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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Gatty Armstrong and

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Speaker 1: Jetty and He Armstrong and Eddy.

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Speaker 2: Even the man that you picked out, he's got a

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Speaker 2: He said he wasn't a.

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Speaker 1: Member of a gang.

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Speaker 2: And then they looked and on his knuckles he had

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Speaker 2: MS thir.

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Speaker 1: There's one.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, he had MS thirteen.

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Speaker 1: We had some tattoos that are interpreted that way. But

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Speaker 1: let's move on.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: I hey, Terry, Terry, Terry, he did not under letter

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Speaker 1: M S one.

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Speaker 2: This is m S one three.

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Speaker 1: That was the photoshop. So let me do his photoshop, Terry.

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Speaker 1: Ahead of that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're doing the interview.

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Speaker 2: I picked you because factly.

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Speaker 1: I never heard of you.

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Speaker 2: But that's okay.

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Speaker 1: I picked you, Terry.

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Speaker 2: Hey, but you're not being very nice.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, So that's Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: They ran that in primetime last night, like eight o'clock

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Speaker 3: in the evening on ABC. Terry Moran, who's their political

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Speaker 3: reporter for ABC News, did the interview with Trump.

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Speaker 1: Trump. I picked you, frankly, I'd never heard of you.

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Speaker 3: I had a point about the actual content of that

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Speaker 3: about the gang member MSA. They're talking about the dude

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Speaker 3: that the Maryland man. Well, well, we'll hear more of

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Speaker 3: it here. Here's a little more of the exchange.

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Speaker 2: Well, the lawyer that said it was a mistake was

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Speaker 2: here a long time, was not appointed by us.

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Speaker 1: Should not have said that, should.

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Speaker 4: Not have said that, And just sort of understand the

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Speaker 4: person that you're talking about. You know, you're making this

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Speaker 4: person sound This is a MS thirteen gang member, a

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Speaker 4: tough cookie, been in lots of skirmishes, beat the hell

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Speaker 4: out of his wife, and the wife was petrified to

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Speaker 4: even talk of him. Okay, this is not an innocent,

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Speaker 4: wonderful gentleman.

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Speaker 1: From that, I'm not saying he's a good guy. It's

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Speaker 1: about the rule of law.

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Speaker 2: The order from the Supreme Court stands into our country illegally.

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Speaker 1: You could get him back.

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Speaker 2: There's a phone on this desk I could.

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Speaker 1: You could pick it up, and all the power of

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Speaker 1: the presidency.

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Speaker 2: You could call up the President of El Salvador.

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Speaker 1: And say send him back right now.

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Speaker 2: And if he were the gentleman that you say he is,

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Speaker 2: I would do that. But the Court hasted you to

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Speaker 2: facilitate that. I'm not the one making this decision. We

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Speaker 2: have lawyers, but I don't want to do this. But

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Speaker 2: the buck stops eyes on, no, no, no, no, I

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Speaker 2: follow the law.

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Speaker 1: You want me to follow the law.

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Speaker 2: If I were the president that just wanted to do anything,

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Speaker 2: I'd probably keep him right where he is court.

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Speaker 3: And one of the more interesting things about Trump, it's

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Speaker 3: always been true, is he's more comfortable in a contentious

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Speaker 3: interview than anybody. Most people they avoid them at all costs,

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Speaker 3: and you know if they if they get one, they

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Speaker 5: He doesn't mind at all, or they go heavy on

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Speaker 5: the icy stare and how dare you right? Trump mixes

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Speaker 5: a little bit of that, a little bit of that in,

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Speaker 5: but he's more than happy to mix it up.

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Speaker 3: So, I think, unless you've heard differently the it was

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Speaker 3: a photoshop job on the knuckles of the from the picture.

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Speaker 5: I have not heard, and I've read lots and lots

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Speaker 5: He was with MS thirteen guys. He had tattoos that

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Speaker 5: were popular among MSN MS thirteen guys. He's wearing clothing

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Speaker 5: not familiar with that, you haven't been paying much attention

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Speaker 5: for a very long time. And he was id'd by

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Speaker 5: a trusted confidential informant that, yeah, this guy's absolutely part

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Speaker 1: They're eating the other hats, they're eating the dogs.

