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We're calling the 8 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 3: toll free number one eight seven seven Moist eighty six 9 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 3: one eight seven seven six six four seven eight eighty six. 10 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 3: We'll have more next hour on the migrant buses, well, 11 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: the bus that was sent to Los Angeles forty two 12 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: migrants this time by the order of the Texas Governor. 13 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: We'll get into that in about an hour here on 14 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: the John and Kent Show. 15 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to talk now with Ben Appel. 16 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: He's a writer based out of New York and you've 17 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: read a fascinating piece that we saw in the Daily 18 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Mail that he's been gay all his life and identified 19 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: that way, and now he's running into some friction because 20 00:00:53,680 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: he thinks that young children who are being are being 21 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 2: given gender affirming care because they're identifying as the opposite sex, 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: and you know where that road leads, eventually to hormones 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: and eventually to major surgery. 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: He thinks that a lot of these kids may just 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: be gay. 26 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: He thinks this could erase gay people. And if you 27 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: may take someone that is a gay boy and because 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: he acts feminine, you know, move him over to a female. 29 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: You can convince him that he's really a girl on 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: the inside, and what does he know, he might go 31 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: along with it. So let's get Benipel on to talking 32 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: in detail here, because it's a fascinating piece. 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: He wrote, Ben, how are you good? How are you 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: doing fine? Talk about what led you to write this. 35 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: And you've got a book coming out called Cis White 36 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: Gay The Making of a Gender Heretic, So decode that 37 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: for people. 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, you said in that lead 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 4: up that I think some of these kids might be gay. 40 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 4: But the reality is that I know some of them 41 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 4: might be gay. You know, throughout history, we know that 42 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: that many of the kids that were you know, taken 43 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: to gender clinics by their parents. They they as in adolescents, 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: they were same sex attracted. You know. Gender nonconformity is 45 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 4: a common trait among gay and lesbian people, you know, 46 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: during childhood especially, you know, and so I do know 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: that there are a number of people who, you know, 48 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 4: perhaps feel or are diagnosed with gender dysphoria and are 49 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 4: gender nonconforming and feel like they don't fit in, They 50 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 4: feel abnormal. And then also when they go to start 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 4: going through puberty, they start to realize that they are 52 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 4: attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite sex, 53 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 4: that they have a lot of you know, discomfort with 54 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: that internalized homophobia. Obviously, there are a lot of kids 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: are are picked on and and bullied by other kids 56 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 4: for being different, and so, you know, puberty ends up 57 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 4: being the natural remedy for a lot of these kids. 58 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 4: Once they go through puberty, their gender dysphoria, if you 59 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: want to call it, that desists, meaning that it ends 60 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 4: it subsides and they you know, become fairly comfortable in 61 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: their sex and eventually totally comfortable, and they grow up 62 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 4: to just to be same sex attracted individuals, homosexual people, 63 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 4: gay and lesbian people. And this has always happens. This 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: has always been this way. And so if we're arresting 65 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: these kids natural development with puberty blockers, which ends up 66 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 4: being a natural remedy for a lot of them, we're 67 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: freezing them in this transidentity and then you know, tethering 68 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: them to the medical system forever as well as essentially 69 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: transit of the way to gay because you are, you know, 70 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: turning these proto gay kids into straight kids or straight 71 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: adolescents or straight adults. And it's it's unjust, and it's 72 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: what occurs in the authoritarian nation of Iran under their 73 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 4: under their a regime. Uh, they they encourage or they 74 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: coerce really gays and lesbians to undergo these procedures and 75 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: surgeries and transition because homosexuality is illegal in Iran, where 76 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 4: transgenderism is not. Now are transgender people you know, glorified 77 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 4: and treated so amazingly in Iran. Know a lot of 78 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: them end up in prostitution. But the reality is that 79 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 4: these practices are what has been going on in Iran 80 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 4: for a long time because it's illegal to be gay there, 81 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 4: to uh, you know, be homosexual, and so there's a 82 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 4: very similar process underway in states, and it's really alarming. 83 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 4: I'm not the only one that knows this and thinks this. 84 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 4: Gays and lesbians talk about this, but we're afraid to 85 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 4: speak up and say things because we get shut down 86 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: and shut down and call it transphobes and evil and 87 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: fascists and all of the things that you want to 88 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: you want to hear just because we want we don't 89 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 4: want homosexuality to be medicalized. 