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Speaker 6: It is Wednesday, February twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, Season

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Speaker 6: twenty one, episode number one oh nine.

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Speaker 6: Com Forward slash oled Evo. Welcome to the show. Lots

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Speaker 6: of conversation to get into today. We're talking free agents today.

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Speaker 6: We have quite a bit happening in that world. It's

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Speaker 6: happened here over the last few days, and I suspect

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Speaker 6: there will be more of that happening really over the

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Speaker 6: next three weeks. Basically the Cowboys talking about their own

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Speaker 6: free agents and certainly from the standpoint of free agency.

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Speaker 6: Beginning on the second week of February. I'm sorry of

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Speaker 6: March and hopefully the Cowboys being active players there, we're

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Speaker 6: all looking forward to that. Let's start first with Javonte Williams.

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Speaker 6: Cowboys did the deal with mister Williams, got him signed

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Speaker 6: to a three year deal twenty four million. This is

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Speaker 6: the part I love about it. He is the sixteenth

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Speaker 6: highest paid running back in the NFL. That's a value deal,

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Speaker 6: no doubt about it, because I think he is at

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Speaker 6: least the sixteenth best running back, probably top ten.

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Speaker 2: But to get him out.

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Speaker 6: Of sixteenth rated, you know, as far as pay is concerned,

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Speaker 6: I think is a heck of a deal for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 6: Your thoughts as you've heard about this new signing and bro, please,

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Speaker 6: I got so much to say.

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Speaker 5: So well, first of all, I found it surprising that

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Speaker 5: test it out and see. I was initially curious because

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Speaker 5: what is the benefit obviously benefits for the Cowboys not

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Speaker 5: to allow that to get to the open market. But

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Speaker 5: from his standpoint, I started to think, well, how does

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Speaker 5: that benefit him from a business perspective. I'm not sure

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Speaker 5: what the reasons were necessarily as far as that decision,

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Speaker 5: but I was extremely happy because he was one of

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Speaker 5: you can find other running backs and put them in there,

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Speaker 5: draft their running back. We've had this conversation on the

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Speaker 5: show previously. I'm at the point where we have so

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Speaker 5: many other problems that why mess with something that was

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Speaker 5: already working. Let's keep it consistent. The offense was performing

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Speaker 5: really well most of the time. There are areas room

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Speaker 5: unproblematic guy. And yeah, I was very happy with the

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Speaker 5: happy to know that they were indeed having those conversations already,

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Speaker 5: because we often hear, oh, well, well, we can't wait

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Speaker 5: we start those negotiations, which we heard about George Pickens previously.

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Speaker 5: And it was around the same time that Stephen Jones

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Speaker 5: So anyways, very happy about it. I'm excited. He had

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Speaker 5: in a story on Dallascowis dot com. And I found

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Speaker 5: it funny that he made the comment that when Jerry

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Speaker 5: mister Jones, sign GP. And I was like, oh, good

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Speaker 6: What's a parent is I think all those guys on

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Speaker 2: So GP is out there. I'm sure.

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Speaker 6: That's why CD is like, please, don't get this done.

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Speaker 6: DAK is like, hey, Jerry, get this done. I think

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Speaker 6: everybody knows this offense is so much better, so much deadlier, and.

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Speaker 6: You're going to benefit personally if GP is out there,

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Speaker 6: because he just takes the pressure off of everybody else

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Speaker 6: because of how much of a target he is.

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Speaker 7: Even flow flow might make some money, you know whatever.

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Speaker 7: Anbars and credibly smart by the way, made all the

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Speaker 7: all the best points.

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Speaker 2: Did she leave you anything? Is there any meat left

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Speaker 7: To answer your question right. From a business standpoint, why

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Speaker 7: would it makes sense for him to sign earlier. I

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Speaker 7: think that's a phenomenal point that you brought up. Remember

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Speaker 6: And by the way, a three year deal like that's

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Speaker 3: Sure the numbers on that contract look real good to him,

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Speaker 5: I forgot about it.

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Speaker 7: No, please, I saved this point just for the break.

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Speaker 7: Imagine what life would have looked like last year. Because

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Speaker 7: you're not wrong yet, bro. A lot of people say, oh,

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Speaker 7: you could just find a running back anywhere. You could

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Speaker 7: Man, Miles is a veteran. He's done this before, you

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Speaker 7: Blue Hey, rookies come in and contribute all the time. Hey,

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Speaker 7: rookies don't al They're not always ready day one in

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Speaker 7: that way. You know, just because somebody else did it,

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Speaker 7: I think running back deserves so much more respect than

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: What I'm saying, So I think if you have somebody

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Speaker 7: a first year offense. Right, I'm sure Clayton Adams scheming

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Speaker 7: that's the point that everybody ain't talking about. If you

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Speaker 7: where you're gonna save your bread. If you're gonna save

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Speaker 7: They asked him, Hey man, y'all moving Tyler Smith to

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Speaker 7: That money is what it is, and it's fine, that's

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Speaker 7: if Terrence wiffs, he'll go smack it in for an

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Speaker 7: I think that's important for you and catch the ball.

