WEBVTT - Attack That Stench At The Source

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Gatty Armstrong and

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<v Speaker 1>Jetty and He Armstrong and Eddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the man that you picked out, he's got a

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<v Speaker 2>He said he wasn't a.

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<v Speaker 1>Member of a gang.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they looked and on his knuckles he had

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<v Speaker 2>MS thir.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, Wait a minute, he had MS thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>We had some tattoos that are interpreted that way. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's move on.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I hey, Terry, Terry, Terry, he did not under letter

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<v Speaker 1>M S one.

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<v Speaker 2>This is m S one three.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the photoshop. So let me do his photoshop, Terry.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahead of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're doing the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>I picked you because factly.

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<v Speaker 1>I never heard of you.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I picked you, Terry.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, but you're not being very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, So that's Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>They ran that in primetime last night, like eight o'clock

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<v Speaker 3>in the evening on ABC. Terry Moran, who's their political

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<v Speaker 3>reporter for ABC News, did the interview with Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump. I picked you, frankly, I'd never heard of you.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a point about the actual content of that

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<v Speaker 3>about the gang member MSA. They're talking about the dude

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<v Speaker 3>that the Maryland man. Well, well, we'll hear more of

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<v Speaker 3>it here. Here's a little more of the exchange.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the lawyer that said it was a mistake was

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<v Speaker 2>here a long time, was not appointed by us.

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<v Speaker 1>Should not have said that, should.

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<v Speaker 4>Not have said that, And just sort of understand the

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<v Speaker 4>person that you're talking about. You know, you're making this

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<v Speaker 4>person sound This is a MS thirteen gang member, a

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<v Speaker 4>tough cookie, been in lots of skirmishes, beat the hell

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<v Speaker 4>out of his wife, and the wife was petrified to

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<v Speaker 4>even talk of him. Okay, this is not an innocent,

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<v Speaker 4>wonderful gentleman.

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<v Speaker 1>From that, I'm not saying he's a good guy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about the rule of law.

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<v Speaker 2>The order from the Supreme Court stands into our country illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>You could get him back.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a phone on this desk I could.

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<v Speaker 1>You could pick it up, and all the power of

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<v Speaker 1>the presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>You could call up the President of El Salvador.

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<v Speaker 1>And say send him back right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And if he were the gentleman that you say he is,

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<v Speaker 2>I would do that. But the Court hasted you to

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<v Speaker 2>facilitate that. I'm not the one making this decision. We

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<v Speaker 2>have lawyers, but I don't want to do this. But

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<v Speaker 2>the buck stops eyes on, no, no, no, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>follow the law.

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<v Speaker 1>You want me to follow the law.

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<v Speaker 2>If I were the president that just wanted to do anything,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd probably keep him right where he is court.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the more interesting things about Trump, it's

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<v Speaker 3>always been true, is he's more comfortable in a contentious

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<v Speaker 3>interview than anybody. Most people they avoid them at all costs,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know if they if they get one, they

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<v Speaker 3>really try to make sure that doesn't happen again.

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<v Speaker 5>He doesn't mind at all, or they go heavy on

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<v Speaker 5>the icy stare and how dare you right? Trump mixes

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit of that, a little bit of that in,

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<v Speaker 5>but he's more than happy to mix it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I think, unless you've heard differently the it was

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<v Speaker 3>a photoshop job on the knuckles of the from the picture.

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<v Speaker 5>I have not heard, and I've read lots and lots

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<v Speaker 5>about this guy that he had those tattoos on his knuckles.

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<v Speaker 5>He was with MS thirteen guys. He had tattoos that

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<v Speaker 5>were popular among MSN MS thirteen guys. He's wearing clothing

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<v Speaker 5>that was popular, and gangs wear certain clothes. If you're

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<v Speaker 5>not familiar with that, you haven't been paying much attention

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<v Speaker 5>for a very long time. And he was id'd by

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<v Speaker 5>a trusted confidential informant that, yeah, this guy's absolutely part

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<v Speaker 5>of MS thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>They're eating the other hats, they're eating the dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he got I think he got hoodwinked by

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<v Speaker 3>another you know, online thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm ya, I'm ye yoo right, But if the

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<v Speaker 5>Supreme Court, you've got to you got to comply with

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<v Speaker 5>the Supreme Court orders. Otherwise our system breaks down completely.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't I don't think this dude is a

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<v Speaker 5>hill worth distracting us on. Let's let's just say, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>we're cooperating with of course, no problem. Let's move along

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<v Speaker 5>and deport another five thousand people who have no right

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<v Speaker 5>to be here well and remote remove that as a

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<v Speaker 5>talking point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, I don't. I think they shouldn't fight

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<v Speaker 1>so hard on this.

