1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calai. Here's cal. 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal reports that after years of slumping sales, 4 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: fur clothing is back in style. The trend is being 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: driven primarily by young people purchasing quote vintage clothing products, 6 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: which eighties kids knew as used clothing. As listener Bob 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Nielsen pointed out to me in an email, young people 8 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: these days are all about organic, renewable, sustainably harvest and biodegradable. 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: Animal fur products are all of those things. So we'll 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: see if this trend lasts long enough to give a 11 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: little boost to the fur market. Peda, of course, is furious, 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: but even the Peda folks have a plastic spoons worth 13 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: of microplastics accumulated it in their brains or blood or cement, 14 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to. Oddly enough, putting my 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: hat on as a clothing manufacturer, high loft synthetic fleece 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: garments are relatively huge microplastic polluters. All those less than 17 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: five millimeters long threads of polyester loft are indeed plastic, 18 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: and they flush out of your washing machine regularly. If 19 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: you're interested in your personal impact, don't wash your fleece 20 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: garments as often. Definitely hang onto that jacket for the 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: life of the garment. As we say in the West, 22 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: duct tape is hit man. Microplastic filters are available for 23 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: your washing machine. Microplastic catching bags designed for the laundry 24 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: cycle are available. And always try to find a place 25 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: to recycle that old jacket when you're done with it 26 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: outside of that city. Water filtration is our best hope 27 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: to catch that teeny tiny trash that and you know, 28 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: hear me out natural with fur this week, legislation, layoffs, 29 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: hunt science, listener mail, and so much more. But first 30 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about my week, and my week 31 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: has been a whirlwind. Gang got to jump on skis 32 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: with a bunch of folks from the Meat Eater HQ 33 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: office here in bos Angelus, and man, it was amazing 34 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: how much more you like your coworkers when you're all 35 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: outside getting some exercise. Skiing was awesome. Then, of course, 36 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: the next day our three feet of snow accumulation was 37 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: knocked into a river by the Chinook winds and fifty 38 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: plus degree temp. That's temp swing of about twenty below zero. 39 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: To positive fifteen seventy two hours. We were looking for 40 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: a break. It was coming down a little little steady 41 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: for the four hoovid critters. I'm positive we'll get some 42 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: more winter here, but spring is going to be the thing, 43 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: right like winter weekend. Spring kills is definitely something I 44 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: believe in and ideally we're going to get. We're going 45 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: to lay off the freezing rain here this spring. Give 46 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: everybody nice ease into some green grass. Moving on to 47 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: the legislative desk, Lots of action in Kentucky these days. 48 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: Old Kentuck First Senate Bill eighty nine would follow several 49 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: other states and in diminishing clean water protections. Current law 50 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: requires state officials to protect waters of the Commonwealth, which 51 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: includes a broad swath of rivers, streams, lakes, ponds, and groundwater. 52 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: In practice, this requires businesses, industries, and individuals to obtain 53 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: permets that ensure they aren't poisoning or damaging waterways. But 54 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: SB eighty nine would narrow those protections. Under this bill, 55 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: only those waters that are defined as navigable waters under 56 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: the Federal Clean Water Act would be eligible for protection. 57 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: This would exclude all ground water as well as the 58 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: upper reaches of stream and river systems in Kentucky. Degrading 59 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: protections for waterways impacts everything you do as hunters and anglers, 60 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: from fishing to waterfowl hunting to whitetail hunting. These species 61 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: all rely on water, as do we, and allowing those 62 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: waters to be polluted isn't good for any of them. 63 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: SB eighty nine passed the Senate on a thirty to 64 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: five vote and is now in the House. It could 65 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: move forward at any time, so it's critical that you 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: contact your legislators as soon as you listen to this. 67 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: Definitely look up Kentucky backcountry hunters and anglers too. The 68 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: Rhode Island legislature is considering banning so called assault weapons. 69 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: HB five four three six and SO three five nine 70 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: defines an assault weapon as a semi automatic rifle that 71 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: can accept a detachable magazine and has one of the 72 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: scary features associated with air fifteen's and other similar rifles. 