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Speaker 3: I think he got I think he got hoodwinked by

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm ya, I'm ye yoo right, But if the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court, you've got to you got to comply with

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court orders. Otherwise our system breaks down completely.

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Speaker 5: And I don't I don't think this dude is a

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Speaker 5: we're cooperating with of course, no problem. Let's move along

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Speaker 5: and deport another five thousand people who have no right

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Speaker 5: to be here well and remote remove that as a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I don't. I think they shouldn't fight

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Speaker 3: Get him back and then ship him somewhere else, because

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Speaker 3: he's going to get shipped out anyway.

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Speaker 1: It's not like he's staying in the United States. Hmmm.

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Speaker 1: Send them to uh Mars or Columbia or I don't know. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I was gonna mention is I don't know who invented this.

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Speaker 3: It's just been in the last couple of years. This

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Speaker 3: is a thing your major interviewers do now. They say

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Speaker 3: something very controversial and then they say, well, we've got

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Speaker 3: to move on.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no. You don't get to just I

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Speaker 1: say something.

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Speaker 3: Then you say that's not true, say something else inflammatory,

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Speaker 3: and that's say but we've got to move on to

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Speaker 3: the next topic.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, that technique. Who invented that? I think

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Speaker 1: it might be Christian Walker on Meet the Press, because

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Speaker 1: I see her do it all the time. Well, studies

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Speaker 1: have shown that's not true. But we've got to move on. No,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't get to pronounce the argument over in

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Speaker 5: your favor. Yeah, no kidding, it's so pathetic.

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Speaker 1: I really liked this one.

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Speaker 3: I thought this was Trump at his best Trump, where

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Speaker 3: he just he talks in a way that politicians don't

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Speaker 3: usually talk. I thought it made perfect sense. And well,

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Speaker 3: you decide for yourself. This is about whether Pete Hegzeth

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Speaker 3: still has the confidence of the president and needs to

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Speaker 3: go he.

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Speaker 2: Said the other day that you had to talk with

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Speaker 1: Did you take him to the woodshed?

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Speaker 2: I had a chalk with him, and whatever I said,

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Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't be inclined to tell you, but we

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Speaker 2: had a good talk.

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Speaker 1: He's a talented guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm smart, highly educated. Uh, and I think he's going

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Speaker 2: to be a very good defense hopefully a great defense secretary,

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Speaker 1: You have one hundred percent confidence?

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Speaker 2: And I don't have to tell one hundred percent confidence

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Speaker 2: in anything? Okay, anything? Do I have one hundred percent?

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Speaker 2: It's a stupid question. Look, it's pretty important.

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Speaker 1: I have no. No, no, you don't have one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Only a liar would say I have one hundred percent confidence.

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Speaker 2: I don't have one hundred percent confidence that we're going

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Speaker 2: to finish this interview. Now.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was fair point. I thought that was fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Anybody who says they have one hundred percent confidence in

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Speaker 1: Or just expressing an emotion.

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Speaker 3: All right, you're yeah, you're not wrong, You're just expressing

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Speaker 1: But it is a stupid question.

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Speaker 3: Design and it obviously designed to get you to say,

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Speaker 3: you know get on the record with one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: competence or you don't have full confidence or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Well, and then having baited.

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Speaker 5: Somebody into expressing a ridiculous notion I have one hundred

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Speaker 5: percent confidence, then you say, well, what about this?

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Speaker 1: What about that?

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Speaker 5: That in any normal human being would cause a less

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Speaker 5: than one hundred percent level of confidence, And.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got them. Okay, tee, I don't have one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent confidence. We're going to finish his interview. I

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Speaker 1: thought that was fantastic. Yeah boy, yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know, Trump, for all of the aspects of his

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Speaker 5: personality that drive me insane, has a very low setting

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Speaker 5: for what am I supposed to say here, which a

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Speaker 5: lot of politicians that's all they have and so you

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Speaker 5: never get anything out of them.