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Speaker 7: As a receiver. Javonte Weaves is a complete back and

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Speaker 7: really not a bunch of bread.

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Speaker 3: And that's what you led with. He's average amongst paid.

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Speaker 7: Running backs, but you're getting top ten, top eight production

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Speaker 3: And I got so many more points.

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Speaker 2: But please go ahead, non I agree with that.

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Speaker 6: I still I'm probably a little different with you when

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Speaker 6: because I do think I always think of players, and

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Speaker 6: it's gonna sound bad, so please don't take it in

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Speaker 6: the from a from the literal sense. But it's replacement

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Speaker 6: value for me, Like, how difficult is it to find

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Speaker 6: a replacement if you let a running back go? And

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Speaker 6: I think that that's one of the positions in the

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Speaker 2: By the way, you look at Malie Davis.

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Speaker 6: Malik Davis came in here and he was an outcast

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Speaker 6: by all accounts, came in and had some really great

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Speaker 6: You paid middle of the road money for a guy

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Speaker 6: that I think is the only the only knock I

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Speaker 2: To give me those home runs. But that's the only

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Speaker 7: Hey man, Yeah, I'm good, which is why me leading

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Speaker 7: with You're not wrong. By the way, you can find

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Speaker 7: Look at the running backs that we had on the team,

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Speaker 3: To hit, and man, we was just like, save us somebody.

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Speaker 7: But we should have known when like, hey man, Javonte

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Speaker 3: You know what's what's the plan for?

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Speaker 2: They had a plan, they knew, they knew what, they

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Speaker 6: By blockchain dot com. So so fay should I just

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Speaker 6: Please for that that message you send me. I don't

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Speaker 6: canoey he saying you you tell me some ideas of

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Speaker 7: Now see what it is. I ain't gonna say nothing

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Speaker 7: But what it is that Derek got to have his

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Speaker 6: hey Watch, that's a great idea, we ain't doing it

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Speaker 6: One day prove first, one day, one day, one day,

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Speaker 3: I can think of somebody end of this segment of it.

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Speaker 7: It's the problem though, and we can get right back

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Speaker 2: By the way, we dabbling foolishness.

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Speaker 3: I want to shoot dice with Deck so bad, but

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Speaker 6: Dak wouldn't do that because and he's a he ain't

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Speaker 2: Maybe he do it at a part if y'all just

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Speaker 5: Quinn Williams said, on the side of you gotta make sure,

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Speaker 3: That's why that takes message that not have me shooting

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Speaker 6: You start realizing there's this whole bevy of things you

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Speaker 7: I have such an idea that will never happen. I'm

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Speaker 7: But I can't be like selfish year one, be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, may that was dope.

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Speaker 7: But like we just doing this show and we're kicking

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Speaker 7: In the basement. We just playing man to some kicking it.

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Speaker 7: But y'all ain't gonna pay me no real money.

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Speaker 3: To do that.

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Speaker 5: Well, how many times have you actually seen a player

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Speaker 6: You got to think ahead, No, No, we've actually investigated

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Speaker 3: And let's start talking right now, because I was about

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Speaker 6: With some cold All right, well we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 6: Let's let's talk about Brandon Aubrey, we'll talk about money.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Brandon Aubrey.

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Speaker 6: Because I started hearing the reports and actually i'd heard

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Speaker 6: And it was interesting how Steven put it when he

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Speaker 2: And you don't typically hear that about it negotiation with

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Speaker 2: Now, let me put this in context for you guys.

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Speaker 6: Right now, the highest kicker in the NFL is Harrison Butker.

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Speaker 6: On average per year, he makes six point four million.

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Speaker 6: really believe the Cowboys are going to use the restricted

441
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 6: the tender, second round tender.

442
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 2: Are you comfortable if his demand stay at ten million?

443
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 6: Are you comfortable saying give him ten or do you think, hey, man,

444
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 6: if somebody's out there willing to give him ten, great,

445
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 6: take your ten and move forward and we'll take the

446
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 6: second round pick.

447
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 3: And I got so much you hear.

448
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 7: I want players to have a great relationship with their agent,

449
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 7: to have their agent understand like, look here, bro, give

450
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 7: me my bread. I want you to.

451
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

452
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 7: I do want to be here. I think Michael could

453
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 7: have benefited from there too. You know what I'm saying, Like, look, man.

454
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: Speak for yourself, not just let the agent just do everything.

455
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, on a scale of one to ten, I would

456
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 7: love to I don't want to be kicking in Cleveland.

457
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 4: Bro.

458
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 3: I do want to change my family the trajectory.

459
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 5: But how do you know that's not already happening? Because

460
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 5: I've had an agent before, and yes, they are the

461
00:20:54,600 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 5: ones to take action and do the whole negotiation. Know, Okay,

462
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 5: this is the money we're looking at. But it does

463
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 5: get to the point where you have those conversations. You

464
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,239
Speaker 5: don't just have the agent handle the whole thing for

465
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 5: the most part, yes, but you also have at least

466
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 5: one conversation of what you want, yes as a player,

467
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 5: where you want to be or what whatnot. So we

468
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 5: don't know if they've had those conversations. And maybe that's

469
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 5: where he's leaning towards too.