73 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: This is the same kind of band we've seen in 74 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: other states like California, New Jersey, New York. Thanks to 75 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: listener Ken Bottow for sending this one. In speaking a 76 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: gun bands, the Colorado Senate passed a first in the 77 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: nation ban on a wide swath of semi automatic rifles, pistols, 78 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: and shotguns. Rather than taking the Rhode Island approach, this 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: bill ban's most kinds of gas operated semi automatic firearms 80 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: if they can accept a detachable magazine. The Senate amended 81 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: the bill to allow residents to continue purchasing these firearms 82 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: if they undergo an extensive background check and training process, 83 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: but gun rights advocates still warnant it will set a 84 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: dangerous precedent for gun bans moving forward. It's now headed 85 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: to the House where it's expected to pass by a 86 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: wide margin. There's still things that you can do. Contact 87 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: your state rep. You can certainly reach out to the 88 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: governor as well. Gun bills are tricky gang they seem 89 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: to only matter to those who follow the law anyway. 90 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: Listener Grant Carston's sent me a bill he's concerned about 91 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: in Iowa that would eliminate the Natural Resource and Outdoor 92 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: Recreation Trust Fund. This fund is used to help state 93 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: and local agencies and private landowners pay for projects that 94 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: protect wildlife, fisheries, and recreational opportunities. But Sjr. Six would 95 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: eliminate that fund and use the money for property tax relief. 96 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: There's a similar bill here in Montana. Habitat funding is important. 97 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: Get on the horn with your rep. Listener. Matt Gamble 98 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: sent me two bills from his neck of the woods. 99 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: In Oklahoma, Senate Bill one zero seven to three creates 100 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: five special permits each year that may be co branded 101 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: with the Governor's office to be auctioned, raffled, or obtained 102 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: through lottery. Problem is, the money generated from these contests 103 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: doesn't have to go back to the state Game Agency 104 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: for conservation. Also in the sooner, State House Bill twelve 105 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: forty two would add servids to the list of livestock 106 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: eligible for a farm tax exemption. Matt is concerned about 107 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: this one because it doesn't specify that only captive servids 108 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: would qualify for the tax exemption. It would be reasonable 109 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: to assume so, since the bill states that the exemption 110 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: would apply it to servids sold at auction, but labeling 111 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: any deer as livestock could jeopardize the ability of the 112 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife Agency to manage that animal. And if 113 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: the money generated from auction or raffle tags don't go 114 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: back to the animals, then there is no point to them. 115 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: That is the entire point that's the genesis of that 116 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: whole program, which, as you know, I'm constantly at odds 117 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: with what the heck. In Vermont, H one p. Thirty 118 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: two would prohibit a person from taking a fur bearer 119 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: by gun, bow and arrow or crossbow with the use 120 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: of bait. I've heard from trappers up there that this 121 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: could put a serious damper on the fur harvest. Finally, 122 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: just across the state line in New Hampshire, legislators have 123 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: once again proposed a bill that would strip the Fishing 124 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: Game Commission of its regulatory authority. HB two zero two 125 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: would make the Commission an advisory body only and transfer 126 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: all decision making power to the executive director of the agency, 127 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: who is a political appoint ee. Moving on to the 128 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: hunting sciences, scientific studies don't always give you a leg 129 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: up in the field, but it's nice when they do. 130 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: For example, a new study from the Deer Lab at 131 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: Mississippi State University claims to debunk what many whitetail hunters 132 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: believe about the moon's effect on deer movement. You've probably heard, 133 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: and maybe you believe yourself, that the moon's phase and 134 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: its position relative to the Earth determines how much deer 135 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: moved during the day. One common explanation is that when 136 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: the moon is full, deer travel more at night because 137 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: they can see better. This supposedly translates to less movement 138 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: during the day and lower odds of success for hunters. 139 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: If you've ever stayed in bed during a full moon 140 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: because you assume the bucks have all betted down for 141 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: the day, I have bad news. Researchers at MSU tracked 142 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: forty eight collared bucks, many of which were mature, from 143 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: September one to February twenty eight in Mississippi. They found 144 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: that even during the moon phase and location that should 145 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: have resulted in the most deer movement, the deer only 146 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: increased their movement by four yards per hour during these times. 147 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: They also observed zero change in the time the deer 148 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: spent betted. For context, these bucks averaged two hundred and 149 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: sixty five yards of travel per hour over an entire season, 150 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: so a four yard difference is essentially zero statistically speaking. 