framed it as like the bills are coming out

1034
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: in a more progressive direction, so that's happening ahead of time,

1035
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: and then it's the right wing that's trying to pull

1036
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: it back. I just don't agree with that when you see,

1037
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen dollars minimum wage off the table, public

1038
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: option off the table. He did say that lowering the

1039
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: Medicare age may still be possible within this reconciliation bill,

1040
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: so we'll see. All the climate change for visions were

1041
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: stripped down of the bipartisan Infrastructure bill, like a lot

1042
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: of progressive priorities. Frankly, no progressive priority has been implemented

1043
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: yet on a permanent basis. There were some short term

1044
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: things in the relief bill that were very good, but

1045
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to me to celebrate, like, Okay, you had

1046
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: these short term things which reduce poverty and were great,

1047
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: but are we actually going to get to any of

1048
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: these bigger, broader programs that we're talking about. And I

1049
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: think he would himself say like, don't know where. It's

1050
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: a work in progress and we'll see. So very interesting conversation. Yeah,

1051
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: it was. I'm you know, I think watching the full

1052
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: thing is important for people because in understanding and watching

1053
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: this outsider become the Senate Budget Chairman, And yeah, I

1054
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: love how he's defending Biden. He's like, you don't know

1055
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: what's going on in the open. Yeah, I'm like, what

1056
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: happened to you? You're right? And I said, well, he

1057
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: could do. Because this is something that drives me crazy

1058
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: is Barack Obama does the same thing and pretending like

1059
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: the votes are set and there's nothing you can do,

1060
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: and as the president you're totally powerless. And it's like

1061
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: you had an answer for that. You got asked this

1062
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: question all the time on the trail. You had an

1063
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: answer for it. You were going to go to their districts,

1064
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: you were going to be in West Virginia. You were

1065
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: going to put the pressure on and look, maybe it

1066
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: works and maybe it doesn't, but you can at least try. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And again he's he can't really, it's not in his

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Speaker 1: nature to spin, so he just kind of has to

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Speaker 1: be like it just sits there. You're kind of right,

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Speaker 1: Jazik Yep. Correct. Wow, you guys must really like listening

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Speaker 1: to our voices. Well, I know this is annoying. Instead

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Speaker 1: of making you listen to a Viagra commercial when you're done.

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Speaker 1: Check out the other podcast I do with Marshall Kasloff

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Speaker 1: called The Realignment. We talk a lot about the deeper

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Speaker 1: issues that are changing, realigning in American society. You always

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Speaker 1: need more Crystal and Zag in your daily lives. Take

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Speaker 1: care guys, All right, Zach, what are you looking at? Well?

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Speaker 1: As I said before on the show, there's nothing I

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Speaker 1: love more than I told you so. The CDC, bowing

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Speaker 1: to pressure from the insane public health establishment and the media,

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Speaker 1: is now reversing its guidance for vaccinated Americans, asking them

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Speaker 1: to wear masks in some quote unquote high risk areas,

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00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: bowing to mass elite panic, bucking the science, and dealing

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Speaker 1: probably the biggest blow yet to pro vax sentiment now.

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Speaker 1: As I have said Monday, bringing back mass mandates sends

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Speaker 1: a signal that the vaccines do not work to the

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Speaker 1: people who are on the fence. From the beginning, the

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Speaker 1: message to the unvaccinated has been simple. If you get vaccinated,

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Speaker 1: you will not die from COVID and all pandemic restrictions

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00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: are over. But now the message is muddled. Why even

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Speaker 1: bother to get a vaccine if you still have to

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00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: wear a mask and live differently. It is nonsensical and

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00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: mark my words, we are going to see a dip

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Speaker 1: in vaccination appointments. But what really gets me is the

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Speaker 1: final proof that the CDC is a clown organization which

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Speaker 1: does not concern itself with science, but instead concerns itself

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Speaker 1: with the feelings of the liberal intelligentsia. Let's consider what

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Speaker 1: the liberal intelligentsia and the CDC are so worried about.

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Speaker 1: The CDC and doctor Fauci say the situation has fundamentally changed.