90 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: Where did this come from? 91 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: The idea that children who exhibit gay tendencies ought to be, 92 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: you know, dragged into a full blown transitioning program for 93 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 2: the rest of their childhood. Like, what where did this 94 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: idea take root? I swear a lot of this stuff. 95 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: Even a year ago, I'd never heard. 96 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: Of a lot of this. 97 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now suddenly it has overwhelmed the world. And 98 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: I don't even understand all the terms. And I don't 99 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: even I haven't seen any medical research on this. I 100 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: don't know what's true and false. And most of the people, 101 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 2: like talk to my friends and family, they don't know 102 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: where what is true and false either. They don't know 103 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: what they're supposed to believe. But they know if they 104 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: express an opinion, somebody starts screaming at them. 105 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 4: Well, that's that's authoritarianism. You know. If you're afraid to 106 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: speak up or speak out about anything, are just kind 107 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: of and you know there's something strange about this, there's 108 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 4: something weird or there's something questionable. If you're not allowed 109 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 4: to ask questions, that's an authoritarian movement. That you're up 110 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 4: against and so and this movement is authoritarian, and it's 111 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 4: also just been harnessed by the medical industrial complex. You know, 112 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 4: there's a lot of people making a lot of money, 113 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 4: but there's also a lot of ideology behind it. People 114 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 4: are really pushing for this. It did start these practices 115 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 4: of puberty blockers followed by cross sex hormones for adolescents 116 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: and kids. That did start in Europe, and it's known 117 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: as the Dutch Protocol is what was eventually came to 118 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 4: the US. And these practices were done there and it 119 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: was experimental. You know, these these there were a couple 120 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: doctors who thought, hey, you know, these kids are gender 121 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 4: disport they feel discomfort about their sex bodies. Yes, the 122 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 4: majority of them, probably ninety five ninety six, who knows 123 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 4: how many the percentage are same sex attracted these adolescents, 124 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 4: but they feel uncomfortable. They have homophomic parents, a lot 125 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 4: of them, they're bullied, but they really don't want to 126 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: be in this body. They want to be the opposite sex. So, 127 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 4: you know, this consistent and persistent gender dysphoria kind of 128 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: tells us they thought that they're going to grow up 129 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 4: to be transsexual people. That they're going to want to 130 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 4: grow to transition deficit sex. Well, hey, let's let's make 131 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 4: if easier for them. Let's make them pass more as 132 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: the opposite sex, you know, give them a better outcome 133 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: so that they appear more like the opposite sex. Well, 134 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 4: what do we have to do, Well, let's just arrest 135 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 4: their puberty. You know. Puberty blockers had previously been used, 136 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: you know, for things like chemical castration of sex offenders, 137 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 4: et cetera, but also to treat prostate cancer in different 138 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: forms of cancer. And it also precocious puberty kids that 139 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: started going through puberty really early, like five six seven, 140 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 4: and so they wanted to stave off puberty. And so 141 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: they thought, well, if we block their natural development, keep 142 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 4: them from developing, and then feed them cross sex hormones, 143 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 4: then we can kind of manufacture, kind of engineer them 144 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: into an opposite sex body, which doesn't happen because people 145 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 4: don't fully become the opposite sex. That's impossible for anyone 146 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 4: to change their sex. But what it does do is 147 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: it tethers them to the medical system. It sets them 148 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: up for really complicated and high risk surgeries, and they're 149 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 4: also oftentimes very unsuccessful. So you know, there are unsuccessful, 150 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: the surgeries are unsuccessful. And then also kids can be 151 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 4: you know, our bodies aren't supposed to be dosed with 152 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 4: high doses of opposite sex hormones and then and and 153 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: for our natural hormones to be blocked. And that's what 154 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 4: these these blockers do. They block their natural hormones. So 155 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 4: for a little boy, they're testosterone, they just can't do it. 156 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 4: It blocks their testosterone. And then as they go through puberty, 157 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 4: then they're given estrogen, and they're given estrogen and they 158 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: have to continue to remain on these puberty blockers until 159 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 4: they get what they euphemistically call bottom surgery, which is 160 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 4: essentially castration. And so then they're testing can't produce this 161 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 4: the test fosterone for their body anymore, and they don't 162 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 4: have to stay on the pubity blockers. They just remain 163 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 4: on an astra for the rest of their lives. Well, 164 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 4: it's it's experimental, it's high risk, it's you know, there's 165 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 4: a lot of euphemismers around it. Like I said, it's 166 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: called gender affirming care, but this is not care. A 167 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: lot of people are really being harmed by this, and 168 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: I don't want to say that there haven't been. I 169 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 4: don't know if the word is good outcomes, but it's 170 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 4: not that there haven't been people who say, oh, I've 171 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 4: you know, benefited from from these treatments. But mostly they're adults. 