151 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: In fact, that's how one researcher summarized their findings. They 152 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: found zero correlation between moon phase and location and how 153 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: much those forty eight mississip bucks traveled or betted if 154 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: I was a betting man, I'd wager that Mississippi bucks 155 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: aren't weird outliers. I think this applies to all white 156 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: tail no matter where you live. As Adam Moore recommends 157 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: in his article covering this study at the media dot Com, 158 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: deer hunters can go ahead and throw out their lunar 159 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: calendar focus instead on the things we know impact deer movement, temperature, 160 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: availability of food and water, and of course, the rut 161 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: and other hunting Science News University of Florida researchers identified 162 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: what they say our host posts of burm these pythons. 163 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: Pythons are invasive to Florida and have been extremely damaging 164 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: to native wildlife and ecosystems. At the same time, python 165 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,239 Speaker 1: hunting has also become a popular pastime for many Floridians. 166 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: Biologists and state officials want to do everything they can 167 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: to help python hunters be successful, which is why they 168 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: embark on this study to find python honey holes. Researchers 169 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: collected sixteen thousand hours of hunting data from hunters who 170 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: agreed to be tracked by GPS. Pythons are difficult to catch, 171 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: but two areas stood out because a relatively small group 172 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: of hunters caught lots of snakes. So you Florida python hunters, 173 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: listen up, I'm about to give you one heck of 174 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: a hot tip. One python hotspot is located along the 175 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: western edge of Big Cypress National Preserve and Collier County. 176 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: The other is in the southern portion of Palm Beach 177 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: County in Stormwater Treatment Area three DASH four that's about 178 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: twenty four miles south of Belglade and adjacent to the 179 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: Holy Land Wildlife Management Area eight. Hunters have been extremely 180 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: successful in these locations, which means they contain a large 181 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: population with snakes. Hopefully it's not that there's a large 182 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: population in between those points and that's where they're coming out. 183 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: In addition to identifying python hotspots, the study also identified 184 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: the best time to go snake hunting. It conferred what 185 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: most snake hunters believe that night time between eight and 186 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: two AM is optimal. Researchers also determined that the May 187 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: to October wet season is best. In the month of 188 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: August had the highest number of catches. Of course, some 189 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: of his data might simply be correlated to when snake 190 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: hunters rather than snakes, are most active, but they also 191 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: debunked some accepted wisdom. Nighttime hunts are generally more successful, 192 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: but daytime hunts can still yield results, especially during cold 193 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: snaps when the average daily temperature is fifty degrees or lower. 194 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 1: On those days, pythons will often slink out of the 195 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: underbrush to sun themselves on levees or roads. Now, before 196 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: anyone gets mad at me or these researchers for spot burning, 197 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: keep in mind that Burmese pythons don't belong in Florida. 198 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: They're a real problem for wildlife and habitat, and the 199 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: more successful hunters can be, the better for the native critters. 200 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: Unlike most hunting opportunities, the goal here is to eliminate 201 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: the hunt entirely, eradication, not recreation. Moving on to the 202 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: federal workforest desk. Quick update on the public land employee 203 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: story we've been following. About a week after the Feds 204 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: announced that they were firing over three thousand Forest Service 205 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: employees and over one thousand National Park Service employees, they 206 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: appear to be backtracking a little bit. The Department of 207 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: Interior CENTIMMO last week to Park Service officials, allowing the 208 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: agency to hire seven seven hundred seasonal employees for twenty 209 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: twenty five. This is significant because that's about fourteen hundred 210 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: more seasonal employees than the Park Service has been able 211 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: to hire in recent years to help the Park Service 212 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: maintain and staff national parks in time for the busy 213 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: season over the summer. That's a good start, but it's 214 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: not a total reversal. There's no word on whether the 215 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: Forest Service will be able to hire more seasonal employees, 216 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: and this doesn't restore the jobs of the employees fired 217 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Those were full time employees on their 218 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: probationary period, but this memo only allows the Park Service 219 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: to hire more seasonal temporary employees. So it's a step 220 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: in the right direction, but it's not a complete win. 221 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: The good news is that the pressure appears to be working. 