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Speaker 1: Hi everyone. I'm Rachel Zoe and I'm Roger Burman, and

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Speaker 1: you're listening to Work for Us, where we talk to

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Speaker 1: people about what works for them in their relationships and

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Speaker 1: of course what doesn't. On this episode of Works for Us,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to give a little more background and color

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Speaker 1: into our relationship by talking about our actual parents. Whether

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Speaker 1: you like it or not, your parents play a huge

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Speaker 1: role in pretty much every other relationship in your life

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Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. And now that Roger

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Speaker 1: and I are parents, I have such a new or

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Speaker 1: very very deep into respect for my own parents just

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Speaker 1: by having a better understanding that it's the actual scariest

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Speaker 1: and most wonderful job you could ever have. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my parents have influenced me in so many ways, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I've always felt like I've tried to take

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Speaker 1: the things I've loved the most about my parents, I

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Speaker 1: respect the most about my parents and try and run

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Speaker 1: with those things, like being good people and always been

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Speaker 1: kind to people, and you know, being grateful and gracious

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Speaker 1: and all of those things, and then the things that

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Speaker 1: irritated me about both my parents. I try if I

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Speaker 1: catch myself doing those, then I try to not do those. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the great challenges his life is

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Speaker 1: to try not to be your parents, I mean, or

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Speaker 1: try to be your parents. Well yeah, but like you said,

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Speaker 1: it's the good with the good and the bad with

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Speaker 1: the bad. I always laugh at that the commercial that's

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Speaker 1: on TV now where there's just like they go to

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Speaker 1: school to not be their parents. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've been seeing them. It's hilarious. It's like I think

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Speaker 1: it's a Gico commercial. It's hilarious. But they're at school

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Speaker 1: and he's like, he's like top of the morning too.

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Speaker 1: He's like, no, nobody uses those words so funny. And

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Speaker 1: they yell at them, you know, and like they're wearing

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Speaker 1: like a like you know, a vests or something. He's like, no, well,

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, you know, for me, it's

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Speaker 1: like the little things. It's sort of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: my mom sleeps till noon. I love it sex. You know,

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Speaker 1: my mom never throws anything out in the refrigerator. Ever.

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Speaker 1: We used to have science projects in the refrigerator along

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Speaker 1: with condiments, but actually nothing to eat. And for me,

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Speaker 1: I just throw everything out after twenty four hours in

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Speaker 1: fear of getting food poisoning. So it's like things like that,

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Speaker 1: you tend to go with or do the opposite. You're

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Speaker 1: a lot more phobic than your mother, Yes, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Where do you get your phobia from? Because your DA's

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Speaker 1: not phobic either, now he's not. I'm the only one.

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Speaker 1: I'm a virgo in a sea of cancers. I am

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Speaker 1: the only phobic person in my family. Yeah. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of strange, and I'm alone on an island. I always

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Speaker 1: have been. But it works for It works for my family.

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Speaker 1: It just does. They think I'm nuts. I think they're nuts,

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Speaker 1: but it works. You know, they're slabs, they really are.

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Speaker 1: I'm compulsive and they're a little slobby with the way

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Speaker 1: it's love them to death, but I knew, I knew,

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Speaker 1: but it works. Okay, So in this app episode of

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Speaker 1: We're calling Meet the Parents. This episode of Meet the

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Speaker 1: Parents of works for us. I want to actually honor

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Speaker 1: Roger's parents who are very sadly no longer with us,

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Speaker 1: Marilyn and Marvin Berman. So if it's okay, honey, I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you a few questions about your mom

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Speaker 1: and dad because I obviously knew them very well, but

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Speaker 1: not many people. You know, it's before social media, so

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Speaker 1: not many people have seen your parents or heard about

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Speaker 1: it's cool, I ask you a few questions. You certainly

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Speaker 1: are Oh where don my sleeve? Baby? Yeah? You do

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Speaker 1: for better for us? Okay, I'm open for business. Oh God,

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Speaker 1: when you think back on your childhood, how do you

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Speaker 1: remember your parents? What were they like? So I guess

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Speaker 1: I'll start with my mom. So my mom was more

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Speaker 1: interesting Rachel and I have been together for thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Her parents are still together. My parents were together. I

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Speaker 1: my dad So going back to my earlier statement where

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Speaker 1: can't see, she's smirking. But anyway, long story short, my

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Speaker 1: But I do remember distinctly my dad, you know, took

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Speaker 1: I think that I'm trying to take from my dad.

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Speaker 1: I do have a lot of my Like my dad

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Speaker 1: about I would say that's one of the things you

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Speaker 1: I get that from my dad for sure, And I

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Speaker 1: my frustrated craziness potentially from my dad that we're working on.

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Speaker 1: Lack of patience. Yeah, but ultimately I would say a

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Speaker 1: great childhood, great, growing up, very idelic. He had great friends.

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Speaker 1: we were always wrong. I was like the baby boy.

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Speaker 1: My dad got a job there. My dad was a pharmacist,

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Speaker 1: just never got mad at your mother and no one

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Speaker 1: He was? Yeah, he was. That's that's the thing. My

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Speaker 1: dad could drive me crazy because he's just so annoying.

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Speaker 1: Um that I try not to be that way because

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Speaker 1: I know how he is annoying. But anyway, Uh, he

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Speaker 1: Our guests are the reason I live and breathe because

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Speaker 1: they are the very people who are kind enough to

437
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Speaker 1: bring me into this world and give me life. They

438
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: are the most loving, supportive and only couple I know

439
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: who have been together longer than Roger and I. I

440
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: am talking about drumroll Please my parents, who as Leslie

441
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: and Ron Rosen's Wige Walter to the show known as

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Speaker 1: Mimi and Papa or Less and Ron or Memi and

443
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Speaker 1: Papa as my kids call them, because my mom didn't

444
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Speaker 1: want to be called grandma, and so Mimi is what

445
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: came out of that. They are here for visiting us

446
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: this weekend after fifteen months apart, and they have the

447
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Speaker 1: most incredible relationship story that I wanted to make sure

448
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: they shared on our podcast. So welcome to works for us,

449
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: Mom and Dad. It's nice to be here, that's for sure.

450
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: I just want everyone to know I have not prep

451
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: them at all, so they have no idea what we'll

452
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: be talking about, because I believe Roger and I believe

453
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: no prep should ever happen with these interviews because we

454
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: like it to be organic. So usually Mom and Dad,

455
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: we ask we start with everybody sort of how they met,

456
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: how it began. I'm pretty sure you both remember. I

457
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: want to hear about you guys in the short because

458
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: this was fifty five years ago. But I do think

459
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: it would be an interesting story that people know that

460
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: little fun fact about Mom when you guys met, and

461
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Speaker 1: let's see if we can find any parallels between their

462
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: relationship and ours. Oh, that'd be interesting. So briefly, tell

463
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: us the highlight of how you met and the low

464
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: light perhaps. Well, I'll start off simply by saying, yes,

465
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 1: that my wife of fifty five years has was always

466
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: about to marry somebody. She had boyfriends from the get go,

467
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: most of them I know only by older photographs and

468
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, love letters and stuff like that that I've

469
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: read over the years. But she was one of those

470
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: women that was always had a guy, always was about

471
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Speaker 1: to get to get married. I, on the other hand,

472
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: was very very happy to be single and U and

473
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Speaker 1: in my era, met and got married at a much

474
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Speaker 1: older age than most people did at that time. During

475
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: those days, everybody got married between twenty and twenty two,

476
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: and I was twenty eight when I finally did it

477
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: and lasted fifty five years, same age I got married. Story,

478
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: So I will hand it over to Leslie so she

479
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: can tell you all of the different people. Well, I

480
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: don't know that we want to have people, but how

481
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: but how we got to the how we got to

482
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: the meeting. When I graduated from college, I came home

483
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: from California with my bat to be fiancee to meet

484
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: my parents. When I came home, I received a phone

485
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: call from one of my best friends and one of

486
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: Ron's best friends, and they lived right nearby, and a

487
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: few days after I returned, I went to see them.