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Speaker 3: He gave a long answer on tariffs. It's the exact

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Speaker 3: same thing you've heard a hundred times. So there's no

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Speaker 3: really no reason to get into that about how other

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Speaker 3: country's been ripping us off, and that's going to come

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Speaker 3: to an end. Maybe just this one more on what

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Speaker 3: the pain is going to be Clip fifty four.

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Speaker 1: There, Michael I said, you're going to have a transition period.

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Speaker 2: We've been ripped off by every country all over the world.

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Speaker 1: They're laughing.

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Speaker 2: And I say, thought we were stupid people than we were,

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Speaker 2: And I said, that's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: We're not hard times. Hard times are ahead. I don't

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Speaker 2: Look, since I came in, gasoline is down, groceries are down,

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Speaker 2: egg prices are down, many things are down, just about everything.

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Speaker 3: The polling would show that people think they're already in

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Speaker 3: some hard times and that hard times are coming.

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Speaker 1: What's your best guess?

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Speaker 5: He's playing chicken to get better trade deals and this

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Speaker 5: all is over in a few weeks or not.

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Speaker 1: I hope that is.

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Speaker 3: I hope he's you have one percent confidence he's been

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Speaker 3: saying the same thing about tariff's his whole adult wife.

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Speaker 1: It's pop.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's just wrong, friends. I hate to be

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Speaker 5: blunt because he's doing so many great things, I think,

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Speaker 5: but he's just wrong about tariffs and how they work.

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Speaker 1: It's possible that they're likely to have It's.

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Speaker 3: Possible that he's just really committed to this very outlier

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Speaker 3: view of the way tariffs can work that practically nobody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope it's a negotiating plan.

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Speaker 5: I was listening to a learned commentator who pointed out

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Speaker 5: that all US tariffs, all of them going back to

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Speaker 5: an Alex Hamilton was advocating for them way back in

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Speaker 5: the day, have been implemented gradually and with lots of notice,

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Speaker 5: so businesses could plan and sales could be adjusted and

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Speaker 5: it wouldn't cause shock and disruption. And that's the part

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Speaker 5: of this that's really unprecedented. Just busting them out and

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Speaker 5: announcing them, that's kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: Well, and there's also the other point where he seems

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Speaker 3: Taking advantage of two aspects of it that are contradictory.

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Speaker 3: It's always about the tariffs are going to pay down

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Speaker 3: the debt because this is how much money we're going

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Speaker 3: to bring in every year from the tariffs. And then

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Speaker 3: the other argument is they're going to you know, we're

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Speaker 3: going to get this worked out, that we're going to

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Speaker 3: make a deal where it's more reciprocal, in which case

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Speaker 3: they would become much much lower. So you're not going

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Speaker 3: to enjoy the financial benefit of these tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Because you just stated that there's going to be at

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Speaker 5: Have both and on the days that he says no, no,

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Speaker 3: The non sports interesting part of this to me is, UH,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're great, you don't have to tell anybody

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Speaker 5: Acting as if he was God's gift and the code,

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Speaker 5: I mean, even if if this kid is this Shador

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Speaker 5: Jack's Olbrick, twenty one year old son unintentionally this, according

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Speaker 5: The Falcons do not condone this behavior and send our

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Speaker 5: you what you think of it. On Friday night, I

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Speaker 5: made a tremendous mistake, Shador. What I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing,

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Speaker 5: It was selfish and childish. I could never imagine getting

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Speaker 5: And I made a terrible mistake and mess with that moment.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for accepting my call earlier today. I hope

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty good apology. That's an apology. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: He is an idiot. He made an idiotic mistake. Let's

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Speaker 3: That most famous girl from the whole Ebstein thing, the

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Speaker 5: Joanna Stern writes about tech for The Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 5: She's very clever, as you're about to hear, and sounds

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Speaker 5: down to earth, and I enjoy your writing. The opening