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<v Speaker 3>Get him back and then ship him somewhere else, because

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to get shipped out anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like he's staying in the United States. Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Send them to uh Mars or Columbia or I don't know. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna mention is I don't know who invented this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just been in the last couple of years. This

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<v Speaker 3>is a thing your major interviewers do now. They say

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<v Speaker 3>something very controversial and then they say, well, we've got

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<v Speaker 3>to move on.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, no. You don't get to just I

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<v Speaker 1>say something.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you say that's not true, say something else inflammatory,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's say but we've got to move on to

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<v Speaker 3>the next topic.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, yeah, that technique. Who invented that? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it might be Christian Walker on Meet the Press, because

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<v Speaker 1>I see her do it all the time. Well, studies

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<v Speaker 1>have shown that's not true. But we've got to move on. No,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a second, Wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you don't get to pronounce the argument over in

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<v Speaker 5>your favor. Yeah, no kidding, it's so pathetic.

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<v Speaker 1>I really liked this one.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought this was Trump at his best Trump, where

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<v Speaker 3>he just he talks in a way that politicians don't

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<v Speaker 3>usually talk. I thought it made perfect sense. And well,

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<v Speaker 3>you decide for yourself. This is about whether Pete Hegzeth

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<v Speaker 3>still has the confidence of the president and needs to

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<v Speaker 3>go he.

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<v Speaker 2>Said the other day that you had to talk with

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<v Speaker 2>the secretary.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you take him to the woodshed?

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<v Speaker 2>I had a chalk with him, and whatever I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably wouldn't be inclined to tell you, but we

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<v Speaker 2>had a good talk.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a talented guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm smart, highly educated. Uh, and I think he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a very good defense hopefully a great defense secretary,

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<v Speaker 2>but he'll be very good defense secretor.

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<v Speaker 1>You have one hundred percent confidence?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't have to tell one hundred percent confidence

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<v Speaker 2>in anything? Okay, anything? Do I have one hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a stupid question. Look, it's pretty important.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no. No, no, you don't have one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Only a liar would say I have one hundred percent confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have one hundred percent confidence that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to finish this interview. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was fair point. I thought that was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody who says they have one hundred percent confidence in

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<v Speaker 3>anything is a liar.

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<v Speaker 1>Or just expressing an emotion.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, you're yeah, you're not wrong, You're just expressing

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<v Speaker 3>directionally something.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a stupid question.

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<v Speaker 3>Design and it obviously designed to get you to say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know get on the record with one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 3>competence or you don't have full confidence or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and then having baited.

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<v Speaker 5>Somebody into expressing a ridiculous notion I have one hundred

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<v Speaker 5>percent confidence, then you say, well, what about this?

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<v Speaker 1>What about that?

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<v Speaker 5>That in any normal human being would cause a less

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<v Speaker 5>than one hundred percent level of confidence, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you've got them. Okay, tee, I don't have one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent confidence. We're going to finish his interview. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was fantastic. Yeah boy, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, Trump, for all of the aspects of his

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<v Speaker 5>personality that drive me insane, has a very low setting

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<v Speaker 5>for what am I supposed to say here, which a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of politicians that's all they have and so you

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<v Speaker 5>never get anything out of them.

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<v Speaker 3>He gave a long answer on tariffs. It's the exact

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<v Speaker 3>same thing you've heard a hundred times. So there's no

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<v Speaker 3>really no reason to get into that about how other

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<v Speaker 3>country's been ripping us off, and that's going to come

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<v Speaker 3>to an end. Maybe just this one more on what

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<v Speaker 3>the pain is going to be Clip fifty four.

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<v Speaker 1>There, Michael I said, you're going to have a transition period.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been ripped off by every country all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>They're laughing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say, thought we were stupid people than we were,

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, that's not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not hard times. Hard times are ahead. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think so. I think tight times are ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, since I came in, gasoline is down, groceries are down,

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<v Speaker 2>egg prices are down, many things are down, just about everything.

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<v Speaker 3>The polling would show that people think they're already in

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<v Speaker 3>some hard times and that hard times are coming.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your best guess?

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<v Speaker 5>He's playing chicken to get better trade deals and this

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<v Speaker 5>all is over in a few weeks or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that is.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope he's you have one percent confidence he's been

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<v Speaker 3>saying the same thing about tariff's his whole adult wife.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pop.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he's just wrong, friends. I hate to be

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<v Speaker 5>blunt because he's doing so many great things, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>but he's just wrong about tariffs and how they work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible that they're likely to have It's.