172 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 4: They're adults who have made this decision in adulthood, and 173 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: believe it or not, it's not just gay and lesbian 174 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: people that are speaking out about this. It's many, many, 175 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 4: many what typically was called transsexual people. I have so 176 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 4: many trans friends who are adults and who say this 177 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 4: has to stop. I made this decision as an adult. 178 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 4: This has gotten completely out of hands. You know, this 179 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 4: is a social contagent. There are so many kids and 180 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 4: adolescents that are identifying as transgender and being taken to 181 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: these gender clinics, and they're not really transit, they're not 182 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: really transsexual. Or perhaps they will just grow up to 183 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 4: be gay and lesbian and gender nonconforming. There's nothing wrong 184 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 4: with gender nonconformity. There's nothing wrong with avoid being a 185 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 4: seminin or a girl being masculine and growing up that way. 186 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: You know, we are a natural variation of our sex. 187 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 4: I grew up very effeminate as a kid, and I 188 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 4: was just like that, and I know that I would 189 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 4: have been affirmed as a transgender girl if I was 190 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: growing up now. And that's what you know, really concerns 191 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 4: me is that can you hold on? 192 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 2: Because I want to talk about that social contagion phrase 193 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: that you used, Sure, all right? And other things, Benipel, 194 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: And he's got a memoir coming out called Cis White 195 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: Gay The Making of a gender Heretic. And he's written 196 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: a piece which appeared in the Daily Mail that he 197 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: is increasingly getting skeptical about this movement to send young 198 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: children through transition gender affirming care, which is eventually going 199 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: to lead to puberty blockers and then surgery as they 200 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: become transsexual. 201 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: And it seems to have taken over Pride Month everywhere 202 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: along the planet. This seems to be the top issue 203 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: trans writes, but also this movement for gender affirming care 204 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: for young people. We got more coming up. Johnny KENKFI 205 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 3: AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio apps. 206 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 207 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 5: AM six forty around. 208 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: The radio one till four after four o'clock. It becomes 209 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: the Johnny kN on demand podcast. We continue with Bennipel. 210 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: Benipel is a writer in New York. He's Gay has 211 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: got a book coming out Cis White Gay The Making 212 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: of a gender Heretic, and he's got a piece in 213 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: the Daily Mail seriously questioning this whole trend towards. 214 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: Putting gender affirming right. 215 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, children is to gender affirming care, which eventually leads 216 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: to puberty blockers and leads to surgery. It leads to 217 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: boys becoming girls and girls becoming boys. 218 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: And yeah, if you get carried away with this, just 219 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: because a boy is feminine and does exhibit gay tendencies, 220 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: is something you want to turn them into a female, 221 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: that may not be the best decision in the long run. 222 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: He says, this is going to slowly erase gay people 223 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: from society if you transition the kids when they're young, 224 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: because they show a certain affinity for having interest that 225 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 2: the opposite sex normally would have. Ben, let's get Ben 226 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: Apel back on here. Ben, you mentioned in the last 227 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: segment social contagion, and I've read a lot about this phenomena. 228 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: Can you explain how it. 229 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: Works, especially among young children or teenagers. 230 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, social contagion. I mean, Abigails Treia 231 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: wrote a book about this, and there's been a lot 232 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 4: of reach alitment and John studies on this and there's 233 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 4: a term for this, you know, it's called ROGD, which 234 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: is rapid onset gender dysphoria. That's how they classify, you know, 235 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 4: young adolescents, teens that kind of suddenly identify as trans. 