488
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen them in about fifteen years and they

489
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: had just had a baby, and we spent the evening together.

490
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: We reminisced, we caught up. It was great. And as

491
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: I was leaving, Larry, Ronnie's best friend said to his wife,

492
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't Leslie love to meet my best friend Ronnie? And

493
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: I said, I'm about to get married with a man

494
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: I met in college at college and I brought him

495
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: home to meet my parents. I'm really not interested. Long

496
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: story short, fast forward. He took my number. He called

497
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: my house for about a month and spoke to my

498
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: sister almost every couple of days for a month, and

499
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: my sister realized. My sister thought he was terrific. And

500
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: I said, that sounds fabulous. Why don't you go out

501
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: with him? So my sister said okay, And she said

502
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: to him, if you don't go out with my sister,

503
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: do you have a brother, And he said, I do

504
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: have a brother, but I still would like to meet

505
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: your sister. Long story short. We had a date. I

506
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: was actually with my fiancee in New York and we

507
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: met in the lobby of the hotel that he was

508
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: staying in in New York, and Ronnie came to pick

509
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: me up for a date and we were going out

510
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Speaker 1: to the Village Hip Bagel for dinner, and then the

511
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: premise and to the premise where Ronnie was planning to

512
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Speaker 1: meet Louise Lasser, who was Mary Hartman Mary Hartman Woody

513
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: Allen's girlfriend, and so I was a shill for Louise

514
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: Lass and he was nobody because we didn't care. So

515
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: we had this lovely date and I called my mother

516
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: and I said, Mom, I'm not going to come home tonight.

517
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay at my coworkers apartment in New

518
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: York because it's too far. And she said, what do

519
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: you mean, You're not coming home. I said, I'm not

520
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: coming home. She said. I said, Mom, I've been away

521
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: for a year and a half, right, and I'm not

522
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: coming home tonight. And she said okay. And we had

523
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: a date and we had a great time. And then

524
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: a few days later, I'm not sure of the time frame.

525
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: At this point, Ronnie called me and said, would you

526
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Speaker 1: like to go out again? I said, I would love to,

527
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: but I'm getting married January seventh, And he said, how

528
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: could that be, I said, I told you. He said, well,

529
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: let's get together one more time to say goodbye. Very smart, Ronald,

530
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm a peddler. We meet at a friend's apartment in

531
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: also not as a home wrecker. I'm not gonna get

532
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: We meet at a friend's apartment for a farewell, and

533
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: I can take it from there. Hunt those famous lives. Well,

534
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: not if it's inappropriate. No, so I do have to

535
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: say that on a podcast. You can't see my lovely wife.

536
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: But she was as lovelier as lovely then as she

537
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: is now, what even lovelier and younger. And we were

538
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: sitting here, we'll be going back and forth, and I'm saying,

539
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: it's a little crazy. We just got to know each other.

540
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, give it a chance. And I said

541
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: something about I love the way the sun reflects off

542
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: the tip of your nose. Oh really, yeah, that's what

543
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: did it? That's horrible. I actually magical. You never said that.

544
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: I never had to see. And then I said, then

545
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: I said, why do we just why don't we just

546
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: take the gamble? And it was double entendre gmbol going

547
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: through the was and a gamble on what will happen?

548
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: A gamble will be estralla. In the olden times, people

549
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: might have used that word in pre nineteen hundreds, right,

550
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: and in bridget and it's called promenade. Yes, and uh,

551
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: she said, I guess so, and that was it. No,

552
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't it? Well that complicated. And then you know,

553
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: then for a period of time she was weekending every

554
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: other weekend and yeah, yeah, just deciding which man would

555
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: curry her favor. Yeah, and tell him how it happened. Okay,

556
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: so in February, the middle of February of that year.

557
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: Year was nineteen sixty four, okay, right, no, it's sixty five.

558
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: And again, those of you who can't see my mom,

559
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: she was she is still gorgeous, but she was beautiful, beautiful.

560
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: It was I was a pretty good looking guy, so

561
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: you still are hands I was not really tresh. So really,

562
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: he invites me to go to Vermont for a ski weekend.

563
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: We drive to Vermont in a convertible in the middle

564
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: of February. Could you imagine I would never be doing

565
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: that now, and with the top down to the weekend,

566
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: he gets me a lesson with stein ericson Ericson. Wow.

567
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: He takes me into the ski shop, and all the

568
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: way up he picks out my ski boots, he laces

569
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: them up for about an hour, brings me to the

570
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: spot where Stein Ericsson is supposed to pick me up.

571
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: And I was myself and he did, and he did,

572
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: and he leaves me there waiting for my lesson. I'm

573
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: standing there with my poles and my skis, and he

574
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: puts me on this little plateau and he leaves and

575
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: he says goodbye, have a great lesson with stein and

576
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: I say, have a great ski And I'm standing there

577
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: and this huge gust of wind comes along and I

578
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: happen to be standing on ice, but he didn't know it,

579
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: and it blows me to the edge of a cliff, backwards,

580
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: to the edge of a cliff where I didn't know

581
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: how to start to stop those things. So all I

582
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: did was I said, I don't know what's going to happen,

583
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: but I'm going over this cliff. So I throw myself

584
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: on the ground. Stein Ericson appears to pick me up,

585
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: and I say, can you can you take me back

586
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: to the lodge where I can take off my skis

587
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: and my poles, and thank you so much. We're happy

588
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: to pay for the lesson, but I'm never going. But

589
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: we did have a great weekend. We stayed at this

590
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: little inn and we're having breakfast one morning this is

591
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: and the person next to me says, oh, Missus Rosenswoy,

592
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: can you pass the cereal? Oh, Missus rosenswayge And I'm

593
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: sitting there and Ronnie goes like this, He goes, Missus

594
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: Rosensway passed the cereal. So I said, oh, yes, there.

595
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: We had no clue, no clue, so I said, yes,

596
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Missus Rose. It was the first time I ever we

597
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: spent had a lovely weekend. We really did. And we

598
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: then started I started doing double double duty, couldn't trying

599
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: to make up my mind, which took about six months

600
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: something like that. Whatever. Round about summer we go to

601
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: Fire Island. Ronnie takes a share in a sharehouse with

602
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: all his friends and many others including Spitzers and other friends.

603
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: And we're still their best friend today. Yes, they we

604
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: have eight couples and a share house in Fire Island,

605
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: and we spent the summer, you know. And I was

606
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: saying there and then I got a you know or

607
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: no way? Before that, actually Ronnie gave me an I

608
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to work. But I think

609
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: you need to make up your mind. And you know,

610
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: I went through the process history. I'm just gonna say

611
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: you made a good choice. I'm just gonna say, well,

612
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: I can only tell you that my mother lost twenty

613
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: five pounds thinking that I was going to marry the

614
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: person from California because she pictured me living on orange

615
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: crates and no furniture for the rest of my life.

