Speaker 1: The guy woke up in another reality. I didn't listen to one.
Speaker 2: It's it's really cool. He's shut it out, but like
Speaker 2: he goes to he's like do it. Working this summer
Speaker 2: job for his dad, like clearing brush. He's like off
Speaker 2: in the woods and like doing these like they take
Speaker 2: these three wheelers out there. Him and this other kid
Speaker 2: that he's working with. It's like sixteen or something, and
Speaker 2: they're like, guys, a storm is coming. They start like
Speaker 2: racing back, like the storm catches them. Like they're flying
Speaker 2: like speeding as fasts they can, and then they hit
Speaker 2: this log and he like remembers seeing like the ground
Speaker 2: flying below him like he at super fast speed, and
Speaker 2: then like looks up and sees his head is headed
Speaker 2: for this like stump that is going to like demolish him.
Speaker 2: And then the next thing he knows, he's waking up
Speaker 2: in those woods on a sunny day and doesn't know
Speaker 2: how he got there, and everyone, the guy he was
Speaker 2: with is just coming out of the woods being like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I just took a piss break and you said you
Speaker 2: were gonna like wait there and just comes back and.
Speaker 1: Is but everything else was unchanged.
Speaker 2: Everything there was no storm, but it was like a
Speaker 2: different day. It was earlier in the day.
Speaker 1: So did the theirgun hard reset.
Speaker 2: Basically, he did the fair gun hard reset exactly. Wow,
Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three forty two,
Speaker 2: Episode three of Dan's Ice production of iHeartRadio. This is
Speaker 2: a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's
Speaker 2: shared consciousness. And it is Wednesday, June twelfth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: It is okay after all?
Speaker 1: Oh that it is June twelfth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say you're gonna twenty the days, dude, it's
Speaker 3: six twelve twenty four. Oh six, yeah, double six, double six,
Speaker 3: double twelve, twenty twelve, twenty four.
Speaker 2: We're really into numerology these days.
Speaker 1: Fucking knew it, dude, I knew it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's also get that finger ready, get it,
Speaker 2: get that.
Speaker 1: I'm getting it ready for today.
Speaker 3: But dude, it's National Peanut butter Cookie Day, National Jerky Day.
Speaker 1: Look shout out.
Speaker 3: Interracial marriages because also National Loving Day of the day
Speaker 3: we celebrate the Supreme Court decision of Loving versus Virginia.
Speaker 3: When I first thought it was Loving Day, I was
Speaker 3: like this, I hope this has to do with bad
Speaker 3: rather than just being like, and it's a hallmark greeting
Speaker 3: card day and also National Red Rose Day.
Speaker 1: But anyway, shout out peanut.
Speaker 2: But it is like it is the Supreme Court decision.
Speaker 1: That's not just a no, it is it is.
Speaker 3: It is Hell is the anniversary of the nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: seven Supreme Court decision that said, hey, man, just if
Speaker 3: you like them, just do it, man, just get with them.
Speaker 3: You know, these anti anti iagination laws are fucked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, Well, my name is Jack O'Brien AKA.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I washed my piggies. Sorry, y'all lied,
Speaker 4: I washed piggies one, two, three, four and five. That
Speaker 4: one's courtesy of Salvador Jolly Little Step into a World by.
Speaker 2: KRS one AKA. I do wish there was like more
Speaker 2: brag wraps about just how good you are at washing
Speaker 2: your feet, how thorough, how thorough you are. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's in reference to the conversation we had both both
Speaker 2: certified foot washers on this podcast. I guess we're a
Speaker 2: little weird in that one.
Speaker 3: Wash the feet man, and it was dead skin accumulations
Speaker 3: on your fucking come on, yeah, wash.
Speaker 2: The ships or put them in that little pool with
Speaker 2: the with the fishies that heat, the dead skin.
Speaker 1: That dead given me. I don't have I don't have
Speaker 1: that kind of money. Yeah, I just keep one of
Speaker 1: those on deck.
Speaker 2: It's just fish and then when I'm done, I just
Speaker 2: throw them out. Most wasteful thing. Uh. I'm thrilled to
Speaker 2: be joined as always by my co host mister Miles.
Speaker 1: Grandma freak.
Speaker 5: There was this Mile was Gray couldn't understand what Food
Speaker 5: and Wine was trying to say. When he finally realized
Speaker 5: it was probably just some AI ship, still couldn't quite
Speaker 5: explain it.
Speaker 2: A stupid em.
Speaker 1: Z s explointed weeks exploin anyway.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Yo Yo Snap on the discord in
Speaker 3: my ongoing obsession with the Food and Wine article that said,
Speaker 3: that's talking about fucking holloway.
Speaker 2: We gotta get we gotta get our guests opinion on
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 6: You know, do you know what do you guys do
Speaker 6: an original intro like that for every episode every day?
Speaker 2: Exactly? How do you do that?
Speaker 6: We have great listeners, who are they submitting this crowd
Speaker 6: source resource risks? It's kind of ord. I would run
Speaker 6: run out in like a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, six point five years ago and the listeners have
Speaker 2: been subscriber providing them ever since.
Speaker 6: Thank god, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But let me before we introduce them, let me just
Speaker 1: ask this.
Speaker 3: So, this is a Food and Wine magazine article that
Speaker 3: I believe might be written by ar Ai Or is
Speaker 3: the most hard to understand article. It's about Eminem's pumpkin
Speaker 3: pie chocolate candies coming out earlier than the Halloween season,
Speaker 3: and they say it's because young people celebrate the holiday earlier. Again,
Speaker 3: I just need your help on this, miss Miles. I'm
Speaker 3: just I'm excited to talk to this guy. I know,
Speaker 3: I know, but I have to put some shit has
Speaker 3: to get addressed real quick. So just help me understand.
Speaker 3: What is the point of this paragraph here, Jack, The
Speaker 3: pre seasonal launch of the milk chocolate pumpkin pie Eminem's
Speaker 3: is a strategic move that taps into mars market research.
Speaker 3: This research indicates that gen Z and Millennials plan to
Speaker 3: celebrate Halloween by dressing up and planning for the holiday
Speaker 3: about six point eight weeks beforehand. Well, well six point
Speaker 3: eight weeks from Memorial Day is the fourth of July,
Speaker 3: so you still have plenty of time to latch onto
Speaker 3: a pop culture trend and turn it into a creative costume.
Speaker 3: Look at his face exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: That's not even a thought. Yeah, it doesn't AI or
Speaker 6: how old is it? It's definitely AI. It just came out, so,
Speaker 6: oh it's AI. They're already using it, right, Yeah, they're
Speaker 6: already using it. Yeah, it's been hot. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna have to name you. Melissa Kravitz Hoffner.
Speaker 1: I see you.
Speaker 6: Person's not even real. I guarantee they're not even real.
Speaker 3: Oh you have an I I've been I've been instagram
Speaker 3: messaging them constantly being like, answer me, clarify.
Speaker 6: This, Marissa Kravitz Hoffner. Yeah, oh that's an insane.
Speaker 1: You're like they died forty eight years ago.
Speaker 2: It's it's so convoluted because like the AI shit will
Speaker 2: just kind of melt down in a way that makes
Speaker 2: I don't know, it has like a very particular form
Speaker 2: where this feels like they're trying to put ideas together
Speaker 2: and they're just falling asleep.
Speaker 3: Maybe might hit the creative button when they had that
Speaker 3: article get generated or something, right, I mean, so I
Speaker 3: just took liberties anyway. Anyway, I'm glad I was validated
Speaker 3: by his response.
Speaker 2: There, Yes, all right, well we are thrilled to be
Speaker 2: joined in our third seat by that voice you're hearing
Speaker 2: the director, journalist, host behind the really great podcast, my
Speaker 2: favorite new podcast I was this morning when I just
Speaker 2: started binging it. I can't stop listening to Other World.
Speaker 2: Please welcome Jack Wag. Thank you guys, thanks, thanks for
Speaker 2: coming on. I don't have a song to sing along
Speaker 2: with my name, but you know the rarely do fix
Speaker 2: it and post. Okay, well, just AI generate one for
Speaker 2: for right.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you for having me, Thanks for coming.
Speaker 2: On the show. The show's right. You've been doing it
Speaker 2: for how long?
Speaker 6: I think a year and a half. Yeah, probably about
Speaker 6: about that at this point. I started it Halloween twenty
Speaker 6: twenty two, so like the end of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 6: and I thought it was going to be just a
Speaker 6: few episodes, and I have not stopped chained to it.
Speaker 1: Wait, how did you think it?
Speaker 3: Because I mean, maybe explain to people with the show
Speaker 3: that if they don't know, But I'm curious how you
Speaker 3: thought it would only be a limited run.