236 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 4: They they have many of them have never had even 237 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: a history of any kind of gender nonconformity, and they 238 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 4: just suddenly become uh, totally enraptured with this ideology. They 239 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 4: see it online on social media. You know, they hear 240 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 4: about it in school, they are taught about it by 241 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 4: you know, teachers and these seminars, et cetera. And then 242 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: they you know think, oh, you know, maybe this is me. 243 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: I feel awkward, I feel you know, different, because who 244 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 4: doesn't win their teens and adolescents. And then you know, 245 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 4: they they developed this this you know, identity, and then 246 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: they h you know, it just becomes a popular thing 247 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 4: in groups of kids to to all take on this 248 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 4: this identity, and it becomes uh uh you know, almost 249 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: like a It's just a social contagion that goes around 250 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 4: these groups. It especially affects adolescent girls, teen girls. You know, 251 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: it's do you. 252 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: Think they're actually lesbian? 253 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: No? No, they actually start to they identify as transgender, 254 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 4: so they say that they're actually boys or they're actually guys, 255 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 4: and you know, they get really love bombed on social 256 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 4: media and in their schools and whatever. And they a 257 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: lot of times to kids that are you know, more privileged, 258 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 4: and they think, oh, this kind of will earn me 259 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 4: some cultural cachet, some social cache if I identify as 260 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: this kind of marginalized group, I'll be you know, pity 261 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 4: their victimized or treated as special. And you know, in 262 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: our current society, they feel like they can you know, 263 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: earn a little bit of cachet that way and and 264 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 4: and identify as such. 265 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: Well, if they don't get caught up in gender affirming care, 266 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: does that all fade away over time as they grow up? 267 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: Uh? It can? I mean, So the thing is about 268 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 4: with like the social Canadian aspect at R O g D. 269 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: There's not a lot First of all, there's not a 270 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: lot of studies that are done on you know, adolescents 271 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: that that transition that are you know, even younger. But 272 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 4: this new cohort of people, the spike that we've seen 273 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: in the recent years of adolescents and teens identifying is 274 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 4: that you know, transgender when they've never had any gender nonconformity. 275 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 4: There's you know what, what's what's going to happen. We 276 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 4: just know that there are more de transitioners coming out 277 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 4: that were affirmed as the opposite sex erroneously, you know, 278 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 4: taking to gender clinics, and then you know, their parents 279 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: unfortunately are told falsely that their kid is going to 280 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 4: commit suicide if they don't affirm them in their opposite gender, 281 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 4: and so they're essentially coerced and and and into into 282 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 4: affirming this, and and it becomes they make the decisions 283 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 4: that are irreversible and we regret them, and then they 284 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 4: end up de transitioning, and so there are lawsuits. Now 285 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: there are lawsuits. I think a second one was just 286 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 4: announced of a young woman, you know, suing. I don't 287 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: know if it's their doctors or insurance companies for approving this, 288 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: but there are going to likely be a lot more lawsuits, 289 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: and that's probably what will turn some of this around. 290 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 4: But yeah, people are really being harmed. I know them personally. 291 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: I know de transition to gay men. I mentioned some 292 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 4: of them in my article. I know de transition gay women, 293 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 4: and I know de transition straight people. You know who 294 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 4: were caught up in this and young people who who 295 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 4: were just taken over by this ideology. A lot of 296 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 4: them discovered it in college in their early years in 297 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 4: college with with with gender ideology and all of that, 298 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: and then they just get swept up in it and 299 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 4: it becomes a really bad thing, and it just affects 300 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 4: a lot of people, and it harms a lot of people. 301 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: I just have a minute here, and you talk about detransitioning, 302 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: what do they do with to de transition somebody? This 303 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: is after they've already had the surgery and the hormones 304 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: and so what happens. 305 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 4: So that's a really good question. I mean, some of 306 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 4: them have had surgery, you know, women, uh, with stectomies, 307 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 4: so they there isn't a lot of skin left to 308 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 4: do a breast reconstruction. Besides the fact that you know, 309 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 4: sensation is essentially ruined or compromised, and you know they 310 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 4: can't breastfeed, et cetera if they choose to have children. 311 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 4: For men, obviously, you know, doing any kind of Spottom surgery, 312 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 4: it means castration. So that's difficult, uh, certainly for men 313 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: who have detransitioned to you know, to recover from and 314 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 4: live with and they can and do have lives, but 315 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 4: it's it's it's a really traumatic thing to overcome. They 316 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 4: don't or can't produce testosterone naturally anymore because they don't 317 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 4: have their testees, so they have to beyond test for 318 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 4: the rest of their lives some kind of hormone. And 319 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 4: it's it's likely testosterone, because they can masculine eye again. 