616
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: That was not her way. Should we should add that, Leslie.

617
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: We were both brought up in New York and we

618
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: went to the kind of city college system. I went

619
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: to City College. She went to Hunter College. She was

620
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: going up with somebody else and Hunter College and another person.

621
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: Then she broke up with that person and she went

622
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: up to cal Berkeley, and there she met an entirely

623
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: different group of people. It was right in the mid

624
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four. It was the middle of the hippie movement.

625
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: It was free speech speech, the free speech movement, hippies

626
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. Hey j Ashbury, Right,

627
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: Hey Dashbury? Well that and so that was that was

628
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: the life that she was living. And I was academic. Yeah,

629
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: she would have been married marrying into So that was

630
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: like a little My mother had problems with that. The

631
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: reason I ended up having to come back is because

632
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: my father was watching TV and swow me getting pulled

633
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: off in a Patty wagon at one of my protests,

634
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: and he said to me get the home because I

635
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: can't curse some podcasts at the home. But you did graduate.

636
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: I did graduate and graduate, so you finally got engaged

637
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: and you got never got engaged. Okay, so you got married.

638
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: So what was so? You never got a ring? I

639
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: got a ring, returned it. It came from Harry Winston.

640
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: He bought me a two caffrey dollar. He had went

641
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: to this ring pretty much. He got her a Harry

642
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: Winston diamond ring with every dollar he had and gave

643
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: it to her. But I didn't like diamonds with first

644
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: or anything at that time. Well change the manner born

645
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: For those who were listening, that changed a lot over

646
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: the fifty I didn't feel felt when I was riding

647
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: on the bus. She was a teacher I used to

648
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: teach after radio for Europe. I used to teach anse

649
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: Bronx and I had this thing on my finger and

650
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: felt really weird. So I said, let's just give it

651
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: back and get it later on sometime, because right now

652
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: it's not so. I think I got her a diamond pin.

653
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: You got me a pin, diamond pin, just to have

654
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: something beause now Pamela's ears and Sophie's ears. That's cool. Yeah, yeah,

655
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: that was that was that? So? So can I ask

656
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: you another question? The person you were supposed to marry,

657
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: the fiance, did he give you a ring? No? Not

658
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: not at the time because I hadn't accepted it was

659
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: an official came out to meet the family. Well, thank god,

660
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: because if he had handed your ring and then you said, now,

661
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: that would have been way work. I was wondering what

662
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: happened to you give it back? Yeah? All right, moving

663
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: right along. So wedding. Where was the wedding? Oh my god,

664
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: my mom hated this wedding, laughing, ra, this is what

665
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: I wanted, and I'll tell you what I had. We

666
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: just we married. We got married because it was it

667
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: was It wasn't but it was yet. Okay, there was

668
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: a precursor. Mom. I just want a champagne brunch on

669
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: a Sunday at the pier. This is my mom to

670
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: her mom. And we also boke about doing something in

671
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: Fire Island on the beach with you know, with some

672
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: friends wedding. No, no way was his family hearing of it.

673
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: They wanted the wedding of the weddings every person they

674
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: ever knew, wherever it was. And guess what we had

675
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it exists anymore, was something

676
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: called the Huntington town House, which was a bridal factory.

677
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: And we every morning, but we got married on Thanksgiving

678
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: because that was we wanted to get married in a hurry,

679
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: not for any particular reason, but we wanted it over

680
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: and we got married on Thanksgiving Day. We had three

681
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: hundred guests. No way, yes, way, and we had I had.

682
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: It was in a factory, and there were eight weddings

683
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: that day. And when they announced the wedding, they invited

684
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: people to the wedding of mister and missus Rowland Rosenwig.

685
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: Please enter the chapel. Okay, then correct name, Ronald, then

686
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: the same number of letters. The only thing that I

687
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: ever wanted, if I was having that kind of a

688
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: wedding was I had a beautiful gown by someone named Skazi. Yes,

689
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, and I have. It's really it was

690
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: a beautiful, a beautiful dress. And I didn't expect anything

691
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: different now, But I didn't know anything, you know. It

692
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: was just what I liked. It was this beautiful gown

693
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: and it wasn't frewy. It was just very tun It

694
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: was a column with a fish. It was yeah, and

695
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: it had a long sleeve thing that went over it

696
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: which you could take off. But I wanted a very

697
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: dramatic veil, very fortuitous. Five layers of tool and two

698
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: blushers and my best friend, who introduce me as the

699
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: Here comes the bride, Here comes the bride. My friend

700
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: comes over to kiss me good luck, with a cigarette

701
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: in her hand. Carol, Carol. First, all of a sudden,

702
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm with my father. Here comes the bride. Flames, flames, flames,

703
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: What to do? Father panicking? I'm getting whiter by the many,

704
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: and he's holding me up and the veil is burning.

705
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: So he my father takes the two layers, the two blushers,

706
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: and Anna Anna one other layer, rips them off from

707
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: the puts the fire out, the fire out, and tears

708
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: or three layers didn't even get down the aisle yet,

709
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 1: and I'm already and trying flames, Okay, down the aisle.

710
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: Ronnie's parents are carrying him I'm sorry. Instead of instead

711
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: of father of the bride, it was fire fire, bride

712
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: on fire, right on, right on fire, right, we get down.

713
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 1: Ronnie wouldn't let him. I wanted his father to come

714
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: out of the rabbi study and to carry him to

715
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: come out of the study, and his father walked. No.

716
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: They both had to carry him down the aisle. It's

717
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: a long list of things. This sounds very similar to

718
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: carry him. Was he wasted already? Oh dad, No? No,

719
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: carry meaning his mother and father married him instead of

720
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: him coming and greeting. Got it? Which was I thought

721
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: I had I had my style to everybody else and

722
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: every so so talking. So that's the point. And as

723
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: we get up, because this is a factory rabbi who

724
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: nothing about is we never had an interview with him.

725
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no, But I'll just tell how

726
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: it was from my standpoint. So the thing with multi

727
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: vitamins for me is I've always struggled with them because

728
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't get enough nutrients from my food,

729
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: and I've always believed in taking vitamins and supplementing what

730
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: your body needs. That said, it's been a struggle as

731
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: an adult because as a kid, I just took the

732
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: chewballs and it was super easy, and I took one

733
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: a day, and then as I became an adult, it

734
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: just became the constant task of trying to find a

735
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: really good one without fillers and anything bad in it.

736
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: But all of them were either so big and hard

737
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: for me to swallow, so I dreaded taking them and

738
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: never did, or you had to take four to six

739
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: of them a day to get the dosage, and they

740
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: were huge, and they left a terrible taste in my mouth,

741
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: and really, honestly, all I got was kind of nauseous

742
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: and didn't want to take my vitamins, So that's a

743
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: little bit counterproductive, I think. Then I discovered ritual, and

744
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: ritual is just taking two a day, which is life changing.

745
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: They're small, and they taste good, they have a little

746
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: bit of a minty flavor, and you only have to

747
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: take two and their time release, so I don't get nauseous.

748
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: You'll only take two. I do one in the morning

749
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: at one at night, and I never forget to take them.