470
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 6: But I also think that part of that though, goes

471
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 6: back to is the agent is the agent representing He

472
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 6: may say, Let's say, for example, Aubrey said, I want

473
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 6: to be here. I want to be the highest paid kicker,

474
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 6: and I want to get the most I can get

475
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 6: to be here. Right, those are his his things, like

476
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 6: those are things I want to get done. The agent

477
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 6: may say, Okay, I know in dealing with the Jones

478
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 6: is we gotta shoot high.

479
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna say

480
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: ten million.

481
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 6: I don't think we're gonna get ten but I'm gonna

482
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 6: say ten million, right, and I'm gonna try to hold

483
00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 6: them to ten million.

484
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: Hopes that where we land is eight million.

485
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 3: I want Jared to then be like Cleveland.

486
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 2: But but I guess my point is yet.

487
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 5: To your point, he could and that's a tactic that is.

488
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: Exactly But I guess that's my point. He could.

489
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 6: They could have had the conversation and Brandon could have

490
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 6: been like, hey, this is these are things that are

491
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 6: important to me. He may not even given a specific number.

492
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 6: The agent is now using his own abilities to say

493
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 6: this is how I think I can get all these

494
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 6: things that he wants.

495
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 3: Now.

496
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 6: The problem with that, in my opinion, is I think

497
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 6: that affects the image of Yes, Brandon Aubrey. I think

498
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 6: fans think differently today about Brandon Aubrey. Maybe not fairly,

499
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 6: maybe not a lot, but I think there's probably a

500
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 6: little different of opinion on what they think of Brandon

501
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 6: Aubrey today than what they did before this report came out.

502
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 7: You guys agree, Yes, I know what my threshold would be.

503
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 7: I would talk to my age and be like, look, bro,

504
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 7: I'm looking for this. Don't go in there asking this

505
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 7: many more times this. I want to work for the Cowboys.

506
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 7: Break the Saints break may be offering me a little

507
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 7: bit more. Look, bro, I don't want them to send

508
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying. I don't want to have

509
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 7: to go to Saints break. Yeah, it's money similar Saints

510
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 7: paying a little bit more. I would like to stay here.

511
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 7: I don't want to move. I want arbor to go

512
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 7: bro ten million. I want Arbora to call Todd France

513
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 7: right now, Bro ten million? Ten Even if you find

514
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 7: with seven.

515
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 2: Say eight, yeah, right, say hey?

516
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 7: And I'm sure that the Joneses are reasonable little not

517
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 7: like look man, you say, Bucker make six point something? Man,

518
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 7: Look Bro, I don't want to waste all time. Can

519
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 7: we get to seven to eight and be fine?

520
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 6: By the way, the report is that they already put

521
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 6: out an offer and the offer makes it the highest

522
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 6: pace so it's above the six point four. Now we

523
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 6: don't know if it's six point four with one dollar more.

524
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 6: So we don't know if it's five hundred thousand more.

525
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 6: We don't know if it's a million.

526
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: We don't know. I don't know that. But what we

527
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: know is they made an offer and it made it

528
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: the highest pace kicker in the NFL.

529
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 5: What I please with this situation? Okay?

530
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: Number one?

531
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 5: I feel like the information doesn't get leaked unless you

532
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 5: don't unless what is unless you want it to. So

533
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 5: let's say, okay, this came out and people are talking

534
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 5: about it and all that my thought, and again this

535
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 5: is not confirmed. This is just what I think is

536
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 5: that the initial ask, let's say, was the ten million,

537
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 5: then the Cowboys did it whatever, And now it's at

538
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 5: a point where I think, Uh, his agent is not

539
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 5: budgeting at all and stuck at that because I think

540
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 5: if they would keep going back and forth and it

541
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 5: just the.

542
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: Fact that I'm saying it's a journey makes me agree

543
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: with you.

544
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 5: You're sticking with.

545
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 7: It because now we're going, well, forget him. Then now

546
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 7: that looks bad for Aubrey and Arby should be like, man,

547
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 7: I don't want that. I don't want this negative press about.

548
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 7: I don't want to seem greedy to the media.

549
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

550
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 7: I don't want this to be another money man. You

551
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 7: you asking for the same amount of money Jordan Lewis

552
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 7: got last year.

553
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 6: By the way, this is more money than Javonte Williams

554
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 6: that we just signed him to.

555
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: His average is eight. Are you gonna really pay a

556
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: kicker ten?

557
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 6: I mean, just thinking about the value and how often

558
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 6: he has the ball in his hands, how often he's

559
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 6: asked to make a play that's going to affect the

560
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 6: outcome of games.

561
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: I have a hard time thinking you pay.