Speaker 6: So the story, I mean, it's a show I interview
Speaker 6: people who experienced something paranormal and I was kind of
Speaker 6: doing this for fun before this on my old show
Speaker 6: and that show was coming to an end, and I
Speaker 6: was sort of like, you know what, maybe this would
Speaker 6: be like a mini series that I could like sell
Speaker 6: to a network like iHeartRadio or something, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And I'm like, because I, you know, I was going
Speaker 6: to go and like kind of not have a job again.
Speaker 6: So I was like, hey, maybe this would be like
Speaker 6: a I can make a few of these. Yeah, And
Speaker 6: I shopped it around and nobody was interested, so I
Speaker 6: was kind of discouraged, but I'm like, you, I'll just
Speaker 6: like do it anyway, and like, I'll put out a
Speaker 6: few episodes for Halloween as like a little series. Maybe
Speaker 6: next Halloween somebody will pay me to do it. But
Speaker 6: it kind of took off and I just kept going
Speaker 6: and it worked. So I just haven't stopped and been
Speaker 6: doing them pretty much every week, which has been completely bonkers. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and it's gotten crazier ever since.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my life now. So the show is you interview
Speaker 2: people who have experienced something paranormal or you know, inexplicable,
Speaker 2: you know, by the rules of every day we are supernatural, yes, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you just get the story like I've heard it
Speaker 2: called like paranormal. This American life, but it's just hearing
Speaker 2: it in the voice of these people who are not
Speaker 2: generally the sorts of people that we associate with, you know.
Speaker 2: They're like, you're not going to a paranorm normal conference
Speaker 2: to like find, you know, find these people. They just
Speaker 2: sound like very normal people. In many cases, they're like,
Speaker 2: I've never told anyone this because I realize how crazy
Speaker 2: it sounds.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like not their life, and it's also not
Speaker 6: my life, which I think is Yeah, well, I think
Speaker 6: that's helpful. I mean I used to say it's not
Speaker 6: my life. I mean it's making the show is my
Speaker 6: life now, but I don't have an agenda. I think
Speaker 6: that's what And that's like I think that's what like
Speaker 6: separates Other World with other shows, is like I personally
Speaker 6: don't have anything to prove as a host necessarily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're not going like exactly right, yeah.
Speaker 6: And I try to avoid having anyone on that has
Speaker 6: something to prove themselves, right yeah, yeah, or at least
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's like I'm just not as interested
Speaker 6: in that because I think I'm more suspicious of those
Speaker 6: types of stories, and I think most people are as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you yeah, you. You do a good
Speaker 2: job of embodying like a very kind of sober, you know,
Speaker 2: normal like day to day, like this is how I
Speaker 2: would approach this story, and you tend to bring stories
Speaker 2: that are it's like, wait, this truly like feels like
Speaker 2: I'm hearing the truth from this person. And yeah, and
Speaker 2: yet it can't be can't be no, no, But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a great show. Everybody should go check
Speaker 2: it out. We were planning on doing a normal episode
Speaker 2: and then I ended up writing like forty questions for you,
Speaker 2: so we'll probably end up talking please a little bit,
Speaker 2: go do whatever you need to do. Yeah, yeah, before
Speaker 2: we get to it, we do like to get to
Speaker 2: know you a little bit better by asking you, what
Speaker 2: is something Jack Wagner from your search history that is
Speaker 2: revealing about who you are?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, this is the one I was not
Speaker 6: quite prepared for. But my search history in general is
Speaker 6: like insane because of this show. So like I'm just
Speaker 6: costantly I'm content. I mean, i could look at my
Speaker 6: search it might be boring today, but I'm constantly looking
Speaker 6: up stuff where I'm like, oh, I'm for sure gonna
Speaker 6: end up on some watch list, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like a lot of podcast hosts
Speaker 3: who have deep dive shows have some version like there's
Speaker 3: no way I'm not on a watch list based on
Speaker 3: the shit I look up just for my show.
Speaker 6: But a funny one the other day that like in
Speaker 6: the middle of the interview, something came up where like
Speaker 6: we were talking about you know those pictures on like
Speaker 6: Hallmark cards where it'll be like a black and white
Speaker 6: photo of two little kids, usually dressed as adults, like
Speaker 6: wearing like nineteen forty suits, and it'll be like a
Speaker 6: little boy holding a flower up to the girl or
Speaker 6: like kissing.
Speaker 2: Around the cheek. Yeah, Like I don't know whatever those
Speaker 2: are called.
Speaker 6: I was trying to figure out the name of the photographer,
Speaker 6: and I was having a lot of trouble. I think
Speaker 6: it's Kim Anderson, by the way, But like during the interview,
Speaker 6: which was like video recorded too, I kept doing this search,
Speaker 6: and all of the searches I was doing were for
Speaker 6: sure going to end up like getting me on one
Speaker 6: of the watch lists, because I was typing in like
Speaker 6: cute romantic children like.
Speaker 2: The photos.
Speaker 1: Black and white.
Speaker 2: On a date like this guy's a freak.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's definitely like a page of ship like that
Speaker 6: and kids doing adult stuff.
Speaker 2: A second, it sounds like a guy.
Speaker 6: It sounds like like somebody on their first day of
Speaker 6: being a pedophile. Yeah, they don't know what to search yet.
Speaker 6: They like like how kids used to when you were
Speaker 6: a kid, and you would search like naked women boob Yeah,
Speaker 6: yeah whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to be greedy, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to come off like a weirdo just boob.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: The kid in that scenario is also like an old prospector.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, I'm looking for That's a pretty good one.
Speaker 3: You didn't even realize that there was like a sort
Speaker 3: of like a Getty's kind of Yeah, I didn't like.
Speaker 2: An tourist theory.
Speaker 6: Name drop on the other photography babies great name drop it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's the one who did the Wye Winers? You know?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about that It's like it was, oh,
Speaker 3: William Wegman. If you look up, there was like in
Speaker 3: the guy would dress up wyriiners and like human clothing
Speaker 3: and they were like the dogs. I was like, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I did not know what word you're
Speaker 6: I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the dog.
Speaker 6: I wonder if all of them I hate these photos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, they're just like I'm sorry, well, dud,
Speaker 1: they're fucking they're just they're yeah, they're angering.
Speaker 6: I hope you googled that and that wasn't like a
Speaker 6: poll off the Dome. I would be so impressed.
Speaker 1: But I knew, I just knew.
Speaker 2: I knew.
Speaker 3: I knew his name, but I always know it's the
Speaker 3: wine Reiner photographer guy.
Speaker 6: Because it's I'm impressed that you know the breed winem Reiner.
Speaker 3: It's because you know what, my dad's also a photographer,
Speaker 3: and he would always talk cash shit about these pictures.
Speaker 1: He's like, what the fuck is He's like, you're dressing
Speaker 1: up dogs?
Speaker 6: Either way, I wonder if these three link up right, right,
Speaker 6: William was like an event of like or they just
Speaker 6: fucking hate each other, right, I'm thinking I hate each other.
Speaker 2: That would be a great like like.
Speaker 6: And Gaddy's is so pissed because like he got the
Speaker 6: big Hallmark deal in ninety four, right, and like, like
Speaker 6: you believe they're making fucking porcelain figurines out of his dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wine Renders seemed to be taken somewhat seriously.
Speaker 7: Is that?
Speaker 2: Am I like more seriously than the kids you know
Speaker 2: on the yeah you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like it was like a thing like serious.
Speaker 3: People were like, oh, like I have the William Wegman book,
Speaker 3: Sure of a Fucking Dog wearing a robe?
Speaker 2: Okay, and they all like look down on Lisa Frank
Speaker 2: because she's like.
Speaker 6: I have, Lisa's a artist, Lisa's a goat and omar
Speaker 6: William Wegman. See this is like, I think this is
Speaker 6: emblematic of the nineties in a way that gets lost,
Speaker 6: like this is what shit was actually like in the
Speaker 6: late nineties and early two thousand, Is that when this
Speaker 6: was going down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like I mean it was big, definitely,
Speaker 3: like he was working through like from the seventies on.
Speaker 3: But I feel like I'm reading Yeah.
Speaker 2: For more than forty years, artist William Wegman has been
Speaker 2: making portraits and videos of his own beloved Wimariner dogs,
Speaker 2: which have appeared in countless publications and featured on Sesame
Speaker 2: Street and Saturday Night Life.
Speaker 6: I think it was probably like late nineties, early aughts,
Speaker 6: but this type of shit people know why do pay
Speaker 6: but they don't know like this type of shit, Yeah,
Speaker 6: because this is what people were actually into, right that.
Speaker 6: Why does it make you guys?
Speaker 2: Is it because they appear to have human bodies their
Speaker 2: wimer rhiner heads on human bodies? Is it just the
Speaker 2: stupid simplicity of it? Vibes?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, vibes. I don't know, the vibes are atrocious.