750
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: So that's really mission accomplished. And I've really become obsessed

751
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: with ritual, and I believe that ritual is truly reimagined

752
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: multi vitamins, and I think that everyone should really give

753
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: them a try. Multi vitamins should really contain all the

754
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: key nutrients that your body can actually use without all

755
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: of the fillers and the extras that you actually don't

756
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,280
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757
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,240
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758
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,320
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759
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: two daily pills because trust me, that makes a difference

760
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,880
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761
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,120
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762
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765
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: your ritual today. So I wasn't through any of this

766
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: because I was waiting just to go and walk down

767
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: the aisleway. My mother and father right taking us down,

768
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: and all I prayed because there were eight people, eight

769
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: weddings going on though when they lifted the veil it

770
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: would be Leslie. You didn't know. I walked into the

771
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: lobby of this place, there were bride's walking. It really was.

772
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: It was. It was the opposite of a romantic wedding.

773
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: So that was thank god. When I saw that that

774
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: they like look around and I said, okay, I got

775
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: the right one. Then the robbi begot to speak and

776
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: the first thing he said was marriage just like a

777
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: ship at sea, a little rocky, a little stormy. I

778
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: said to Ronnie, are you going to throw up? Get

779
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: me out of here? I did, I did, I could

780
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: so measure. I was so some day. You didn't even

781
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: make this. It was like right out of the can.

782
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: And we didn't even know our name. I mean, it

783
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: is so sad, so sad, and it was in you know,

784
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: and it was really well. And then we had in

785
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: those days, we had something called reception line. So they

786
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: put my veils what were left of them, over a

787
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: chair because they were so long. And as we I'm

788
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: shaking hands, one of the waiters decide, this chair doesn't

789
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: belong here. I'll just take the chair with me and

790
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: the rest of my veil. So you could not make

791
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: you could not make this up. Really, you could not

792
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: make this up. Okay, So wait, so story crazy wedding.

793
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: Yes we do you get married? Laugh about the on

794
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: Turkey Day with Rubber Turkey, literally three hundred people gave

795
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: up family dinner and the turkey literally bounced off the plate.

796
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: That's the that was. For those of you that don't

797
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: know my mother was you don't, that is her living.

798
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: That is her version of hell like actual health. And

799
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: where where do we go from here? Okay? So you

800
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: both have mentioned to me over the years, to Roger

801
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: and I both that for your day, you had children

802
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: very late. So my question is did you always know

803
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: that you would have kids or is that a decision

804
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: that came later? And I know part of it, but

805
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: I think, as Roger would say, this could be another

806
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: parallel where you may have had to nudge mom a

807
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. Is that true? And if so, tell

808
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: me that the truth. Did you always know? You know what?

809
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: I would say that we just never really. It wasn't

810
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: a really heavy topic of conversation, like we're getting married

811
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: to have children? Right? Well, you know but in those

812
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: days everyone got married to have children, yes, and I yeah,

813
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: and I was. I was assumed we would have children,

814
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: right she was les. He was take her own time

815
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: to decide whether she was or not, you know, so,

816
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: and when she was that and would you say that

817
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: was true? Yes, yes, that was it? And um, so

818
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: how long did you have wait to have children? Long?

819
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: Those days? Long long for three years for Pamela three

820
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: years twenty six. Yeah, I was twenty eight when you

821
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: had Pamela, twenty six. She was in one of my

822
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: twenty sixth birthday. I thought you had me at thirty,

823
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't No, he was thirty, got it? Thirty one? Actually

824
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: I was. Pamela was born on twenty before. Yeah, but

825
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: one week before my thirty first birthday, got it, which

826
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: is old in those days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And

827
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: then Rachel three years later. I was the most beautiful

828
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: woman in the world, born three years later, September first,

829
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: September one, September one, nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety one,

830
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: thirteen years later. I waited a really long time, and

831
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: you just wanted a new baby all over our guest.

832
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: The advantage of the things you can edit. The advantage

833
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: of this thing is the Google machine that nobody can

834
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: lie about anything, So very very very interesting. But I

835
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: think one of the things that I definitely want to ask,

836
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: because I think this is something that Roger and I

837
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: get asked a lot, is that, I guess the question is,

838
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of know because I've lived with

839
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: you most of my life, But how do you make

840
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: sure that you get a space from one another, that

841
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: you get like breathing time, Because knowing you my entire life,

842
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: there is this amazing ability. And something people always say

843
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: to Roger and I is that we bicker, like I

844
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: always say, we're a little like Lucy and Ricky, you know,

845
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: but our recovery time is really quick. It's like we'll

846
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: say something, we'll yell at each other and then it's like, Okay,

847
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: what do you want to eat? And I think for you,

848
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: I've always noticed that you have I always say one

849
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: of the secrets of your relationship for you guys is

850
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: that you both have your own lives, but you're together lives,

851
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: but you can't live without each other. But you really

852
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: do have your own things, which I think is so important.

853
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: But how do you give each other space? I mean,

854
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: obviously Mom will just say get out, leave the room now.

855
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm just actually just to be segue on what Rachel says.

856
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: Really easy initially because Daddy started two companies right and

857
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: when he started he worked, he was gone and traveling,

858
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: and then they decided he the partners decided Daddy would

859
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: be the ultimately the president and CEO, and that he

860
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: would be so he did all the international sales. And

861
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: that's when I started to go with him, and he

862
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: was gone, you know, when I wasn't with him, he

863
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: was gone a lot, a lot, a lot. So we

864
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: didn't have any space issues at that point, right, And

865
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: I always had, you know, some sort of a business

866
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: of someone right, always right, my whole life. And then

867
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: we became you know serious art collector is very barely on,

868
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: which like a huge chunk of our life, which also

869
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, gave us a huge bond. Right. I was

870
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: going to say that, I feel like that was a

871
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: thing you did together. Right, also traveled together. Yeah, and

872
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: I we love to travel, Right, What has been your

873
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: favorite trip? Well, well, I want to stay in space

874
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: for a second. So because I think it's important. I

875
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: think it's important when you're together for fifty five years

876
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: that you know when you need a loan time. Yeah,

877
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: especially answered just slightly different of access. Is one of

878
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: the reasons I didn't get married early on is you know,

879
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: the you know, the women that I met or in

880
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: New York growing up, we're all very similar, right, and

881
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: they were kind of all attached, and a lot of

882
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: them wanted to get married, you know, that was their thing,

883
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: and I wanted somebody different. I always said that, I

884
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: think that I might have never met or married Mom

885
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: if if she hadn't gone to California for a year

886
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: and a half, right, because that made her a very

887
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: very different kind of a person of different interests, different attitudes,

888
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, at that at that time. So I always

889
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: was attracted to somebody that was independent, right, And I

890
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: think that that both of us did a lot to

891
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: raising you and your sister to be independent. So I

892
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: always believed in that a woman should be independ didn't

893
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: want somebody that was dependent on me, right, I wanted

894
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: somebody that could do her own thing, had her own thing,

895
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: and that I could do my own thing so I

896
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: could I could move around and do something else. So

897
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: to me, it was all it was very important. And

898
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: then you know she said I would when well we

899
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: got married about three years later, at the same that

900
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: same week that Pamela was born, I started my first

901
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: comame day. Yeah, well the same day, let's just sign

902
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: the documents. Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right,

903
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: he did say, I have to put money in the

904
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: meter and I'm leaving. I bought I bought cigars to

905
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: give to the guys I worked with, and then I

906
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: told the company that I was leaving and that was

907
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: that was it. And then so the next you know,

908
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: a week, within a week of Pamela being born, I was,

909
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, on an entrepreneurial direction that that lasted for

910
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: the rest of my life in different different forms. So

911
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: I was independent. And as an example of that, um

912
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: we decided to start a company Unlesslie became pregnant with

913
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: our first first child, and I had to ask, I said,

914
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: do you feel if this thing doesn't work, we probably

915
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: don't have any money. We didn't have any money, then

916
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: we'd have a more risk and we'd also probably couldn't

917
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: stay in New York, New Jersey because the nature of

918
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: what I was doing, I would have gone to Arizona

919
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: or La or San Francisco or something like that. And

920
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: I said, how do you feel about that? And she said,

921
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: go for it. So that was the thing. So, so,

922
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, having somebody who was independent and a risk

923
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: taker and a risk taker and a risk take exactly right.

