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Speaker 1: So did the theirgun hard reset.

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Speaker 2: Basically, he did the fair gun hard reset exactly. Wow,

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Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three forty two,

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Speaker 2: Episode three of Dan's Ice production of iHeartRadio. This is

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Speaker 2: a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's

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Speaker 2: shared consciousness. And it is Wednesday, June twelfth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: It is okay after all?

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Speaker 1: Oh that it is June twelfth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I say you're gonna twenty the days, dude, it's

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Speaker 3: six twelve twenty four. Oh six, yeah, double six, double six,

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Speaker 2: We're really into numerology these days.

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Speaker 1: Fucking knew it, dude, I knew it.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it's also get that finger ready, get it,

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Speaker 2: get that.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting it ready for today.

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Speaker 3: But dude, it's National Peanut butter Cookie Day, National Jerky Day.

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Speaker 3: Interracial marriages because also National Loving Day of the day

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Speaker 3: we celebrate the Supreme Court decision of Loving versus Virginia.

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Speaker 3: When I first thought it was Loving Day, I was

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Speaker 1: But anyway, shout out peanut.

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Speaker 2: But it is like it is the Supreme Court decision.

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Speaker 1: That's not just a no, it is it is.

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Speaker 3: It is Hell is the anniversary of the nineteen sixty

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Speaker 3: seven Supreme Court decision that said, hey, man, just if

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Speaker 3: You know, these anti anti iagination laws are fucked up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, Well, my name is Jack O'Brien AKA.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying I washed my piggies. Sorry, y'all lied,

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Speaker 4: I washed piggies one, two, three, four and five. That

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Speaker 2: KRS one AKA. I do wish there was like more

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Speaker 2: brag wraps about just how good you are at washing

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Speaker 2: your feet, how thorough, how thorough you are. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: Wash the feet man, and it was dead skin accumulations

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Speaker 2: The ships or put them in that little pool with

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Speaker 2: It's just fish and then when I'm done, I just

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Speaker 2: be joined as always by my co host mister Miles.

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Speaker 1: Grandma freak.

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Speaker 5: There was this Mile was Gray couldn't understand what Food

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Yo Yo Snap on the discord in

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Speaker 3: my ongoing obsession with the Food and Wine article that said,

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Speaker 6: You know, do you know what do you guys do

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Speaker 6: We have great listeners, who are they submitting this crowd

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Speaker 6: Thank god, thank you.

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Speaker 3: the most hard to understand article. It's about Eminem's pumpkin

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Speaker 3: just I'm excited to talk to this guy. I know,

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Speaker 3: What is the point of this paragraph here, Jack, The

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Speaker 3: about six point eight weeks beforehand. Well, well six point

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Speaker 6: gonna have to name you. Melissa Kravitz Hoffner.

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Speaker 6: Person's not even real. I guarantee they're not even real.

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Speaker 3: Oh you have an I I've been I've been instagram

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Speaker 6: This, Marissa Kravitz Hoffner. Yeah, oh that's an insane.

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Speaker 2: It's it's so convoluted because like the AI shit will

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Speaker 2: There, Yes, all right, well we are thrilled to be

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Speaker 2: joined in our third seat by that voice you're hearing

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Speaker 2: the director, journalist, host behind the really great podcast, my

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Speaker 2: Please welcome Jack Wag. Thank you guys, thanks, thanks for

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Speaker 2: coming on. I don't have a song to sing along

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you for having me, Thanks for coming.

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Speaker 6: So the story, I mean, it's a show I interview

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Speaker 2: Am I like more seriously than the kids you know

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Speaker 2: Okay, and they all like look down on Lisa Frank

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Speaker 6: I have, Lisa's a artist, Lisa's a goat and omar

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Speaker 2: For more than forty years, artist William Wegman has been

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Speaker 2: Is it because they appear to have human bodies their

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Speaker 6: Like the next version of this is is like there

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Speaker 6: Or like a hair wearing a suit and he had

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Speaker 2: But what if the animals were doing like people stuff?

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Speaker 6: Well that's a classic. That is a classic you, I

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Speaker 6: I hope those other world listeners tuning in being like

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Speaker 2: What is something you think is underrated?

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Speaker 6: This was hard Probably a lot of things, but I

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Speaker 6: think the show Friday Night Lights is very underrated. Have

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Speaker 6: you ever seen this? I I've seen incredible the first

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Speaker 6: half of the first season. Oh, you got to keep going,

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Speaker 6: you got to keep going?

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Speaker 2: What about you? Miles?

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Speaker 3: I remember watching this is I remember the early days

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Speaker 6: It's one of the top ten all time shows in

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Speaker 6: Everybody's fine, nobody's in therapy. But yeah, that's a it's

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Speaker 6: Get What I've realized is some people like it, Like

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Speaker 6: there be okay, would you do a version where you

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Speaker 6: took a ticket but it's still a process of waiting,

438
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Speaker 6: but you're not in a queue. If they like texted

439
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Speaker 6: me and I could go freely. Yeah, but at that

440
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Speaker 6: point it's like almost like a to go order.

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Speaker 1: Yeah sure sure, sure, sure, sure yeah.

442
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Speaker 2: Now you're just gonna stand over here in this holding pen,

443
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Speaker 2: well you wait for your number to come up. I remember,

444
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Speaker 2: I just kind of middle about.

445
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Speaker 3: And scraps come out of this corrugated tin tube. If

446
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Speaker 3: you open up your mouth, you can get get a

447
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Speaker 3: few bites.

448
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Speaker 6: Or have you ever This is not the same thing,

449
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Speaker 6: But have you ever been to a place that like

450
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Speaker 6: has just a cartoonish weight time when you ask for

451
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Speaker 6: like a table, like because I'm talking about places where

452
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Speaker 6: you go to a counter and like order food. But

453
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Speaker 6: there are some restaurants where I've gone in and I'll

454
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Speaker 6: be like, hey, how long is it? Wait for two

455
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Speaker 6: And they'll be like three hours. And I told that

456
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 6: and I'm like, okay, So like you don't have like

457
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 6: it's just saying no, You just say no. Just get

458
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 6: like you're like, that's just gonna bring us to a

459
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Speaker 6: different meal, Like that's not nobody's agree to that. Just

460
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Speaker 6: say no, like, just say that there's not any tables

461
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Speaker 6: because I'm obviously not going to wait three hours.