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Speaker 1: Fauci himself told CNN yesterday, quote, we are living with

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Speaker 1: a fundamentally different virus, and yet are we The answer

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Speaker 1: is no. As Glenn Greenwald highlights from the Highlights in

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Speaker 1: this New York Times off ed, it has always been

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Speaker 1: known people can still get COVID after they've been vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: The point is now COVID is not a deadly threat

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Speaker 1: to the most vulnerable part of our population, the elder

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00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: and to make the virus less deadly, to make those

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Speaker 1: who get it that has worked. Who cares if the

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00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: case number is up? What matters is are hospitals overflowing?

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Speaker 1: Are people dying in the thousands every day? The answer

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00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: to both of those questions, is no, absolutely not. The

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Speaker 1: difference between rising cases today and rising cases a year

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Speaker 1: ago is now the people who might actually die from

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Speaker 1: COVID are protected, or they have been given every chance

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Speaker 1: that they have to protect themselves if they wish. It

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Speaker 1: is not just me saying this. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: the CDC director herself just two months ago on freaking

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Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow's program, assuring her vaccines work. Mask can come

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Speaker 1: off and they protect against variants. So I again forgive

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Speaker 1: me for speaking in personal terms, and I don't mean

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Speaker 1: to be too blunt about this, but how sure are

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Speaker 1: you because this feels like a really big change. We're sure.

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Speaker 1: There's an extraordinary amount of evidence now that demonstrates the

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Speaker 1: vaccines are working in the real world, in cohort studies,

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Speaker 1: in care facilities in across all states, that these vaccines

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Speaker 1: are working the way they worked in the clinical trials. Importantly,

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Speaker 1: there's also new data, just even in the last two weeks,

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Speaker 1: the demonstrates of these vaccines are working in against the

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Speaker 1: variants that we have circulating here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: And also data has emerged that has demonstrated that if

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Speaker 1: you are vaccinated, you are less likely not likely to

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Speaker 1: asymptomatically shed the virus and give it to others. So

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Speaker 1: it is this coalescing of all the evidence now that

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Speaker 1: tells us really it is safe to take off. So

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Speaker 1: what changed? Nothing changed? And to add insult injury, the

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Speaker 1: new CDC guidance doesn't make any goddamn sense. Things are

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Speaker 1: so bad. Even freaking CNN can see the holes in

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Speaker 1: the new guidance, which are basing mass guidance on case

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Speaker 1: counts on hospitalization rates. Here's a quote from Oliver Darcy,

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Speaker 1: who is probably as far across the spectrum from me

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Speaker 1: as it gets quote. The disparity in vaccination rates means

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Speaker 1: a positive case in state like New York is far

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Speaker 1: different than a positive case in state like Louisiana. The

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00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 1: CDC's own hospitalization data bears this out. Louisiana is seeing

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Speaker 1: a spike in hospitalizations while New York is not. And

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00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: yet CDC guidance treats parts of New York exactly the

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Speaker 1: same way it treats Louisiana. It doesn't make much sense, exactly.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make much sense to anyone with a brain

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Speaker 1: that can understand this basic fact. For a long time,

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Speaker 1: I resisted the canard that a lot of my geoprefriends

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Speaker 1: told me, which is that many liberals simply cannot let

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Speaker 1: go of pandemic restrictions, that their brains had been rotted

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Speaker 1: by Trump. I knew it was true to a certain extent,

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Speaker 1: but I had faith that normal people would rebel against

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Speaker 1: nonsensical restrictions. However, as liberals would be beaten into submission

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Speaker 1: by the overwhelming desire to just move on, I thought

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Speaker 1: it would stand. But I will freely admit that these

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Speaker 1: people have lost their minds, abandoned the science completely. The

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Speaker 1: consequences for this are really dire, because, as with all things,

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Speaker 1: this is a story of class more than anything, the

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Speaker 1: people who are freaking out about rising cases are the

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Speaker 1: most likely to be vaccinated. You want proof the moment

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Speaker 1: after the announcement, the freaking White House, where literally the