924
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: It's smart. It's smart. To me, you know, smart was

925
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: incredibly important. Yeah, so it was and is so so

926
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: those are you know, those are kind of all you

927
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: know from my standpoint that way. But I do think

928
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: there's a comfort level in when I think it's a

929
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: big thing in any successful relationship to be able to

930
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: say I need to be alone, I need me time,

931
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: I need you need to leave, like I just need

932
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: a minute. But what happens is as you get more

933
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: into the relationship, that feeling is so instinctual. Right In

934
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: other words, when I take a walk at when I'm

935
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: walking out of he's sitting at the table, the dinner table,

936
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm saying, see you, you know whatever

937
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: if we're not you know, or he's just what, you know,

938
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: what are we doing tonight? I mean that's all changed

939
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: over the last years. But I'll say, you know, when

940
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: I need to be in my place, it's his place

941
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: and no discussion, right. I mean, he wants me to

942
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: watch movies with him all the time. Sometimes I do.

943
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's right, but there's no issue with that because

944
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: you love sports. Never she never became a serious Mets fan,

945
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: became a serious Giants in our early parts. She was

946
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: always about to get married. I think it's going to

947
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: marry them. That I was very serious with a New

948
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: York Giant football player, Steve Farlow was his name? Actually, Okay,

949
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: what is I actually don't know the answer to this,

950
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: And if it's really gnarly, then maybe don't tell me.

951
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: I have to pretend you're not my parents. But what

952
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: is the absolute biggest fight you've ever been in? Usually

953
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: over over one of you, your sister and you usually

954
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: and sometimes of money thing money. We've had two money issues,

955
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: you know where I have suggested that you know, usually

956
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: in the selling of stock in the company, about changing

957
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: your life. Heard this story before, well, it was it

958
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: was the most roger honestly, you know. The answer is

959
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: what you have to learn is your wife is always

960
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: right in your wrong. The sooner you learn that, the

961
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: sooner you learned that the daddy. Okay, are you kidding? Man?

962
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: I learned that a long time ago. Why And by

963
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: the way, the other thing I was going to say

964
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: is it's obvious why they're still together because Ronnie does

965
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: everything that was he says only if he doesn't want to. Yes.

966
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: By the way, it's very similar and parallel. That's what

967
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: I always say to you, I give you eighty percent

968
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: because I don't care about eighty percent. Twenty percent I

969
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: care with it, doesn't care, and I'm not asking. I

970
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: don't do big asks anymore. We were usually on the

971
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: same page. And you know, an example of it as

972
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: recently is let's say ten or fifteen years ago. Because

973
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,479
Speaker 1: I was always a huge music fan and jazz fan

974
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. And I met some

975
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 1: people that that went regularly to New Orleans for jazz

976
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: single guys. And one day talking he was married, married guy,

977
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: and he said, you know I do that, and I

978
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: as les you mind if I would go with I

979
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: go for five days, six days, go to the jazz

980
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: festial and talking and said she said, of all in

981
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: New Orleans called jas Fast, the annual jazz Fast Festival. Yes,

982
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: my eighty three year old dad still likes to do

983
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: miss last year. You miss last year because of COVID,

984
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: but otherwise, so I think that Leslie, you and Rachel

985
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: should have a lot more lone time and you should

986
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: teach her, teach her that you know the fact that

987
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: if I do want to go away with my friends,

988
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: say too vague, Well, but there's okay. But anyway, a

989
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: bit of a knockdown, drag down fight each time it happens.

990
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: So Les, thank you so much for your insight on

991
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: the show. Well, I have to I have to say

992
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm not alike totally. There's a lot of so many similarities,

993
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: many similarities, but there are many different Rager. You also

994
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: are a couple who works together, so it's a very

995
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: different division of responsibility. I mean I pretty much managed

996
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: everything in the family, and we had a lot of

997
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: a lot of separateness. I mean, my father traveled his

998
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: whole life. When my sister and I brought up an

999
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: eye really because my mother also worked full time, I

1000
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: was really the caretaker and you know, of my sister

1001
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: and the family, and I had a huge amount of

1002
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: responsibility from a really young age I'm going to say

1003
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: ten and my whole life, I was that person. So

1004
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: it was defined, you know, pretty much who I was.

1005
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't like a normal child. So I feel that

1006
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: as business partners, you are coming from a different place.

1007
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: But I do feel, well, this was before we were

1008
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: business partners. But keep going less, keep no I'm saying that,

1009
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: but you need you need to that's something that you

1010
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: you talk out, Ronnie. This is recent that he started

1011
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: trap you know recent more recently that even doing stuff

1012
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: on his own. But a couple of times he went

1013
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: on guy ski trips because he needed to do that

1014
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to go anymore. I hung it up,

1015
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: and you know, it's fine for me because what with

1016
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: all of you, As your life goes on, you develop

1017
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: a lot of interest. I mean I had tons of

1018
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: things that I would do. I would take some trips

1019
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: without him because of the timing and whatever. You know,

1020
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: as an independent person, you find your way and don't gave.

1021
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: You have a lot of responsibility now with a child,

1022
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: and my children were older, so I was able to

1023
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: do things. And I think that's where the art world

1024
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: came into because she could always very important. She was

1025
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: always you know, going to galleries and museums and doing

1026
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff, which which we would do together. But

1027
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: you can have a business as well. Had a business

1028
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: that you know to the arts. I came over the business.

1029
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: It was an art business, and you know we did.

1030
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: You know, I was always working in something I love.

1031
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: She was always doing something that was driven by passion. Yeah. Always.

1032
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: But the truth is they have a mutual respect for

1033
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: each other and that's why it works. Bottom line, I mean,

1034
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: I think an independent but together and I do think art.

1035
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: But I think also for all of our listeners, I

1036
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: think it's very important to know that my parents have

1037
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: always been way cooler than Roger and I, but they

1038
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: are way more I don't think they are way more active.

1039
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: They little known fact. I speak to my mom almost

1040
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: every night until almost three am, her time, when I'm

1041
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: dying to go to sleep, and they are very active.

1042
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: And I think you know, my dad's eighty three. Sorry Dad,

1043
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say my mom's age. She's not that,

1044
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: but she's close, not even a little close, A lot

1045
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: of years behind, fine but fine, but a lot of

1046
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: years true story. But I want to know what is

1047
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: your advice because I think it's very important to know

1048
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: because I think most of the people that we talk

1049
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: to are not your age and happily married after fifty

1050
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: five years. But what is your advice to couples who

1051
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: are like dreaming to have a lasting, forever relationship because

1052
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 1: people the reason we started works for us was because

1053
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: people marvel that we work together, we parent together, that

1054
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: we're together this long, and how much we still love

1055
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: each other. And so if you take thirty years and

1056
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:07,440
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Speaker 1: our own company? I definitely think it's the team, the

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Speaker 1: that's super gratifying. I totally agree. What would you say

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Speaker 1: is the worst part? Well, making sure you're actually hiring

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Speaker 1: the right people, that's the worst part about owning your

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Speaker 1: actually never do have a day off. Okay, so right,

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Speaker 1: we certainly have a dream team, but clearly you and

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Speaker 1: years and you do fifty five years, what's the secret?