222 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: A new poll released last week found that seventy two 223 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: percent of the public in eight western states want their 224 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: federal officials to emphasize clean water, air, wildlife, and recreation 225 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: over oil and gas drilling on public land. Thousands of 226 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: you have also called and emailed those officials, and it's 227 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: time to keep it up. We need to make sure 228 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: the great folks who maintain our public land can continue 229 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: doing their jobs. If you want a clearer picture of 230 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: what these layoffs could mean for our federal public lands, 231 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: check out Eli Fournier's article over at the meeater dot com. 232 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: Unlike a lot of journalists, he actually spoke for a 233 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: service employees, and it debunks some of the misinformation that's 234 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: been circulating online. You know. Additionally, I would love to 235 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: just real briefly read you a recent post by this 236 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: buddy of mine named Steve. He posted an article related 237 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: to what we just talked about a guy who got rehired. 238 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: So I don't know this biologist, but I'm damn glad 239 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: to see it, damn glad to see him rehired. I'm 240 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: all for an America First agenda, but to me, that 241 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: means defending our public lands and public wildlife, which are 242 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: definitionally the property of all Americans. I get the need 243 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: to cut fraud and waste, but let's do it surgically 244 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: and in a way that doesn't threaten to derail ae 245 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: hundred years of American conservation success. Not gonna be a 246 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: big surprise to folks like That's definitely where I'm at. 247 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: I want you to understand that nobody likes waste. If 248 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: there is fraud, we don't want it. If there's corruption, 249 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: we don't want it. Just like in the conservation world, 250 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: when you select a conservation organization and donate your hard 251 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: earned cash to that conservation org you want that cash 252 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: to be used as efficiently as possible. That's darn sure 253 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: what I want when I pay my taxes every year. Right, 254 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure you do too. You can want that, and 255 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: you can want your public lands to be well taken 256 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: care of. Users of public land understand that it's a 257 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: very dynamic situation. There's literal fires and floods and disease 258 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: epidemics and hurricane force wins, hailstorms, microbursts, ice jams, mudflows. 259 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: What else am I forgetting? All of these things that 260 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: are are nature? Right? And they reshuffle the deck all 261 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: the time. So I think it's important to understand that 262 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: there's always kind of like a social contract on our 263 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: public lands. Nobody should expect to leave a piece of 264 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: trash someplace and have a park service or forest service 265 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: or BLM employee pick it up or come by and 266 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: bury your own human waste. And that also means that 267 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: I myself, an unpaid citizen of the United States, has 268 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: cut a lot of trees out of trails, and there's 269 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: certain sections of trail that just are not going to 270 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: see like a Forest Service trail crew because other areas 271 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: are in higher demand. So one thing that perturbs me 272 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: is seeing this dialogue of like, oh I never see anybody, 273 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. Whatever. These are big places, they're wild places. 274 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer we need these people out there. 275 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, like there's a serious, serious 276 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: lack of law enforcement in these places that are near 277 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: and dear to my heart. But there is law enforcement 278 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: out there, and that alone does make a difference. You know, myself, 279 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: as an old guide in a lot of these wild places, 280 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: will tell you that the social enforcement was probably more 281 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: consistent than a lot of law enforcement in some places, 282 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: meaning that if we were floating a river and saw 283 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: something illegal, you know, we couldn't write a ticket, but 284 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: we'd darn sure row over there and just say, hey, 285 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you didn't know, but this section of river, 286 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: these are the regulations. Let's get rid of those travel 287 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: hooks or whatever the case was. This stream mouth is 288 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: not open for fishing. That's always going to be the case. 289 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: We're not looking to reinstate a bunch of people that 290 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: are going to totally take care of us and everything. 291 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: That's not realistic, and we don't want that, if I'm 292 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: being honest either. But there's a lot of darn good 293 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: folks out there who do a lot of good work, 294 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: especially if you're like a lot of friends of mine 295 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: who have young families, and you got to be closer 296 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: to those trailheads and campgrounds than I care to be. 297 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: Moving on to the crime desk, two Montana men were 298 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: sentenced last week four, among other things, spearing giant rainbow 299 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: trout in a display pond. Ty Lewis first caught the 300 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: attention to Montana Game Wardens when a rancher near Great 301 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: Falls reported last September that someone had shot a bull 302 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: elk on his property, cut off the head, and left 303 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: the rest of rot. Wardens were able to identify Lewis 304 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: because he'd been caught earlier in the week trespassing on 305 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: a