Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Gatty Armstrong and
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Speaker 2: Even the man that you picked out, he's got a
Speaker 2: He said he wasn't a.
Speaker 1: Member of a gang.
Speaker 2: And then they looked and on his knuckles he had
Speaker 2: MS thir.
Speaker 1: There's one.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, he had MS thirteen.
Speaker 1: We had some tattoos that are interpreted that way. But
Speaker 1: let's move on.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
Speaker 1: I hey, Terry, Terry, Terry, he did not under letter
Speaker 1: M S one.
Speaker 2: This is m S one three.
Speaker 1: That was the photoshop. So let me do his photoshop, Terry.
Speaker 1: Ahead of that.
Speaker 2: Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime.
Speaker 1: You know, you're doing the interview.
Speaker 2: I picked you because factly.
Speaker 1: I never heard of you.
Speaker 2: But that's okay.
Speaker 1: I picked you, Terry.
Speaker 2: Hey, but you're not being very nice.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, So that's Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: They ran that in primetime last night, like eight o'clock
Speaker 3: in the evening on ABC. Terry Moran, who's their political
Speaker 3: reporter for ABC News, did the interview with Trump.
Speaker 1: Trump. I picked you, frankly, I'd never heard of you.
Speaker 3: I had a point about the actual content of that
Speaker 3: about the gang member MSA. They're talking about the dude
Speaker 3: that the Maryland man. Well, well, we'll hear more of
Speaker 3: it here. Here's a little more of the exchange.
Speaker 2: Well, the lawyer that said it was a mistake was
Speaker 2: here a long time, was not appointed by us.
Speaker 1: Should not have said that, should.
Speaker 4: Not have said that, And just sort of understand the
Speaker 4: person that you're talking about. You know, you're making this
Speaker 4: person sound This is a MS thirteen gang member, a
Speaker 4: tough cookie, been in lots of skirmishes, beat the hell
Speaker 4: out of his wife, and the wife was petrified to
Speaker 4: even talk of him. Okay, this is not an innocent,
Speaker 4: wonderful gentleman.
Speaker 1: From that, I'm not saying he's a good guy. It's
Speaker 1: about the rule of law.
Speaker 2: The order from the Supreme Court stands into our country illegally.
Speaker 1: You could get him back.
Speaker 2: There's a phone on this desk I could.
Speaker 1: You could pick it up, and all the power of
Speaker 1: the presidency.
Speaker 2: You could call up the President of El Salvador.
Speaker 1: And say send him back right now.
Speaker 2: And if he were the gentleman that you say he is,
Speaker 2: I would do that. But the Court hasted you to
Speaker 2: facilitate that. I'm not the one making this decision. We
Speaker 2: have lawyers, but I don't want to do this. But
Speaker 2: the buck stops eyes on, no, no, no, no, I
Speaker 2: follow the law.
Speaker 1: You want me to follow the law.
Speaker 2: If I were the president that just wanted to do anything,
Speaker 2: I'd probably keep him right where he is court.
Speaker 3: And one of the more interesting things about Trump, it's
Speaker 3: always been true, is he's more comfortable in a contentious
Speaker 3: interview than anybody. Most people they avoid them at all costs,
Speaker 3: and you know if they if they get one, they
Speaker 3: really try to make sure that doesn't happen again.
Speaker 5: He doesn't mind at all, or they go heavy on
Speaker 5: the icy stare and how dare you right? Trump mixes
Speaker 5: a little bit of that, a little bit of that in,
Speaker 5: but he's more than happy to mix it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, I think, unless you've heard differently the it was
Speaker 3: a photoshop job on the knuckles of the from the picture.
Speaker 5: I have not heard, and I've read lots and lots
Speaker 5: about this guy that he had those tattoos on his knuckles.
Speaker 5: He was with MS thirteen guys. He had tattoos that
Speaker 5: were popular among MSN MS thirteen guys. He's wearing clothing
Speaker 5: that was popular, and gangs wear certain clothes. If you're
Speaker 5: not familiar with that, you haven't been paying much attention
Speaker 5: for a very long time. And he was id'd by
Speaker 5: a trusted confidential informant that, yeah, this guy's absolutely part
Speaker 5: of MS thirteen.
Speaker 1: They're eating the other hats, they're eating the dogs.
Speaker 3: I think he got I think he got hoodwinked by
Speaker 3: another you know, online thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm ya, I'm ye yoo right, But if the
Speaker 5: Supreme Court, you've got to you got to comply with
Speaker 5: the Supreme Court orders. Otherwise our system breaks down completely.