562
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 7: Him more than the running back for me, you are

563
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 7: That's exactly I said this earlier.

564
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: We may see Brandon Arby what eight times a game

565
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: ten or eleven? Javonte get twenty carries ten you know

566
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

567
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, like and all the times he picks up the

568
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 6: blitz that we don't necessarily talk about, but it saved

569
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 6: Dak from an injury.

570
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 7: Even if you're the best kicker in the game with

571
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 7: the fifty percent, you're not fifty percent better whatever the

572
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 7: percentage is. You not fifty percent better than Harrison Bucker

573
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 7: because you I don't see you kicking and making seventy y'all.

574
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 6: Kids, you want to hear the numbers behind that for four? Okay,

575
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 6: So I started looking doing something because here's the deal.

576
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 6: I believe that Brandon Kicker, I'm sorry, Brandon Aubrey, I

577
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 6: call him Brandon Kicker. Brandon Aubrey is among he's among

578
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 6: the best kickers in the league. There is nothing statistical

579
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 6: that says he is head and shoulders above them.

580
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: Correct.

581
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 6: This last year he kicked more fifty plus yard field

582
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 6: goals than anyone else he had more attempts, but he

583
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 6: only made eleven of the seventeen he had. That's a

584
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 6: fifty three percent rate of actual made kicks over fifty plus.

585
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 6: There were other kickers who didn't have as many attempts

586
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 6: but still got eleven fifty plus kicks that they made.

587
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 6: There are two others. He didn't have the longest kick

588
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 6: in the NFL this year. There was one kicker that

589
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 6: had two kicks that were longer than the longest kick

590
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 6: that Brandon Aubrey has this year. Yeah, so when you

591
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 6: talk about it, there is nothing statistical that says this

592
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 6: man is so much farther ahead of everyone, Like, this

593
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 6: is not the Miles Garrett of pass rushing, right, it

594
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 6: is he is among the very best. And again I

595
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 6: don't want to that away from HM. Let's be clear,

596
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 6: Brandon Aubrey is a good kicker, a really good kicker,

597
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 6: among the very best in the league. There is nothing

598
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 6: that suggests he is far ahead of everybody else, which

599
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 6: makes me say, if you're among the best kickers in

600
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 6: the league and your deal is up, you should set

601
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 6: the market. So I think it should be the highest

602
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 6: paid kicker in the game. It doesn't tell me I

603
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 6: should jump fifty plus percent from the next highest paid

604
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 6: kicker because he's among the best. That seems that seems

605
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 6: excessive to me.

606
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 7: I got two real fast points, and I promise I'm

607
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 7: not gonna linger long. If Brandon Aubrey was five for

608
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 7: five from seventy yards, maybe we could talk about.

609
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: Ten million dollars. Then he's mouth Garrett, we could talk

610
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: about ten million.

611
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 7: If you five for five, yes, then your mouth Garrett,

612
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 7: then you Miles Garrett. Yeah, also too. I think six

613
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 7: meaning too much for a kicker. I think five meaning

614
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 7: too much.

615
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: The market says it's not.

616
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: The market says it is not.

617
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 7: But if my last name was Jones, McLay Todd waves

618
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 7: about if that was my last name, I'm going, man, look, bro,

619
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 7: I'd rather just treat kicker like running back and just

620
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 7: find a dude that can. I call Kyle for Bath,

621
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 7: see what he doing, run your offense, and put all

622
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 7: that money in the defense.

623
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: I think I still think seven is a lot for

624
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 3: a kick.

625
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. I know what you're saying,

626
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: but I will say this.

627
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 6: I've been around here in years where every time the

628
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 6: kicker went out, whether it was for a field goal

629
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 6: or an extra point.

630
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: You literally would.

631
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 6: Like, Man, I can't even go up and get him,

632
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 6: go to restaurant because I gotta see if he gonna

633
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 6: make this or not.

634
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: Sure.

635
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't like that feeling.

636
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: It's a big difference.

637
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: I don't like Dan Bayley right now.

638
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 6: Right now, I love the fact that the kicker comes

639
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 6: on the field if it's fifty and in alight, man

640
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 6: bring it up. Sure, let's go. Let's move on to

641
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 6: the next thing, because he's gonna make it. Give me

642
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 6: the three you can go and put on the board, like,

643
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 6: give me the three.

644
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: I love that. So I'm not saying I'm willing to

645
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: pay him market price. For me.

646
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 6: Market price would be probably somewhere in the range of

647
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 6: seven point five. If you got me on a good

648
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 6: day and I was feeling really benevolent.

649
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: Maybe I get to eight. But man, I ain't going

650
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: over eight. I can't pay him more than I pay

651
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: the runner.

652
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna find what CeMM for the second roundtender.

653
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: Five point three million. So essentially here's the deal.