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Speaker 5: a bit of this article tells it all. I've been

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Speaker 5: wearing a wire everywhere since February. I've got all the

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Speaker 5: late night bathroom routines. There's plenty more that I can't

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Speaker 5: share if I want you to keep liking me. She

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Speaker 5: has been willingly wearing a fifty dollars be Pioneer bracelet

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Speaker 5: that records everything she says and uses AI to summarize

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Speaker 5: her life and send her helpful reminders. Getting back to

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Speaker 5: the article, I also tested two similar gadgets, the one

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Speaker 5: hundred and ninety nine dollars Limitless Pendant and the one

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Speaker 5: can recall every dumb, private, and cringe worthy thing that

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Speaker 5: the AI surveillance state? Absolutely? Is it also the dream

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Speaker 1: Also? Yes? Absolutely, Yeah, it's funny.

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Speaker 5: She gets to that, and it's pretty cool. Let me

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Speaker 5: this bracelet is really effing creepy.

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Speaker 1: So here's how they work.

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Speaker 5: And she mentions that all the denials we've heard through

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Speaker 5: us too hard, too intensive, too much data buh bah, yeah, please,

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Speaker 5: The other one limitless keeps the audio, letting you play

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Speaker 1: Boil boy, oh boy.

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Speaker 3: It's a little weird for us because I have full

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Speaker 1: But so it's not as foreign to me. But why

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Speaker 5: But you and I also have a heightened awareness of

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you didn't mention that to me. They said, yeah,

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Speaker 5: It's like to screen the commercials. Who is it an

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Katie, I'm just thinking this sounds like a

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Speaker 4: we have dinner tonight at five, No you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Oh, let's go to the tape. Let's go to the tape, sir.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 5: Then she gets into some of the technical ups and downs,

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Speaker 5: and Katie would love to have you comment on this

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Speaker 1: It needs data.

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Speaker 5: So when you feed it everything you've said for days, weeks,

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Speaker 1: This is great.

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Speaker 5: The b Device summary from April ninths Joanna's day was

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Speaker 5: Can't wait for the movie adaptation.

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Speaker 3: Read disappointed in the summary. You worked, you came home,

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Speaker 3: you scrolled through Twitter, you ate crap and went to bed.

443
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Speaker 1: Oh my own business.

444
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: AI who Jack has eating his twenty seventh double quarter

445
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Speaker 3: pounder in this week?

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, thanks houch track. Yeah it's Kenton, I am.

447
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 5: The transcriptions themselves aren't all that accurate, but the summaries

448
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 5: usually are well, except for March twenty fourth conversation with

449
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Speaker 5: Johnny Cochrane about trial evidence. Yep, just a casual chat

450
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Speaker 5: with a deceased liberty lawyer, and she says in parentheses,

451
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Speaker 5: I was watching the new OJ documentary.

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Speaker 1: That's funny.

453
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 5: But Jack, to your prescian point earlier, some of the

454
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Speaker 5: ways that they're helpful is summarizing things and reminders. Turns

455
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Speaker 5: out I promise to do a lot of things without

456
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Speaker 5: putting them on a to do list. B listens for

457
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Speaker 5: action items and adds them to suggested lists because they

458
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Speaker 5: understand the verbiage in an action item. It's repeatedly reminded

459
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Speaker 5: me of important tasks like calling the plumber or following

460
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Speaker 5: up on work stuff. But it also hilariously adds things

461
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Speaker 5: I'd never put on a list, like quote, check in

462
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Speaker 5: on your six son, or schedule a follow up with

463
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Speaker 5: your hairstylist to discuss your haircut.

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Speaker 3: Let's see it analyzes. God, how great would that be.

465
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Speaker 3: I'll bet this happens soon. And like a lot of

466
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Speaker 3: things in life, we can't remember what it was like

467
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Speaker 3: before it where you know in ten years remember when

468
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Speaker 3: you like now we're I often think, you know, I

469
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Speaker 3: go somewhere and I think, how did I.