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<v Speaker 3>Possible that he's just really committed to this very outlier

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<v Speaker 3>view of the way tariffs can work that practically nobody

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<v Speaker 3>else agrees with. Yeah, So I hope that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hope it's a negotiating plan.

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<v Speaker 5>I was listening to a learned commentator who pointed out

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<v Speaker 5>that all US tariffs, all of them going back to

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<v Speaker 5>an Alex Hamilton was advocating for them way back in

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<v Speaker 5>the day, have been implemented gradually and with lots of notice,

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<v Speaker 5>so businesses could plan and sales could be adjusted and

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<v Speaker 5>it wouldn't cause shock and disruption. And that's the part

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<v Speaker 5>of this that's really unprecedented. Just busting them out and

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<v Speaker 5>announcing them, that's kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and there's also the other point where he seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Taking advantage of two aspects of it that are contradictory.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always about the tariffs are going to pay down

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<v Speaker 3>the debt because this is how much money we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to bring in every year from the tariffs. And then

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<v Speaker 3>the other argument is they're going to you know, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to get this worked out, that we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>make a deal where it's more reciprocal, in which case

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<v Speaker 3>they would become much much lower. So you're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to enjoy the financial benefit of these tariffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you just stated that there's going to be at

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<v Speaker 1>some point in negotiation, so you can't.

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<v Speaker 5>Have both and on the days that he says no, no,

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<v Speaker 5>they're in place, we're going to bring back American manufacturing. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>the purpose of those tariffs is to drastically reduce the

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<v Speaker 5>level of imports. So that's going to drastically reduce the

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<v Speaker 5>level of tariff ref now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So just briefly on last night is a big

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<v Speaker 3>speech of the Raley he did in Michigan, and I

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't be happier about the way he's taken on the culture,

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<v Speaker 3>wars and DEI and men in sports and so many

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<v Speaker 3>different things that are huge and nobody had the guts

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<v Speaker 3>to do and everything like that. Like he opened with

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<v Speaker 3>here we are in Michigan, they're coming back. Countries all

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<v Speaker 3>around the world, companies were all around the world are

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<v Speaker 3>coming here to build cars again.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought there's just zero evidence of that, zero zero. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Scott Bessont bessent Vesson said something interesting the other day

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<v Speaker 5>that I thought was a giveaway. It was a wink

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<v Speaker 5>at the markets, and I think they appreciated hearing it.

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<v Speaker 5>Although today's been rocky, but yeah, it goes up and

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<v Speaker 5>goes down. But he said the president likes to create

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<v Speaker 5>strategic uncertainty in negotiations.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can't.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember if he used the term chaos, but his meaning

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<v Speaker 5>was clear. Yeah, the President likes everybody to wonder what

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<v Speaker 5>the hell is going and so if we're all wondering

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<v Speaker 5>what the hell is going on, that's a very Trumpian thing.

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<v Speaker 5>So I have a fair level of hope that this

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<v Speaker 5>will all settle fairly quickly and result in some pretty good,

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<v Speaker 5>productive trade deals. But I'm not, again, like Trump himself,

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<v Speaker 5>my certainty is sub one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think make the argument for why this

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<v Speaker 3>is a good idea if you want to on the

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<v Speaker 3>text line four one five two nine KFTC. I think

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<v Speaker 3>this is beyond a sports story. I think it has

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<v Speaker 3>greater applications.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, coming up, it's creepy, it's terrifying, and

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<v Speaker 5>you might want to get it. It's a new AI app.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll tell you about next segment. So yeah, getting to

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<v Speaker 5>the Shadoor Sanders story, The son of Neon Dion Sanders,

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<v Speaker 5>touted to be perhaps the number one pick in the

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<v Speaker 5>NFL draft, dropped way wait wait, wait, wait wait, way

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<v Speaker 5>down to one hundred and forty fourth or whatever it was. Yeah, humiliation,

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<v Speaker 5>But he was there gathered with friends and family at

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<v Speaker 5>the Sanders home watching the TV, waiting for the phone

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<v Speaker 5>to ring, waiting for his dreams to come true. Everybody

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<v Speaker 5>really on tanto hooks because of his plunge in the draft.

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<v Speaker 5>When the phone rang and it sounded something like this,

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<v Speaker 5>making was here, jam of the bank.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing good?

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<v Speaker 5>How are you? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. I've been waiting on you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been along. Wait man, for sure, I'll take you

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<v Speaker 1>over her next year right here? Man, Ye, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to wait a little bit longer. That okay?