654
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 6: What ends up happening is if the Cowboys are like

655
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 6: if they stick to the ten, and the Cowboys like,

656
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 6: we're not paying ten Cowboys put a second round tender

657
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 6: on him. Let's say then what happens is he goes

658
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 6: out into free agency and other teams will have the

659
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 6: ability to be able to give him a deal that

660
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 6: the Cowboys will have righte a first refusal on. But

661
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 6: if the Cowboys decide, hey, this is not a deal

662
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 6: we want to match, then he's able to go to

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Speaker 6: that other team. That other team gives the Cowboys a

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Speaker 6: second round pick, especially in a year like this where

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Speaker 6: I don't have a second round pick. If that's what

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Speaker 6: we got and my options are pay ten million for

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Speaker 6: a kicker or take a second round pick, I'm going

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Speaker 6: back to the well to try to find my kicker,

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Speaker 6: and I'm gonna take a second round pick and see

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Speaker 6: what I can do on my defense. That seems pready

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Speaker 6: cleared me as far as how I would handle it.

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Speaker 7: I'll go find a college student that'll love to have

673
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Speaker 7: five hundred thousand dollars that used to play soccer or something.

674
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Speaker 7: I'm like, hey, man, let's just have a kicking combine

675
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Speaker 7: and find them just like we do.

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Speaker 3: Or go to USFL.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure there's some good kicking USFL kid coming out

678
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Speaker 7: this year. I just I just like, look, I need defenders,

679
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Speaker 7: man Jodan Louis made me I would I would rather have.

680
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Speaker 7: I would rather have with a corner than the best

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Speaker 7: safety that I'm only going to see for eight or

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Speaker 7: nine or tex So just ten, just team building wise,

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Speaker 7: I'm just fundamentally opposed to it because I just got

684
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 7: so many other things I could do with and you

685
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 7: made offense that I didn't even think about, managin Vontee

686
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 7: ain't even making tins, And how you gonna get ten?

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Speaker 5: I see a lot of people in the chat they

688
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Speaker 5: say talking to telling the number like the highest that

689
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Speaker 5: they would go. I see something for seven, seven point five,

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Speaker 5: eight or eight point five, which is still extremely high.

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Speaker 5: But I wanted to ask you, guys, what is the

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Speaker 5: max that you would give him?

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Speaker 6: That's what I just said. I said, for me, seven

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Speaker 6: point five is kind of upper limit. I might again,

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Speaker 6: a very very good day, on a very very good day,

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Speaker 6: maybe you could get me the eight, But seven point

697
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Speaker 6: five really is kind of my max, especially knowing six

698
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Speaker 6: point five is where the highest is right now. I

699
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Speaker 6: don't see myself going over seven point five.

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Speaker 7: Me as a lowly creator podcast do if they give

701
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Speaker 7: them seven, I'll shut up if my last name was Jones,

702
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 7: I'm trying to find some cheap kicker and put all

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Speaker 7: my resource.

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Speaker 3: In the defense.

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Speaker 5: You know what gives me pause is that I have

706
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Speaker 5: this secret trauma in my head, in my mental of

707
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Speaker 5: like when you do give a big contract, then they.

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Speaker 3: Can't all of a sudden, by the way, by the way,

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Speaker 3: that happens.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing about kickers.

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Speaker 6: Kickers are just that I've heard, I've heard, I've heard

712
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 6: special teams coaches the most the most important thing for

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Speaker 6: a kicker is the mental and the mental can go

714
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Speaker 6: at any moment, just something triggers it gets in their head.

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Speaker 6: It's like a golf swing. Once it gets in your head,

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Speaker 6: it's hard to get it back right. Look at Justin

717
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Speaker 6: Tucker for years, for years, was absolutely the best kick

718
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Speaker 6: in the National Football League, and in a matter of

719
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 6: a year went from that to just a guy that

720
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, he ain't that good. Now he has

721
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Speaker 6: some off the field issues going on. Maybe that affected,

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Speaker 6: But again my point is it's a mental thing.

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Speaker 2: He didn't forget how to kick. His leg didn't just

724
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Speaker 2: fall off. It is. It is mental.

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Speaker 6: And when kickers go through that slide, and we started

726
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Speaker 6: happening with Dan Bailey, and I thought Dan Bailey would

727
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Speaker 6: last forever, like he was so great and and I

728
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Speaker 6: love when he step out there on the field and

729
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Speaker 6: Corey Miller would start playing I got five on it

730
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Speaker 6: in the stadium and feeling the vibe, and he go

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Speaker 6: out there make his kick, and then all of a

732
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Speaker 6: sudden he wasn't making those kicks.

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Speaker 2: Like that's the thing.

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Speaker 6: So if you're gonna pay this kind of money, I

735
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Speaker 6: want a little more assurance than at any moment this

736
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Speaker 6: thing could fall apart, you know, Scar, Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 6: let's take our final breakers.

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Speaker 2: Come we'll see where we go from there.

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Speaker 6: We might well have a little more on this, because

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Speaker 6: it sounds like it looks like Veat's got some other things.

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Speaker 3: See what throw out there and it's eleven four to one.

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Speaker 6: nice and pre.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 7: They was talking to Steven Jones at the Combine shots.