Speaker 5: And I don't I don't think this dude is a
Speaker 5: hill worth distracting us on. Let's let's just say, hey,
Speaker 5: we're cooperating with of course, no problem. Let's move along
Speaker 5: and deport another five thousand people who have no right
Speaker 5: to be here well and remote remove that as a
Speaker 5: talking point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I don't. I think they shouldn't fight
Speaker 1: so hard on this.
Speaker 3: Get him back and then ship him somewhere else, because
Speaker 3: he's going to get shipped out anyway.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's staying in the United States. Hmmm.
Speaker 1: Send them to uh Mars or Columbia or I don't know. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I was gonna mention is I don't know who invented this.
Speaker 3: It's just been in the last couple of years. This
Speaker 3: is a thing your major interviewers do now. They say
Speaker 3: something very controversial and then they say, well, we've got
Speaker 3: to move on.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no. You don't get to just I
Speaker 1: say something.
Speaker 3: Then you say that's not true, say something else inflammatory,
Speaker 3: and that's say but we've got to move on to
Speaker 3: the next topic.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, that technique. Who invented that? I think
Speaker 1: it might be Christian Walker on Meet the Press, because
Speaker 1: I see her do it all the time. Well, studies
Speaker 1: have shown that's not true. But we've got to move on. No,
Speaker 1: wait a second, Wait a minute.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't get to pronounce the argument over in
Speaker 5: your favor. Yeah, no kidding, it's so pathetic.
Speaker 1: I really liked this one.
Speaker 3: I thought this was Trump at his best Trump, where
Speaker 3: he just he talks in a way that politicians don't
Speaker 3: usually talk. I thought it made perfect sense. And well,
Speaker 3: you decide for yourself. This is about whether Pete Hegzeth
Speaker 3: still has the confidence of the president and needs to
Speaker 3: go he.
Speaker 2: Said the other day that you had to talk with
Speaker 2: the secretary.
Speaker 1: Did you take him to the woodshed?
Speaker 2: I had a chalk with him, and whatever I said,
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't be inclined to tell you, but we
Speaker 2: had a good talk.
Speaker 1: He's a talented guy.
Speaker 2: I'm smart, highly educated. Uh, and I think he's going
Speaker 2: to be a very good defense hopefully a great defense secretary,
Speaker 2: but he'll be very good defense secretor.
Speaker 1: You have one hundred percent confidence?
Speaker 2: And I don't have to tell one hundred percent confidence
Speaker 2: in anything? Okay, anything? Do I have one hundred percent?
Speaker 2: It's a stupid question. Look, it's pretty important.
Speaker 1: I have no. No, no, you don't have one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Only a liar would say I have one hundred percent confidence.
Speaker 2: I don't have one hundred percent confidence that we're going
Speaker 2: to finish this interview. Now.
Speaker 1: I thought that was fair point. I thought that was fantastic.
Speaker 3: Anybody who says they have one hundred percent confidence in
Speaker 3: anything is a liar.
Speaker 1: Or just expressing an emotion.
Speaker 3: All right, you're yeah, you're not wrong, You're just expressing
Speaker 3: directionally something.
Speaker 1: But it is a stupid question.
Speaker 3: Design and it obviously designed to get you to say,
Speaker 3: you know get on the record with one hundred percent
Speaker 3: competence or you don't have full confidence or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, and then having baited.
Speaker 5: Somebody into expressing a ridiculous notion I have one hundred
Speaker 5: percent confidence, then you say, well, what about this?
Speaker 1: What about that?
Speaker 5: That in any normal human being would cause a less
Speaker 5: than one hundred percent level of confidence, And.
Speaker 1: Then you've got them. Okay, tee, I don't have one
Speaker 1: hundred percent confidence. We're going to finish his interview. I
Speaker 1: thought that was fantastic. Yeah boy, yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, Trump, for all of the aspects of his
Speaker 5: personality that drive me insane, has a very low setting
Speaker 5: for what am I supposed to say here, which a
Speaker 5: lot of politicians that's all they have and so you
Speaker 5: never get anything out of them.
Speaker 3: He gave a long answer on tariffs. It's the exact
Speaker 3: same thing you've heard a hundred times. So there's no
Speaker 3: really no reason to get into that about how other
Speaker 3: country's been ripping us off, and that's going to come
Speaker 3: to an end. Maybe just this one more on what
Speaker 3: the pain is going to be Clip fifty four.
Speaker 1: There, Michael I said, you're going to have a transition period.
Speaker 2: We've been ripped off by every country all over the world.
Speaker 1: They're laughing.
Speaker 2: And I say, thought we were stupid people than we were,
Speaker 2: And I said, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: We're not hard times. Hard times are ahead. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I think tight times are ahead.