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Speaker 1: entire staff is vaccinated, is going to be wearing masks. Why, seriously,

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Speaker 1: who cares if one of them gets a breakthrough a

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Speaker 1: case of COVID. It is not a threat to anyone

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Speaker 1: in that building. The White House Corresponds Association announced the

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Speaker 1: same policy again for a group that is almost entirely vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: None of this has anything to do with science, with

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Speaker 1: threats to people's lives or getting vaccinated. It has to

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Speaker 1: do with control and fear, irrational fear for which I

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Speaker 1: blame the media in the early days of the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: who sought to conflate every case increase with COVID with

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Speaker 1: the need for lockdowns, without ever teaching the supposedly smartest

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Speaker 1: people in our society that the cases themselves are not

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Speaker 1: what we're worried about. Vaccines have rendered the case number mood.

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Speaker 1: They have severed completely the link between cases and death,

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Speaker 1: as that graphic shows you. And yet simply the inability

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Speaker 1: for the media and apparently the public health establishment to

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Speaker 1: internalize this fact is going to wreak havoc on our

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Speaker 1: civil society for decades to come. At this point, millions

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Speaker 1: simply do not trust what the CDC says at all,

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Speaker 1: and you know why should the A Twitter sleuth pointed

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Speaker 1: out to me yesterday that the CDC's main justification for

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Speaker 1: mask mandates and the claim that vaccinated Americans can spew

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Speaker 1: as much viral load as unvaccinated Americans is not even

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Speaker 1: based on a model from the United States. It's based

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Speaker 1: on a model out of India, which has completely different

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Speaker 1: vaccines than the ones that we use here. This is psychotic,

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Speaker 1: It is not even based upon real science. Like with

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Speaker 1: all things in America, COVID is hyper politicized. Nobody is

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Speaker 1: doing any real digging into what's going on here. Pandemic

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Speaker 1: restrictions themselves are an article of faith to many liberals

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Speaker 1: and for many conservatives, proudly not getting vax as a

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Speaker 1: statement even if you're obese and high diabetes. The longer

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Speaker 1: this hysteria marches through our institutions, the further divided we

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Speaker 1: will all be. My prediction on the announcement is this,

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Speaker 1: upper middle class liberals will wear masks social distance, enforce

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Speaker 1: them on their kids unjustly forever. The actually vulnerable, we'll

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Speaker 1: look at the CDC nonsense, not wear a mask. They're

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Speaker 1: going to get sick, and inevitably, when the New York

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Speaker 1: Times and others start agitating for many lockdowns in the winter,

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Speaker 1: they will bear the brunt. They'll get kicked on employment.

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Speaker 1: They're going to lose their job, lose their ability to

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Speaker 1: attend an AA meeting. Class stratification will widen. I had

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Speaker 1: been hopeful a month ago we may avoid that scenario,

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Speaker 1: but increasingly seeing these establishment liberals reach for the mask

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Speaker 1: and the mandates. The slightest sign of an increase in

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Speaker 1: cases shows how much these people will never relinquish power

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Speaker 1: over other people's lives. They don't believe themselves in the

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Speaker 1: life saving power of the vaccine that they supposedly champion.

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Speaker 1: That's the part that really gets me, Crystal, I believe

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Speaker 1: in the vaccine. One more thing, I promise. Just wanted

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Speaker 1: to make sure you knew about my podcast with Kyle Kolinski.

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Speaker 1: It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where we do long

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Speaker 1: form interviews with people like Nom Chomsky, Cornell West, and

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Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any podcast platform, or

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Speaker 1: you can subscribe over on substack to get the video

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Speaker 1: a day early. We're going to stop bugging you now.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy Crystal, what are you taking a look at? Well? Guys?

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Speaker 1: I was going to stay out of this, really I was,

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Speaker 1: but the reaction to Simone Biles dropping on the Olympics

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Speaker 1: has just been too irresistible for me to resist. Some

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Speaker 1: of y'all are suddenly way too invested in women's gymnastics.