Speaker 3: They're just I mean, like, it's just like that was
Speaker 3: where the bar kind of was, you know, for It's
Speaker 3: like and then you know, William's work sort of deals
Speaker 3: in what if wymerhiners were the bourgeoisie?
Speaker 1: You know what? What can we parse through like the
Speaker 1: analysis of his work?
Speaker 2: You know what? You know what?
Speaker 6: Like the next version of this is is like there
Speaker 6: was a period where on every like bad micro brewery,
Speaker 6: there would be like a painting of like a gorilla
Speaker 6: in like a military uniform or a suit or something.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 6: Or like a hair wearing a suit and he had
Speaker 6: a mustache. It's the same ship. Yeah, evil, great art,
Speaker 6: evil just taking a different form. You know What's that quote?
Speaker 2: But what if the animals were doing like people stuff?
Speaker 2: Is the question. So what this work of art presupposes
Speaker 2: is what if animals but people stuff Like yes, yes,
Speaker 2: there's like one really great yeah work of I was
Speaker 2: just about joke one. I'm a little avant garde. I
Speaker 2: like this painting where these dogs are playing poker.
Speaker 6: Well that's a classic. That is a classic you, I
Speaker 6: think I'm looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this should be just a show of you telling
Speaker 2: like differentiating between like pop art that is bullshit and
Speaker 2: pop art that is classic. That he's like Frank classic.
Speaker 6: I hope those other world listeners tuning in being like
Speaker 6: maybe he'll reveal secrets and it's just they're meeting the
Speaker 6: real me for the first time and it's a big disappointment.
Speaker 6: It's all about dogs playing poker. Yeah, Okay, I got
Speaker 6: to close that tab.
Speaker 2: What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 6: This was hard Probably a lot of things, but I
Speaker 6: think the show Friday Night Lights is very underrated. Have
Speaker 6: you ever seen this? I I've seen incredible the first
Speaker 6: half of the first season. Oh, you got to keep going,
Speaker 6: you got to keep going?
Speaker 2: What about you? Miles?
Speaker 3: I remember watching this is I remember the early days
Speaker 3: of Netflix when I was like, I just need like
Speaker 3: a show to like fucking watch mindlessly, and people are
Speaker 3: using Friday Night Lights and I'm like, I remember.
Speaker 2: That dive back in.
Speaker 6: It's one of the top ten all time shows in
Speaker 6: my opinion, and I'm a freak.
Speaker 1: It's really good.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean it's got like you know,
Speaker 3: like I remember, like, wait, Jesse, there's a lot of yeah,
Speaker 3: Michael B. Jordan, Michael B. Jordan, Yeah, Jesse.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And there's a great season that was like in
Speaker 6: the Writer's Strike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only one I really know about because
Speaker 2: I guess famous. It's not even that bad.
Speaker 6: It's not even that bad, but like there's something that
Speaker 6: happens while there's like the jv team writing it during
Speaker 6: the strike, right, and then the varsity team comes back
Speaker 6: in the next season and they're like, yeah, that never happened.
Speaker 6: Where it's going to ever acknowledge it. It's not going
Speaker 6: to say there's a crime that takes place that would
Speaker 6: in season to have an emotional impact that would cause
Speaker 6: people to act different. But then like everybody comes back
Speaker 6: to school the next season, they're like, hey, everybody, like
Speaker 6: how's it going, Like they have no reference to it.
Speaker 6: Everybody's fine, nobody's in therapy. But yeah, that's a it's
Speaker 6: an amazing show. It's that's like the one where I
Speaker 6: don't know. When I'm like at dinner parties or whatever,
Speaker 6: I always end up recommending it to people and people
Speaker 6: are like, what, like you like that show? It's good,
Speaker 6: and yeah, I'm always like power Through, Power Through, It's
Speaker 6: really good.
Speaker 2: So I like to the movie a lot.
Speaker 6: It's different than the movie though too, just the same
Speaker 6: source material. Right, Okay, so yeah, that's that's my underrated
Speaker 6: overrated for this. I was gonna say, any food that
Speaker 6: involves you waiting in a line at all, I think
Speaker 6: almost no this. You guys are in La. Yeah, you
Speaker 6: you're obviously familiar with the types of places I'm talking about.
Speaker 6: There's like a lot of hype places. There's Chicken was
Speaker 6: one of those. For a minute, there's like, how any
Speaker 6: I don't get, Like, I really don't get this, Like
Speaker 6: any food that requires you waiting in line, like I
Speaker 6: do not do it. I think the only time you
Speaker 6: should wait in line for food is if you're in
Speaker 6: some kind of great depression scenario and you're you're in
Speaker 6: a dole line, like a bread line. It's like a
Speaker 6: humiliating experience, right, A few minutes in the line is fine,
Speaker 6: but like sure, yeah, like a normal line, but not
Speaker 6: one or it's like, dude, you got to like get
Speaker 6: there at nine am if you want to eat by noon.
Speaker 6: You're like, there's no, it's never. There's not food that's
Speaker 6: going to be that good to get that you're going
Speaker 6: to get by waiting in a line. I'm really I'm
Speaker 6: against lines and waiting.
Speaker 2: How thing I remember people were like waiting in multiple
Speaker 2: hour lines, yeah, to.
Speaker 6: Get What I've realized is some people like it, Like
Speaker 6: that's what That's what I've realized later. It's like some
Speaker 6: people it's not like they're willing to wait to get
Speaker 6: the food. The line is the whole thing for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I think that was the front. I do like, I
Speaker 6: don't know, I feel like cattle when I'm in the line. Oh,
Speaker 6: it's like way deeper for me. It's way deeper for me.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like, I feel like cattle. That's being
Speaker 6: shep or like a sheep. I feel like I'm being shepherd. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: your dog corralled me into this. I'm being corralled. Would
Speaker 6: there be okay, would you do a version where you
Speaker 6: took a ticket but it's still a process of waiting,
Speaker 6: but you're not in a queue. If they like texted
Speaker 6: me and I could go freely. Yeah, but at that
Speaker 6: point it's like almost like a to go order.
Speaker 1: Yeah sure sure, sure, sure, sure yeah.
Speaker 2: Now you're just gonna stand over here in this holding pen,
Speaker 2: well you wait for your number to come up. I remember,
Speaker 2: I just kind of middle about.
Speaker 3: And scraps come out of this corrugated tin tube. If
Speaker 3: you open up your mouth, you can get get a
Speaker 3: few bites.
Speaker 6: Or have you ever This is not the same thing,
Speaker 6: But have you ever been to a place that like
Speaker 6: has just a cartoonish weight time when you ask for
Speaker 6: like a table, like because I'm talking about places where
Speaker 6: you go to a counter and like order food. But
Speaker 6: there are some restaurants where I've gone in and I'll
Speaker 6: be like, hey, how long is it? Wait for two
Speaker 6: And they'll be like three hours. And I told that
Speaker 6: and I'm like, okay, So like you don't have like
Speaker 6: it's just saying no, You just say no. Just get
Speaker 6: like you're like, that's just gonna bring us to a
Speaker 6: different meal, Like that's not nobody's agree to that. Just
Speaker 6: say no, like, just say that there's not any tables
Speaker 6: because I'm obviously not going to wait three hours.
Speaker 3: There have been times I've been like all right, cool,
Speaker 3: They're like, you want to put your name down. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, I've done that too, yeah yeah, and it
Speaker 3: worked and it's like forty five minutes and you're like yeah, ah, okay,
Speaker 3: So I think you really you're just trying to put
Speaker 3: people off by saying like, loo, bro, it's fucking long.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, they just I'm just revealing that people
Speaker 6: don't like me, like I don't, they don't like no,
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think that's like obviously they're trying to
Speaker 6: scare you off. But either way, like I guess that
Speaker 6: makes the food is overrated, Like there's no way it's
Speaker 6: gonna be good enough.
Speaker 2: It's my point. When you were young younger, did you
Speaker 2: get hot lunch at school?
Speaker 6: Barely almost lunches and they weren't great?
Speaker 2: Bagging you lunches? Okay? Got it? Orre you asking?
Speaker 1: Because that's a lot right there.
Speaker 6: That's a line that I just wondered if, like how
Speaker 6: deep it went, you know, where your line's long for
Speaker 6: hot lunch?
Speaker 2: Like were you? I think sometimes it was yeah, sometimes.
Speaker 1: At most I mean it moved, you know, yeah it moved.
Speaker 6: But I was also a sack lunch kid, but you're
Speaker 6: in an institution, like you have no choice there. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's just one to another. And yeah, you're lining up
Speaker 6: all the time in school. Yeah, you go.
Speaker 3: To Disneyland and you're like, I don't know about anything.