Speaker 2: Look, since I came in, gasoline is down, groceries are down,
Speaker 2: egg prices are down, many things are down, just about everything.
Speaker 3: The polling would show that people think they're already in
Speaker 3: some hard times and that hard times are coming.
Speaker 1: What's your best guess?
Speaker 5: He's playing chicken to get better trade deals and this
Speaker 5: all is over in a few weeks or not.
Speaker 1: I hope that is.
Speaker 3: I hope he's you have one percent confidence he's been
Speaker 3: saying the same thing about tariff's his whole adult wife.
Speaker 1: It's pop.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just wrong, friends. I hate to be
Speaker 5: blunt because he's doing so many great things, I think,
Speaker 5: but he's just wrong about tariffs and how they work.
Speaker 1: It's possible that they're likely to have It's.
Speaker 3: Possible that he's just really committed to this very outlier
Speaker 3: view of the way tariffs can work that practically nobody
Speaker 3: else agrees with. Yeah, So I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope it's a negotiating plan.
Speaker 5: I was listening to a learned commentator who pointed out
Speaker 5: that all US tariffs, all of them going back to
Speaker 5: an Alex Hamilton was advocating for them way back in
Speaker 5: the day, have been implemented gradually and with lots of notice,
Speaker 5: so businesses could plan and sales could be adjusted and
Speaker 5: it wouldn't cause shock and disruption. And that's the part
Speaker 5: of this that's really unprecedented. Just busting them out and
Speaker 5: announcing them, that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, and there's also the other point where he seems
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 3: Taking advantage of two aspects of it that are contradictory.
Speaker 3: It's always about the tariffs are going to pay down
Speaker 3: the debt because this is how much money we're going
Speaker 3: to bring in every year from the tariffs. And then
Speaker 3: the other argument is they're going to you know, we're
Speaker 3: going to get this worked out, that we're going to
Speaker 3: make a deal where it's more reciprocal, in which case
Speaker 3: they would become much much lower. So you're not going
Speaker 3: to enjoy the financial benefit of these tariffs.
Speaker 1: Because you just stated that there's going to be at
Speaker 1: some point in negotiation, so you can't.
Speaker 5: Have both and on the days that he says no, no,
Speaker 5: they're in place, we're going to bring back American manufacturing. Well,
Speaker 5: the purpose of those tariffs is to drastically reduce the
Speaker 5: level of imports. So that's going to drastically reduce the
Speaker 5: level of tariff ref now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just briefly on last night is a big
Speaker 3: speech of the Raley he did in Michigan, and I
Speaker 3: couldn't be happier about the way he's taken on the culture,
Speaker 3: wars and DEI and men in sports and so many
Speaker 3: different things that are huge and nobody had the guts
Speaker 3: to do and everything like that. Like he opened with
Speaker 3: here we are in Michigan, they're coming back. Countries all
Speaker 3: around the world, companies were all around the world are
Speaker 3: coming here to build cars again.
Speaker 1: I thought there's just zero evidence of that, zero zero. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Scott Bessont bessent Vesson said something interesting the other day
Speaker 5: that I thought was a giveaway. It was a wink
Speaker 5: at the markets, and I think they appreciated hearing it.
Speaker 5: Although today's been rocky, but yeah, it goes up and
Speaker 5: goes down. But he said the president likes to create
Speaker 5: strategic uncertainty in negotiations.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't.
Speaker 5: Remember if he used the term chaos, but his meaning
Speaker 5: was clear. Yeah, the President likes everybody to wonder what
Speaker 5: the hell is going and so if we're all wondering
Speaker 5: what the hell is going on, that's a very Trumpian thing.
Speaker 5: So I have a fair level of hope that this
Speaker 5: will all settle fairly quickly and result in some pretty good,
Speaker 5: productive trade deals. But I'm not, again, like Trump himself,
Speaker 5: my certainty is sub one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: What do you think make the argument for why this
Speaker 3: is a good idea if you want to on the
Speaker 3: text line four one five two nine KFTC. I think
Speaker 3: this is beyond a sports story. I think it has
Speaker 3: greater applications.
Speaker 5: By the way, coming up, it's creepy, it's terrifying, and
Speaker 5: you might want to get it. It's a new AI app.
Speaker 5: We'll tell you about next segment. So yeah, getting to
Speaker 5: the Shadoor Sanders story, The son of Neon Dion Sanders,
Speaker 5: touted to be perhaps the number one pick in the
Speaker 5: NFL draft, dropped way wait wait, wait, wait wait, way
Speaker 5: down to one hundred and forty fourth or whatever it was. Yeah, humiliation,
Speaker 5: But he was there gathered with friends and family at
Speaker 5: the Sanders home watching the TV, waiting for the phone
Speaker 5: to ring, waiting for his dreams to come true. Everybody
Speaker 5: really on tanto hooks because of his plunge in the draft.