320 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 4: Uh and and that's it's it's it's a long process. 321 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 4: They can develop breasts, their hair is different for girls, 322 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 4: for women, their voices are permanently lowered, and of course 323 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: this effects fertility. You know, it renders a lot of 324 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 4: people sterile, especially obviously when they've they've gotten bottom surgery 325 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 4: for men. Uh. It also when they're these kids who 326 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 4: are given puberty blockers followed by classics hormones, they actually 327 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 4: are end up being sexually dysfunctional as well and likely 328 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 4: never are able to experience climax, especially for boys. And 329 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 4: so you know, there's just a long uphill battle. But 330 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 4: the thing is is that because this is all experimental, 331 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 4: they're you know, doing this blindly and operating blindly, and 332 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 4: these doctors really are performing experiments on these kids. Then 333 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 4: what do you think happens with the d transitioners. Well, 334 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 4: they don't know what to do with them, you know, 335 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 4: endocrinologists who don't know. They don't They want them to 336 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 4: go back to the same gender clinics that did these 337 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 4: things to them. So these people have to go and say, okay, 338 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 4: now help me. And these people who have done this 339 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 4: oftentimes frame it as part of their gender journey, so 340 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 4: they say, oh, you're not detransitioning, you're retransitioning. You're retransitioning 341 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 4: to your original or another gender or your original gender. 342 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 4: And it's like, no, I made this horrible mistake and 343 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 4: you allowed me to do this, and I was never 344 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 4: transsexual in the first place. 345 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: All right, Ben, we have to go. We appreciate talking 346 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 3: to you so much. 347 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's 348 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: Ben up Pel. 349 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: You can follow him on Twitter at Ben and then 350 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: this last name is spelled app e l. The book 351 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: will be called Cis White Gay The Making of a 352 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 3: Gender Heretic And he talked as a gay man about 353 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: how this whole trans and gender affirming thing is out 354 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: of control. Here during Pride Month, Johnny ken k if 355 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 3: I am six forty live everywhere I heard rate. 356 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 357 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 358 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: All right, well, if you are not going to punish 359 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 3: the drug dealers and you're not going to go after 360 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 3: the drug users when you have a problem in San 361 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: Francisco with fentanyl, then just try to grab them as 362 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: much fentanel as you can take it away from being 363 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: involved in the whole process. We have a report on 364 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 3: this coming now from Alex Stone, ABC News for KFI. 365 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: Alex, Yeah, I mean, at least the state will argue 366 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: that they are now cracking down on those They made 367 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: about one hundred arrests as part of this. But what 368 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: this is is an operation that began six weeks ago 369 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: where the state said, all right, they are going to 370 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: make this a military operation in a way with the 371 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 2: National Guard involved and the Highway Patrol doing the law 372 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 2: enforcement part of it from civilian law enforcement acting as 373 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: the state police, since the CHP is the State Police 374 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: of California. And Newsom said, look, go into San Francisco. 375 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: About thirty agencies set this up, get rid of the 376 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: open air drug markets, the rampant drug use leading to 377 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: the other crimes in the city that we all know 378 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: that they're dealing with and they have gone in and 379 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: it has been in some ways like a military operation 380 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: with a command post and carrying it out is Officer 381 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: Andrew Barclay, HP out of Patrol telling us. 382 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 6: We're stopping vehicles with you know, thousands, hundreds of thousands 383 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 6: of potentially lethal doses of fentanyl. 384 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: So this offensive running through the command center in a 385 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: high rise building, going after those who could be dealing, 386 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 2: could be buying a drugs, and pretty incredible numbers that 387 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: they've got in the first six weeks, they've netted four 388 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: point two kilos of fentanyl. That is enough to kill 389 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: two point one million people, three times a population of 390 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: San Francisco, and a lot of it comes down guys 391 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: to They are pulling over a lot of cars. If 392 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: you've ever ridden with a cop, they will tell you 393 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: they can find a reason to pull you over. You 394 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: change lanes without a blinker, you were speeding, you're waving 395 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 2: a little bit, you have a cracktail, like if they 396 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: want to find out what's going on in that car, 397 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: they can. 398 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: And they're pulling a lot of people over. 399 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 6: As with anything that comes to the city of San Francisco, 400 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 6: it has to get here somehow. So if we have 401 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 6: fentanyl coming into the city, it has to be delivered 402 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 6: to San Francisco somehow. Very often that's done in vehicles. 