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<v Speaker 2>That grated?

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<v Speaker 4>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you he was on phone? You heard that. He

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<v Speaker 1>said you're gonna have to wait a little bit long.

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<v Speaker 5>That.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody got this numbered though, he just trolled.

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<v Speaker 2>Ain't trigger now man.

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<v Speaker 5>So that was a prank call telling him he would

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<v Speaker 5>be you picked with the next pick and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>you're gonna have to wait a little longer.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, as we talked about the other day, I'm dying,

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<v Speaker 3>so I gotta get this thought out before I perish.

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<v Speaker 3>The non sports interesting part of this to me is, UH,

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<v Speaker 3>don't let your youngster go into their interviews super super

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<v Speaker 3>cocky to where the UH boss thinks, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>If this kid is good enough to work at my place,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want them around.

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<v Speaker 1>They're too freaking cocky.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if you're great, you don't have to tell anybody

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<v Speaker 5>you're great.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll figure it out. God.

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<v Speaker 3>He he went into a couple of interviews, and the

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<v Speaker 3>more more rumors are float floating around where he just

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<v Speaker 3>was like so cocky, like looking at his phone during

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<v Speaker 3>the interview, declaring, you know, he was gonna take over

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<v Speaker 3>the franchise and stuff like, eh, I'll make those decisions,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just oh, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>Acting as if he was God's gift and the code,

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<v Speaker 5>which is were lucky to be talking to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Just terrible. But anyway, so that prank call awful really.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, even if if this kid is this Shador

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<v Speaker 5>Sanders is young and and brash and made a terrible

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<v Speaker 5>strategic air, you know, he doesn't deserve that sort of

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<v Speaker 5>emotional torture in my opinion. But anyway, So it turns

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<v Speaker 5>out that voice on the other end of the line

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<v Speaker 5>was the son of the Atlanta Falcons defensive coordinator Jeff Olbrick.

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<v Speaker 5>Jack's Olbrick, twenty one year old son unintentionally this, according

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<v Speaker 5>to the Falcons, statement unintentionally came across the draft contact

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<v Speaker 5>phone number of Shador Sanders off an open eyepad while

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<v Speaker 5>visiting his parents' home and wrote the number down later

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<v Speaker 5>to conduct a prank call.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, now that's a rank call.

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<v Speaker 5>Jeff Ulbrick, the DC, as we say, of the Falcons,

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<v Speaker 5>was unaware of the dad exposure any facets of the

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<v Speaker 5>frank and was made aware of this of the prankin

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<v Speaker 5>was made aware of the above only after the fact.

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<v Speaker 5>The Falcons do not condone this behavior and send our

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<v Speaker 5>sincere apologies to Shadur Sanders and his family who've been

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<v Speaker 5>in contact with to apologize, as well as facilitate an

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<v Speaker 5>apology directly from Jax to the Sanders family. The young

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<v Speaker 5>mister Ulbrick issued the following apology, and I will ask

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<v Speaker 5>you what you think of it. On Friday night, I

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<v Speaker 5>made a tremendous mistake, Shador. What I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing,

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<v Speaker 5>and shameful. I'm so sorry I took away from your moment.

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<v Speaker 5>It was selfish and childish. I could never imagine getting

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<v Speaker 5>ready to celebrate one of the greatest moments of your life.

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<v Speaker 5>And I made a terrible mistake and mess with that moment.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for accepting my call earlier today. I hope

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<v Speaker 5>you find it in your heart to forgive me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty good apology. That's an apology. That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he actually wishes he hadn't done it.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the aspects of the modern era that I

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<v Speaker 5>actually despise is once some stupid kid and yeah, when

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<v Speaker 5>you're twenty one year a kid, at least these days

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<v Speaker 5>you are. When some stupid kid posts something stupid on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 5>he says something dumb, we act ten years later that

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<v Speaker 5>she exposes their entire character, and we tear them down

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<v Speaker 5>and cancel him.

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<v Speaker 1>He is an idiot. He made an idiotic mistake. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>move on Armstrong and Geeddy Man.

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<v Speaker 3>That most famous girl from the whole Ebstein thing, the

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<v Speaker 3>one that was there with Prince Andrew.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like seventeen years old. He killed herself over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. What a horrible story that is? Yeah, terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>dang it. Yeah sad. Anyway, I have some more on

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<v Speaker 1>that later, perhaps the whole Ebstein thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Joanna Stern writes about tech for The Wall Street Journal.