470
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Speaker 1: Used to get to places? I don't even remember how

471
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Speaker 1: I used to get to places? Did I pull out

472
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Speaker 1: a map? Or how did I even do it? Ask

473
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Speaker 1: friendly strangers?

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Speaker 3: Right, well, yeah, Sometimes you'd pull into a gas station

475
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Speaker 3: and say, you know, I'm looking for the sporting goods store,

476
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Speaker 3: which I know is around here somewhere, but I could

477
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Speaker 3: see here in a couple of years. Would be like,

478
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Speaker 3: do you remember when you used to have to remember

479
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Speaker 3: things or write them down on a post it note

480
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Speaker 3: instead of having AI tell me, remember your son's got

481
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Speaker 3: the volleyball game, so you got to pick them up

482
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Speaker 3: from school early?

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Speaker 1: That sort of yeah.

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Speaker 5: Right, I can't be the only person assembled friends who

485
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Speaker 5: is not great at making to do lists. And how

486
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Speaker 5: many times have I said, I mean, Jeff, yeah, no,

487
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Speaker 5: I won't bother, I'll remember it. I'll remember to make

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Speaker 5: to do lists. How many times have I said when

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Speaker 5: I think of it. I don't have time, and when

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Speaker 5: I have time, I don't think of it. Correct Anyway,

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Speaker 5: here's another thing it does both be and limitless. Have

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Speaker 5: chatbots so you can ask about your recorded life. I

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Speaker 5: asked B for a detailed breakdown of my cursing habits.

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Speaker 5: Daily average two point four curses. Please, you're not even trying, sweetheart.

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Speaker 1: But it can be what are you a nun?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Two point four a day.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's impressive. Well she has kids, good for you? Well, yeah,

499
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 5: you're never in the car alone. Get out my blanking way.

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Speaker 5: But then she says it can be genuinely helpful, like, quote,

501
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Speaker 5: look through my chats with Ethan from B and tell

502
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Speaker 5: me what AI model it uses. So reminders of factual

503
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Speaker 5: things you heard in a conversation that are a little fuzzy.

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Speaker 3: Now, God, I'm starting to think I might so all

505
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Speaker 3: of this surveillance stuff we've all opted in, we've all

506
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Speaker 3: decided we're going to carry around a tracking device with

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Speaker 3: us all the time, and we all know that we

508
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Speaker 3: just feel like the advantages outweigh the possible disadvantages.

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Speaker 1: I think this might end up being true for recording everything.

510
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Speaker 3: I say that the advantages will outweigh the you know

511
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Speaker 3: how it could be misused. God, if you could quickly,

512
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Speaker 3: you wouldn't even have to listen to the conversation. If

513
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Speaker 3: AI could go back through the transcript and it would say, yeah,

514
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Speaker 3: your wife did tell you that you had dinner to

515
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Speaker 3: night at five? Oh cramp eh um, or no they didn't.

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Speaker 1: It might be handy. Yeah, I tell you.

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Speaker 5: I would describe myself, and again, I have a feeling

518
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Speaker 5: I'm not unique in this is busy, well meaning and

519
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 5: absent minded. And if my what sits could say to me, hey,

520
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Speaker 5: remember you agreed to play golf with Gordy tomorrow afternoon,

521
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Speaker 5: I'd be like, oh, shoot right, because you know that's

522
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Speaker 5: one of my great weaknesses.

523
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Speaker 3: So here's how you're built that way or you're not.

524
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Speaker 3: It's so obvious because I got two kids that are

525
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Speaker 3: completely different. I got one kid that's very close to

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Speaker 3: me on terms of that stuff, kind of like you

527
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Speaker 3: just described my other kid.

528
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Speaker 1: It just all locked in his brain all the time.