neighboring ranch. When they interviewed him, he admitted to 306 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: killing the bowl, but also told wardens that one of 307 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: his buddies, Richard van Meter, had poached a different bowl 308 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: as well. This, by the way, is a great strategy 309 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: for all you poachers out there. Your crimes always look 310 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: better if you tell police that someone else committed the 311 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: same crime. Anyway, As is often the case, those two 312 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: bull elk were just the tip of the proverbial Iceberg 313 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: wardens interviewed several other people and soon learned that Lewis 314 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: and van Meter had poached at least four bowls, but 315 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: only cut the heads off two. They retrieved photographic evidence 316 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: of these crimes from van Meter's phone, and one photo 317 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: showed Lewis stabbing a bowl after he and Van Meter 318 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: ran out of bullets. There was also a photo of 319 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: van Meter with a poached black bear, which he admitted 320 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: to having shot on the same day as one of 321 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: the illegal elk hunts. And it wasn't just big game 322 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: that this dynamic duo were after. The wardens also found 323 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: photos of the two men with a stringer of dead 324 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: trout at the display pond of the Giant Springs Fish Hatchery. 325 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: It's unclear how many they took home, but game wardens 326 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: found that they'd left some of the fish dead while 327 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: others were still alive on the pavement. These men were 328 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: convicted and sentenced for their crimes earlier this month. Lewis 329 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: paid sixteen thousand dollars in fines and Van Meter paid 330 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars. Both will lose their hunting and fishing 331 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: privileges for twenty years. That is a steep sentence here 332 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: in Montana. I love seeing it. A Colorado hunting outfitter 333 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: has agreed to pay five hundred thousand dollars to settle 334 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: allegations that a group of their clients started a wildfire 335 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: that burned eight hundred and fifty acres in twenty nineteen. 336 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: The US Justice Department alleges that the fire, which became 337 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: known as the Cow Creek Fire, was started by a 338 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: woodburning stove at the Green Mountain Camp on their Uncompagre 339 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: National Forest. God Man, there's a killer hunting jacket named Uncompagre. 340 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: At the time, that camp was occupied by a group 341 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: of hunters who had paid Jackson Outfitters to use the 342 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: camp for a self guarded elk hunt. The FEDS claimed 343 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: the fire started when embers and other ignited material exited 344 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: a stovepipe attached to the woodburning stove and landed on 345 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: the ground, igniting dry vegetation. They say the stove was 346 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: not equipped with a functional properly installed spark arrester, which 347 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: is just a little mesh grate in your stovepipe that 348 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: catches those embers before they can shoot out the top. 349 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: And so the outfitter who owned the stove was at fault. 350 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: While no homes or buildings were destroyed by the fire, 351 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: the government incurred significant costs to put the fire out. 352 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: Jackson Outfitters did not have to admit any liability as 353 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: part of the settlement, but they still agreed to cop 354 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: up a cool half million. I don't know whether this 355 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: outfitter deserved foot this bill, but it should serve as 356 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: a warning for the rest of us. Whenever you go camping, 357 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: especially if it's out west, be sure you keep a 358 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: careful watch on your fire. You don't want to get 359 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: saddled with one of those firefighting bills. I think all 360 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: involved are lucky it was only eight hundred and fifty acres. 361 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: I do feel bad for the outfitter here, because gang, 362 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: you gotta know better. Sparks make fire. Figure it out. 363 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: If you can't figure that out, maybe don't be in 364 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: the woods. No, that's harsh, but come on, common sense. Coal. 365 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: A police officer in Pennsylvania has been charged with reckless 366 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: endangerment after he allegedly shot his hunting partner in the head. 367 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: Local media reports that Officer David Cowasmi of the Exeter 368 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: Township Police was hunting waterfowl with a group of buddies 369 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: near Ola Township. He told police that he saw goose 370 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: flying towards the rear of the blind and when he 371 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: turned around in the ah ram to fire, he accidentally 372 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: shot his hunting partner in the top of the Head's 373 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: buddy is still alive, but he had to undergo brain 374 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: surgery and is now unable to walk. Now, you might 375 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: be asking yourself how this could have happened. Even if 376 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: you have to turn around to fire behind you, you 377 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to point the shotgun low enough to hit 378 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: the guy sitting next to you. Turns out, Kowasmi left 379 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: out a key detail in his statement to the police. 380 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: Four days after the incident, another member of the hunting 381 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: party contacted police and told them the group had been 382 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: taking shots of whiskey prior to taking shots at waterfowl. 