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<v Speaker 5>She's very clever, as you're about to hear, and sounds

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<v Speaker 5>down to earth, and I enjoy your writing. The opening

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<v Speaker 5>a bit of this article tells it all. I've been

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<v Speaker 5>wearing a wire everywhere since February. I've got all the

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<v Speaker 5>transcripts important meetings, arguments with my kids, chats with disgruntled employees,

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<v Speaker 5>late night bathroom routines. There's plenty more that I can't

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<v Speaker 5>share if I want you to keep liking me. She

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<v Speaker 5>has been willingly wearing a fifty dollars be Pioneer bracelet

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<v Speaker 5>that records everything she says and uses AI to summarize

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<v Speaker 5>her life and send her helpful reminders. Getting back to

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<v Speaker 5>the article, I also tested two similar gadgets, the one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred and ninety nine dollars Limitless Pendant and the one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred and fifty nine dollars plowd Note pin. These assistants

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<v Speaker 5>can recall every dumb, private, and cringe worthy thing that

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<v Speaker 5>came out of my mouth. Is this the dawn of

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<v Speaker 5>the AI surveillance state? Absolutely? Is it also the dream

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<v Speaker 5>of hyper personal, all knowing AI assistance coming to life?

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<v Speaker 1>Also? Yes? Absolutely, Yeah, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>The first thing I thought of was, and usually i'm

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<v Speaker 3>I'm my first go to is surveillance state. But my

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<v Speaker 3>first thought was, Wow, if I had AI reminding me, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>remember you were going to work on that getting your

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<v Speaker 3>real ID. The deadline's coming up, I would love that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I was just gonna say, if y'all are

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<v Speaker 5>sitting there thinking, what the hell good would this do me?

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<v Speaker 5>She gets to that, and it's pretty cool. Let me

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<v Speaker 5>read more of her piece. Within hours of wearing the

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<v Speaker 5>bee again one of the three devices she tried, I

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<v Speaker 5>was blown a weight how quickly it turned ramblings and

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<v Speaker 5>random chatter into useful, actionable information. Yet allow me to

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<v Speaker 5>quote myself from February twenty fourth at five point fifteen pm. Wow, quote,

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<v Speaker 5>this bracelet is really effing creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's how they work.

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<v Speaker 5>And she mentions that all the denials we've heard through

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<v Speaker 5>the years that social media apps are secretly listening to

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<v Speaker 5>us too hard, too intensive, too much data buh bah, yeah, please,

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<v Speaker 5>but all those devices do that at the detect dialogue,

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<v Speaker 5>especially your voice, and they stream the audio to your

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<v Speaker 5>phone via Bluetooth, then to company servers where it's transcribed.

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<v Speaker 5>AI models take the transcription and generate summaries, which appear

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<v Speaker 5>in the apps within minutes. Now, one of the devices

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<v Speaker 5>that does not save the audio.

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<v Speaker 1>All it has is the transcriptions.

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<v Speaker 5>The other one limitless keeps the audio, letting you play

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<v Speaker 5>back full recordings of everything you've said.

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<v Speaker 1>Boil boy, oh boy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a little weird for us because I have full

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<v Speaker 3>recordings of what I say four hours a day, five

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<v Speaker 3>days a week for the past thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>But so it's not as foreign to me. But why

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be something?

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<v Speaker 5>But you and I also have a heightened awareness of

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<v Speaker 5>the difference between when the mics are on and when

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<v Speaker 5>they're not. True, and more than one good career has

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<v Speaker 5>been ended because a mic was on somebody thought it

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<v Speaker 5>was not I've had a few disagree reached that bullet

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of times ourselves. I've had a few disagreements

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<v Speaker 5>in my life, like minor to major, where would have

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<v Speaker 5>been kind of handy to be able to go back

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<v Speaker 5>and say.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure you didn't mention that to me. They said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like to screen the commercials. Who is it an

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<v Speaker 5>insurance commercial? Guy, I can't remember. Let's go to the

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<v Speaker 5>tape and they go under the hood, right like NFL referees.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, Katie, I'm just thinking this sounds like a

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<v Speaker 4>wife's dream, the amount of time, like I told you

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<v Speaker 4>we have dinner tonight at five, No you didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, let's go to the tape. Let's go to the tape, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 5>Then she gets into some of the technical ups and downs,

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<v Speaker 5>and Katie would love to have you comment on this

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<v Speaker 5>to your heart's content. But and she gets into how

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<v Speaker 5>AI is nothing without data.

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<v Speaker 1>It needs data.