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Speaker 1: I am glad that Simone made the decision she thought

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Speaker 1: was right for her and that was it. That was

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Speaker 1: pretty much the end of my emotional commitment to this

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Speaker 1: entire story. At first, I also wasn't really buying the

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Speaker 1: idea that doing so with some tremendous act of bravery.

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Speaker 1: It seemed more to me like an impressive act of

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Speaker 1: self knowledge more than anything else. She's been at this

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Speaker 1: sport a long time. She knew she wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: be able to perform well. That would have both hurt

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Speaker 1: her team's chances and put herself at risk of significant

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Speaker 1: physical injury, which is an important note there. She recognized that,

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Speaker 1: she listened to it, she acted on it good. Some

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Speaker 1: ephemeral sports glory really isn't worth all that. Now, I

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Speaker 1: felt my own sentiments most reflected in Tim Dillon's take.

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Speaker 1: He said, I have no issue with her not competing,

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Speaker 1: as I believe the Olympics itself is a scam and

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Speaker 1: a waste of everyone's time. Well said, That's pretty much

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Speaker 1: my take as well. So anyway, I was content to

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Speaker 1: leave it at that, But after seeing some of the responses,

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Speaker 1: I found my mind being changed on whether or not

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Speaker 1: this was actually an act of bravery, because facing this

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Speaker 1: level of derangement definitely takes some courage, and she certainly

1247
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Speaker 1: knew what she would be in for. Also, the excessive

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Speaker 1: overreaction from some corners caused me to question whether what

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Speaker 1: she did was really as inconsequential as I had initially thought. So.

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Speaker 1: As some examples here, here's the spectator calling Biles a quitter,

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Speaker 1: saying she let down her teammates and her country. Please,

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Speaker 1: letting down your country is lying about WMD's or bailing

1253
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: out Wall Street or drone striking innocent civilians and then

1254
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Speaker 1: throwing the man who exposed those drone strikes in prison.

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Speaker 1: That is letting down your country. Not doing a gymnastics

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Speaker 1: routine is not letting down your country. This guy, who's

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Speaker 1: apparently the CEO of right wing Babylon b News, said

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Speaker 1: that Simone Biles just said, sitting out the big competition

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Speaker 1: shows how strong you really are. That's like saying soldiers

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Speaker 1: who run away from battle are courageous. Cowardice is not courage.

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Speaker 1: Weaknesses not strength. Great athletes understand this. Obviously a rather

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Speaker 1: simplistic take, lacking in humanity whatsoever. Also, the Olympics are

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Speaker 1: not a war. The uneven bars are not a battlefield.

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Speaker 1: And for the record, soldiers who refuse to fight in

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Speaker 1: unjust wars. They are in fact rather courageous. But by

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Speaker 1: far the most dranged response I've seen yet came from

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. I just said she's probably the greatest gymnast

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Speaker 1: of all time. She's also very selfish, she's immature, and

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Speaker 1: she is a shame to the country. She's totally a sociopath.

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Speaker 1: Of course she's a sociopath. Andrew says she's not a sociopath.

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Speaker 1: What kind of person skips the gold medal match? Who

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Speaker 1: does that? It's a shame to the nation. You just

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Speaker 1: gave a gift to the Russians. Don't show up if

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Speaker 1: you're not ready for the big time. We got thousands

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Speaker 1: of young female gymnasts that would love to take the place, thousands.

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Speaker 1: Simone Biles just showed the rest of the nation that

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Speaker 1: when things get tough, you shatter into a million pieces.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, first of all, by far my favorite

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Speaker 1: part is when he says she gave a gift to

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Speaker 1: the Russians. A gift to the Russians? Did you just

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: walk off an MSNBC set? What is this? Must we

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01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: cold war every single aspect of our entire culture, whenever

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01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: it is even mildly convenient to your point. Yeah, Putin

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Speaker 1: loves Simone Biles, she's a useful idiot for the crown,

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Speaker 1: and please stop. But a larger point is that it's

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Speaker 1: rather perplexing to me just how emotionally invested in this

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk is. She's ashamed in the nation. She's a