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Speaker 1: Keep it interesting, keep it interesting. But I am always

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01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: on the next activiting. I'm always on the next thing

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Speaker 1: that we're doing. Don't get old and boring never, you know,

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Speaker 1: keep it interesting. And here's the newest one. Develop new

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Speaker 1: pathways in your brain. Because Sanjay grouped his book, the

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: old pathways start to close up. But if you're working

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Speaker 1: on new pathways, then they don't. You're less likely to

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Speaker 1: have brain issues, and you will be more vital and

1103
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: more stimulated and do all the things and you know

1104
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: in this world that are available to us to keep

1105
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: it interesting. So the example that I would give is

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01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: what she's not talking to you three in the morning.

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01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,959
Speaker 1: She's playing bridge right with a robot, right or because

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01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: those her friends are long gone sleep. But she found

1109
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: robots and and she loves to beat a robot, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that's you know, so it's competitive and it's stimulating

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01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. But we've always gone to

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Speaker 1: the theater. We've always read, We've always you know, read things,

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01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: read reviews. You devour the New York Times and theater. No,

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01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: you're the most cultured to people. I actually know. I've

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01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: never in my life. Yeah, I Roger and I are

1116
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: a heathen. No, but your kids will You'll be forced

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01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: to become that way because of your children. We used

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Speaker 1: to drag them to every museum, Yes, because they and

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Speaker 1: Rachel would go into a museum. She's so Jonathan VARASKI

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Speaker 1: exhibit with one of her friends and it was chattering man,

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01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: and um, she said to her. And there were a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of garbage cans and garbage pails. And Rachel said, see,

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: I told you even garbage pails work. Remember that. Yes,

1124
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: but but they we jammed it down their throat and listen,

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01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: the truth is. Is that why you won't go to

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Speaker 1: any galleries with me? Michel Proba? You know, and I

1127
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: will say, I'm not sure it was right. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Look at my house, I take all the hand me

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Speaker 1: down right. Yeah. Yeah, so you had in a different way,

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Speaker 1: and you have your creative way of doing things. But

1131
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, Pamelo is not that interested. So that kind

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Speaker 1: of you Luke is And yeah, I always say it's

1133
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: for I honestly think if I didn't work as hard

1134
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: as I did, I'd be a lot more immersed in it.

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01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: I just don't think I have a lot of brain left.

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01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: And I always say when I grow up, we're going

1137
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: to be really deep into art, you know. Yeah, well

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01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: I think it's I think for me, I'm such an

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01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: all or nothing person. I think when I when I'm ready,

1140
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Speaker 1: I'm going to. But then the real fun part of

1141
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: it was that we became very active collective with a

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01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: very very small budget and very little money. We're always

1143
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: paying things off, and we just loved it so much that,

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01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, we it just became such a passion and

1145
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: we met the most art people are so interesting and

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01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: they're just so wonderful as you've learned, you know, with

1147
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: your recent experience and that you know, people just really

1148
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: it's just a whole other world and anything. We also

1149
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: belong to something called Young Presidents, so we traveled extensively

1150
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: with them all over the world. So we had so

1151
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: his mom is, keep it interesting, don't get old and

1152
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: boring exactly, and try and don't be afraid to try

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01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: new things, kind of meet new people and yes, okay, dad,

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01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: what's your what's your? And I think also we've always

1155
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: had a very wide circle of friends, right, very wide. Yeah,

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01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: and so like keeping it to three hundred at our

1157
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: weddings eighty was a task I think they lost for it, right,

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01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: So I mean yeah, so, I mean that was you know,

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01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: that was also you know, part of it because we

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01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: had people who are friendly from neighborhoods, people friendly from traveling,

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01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: people friendly from your wipeobe than art world friends, right,

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01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: very social. Well you do too, you had to do,

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01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: but you at your wedding. Yeah, we have tons of friends.

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01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: I think for us, interestingly enough is you know, I

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01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: never really got the art bug, and I don't know

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01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: if I ever will, to be honest, um, but I

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01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: think the parallel for me and maybe Rachel even is

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Speaker 1: you know, we've been very involved in like startups and

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01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: investing in things like that, and for me meeting those

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01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: people is, you know, I guess they're I guess for

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01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: your you know, they're for you guys who are into

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Speaker 1: arts that they're creating like the next you know, what's

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01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: next in art? And for me, you know, especially tech

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01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: and whatever, it's like what they're creating, what's next in

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01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, technology or whatever, and that's what you know,

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I'm interested in that. So again, we

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01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have the money to put in all these startups,

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01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: but we've done it over a decade, and we with

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01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: the limited budget we've done very well, and I think

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: that's something we're continuing to do it. But if you

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01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: have a huge amount of opportunity to do that, I

1182
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: think the takeaway on we did with our own businesses.

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01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: We started two businesses and we had to raise a

1184
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: lot of money to do. But I think I think

1185
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: the takeaway and how to make a relationship last is

1186
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: keep it interesting, have your independence space and find something

1187
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: that you could do together. Find something together and keep

1188
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: a wide circle of friends because it keeps things from

1189
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: getting redundant, and travel if possible. It's different. Try to

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Speaker 1: leave some time for your family, yes, because they're the best.

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Speaker 1: And Okay, so this is our favorite part where we

1192
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Speaker 1: ask you guys five questions. It's like the newlywed game

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01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: and you have to answer it. Okay, Mom, who would

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01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: you cast in a movie to play Dad? I know

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01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: the answer? Oh, thank you. I knew that obviously, Dad.

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01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,959
Speaker 1: I know the answer to this because it's her twin.

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01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: But who would play Mom? Wells with the with the

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Speaker 1: Maltese that mom had and died at seventeen, Yes, the

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01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,839
Speaker 1: love the lovely Liz Taylor, who was a clone for Leslie.

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01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: Yes for sure. Okay, baby, you want to pick, except

1201
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: she had eight husbands that she actually did marry eight people.

1202
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: She really did like the diamonds. Okay, last question, let's

1203
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 1: see which question we already know? The hangover one. Who's

1204
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: likely to be more hungover after a night? That's a

1205
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: silly dad. Well, because wife doesn't drink, right, wife drinks

1206
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: like this? Wife half a glass of wine for the night.

1207
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: Actually it's cranberry juice and sparkling water. Switched not when

1208
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: I married. I always really was a drinker when we

1209
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: were eaters. Well, you're still eaters, all right. I think

1210
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna goodies. I think I'm I'm gonna go with

1211
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: only because there's such foodies. Last meal you mean what

1212
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: will be my last? What were Ronnie's meal? Oh? Oh,

1213
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: his last meal? I think be fuagra. I was going

1214
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: to say that fuagra and some kind of brains, sweetbreads,

1215
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: sweet birds, sweetbreads. This is meeting what do you hannibal elector?

1216
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: Now he loves he loves uh, he loves carnivore. That's now,

1217
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: he just loves those things, and he loves all kinds

1218
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: of exotic with a wonderful wine with it, with a

1219
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: fabulous bottle of wine okay, and a gorgeous dessert, and

1220
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: it would probably be do you want to know where

1221
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,799
Speaker 1: it would be? It would be in Italy or France?