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<v Speaker 5>So when you feed it everything you've said for days, weeks,

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<v Speaker 5>and months, it gets infinitely more useful. Also, yes, it

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<v Speaker 5>becomes a lot more like a Black Mirror episode, but

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<v Speaker 5>we'll get into that. She writes, with massive transcripts of

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<v Speaker 5>your life, the AI in these apps can summarize. They

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<v Speaker 5>recap your conversations, often reading like a bad biography.

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<v Speaker 1>This is great.

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<v Speaker 5>The b Device summary from April ninths Joanna's day was

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<v Speaker 5>a blend of familiar responsibilities and intense professional engagements. She

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<v Speaker 5>ended the day listening to music by sting riveting stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Can't wait for the movie adaptation.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, there'd be some days. Excuse me, there'd be some days.

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<v Speaker 3>Read disappointed in the summary. You worked, you came home,

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<v Speaker 3>you scrolled through Twitter, you ate crap and went to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my own business.

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<v Speaker 3>AI who Jack has eating his twenty seventh double quarter

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<v Speaker 3>pounder in this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, thanks houch track. Yeah it's Kenton, I am.

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<v Speaker 5>The transcriptions themselves aren't all that accurate, but the summaries

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<v Speaker 5>usually are well, except for March twenty fourth conversation with

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<v Speaker 5>Johnny Cochrane about trial evidence. Yep, just a casual chat

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<v Speaker 5>with a deceased liberty lawyer, and she says in parentheses,

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<v Speaker 5>I was watching the new OJ documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 5>But Jack, to your prescian point earlier, some of the

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<v Speaker 5>ways that they're helpful is summarizing things and reminders. Turns

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<v Speaker 5>out I promise to do a lot of things without

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<v Speaker 5>putting them on a to do list. B listens for

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<v Speaker 5>action items and adds them to suggested lists because they

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<v Speaker 5>understand the verbiage in an action item. It's repeatedly reminded

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<v Speaker 5>me of important tasks like calling the plumber or following

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<v Speaker 5>up on work stuff. But it also hilariously adds things

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<v Speaker 5>I'd never put on a list, like quote, check in

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<v Speaker 5>on your six son, or schedule a follow up with

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<v Speaker 5>your hairstylist to discuss your haircut.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see it analyzes. God, how great would that be.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll bet this happens soon. And like a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>things in life, we can't remember what it was like

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<v Speaker 3>before it where you know in ten years remember when

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<v Speaker 3>you like now we're I often think, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>go somewhere and I think, how did I.

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<v Speaker 1>Used to get to places? I don't even remember how

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<v Speaker 1>I used to get to places? Did I pull out

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<v Speaker 1>a map? Or how did I even do it? Ask

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<v Speaker 1>friendly strangers?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, well, yeah, Sometimes you'd pull into a gas station

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<v Speaker 3>and say, you know, I'm looking for the sporting goods store,

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<v Speaker 3>which I know is around here somewhere, but I could

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<v Speaker 3>see here in a couple of years. Would be like,

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<v Speaker 3>do you remember when you used to have to remember

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<v Speaker 3>things or write them down on a post it note

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<v Speaker 3>instead of having AI tell me, remember your son's got

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<v Speaker 3>the volleyball game, so you got to pick them up

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<v Speaker 3>from school early?

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<v Speaker 1>That sort of yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, I can't be the only person assembled friends who

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<v Speaker 5>is not great at making to do lists. And how

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<v Speaker 5>many times have I said, I mean, Jeff, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 5>I won't bother, I'll remember it. I'll remember to make

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<v Speaker 5>to do lists. How many times have I said when

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<v Speaker 5>I think of it. I don't have time, and when

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<v Speaker 5>I have time, I don't think of it. Correct Anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>here's another thing it does both be and limitless. Have

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<v Speaker 5>chatbots so you can ask about your recorded life. I

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<v Speaker 5>asked B for a detailed breakdown of my cursing habits.

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<v Speaker 5>Daily average two point four curses. Please, you're not even trying, sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 1>But it can be what are you a nun?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Two point four a day.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well it's impressive. Well she has kids, good for you? Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>you're never in the car alone. Get out my blanking way.

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<v Speaker 5>But then she says it can be genuinely helpful, like, quote,

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<v Speaker 5>look through my chats with Ethan from B and tell

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<v Speaker 5>me what AI model it uses. So reminders of factual

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<v Speaker 5>things you heard in a conversation that are a little fuzzy.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, God, I'm starting to think I might so all

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<v Speaker 3>of this surveillance stuff we've all opted in, we've all

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<v Speaker 3>decided we're going to carry around a tracking device with

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<v Speaker 3>us all the time, and we all know that we

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<v Speaker 3>just feel like the advantages outweigh the possible disadvantages.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this might end up being true for recording everything.