403 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: So they want to know who are these people and 404 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: then what are they doing in the area, And then won't. 405 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: This be profiling? 406 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: Oh well no, it's coming in five minutes. 407 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as of right now, these are people 408 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: who you know, maybe are roaming around and looks like 409 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: they've gone around the block a few times, or they're 410 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: they just don't fit in that area, that they're doing 411 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 2: something that they probably shouldn't be doing. And they are 412 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: finding that a majority of those being arrested and caught 413 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: with these drugs that they are coming in from the 414 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: outside of San Francisco. That San Francisco has become a marketplace, 415 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: the tender Loin has become a marketplace, but the people 416 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: who want to sell it, the people who want to 417 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: buy it, are coming in from from the outside. And 418 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: do they drive in to do what they want to do. 419 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: They want to put an end to that. Begin to 420 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: go out from the city. You look at the North Bay, 421 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: the South Bay, and then go even beyond that. Mike Sina, 422 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: he runs a regional drug Task Force in the Bay Area. 423 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: He tells us I. 424 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 7: Think that we finally reached the tipping point in the 425 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 7: city where the number of deaths exceeded what anyone could 426 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 7: stand anymore. 427 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: But he says the challenge is there is so much 428 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: fentanyl out there on the streets right now in the 429 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: Bay Area that they know that this is only a 430 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: drop in the bucket, but they're only beginning this operation. 431 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: It is indefinite at this point. It's going to go 432 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: on the dealers. 433 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 7: Even if they lose pounds, which is a lot of money, 434 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 7: it's like nothing to them. 435 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: And then they've got the intelligence part of this, using 436 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: the intelligence of the military of the National Guard, and 437 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: that they are helping lead a lot of that in 438 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 2: the Major General Matthew Beaver saying it's being able to 439 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: understand the networks in such a way that we can 440 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: give that information back to law enforcement and they can 441 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: make arrest They've also seized cocaine and methamphetamine, but it's 442 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: been mainly fentanyl that they've found that incredible amount of fenandol. 443 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: They have made about one hundred I think it's ninety 444 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: eight arrests with this. They say that their role, their 445 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: objective super saturating the tenderloin in other areas where there's 446 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: a lot of drug dealing going on and they want 447 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: to shut it down, and that is the objective that's 448 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: been given to them, shut it down by the state 449 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: doing it. It gets around a lot of the politics 450 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: in the city. If you've got Mayor Breed who now 451 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: is taking a little bit more of a hardline approach, 452 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: but many of the supervisors don't want to do that, 453 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of fighting going on. The supervisors 454 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: still don't they found enough fentinel to kill a half 455 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 2: million people or to two million people. Yeah, they found 456 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: two million people, and the supervisors don't want to do 457 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: anything about it. There are a lot of views in 458 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: the city of what they believe needs to be done 459 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: to clean things up or not clean it up. And 460 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: then you got the police chief, Scott Bill Scott in 461 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: the kind of in the middle of it, saying, you know, 462 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: he's got to do what his bosses tell him to do, 463 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: the mayor and the soups and and figure out how 464 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: they're going to move forward. But this allows the state 465 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 2: to say, Hey, we're going to come in, but we're 466 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: going to super saturated the area and then they'll do it. 467 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: Going back to how can introduce this If you're not 468 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: going to go after the people are supplying the fentinyl 469 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: or go after the people who are using the fentinil, 470 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: at least if you destroy the distribution system and grab 471 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: the fentinil, that's going to have a great effect. That's 472 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: what they're doing, right right, said the supervisors are against that. Well, 473 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: this operation itself, no, not necessarily, but how the city 474 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: moves on and what the city should do about it. 475 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: There's a lot of debate there, and that's where you 476 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: don't get a lot of agreement on how hard should 477 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: they be, what should they do, who should they prosecute? 478 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 4: All of that. 479 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: So this is kind of taking. 