383 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: The victim also confirmed this to police, which I'm sure 384 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: is part of the reason Kowosmi is being charged with 385 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: reckless endangerment. If he's honest and this turns out to 386 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: be true. You should thank his lucky star as he 387 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: was hunting with real buddies, or else he'd be getting manslaughter. 388 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: Moving on to the hunting rig edition of the mail Bag. 389 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, we asked you to send an 390 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: email in if he used something other than a truck 391 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: to hunt and transport game. Keefer Dukinski was the first 392 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: to respond. He sent me images of a small school 393 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: bus that he's converted into the ultimate hunting rig. He 394 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: can tow a mid sized pickup behind it, and he's 395 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: converted the inside into a living space that lets him 396 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: travel and hunt all over the country. He's headed to 397 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: Florida for Turkey, then he plans to move west to 398 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: Montana for spring black bear. After that, he wants to 399 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: hunt elk in Mule's wherever he can get a tag, 400 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: and he'll do it all on public land. That sounds 401 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: like a fantastic gear to me, and it looks like 402 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: he'll be darn comfortable in his hunting rig aka schoolie. 403 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: If you want to check it out for yourself, Keifer 404 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: is at Duge does it on the old Instagram. Looks 405 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: like a pretty sweet rig. There Keifer listener Rebecca Spring 406 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: send me an email about her jeep Renegade, which is 407 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: one of those small hatchback suv things. Rebecca says the 408 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: Renegade has hauled three antelope at once, bears deer, lots 409 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: of birds, and even an entire elk. She sent along 410 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: an image of the vehicle with an entire raft on top, 411 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: which is longer than the Renegade but looks pretty secure. 412 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: A lot to be said for small vehicles and hunting gang, 413 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: as you know. Don't get me started on minivans. Ken 414 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: Mitsui's unconventional hunting rig is even smaller. He has a 415 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: fifty mile commute to work, so he needs something fuel efficient, 416 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: but he also has two kids who both need room 417 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: for car seats. He lives in Maine, so he needs 418 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: something with all wheel drive. Settled on the hond to 419 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: see RV, which also turned out to be a great 420 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: hunting vehicle, he says he hasn't found a place yet 421 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: he can't access with it, and the back seats fold 422 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: down to fit a big main Woods buck. Sent a 423 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: picture to show it. Honda CRV is really if you 424 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: can find a good one used like a less expensive 425 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: version of a can am. Jonathan Piazza sent me a 426 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: photo of the first dear he harvested last October and 427 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: northeast Washington State. The whole animal fits in the back 428 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: of his Subaru forester with enough room for his tree stand. 429 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: He can also tow a whole trailer's worth of gear, 430 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: which I think looks great next to the first Light 431 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: logo on his side window. Finally, Nick Longley hunts out 432 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: of a Salvage twenty fourteen Tesla model s He's modified 433 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: it with an airlift winch and even a spare tire 434 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: attached to the trunk. He says he can sleep in it, 435 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: pack all his backpacking gear and coolers, and even toe 436 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: with it. The only problem a bull elkcrack is a 437 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: little tough to fit in the back seat. So when 438 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: he sent me pictures of an elk skull and antlers 439 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: wrapped and bubble wrap and strapped to the trunk, I 440 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: got a lot of great images in the last week, 441 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: but I think this was the best. People, you don't 442 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: need to go into debt on a ninety thousand truck 443 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: and all the stuff you stick to the outside of 444 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: it just to go to the woods. Anything with the 445 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: hatchback will do. Whether it's a van, suv or subaru. 446 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 1: Just get out there. If you want to see some 447 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: of these images, we'll get some up on the old 448 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: Cal four to six Instagram account to gang Hey. Last, 449 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: but not least, I want to keep this upbeat. Conservation 450 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: world is tough right now. A lot of things happening, 451 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: a lot of what have use. You just need to 452 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: stay engaged, stay in the pulse. One thing I got 453 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: to tell people, and I'm telling a lot of people 454 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: in my call right now too. I mean literally, things 455 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: that you did yesterday don't matter like it's all today 456 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: going forward. So don't go pointing fingers at people. This 457 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: is about coming together for public lands right now, public 458 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: lands and access to them. If you've been listening to 459 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: this show, you know that's the only legacy I'm leaving 460 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: behind kids, is big chunks of public land. They've served 461 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: me very well in my life, and I