1222
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: Right for sure? Right? And probably if we could pick

1223
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: it for dessert, and a Tarta Towan for dessert. Okay,

1224
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: you know what the good news is, I would have

1225
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: guessed that. I would have guessed that I even think

1226
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: I know moms, So I don't even know mom, but

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01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: I might I do. Well, whatever it is that you're

1228
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna say, it's wrong, so not go for Ronnie. Let's

1229
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: take my list meal. Give a try. Dad. If you

1230
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 1: don't know what he's never going to get it, well,

1231
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: it's probably changed. Now, figure out what it would have been. Yeah,

1232
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 1: it would have been you know, um, can I guess? Yeah?

1233
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: All right, Dad, something I'm gonna go with some caveat

1234
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: to start. I forgot ken and the entree would be duck.

1235
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: I think, like a really beautiful duck, or or the

1236
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: most perfect veal chops she could ever have, and it

1237
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: has to be like perfectly cooked because if it's not,

1238
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: she won't even bite it, and it's gonna be juicy

1239
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: and rare, or she says, doctor is your favorite? Mom?

1240
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: You love or really or frogs legs on Dan's on

1241
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:53,480
Speaker 1: the beach and sounds. What are those things that stop

1242
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: shell crabs? She loves? I love frog legs. Wow, this

1243
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: is so by the way, I'm just so everybody's clear.

1244
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: My last meal very different strawberries, playing yogurt, and possibly

1245
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: a delicious piece of salmon. So I have one final question. Okay,

1246
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if they're gonna answer this, but

1247
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: it's a really serious question. Which daughter do you like better?

1248
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: I knew you're going to ask me that I knew

1249
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: you were. I said I was going to stay at

1250
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: the minute before it even came out. My mom, tell

1251
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: them what you told me my entire life growing up.

1252
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: Do you remember this much? She said to me every

1253
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 1: night before bed. Nope, you are my favorite youngest child.

1254
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: You are my favorite baby daughter. You are my favorite

1255
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: youngest child. And I used to for that split second,

1256
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I'm the favorite, but it was

1257
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: the youngest and there's only one. So I say the

1258
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: same thing to my grandchildren. Of course, I say that

1259
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: Lukey's my favorite oldest grandson. I mean, and I tell

1260
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,839
Speaker 1: Scholet the same thing. I mean, they're all my favorites,

1261
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: and Sophie's your favorite grandall that's bad, I tell her

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Speaker 1: all the time, because there's only one granddaughter. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I never had favorites because I always grew up with

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Speaker 1: a family where they were boys. You have. It's impossible

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01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: to tell so special in their own ways. And it's

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: getting even more so even you know, not having seen

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Speaker 1: them for fifteen months until today because of the pandemic

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Speaker 1: at the see the way they're developing and how they

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Speaker 1: are just absolutely delicious and brilliant and beautiful and different.

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Speaker 1: One's unique and it's special. I tell everybody that that

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Speaker 1: you know, you have one kid, you have, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a second kid. You think they're going to be

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01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: just like the first one. Nothing, and they're nothing. I

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01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: don't know anybody, even among our friends, with two kids

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01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: or three kids with the same everybody's individual. So one

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Speaker 1: takes one takeaway for our listeners. Fifty five years partying,

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01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: party words, happy wife, happy life. That for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that I always say, but no, I think

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01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: it's really more what we said. Keep it in, keep

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01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: it interesting, you know. I mean we're talking about as

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: soon as the pandemic was our next trip going to

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01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: be He already tried to book Bora, Bora and Australia,

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01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: New Zealand. And we still want to go. We still

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01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: want to go to Morocco. That we haven't been too,

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01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: so funny. Rachel didn't get that bug from you. Yeah,

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01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: she gets she has the home body bug. Yeah, I

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01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: think the baby's a homebody. I think baby's like wants

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01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: to stay in the womb. I don't know. I mean Lukey,

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01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: our oldest grandson. He loves to move. He's still he's

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: done something, but he's done something, not that life that

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01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: I've never He's not the baby. Sophie could take it

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01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 1: or leave it. Yeah, yeah, so far. Yeah. Interesting, she's happier,

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01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's just funnier. Pamel is

1294
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: a mover in a shaker. I think Skyler will the world.

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01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: I think sky will see everything. I'm sure that. Yeah,

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: we just want to make Yeah, you guys are going

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01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: to be around. Let's do it. You know, ramp, It

1298
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: might have to have a ramp, but it's okay. It

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how you get there, as long as you

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01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: get there. Yes, well, thanks for being with us. We

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01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: love you. This was such a cheat for us, and

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01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: we know you guys have magic fairy dust in your relationship,

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01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: so we hope we got some of that. I think

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01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: we're okayoo, Well that was interesting, but you got about

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01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: it was like your mom even to this day, she's like,

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01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was hot running one to me. I

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01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: mean she's like giving it like you know pretty. My

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01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: mom was not that she's not now, But my mom,

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01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 1: first of all was so beautiful and so chic. Mom.

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01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, your mom first of all is very pretty,

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01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: and she was obviously, yeah, he was gorgeous, but it

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01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: wasn't even that. My dad was like clearly and still

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01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: is whipped. But can I tell you why? What I

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01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: think is so interesting? And it was the first time

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01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: I ever heard my dad say it. The thing is like,

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01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: my dad is such this like nice, sweet, easy patience

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01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: of a saint guy. But as you know and the

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01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: people that know him, he's like this rocket scientist, brilliant guy.

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01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: But what's so interesting? And I think fell in love

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01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: with your mom's minds. But that's I thought he was

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01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: so shallow and superficial. No, my dad is not the

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01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 1: guy that likes the generically beautiful girl that like every

1323
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: guy is falling for it. That's not my naither, which

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01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 1: I think was really amazing about my parents, and after

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 1: our discussion with them, was the most impressive to me

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: and a big light bulb for me. And what I

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01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: find so interesting is that I've known my parents obviously

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: my whole life, and yet I still continue to learn

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: new things about them every day. Is that even in

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01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: a time when their friends were basically graduating high school

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: and getting married and having kids and like becoming these

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01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, becoming housewives and the like, my mom and

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01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: dad really I think found each other because they my

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01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: dad fell in love with my mom for her mind,

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01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: her ambition, her like thirst for life and culture and

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01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: like living a different life than what was it. Your

1337
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: mom was always different, by the way, again going back

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: to it, and I think maybe we have a little

1339
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: of that streak in it. Like your mom went to Berkeley, right,

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01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,839
Speaker 1: you know, which is back then was very she couldn't

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01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: afford it. She worked three jobs, she worked forward. And

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing is, you know your mom

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01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: was you know, I knew this already, but you know

1344
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: your mom was engaged to someone else and your dad

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01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: pursued her. And you know, I think that maybe may

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01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: have been also some of the appeals you know, your dad,

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01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: it sounded like your dad wasn't that interested in really

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: anybody at the time, and then kind of want what

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01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: you can't have. Maybe I don't know, well I thought

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01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: those I mean, look, at the end of the day,

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01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: I think my parents what's so cool about them is

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01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: that they've never been the norm or mainstream. They've never

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01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: followed the rules. They've never done what everybody else does

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01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: because that's what you're supposed to do. Yeah, we're a

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01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: little like that. Yeah, and they live differently. And I

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01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, when I was younger, I didn't think it

1357
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: was cool because I wanted to be like everybody else.

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01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: When I was younger, you know, they collected modern art.