Speaker 5: When the phone rang and it sounded something like this,
Speaker 5: making was here, jam of the bank.
Speaker 2: How you doing good?
Speaker 5: How are you? Man?
Speaker 2: I'm good. I've been waiting on you.
Speaker 1: It's been along. Wait man, for sure, I'll take you
Speaker 1: over her next year right here? Man, Ye, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait a little bit longer. That okay?
Speaker 2: That grated?
Speaker 4: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Are you he was on phone? You heard that. He
Speaker 1: said you're gonna have to wait a little bit long.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 1: Nobody got this numbered though, he just trolled.
Speaker 2: Ain't trigger now man.
Speaker 5: So that was a prank call telling him he would
Speaker 5: be you picked with the next pick and say, hey,
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to wait a little longer.
Speaker 3: Well, as we talked about the other day, I'm dying,
Speaker 3: so I gotta get this thought out before I perish.
Speaker 3: The non sports interesting part of this to me is, UH,
Speaker 3: don't let your youngster go into their interviews super super
Speaker 3: cocky to where the UH boss thinks, I don't care.
Speaker 3: If this kid is good enough to work at my place,
Speaker 3: I don't want them around.
Speaker 1: They're too freaking cocky.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're great, you don't have to tell anybody
Speaker 5: you're great.
Speaker 1: They'll figure it out. God.
Speaker 3: He he went into a couple of interviews, and the
Speaker 3: more more rumors are float floating around where he just
Speaker 3: was like so cocky, like looking at his phone during
Speaker 3: the interview, declaring, you know, he was gonna take over
Speaker 3: the franchise and stuff like, eh, I'll make those decisions,
Speaker 3: you know that.
Speaker 1: Just oh, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Acting as if he was God's gift and the code,
Speaker 5: which is were lucky to be talking to him.
Speaker 1: Just terrible. But anyway, so that prank call awful really.
Speaker 5: I mean, even if if this kid is this Shador
Speaker 5: Sanders is young and and brash and made a terrible
Speaker 5: strategic air, you know, he doesn't deserve that sort of
Speaker 5: emotional torture in my opinion. But anyway, So it turns
Speaker 5: out that voice on the other end of the line
Speaker 5: was the son of the Atlanta Falcons defensive coordinator Jeff Olbrick.
Speaker 5: Jack's Olbrick, twenty one year old son unintentionally this, according
Speaker 5: to the Falcons, statement unintentionally came across the draft contact
Speaker 5: phone number of Shador Sanders off an open eyepad while
Speaker 5: visiting his parents' home and wrote the number down later
Speaker 5: to conduct a prank call.
Speaker 1: Wow, now that's a rank call.
Speaker 5: Jeff Ulbrick, the DC, as we say, of the Falcons,
Speaker 5: was unaware of the dad exposure any facets of the
Speaker 5: frank and was made aware of this of the prankin
Speaker 5: was made aware of the above only after the fact.
Speaker 5: The Falcons do not condone this behavior and send our
Speaker 5: sincere apologies to Shadur Sanders and his family who've been
Speaker 5: in contact with to apologize, as well as facilitate an
Speaker 5: apology directly from Jax to the Sanders family. The young
Speaker 5: mister Ulbrick issued the following apology, and I will ask
Speaker 5: you what you think of it. On Friday night, I
Speaker 5: made a tremendous mistake, Shador. What I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing,
Speaker 5: and shameful. I'm so sorry I took away from your moment.
Speaker 5: It was selfish and childish. I could never imagine getting
Speaker 5: ready to celebrate one of the greatest moments of your life.
Speaker 5: And I made a terrible mistake and mess with that moment.
Speaker 5: Thank you for accepting my call earlier today. I hope
Speaker 5: you find it in your heart to forgive me.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good apology. That's an apology. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I think he actually wishes he hadn't done it.
Speaker 5: One of the aspects of the modern era that I
Speaker 5: actually despise is once some stupid kid and yeah, when
Speaker 5: you're twenty one year a kid, at least these days
Speaker 5: you are. When some stupid kid posts something stupid on Twitter,
Speaker 5: he says something dumb, we act ten years later that
Speaker 5: she exposes their entire character, and we tear them down
Speaker 5: and cancel him.
Speaker 1: He is an idiot. He made an idiotic mistake. Let's
Speaker 1: move on Armstrong and Geeddy Man.