462
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Speaker 3: There have been times I've been like all right, cool,

463
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Speaker 3: They're like, you want to put your name down. I'm like,

464
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Speaker 3: you know, I've done that too, yeah yeah, and it

465
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Speaker 3: worked and it's like forty five minutes and you're like yeah, ah, okay,

466
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Speaker 3: So I think you really you're just trying to put

467
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Speaker 3: people off by saying like, loo, bro, it's fucking long.

468
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Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, they just I'm just revealing that people

469
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Speaker 6: don't like me, like I don't, they don't like no,

470
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Speaker 6: But yeah, I think that's like obviously they're trying to

471
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Speaker 6: scare you off. But either way, like I guess that

472
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Speaker 6: makes the food is overrated, Like there's no way it's

473
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Speaker 6: gonna be good enough.

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Speaker 2: It's my point. When you were young younger, did you

475
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Speaker 2: get hot lunch at school?

476
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Speaker 6: Barely almost lunches and they weren't great?

477
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Speaker 2: Bagging you lunches? Okay? Got it? Orre you asking?

478
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Speaker 1: Because that's a lot right there.

479
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Speaker 6: That's a line that I just wondered if, like how

480
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Speaker 6: deep it went, you know, where your line's long for

481
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Speaker 6: hot lunch?

482
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Speaker 2: Like were you? I think sometimes it was yeah, sometimes.

483
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Speaker 1: At most I mean it moved, you know, yeah it moved.

484
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Speaker 6: But I was also a sack lunch kid, but you're

485
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Speaker 6: in an institution, like you have no choice there. Yeah,

486
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 6: it's just one to another. And yeah, you're lining up

487
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Speaker 6: all the time in school. Yeah, you go.

488
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Speaker 3: To Disneyland and you're like, I don't know about anything.

489
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Speaker 3: Oh that's I mean, that's a whole other things. I'll

490
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Speaker 3: probably I mean, has anybody said Disneyland on the show

491
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: like that's overrated?

492
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, but that's like crazy overrated, Like

494
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Speaker 6: obviously people spend their whole life doing that. It's insane.

495
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Speaker 2: Yeah, going to the same part.

496
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Speaker 6: I can't even I finally went. I went as a kid.

497
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Speaker 6: I went one time is when in my twenties with

498
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Speaker 6: my friends what we barely Didney thing, and then I

499
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Speaker 6: recently went again where I'm like, you know what, I'm

500
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 6: gonna go, like give it a shot. Everybody loves it.

501
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 6: I had a fine time. I had a good time,

502
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 6: but like I was ready to leave and the thought

503
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 6: of going back again the next day would be crazy

504
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Speaker 6: to me. You know, sorry if either of you guys

505
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 6: are Disney files, but I was like, no, we're not.

506
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 6: I did it, like I did all the stuff, Like

507
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Speaker 6: what was I going to I'm a thirty five year

508
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Speaker 6: old man, Like, what am I gonna do is go

509
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Speaker 6: on It's a Small World again.

510
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. You really can't get the nuances of

511
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 2: It's a Small World and the song in particular the

512
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Speaker 2: first time around. You really need to. It's kind of

513
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Speaker 2: like kind of bloom in your Yeah.

514
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 6: People go, People go for like seven days at a

515
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Speaker 6: time to like the different works.

516
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Speaker 2: The thing that put me off is that there's a

517
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Speaker 2: ride that is like just agreed to be very good

518
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 2: by Disney Files, the Peter Pan Ride, And I waited

519
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: it was a line based revelation. I waited in like

520
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: an hour long line to go in it with my

521
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: small child, and then got on and it was like

522
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: less than two minutes. And you're just like going around

523
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: like looking looking at fucking models of London toys and oh,

524
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 2: I remember that ride. That's pretty good.

525
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 6: No, I mean I mean like pretty good for a kid,

526
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 6: for a kid for baby, pretty good with fifteen minutes wait,

527
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Speaker 6: They're like, this is a must, you gotta go. I'm

528
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 6: not a total I'm not an unfair hater. I will say,

529
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 6: like the Star Wars ride, the new Star Wars ride

530
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 6: is really good. That's kind of worth the wait. I

531
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 6: waited and I was like, yeah, I'm very impressed. This

532
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 6: is great. I heard the Avatar ride in Disney World

533
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 6: is like causing dads to change their lives.

534
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: I went on it a couple of times.

535
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Speaker 6: Is it amazing? I think that's the closest thing that

536
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 6: some of these guys are getting to. A psychedelic experience.

537
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: Who right, is it? It's not, it's not that great.

538
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's like a dark ride where you're

539
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: on like a basically a bike that moves you around

540
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: and then it has like a giant screen in front

541
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: of you and then three D glasses on and so

542
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: it feel it makes you feel like you're flying. But

543
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: got it. Yeah, it's cool. But it was just like, yeah,

544
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: you guys.

545
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 6: Wanted to suicide after Avatar came out. Do you remember that?

546
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? They were. They were like they like, don't make

547
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: me go back.

548
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 6: But by the way, it's an appropriate response.

549
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: James Cameron, don't make me go back.

550
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 6: They're like, yeah, it was having it was causing all

551
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 6: these suburban dads to have like existential crisis prices.

552
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh.

553
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: We got something.

554
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 6: We got a producer in the chat saying you got

555
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 6: to bring in goodies for Disneyland to actually have fun.

556
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 6: Oh I've had I've been there on goodies that.

557
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: Was it made.

558
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 8: And I've been there on some badies too. Yeah, I

559
00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 8: mean that made it hellish. I had some psychedelics speriences

560
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 8: there and it was not good. I was freaking out.

561
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 8: I saw, I saw, I was on mushrooms.

562
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 6: And I encountered one of the parking lots that they

563
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 6: have for like all the baby strollers, so there'll be

564
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 6: like hundreds apart parked Bailey's baby yeah, like and we're

565
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 6: already in this like weird concrete human landscape and I

566
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, oh my god, Like it just hit me.

567
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 6: I'm like, there are so much of us, like we're

568
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 6: a virus taking over this world.

569
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: And it also from the like Holocaust me just all

570
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: these like strollers like with yeah or like every front

571
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: the rapture like yeah.

572
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 6: So that hit me hard. And then they have that

573
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 6: thing where it's like a tree. It used to be

574
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 6: the Swiss family Robinson tree, and now it's this Tarzan

575
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 6: tree and it's like a fake tree. It's a huge

576
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 6: fake tree that like kids play on and stuff. And

577
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 6: I had a meltdown about that because I was like

578
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 6: trees are real, like like you a fake one? Like

579
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 6: like why is this tree?