Speaker 3: Oh that's I mean, that's a whole other things. I'll
Speaker 3: probably I mean, has anybody said Disneyland on the show
Speaker 3: like that's overrated?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, but that's like crazy overrated, Like
Speaker 6: obviously people spend their whole life doing that. It's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, going to the same part.
Speaker 6: I can't even I finally went. I went as a kid.
Speaker 6: I went one time is when in my twenties with
Speaker 6: my friends what we barely Didney thing, and then I
Speaker 6: recently went again where I'm like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go, like give it a shot. Everybody loves it.
Speaker 6: I had a fine time. I had a good time,
Speaker 6: but like I was ready to leave and the thought
Speaker 6: of going back again the next day would be crazy
Speaker 6: to me. You know, sorry if either of you guys
Speaker 6: are Disney files, but I was like, no, we're not.
Speaker 6: I did it, like I did all the stuff, Like
Speaker 6: what was I going to I'm a thirty five year
Speaker 6: old man, Like, what am I gonna do is go
Speaker 6: on It's a Small World again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. You really can't get the nuances of
Speaker 2: It's a Small World and the song in particular the
Speaker 2: first time around. You really need to. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like kind of bloom in your Yeah.
Speaker 6: People go, People go for like seven days at a
Speaker 6: time to like the different works.
Speaker 2: The thing that put me off is that there's a
Speaker 2: ride that is like just agreed to be very good
Speaker 2: by Disney Files, the Peter Pan Ride, And I waited
Speaker 2: it was a line based revelation. I waited in like
Speaker 2: an hour long line to go in it with my
Speaker 2: small child, and then got on and it was like
Speaker 2: less than two minutes. And you're just like going around
Speaker 2: like looking looking at fucking models of London toys and oh,
Speaker 2: I remember that ride. That's pretty good.
Speaker 6: No, I mean I mean like pretty good for a kid,
Speaker 6: for a kid for baby, pretty good with fifteen minutes wait,
Speaker 6: They're like, this is a must, you gotta go. I'm
Speaker 6: not a total I'm not an unfair hater. I will say,
Speaker 6: like the Star Wars ride, the new Star Wars ride
Speaker 6: is really good. That's kind of worth the wait. I
Speaker 6: waited and I was like, yeah, I'm very impressed. This
Speaker 6: is great. I heard the Avatar ride in Disney World
Speaker 6: is like causing dads to change their lives.
Speaker 2: I went on it a couple of times.
Speaker 6: Is it amazing? I think that's the closest thing that
Speaker 6: some of these guys are getting to. A psychedelic experience.
Speaker 2: Who right, is it? It's not, it's not that great.
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's like a dark ride where you're
Speaker 2: on like a basically a bike that moves you around
Speaker 2: and then it has like a giant screen in front
Speaker 2: of you and then three D glasses on and so
Speaker 2: it feel it makes you feel like you're flying. But
Speaker 2: got it. Yeah, it's cool. But it was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 6: Wanted to suicide after Avatar came out. Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? They were. They were like they like, don't make
Speaker 2: me go back.
Speaker 6: But by the way, it's an appropriate response.
Speaker 2: James Cameron, don't make me go back.
Speaker 6: They're like, yeah, it was having it was causing all
Speaker 6: these suburban dads to have like existential crisis prices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: We got something.
Speaker 6: We got a producer in the chat saying you got
Speaker 6: to bring in goodies for Disneyland to actually have fun.
Speaker 6: Oh I've had I've been there on goodies that.
Speaker 1: Was it made.
Speaker 8: And I've been there on some badies too. Yeah, I
Speaker 8: mean that made it hellish. I had some psychedelics speriences
Speaker 8: there and it was not good. I was freaking out.
Speaker 8: I saw, I saw, I was on mushrooms.
Speaker 6: And I encountered one of the parking lots that they
Speaker 6: have for like all the baby strollers, so there'll be
Speaker 6: like hundreds apart parked Bailey's baby yeah, like and we're
Speaker 6: already in this like weird concrete human landscape and I
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, oh my god, Like it just hit me.
Speaker 6: I'm like, there are so much of us, like we're
Speaker 6: a virus taking over this world.
Speaker 2: And it also from the like Holocaust me just all
Speaker 2: these like strollers like with yeah or like every front
Speaker 2: the rapture like yeah.
Speaker 6: So that hit me hard. And then they have that
Speaker 6: thing where it's like a tree. It used to be
Speaker 6: the Swiss family Robinson tree, and now it's this Tarzan
Speaker 6: tree and it's like a fake tree. It's a huge
Speaker 6: fake tree that like kids play on and stuff. And
Speaker 6: I had a meltdown about that because I was like
Speaker 6: trees are real, like like you a fake one? Like
Speaker 6: like why is this tree?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Why is there a fake tree here being presented as
Speaker 6: like a fantasy scenario alongside Aladdin and shit, yeah like
Speaker 6: you guys, I was like they. I was like they
Speaker 6: cut down trees to build this tree. That's fake and
Speaker 6: like all of these people could have taken their kids
Speaker 6: on a vacation to Yosemite, like two hours away where
Speaker 6: they could climb a real tree. I like, I mean,
Speaker 6: of course, like I'm on mushrooms thinking this yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah, and you're just blocking like one of
Speaker 1: the stairs.
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, like go back, man, go back the securities
Speaker 6: cuffing me up the closest I can't.
Speaker 2: I've come to like accessing like what a bad trip
Speaker 2: would be without taking like any psychedelics. Was like going
Speaker 2: on it's a small world and being like, god, this
Speaker 2: would be a fucking true nightmare if I was yeah anything,
Speaker 2: because it is just like going from one weird little
Speaker 2: room inside a building to another, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I'm I become like very aware of like how
Speaker 2: big the room is and like where the back wall
Speaker 2: is and yeah, there's like carpet over there, like I just.
Speaker 3: Become Oh, you're like breaking down the environment as you like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: if I'm in the wrong frame of mind, which I was. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which the trip was not bad, Disney was bad, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I admired too many thoughts. I was wise, I was
Speaker 3: receiving wisdom. Yes, the trip was bad, like what I
Speaker 3: was witnessing was bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody around you was fucked.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, like I think that is like
Speaker 6: there's a lot of truth to all of those thoughts
Speaker 6: where it's like it's a weird I mean, Disney itself
Speaker 6: is like a a replication of generally real things in
Speaker 6: the world, like like Bryce Canyon. I didn't realize I
Speaker 6: went to Bryce Canyon a few years ago. I don't
Speaker 6: know if you guys know where that it's a national
Speaker 6: park in Utah, but like I think one of the rides,
Speaker 6: like the whatever the train roller coaster is, I think
Speaker 6: it's in California Adventure, Like the landscape of that ride
Speaker 6: is based on Bryce Canyon. And I didn't realize that
Speaker 6: until I went to this place and it it looks
Speaker 6: like alien landscape.
Speaker 1: Highly recommend anybody Thunder Mountain.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, it absolutely blew my mind to see this place.
Speaker 6: I highly recommend visiting Bryce Canyon.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now that.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it, like like that's disney Land, I'm like,
Speaker 3: yeah a photo Bryce.
Speaker 2: No, exactly.
Speaker 6: So with Disney, you know, all of the stuff in
Speaker 6: there is inspired by a real place, including the castle
Speaker 6: that's like a real castle go to in Germany. I
Speaker 6: think in Less's Austria. But yeah, when I see people
Speaker 6: that just go there over and over again, it's like, Yo,
Speaker 6: you can go to the real version of this stuff,
Speaker 6: like it's out there.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they don't have a dull whip like castles are
Speaker 6: Castles are real? Like that's not made up, Like there
Speaker 6: are castles like I am chowdering a bread bull. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you could get that there too. I'm sure Germany, Bro,
Speaker 6: you get Germany, I don't know about climate. You get
Speaker 6: some kind of rock worst Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 6: Anyway. We lost all your Disney listeners. I'm sorry, that's
Speaker 6: all right. There is iHeart in any way connected to Disney.
Speaker 6: Am I gonna get like.
Speaker 2: I heart wishes? Okay, we wish.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get like assassinated.
Speaker 2: No, there's like.
Speaker 6: A somebody is screwing a silencer onto their.
Speaker 2: Disney might be like you might be a Disney plant.
Speaker 2: Like That's what one of the things I learned from
Speaker 2: your podcast is like the the government are the ones
Speaker 2: who are like putting out some of the UFO ship,
Speaker 2: Like they're like trying to make I don't know, there's
Speaker 2: like that complex mind fuck that's happened in the in
Speaker 2: the world of UFOs. Let's take a quick break. Well,
Speaker 2: we'll come back and we'll get into your show. And
Speaker 2: we're back. And I mean, Miles you had you had
Speaker 2: the question on all our minds m h off top
Speaker 2: a ghost real dog.