Speaker 3: That most famous girl from the whole Ebstein thing, the
Speaker 3: one that was there with Prince Andrew.
Speaker 1: She was like seventeen years old. He killed herself over
Speaker 1: the weekend. What a horrible story that is? Yeah, terrible,
Speaker 1: dang it. Yeah sad. Anyway, I have some more on
Speaker 1: that later, perhaps the whole Ebstein thing.
Speaker 5: Joanna Stern writes about tech for The Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 5: She's very clever, as you're about to hear, and sounds
Speaker 5: down to earth, and I enjoy your writing. The opening
Speaker 5: a bit of this article tells it all. I've been
Speaker 5: wearing a wire everywhere since February. I've got all the
Speaker 5: transcripts important meetings, arguments with my kids, chats with disgruntled employees,
Speaker 5: late night bathroom routines. There's plenty more that I can't
Speaker 5: share if I want you to keep liking me. She
Speaker 5: has been willingly wearing a fifty dollars be Pioneer bracelet
Speaker 5: that records everything she says and uses AI to summarize
Speaker 5: her life and send her helpful reminders. Getting back to
Speaker 5: the article, I also tested two similar gadgets, the one
Speaker 5: hundred and ninety nine dollars Limitless Pendant and the one
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty nine dollars plowd Note pin. These assistants
Speaker 5: can recall every dumb, private, and cringe worthy thing that
Speaker 5: came out of my mouth. Is this the dawn of
Speaker 5: the AI surveillance state? Absolutely? Is it also the dream
Speaker 5: of hyper personal, all knowing AI assistance coming to life?
Speaker 1: Also? Yes? Absolutely, Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3: The first thing I thought of was, and usually i'm
Speaker 3: I'm my first go to is surveillance state. But my
Speaker 3: first thought was, Wow, if I had AI reminding me, Hey,
Speaker 3: remember you were going to work on that getting your
Speaker 3: real ID. The deadline's coming up, I would love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I was just gonna say, if y'all are
Speaker 5: sitting there thinking, what the hell good would this do me?
Speaker 5: She gets to that, and it's pretty cool. Let me
Speaker 5: read more of her piece. Within hours of wearing the
Speaker 5: bee again one of the three devices she tried, I
Speaker 5: was blown a weight how quickly it turned ramblings and
Speaker 5: random chatter into useful, actionable information. Yet allow me to
Speaker 5: quote myself from February twenty fourth at five point fifteen pm. Wow, quote,
Speaker 5: this bracelet is really effing creepy.
Speaker 1: So here's how they work.
Speaker 5: And she mentions that all the denials we've heard through
Speaker 5: the years that social media apps are secretly listening to
Speaker 5: us too hard, too intensive, too much data buh bah, yeah, please,
Speaker 5: but all those devices do that at the detect dialogue,
Speaker 5: especially your voice, and they stream the audio to your
Speaker 5: phone via Bluetooth, then to company servers where it's transcribed.
Speaker 5: AI models take the transcription and generate summaries, which appear
Speaker 5: in the apps within minutes. Now, one of the devices
Speaker 5: that does not save the audio.
Speaker 1: All it has is the transcriptions.
Speaker 5: The other one limitless keeps the audio, letting you play
Speaker 5: back full recordings of everything you've said.
Speaker 1: Boil boy, oh boy.
Speaker 3: It's a little weird for us because I have full
Speaker 3: recordings of what I say four hours a day, five
Speaker 3: days a week for the past thirty years.
Speaker 1: But so it's not as foreign to me. But why
Speaker 1: that'd be something?
Speaker 5: But you and I also have a heightened awareness of
Speaker 5: the difference between when the mics are on and when
Speaker 5: they're not. True, and more than one good career has
Speaker 5: been ended because a mic was on somebody thought it
Speaker 5: was not I've had a few disagree reached that bullet
Speaker 5: a couple of times ourselves. I've had a few disagreements
Speaker 5: in my life, like minor to major, where would have
Speaker 5: been kind of handy to be able to go back
Speaker 5: and say.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you didn't mention that to me. They said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 5: It's like to screen the commercials. Who is it an
Speaker 5: insurance commercial? Guy, I can't remember. Let's go to the
Speaker 5: tape and they go under the hood, right like NFL referees.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Katie, I'm just thinking this sounds like a
Speaker 4: wife's dream, the amount of time, like I told you
Speaker 4: we have dinner tonight at five, No you didn't.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's go to the tape. Let's go to the tape, sir.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic.
Speaker 5: Then she gets into some of the technical ups and downs,
Speaker 5: and Katie would love to have you comment on this
Speaker 5: to your heart's content. But and she gets into how
Speaker 5: AI is nothing without data.