580
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

581
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 6: Why is there a fake tree here being presented as

582
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 6: like a fantasy scenario alongside Aladdin and shit, yeah like

583
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 6: you guys, I was like they. I was like they

584
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 6: cut down trees to build this tree. That's fake and

585
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 6: like all of these people could have taken their kids

586
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 6: on a vacation to Yosemite, like two hours away where

587
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 6: they could climb a real tree. I like, I mean,

588
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 6: of course, like I'm on mushrooms thinking this yeah yeah.

589
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah, and you're just blocking like one of

590
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: the stairs.

591
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, like go back, man, go back the securities

592
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 6: cuffing me up the closest I can't.

593
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: I've come to like accessing like what a bad trip

594
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: would be without taking like any psychedelics. Was like going

595
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: on it's a small world and being like, god, this

596
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: would be a fucking true nightmare if I was yeah anything,

597
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: because it is just like going from one weird little

598
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: room inside a building to another, like I don't know,

599
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: like I'm I become like very aware of like how

600
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: big the room is and like where the back wall

601
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: is and yeah, there's like carpet over there, like I just.

602
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: Become Oh, you're like breaking down the environment as you like, Yeah,

603
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: if I'm in the wrong frame of mind, which I was. Yeah,

604
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: which the trip was not bad, Disney was bad, right, Like, yeah,

605
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: I admired too many thoughts. I was wise, I was

606
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: receiving wisdom. Yes, the trip was bad, like what I

607
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: was witnessing was bad.

608
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody around you was fucked.

609
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, like I think that is like

610
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 6: there's a lot of truth to all of those thoughts

611
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 6: where it's like it's a weird I mean, Disney itself

612
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 6: is like a a replication of generally real things in

613
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 6: the world, like like Bryce Canyon. I didn't realize I

614
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 6: went to Bryce Canyon a few years ago. I don't

615
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 6: know if you guys know where that it's a national

616
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 6: park in Utah, but like I think one of the rides,

617
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 6: like the whatever the train roller coaster is, I think

618
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 6: it's in California Adventure, Like the landscape of that ride

619
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 6: is based on Bryce Canyon. And I didn't realize that

620
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 6: until I went to this place and it it looks

621
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 6: like alien landscape.

622
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: Highly recommend anybody Thunder Mountain.

623
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, it absolutely blew my mind to see this place.

624
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 6: I highly recommend visiting Bryce Canyon.

625
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now that.

626
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it, like like that's disney Land, I'm like,

627
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: yeah a photo Bryce.

628
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: No, exactly.

629
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 6: So with Disney, you know, all of the stuff in

630
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 6: there is inspired by a real place, including the castle

631
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 6: that's like a real castle go to in Germany. I

632
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 6: think in Less's Austria. But yeah, when I see people

633
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 6: that just go there over and over again, it's like, Yo,

634
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 6: you can go to the real version of this stuff,

635
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 6: like it's out there.

636
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 2: You can.

637
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, they don't have a dull whip like castles are

638
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 6: Castles are real? Like that's not made up, Like there

639
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 6: are castles like I am chowdering a bread bull. Yeah,

640
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 6: you could get that there too. I'm sure Germany, Bro,

641
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 6: you get Germany, I don't know about climate. You get

642
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 6: some kind of rock worst Yeah.

643
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take that.

644
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 6: Anyway. We lost all your Disney listeners. I'm sorry, that's

645
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 6: all right. There is iHeart in any way connected to Disney.

646
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 6: Am I gonna get like.

647
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: I heart wishes? Okay, we wish.

648
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get like assassinated.

649
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: No, there's like.

650
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 6: A somebody is screwing a silencer onto their.

651
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: Disney might be like you might be a Disney plant.

652
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: Like That's what one of the things I learned from

653
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: your podcast is like the the government are the ones

654
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: who are like putting out some of the UFO ship,

655
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: Like they're like trying to make I don't know, there's

656
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: like that complex mind fuck that's happened in the in

657
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: the world of UFOs. Let's take a quick break. Well,

658
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: we'll come back and we'll get into your show. And

659
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: we're back. And I mean, Miles you had you had

660
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: the question on all our minds m h off top

661
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: a ghost real dog.

662
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: Like and if they are, how come I don't see them?

663
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: So I probably I have a theory on that. What

664
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: is it? So there's this book, this neuroscientist David Eagleman

665
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: who has this book Incognito about like the way the

666
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: mind works and what there's like one of the things

667
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: he says is there's like more wiring going from our

668
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: brain to our eyes than from our eyes, Like the

669
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 2: signals travel more from our brain to our eyes than

670
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: from our eyes to our brain. And the way the

671
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: point he was making is that like a lot of

672
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: what we see is made up by our minds, like

673
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: memory of what we know is there, and so it's

674
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: like filling in your visuals with like things from your memory.

675
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: And but I've that idea that like some of what

676
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: you see is actually filled in by your brain also

677
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: seems like it makes a lot of sense to me

678
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: of like things of people seeing, Like you know, our

679
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: brain is this amazing machine that like creates amazing cinematic

680
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: experiences for us when we sleep at night. Like, so yeah,

681
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: I'm I it doesn't. I don't doubt that it could

682
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: like do something similar to us during our waking lives.

683
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 2: But I also think that there's what like a counter,

684
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: like the other side of that coin is if our

685
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: so much of what is happening around us is just

686
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: being filled in by what our brain expects to be there,

687
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: then it's like papering over so much shit. And like

688
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: one of the things you say on your show is

689
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: that a lot of these experiences tend to happen to

690
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: people who are like out of their comfort zone. So

691
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: I think the anecdote that Egelman was talking about when

692
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: he was talking about this is like why people die

693
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: in car accidents so close to their home is because

694
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: that's a place where you're like way more likely or

695
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: just like filling your surroundings because you've been there a

696
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: thousand times, so your brain is just like, yeah, yeah,

697
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: we know the streets out there, and it doesn't see

698
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: like the truck speeding down the street or whatever. But

699
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: it's like sort of the doors of perception thing. You're

700
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: you're like narrowing what you're letting in down to a

701
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: very small trickle and filling everything else and with your expectations.

702
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: And so that idea really jumped out to me that

703
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: you would be encountering things more when you're outside of

704
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: your comfort zone because that's when your brain is actually

705
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: more alive to what's happening around you, right, so you

706
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: are actually taking in things that your brain would normally

707
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: be papering over with like whatever your expectations of the

708
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: normal world is. And so I think, you know, just

709
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: that idea of that our brain and our you know,

710
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: what we perceive around us is in this like constant

711
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: kind of communication and interchange like kind of helps me

712
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: make sense of it and also makes me make sense

713
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: of maybe we're missing a lot of the crazy shit

714
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: that's happening around us.