480 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: Their role and making it a state operation and saying, 481 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: well they will handle it then. But yeah, in the 482 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: city there's still very much a debate of how hard 483 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: do they want to be, what is the answer? You know, 484 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: how much of a role of this is homelessness and 485 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: then everything else. They look around and they see what's 486 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 2: happened to their city. Well, I mean all the companies 487 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: that have left now, the flagship Whole Foods yesterday, the 488 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 2: west A shopping center, saying that they were giving up 489 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: their lease because of partly because the economics of San Francisco, 490 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: but a lot of that is related to all of 491 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: this and what is going on. I believe it was 492 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: Nordstrom that said their Union Square room hotel where they're 493 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: walking away from the mortgage, another thousand room hotel. They're 494 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 2: walking away. They do they see it's it's in the 495 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 2: news every day, you know, And growing up in the 496 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: Bay Area, I remember taking field trips. You go the 497 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: hard Rock Cafe, you go the Exploratorium, and I mean 498 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: it was it was great. You'd go downtown, walk around 499 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 2: Union Square. Now a lot of people don't want to 500 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: obviously do that, and then the companies are bailing out 501 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: of there, and that is where I you know, with DoSM, 502 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: he's saying he sees it, he gets it. I mean, 503 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 2: that's his argument in this whole thing, and that that 504 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 2: that's part of the reason why this operation was put together. 505 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: And they're getting help from San Francisco Police. But SFPD, 506 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: by no means is able to run this thing. But 507 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: it is a it's a state run deal going down. 508 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 3: Hi, Alex, thank you very much. 509 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: You got it. Thanks Alex done. 510 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: ABC News for KFI over the operations going on between 511 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: state and local officials in San Francisco to get the 512 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 3: fentanyl off the streets. Now, part of that conversation involved 513 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: some San Francisco politicians who don't like the approach of 514 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,239 Speaker 3: arresting anyone in this war on drugs. Well, turns out 515 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 3: when we come back, we have a little quick debate 516 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 3: between the San Francisco Mayor, London Breed and one of 517 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: these officials, a Board of supervisor named Dean Preston. Believe 518 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: it or not, his district includes the tenderloin where this 519 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: product is with this whole problem is out of control. 520 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 3: He doesn't like arresting people. You'll hear the conversation. Johnny Ken, 521 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: KFI AM six forty Live Everywhere, iHeartRadio app. 522 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 523 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 524 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: John the Air four after four o'clock. 525 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: Oh, we had a lot of good stuff so far 526 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 2: today and if you missed it, you go to the 527 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 2: Johnny Ken on demand podcast and listen to it later on. 528 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: All right, coming up after three o'clock. 529 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: More on the bus of migrants that was sent by 530 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 3: the Texas Governor to La Steve Gregory's collected some local 531 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 3: politicians response to that. Also next hour, the top politician 532 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: in our state was called a pussyfooter. I love that term. 533 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: Find out who called you some a pussy footer. 534 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: He's half right. 535 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get to that in the big three o'clock hour. 536 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: All right, Well, we're just talking about San Francisco's fentanel problem. 537 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 3: They claim they grabbed a lot of it from entering 538 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: the city. However, supposedly it's a drop in the bucket. 539 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: The San Francisco mayor London breed. Let me just get 540 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: to this because I want to play this audio. It's 541 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: really important. Yeah, I just want to say the drop 542 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: in the bucket. You know how much four kilograms is 543 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: nine pounds? That's all I got. They got nine pounds. Well, 544 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: heck of, it's enough to kill two million people. 545 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: Because you only need two or three grains. 546 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 3: Ok. Then heck of, everybody isn't dead. 547 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: They haven't snorted it yet. 548 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: No, I mean, all fentanyl's being used in the United States. 549 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 3: We should have millions dead if it takes a couple 550 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: of grands. I've never understood that there's just so little 551 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: in your I know, they mix it in with the opioids. 552 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't. 553 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 3: Just thought, if it takes so little to kill you, 554 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 3: you think there be a lot more dead people than 555 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: there are. 556 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: Always a good question we should ask somebody who knows. 557 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: All right, San Francisco mayor London Breed has made some 558 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: noise about going back to arresting people, dealers and even users. 559 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: One board of supervisor by the name of Dean Preston 560 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: his district includes the ugly tenderloin. They got into it 561 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 3: at a recent meeting about arresting people. Listen to this audio. 