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Speaker 7: He said something that just jumped out to me. Steven said,

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Speaker 7: Clarence was asking him like twenty questions. Some shouts out

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Speaker 7: of claim, but Clariens was based like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 7: do you do? Do you guys feel like y'all are

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Speaker 7: moving different this off season than y'all normally do. Everybody

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Speaker 7: in Twitter world would feel like, y'all are you know?

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Speaker 7: And Steven says no, And what he said he said

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Speaker 7: exactly like this this By saying it, he was basically like,

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Speaker 7: when we knew we were bad, when we could all

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Speaker 7: agree that we were bad, we were super aggressive and

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Speaker 7: fixing problems. If we weren't aggressive, we thought we was good,

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Speaker 7: but we really weren't.

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Speaker 3: Did y'all see him say that.

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Speaker 6: Yep, and by the way, yeah, by the way, I

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Speaker 6: actually agree with that, and I think there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of evidence around that, because here's the deal. When you're

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Speaker 6: when you're working on the football side of this building,

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Speaker 6: sure you're kind of immune to some degree to all

824
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Speaker 6: of this, all the opinions out there. When you got

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Speaker 6: this pundit in this pot and this pundit by the way,

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Speaker 6: and that's myself included, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're making our value. And by the way, we only.

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Speaker 6: Know at the most fifty sixty percent of really what's

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00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 6: going on behind the scenes. I do think there are

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Speaker 6: some that know more than others, because you have access

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Speaker 6: to people who will tell you those kinds of things.

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Speaker 6: But even at that, there's nobody in the media that

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Speaker 6: has one hundred percent of the facts of what's going on.

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Speaker 6: They have bits and pieces that they pick up from

835
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 6: different places, and then from that they are able to

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00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 6: surmise whatever they think is going on. So I say

837
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 6: all that to say when Stephen says that they look

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Speaker 6: at it and a lot of times when people are

839
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 6: saying this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong,

840
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Speaker 6: the cowboys may be looking at it and being like

841
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Speaker 6: what we know is this is wrong, but this over here,

842
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Speaker 6: this was something else that was a factress to why

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00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 6: you say that's wrong. And that's the fact that we've

844
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Speaker 6: corrected with something else. So they feel like they've solved

845
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 6: the problem. It's not what you think is the problem, right,

846
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 6: And so they may look at it and say the

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Speaker 6: player isn't the issue here. We are willing to say

848
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 6: we will go another year with this player, where everybody

849
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 6: else is looking being like, you gotta get.

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Speaker 2: Rid of this guy. He's not that good, right.

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Speaker 6: So I think they get more aggressive when there's actual

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Speaker 6: agreement between the media and what they're thinking on a

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00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 6: player evaluation, Like I think it's happening right now. I

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 6: think everybody's agreeing there are a lot of players on

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Speaker 6: this defense from last year that cannot be back next year. Sure, Now,

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00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's one hundred percent, because I

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Speaker 6: could see a scenario where there are some players and

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Speaker 6: I've been saying this on this show. I think there's

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Speaker 6: some players on this team that people are gonna be

860
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 6: there's one or two I would say on this defense

861
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 6: that people will be like, really, they brought him back

862
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 6: and he will be fine. If all the other pieces work,

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00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 6: because again, you can't fix everything. But I do think

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00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 6: that they're more aggressive when they when they feel like

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Speaker 6: they have to be.

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Speaker 3: You know, Malik Hooker and.

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Speaker 2: The other one. Yeah, maybe it's a Marist or something

868
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's a guy like like Shamar who everybody's kind

870
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 6: of already written the book on him.

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Speaker 2: He was only a rookie.

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00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 6: Where the defensive coordinator comes in, a new linebackers coach

873
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 6: comes in and says, I could do something with him.

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00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 6: I was told that there was a former linebacker that

875
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 6: played for the Cowboys that's thinking about maybe getting into coaching.

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00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 6: At some point he was talking to one of our

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00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 6: guys and he mentioned he said, you know, if I

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00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 6: had some time with Shamaha.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't Sean.

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00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 6: He's like, if I if I had some time, yeah,

881
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 6: yeah you do, Yeah you do. By the way, this

882
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 6: is the guy that was that was a good linebacker

883
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 6: for the Cowboys. He was like, if I had some

884
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 6: time with Shamar, he would he would be I see

885
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 6: things in him that would make him a really good linebacker.

886
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 6: But that's one like you could you can you can

887
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 6: look across this thing and you can find players that

888
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 6: because it always happens. Coaches look at it and they say,

889
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 6: that guy, what you saw last year was not a

890
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 6: represented representation, a good representation of what that that guy

891
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 6: can be. It was about other factors that were involved

892
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 6: that made them perform.

893
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: At a lesser level. Maybe this coaching staff looks at

894
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: Sam that way.

895
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 6: I have no idea, sure, because my value evaluation has

896
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 6: been I haven't seen enough from him in the time

897
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 6: he's been here, So I'm like, I'm not willing to

898
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 6: pay him big money.

899
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: But the coaches may look at it and say, there's

900
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: still value there.