Speaker 1: It needs data.
Speaker 5: So when you feed it everything you've said for days, weeks,
Speaker 5: and months, it gets infinitely more useful. Also, yes, it
Speaker 5: becomes a lot more like a Black Mirror episode, but
Speaker 5: we'll get into that. She writes, with massive transcripts of
Speaker 5: your life, the AI in these apps can summarize. They
Speaker 5: recap your conversations, often reading like a bad biography.
Speaker 1: This is great.
Speaker 5: The b Device summary from April ninths Joanna's day was
Speaker 5: a blend of familiar responsibilities and intense professional engagements. She
Speaker 5: ended the day listening to music by sting riveting stuff.
Speaker 5: Can't wait for the movie adaptation.
Speaker 3: Wow, there'd be some days. Excuse me, there'd be some days.
Speaker 3: Read disappointed in the summary. You worked, you came home,
Speaker 3: you scrolled through Twitter, you ate crap and went to bed.
Speaker 1: Oh my own business.
Speaker 3: AI who Jack has eating his twenty seventh double quarter
Speaker 3: pounder in this week?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, thanks houch track. Yeah it's Kenton, I am.
Speaker 5: The transcriptions themselves aren't all that accurate, but the summaries
Speaker 5: usually are well, except for March twenty fourth conversation with
Speaker 5: Johnny Cochrane about trial evidence. Yep, just a casual chat
Speaker 5: with a deceased liberty lawyer, and she says in parentheses,
Speaker 5: I was watching the new OJ documentary.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 5: But Jack, to your prescian point earlier, some of the
Speaker 5: ways that they're helpful is summarizing things and reminders. Turns
Speaker 5: out I promise to do a lot of things without
Speaker 5: putting them on a to do list. B listens for
Speaker 5: action items and adds them to suggested lists because they
Speaker 5: understand the verbiage in an action item. It's repeatedly reminded
Speaker 5: me of important tasks like calling the plumber or following
Speaker 5: up on work stuff. But it also hilariously adds things
Speaker 5: I'd never put on a list, like quote, check in
Speaker 5: on your six son, or schedule a follow up with
Speaker 5: your hairstylist to discuss your haircut.
Speaker 3: Let's see it analyzes. God, how great would that be.
Speaker 3: I'll bet this happens soon. And like a lot of
Speaker 3: things in life, we can't remember what it was like
Speaker 3: before it where you know in ten years remember when
Speaker 3: you like now we're I often think, you know, I
Speaker 3: go somewhere and I think, how did I.
Speaker 1: Used to get to places? I don't even remember how
Speaker 1: I used to get to places? Did I pull out
Speaker 1: a map? Or how did I even do it? Ask
Speaker 1: friendly strangers?
Speaker 3: Right, well, yeah, Sometimes you'd pull into a gas station
Speaker 3: and say, you know, I'm looking for the sporting goods store,
Speaker 3: which I know is around here somewhere, but I could
Speaker 3: see here in a couple of years. Would be like,
Speaker 3: do you remember when you used to have to remember
Speaker 3: things or write them down on a post it note
Speaker 3: instead of having AI tell me, remember your son's got
Speaker 3: the volleyball game, so you got to pick them up
Speaker 3: from school early?
Speaker 1: That sort of yeah.
Speaker 5: Right, I can't be the only person assembled friends who
Speaker 5: is not great at making to do lists. And how
Speaker 5: many times have I said, I mean, Jeff, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: I won't bother, I'll remember it. I'll remember to make
Speaker 5: to do lists. How many times have I said when
Speaker 5: I think of it. I don't have time, and when
Speaker 5: I have time, I don't think of it. Correct Anyway,
Speaker 5: here's another thing it does both be and limitless. Have
Speaker 5: chatbots so you can ask about your recorded life. I
Speaker 5: asked B for a detailed breakdown of my cursing habits.
Speaker 5: Daily average two point four curses. Please, you're not even trying, sweetheart.
Speaker 1: But it can be what are you a nun?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Two point four a day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's impressive. Well she has kids, good for you? Well, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're never in the car alone. Get out my blanking way.
Speaker 5: But then she says it can be genuinely helpful, like, quote,
Speaker 5: look through my chats with Ethan from B and tell
Speaker 5: me what AI model it uses. So reminders of factual
Speaker 5: things you heard in a conversation that are a little fuzzy.
Speaker 3: Now, God, I'm starting to think I might so all
Speaker 3: of this surveillance stuff we've all opted in, we've all
Speaker 3: decided we're going to carry around a tracking device with
Speaker 3: us all the time, and we all know that we
Speaker 3: just feel like the advantages outweigh the possible disadvantages.