562 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 8: Over the last week, our police and sheriff have worked 563 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 8: in coordination to make arrest for those who are posing 564 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 8: a danger to themselves or others, and who are disrupting 565 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 8: our neighborhoods. As of yesterday, thirty eight people have been 566 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 8: arrested or cited under this effort. Some say what we 567 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 8: are doing is very controversial, But if it was happening 568 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 8: in front of your home, would you feel like it's controversial, 569 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 8: If your kids had to walk through this, if your 570 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 8: family members had to deal with this every single day, 571 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 8: if it was happening outside of your business, would you 572 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 8: feel that it's controversial? It would feel necessary and urgent, 573 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 8: and it. 574 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 9: Is to be clear, the city's overdose prevention plan, as 575 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 9: I mentioned, written by DPH and endorsed by you, specifically 576 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 9: noted that quote. Black, brown, and Indigenous communities nationwide have 577 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 9: long been impacted by, and continue to be impacted by, 578 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 9: the racism and criminalization that have been the hallmark of 579 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 9: federal US drug policy for the past several decades. Will 580 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 9: you follow your own Department of Public Health's advice an 581 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 9: end punitive policy, specifically arresting and incarcerating drug users that 582 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 9: increase fatal overdoses, or will you ramp up these strategies, 583 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 9: ignoring the advice of public health experts, and causing even 584 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 9: more overdose depths. 585 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 8: Here we go, another white man who's talking about black 586 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 8: and brown people as if you're the savior of those 587 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 8: people and you speak for them. I have a sister 588 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 8: that I lost to a drug overdose in the city. 589 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 8: I have friends and family members who have been lost 590 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 8: in the tenderloin with no aggressive action, no changes to policies. 591 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 8: Have you ever spent time talking to any of those 592 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 8: same black and brown people who are addicted to drugs 593 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 8: on our streets in San Francisco to understand their challenges 594 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 8: and what they need and what we need to do 595 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 8: as a city to turn their lives around. That is 596 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 8: the focus of what I plan to do. Regardless of 597 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 8: what you read or what you see in a particular report, 598 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 8: which is an overall view of what's happening. The fact 599 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 8: is it's not just services, it's also force. I'm going 600 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 8: to continue to make sure that we are providing treatment, 601 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 8: providing compassionate care. But at the end of the day, 602 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 8: when we need to make a rest because someone's break 603 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 8: in the law and need to be held accountable and 604 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 8: can potentially be forced into treatment of services, I'm gonna 605 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 8: do so. 606 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that brings us back to us the problem with 607 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 3: Prop forty seven. Remember it took away what you had 608 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 3: as a tool to get the drugging into some form 609 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: of treatment by reducing it from a felony to a misdemeanor. 610 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 3: This just let loose the entire and I believe homeless 611 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: drug problem that we have. 612 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but boy, he was a smug little rat, 613 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: wasn't he always? 614 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 3: A proud Democrat socialist? 615 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: Yes, and a white guy. 616 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: And I am fed up with these politicians using race 617 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 2: as an excuse to allow all kinds of mayhem in 618 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: the street. Well, you know, the drug laws go after 619 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: black and brown people only if they're committing crimes by 620 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: using and distributing the drugs. The crimes, as written in 621 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: the book, is whether you're using the drugs, distributing the drugs, 622 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: making the drugs. The crime is not what you're the 623 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: color or of your skin is at the time you're 624 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 2: committing the crime. And that that whole smug attitude has 625 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 2: to be blasted through. And I guess a black woman 626 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: can get away with it by putting him in his 627 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: place place right. 628 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 3: Seeing Sacramento, that's why they wouldn't pass any bills to 629 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 3: crack down on fentanyl dealers. It's the same thing with 630 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 3: the loss to war on drugs all over again. 631 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: And who doesn't kill why that's why this guy, what's 632 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: his name, Dean Preston Preston, it kills black and Hispanic people. 633 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: They're primarily the victims of his stupid policy. He's actively 634 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: killing people. If that's not the most racist act. When 635 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: you have a policy that you could easily change and 636 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 2: it ends up murdering hundreds in your city, then you 637 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 2: are the murderous racist let me return. 638 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 3: It was LA's turn for a bus of migrants. Steve 639 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 3: Gregory will give us more coverage of this bus of 640 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 3: migrants that was sent by the Texas Governor La. 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