715
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 6: Okay, you said a lot of stuff. Was it?

716
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: I got it?

717
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 6: Man, I just listened, so well, let me see. Okay, So,

718
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 6: first of all, maybe I did say that in an episode.

719
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 6: I don't remember saying the comfort zone thing. I do

720
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 6: notice a pattern of people experiencing things when there's like

721
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 6: they're going through something intense already really to their life, right,

722
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 6: But with I think the example with like the vision

723
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 6: is good, but I look at it kind of like

724
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 6: the opposite way. You know, like your brain is from

725
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 6: my understand I'm not a neuroscientist, but like it is

726
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 6: filling in the gaps a lot. But also like like

727
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 6: what you're seeing is you're entirely a creation of your brain.

728
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 6: You know, like our eyes do not see in three D.

729
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 6: Your brain is doing that. Like your brain is what

730
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 6: makes it three dimensionals. You're like, we do not see

731
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 6: three dimensional objects. It's like our brain is rendering that

732
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 6: essentially using the data from our eyes. And same with

733
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 6: your ears. You know, your ears helped with depth perception

734
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 6: of hearing. Like all of this is just like input

735
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 6: to your brain that's then like processing it. Right, So

736
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 6: you could look at it, I think like the skeptical

737
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 6: way to look at it would be like, oh, yeah,

738
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 6: your brain is just kind of making up the ghosts

739
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 6: or whatever or making up whatever, and maybe it's just

740
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 6: glitching out. The other way you could look at it

741
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 6: is that like you really we're our eyes and ears

742
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 6: are only able to pick up like a tiny amount

743
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: of what's out there. Yeah, you're not, like what we're

744
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 6: seeing is not actually what's there. Like, there's so much

745
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 6: more happening right now. We're seeing visible light tiny tiny

746
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 6: part of the spectrum, and same with the sound. And

747
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 6: aside from that, there's other things out there. There's like

748
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 6: like there's more, perhaps stuff we haven't even like discovered.

749
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 6: So like the freakier way you could look at it

750
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 6: is that maybe momentarily our brain is like picking up

751
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 6: something else and it's not something that our brain's ever

752
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 6: tried to process before. Yeah, so our brain's doing its

753
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 6: best to process that, you know, Like it's kind of

754
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 6: like imagine I think of it as like if you

755
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 6: got like a Wi Fi card and a really old

756
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 6: computerdo like sure, you know, like you could theoretically hook

757
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 6: it up to the internet, but like try to do

758
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 6: anything on that old machine, it's going to like not work,

759
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 6: you know, Like it's not gonna be able to run

760
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 6: the Internet essentially on a really really old computer that's

761
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 6: so much data it's not built to do that. You know,

762
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 6: you could do it, you could turn on Wi Fi,

763
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 6: but like it would not be able to go to

764
00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 6: a website.

765
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: We are like so incapable of perceiving things that are

766
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: above our you know, capacity for you know, perception, like

767
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: just by definition. So like, yeah, that's something you come

768
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: it you run into all the time. If you're dealing

769
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: with like a child or something like that. You know,

770
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: it's it's obviously very evident to you. So somebody who

771
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: has like a little bit more understanding.

772
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 6: It gets really really deep and really meta, Like you

773
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 6: could really go crazy with it, especially just given the

774
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 6: fact that we still don't really know what consciousness is, yeah,

775
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 6: or like why it exists or how it exists, and

776
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 6: like whether it's contained to an individual's body or if

777
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 6: it could go elsewhere or if it comes from something else.

778
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know, that's like it's just sort of

779
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: that unknown that makes so much of this like feasible impossible. Like, well,

780
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: I'm traditionally pretty skeptical about it.

781
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: Like I definitely have people around.

782
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 7: Me who are like the like you know see who

783
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 7: have like experienced paranormal things and are just I think

784
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 7: maybe just tap like tuned into something a little bit different.

785
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 3: But that's where like that episode you did about the

786
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: Gateway process sort of made sense to me about that

787
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: perhaps there are people that are able to perceive things

788
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: just differently, like just just to put it like not

789
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: too you know, sensational, but like there's a different way

790
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: that some people are perceiving things than maybe the rest

791
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: of us too. And but then like but when I

792
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: hear that like the Pentagon and the CIA is like

793
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: looking into this kind of thing, and like immediately my

794
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 3: brain's like, well.

795
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: Then it must be legit.

796
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: Like yeah, if they need it to like if they

797
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: needed to be violent with other people on the earth,

798
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: they must think there's something feasible about it. Where I'm

799
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: like that this is kind of interesting, But like I'm

800
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: when you when you see when you read these like

801
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 3: declassified documents that are talking about like weaponizing astral projection,

802
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: how much of that do you think is like pentagon

803
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: hopium where they're like, damn, it would be dope if

804
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: this shit like was the shit, and like we could

805
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: really get the Soviets now using this kind of technology whatever.

806
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we could go.

807
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 6: Like so deep on this and like I'm not even

808
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 6: fully qualified to go to the depth of it, but

809
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 6: like there's many ways you could look at it. Like

810
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 6: some people think it's like disinfo. Some people think it

811
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 6: was just like you know, they're trying everything to get

812
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 6: to the Soviets. But like we have a series coming

813
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 6: up with the collaborator Josh Cinderella was doing all the

814
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 6: research on the Gateway process and the Monroe Institute and

815
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 6: his angle, and like what I think it's probably more

816
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 6: like I said, there was all these guys in intelligence

817
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 6: at the time that were into this stuff, and we're

818
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 6: getting the government to fund their own research on these

819
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 6: really freaky topics under the guise of national security, Like

820
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 6: they were like trying to research, Oh.

821
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: My step dad will pay for this if we just

822
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: kind of frame it the right way, or like.

823
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 6: Guys at the highest level, Yeah, but like in a

824
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 6: more serious way, like I think, you know, these intelligence

825
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 6: guys were legitimately interested in this stuff and believed it,

826
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 6: and we're trying to advance it interesting and they're doing

827
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 6: into some really freaky stuff too.

828
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: Right, because one of the guys from the Army ended

829
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: up running the Monroe Institute. Like it's sort of like

830
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: evolving door and that's what I'm like, Oh, this is

831
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: very interesting that like so when you see these things,

832
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: that's interesting too, because like I said, I have, like

833
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 3: I think a lot of us in our cultural consciousness.