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01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: selfish sociopath. What a strangely personal take. Why does this

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Speaker 1: matter so much to you? What You're a big women's

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Speaker 1: gymnastics enthusiasts, Now you're deeply invested in how many metals

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Speaker 1: the US accumulates in the Olympics corporate broadcasting spectacle. I

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01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: just really didn't get it. Now. The obvious explanation that

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01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: many others positive is that these guys seem to get

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01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: very worked up anytime someone doesn't match some weird machismo,

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Speaker 1: tough guy warrior stereotype. Yes, Simone, of course is a woman,

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Speaker 1: but she's making America look weak, and therefore she's making

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Speaker 1: me look weak or something like that. I don't really know.

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Speaker 1: It's almost as if their own masculinity and strength may

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Speaker 1: be somewhat less than secure. But I actually think a

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01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,479
Speaker 1: more meaningful explanation has to do with the danger pose

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01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: by people who step out of line. Simone had a

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Speaker 1: script written for for this Olympics. Be the number one star,

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01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: the goat, not just in gymnastics, but for the entire games.

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Speaker 1: Perform flips for the audience, a few inspirational words, provide

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01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: a heart pounding kick to some corporate ads, and then

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01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: right off into the sunset because at twenty four or well,

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01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: we're pretty much done with you. We have seen this

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01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: narrative arc performed by countless Olympic athletes over the years,

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Speaker 1: time and time again. Well, she didn't follow that script.

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01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: She asserted herself as an actual, full human being who

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Speaker 1: had priorities that didn't match up with that script or

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01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 1: the viewing audience's desires, and affirmatively decided not to conform.

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Speaker 1: And when you think about it that way, that message

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01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: actually is kind of dangerous. So it makes sense that

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01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: is bizarrely agitating to a non trivial part of the population. Now.

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01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: I know Charlie thinks of himself as a real renegade

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01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: and a free thinker and all of that, but the

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01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: truth is his entire ideology is in service of the

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01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: existing status quo. He's funded by a typical slate of

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Speaker 1: Republican donors, a typical slate of DC conservative organizations and

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01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: think tanks. His career is dependent on his proximity to

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01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: power in the person of Donald J. Trump. He is

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: a fierce defender of the status quo with an outsider esthetic,

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01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: and his status and career depends on how you full

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01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: he is to current power structures. So looking at it

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Speaker 1: through that lens, his seeming overreaction to Simone Biles started

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01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: to make a little bit more sense to me. For

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01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: a bipartisan example, here, you might recall how threatened Barack

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: Obama was by the NBA's decision to strike in solidarity

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01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: with Black Lives Matter protest. A similar instance, I might

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: say of athletes failing to follow the pre approved script.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that our friend Iramy remembered it. He

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Speaker 1: pointed it out on Twitter and also pointed out to me.

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Speaker 1: Obama doesn't say anything about much at all. You won't

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01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: find him offering one word of encouragement to the Freido

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: lay workers or striking miners, for example. But wow, did

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01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: he jump on the phones to get the NBA players

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01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,520
Speaker 1: back on the court, back to dribbling, playing their prescribed

1339
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: role for spectators and for corporates and as Iramy also

1340
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: points out, Obama was recently rewarded for his role as

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01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: corporate enforcer, a kind of presidential pinkerton. With an equity

1342
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: stake in NBA Africa. He'll be a strategic partner, a

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01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: minority owner. How nice for him. By the way, we've

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: got irore Me on an upcoming episode of Crystal Collin

1345
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: Friends laying all of this out in much greater and

1346
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: smarter detail that I could, so definitely don't miss that.

1347
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: But the bottom line here, boys and girls, is that

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01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: if you follow the rules, you'll get your little pats

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01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: on the head. If you enforce the rules, you might

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: be handsomely rewarded for your efforts. Simone Biles is just

1351
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: one little skirmish in a broader war to keep everyone

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01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: in their prescribed place. Our rulers demand a nation of sheep,

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01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: and even one string from the flock must not be tolerated.