Speaker 1: Like and if they are, how come I don't see them?
Speaker 2: So I probably I have a theory on that. What
Speaker 2: is it? So there's this book, this neuroscientist David Eagleman
Speaker 2: who has this book Incognito about like the way the
Speaker 2: mind works and what there's like one of the things
Speaker 2: he says is there's like more wiring going from our
Speaker 2: brain to our eyes than from our eyes, Like the
Speaker 2: signals travel more from our brain to our eyes than
Speaker 2: from our eyes to our brain. And the way the
Speaker 2: point he was making is that like a lot of
Speaker 2: what we see is made up by our minds, like
Speaker 2: memory of what we know is there, and so it's
Speaker 2: like filling in your visuals with like things from your memory.
Speaker 2: And but I've that idea that like some of what
Speaker 2: you see is actually filled in by your brain also
Speaker 2: seems like it makes a lot of sense to me
Speaker 2: of like things of people seeing, Like you know, our
Speaker 2: brain is this amazing machine that like creates amazing cinematic
Speaker 2: experiences for us when we sleep at night. Like, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm I it doesn't. I don't doubt that it could
Speaker 2: like do something similar to us during our waking lives.
Speaker 2: But I also think that there's what like a counter,
Speaker 2: like the other side of that coin is if our
Speaker 2: so much of what is happening around us is just
Speaker 2: being filled in by what our brain expects to be there,
Speaker 2: then it's like papering over so much shit. And like
Speaker 2: one of the things you say on your show is
Speaker 2: that a lot of these experiences tend to happen to
Speaker 2: people who are like out of their comfort zone. So
Speaker 2: I think the anecdote that Egelman was talking about when
Speaker 2: he was talking about this is like why people die
Speaker 2: in car accidents so close to their home is because
Speaker 2: that's a place where you're like way more likely or
Speaker 2: just like filling your surroundings because you've been there a
Speaker 2: thousand times, so your brain is just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we know the streets out there, and it doesn't see
Speaker 2: like the truck speeding down the street or whatever. But
Speaker 2: it's like sort of the doors of perception thing. You're
Speaker 2: you're like narrowing what you're letting in down to a
Speaker 2: very small trickle and filling everything else and with your expectations.
Speaker 2: And so that idea really jumped out to me that
Speaker 2: you would be encountering things more when you're outside of
Speaker 2: your comfort zone because that's when your brain is actually
Speaker 2: more alive to what's happening around you, right, so you
Speaker 2: are actually taking in things that your brain would normally
Speaker 2: be papering over with like whatever your expectations of the
Speaker 2: normal world is. And so I think, you know, just
Speaker 2: that idea of that our brain and our you know,
Speaker 2: what we perceive around us is in this like constant
Speaker 2: kind of communication and interchange like kind of helps me
Speaker 2: make sense of it and also makes me make sense
Speaker 2: of maybe we're missing a lot of the crazy shit
Speaker 2: that's happening around us.
Speaker 6: Okay, you said a lot of stuff. Was it?
Speaker 1: I got it?
Speaker 6: Man, I just listened, so well, let me see. Okay, So,
Speaker 6: first of all, maybe I did say that in an episode.
Speaker 6: I don't remember saying the comfort zone thing. I do
Speaker 6: notice a pattern of people experiencing things when there's like
Speaker 6: they're going through something intense already really to their life, right,
Speaker 6: But with I think the example with like the vision
Speaker 6: is good, but I look at it kind of like
Speaker 6: the opposite way. You know, like your brain is from
Speaker 6: my understand I'm not a neuroscientist, but like it is
Speaker 6: filling in the gaps a lot. But also like like
Speaker 6: what you're seeing is you're entirely a creation of your brain.
Speaker 6: You know, like our eyes do not see in three D.
Speaker 6: Your brain is doing that. Like your brain is what
Speaker 6: makes it three dimensionals. You're like, we do not see
Speaker 6: three dimensional objects. It's like our brain is rendering that
Speaker 6: essentially using the data from our eyes. And same with
Speaker 6: your ears. You know, your ears helped with depth perception
Speaker 6: of hearing. Like all of this is just like input
Speaker 6: to your brain that's then like processing it. Right, So
Speaker 6: you could look at it, I think like the skeptical
Speaker 6: way to look at it would be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: your brain is just kind of making up the ghosts
Speaker 6: or whatever or making up whatever, and maybe it's just
Speaker 6: glitching out. The other way you could look at it
Speaker 6: is that like you really we're our eyes and ears
Speaker 6: are only able to pick up like a tiny amount
Speaker 6: of what's out there. Yeah, you're not, like what we're
Speaker 6: seeing is not actually what's there. Like, there's so much
Speaker 6: more happening right now. We're seeing visible light tiny tiny
Speaker 6: part of the spectrum, and same with the sound. And
Speaker 6: aside from that, there's other things out there. There's like
Speaker 6: like there's more, perhaps stuff we haven't even like discovered.
Speaker 6: So like the freakier way you could look at it
Speaker 6: is that maybe momentarily our brain is like picking up
Speaker 6: something else and it's not something that our brain's ever
Speaker 6: tried to process before. Yeah, so our brain's doing its
Speaker 6: best to process that, you know, Like it's kind of
Speaker 6: like imagine I think of it as like if you
Speaker 6: got like a Wi Fi card and a really old
Speaker 6: computerdo like sure, you know, like you could theoretically hook
Speaker 6: it up to the internet, but like try to do
Speaker 6: anything on that old machine, it's going to like not work,
Speaker 6: you know, Like it's not gonna be able to run
Speaker 6: the Internet essentially on a really really old computer that's
Speaker 6: so much data it's not built to do that. You know,
Speaker 6: you could do it, you could turn on Wi Fi,
Speaker 6: but like it would not be able to go to
Speaker 6: a website.
Speaker 2: We are like so incapable of perceiving things that are
Speaker 2: above our you know, capacity for you know, perception, like
Speaker 2: just by definition. So like, yeah, that's something you come
Speaker 2: it you run into all the time. If you're dealing
Speaker 2: with like a child or something like that. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's obviously very evident to you. So somebody who
Speaker 2: has like a little bit more understanding.
Speaker 6: It gets really really deep and really meta, Like you
Speaker 6: could really go crazy with it, especially just given the
Speaker 6: fact that we still don't really know what consciousness is, yeah,
Speaker 6: or like why it exists or how it exists, and
Speaker 6: like whether it's contained to an individual's body or if
Speaker 6: it could go elsewhere or if it comes from something else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know, that's like it's just sort of
Speaker 3: that unknown that makes so much of this like feasible impossible. Like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm traditionally pretty skeptical about it.
Speaker 1: Like I definitely have people around.
Speaker 7: Me who are like the like you know see who
Speaker 7: have like experienced paranormal things and are just I think
Speaker 7: maybe just tap like tuned into something a little bit different.
Speaker 3: But that's where like that episode you did about the
Speaker 3: Gateway process sort of made sense to me about that
Speaker 3: perhaps there are people that are able to perceive things
Speaker 3: just differently, like just just to put it like not
Speaker 3: too you know, sensational, but like there's a different way
Speaker 3: that some people are perceiving things than maybe the rest
Speaker 3: of us too. And but then like but when I
Speaker 3: hear that like the Pentagon and the CIA is like
Speaker 3: looking into this kind of thing, and like immediately my
Speaker 3: brain's like, well.
Speaker 2: Then it must be legit.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, if they need it to like if they
Speaker 3: needed to be violent with other people on the earth,
Speaker 3: they must think there's something feasible about it. Where I'm
Speaker 3: like that this is kind of interesting, But like I'm
Speaker 3: when you when you see when you read these like
Speaker 3: declassified documents that are talking about like weaponizing astral projection,
Speaker 3: how much of that do you think is like pentagon
Speaker 3: hopium where they're like, damn, it would be dope if
Speaker 3: this shit like was the shit, and like we could
Speaker 3: really get the Soviets now using this kind of technology whatever.
Speaker 2: Okay, we could go.
Speaker 6: Like so deep on this and like I'm not even
Speaker 6: fully qualified to go to the depth of it, but
Speaker 6: like there's many ways you could look at it. Like
Speaker 6: some people think it's like disinfo. Some people think it
Speaker 6: was just like you know, they're trying everything to get
Speaker 6: to the Soviets. But like we have a series coming
Speaker 6: up with the collaborator Josh Cinderella was doing all the
Speaker 6: research on the Gateway process and the Monroe Institute and
Speaker 6: his angle, and like what I think it's probably more
Speaker 6: like I said, there was all these guys in intelligence
Speaker 6: at the time that were into this stuff, and we're
Speaker 6: getting the government to fund their own research on these
Speaker 6: really freaky topics under the guise of national security, Like
Speaker 6: they were like trying to research, Oh.