834
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: It's like declassified thing and the government doing it. They're like,

835
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: so there must be a little weight to it.

836
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: But that's where always a sort of skeptic in me

837
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 3: is like, well, this also has to happen.

838
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: If someone really wants this to be true.

839
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: Also because even in that episode, you did, like while

840
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: a lot of like the sort of larger topics about

841
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: frequency and vibration like are scientifically sound to like marry

842
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 3: all those concepts to then be like.

843
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: Someone can be doing like remote viewing or something like that.

844
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

845
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 6: Jump, it's hard, And you know what change for me

846
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 6: because I was more normal before, Like most people, most

847
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 6: normal people are like really binary. It's like okay, this

848
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 6: is all things or it's all real one hundred percent.

849
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 6: It's like there's not much room for an in between.

850
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 6: Something that hit me that change things for me is

851
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 6: like like this could be real, but we could be

852
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 6: bad terrible at it, Like psychic powers could be real,

853
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 6: but there could just be nobody out there that's very good,

854
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 6: or like the stuff you are capable of doing is

855
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 6: not super helpful. Like maybe somebody can't find the location

856
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 6: of a Russian sub, but they could like figure out

857
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 6: like some words they're going to be said like a

858
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 6: week from now, or like predict some like random sort

859
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 6: of pointless thing that's gonna happen in a really messy,

860
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 6: clouded way. I don't know this, Like that's not a

861
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 6: good example, but I think of it as like if

862
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 6: you went back in time to like the fifteen hundreds

863
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 6: and had a basketball hoop, like an NBA basketball hoop.

864
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: They don't know what basketball is back then.

865
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 6: Like when you show them the ball and be like

866
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 6: and just like some random guy, you're like, all right,

867
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 6: like dunk the ball. They would all be like that's impossible,

868
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 6: like this can't be done, Like everybody would try, it

869
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 6: would not be able to do it, and in all

870
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 6: likelihood they would think it's actually impossible. It would be

871
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 6: like and of course, now you know many years later.

872
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 9: Right or like a sub two hours like a YouTube

873
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 9: clip of like a really like you know, a modern

874
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 9: and one basketball player to somebody from the nineteen forties,

875
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 9: they would be like, well, that person's a fucking wizard.

876
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: Like that doesn't that doesn't make sense at all.

877
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 6: So like with this stuff, I think of it as

878
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 6: like I don't even know if we could learn to

879
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 6: be that good by just like just or whatever. But

880
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 6: maybe we haven't evolved far enough, right, we don't even

881
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 6: know what we're aiming at. Yeah, so maybe it's not

882
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 6: like hundreds of years, maybe it's thousands of years, or

883
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 6: maybe there's like something that's going to come along that

884
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 6: could unlock this stuff. But right, I think that's like

885
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 6: what's made me give me a good middle ground perspective

886
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 6: is like, you know, people always like, oh, if they're psychic, like,

887
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 6: why didn't they know this was gonna happen? Why don't

888
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 6: they go to the casino and win? It's like, right, yeah,

889
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, It's like it's sort of like I

890
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 6: don't know. In my experience of talking to people who

891
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 6: supposedly do have this ability, it's like as if they

892
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 6: like walked into your house blindfolded at night and they

893
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 6: just like grabbed something and we're like, oh, yeah, do

894
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 6: you have like a.

895
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: A mouse pad with the Star Wars character.

896
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 6: On it, yeah, or some shit where it's like kind

897
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 6: of like why are you talking Yeah, I guess, but

898
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 6: like why are you talking about that? Like it's not useful,

899
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 6: like you couldn't gamble on it. It's like so random.

900
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

901
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm giving weird examples, but it's not like the

902
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: sort of omniscience that people like to think of it as.

903
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, or I've had people that, like a lot of

904
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 6: times people that I've talked to who have had like premonitions.

905
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 6: Some of it it's like very's specific, but like random and

906
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 6: sort of like oh, why would you have a premonition

907
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 6: of that? Like that's really weird, Like it just doesn't

908
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 6: have like meaning, you know, right, Yeah, it's interesting though,

909
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 6: it's super interesting.

910
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: The one, the one the episode I'm not going to

911
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: dig into it now because this episode could be three

912
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: hours long, but the one about the quantum Like the

913
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: guy who has a near death or like basically experiences

914
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: what would be the last moments of his life and

915
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: then wakes up in a parallel timeline.

916
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 6: That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, so so bad.

917
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that isn't a theory of like quantum reality

918
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: that I've actually kind of believed in like throughout, like

919
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, it seems very plausible, and you know Schroedeger's

920
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: cat and like the quantum machine gun thought experiment and

921
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 2: all that stuff, Like I don't know, but I hadn't

922
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: heard it from a first person perspective, So that that

923
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: one really yeah, I love one.

924
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was called Everything Goes Black.

925
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, people should go check out Everything Goes Black. That

926
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: one's really cool. Just a feel like that. Yeah, that

927
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: one's particularly weird. Nice. Let's take a quick break and

928
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: we'll come back, and we're back. And so big topic

929
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: that probably the topic that kind of overlaps between our

930
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: show and your show the most would be UFOs, like

931
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: the you know, we started the show in twenty seventeen,

932
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: which was right as like the tic TACs started being

933
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: acknowledged by the New York Times and there started to

934
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: be a more mainstream journalistic kind of appetite for like

935
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: publishing on that stuff. So we've been following it on

936
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: and off. I have frequently said on the show that like,

937
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: when I start talking about UFOs, I sometimes wonder, like

938
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: why we would ever talk about anything else, because it's

939
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: just like such a massive question and there seems to

940
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 2: be so many things to cover, so many different leads

941
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: to chase down. And so that's why we don't talk

942
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: about it partially is because otherwise it would be insufferable

943
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: and never ending.

944
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 6: But there's so many false alarms and yeah, it weirdly

945
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 6: like people people like being normal, you know.

946
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: That's I think.

947
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 6: That's like I've realized about other world is like, you know,

948
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 6: when this stuff happens to people, it doesn't become their life.

949
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 6: The first thing they want to do is move on

950
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 6: and go be normal, and like, yeah, I don't know,

951
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 6: and even after like making this my full time job,

952
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 6: like this isn't the number one thing I care about,

953
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 6: and I you know, yeah, it's not like and I'm

954
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 6: not like obsessed with ghosts or demons, like yeah, yeah, yeah,

955
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 6: I don't even really care. I mean, it's not like

956
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 6: my whole thing, Like what that's not my whole life,

957
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 6: right right, So that's why I don't have anything to prove.