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01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: So basically a long way of saying, thager, I don't

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01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: know why people cared too. So you guys know, we've

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: been following this minor strike that has been going on

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01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: now I think over four months. Well yesterday they went

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Speaker 1: hundreds of miners and protested outside of Blackrock in Manhattan

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: because that is the largest investor in Warrior met Cole. That's,

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: of course the company that they all work for, where

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: they've been getting the same wages now for years and years,

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: took a huge pay cut and a bankruptcy. We have

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01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 1: a great journalist on who can explain everything that's going

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01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: on there and also was at that protest yesterday and

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Speaker 1: got some great video. Kim Kelly joins us independent journalist.

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Speaker 1: I've found your work Kim at the Real News also

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: at a more Perfect Union. I think that's who you

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01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: were working for at the protest yesterday. Teen Vogue also

1369
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: great work there and has a book coming out called

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Speaker 1: Fight Like Hell, The Untold History of American Labor. Great

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Speaker 1: to see you, Kim. Good to see you, Kim. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for having me and for paying attention

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01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: to the story. As we know, it's been kind of

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01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: an uphill battle. Well, I want to I do want

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Speaker 1: to get to that because I actually think that is

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01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: an important part of this story, But just for people

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01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: who haven't been following the strike, what are the grievances,

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01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: how long has it been going on, and what was

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01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: it like on the ground there yesterday onside of black Rock. Right, so,

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Speaker 1: over eleven hundred coal miners that Worria at cole in Brookwood, Alabama,

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01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: which is kind of a rural area out in Tuscalusa County.

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: They've been on strike since April first. Is unfair labor practice.

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01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: This strike, which means that essentially negotiations for their new

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: contract between the company and the union broke down and

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: they weren't offered anything that was really worth taking from

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01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: when I'm told, so they decided, all right, we got

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: to do these we got to hit the bricks. It's

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Speaker 1: actually the largest strike in forty years in Alabama, and

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Speaker 1: they've been out there on the picket lines every day

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. It's been it's taken a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of effort to sustain the strike, but you know,

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Speaker 1: they've been putting in the hours. And yesterday, I think

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Speaker 1: about four hundred of folks from Alabama as well as

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Speaker 1: West Virginia and Pennsylvania and Kentucky buslows of miners members

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Speaker 1: of the MWA United mind Works of America. They came

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Speaker 1: into Manhattan and joined a bunch of local supporters from

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01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: a number of other unions as well as labor leaders

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Speaker 1: and just locals who were down to support the cause.

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Speaker 1: And it was it was really beautiful. There was hundreds

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Speaker 1: and hundreds of people in Camo picketing in front of

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01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: Black Rock. The images were great, the speeches were great.

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01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: Susan Sarandon showed up. It was for the experience, and

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01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: there are a lot of media people out there, so

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01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm really hoping that their store is finally going to

1405
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: get out there. We have a little bit of video

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: from the ground yesterday, Kim, let's take a listen to

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01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: that will get reaction on the other side. But I'll

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01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: tell you this, no matter how long this strike goes on,

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01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: no matter how many scams try to assault you, no

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01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: matter how many times they escalated this issue, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you this, young workers, young workers, twenty five you, old workers,

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01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: thirty year old workers, South Dakotas, Californians, workers all over

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01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: the world are going to stand with you and will

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01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: support you. And there's nothing Black Rock where any other

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01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: rich asshole can do about it. What was the feeling

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: there on the ground Cam, I mean, is there a

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01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: feeling of hope there in order to be victorious? Yeah,

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01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: people were really excited to be in New York City.

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01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: For most of these folks, this the first time they've

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01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: been there. I actually took about a dozen amount on

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01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: the town the night before. Oh y, nikes, look seeing

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: it's very wholesome. You know, more or less, people are excited.

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: I think they're very excited to see media out there.

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01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: They're excited to see labor leaders from around the country

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01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: out there. I'm sure it felt different to them because

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01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, the MWA they've been having weekly rallies on

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01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: Wednesdays at Tannehill State Park down your Brookwood, and you

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01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: know that's been a big part of sustaining the strike too.