901
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 6: We can use him in a role that makes sense,

902
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 6: that will make him a better players. It's Fouler last

903
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 6: year versus the year before, and Washington his role. He

904
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 6: had eight sacks here. He was a forgotten commodity, you know.

905
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: And that's where it's about to get real weird.

906
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 7: Cowboys just signed this past us specialist, Brandon Jordan. Yeah,

907
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 7: and I've been just keeping over his work because I'm

908
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 7: on the Internet and you keep you know, those dudes

909
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 7: are on the Internet, like Duke is on the Internet,

910
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 7: Brian Jackson the Internet, and it's like I've seen, like

911
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 7: we all like the idea of him is that he's

912
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 7: flipped these pass rush units that are regular units and

913
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 7: now they're like like.

914
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: Zach Allen for example with the Broncos. Whatever.

915
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 7: Men watch him at like Boston College. He was never

916
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 7: a pass rush he dude. He was like a defensive

917
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 7: end guy. And then he gained a bunch of weight.

918
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 7: He played like an interior guy. He wasn't never sat guy.

919
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 7: Then he rolls out the bed and get like I

920
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 7: was talking about, got will still as more shots out

921
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 7: of him. He got like eighty some quarterback hits in

922
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 7: like two years now, like eight sacks or.

923
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: Something like that.

924
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 7: So now I'm like, all right, okay, so cool. Does

925
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 7: he bring that out of sound?

926
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because I think the end

927
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: of or just cowboy fans to tell you, like, I

928
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe we.

929
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: Can improve he bring out Azaraku.

930
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: He'd like see Donovan's a part of it.

931
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: And that's wh I thing. I looked at Donovan.

932
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 6: I'm like, they didn't get the pass rush they may

933
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 6: have expected out of him, sure, but the different coaching

934
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 6: stuff they may be looking at him like, man, that

935
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 6: dude has seventeen sexes senior year in college.

936
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 7: Sure we could do something now, now, maybe Christian Parker

937
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 7: looks at him, Hey man, can you fix Fouler?

938
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 3: Hell y'all can?

939
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and I can.

940
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: Fix these people. So now that's so that's even more

941
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: questions about what we're building.

942
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 6: These And that's my point, Like, they're gonna be guys

943
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 6: playing next year on this defense. If this defense is better,

944
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 6: there will be some guys that a lot of us

945
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 6: right now are thinking, does he don't you really need

946
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 6: to upgrade that position? But what you'll find is you

947
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 6: really don't. There are some positions you absolutely have to.

948
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 6: But there's somewhere you got a guy that is good

949
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 6: enough with the right pieces around them that they can

950
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 6: be a productive member of this defense.

951
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 7: But just to be fair, I don't want the jones

952
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 7: Is to look at that and use that as a

953
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 7: reason to not spend and be aggressive in free agency.

954
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 7: I don't want that that's what they have to I

955
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 7: don't want them to be like, oh, we won't sign

956
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 7: some big name or a bigger talent because oh Brandon

957
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 7: gonna get Sam right. I don't want that to be

958
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 7: the case. I want you to get the big name. Hey,

959
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 7: Brandon fixed Henderson Worth, Hey brand and fix hendrickson fix Mac,

960
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 7: make them more sad guys or whatever.

961
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: This go back to the point I made last week.

962
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 6: They went out in free agency as free agency open

963
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 6: this year, Sure got a big time linebacker, got a

964
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 6: big time defensive end, and got a big time safety.

965
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: I think right there, I feel very different about this defense.

966
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 6: It doesn't solve all the problems, but with the p

967
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 6: says you already got on the defense at defensive tackle,

968
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 6: the pieces that overshown what you got at linebacker, what

969
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 6: you got at corner, where you feel like they just

970
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 6: need the right pieces around, like you put the right

971
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 6: pass rush around and they they'll be fine.

972
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: I think you start thinking.

973
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 6: About this defense in a much different situation. It doesn't

974
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 6: solve all the problems, but it solves enough of them

975
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 6: where you feel like with the coaching staff that you've

976
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 6: assembled and you can do some things.

977
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: On And that's why I can't give my kick Tim

978
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 3: million dollars.

979
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 5: Going exactly the show with y'all just made me mad

980
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 5: all over again again. Yeah how bad, frustrated, Like my

981
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 5: body temperature was okay, now I feel like I'm hot.

982
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: Mad just listening to this coming up. Yeah, yeah, a little.

983
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 5: Bit because and it's not because of you guys. It's

984
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 5: just again thinking about the fact that we wasted another season,

985
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 5: the fact that that there are a group of players

986
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 5: that we have question marks around, that that there's even

987
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 5: a doubt like, oh, we had to wait and see

988
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 5: what this new coaching staff, see how they do. I

989
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 5: wish I didn't have to wait until that.

990
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: But that the NFL, though I don't think that's unique

991
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: to the Cowboys. I think that's the end of some cases.