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<v Speaker 3>I say that the advantages will outweigh the you know

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<v Speaker 3>how it could be misused. God, if you could quickly,

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<v Speaker 3>you wouldn't even have to listen to the conversation. If

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<v Speaker 3>AI could go back through the transcript and it would say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>your wife did tell you that you had dinner to

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<v Speaker 3>night at five? Oh cramp eh um, or no they didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be handy. Yeah, I tell you.

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<v Speaker 5>I would describe myself, and again, I have a feeling

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not unique in this is busy, well meaning and

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<v Speaker 5>absent minded. And if my what sits could say to me, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>remember you agreed to play golf with Gordy tomorrow afternoon,

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<v Speaker 5>I'd be like, oh, shoot right, because you know that's

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<v Speaker 5>one of my great weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's how you're built that way or you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so obvious because I got two kids that are

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<v Speaker 3>completely different. I got one kid that's very close to

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<v Speaker 3>me on terms of that stuff, kind of like you

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<v Speaker 3>just described my other kid.

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<v Speaker 1>It just all locked in his brain all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows where everything is, he knows what's on the

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<v Speaker 3>schedule today, he knows it. Just it's all there all

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<v Speaker 3>the time. Yeah, but I can't. I can't try harder

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<v Speaker 3>and be that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the reasons my wife and I have escaped

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<v Speaker 5>financial ruin and other bad fates is she's meticulous, and

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<v Speaker 5>so you know when she like pays a bill late,

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<v Speaker 5>it's alert the media. Yeah, it's just what anyway, how

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<v Speaker 5>they're creepy. February twenty third, five point fifteen, in a

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<v Speaker 5>conversation with my mom. This bracelet has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 5>with fitness. It records everything that's being said as her

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<v Speaker 5>mom was asking her, Nobody I've talked to over the

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<v Speaker 5>past few months would have known I was recording them

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<v Speaker 5>if I hadn't told them. It's a little fun like

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a low budget Ethan Hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't get that references fy some sort.

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<v Speaker 5>Mostly though, I just felt like a creep and depending

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<v Speaker 5>on the state, I might have been breaking the law.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the other side of this. All that conversation stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Both ends of it should be uh as into it

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<v Speaker 3>as maybe I would be. Otherwise, you're recording all your

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<v Speaker 3>friends conversations. That's and family's that's pretty dicey.

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<v Speaker 4>And then.

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<v Speaker 5>Some of these are just hilarious because they have transcripts

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<v Speaker 5>and summaries right of your various conversations. This one's labeled

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<v Speaker 5>interaction with pet dog Browser. I think it's Bowser, but

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<v Speaker 5>maybe it is. Browser. That's a very writer a thing

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<v Speaker 5>to name your dog. Here's the transcript. Someone scolded browser

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<v Speaker 5>for chewing something Speaker one, Browser, What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 5>Speaker one again? Can you not chew your whatever? Speaker

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<v Speaker 5>one again? Browser? The transcripts, Yeah, oh, that is some

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<v Speaker 5>useful stuff. Most of my recordings were in New Jersey

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<v Speaker 5>and New York, which are one party consent states.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'd agreed.

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<v Speaker 5>But if I were in one of about a dozen

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<v Speaker 5>states that require two party consent, I need mission from

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<v Speaker 5>everyone in earshot or end up with a possible civil

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<v Speaker 5>liability case.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's I don't know how that's gonna work. And

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 3>states where you got to have two party consent.

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<v Speaker 5>And then she quotes a lawyer, Jack, who surprisingly says

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<v Speaker 5>you better not, which is what lawyers are paid to say.

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<v Speaker 5>More specifically, he says, I would make sure everyone has

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<v Speaker 5>consented verbally, and while the risk might be low, he adds,

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<v Speaker 5>we would never recommend people take that risk.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, geez, I mean if somebody walks up to me

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<v Speaker 3>and says, I wear a device that records all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of our conversations. Just want to make sure that's okay

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd be an automatic No, No, you're freaking f all

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<v Speaker 5>the way off. Yeah, exactly how far away can you

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<v Speaker 5>get in the next ten seconds?

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<v Speaker 1>Get there? How does this benefit me in any way?

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<v Speaker 1>There's only downside.

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<v Speaker 5>So any thoughts, usefulness, hazards, etcetera. Drop us a note

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<v Speaker 5>mail bag at Armstrong and Getty dot com. We'll hit

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<v Speaker 5>them around the same time tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>During the show they kind of reminded me of stuff though,

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<v Speaker 3>because it remembers what I said.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be cool. Yeah, if they.