529
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Speaker 3: He knows where everything is, he knows what's on the

530
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Speaker 3: schedule today, he knows it. Just it's all there all

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Speaker 3: the time. Yeah, but I can't. I can't try harder

532
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: and be that way.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

534
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Speaker 5: One of the reasons my wife and I have escaped

535
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 5: financial ruin and other bad fates is she's meticulous, and

536
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 5: so you know when she like pays a bill late,

537
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 5: it's alert the media. Yeah, it's just what anyway, how

538
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 5: they're creepy. February twenty third, five point fifteen, in a

539
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 5: conversation with my mom. This bracelet has nothing to do

540
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Speaker 5: with fitness. It records everything that's being said as her

541
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Speaker 5: mom was asking her, Nobody I've talked to over the

542
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Speaker 5: past few months would have known I was recording them

543
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 5: if I hadn't told them. It's a little fun like

544
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Speaker 5: I'm a low budget Ethan Hunt.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get that references fy some sort.

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Speaker 5: Mostly though, I just felt like a creep and depending

547
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 5: on the state, I might have been breaking the law.

548
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the other side of this. All that conversation stuff.

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00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: Both ends of it should be uh as into it

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Speaker 3: as maybe I would be. Otherwise, you're recording all your

551
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Speaker 3: friends conversations. That's and family's that's pretty dicey.

552
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 4: And then.

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Speaker 5: Some of these are just hilarious because they have transcripts

554
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 5: and summaries right of your various conversations. This one's labeled

555
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 5: interaction with pet dog Browser. I think it's Bowser, but

556
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 5: maybe it is. Browser. That's a very writer a thing

557
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 5: to name your dog. Here's the transcript. Someone scolded browser

558
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 5: for chewing something Speaker one, Browser, What are you doing?

559
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: Speaker one again? Can you not chew your whatever? Speaker

560
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: one again? Browser? The transcripts, Yeah, oh, that is some

561
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Speaker 5: useful stuff. Most of my recordings were in New Jersey

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Speaker 5: and New York, which are one party consent states.

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Speaker 1: And I'd agreed.

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Speaker 5: But if I were in one of about a dozen

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Speaker 5: states that require two party consent, I need mission from

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Speaker 5: everyone in earshot or end up with a possible civil

567
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Speaker 5: liability case.

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00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I don't know how that's gonna work. And

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Speaker 3: states where you got to have two party consent.

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Speaker 5: And then she quotes a lawyer, Jack, who surprisingly says

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Speaker 5: you better not, which is what lawyers are paid to say.

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00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: More specifically, he says, I would make sure everyone has

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Speaker 5: consented verbally, and while the risk might be low, he adds,

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Speaker 5: we would never recommend people take that risk.

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Speaker 3: Well, geez, I mean if somebody walks up to me

576
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Speaker 3: and says, I wear a device that records all.

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Speaker 1: Of our conversations. Just want to make sure that's okay

578
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 5: I'd be an automatic No, No, you're freaking f all

580
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Speaker 5: the way off. Yeah, exactly how far away can you

581
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 5: get in the next ten seconds?

582
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Speaker 1: Get there? How does this benefit me in any way?

583
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: There's only downside.

584
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Speaker 5: So any thoughts, usefulness, hazards, etcetera. Drop us a note

585
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 5: mail bag at Armstrong and Getty dot com. We'll hit

586
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Speaker 5: them around the same time tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: During the show they kind of reminded me of stuff though,

588
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Speaker 3: because it remembers what I said.

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Speaker 1: That'd be cool. Yeah, if they.

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Speaker 5: Could refine it to promises and actions. And of course,

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Speaker 5: you know, in the scenario we've we've talked about a

592
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Speaker 5: couple of times, it would have to be recording my

593
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Speaker 5: wife saying, don't don't forget we're having dinner with the

594
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Speaker 5: Joneses next Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: But does it also record remember the other night when

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Speaker 3: you said you'd blink my blank Oh no, you don't know.

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Speaker 5: Of course, it'd be good to have a transcript funny

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Speaker 5: right here in black and white.

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Speaker 3: Yes see it's here. Not trying to be argumentative here,

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Speaker 3: but read the trans eight seventeen on April the third.

601
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's just a fact. Uh Any

602
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Speaker 3: thoughts on that? Yeah, Texas four one five FTC.