958
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 6: Was like, yeah, that's just not what I'm about. I

959
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 6: just want to hang out.

960
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: With my friends and you know, yeah, you don't want

961
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: to live in a world we're like, dude, I don't know,

962
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: dud don't want to get knocked into a parallel reality.

963
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I think I'm like just normal, you know,

964
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 6: but I think most people are like that.

965
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, I mean it's disruptive.

966
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so disruptive to if when those kinds of

967
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: things happen to be like, and now I have to

968
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: acknowledge that there's this whole other dimension of existence that

969
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: I was not aware of and could deeply impact me.

970
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: It's better to be like, I don't know, that guy's

971
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: fucking weird. Let me just have a beer and watch.

972
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 6: Nothing aliens ever actually came down and landed. It would

973
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 6: like be a news story for two days and then

974
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 6: kind of thing in the background. So I mean, you're

975
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 6: articulating one of your UFO episodes something that I noticed

976
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 6: happening to me when the whistleblower testimonies started. I found

977
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 6: myself getting less interested. Like yeah, also because he had

978
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 6: like he had my girlfriend goes to a different school,

979
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 6: you wouldn't know her energy to him.

980
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: That's probably it, at least partially.

981
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the See, this is why I don't dabble

982
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 6: in the UFO community too, because I mean it's very people.

983
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 6: You know, everybody has different views, and I think there's

984
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 6: like heated arguments that happen. But yeah, with that, like

985
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 6: I don't know, it's it's interesting like those guys. The

986
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 6: UFO world at large is skeptical of like everything. They

987
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 6: think everything's a sy up, but then when that guy

988
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 6: came around, they're like, oh, he's legit, like because he

989
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 6: said he is, you know, right, and it's like, oh,

990
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 6: in Congress is talking to him. Congress, that's serious, Like

991
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 6: these are some have you seen some of the people

992
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 6: in Congress? Like have you seen who gets elected to Congress?

993
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 6: Like this doesn't mean anything, you know, And it's like

994
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 6: if they were to do a si op, that's like

995
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 6: the first that's like the number one way they would

996
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 6: do it. Is like have a guy like that come around.

997
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 6: I don't know. I uh, I guess I was just

998
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 6: not super invested because it's like he didn't blow the whistle.

999
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 6: He was doing the thing with like a DK where

1000
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 6: it's like big announcement, bignnouncement. I'm gonna have a big

1001
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 6: announcement next Wednesday, so like tune in for the real announcement.

1002
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: Like it was a lot of that big announcement today

1003
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: is that there's a big announcement coming on Wednesday.

1004
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a lot of right. Yeah, I was like,

1005
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 6: blow the whistle, bro. He kept saying it's classified. He's like, yeah,

1006
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 6: all of this is, dude, all of it's classified. Like yeah,

1007
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 6: you're already breaking the rules, just break them all the way.

1008
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 2: I think it went from like they're these like various

1009
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: you know, they're the tic TACs and other like you know,

1010
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: unidentified aerial phenomena, and here are all the reasons, Like

1011
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: that's mysterious and you can't quite explain it to like

1012
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: this guy is saying basically the plot of Independence Day

1013
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: is real, Like yeah, and that's just inevitably going to

1014
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: make me less interested. Like he's picking one option and

1015
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: saying that's the one and but that is going to

1016
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 2: inevitably be true of any confirmation of UFO theories, Like yeah,

1017
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 2: it's hard.

1018
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 6: I think as soon as the government gets in, like

1019
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 6: it's that really complicates things inherently. Yeah, and the Department

1020
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 6: of Defense, because it's like like these people lie, that's

1021
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 6: their job. Yeah, Like if the if the military is

1022
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 6: telling me something, that's like how you know not to

1023
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 6: believe it? Right, Like even if the thing's true, they're

1024
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 6: telling you a fake version of it, like yeah, yeah,

1025
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 6: never ever told the truth ever.

1026
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: But at the same that's like the main thing the

1027
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: military does is lie. I felt a little called out

1028
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: when you're your guest on What I Am a Patreon Okay,

1029
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: but now but you're you're a New Yorker interview with

1030
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: Chris Wiley or your interview with the New Yorker writer

1031
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: Chris Wiley. He kind of he compared it to He

1032
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: was saying that, like it is by definition, like an

1033
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: incredibly information rich like environment, similar to QAnon. I'm wondering

1034
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: if like that's what happened to me, is like because

1035
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: as we've like covered QAnon on this show, it's like

1036
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: the thing that people want is not the truth. They

1037
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: want another dozen theories that like aren't connect in vague

1038
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: ways to the last theory. And I'm trying to figure

1039
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: out if like that when a whistleblower came and said, no,

1040
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: this one is the thing, like if I was just like,

1041
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: fuck you, it's like too specific.

1042
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 6: It's just yeah, there's like a lot of stuff that

1043
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 6: there's so much out there. And I don't mean to

1044
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 6: discredit David Grush or anything. I was just like I'm

1045
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 6: talking more about like the media spectacle of it all,

1046
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 6: Like I don't it's hard.

1047
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: I'm glad.

1048
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 6: I'm just glad, like I cover first person experiences because

1049
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 6: I can handle that. Like it's hard to be following

1050
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 6: the day to day of the UFO world, especially when

1051
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 6: there's so much fake stuff out there. Yeah, right, but

1052
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 6: insisting is real when you're like, this is not real,

1053
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 6: to be honest with you, though, like like gut check wise,

1054
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 6: like a lot of people with the UFOs, they're like,

1055
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 6: I think it's just testing military top secret military stuff.

1056
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 6: Like I'm like, I don't think we have anything that

1057
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 6: advanced that would be confused with what people see with

1058
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 6: the UFO in terms of like real tech if we did.

1059
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 6: The only way I think if we did is if

1060
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 6: it came from somewhere else, like maybe that, which is

1061
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 6: then the same thing as having a UFO. But like

1062
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 6: as things get increasingly privatized with SpaceX and Virgin Galactic

1063
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 6: and stuff, like, you see how difficult it is to

1064
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 6: accomplish these things, right right, I mean, and and like

1065
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 6: even our defense department like they mostly use contractors.

1066
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: I don't.

1067
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 6: I just don't. I don't really think they have the

1068
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 6: stuff that would be enough to explain it away as

1069
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 6: something that's purely man made unless it came from somewhere else.

1070
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: It would be like such a massive leap to be somethingatical.

1071
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like you always have like mechanicals, they're like,

1072
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: it defies all mechanical science.

1073
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: Like if any of this exists, and.