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<v Speaker 5>Could refine it to promises and actions. And of course,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, in the scenario we've we've talked about a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of times, it would have to be recording my

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<v Speaker 5>wife saying, don't don't forget we're having dinner with the

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<v Speaker 5>Joneses next Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>But does it also record remember the other night when

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<v Speaker 3>you said you'd blink my blank Oh no, you don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, it'd be good to have a transcript funny

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<v Speaker 5>right here in black and white.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes see it's here. Not trying to be argumentative here,

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<v Speaker 3>but read the trans eight seventeen on April the third.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just it's just a fact. Uh Any

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<v Speaker 3>thoughts on that? Yeah, Texas four one five FTC.

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<v Speaker 1>The enter in.

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<v Speaker 6>Company Billy has launched an ad campaign that features scratching

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 6>sniff posters in New York. But if you're willingly scratching

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<v Speaker 6>and sniff thing the walls of New York, you're probably

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<v Speaker 6>not the deodoran type.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good point, and it's Anna Purspert. Deodorant doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>do anything you need. Anna Perspert agreed, that's right. You

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<v Speaker 3>got to attack the stench at its source. Jack So,

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<v Speaker 3>in a conversation subsequent to our discussion last segment about

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<v Speaker 3>these AI devices that listen to everything you say and

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<v Speaker 3>then become a reminder, an assistant, et cetera, summarize your conversations,

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<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah, we got to talking about one and

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<v Speaker 3>two party consent states. Actually two party consent states are

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<v Speaker 3>all party consent states, meaning in thirty eight states in

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<v Speaker 3>the District of Columbia, just one person has to consent

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<v Speaker 3>to record a phone call or a conversation. So I

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<v Speaker 3>could call up anybody and be recording them and not

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<v Speaker 3>let them know.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's perfectly leaked.

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<v Speaker 5>Not if you're at home in California, But in those

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<v Speaker 5>other states, yeah, the thirty eight thirty nine states. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a protection against the federal government tapping your phone

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<v Speaker 5>without a warrant. Somebody chatting has to know it's being recorded,

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<v Speaker 5>or the government's got to have a warrant.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, all state the having a minimum of one right, Okay, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And actually I'm in favor of that. I like that.

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<v Speaker 5>I understand people being in favor of all party consent,

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<v Speaker 5>which is the correct term because you could have three.

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<v Speaker 1>People on a phone call.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously, But California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada,

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<v Speaker 5>New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington are all party consent states.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody involved has to give consent. That's interesting that most

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 5>states are not.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't think I like the idea that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>can call me up and be recording my conversations.

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<v Speaker 5>I hate it, but I understand why it ought to

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<v Speaker 5>be legal. It's one of those things where and yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>there are limits to how great my argument is. But

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<v Speaker 5>my argument is there are laws governing what you can

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<v Speaker 5>do with a recording. If you use that recording to

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<v Speaker 5>damage my reputation, damage my building, humiliate me publicly intentionally

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.479
<v Speaker 5>in ways that are unto order illegal. I can have

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 5>you prosecute and pursue you civilly. It's also an incredibly

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 5>scum baggy thing to do, unless you've got a really

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 5>good reason. On the other hand, you're getting threats from somebody,

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 5>somebody is trying to defraud you, you're in the midst

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<v Speaker 5>of a custody battle, and you are up against a

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<v Speaker 5>congenital liar.

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<v Speaker 1>I can think of a lot of good uses.

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<v Speaker 5>We have legal, ethical and moral uses for that recorded

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<v Speaker 5>You got to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Violent boyfriend or husband, you want to get him on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone admitting to it or acting that way.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting, though, like so many things, because of the

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>change in technology, Like nobody would have consented to having

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:24.959
<v Speaker 3>a device that tracks them on their car thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's nobody. Why would I ever do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Now we all willingly carry around a tracking device that

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<v Speaker 3>we take with us everywhere we go all the time. Similarly,

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<v Speaker 3>while I hate the idea of somebody recording my phone calls,

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<v Speaker 3>most of our conversations are texts with people, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as preservable as anything could.

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 5>Possibly be, right, right, I can claim somebody grab my

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 5>phone and typed it out, though damn it, I've been hacked.

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<v Speaker 5>On the other hand, I can ruin this whole discussion

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<v Speaker 5>by saying AI generated audio. You can fake up a

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 5>phone call now, and it's utterly convin and singing. You

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 5>need forensic scientists to decide whether it's legit or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the state of the art is,

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<v Speaker 1>but world keeps getting crazier.

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<v Speaker 5>So, speaking of crazy, we've got a lot of great

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