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Speaker 1: The enter in.

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Speaker 6: Company Billy has launched an ad campaign that features scratching

605
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Speaker 6: sniff posters in New York. But if you're willingly scratching

606
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Speaker 6: and sniff thing the walls of New York, you're probably

607
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 6: not the deodoran type.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point, and it's Anna Purspert. Deodorant doesn't

609
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: do anything you need. Anna Perspert agreed, that's right. You

610
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 3: got to attack the stench at its source. Jack So,

611
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: in a conversation subsequent to our discussion last segment about

612
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Speaker 3: these AI devices that listen to everything you say and

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Speaker 3: then become a reminder, an assistant, et cetera, summarize your conversations,

614
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, we got to talking about one and

615
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Speaker 3: two party consent states. Actually two party consent states are

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Speaker 3: all party consent states, meaning in thirty eight states in

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Speaker 3: the District of Columbia, just one person has to consent

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Speaker 3: to record a phone call or a conversation. So I

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Speaker 3: could call up anybody and be recording them and not

620
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Speaker 3: let them know.

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Speaker 1: And that's perfectly leaked.

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Speaker 5: Not if you're at home in California, But in those

623
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Speaker 5: other states, yeah, the thirty eight thirty nine states. Yeah,

624
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 5: that's correct.

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Speaker 1: It is.

626
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: It's a protection against the federal government tapping your phone

627
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 5: without a warrant. Somebody chatting has to know it's being recorded,

628
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 5: or the government's got to have a warrant.

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Speaker 3: Now, all state the having a minimum of one right, Okay, gotcha.

630
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually I'm in favor of that. I like that.

631
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Speaker 5: I understand people being in favor of all party consent,

632
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 5: which is the correct term because you could have three.

633
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: People on a phone call.

634
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: Obviously, But California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada,

635
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 5: New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington are all party consent states.

636
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 5: Everybody involved has to give consent. That's interesting that most

637
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 5: states are not.

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00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: I I don't think I like the idea that somebody

639
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: can call me up and be recording my conversations.

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00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 5: I hate it, but I understand why it ought to

641
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 5: be legal. It's one of those things where and yeah,

642
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 5: there are limits to how great my argument is. But

643
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 5: my argument is there are laws governing what you can

644
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Speaker 5: do with a recording. If you use that recording to

645
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 5: damage my reputation, damage my building, humiliate me publicly intentionally

646
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 5: in ways that are unto order illegal. I can have

647
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 5: you prosecute and pursue you civilly. It's also an incredibly

648
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 5: scum baggy thing to do, unless you've got a really

649
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 5: good reason. On the other hand, you're getting threats from somebody,

650
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Speaker 5: somebody is trying to defraud you, you're in the midst

651
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 5: of a custody battle, and you are up against a

652
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 5: congenital liar.

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Speaker 1: I can think of a lot of good uses.

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Speaker 5: We have legal, ethical and moral uses for that recorded

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Speaker 5: You got to say.

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00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: Violent boyfriend or husband, you want to get him on

657
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: the phone admitting to it or acting that way.

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00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, though, like so many things, because of the

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Speaker 3: change in technology, Like nobody would have consented to having

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Speaker 3: a device that tracks them on their car thirty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's nobody. Why would I ever do that?

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Speaker 3: Now we all willingly carry around a tracking device that

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Speaker 3: we take with us everywhere we go all the time. Similarly,

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Speaker 3: while I hate the idea of somebody recording my phone calls,

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Speaker 3: most of our conversations are texts with people, and that's

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Speaker 3: you know, as preservable as anything could.

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Speaker 5: Possibly be, right, right, I can claim somebody grab my

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Speaker 5: phone and typed it out, though damn it, I've been hacked.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, I can ruin this whole discussion

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Speaker 5: by saying AI generated audio. You can fake up a

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Speaker 5: phone call now, and it's utterly convin and singing. You

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Speaker 5: need forensic scientists to decide whether it's legit or not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the state of the art is,

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Speaker 1: but world keeps getting crazier.

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