1074
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: I think that's what name goes, whoa dude, did you

1075
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: that defies all mechanical science? Then yeah, that's like that

1076
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: that's where the emotional investment would come in for me.

1077
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: But I feel like, yeah, in the same way when

1078
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 3: that that dude went up there and was like yeah, man,

1079
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 3: like they have contractors that go like excavate the crash

1080
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: technology and then they send it back. That's and I'm like,

1081
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: this is like a fuck, this is truly a movie

1082
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 3: now like that. Yeah, And again it's like one of

1083
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 3: those it's almost like flat Earth thing where like how

1084
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: many people are fucking involved and no one like you're

1085
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: the first dude to fucking talk about it. That's where

1086
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: it gets a little bit wobbly.

1087
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 6: I do think like I'm on board, Like I'm on

1088
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 6: board with like maybe there are things that have crashed

1089
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 6: that we have and are trying.

1090
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: To figure out.

1091
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 6: Like I don't know if we've figured it out yet

1092
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 6: though I like that theory.

1093
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1094
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 6: I like the theory of there being like a bunker

1095
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 6: where there's like a bunch of like weird stone orbs

1096
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 6: that were just like looking at like what is this?

1097
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: Like how do you work this? Like every once in

1098
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 2: a while a military pilot, well, like how do we

1099
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: get to go out and essentially drunk drive it around

1100
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: because they like figure out there just like oh yeah,

1101
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: it at all.

1102
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: I took him out first.

1103
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: I took him out. It was not good. I fucked

1104
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: up bad.

1105
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: I think I killed like forty cows exactly.

1106
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 6: Or like there's a whole not to go too deep,

1107
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 6: but like there's a whole other thing where it's like

1108
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 6: people who think that it's all telepathic, like the UFO

1109
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 6: is all that. It's just not physically there. It's being

1110
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 6: our brain. Yeah, like it's being sent to us and

1111
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 6: we're seeing.

1112
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: It that way. I know.

1113
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 6: And there's some people that think it's us. It's us

1114
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 6: what do you mean, Like it's like us in the

1115
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 6: future like trying to stop us from because it's like

1116
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 6: it could see they get seen around nuclear bases a lot. Yeah,

1117
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 6: there's like a thought of like humans in the future

1118
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 6: with tech advanced enough to like send something even if

1119
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 6: I don't know, like yeah, like watching ourselves to make

1120
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 6: sure we don't blow ourselves up.

1121
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah that Yeah, there's always an infinite loop right right.

1122
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one I feel like is pretty popular in

1123
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: that world where it's like it's either there's someone being like, dude,

1124
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: stay away from that technology.

1125
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: Man, it's bad.

1126
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: We just want to make sure you guys, so fuck

1127
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: your little marble up that you got here.

1128
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my theory. We're getting stony right now.

1129
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: I like it. Oh yeah. Always. My theory is that

1130
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: like that whatever the thing is, it's you know, it

1131
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: got it has advanced enough technology to get here if

1132
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: if that's what it is, if it's an actual like

1133
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: you know, the technology is way more advanced and yet

1134
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: they haven't used it. Like the modern paradigm would be, well,

1135
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: if you have technology that advance, you just like killer

1136
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: enslave the entire population, right Like that's just how like

1137
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: realist politics assumes that all things work now and will

1138
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: work forever. And we've been seeing these things for decades

1139
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: now and they haven't done that, So they're just like

1140
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: probably inherently distrustful of the military for for good reason.

1141
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 6: Or just watching us or curious because also like ticket

1142
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 6: ticket in one stepstony Air is like a lot of

1143
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 6: like the religious miracles written about, and like ancient texts

1144
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 6: can be interpreted as sightings, you know a lot of

1145
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 6: right stuff. Yeah, because I mean that's like the same thing.

1146
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 6: Like a lot of skeptics will be like, well, you know,

1147
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 6: people really only started reporting UFOs after like sci fi

1148
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 6: came out, and like like sci fi books started talking

1149
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 6: about UFOs. It's like, well, yeah, sure, but also before that,

1150
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 6: if they saw something big and bright and unexplainable in

1151
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 6: the sky, they wouldn't have had that language. They would

1152
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 6: have probably called it a religious miracle. They would have

1153
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 6: thought it.

1154
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: Was an angel.

1155
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 6: Or something like that. They would have called it something

1156
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 6: else and.

1157
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: Load the heavens opened up and angels poured forth upon.

1158
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, or they're you know, whatever it was that they

1159
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 6: thought it would be. You know, these names for things change.

1160
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1161
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: I still like to think that we're just their big,

1162
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 3: messy reality show they like to check in on.

1163
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 6: Maybe just like man, they're fucking up all the time.

1164
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 6: Or it could be multi dimensional beings. Yeah, it's it's

1165
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 6: funny hearing myself talk about that, like this is not

1166
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 6: what I used to be like, but like yeah, yeah,

1167
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:19,959
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

1168
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: No, But I mean that's what I think is interesting

1169
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: about the show because it you you, when you hear

1170
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: all these first hand accounts you just like the mirror,

1171
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: like the the repetition of things, like the fact that

1172
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 3: it is prevalent, it does just make you pause to

1173
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: try and understand, like what what is it about it

1174
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: that that we're seeing these kinds of things all the time?

1175
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Experience kinds of things?

1176
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: And I think that's what is really dope about the

1177
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: show because like, you know, it's like like listening to

1178
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 3: thee with like an archaeologist who goes like burial sites

1179
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: and like they're spooky ship all the time. Like dude,

1180
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: I'm not in the spooky fuck business, but like some

1181
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: spooky shit wash, you know. And I think that's where

1182
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: when you start to see it from all these different

1183
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: angles then and you kind of begin to be like, yeah, this,

1184
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 3: it's there's something here.

1185
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: I can't quite put my finger on it.

1186
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 3: And I'm not like being like yeah, man, because all

1187
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: of this is real, but there's there's like another layer

1188
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: of truth that I feel like that we're chasing or

1189
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: trying to understand. I think that powers so much of

1190
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 3: how we see these things.

1191
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, is there one episode that made you go

1192
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: from normal to one episode that like you just can't

1193
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: shake that You're just like.

1194
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 6: Well, seamless plug? Is that like that that episode is

1195
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 6: starting to come out? Like it the one this week

1196
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 6: is starting like a long series that I've been kind

1197
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 6: of working on since Meet Us.

1198
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, this one multiple.