don't need 462 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: you to use them. I just want to have them 463 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: be available should you choose to use them, okay, because 464 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: they're going to provide the same type of benefits to 465 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: you as they did to me. I promise there's some 466 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: kind of like breadcrumb arguments out there right now. And 467 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: one of the major concerns with layoffs of employees that 468 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: work to service these public lands is that, you know, 469 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: management has been such a buzzword forever really on you know, 470 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: public land versus private land, and there's there's great concern 471 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: that if we remove the stewards of those lands, the 472 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: ones that are paid to be there and oftentimes have 473 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: the requisite skills to take care of that stuff, that 474 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: these lands are going to fall in such disrepair that 475 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: the American public somehow loses their affinity for them. And 476 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: if they lose their affinity for them, they're not going 477 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: to fight for them. I don't like that one myself. 478 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: As I briefly pointed out, probably not all that well 479 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 1: in this podcast. Americans have been taking care of their 480 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: public lands in their own small way. There's there's some 481 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: jackasses out there that that trash them, and I would 482 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: love to root those folks out, just exactly like we 483 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: should be able to root out poor employees that take 484 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: advantage of the system and don't provide an added value, Right, 485 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: you bums, if you're on the payroll, should get out 486 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: of it. America's public lands are deeply American. They came 487 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: out of American ideals. They are for all of us. 488 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: I have a huge pet peeve when you hear people 489 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: say like they're a socialist program or a communist program. 490 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: Socialism and communism came from other continents. Public lands, waters, wildlife. 491 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: That's like deeply American. The idea of being able to 492 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: float down a river is literally one that people traveled 493 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: over here from Europe to establish. Not having just the 494 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: King's game is something that people established in a free 495 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: new world. Obviously that came at the expense of some 496 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: folks that already lived here. But here we are today, 497 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: and we're still working on some tricky issues with an 498 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: imperfect system. But we got a system and we can 499 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: keep working to improve it. But we got to keep 500 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: the land and we got to keep the access to 501 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: it if we're going to improve it. Another one coming 502 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: down the pipe is is there's currently a comment period 503 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 1: open on the NEPA process, which NEPA has been a 504 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: political football for a long time. It's a you know, 505 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: it's an environmental assessment of an area that has to 506 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: get done in order to do further projects or possibly 507 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: even sell divest that land. Right now, there's a massive 508 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: NEPA rollback open for public comment, and there's some great 509 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: concern that if NIPA gets rolled back, then it's going 510 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: to be very easy to sell public lands by not 511 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: having to go through that process. I'm digging into that 512 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: with some folks that really know what they're talking about. 513 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: That's scary right now. I'm going to put that in 514 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: like the theory bucket, like it's plausibly adjacent. But it's 515 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: not a sure thing. I will tell you this. From 516 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: the state level to the federal level, there's a lot 517 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: of attacks on public land. They're phrased in a lot 518 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: of different ways. I've been through this fight before, about 519 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: ten years ago. I'm telling you it's pretty darn easily 520 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: one if we can get folks to put their bs 521 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: aside and say, like, yeah, the thing that brings us 522 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: together is public lands, public wildlife, public water and access 523 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: to it. We've got a lot of differences on other 524 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: sides of the spectrum, but this one thing, this very 525 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: American thing, is what we need to stand together on 526 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: right and I have confidence in you. We're gonna keep 527 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: you posted. Please check out Wired to Hunt podcast right 528 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: now too. Mark Kenyon over there is really kicking ass 529 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: on getting a lot of good information out there. Also 530 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: on the Backcountry Hunters and Anglers front, we're working on 531 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: some more resources to get people involved in their state legislation, 532 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: so please check out Backcountry Hunters and Anglers dot org 533 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: as well as TRCP dot or lots of good information there. 534 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: All right, that's all I got for you this week. 535 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Remember to write in 536 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: to a s k c a L that's asked Cal 537 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,239 Speaker 1: at the meeteater dot com. Let me know what's going 538 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: on in your neck of the woods. You know I 539 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks again, I'll talk to you next week.