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01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: But it's a lot different going from kind of your

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01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,839
Speaker 1: hometown area to Manhattan, New York City, stranded by skies

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01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: in front of Black Rock, Like, people were pumped. That's amazing. Yeah,

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01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 1: and you got phenomenal video like we just saw there.

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01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: I also thought there was a video that really caught

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01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: my eye where you were talking to two women who

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01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 1: are wives of miners down in Alabama who were just

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01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,919
Speaker 1: talking about what they were doing to try to sustain

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01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: families during this long strike. Because I mean, this is

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01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: what people really need to understand. It's easy to sit

1439
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: here and be like, yeah, solidarity and this is great

1440
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: and good for you for fighting the man, but the

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01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: reality is this imposes very difficult financial circumstances on the

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01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: workers who are holding out for a better deal for

1443
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: themselves and their families and future workers to come after them.

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at what those two women had

1445
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: to say on the weeks that we're not getting our struck.

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01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: We're passing out food paying three bags. On the weeks

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01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: that we don't pass out with food pays bags. The

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01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 1: valley to the unions from how does it feel to

1449
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: be up here in New York supporting the miners say,

1450
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: it feels great, trap to be honor. That's what and

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01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: what do you want people watching us to know about

1452
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: the struggle. It's real, It's very real. We're going to

1453
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: be here. That that's why we're not coming out. We

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01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: will be here to thest we wearies. So talk him

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01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: a little bit about what families are going through right now. Right,

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01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: So there's eleven hundred people, eleven hundred workers on strike,

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: So that's eleven hundred families and that's a lot of kids.

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01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: I think about eighty percent of the works involved their parents,

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01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: So that's higher community several communities really, so it stretches

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01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: out around Tuscaloosa County and Jefferson County, Walker County. And

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01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, they do receive a strike fund check from

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01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: the union every two weeks for about six hundred and

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01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: fifty dollars and that's very important, but that only goes

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01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: so far if you have a house payment and a

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01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: car payment and kids and bills and medical issues. Because

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01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 1: these are coal miners who put their bodies through hell

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01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: to get their job done. You know, the auxiliary that

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01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 1: you know, those two women, Amy and Stephanie and tons

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01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: of other spouses and retired miners and family members are

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 1: part of has been a huge factor in their ability

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01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: to keep going. You know, they collect and contribute free groceries.

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01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: They you know, they make food for the rallies. They're

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01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: kind of the biggest cheerleaders and manageable just to keep

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01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: the energy up because it is hard. The people are tired,

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: people are scared. People want to they want their jobs back,

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01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: but they want to make sure they're going in with

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01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: a fair deal. Yeah, and Caim, I mean, what does

1478
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: a feature look like on the strike on the success

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: and what are the that need to be come to

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01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're not really asking for very much, is

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01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: the thing, and that's the thing that I think kind

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01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: of fuels so much of the motivation here because they're

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Speaker 1: not asking for a million dollars an hour or anything

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Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. What they're trying to do is

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Speaker 1: get back to what they already had in their previous contract,

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Speaker 1: before warrior Met came in, before warriorm At slashed their

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Speaker 1: pay and took away their overtime, it took away vacation

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Speaker 1: days and messed with their health care. They want to

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Speaker 1: get back to what they had before they can even

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Speaker 1: think about getting better. And of course they should be

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Speaker 1: getting better, because we should be seeing that progress. Any

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Speaker 1: ethical company would come to the table and offer that.

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Speaker 1: But this is not an ethical company, as we've seen

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Speaker 1: from particular attacks and the police presence and all of

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01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: the hostilities that have been directed to these workers. So

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Speaker 1: the model for the strike has been one day longer,

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Speaker 1: one day stronger. We'll be out here one day longer

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Speaker 1: than they can stand. And they're dug in like they're

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Speaker 1: ready to be out here as long as they need to.