Speaker 1: I think this might end up being true for recording everything.
Speaker 3: I say that the advantages will outweigh the you know
Speaker 3: how it could be misused. God, if you could quickly,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't even have to listen to the conversation. If
Speaker 3: AI could go back through the transcript and it would say, yeah,
Speaker 3: your wife did tell you that you had dinner to
Speaker 3: night at five? Oh cramp eh um, or no they didn't.
Speaker 1: It might be handy. Yeah, I tell you.
Speaker 5: I would describe myself, and again, I have a feeling
Speaker 5: I'm not unique in this is busy, well meaning and
Speaker 5: absent minded. And if my what sits could say to me, hey,
Speaker 5: remember you agreed to play golf with Gordy tomorrow afternoon,
Speaker 5: I'd be like, oh, shoot right, because you know that's
Speaker 5: one of my great weaknesses.
Speaker 3: So here's how you're built that way or you're not.
Speaker 3: It's so obvious because I got two kids that are
Speaker 3: completely different. I got one kid that's very close to
Speaker 3: me on terms of that stuff, kind of like you
Speaker 3: just described my other kid.
Speaker 1: It just all locked in his brain all the time.
Speaker 3: He knows where everything is, he knows what's on the
Speaker 3: schedule today, he knows it. Just it's all there all
Speaker 3: the time. Yeah, but I can't. I can't try harder
Speaker 3: and be that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons my wife and I have escaped
Speaker 5: financial ruin and other bad fates is she's meticulous, and
Speaker 5: so you know when she like pays a bill late,
Speaker 5: it's alert the media. Yeah, it's just what anyway, how
Speaker 5: they're creepy. February twenty third, five point fifteen, in a
Speaker 5: conversation with my mom. This bracelet has nothing to do
Speaker 5: with fitness. It records everything that's being said as her
Speaker 5: mom was asking her, Nobody I've talked to over the
Speaker 5: past few months would have known I was recording them
Speaker 5: if I hadn't told them. It's a little fun like
Speaker 5: I'm a low budget Ethan Hunt.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get that references fy some sort.
Speaker 5: Mostly though, I just felt like a creep and depending
Speaker 5: on the state, I might have been breaking the law.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the other side of this. All that conversation stuff.
Speaker 3: Both ends of it should be uh as into it
Speaker 3: as maybe I would be. Otherwise, you're recording all your
Speaker 3: friends conversations. That's and family's that's pretty dicey.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 5: Some of these are just hilarious because they have transcripts
Speaker 5: and summaries right of your various conversations. This one's labeled
Speaker 5: interaction with pet dog Browser. I think it's Bowser, but
Speaker 5: maybe it is. Browser. That's a very writer a thing
Speaker 5: to name your dog. Here's the transcript. Someone scolded browser
Speaker 5: for chewing something Speaker one, Browser, What are you doing?
Speaker 5: Speaker one again? Can you not chew your whatever? Speaker
Speaker 5: one again? Browser? The transcripts, Yeah, oh, that is some
Speaker 5: useful stuff. Most of my recordings were in New Jersey
Speaker 5: and New York, which are one party consent states.
Speaker 1: And I'd agreed.
Speaker 5: But if I were in one of about a dozen
Speaker 5: states that require two party consent, I need mission from
Speaker 5: everyone in earshot or end up with a possible civil
Speaker 5: liability case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I don't know how that's gonna work. And
Speaker 3: states where you got to have two party consent.
Speaker 5: And then she quotes a lawyer, Jack, who surprisingly says
Speaker 5: you better not, which is what lawyers are paid to say.
Speaker 5: More specifically, he says, I would make sure everyone has
Speaker 5: consented verbally, and while the risk might be low, he adds,
Speaker 5: we would never recommend people take that risk.
Speaker 3: Well, geez, I mean if somebody walks up to me
Speaker 3: and says, I wear a device that records all.
Speaker 1: Of our conversations. Just want to make sure that's okay
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 5: I'd be an automatic No, No, you're freaking f all
Speaker 5: the way off. Yeah, exactly how far away can you
Speaker 5: get in the next ten seconds?
Speaker 1: Get there? How does this benefit me in any way?
Speaker 1: There's only downside.
Speaker 5: So any thoughts, usefulness, hazards, etcetera. Drop us a note
Speaker 5: mail bag at Armstrong and Getty dot com. We'll hit
Speaker 5: them around the same time tomorrow.
Speaker 3: During the show they kind of reminded me of stuff though,
Speaker 3: because it remembers what I said.
Speaker 1: That'd be cool. Yeah, if they.