992
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: In some cases, but a guy, for example, I think,

993
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 5: like you mentioned Marius, kind of falls in that category

994
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 5: because he's only been what is it two years?

995
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, oh wow time.

996
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, because he should be coming up on a contact

997
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 6: contract here soon. But an example maybe it's maybe fourth

998
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 6: year coming up.

999
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, an example like him, He's a guy that I

1000
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 5: would have loved to know by last year what we

1001
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 5: really have in him, because we've seen him have flashes

1002
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 5: of good and then we see him even last year

1003
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 5: where he wasn't necessarily thriving. So again there's a question

1004
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 5: mark there. You mentioned him. He's another guy that you've

1005
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 5: seen moments and then other ones not so great. But

1006
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 5: you still have that question mark and the hope is

1007
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 5: again going to that fact that you're hoping that this

1008
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 5: year the new coaches can bring it out of these guys. Sure,

1009
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 5: but I would love to know, and there's a group

1010
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 5: of guys I would love to be in a spot

1011
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: where right now I feel confident, yeah, in those guys,

1012
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 5: rather than having hope or hoping that this coaching staff

1013
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 5: brings it out of them. So that's just a frustrating

1014
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: part that there was a whole year wasted in the

1015
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 5: sense that the defense really didn't show absolutely anything. There

1016
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 5: were not thriving.

1017
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: In any way.

1018
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 5: So it's hard to make that evaluation and it's unfair

1019
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 5: to a lot of these guys. But I just feel

1020
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 5: like it's a setback in a lot of ways for

1021
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 5: some of these players.

1022
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 7: I think the younger, cheaper players have much more rope

1023
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 7: to grow and develop. I think the guys that their

1024
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 7: contract ran out to get more money, I don't think

1025
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 7: those guys will be better.

1026
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 6: So and my thing is, I just think that's the

1027
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 6: nature of the NFL. You got not speaking, you're a specialist,

1028
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 6: you got twenty two starters. You're always always gonna have

1029
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 6: guys that you have question marks about that you can't

1030
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 6: figure out in a year what they can become or

1031
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 6: not become, because it's just that's the nature of having

1032
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 6: twenty two guys.

1033
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 5: In a normal year where you're kind of like, oh,

1034
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 5: you can have a year where you're like, man, but

1035
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 5: last year was historical, historically bad.

1036
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't don't get me wrong.

1037
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 5: Usually every year I would agree with you, but it's

1038
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 5: just like last year it was so bad.

1039
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: No, it was bad.

1040
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 6: It's like, okay, But that's also part of the thing

1041
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 6: that means it just created more question marks for guys

1042
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 6: that are actually serviceable, good players that because everything was

1043
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 6: so bad, it made everybody look bad.

1044
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 7: Right, we can't just get a little better when you're

1045
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 7: like the worst defense in the league. Like if you're

1046
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 7: the tenth best defense and you get a little better,

1047
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 7: all right, cool, you're not. We're the thirty second worst.

1048
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 7: We get a little better, we're thirty if we're still bad,

1049
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying bad. So I would still

1050
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 7: love the Jones is to like put the foot on

1051
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 7: the peddl and like go get it.

1052
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: But they got to no matter. The question for me

1053
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: is how many.

1054
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 6: It's not whether they will, yeah, it's how many frontline

1055
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 6: players are you willing to go out and get because

1056
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 6: you got multiple issues you gotta as solve.

1057
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 7: Not counting depth guys, I think anywhere between three to

1058
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 7: five makes sense.

1059
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree, and I want.

1060
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 6: I would love if three of those guys are dudes

1061
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 6: players like the real players.

1062
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 7: There's one dude on the East coast in the Southeast

1063
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 7: that we can't talk about to come play safety.

1064
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: Man.

1065
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: I would love it if a dude like that could

1066
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: come play safe for us.

1067
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 2: Well, that's my point.

1068
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 6: When I started looking around, and I was like, whether

1069
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 6: it's in free agency trades, you go get me a safety,

1070
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 6: a pass rusher, and a linebacker.

1071
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: That's a good start.

1072
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 2: And I would look at this defense a.

1073
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: Totally different way, even with all the other problems you

1074
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 6: got where you like, I don't know about this, I

1075
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 6: don't know about that. You're gonna have question mark. Every

1076
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 6: team's gonna have question marks. I would feel great about

1077
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 6: the front line talent.

1078
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: You have for this defense.

1079
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 5: Murra's got drafted in twenty four, two thousand, so.

1080
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: This will be his third year. Third year, that's what

1081
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: I said. He said, third year, I said, four said we.

1082
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: Made mistake before I was thinking over shown over shown.

1083
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: He said three. I said four.

1084
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 6: All right, we appreciate you guys join us. We did

1085
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 6: almost a full hour here, man, We're gonna have to

1086
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 6: make this a normal.

1087
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1088
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna go get some get some lunch.

1089
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 5: All right.

1090
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 2: We appreciate you guys joining us for Bombardi. Can't get Garcia.

1091
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,640
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1092
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,000
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1093
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,279
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1094
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