Speaker 1: My step dad will pay for this if we just
Speaker 1: kind of frame it the right way, or like.
Speaker 6: Guys at the highest level, Yeah, but like in a
Speaker 6: more serious way, like I think, you know, these intelligence
Speaker 6: guys were legitimately interested in this stuff and believed it,
Speaker 6: and we're trying to advance it interesting and they're doing
Speaker 6: into some really freaky stuff too.
Speaker 3: Right, because one of the guys from the Army ended
Speaker 3: up running the Monroe Institute. Like it's sort of like
Speaker 3: evolving door and that's what I'm like, Oh, this is
Speaker 3: very interesting that like so when you see these things,
Speaker 3: that's interesting too, because like I said, I have, like
Speaker 3: I think a lot of us in our cultural consciousness.
Speaker 1: It's like declassified thing and the government doing it. They're like,
Speaker 1: so there must be a little weight to it.
Speaker 3: But that's where always a sort of skeptic in me
Speaker 3: is like, well, this also has to happen.
Speaker 1: If someone really wants this to be true.
Speaker 3: Also because even in that episode, you did, like while
Speaker 3: a lot of like the sort of larger topics about
Speaker 3: frequency and vibration like are scientifically sound to like marry
Speaker 3: all those concepts to then be like.
Speaker 1: Someone can be doing like remote viewing or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Jump, it's hard, And you know what change for me
Speaker 6: because I was more normal before, Like most people, most
Speaker 6: normal people are like really binary. It's like okay, this
Speaker 6: is all things or it's all real one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: It's like there's not much room for an in between.
Speaker 6: Something that hit me that change things for me is
Speaker 6: like like this could be real, but we could be
Speaker 6: bad terrible at it, Like psychic powers could be real,
Speaker 6: but there could just be nobody out there that's very good,
Speaker 6: or like the stuff you are capable of doing is
Speaker 6: not super helpful. Like maybe somebody can't find the location
Speaker 6: of a Russian sub, but they could like figure out
Speaker 6: like some words they're going to be said like a
Speaker 6: week from now, or like predict some like random sort
Speaker 6: of pointless thing that's gonna happen in a really messy,
Speaker 6: clouded way. I don't know this, Like that's not a
Speaker 6: good example, but I think of it as like if
Speaker 6: you went back in time to like the fifteen hundreds
Speaker 6: and had a basketball hoop, like an NBA basketball hoop.
Speaker 2: They don't know what basketball is back then.
Speaker 6: Like when you show them the ball and be like
Speaker 6: and just like some random guy, you're like, all right,
Speaker 6: like dunk the ball. They would all be like that's impossible,
Speaker 6: like this can't be done, Like everybody would try, it
Speaker 6: would not be able to do it, and in all
Speaker 6: likelihood they would think it's actually impossible. It would be
Speaker 6: like and of course, now you know many years later.
Speaker 9: Right or like a sub two hours like a YouTube
Speaker 9: clip of like a really like you know, a modern
Speaker 9: and one basketball player to somebody from the nineteen forties,
Speaker 9: they would be like, well, that person's a fucking wizard.
Speaker 2: Like that doesn't that doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 6: So like with this stuff, I think of it as
Speaker 6: like I don't even know if we could learn to
Speaker 6: be that good by just like just or whatever. But
Speaker 6: maybe we haven't evolved far enough, right, we don't even
Speaker 6: know what we're aiming at. Yeah, so maybe it's not
Speaker 6: like hundreds of years, maybe it's thousands of years, or
Speaker 6: maybe there's like something that's going to come along that
Speaker 6: could unlock this stuff. But right, I think that's like
Speaker 6: what's made me give me a good middle ground perspective
Speaker 6: is like, you know, people always like, oh, if they're psychic, like,
Speaker 6: why didn't they know this was gonna happen? Why don't
Speaker 6: they go to the casino and win? It's like, right, yeah,
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, It's like it's sort of like I
Speaker 6: don't know. In my experience of talking to people who
Speaker 6: supposedly do have this ability, it's like as if they
Speaker 6: like walked into your house blindfolded at night and they
Speaker 6: just like grabbed something and we're like, oh, yeah, do
Speaker 6: you have like a.
Speaker 1: A mouse pad with the Star Wars character.
Speaker 6: On it, yeah, or some shit where it's like kind
Speaker 6: of like why are you talking Yeah, I guess, but
Speaker 6: like why are you talking about that? Like it's not useful,
Speaker 6: like you couldn't gamble on it. It's like so random.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm giving weird examples, but it's not like the
Speaker 3: sort of omniscience that people like to think of it as.
Speaker 6: Yeah, or I've had people that, like a lot of
Speaker 6: times people that I've talked to who have had like premonitions.
Speaker 6: Some of it it's like very's specific, but like random and
Speaker 6: sort of like oh, why would you have a premonition
Speaker 6: of that? Like that's really weird, Like it just doesn't
Speaker 6: have like meaning, you know, right, Yeah, it's interesting though,
Speaker 6: it's super interesting.
Speaker 2: The one, the one the episode I'm not going to
Speaker 2: dig into it now because this episode could be three
Speaker 2: hours long, but the one about the quantum Like the
Speaker 2: guy who has a near death or like basically experiences
Speaker 2: what would be the last moments of his life and
Speaker 2: then wakes up in a parallel timeline.
Speaker 6: That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, so so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that isn't a theory of like quantum reality
Speaker 2: that I've actually kind of believed in like throughout, like
Speaker 2: you know, it seems very plausible, and you know Schroedeger's
Speaker 2: cat and like the quantum machine gun thought experiment and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, Like I don't know, but I hadn't
Speaker 2: heard it from a first person perspective, So that that
Speaker 2: one really yeah, I love one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was called Everything Goes Black.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people should go check out Everything Goes Black. That
Speaker 2: one's really cool. Just a feel like that. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: one's particularly weird. Nice. Let's take a quick break and
Speaker 2: we'll come back, and we're back. And so big topic
Speaker 2: that probably the topic that kind of overlaps between our
Speaker 2: show and your show the most would be UFOs, like
Speaker 2: the you know, we started the show in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: which was right as like the tic TACs started being
Speaker 2: acknowledged by the New York Times and there started to
Speaker 2: be a more mainstream journalistic kind of appetite for like
Speaker 2: publishing on that stuff. So we've been following it on
Speaker 2: and off. I have frequently said on the show that like,
Speaker 2: when I start talking about UFOs, I sometimes wonder, like
Speaker 2: why we would ever talk about anything else, because it's
Speaker 2: just like such a massive question and there seems to
Speaker 2: be so many things to cover, so many different leads
Speaker 2: to chase down. And so that's why we don't talk
Speaker 2: about it partially is because otherwise it would be insufferable
Speaker 2: and never ending.
Speaker 6: But there's so many false alarms and yeah, it weirdly
Speaker 6: like people people like being normal, you know.
Speaker 2: That's I think.
Speaker 6: That's like I've realized about other world is like, you know,
Speaker 6: when this stuff happens to people, it doesn't become their life.
Speaker 6: The first thing they want to do is move on
Speaker 6: and go be normal, and like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 6: and even after like making this my full time job,
Speaker 6: like this isn't the number one thing I care about,
Speaker 6: and I you know, yeah, it's not like and I'm
Speaker 6: not like obsessed with ghosts or demons, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't even really care. I mean, it's not like
Speaker 6: my whole thing, Like what that's not my whole life,
Speaker 6: right right, So that's why I don't have anything to prove.
Speaker 6: Was like, yeah, that's just not what I'm about. I
Speaker 6: just want to hang out.
Speaker 3: With my friends and you know, yeah, you don't want
Speaker 3: to live in a world we're like, dude, I don't know,
Speaker 3: dud don't want to get knocked into a parallel reality.
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I think I'm like just normal, you know,
Speaker 6: but I think most people are like that.
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, I mean it's disruptive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so disruptive to if when those kinds of
Speaker 3: things happen to be like, and now I have to
Speaker 3: acknowledge that there's this whole other dimension of existence that
Speaker 3: I was not aware of and could deeply impact me.
Speaker 1: It's better to be like, I don't know, that guy's
Speaker 1: fucking weird. Let me just have a beer and watch.
Speaker 6: Nothing aliens ever actually came down and landed. It would
Speaker 6: like be a news story for two days and then
Speaker 6: kind of thing in the background. So I mean, you're
Speaker 6: articulating one of your UFO episodes something that I noticed
Speaker 6: happening to me when the whistleblower testimonies started. I found
Speaker 6: myself getting less interested. Like yeah, also because he had
Speaker 6: like he had my girlfriend goes to a different school,
Speaker 6: you wouldn't know her energy to him.