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Speaker 1: Like some of the women told me, you know, we're

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: getting ready for a December toy drive for the kids

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Speaker 1: if we need so. If you're not going anywhere, but

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. I think the other piece of this,

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01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: Kim Is, is the media part. And you know, one

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01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: of the reasons the story is important for a lot

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01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: of reasons, but one of them is if you are

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01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: like me, and I think like you, and you believe

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01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: in a multi racial working class politics. Here, you have

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01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: the majority of the workforce at Wharrior met is black.

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01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: You have white miners coming in from West Virginia to

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Speaker 1: support them. You also have white families who are impacted

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01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 1: by the strike in these conditions as well. So you

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01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 1: actually have a true multi racial working class standing in solidarity,

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01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: fighting corporate power against all odds. An incredible story, historic

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01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 1: story is you put it first time in forty years,

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Speaker 1: you've had a strike of this size in Alabama, which

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01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: is a so called right to work state. And yet

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01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: as of at least last week, there was a study done,

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01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: not one segment, not one word from any of the

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01:18:55,680 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: three cable news networks about this fascinating compeller historic story.

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: Why do you think that that is? It is? I've

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01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: been thinking about this a lot, so I've been covering

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01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: this since the beginning, and I've been so frustrated as

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01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: a media person trying to get editors to green light

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01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 1: pieces and trying to get these guys the attention they need.

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Speaker 1: And there are a lot of factors involved. I think

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01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: the fact that coal mining has it's not the most

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01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 1: popular profession anymore. You know, we're moving towards green energy.

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01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: It's environmentally destructive. I understand that it would, it's not

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01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: necessarily the hottest topic that everyone wants to get behind.

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01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: Is complicated, and I think the fact that this is

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Speaker 1: a group of rural, working class Alabama coal miners. They

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01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: are not the traditional union demographic. When it comes down

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01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: to politics, it's a more conservative group. So maybe that

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01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: chips away some of the available sympathy. And of course,

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Speaker 1: I mean the Democrats don't want to talk about them

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Speaker 1: or support them because they work with coal, and the

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01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: Republicans don't want to talk about them because they're union

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01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 1: because Republicans don't care about the working class. So they're

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Speaker 1: kind of at a rock and a hard place. There's

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Speaker 1: no politicians coming by to wave, there's no you know,

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01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: the New York Times isn't there on the ground. Because

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Speaker 1: I was just in Alabama somewhere like it's been driving

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01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: me nuts because I'm from like a rural, like blue

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01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: collar background, and like, these folks remind me of my family,

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01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: and so I just wish, you know that, I wish

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01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: more people were paying attention. But I am hoping that

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Speaker 1: them coming to New York and coming to the belly

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01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: of the beast as it were, and being surrounded by

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01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: media and being in this backdrop will really kind of

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01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: shake people and be like, hey, this is a big deal.

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01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: These people deserve our attention. They deserve a fair deal.

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01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: You know this is this is special and we need

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01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: to be supporting it. Well, Listen, if people want to

1555
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: follow what's going on, there is no better source than you.

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01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: You cover this story from the beginning on the ground

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Speaker 1: in Alabama, now up in New York. Tell people where

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01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: to find you and your work. Him I'm ternally online,

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01:20:55,400 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 1: so I'm very much on kim my old college DJA.

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01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: I have a patch are on I work for I'm independent,

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01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: so I worked for a number of different places. I

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01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: was covering that for more Perfect Union yesterday. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: also write for teen Vogue. I'm working on stuff for

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Speaker 1: a lot of different places. But Twitter is the best

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01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: way to find me. And also a lot of the

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Speaker 1: wives have become active on Twitter and TikTok, and that's

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Speaker 1: something that is really cute. They're the best. I love

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Speaker 1: them and following the official UMWA accounts. It's it's easy

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Speaker 1: to find this stuff if you if you're looking for it,

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Speaker 1: but you just have to look a little harder because

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Speaker 1: I don't know the powers that be on't is interested

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01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: in making noise. All right, well, everyone go follow at

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Speaker 1: gram Kim on Twitter and you know if you want

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Speaker 1: to see real stories of what's actually going on for

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Speaker 1: people that the mainstream news is not showing you whatsoever. Kim,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thank you, Kim.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate you our pleasure.

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