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01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: Everybody else had traditional art. I lived in a modern house.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else at traditional house. All of the things that

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01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't like. Then. I have such an

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01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: incredible respects for now. I wanted like a TV dinner, right,

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01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: you're like, you will have no, I actually want a

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01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: job with Swedish crowd. And it was like veal chops

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01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: and lamb chops and this thing, and I wanted like

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01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: a TV dinner. So you know what happened when my

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01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: parents went out and I had a babysitter, actually had

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Speaker 1: like a Swanson's TV dinner because that's what I wanted,

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01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: meat and sugar, Sarah all the thing with the mashed

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01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 1: potatoes and the apple pie in the corner. The apple

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01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: pie thing totally okay. And then I actually thought what

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Speaker 1: was pretty incredible. Their wedding story was pretty epic because

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01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: my mother really didn't want a wedding. That's like her

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01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: worst nightmare, it's her worst name. It is pretty funny

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01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: because your mom's so into like gowns and like, yeah,

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01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: she loves doing parties, the components of it, but she

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01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,520
Speaker 1: didn't like the wedding. But she didn't want the traditional

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01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: wedding because it wasn't what how she saw it, and

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: that was too norm for her and she didn't want that.

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01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: And everything about it was a disaster. Her veil got

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01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: on fire. Okay, that's what I wanted to talk about.

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01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 1: How funny is it that, don't you remember you hate

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01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: all our pictures from our wedding because you kept the

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01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: veil on the entire night, you know? Can we talk

1385
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: about how funny is that your mom wasn't able to

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01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 1: keep the veil on at all because it burned off.

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01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: So it's like, if you combining it, you guys like

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: had pretty good veil. My mom and I are so

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01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: insanely alike. Is that funny? Like both of you had

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01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: a veil situation the wedding day. We both believe rules

1391
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: are meant to be broken, and we definitely yeah true.

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01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: And I remember having that veil on and being like, well,

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: you only wear this once in your life if things

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01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: go right, and so I was like, why take it off?

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01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: And as I continue to drink more champagne, I found

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01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: that I didn't take it off, and then every single

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01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: picture had a veil when all I really wanted to

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01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: where the whole night was the Tiara? Oh you know

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01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: I love it, Tiera. Who wouldn't I love it? Tierra?

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01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 1: I still love Tiaras. All right, With that note, let's

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01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: wrap it up here, and we'd like to make a

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Speaker 1: public service announcement. If you liked what you've heard so far,

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,840
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Speaker 1: five seven five four nine two two five one. Again,

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Speaker 1: on our show. Now, we're going to go on to

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01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: another segment of our show called Highlight low Light, where

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: we tell you the highlight of our week and the

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01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: low light of the week. And I think I'm gonna

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01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: start with you, Rachel. Can you start us off and

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01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: tell us what your highlight and low life of the

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01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: week was? Do you want the low first? Yeah, let's

1425
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: build up to it. Let's start depressed and get happy.

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01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: My lows that you're going to Vegas and my sister

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01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: who used to visit me twice a month, was supposed

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01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: to come out and have like a girl's weekend while

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01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: you were gone, because obviously she's wearing more helpful than

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01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: you and she's not coming. So that's a huge low.

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01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,759
Speaker 1: So you're like yesterday's news. Yeah, she has a boyfriend

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01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: and I've been dropped like a hot potato, but cool?

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01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: Are there any other metaphors we can use? Um? I

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01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: no longer exist. Drop it's like a drop it like

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01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 1: it's hot. I used to have a sister. I would

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Speaker 1: you like to go on? Well? Those are a little

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01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: more direct, they're not metaphors. Oh okay, okay, I'm old news.

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01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: Oh I'm yesterday's news. I'm um, I'm there, done that. Yeah,

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01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: I've been there, done that. I've been there. I am

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01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: been there, done that. Rachel who sister who? You know?

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01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: All that? I went from twice a month Sisterhood of

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01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: the Traveling Pants, twice a month, traveling it's a month

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01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: for two years. She got a boyfriend. I've seen her

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01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: a week in ye and maybe maybe maybe she can't

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01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: leave his side for more than twenty four hours. Blah blah.

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01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: Do you at my high? My eye is really good.

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01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 1: I love your high. So my high is very exciting

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01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: because now that I am double vaccinated um and feeling

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01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: more free than I have a year and a half.

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you believe in science. I do. Oh thank god.

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01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: So let's not get into that conversation. Um, and I

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01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,879
Speaker 1: couldn't be more excited that I'm having my very first

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01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: in person suire although intimate, but hosting co hosting an

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01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: event for the newest summer edition of Katore with my

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01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: friend and of course super influencer, supermom superwoman Rocky Barnes,

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01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: who we all know and love. Um, she's been incredible

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01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: support and friend of the Rachel zoebrand and now Kuratour.

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01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: And we're hosting an amazing dinner this coming Thursday. And

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Speaker 1: you know what's so sad for me that you don't

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01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 1: get to come. Well, there's gonna be fifteen gorgeous women,

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01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 1: twenty gorgeous women hanging out having drinks and I would

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01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: be the only man there. But instead I'm going to

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01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: be in Vegas with ten men and no women. Maybe

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01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: that's my love, but that was my high So no, no, no, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. UM. My love for this week is

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01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: basically fires. I do not understand why someone would start

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Speaker 1: forest fires. That is the most craziest thing of all

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Speaker 1: psychotic behavior. It's so psycho and so sick, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that I do not I don't think people, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're here on the West coast and we're pretty close

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Speaker 1: to the fires. I don't think people realize how disruptive

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Speaker 1: this really is and how much energy and time and

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Speaker 1: just thought and just like rives at risk and firefighter's caused,

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Speaker 1: and it's just so selfish. I think we have to

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Speaker 1: be a little less selfish. And obviously someone who's doing

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Speaker 1: that it's not in their right mind. But so if

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Speaker 1: the psycho arts andist is listening to our podcast, call

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Speaker 1: them supposedly By the way, Citizen I believe was very

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Speaker 1: instrumental in that capture. We love the Citizen app of course. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right, so my lowlight was the fire the highlight

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Speaker 1: of my week? What was my highlight again? Did you

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Speaker 1: ad mint chip ice cream last night with pretzels in it? No, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: that my highlight of every day? Did everyone know that

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Speaker 1: my wife makes me a choice of either peanut butter

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Speaker 1: or mint frozen yogurt with various chopped up treats in

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Speaker 1: it every night. She's a wonderful wife. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to say that an air my wife is wonderful. Thanks

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Speaker 1: Henny lot. Thanks all right, moving right on to my

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Speaker 1: highlight of my highlight of the week. It sounds so silly,

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Speaker 1: but I was suffering some vertigo from a little bit

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Speaker 1: of this vaccination, and I was able to go out

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Speaker 1: there and play golf my normal way, which is poortly,

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Speaker 1: so I got to at least play around and shoot crappy.

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Speaker 1: So for me, that was a victory in a highlight

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Speaker 1: of my week. You know, for me, for me, just

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Speaker 1: spending any block of time five hours away from my

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Speaker 1: wife and kids is it's a good time. You know,

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Speaker 1: no one thinks you're cool. I wasn't trying to be cool.

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Speaker 1: Now I feel like you are trying to be cool,

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Speaker 1: and no one thinks you're cool. No one thinks it's

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Speaker 1: cool to want to leave your wife and kids. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying to play golf, and no one thinks that's cool.

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Speaker 1: And anyone who does think that cool, that's cool, is

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Speaker 1: not cool. I'm pretty sure that the entire p