Speaker 2: That's probably it, at least partially.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the See, this is why I don't dabble
Speaker 6: in the UFO community too, because I mean it's very people.
Speaker 6: You know, everybody has different views, and I think there's
Speaker 6: like heated arguments that happen. But yeah, with that, like
Speaker 6: I don't know, it's it's interesting like those guys. The
Speaker 6: UFO world at large is skeptical of like everything. They
Speaker 6: think everything's a sy up, but then when that guy
Speaker 6: came around, they're like, oh, he's legit, like because he
Speaker 6: said he is, you know, right, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: in Congress is talking to him. Congress, that's serious, Like
Speaker 6: these are some have you seen some of the people
Speaker 6: in Congress? Like have you seen who gets elected to Congress?
Speaker 6: Like this doesn't mean anything, you know, And it's like
Speaker 6: if they were to do a si op, that's like
Speaker 6: the first that's like the number one way they would
Speaker 6: do it. Is like have a guy like that come around.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I uh, I guess I was just
Speaker 6: not super invested because it's like he didn't blow the whistle.
Speaker 6: He was doing the thing with like a DK where
Speaker 6: it's like big announcement, bignnouncement. I'm gonna have a big
Speaker 6: announcement next Wednesday, so like tune in for the real announcement.
Speaker 2: Like it was a lot of that big announcement today
Speaker 2: is that there's a big announcement coming on Wednesday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a lot of right. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 6: blow the whistle, bro. He kept saying it's classified. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: all of this is, dude, all of it's classified. Like yeah,
Speaker 6: you're already breaking the rules, just break them all the way.
Speaker 2: I think it went from like they're these like various
Speaker 2: you know, they're the tic TACs and other like you know,
Speaker 2: unidentified aerial phenomena, and here are all the reasons, Like
Speaker 2: that's mysterious and you can't quite explain it to like
Speaker 2: this guy is saying basically the plot of Independence Day
Speaker 2: is real, Like yeah, and that's just inevitably going to
Speaker 2: make me less interested. Like he's picking one option and
Speaker 2: saying that's the one and but that is going to
Speaker 2: inevitably be true of any confirmation of UFO theories, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard.
Speaker 6: I think as soon as the government gets in, like
Speaker 6: it's that really complicates things inherently. Yeah, and the Department
Speaker 6: of Defense, because it's like like these people lie, that's
Speaker 6: their job. Yeah, Like if the if the military is
Speaker 6: telling me something, that's like how you know not to
Speaker 6: believe it? Right, Like even if the thing's true, they're
Speaker 6: telling you a fake version of it, like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: never ever told the truth ever.
Speaker 2: But at the same that's like the main thing the
Speaker 2: military does is lie. I felt a little called out
Speaker 2: when you're your guest on What I Am a Patreon Okay,
Speaker 2: but now but you're you're a New Yorker interview with
Speaker 2: Chris Wiley or your interview with the New Yorker writer
Speaker 2: Chris Wiley. He kind of he compared it to He
Speaker 2: was saying that, like it is by definition, like an
Speaker 2: incredibly information rich like environment, similar to QAnon. I'm wondering
Speaker 2: if like that's what happened to me, is like because
Speaker 2: as we've like covered QAnon on this show, it's like
Speaker 2: the thing that people want is not the truth. They
Speaker 2: want another dozen theories that like aren't connect in vague
Speaker 2: ways to the last theory. And I'm trying to figure
Speaker 2: out if like that when a whistleblower came and said, no,
Speaker 2: this one is the thing, like if I was just like,
Speaker 2: fuck you, it's like too specific.
Speaker 6: It's just yeah, there's like a lot of stuff that
Speaker 6: there's so much out there. And I don't mean to
Speaker 6: discredit David Grush or anything. I was just like I'm
Speaker 6: talking more about like the media spectacle of it all,
Speaker 6: Like I don't it's hard.
Speaker 2: I'm glad.
Speaker 6: I'm just glad, like I cover first person experiences because
Speaker 6: I can handle that. Like it's hard to be following
Speaker 6: the day to day of the UFO world, especially when
Speaker 6: there's so much fake stuff out there. Yeah, right, but
Speaker 6: insisting is real when you're like, this is not real,
Speaker 6: to be honest with you, though, like like gut check wise,
Speaker 6: like a lot of people with the UFOs, they're like,
Speaker 6: I think it's just testing military top secret military stuff.
Speaker 6: Like I'm like, I don't think we have anything that
Speaker 6: advanced that would be confused with what people see with
Speaker 6: the UFO in terms of like real tech if we did.
Speaker 6: The only way I think if we did is if
Speaker 6: it came from somewhere else, like maybe that, which is
Speaker 6: then the same thing as having a UFO. But like
Speaker 6: as things get increasingly privatized with SpaceX and Virgin Galactic
Speaker 6: and stuff, like, you see how difficult it is to
Speaker 6: accomplish these things, right right, I mean, and and like
Speaker 6: even our defense department like they mostly use contractors.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: I just don't. I don't really think they have the
Speaker 6: stuff that would be enough to explain it away as
Speaker 6: something that's purely man made unless it came from somewhere else.
Speaker 2: It would be like such a massive leap to be somethingatical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like you always have like mechanicals, they're like,
Speaker 3: it defies all mechanical science.
Speaker 1: Like if any of this exists, and.
Speaker 3: I think that's what name goes, whoa dude, did you
Speaker 3: that defies all mechanical science? Then yeah, that's like that
Speaker 3: that's where the emotional investment would come in for me.
Speaker 3: But I feel like, yeah, in the same way when
Speaker 3: that that dude went up there and was like yeah, man,
Speaker 3: like they have contractors that go like excavate the crash
Speaker 3: technology and then they send it back. That's and I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is like a fuck, this is truly a movie
Speaker 3: now like that. Yeah, And again it's like one of
Speaker 3: those it's almost like flat Earth thing where like how
Speaker 3: many people are fucking involved and no one like you're
Speaker 3: the first dude to fucking talk about it. That's where
Speaker 3: it gets a little bit wobbly.
Speaker 6: I do think like I'm on board, Like I'm on
Speaker 6: board with like maybe there are things that have crashed
Speaker 6: that we have and are trying.
Speaker 2: To figure out.
Speaker 6: Like I don't know if we've figured it out yet
Speaker 6: though I like that theory.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I like the theory of there being like a bunker
Speaker 6: where there's like a bunch of like weird stone orbs
Speaker 6: that were just like looking at like what is this?
Speaker 2: Like how do you work this? Like every once in
Speaker 2: a while a military pilot, well, like how do we
Speaker 2: get to go out and essentially drunk drive it around
Speaker 2: because they like figure out there just like oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it at all.
Speaker 1: I took him out first.
Speaker 2: I took him out. It was not good. I fucked
Speaker 2: up bad.
Speaker 3: I think I killed like forty cows exactly.
Speaker 6: Or like there's a whole not to go too deep,
Speaker 6: but like there's a whole other thing where it's like
Speaker 6: people who think that it's all telepathic, like the UFO
Speaker 6: is all that. It's just not physically there. It's being
Speaker 6: our brain. Yeah, like it's being sent to us and
Speaker 6: we're seeing.
Speaker 2: It that way. I know.
Speaker 6: And there's some people that think it's us. It's us
Speaker 6: what do you mean, Like it's like us in the
Speaker 6: future like trying to stop us from because it's like
Speaker 6: it could see they get seen around nuclear bases a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 6: there's like a thought of like humans in the future
Speaker 6: with tech advanced enough to like send something even if
Speaker 6: I don't know, like yeah, like watching ourselves to make
Speaker 6: sure we don't blow ourselves up.
Speaker 1: Yeah that Yeah, there's always an infinite loop right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one I feel like is pretty popular in
Speaker 3: that world where it's like it's either there's someone being like, dude,
Speaker 3: stay away from that technology.
Speaker 2: Man, it's bad.
Speaker 1: We just want to make sure you guys, so fuck
Speaker 1: your little marble up that you got here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my theory. We're getting stony right now.
Speaker 2: I like it. Oh yeah. Always. My theory is that
Speaker 2: like that whatever the thing is, it's you know, it
Speaker 2: got it has advanced enough technology to get here if
Speaker 2: if that's what it is, if it's an actual like
Speaker 2: you know, the technology is way more advanced and yet
Speaker 2: they haven't used it. Like the modern paradigm would be, well,
Speaker 2: if you have technology that advance, you just like killer
Speaker 2: enslave the entire population, right Like that's just how like
Speaker 2: realist politics assumes that all things work now and will
Speaker 2: work forever. And we've been seeing these things for decades
Speaker 2: now and they haven't done that, So they're just like
Speaker 2: probably inherently distrustful of the military for for good reason.