1199
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 6: This one came really early into the show when I

1200
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 6: thought it wasn't even going to be really a show. Yeah,

1201
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 6: and it like it was just several steps beyond what

1202
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 6: I was used to hearing and just so bonkers and

1203
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 6: like just continued to get more bonkers as it went,

1204
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 6: and that really like pushed me over the edge. And

1205
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 6: I'm I've been working on it for a year and

1206
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 6: a half, like as long as the shows existed. I

1207
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 6: mean I've taken breaks of working on it, like for

1208
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 6: various reasons. Sometimes it's too much, but like it was

1209
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 6: one where when I heard it, I was having this

1210
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 6: interesting reaction where I was just thinking, like, yeah, this

1211
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 6: can't be real because it just can't like it's just

1212
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 6: too much. There's too much, like I couldn't and most people,

1213
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 6: most people leave it at that, but like I can't

1214
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 6: do that. That's not like I wouldn't be doing my job, Like, yeah,

1215
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 6: I can't just dismiss things like I have to have

1216
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 6: a reason why it's not real, Like, okay, it's not

1217
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 6: real because of this, I could still have like not

1218
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 6: been able to find one. And I know for a fact,

1219
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 6: like the people in the story feel the same way.

1220
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 6: And it's just been a it's been a wild ride.

1221
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 6: I'm excited for these to come out because they kind

1222
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 6: of they kind of go all over the place. Yeah,

1223
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 6: so that's one that sort of pushed me over the

1224
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 6: edge a little bit.

1225
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: Nice. Well, I can't wait to hear where that one goes.

1226
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 2: And thank you so much, Jack Wagner for coming on

1227
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: The Daily Zeitgeist man.

1228
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.

1229
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: Guys.

1230
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: I think this is the record tied for the record

1231
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: for the least news we've ever covered on the show, and.

1232
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: There's Crofton has used to be the holder.

1233
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay.

1234
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 6: We talked about it on yesterday's We're covering the real

1235
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 6: news today, that's right. Strap exactly the news.

1236
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: They don't want you your eyes sheep, Well this is

1237
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: the real news. Yes, where can people find you? Follow you,

1238
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: hear you all that good stuff.

1239
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 6: It's the socials are at Other world pod and you

1240
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 6: could listen to it wherever you get your podcast. It's like, uh,

1241
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 6: just look up other Worlds. It's the logos like a

1242
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 6: man jumping through a void. I guess you could say

1243
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 6: there's a jumping out the doorframe, right, he is just

1244
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 6: going through a door, not like a sheet walking through.

1245
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 6: It's like a glass. Yeah, that's I think of it

1246
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 6: and being transplained. Yeah, amazing. Is there a work of

1247
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 6: media that you've been enjoying? You know? Dak's Flame is

1248
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 6: huh huh from you. Oh he was big on YouTube

1249
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 6: and he was like a teenager, but he was in

1250
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 6: the movie twenty one Jump Street and uh his Instagram

1251
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 6: lately and TikTok event extremely funny. Look up Dak's Flame.

1252
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 6: Dak's Flame yeah he uh it's hard to explain. Just

1253
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 6: just start scrolling his videos and watch just like drink

1254
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 6: it in and it's an insane, insane media.

1255
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: It's very good.

1256
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 6: Look at really, look up Dak's Flame.

1257
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: After this all right, We'll do miles. Where can people

1258
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: find you with the working media you've been enjoying?

1259
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: Oh man, I thought Dax Shephard was the only Dax

1260
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: out there. There's two Dacs at least there can only

1261
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: be one.

1262
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 6: Uh.

1263
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 3: You can find me at Miles of Gray, Twitter, Instagram,

1264
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: everywhere else. You can find Jack and I or basketball

1265
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: podcastles with Jack got mad Boosties as we scratch our

1266
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: heads well, looking at the finals, wondering can the Mavericks

1267
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 3: do something?

1268
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 5: Uh.

1269
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 3: You can also find me talking about ninety day fiance

1270
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 3: on twenty day Fiance a tweet I like it's it's

1271
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 3: from NBA Twitter, It's from past Matt Boosti's guest, Jasmine L.

1272
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: Watkins at Jasmine L.

1273
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: Watkins quote tweeted a tweet from Shams about kristaps perzingis

1274
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 3: his like sort of fitness updates of quote Celtics Chris

1275
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 3: Celtics is Kris STAPs Perzingis suffered a torn medial retinaculum,

1276
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 3: allowing dislocation of the posterior tibby allis tendon and Jason said,

1277
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 3: boy I was looking like Floyd mother Floyd Mayweather trying

1278
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 3: to read this.

1279
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot of medical terms. It's very difficult. I

1280
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: can't even believe I got through it. So shout out

1281
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: out for a hilarious tweet.

1282
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: Amazing. You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brian.

1283
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 2: Uh I, Oh, I watched the Richard Linklater movie hit Man.

1284
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, me too.

1285
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, I thought that was fun. Yeah, that

1286
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: was cool. I liked that they were like Hitman don't exist. Yeah,

1287
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 2: stuck a little fact for are you in there? I

1288
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: think they exist in the mafia or existed in the

1289
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: mafia for a little bit and with the military, but

1290
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: not not the version that we're all familiar with.

1291
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeh, being the guy in a diner office guy.

1292
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: He just problem for me, if you know what I'm saying,

1293
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: that doesn't exist. It turns out, so if you're in

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Speaker 2: a relationship with a hitman and a diner, that's a cop.

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Speaker 2: Get out of there. You can find me on Twitter

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Speaker 2: at Jack Underscore of Brian. You can find us on

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Speaker 2: Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: We have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily

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Speaker 2: zeitgeist dot com. Worry post our episodes and our footnotes.

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Speaker 2: We go off to the information that we talked about

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Speaker 2: in today's episode, as well as a song that we

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Speaker 2: think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think

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Speaker 2: people might enjoy?

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Speaker 3: I think we're gonna go out on a little bit

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Speaker 3: of like a new sort of dancy update to a

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Speaker 3: Dina Howard's I Need a Freak.

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Speaker 1: It's called Freak and it's by Live East.

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Speaker 3: And you know from my nineties people out there remember

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Speaker 3: that track, but this is kind of like a more softer,

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Speaker 3: sort of dancier version, but so you still getting those lyrics.

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Speaker 1: I need a freaking them freaking a evening, So check

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Speaker 1: this one out, freaking by Live East.

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Speaker 2: All right, we will link after that and the footnotes today,

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Speaker 2: and that is the production by Heart Radio. For more

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Speaker 2: podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for us this morning, back this

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Speaker 2: afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you all then. Bye bye