Speaker 5: Could refine it to promises and actions. And of course,
Speaker 5: you know, in the scenario we've we've talked about a
Speaker 5: couple of times, it would have to be recording my
Speaker 5: wife saying, don't don't forget we're having dinner with the
Speaker 5: Joneses next Tuesday.
Speaker 3: But does it also record remember the other night when
Speaker 3: you said you'd blink my blank Oh no, you don't know.
Speaker 5: Of course, it'd be good to have a transcript funny
Speaker 5: right here in black and white.
Speaker 3: Yes see it's here. Not trying to be argumentative here,
Speaker 3: but read the trans eight seventeen on April the third.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's just a fact. Uh Any
Speaker 3: thoughts on that? Yeah, Texas four one five FTC.
Speaker 1: The enter in.
Speaker 6: Company Billy has launched an ad campaign that features scratching
Speaker 6: sniff posters in New York. But if you're willingly scratching
Speaker 6: and sniff thing the walls of New York, you're probably
Speaker 6: not the deodoran type.
Speaker 3: That's a good point, and it's Anna Purspert. Deodorant doesn't
Speaker 3: do anything you need. Anna Perspert agreed, that's right. You
Speaker 3: got to attack the stench at its source. Jack So,
Speaker 3: in a conversation subsequent to our discussion last segment about
Speaker 3: these AI devices that listen to everything you say and
Speaker 3: then become a reminder, an assistant, et cetera, summarize your conversations,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, we got to talking about one and
Speaker 3: two party consent states. Actually two party consent states are
Speaker 3: all party consent states, meaning in thirty eight states in
Speaker 3: the District of Columbia, just one person has to consent
Speaker 3: to record a phone call or a conversation. So I
Speaker 3: could call up anybody and be recording them and not
Speaker 3: let them know.
Speaker 1: And that's perfectly leaked.
Speaker 5: Not if you're at home in California, But in those
Speaker 5: other states, yeah, the thirty eight thirty nine states. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's correct.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 5: It's a protection against the federal government tapping your phone
Speaker 5: without a warrant. Somebody chatting has to know it's being recorded,
Speaker 5: or the government's got to have a warrant.
Speaker 3: Now, all state the having a minimum of one right, Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually I'm in favor of that. I like that.
Speaker 5: I understand people being in favor of all party consent,
Speaker 5: which is the correct term because you could have three.
Speaker 1: People on a phone call.
Speaker 5: Obviously, But California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada,
Speaker 5: New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington are all party consent states.
Speaker 5: Everybody involved has to give consent. That's interesting that most
Speaker 5: states are not.
Speaker 1: I I don't think I like the idea that somebody
Speaker 1: can call me up and be recording my conversations.
Speaker 5: I hate it, but I understand why it ought to
Speaker 5: be legal. It's one of those things where and yeah,
Speaker 5: there are limits to how great my argument is. But
Speaker 5: my argument is there are laws governing what you can
Speaker 5: do with a recording. If you use that recording to
Speaker 5: damage my reputation, damage my building, humiliate me publicly intentionally
Speaker 5: in ways that are unto order illegal. I can have
Speaker 5: you prosecute and pursue you civilly. It's also an incredibly
Speaker 5: scum baggy thing to do, unless you've got a really
Speaker 5: good reason. On the other hand, you're getting threats from somebody,
Speaker 5: somebody is trying to defraud you, you're in the midst
Speaker 5: of a custody battle, and you are up against a
Speaker 5: congenital liar.
Speaker 1: I can think of a lot of good uses.
Speaker 5: We have legal, ethical and moral uses for that recorded
Speaker 5: You got to say.
Speaker 1: Violent boyfriend or husband, you want to get him on
Speaker 1: the phone admitting to it or acting that way.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, though, like so many things, because of the
Speaker 3: change in technology, Like nobody would have consented to having
Speaker 3: a device that tracks them on their car thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: Nobody's nobody. Why would I ever do that?
Speaker 3: Now we all willingly carry around a tracking device that
Speaker 3: we take with us everywhere we go all the time. Similarly,
Speaker 3: while I hate the idea of somebody recording my phone calls,
Speaker 3: most of our conversations are texts with people, and that's
Speaker 3: you know, as preservable as anything could.
Speaker 5: Possibly be, right, right, I can claim somebody grab my
Speaker 5: phone and typed it out, though damn it, I've been hacked.
Speaker 5: On the other hand, I can ruin this whole discussion
Speaker 5: by saying AI generated audio. You can fake up a
Speaker 5: phone call now, and it's utterly convin and singing. You
Speaker 5: need forensic scientists to decide whether it's legit or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the state of the art is,
Speaker 1: but world keeps getting crazier.
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