Speaker 6: Or just watching us or curious because also like ticket
Speaker 6: ticket in one stepstony Air is like a lot of
Speaker 6: like the religious miracles written about, and like ancient texts
Speaker 6: can be interpreted as sightings, you know a lot of
Speaker 6: right stuff. Yeah, because I mean that's like the same thing.
Speaker 6: Like a lot of skeptics will be like, well, you know,
Speaker 6: people really only started reporting UFOs after like sci fi
Speaker 6: came out, and like like sci fi books started talking
Speaker 6: about UFOs. It's like, well, yeah, sure, but also before that,
Speaker 6: if they saw something big and bright and unexplainable in
Speaker 6: the sky, they wouldn't have had that language. They would
Speaker 6: have probably called it a religious miracle. They would have
Speaker 6: thought it.
Speaker 1: Was an angel.
Speaker 6: Or something like that. They would have called it something
Speaker 6: else and.
Speaker 2: Load the heavens opened up and angels poured forth upon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, or they're you know, whatever it was that they
Speaker 6: thought it would be. You know, these names for things change.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I still like to think that we're just their big,
Speaker 3: messy reality show they like to check in on.
Speaker 6: Maybe just like man, they're fucking up all the time.
Speaker 6: Or it could be multi dimensional beings. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 6: funny hearing myself talk about that, like this is not
Speaker 6: what I used to be like, but like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: No, But I mean that's what I think is interesting
Speaker 3: about the show because it you you, when you hear
Speaker 3: all these first hand accounts you just like the mirror,
Speaker 3: like the the repetition of things, like the fact that
Speaker 3: it is prevalent, it does just make you pause to
Speaker 3: try and understand, like what what is it about it
Speaker 3: that that we're seeing these kinds of things all the time?
Speaker 1: Experience kinds of things?
Speaker 3: And I think that's what is really dope about the
Speaker 3: show because like, you know, it's like like listening to
Speaker 3: thee with like an archaeologist who goes like burial sites
Speaker 3: and like they're spooky ship all the time. Like dude,
Speaker 3: I'm not in the spooky fuck business, but like some
Speaker 3: spooky shit wash, you know. And I think that's where
Speaker 3: when you start to see it from all these different
Speaker 3: angles then and you kind of begin to be like, yeah, this,
Speaker 3: it's there's something here.
Speaker 1: I can't quite put my finger on it.
Speaker 3: And I'm not like being like yeah, man, because all
Speaker 3: of this is real, but there's there's like another layer
Speaker 3: of truth that I feel like that we're chasing or
Speaker 3: trying to understand. I think that powers so much of
Speaker 3: how we see these things.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, is there one episode that made you go
Speaker 2: from normal to one episode that like you just can't
Speaker 2: shake that You're just like.
Speaker 6: Well, seamless plug? Is that like that that episode is
Speaker 6: starting to come out? Like it the one this week
Speaker 6: is starting like a long series that I've been kind
Speaker 6: of working on since Meet Us.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, this one multiple.
Speaker 6: This one came really early into the show when I
Speaker 6: thought it wasn't even going to be really a show. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and it like it was just several steps beyond what
Speaker 6: I was used to hearing and just so bonkers and
Speaker 6: like just continued to get more bonkers as it went,
Speaker 6: and that really like pushed me over the edge. And
Speaker 6: I'm I've been working on it for a year and
Speaker 6: a half, like as long as the shows existed. I
Speaker 6: mean I've taken breaks of working on it, like for
Speaker 6: various reasons. Sometimes it's too much, but like it was
Speaker 6: one where when I heard it, I was having this
Speaker 6: interesting reaction where I was just thinking, like, yeah, this
Speaker 6: can't be real because it just can't like it's just
Speaker 6: too much. There's too much, like I couldn't and most people,
Speaker 6: most people leave it at that, but like I can't
Speaker 6: do that. That's not like I wouldn't be doing my job, Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I can't just dismiss things like I have to have
Speaker 6: a reason why it's not real, Like, okay, it's not
Speaker 6: real because of this, I could still have like not
Speaker 6: been able to find one. And I know for a fact,
Speaker 6: like the people in the story feel the same way.
Speaker 6: And it's just been a it's been a wild ride.
Speaker 6: I'm excited for these to come out because they kind
Speaker 6: of they kind of go all over the place. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so that's one that sort of pushed me over the
Speaker 6: edge a little bit.
Speaker 2: Nice. Well, I can't wait to hear where that one goes.
Speaker 2: And thank you so much, Jack Wagner for coming on
Speaker 2: The Daily Zeitgeist man.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: I think this is the record tied for the record
Speaker 2: for the least news we've ever covered on the show, and.
Speaker 1: There's Crofton has used to be the holder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 6: We talked about it on yesterday's We're covering the real
Speaker 6: news today, that's right. Strap exactly the news.
Speaker 2: They don't want you your eyes sheep, Well this is
Speaker 2: the real news. Yes, where can people find you? Follow you,
Speaker 2: hear you all that good stuff.
Speaker 6: It's the socials are at Other world pod and you
Speaker 6: could listen to it wherever you get your podcast. It's like, uh,
Speaker 6: just look up other Worlds. It's the logos like a
Speaker 6: man jumping through a void. I guess you could say
Speaker 6: there's a jumping out the doorframe, right, he is just
Speaker 6: going through a door, not like a sheet walking through.
Speaker 6: It's like a glass. Yeah, that's I think of it
Speaker 6: and being transplained. Yeah, amazing. Is there a work of
Speaker 6: media that you've been enjoying? You know? Dak's Flame is
Speaker 6: huh huh from you. Oh he was big on YouTube
Speaker 6: and he was like a teenager, but he was in
Speaker 6: the movie twenty one Jump Street and uh his Instagram
Speaker 6: lately and TikTok event extremely funny. Look up Dak's Flame.
Speaker 6: Dak's Flame yeah he uh it's hard to explain. Just
Speaker 6: just start scrolling his videos and watch just like drink
Speaker 6: it in and it's an insane, insane media.
Speaker 2: It's very good.
Speaker 6: Look at really, look up Dak's Flame.
Speaker 2: After this all right, We'll do miles. Where can people
Speaker 2: find you with the working media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I thought Dax Shephard was the only Dax
Speaker 1: out there. There's two Dacs at least there can only
Speaker 1: be one.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: You can find me at Miles of Gray, Twitter, Instagram,
Speaker 3: everywhere else. You can find Jack and I or basketball
Speaker 3: podcastles with Jack got mad Boosties as we scratch our
Speaker 3: heads well, looking at the finals, wondering can the Mavericks
Speaker 3: do something?
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: You can also find me talking about ninety day fiance
Speaker 3: on twenty day Fiance a tweet I like it's it's
Speaker 3: from NBA Twitter, It's from past Matt Boosti's guest, Jasmine L.
Speaker 1: Watkins at Jasmine L.
Speaker 3: Watkins quote tweeted a tweet from Shams about kristaps perzingis
Speaker 3: his like sort of fitness updates of quote Celtics Chris
Speaker 3: Celtics is Kris STAPs Perzingis suffered a torn medial retinaculum,
Speaker 3: allowing dislocation of the posterior tibby allis tendon and Jason said,
Speaker 3: boy I was looking like Floyd mother Floyd Mayweather trying
Speaker 3: to read this.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of medical terms. It's very difficult. I
Speaker 1: can't even believe I got through it. So shout out
Speaker 1: out for a hilarious tweet.
Speaker 2: Amazing. You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brian.
Speaker 2: Uh I, Oh, I watched the Richard Linklater movie hit Man.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, I thought that was fun. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was cool. I liked that they were like Hitman don't exist. Yeah,
Speaker 2: stuck a little fact for are you in there? I
Speaker 2: think they exist in the mafia or existed in the
Speaker 2: mafia for a little bit and with the military, but
Speaker 2: not not the version that we're all familiar with.
Speaker 1: Yeh, being the guy in a diner office guy.
Speaker 2: He just problem for me, if you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: that doesn't exist. It turns out, so if you're in
Speaker 2: a relationship with a hitman and a diner, that's a cop.
Speaker 2: Get out of there. You can find me on Twitter
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Speaker 2: We go off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 2: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 2: think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think
Speaker 2: people might enjoy?
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna go out on a little bit
Speaker 3: of like a new sort of dancy update to a
Speaker 3: Dina Howard's I Need a Freak.
Speaker 1: It's called Freak and it's by Live East.
Speaker 3: And you know from my nineties people out there remember
Speaker 3: that track, but this is kind of like a more softer,
Speaker 3: sort of dancier version, but so you still getting those lyrics.
Speaker 1: I need a freaking them freaking a evening, So check
Speaker 1: this one out, freaking by Live East.
Speaker 2: All right, we will link after that and the footnotes today,
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Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for us this morning, back this
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