1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Who killed Deborah Lynn Randall? How 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: do you do something that is a liberal? Randall? From 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: January thirteen, nineteen seventy two. Debby was nine years old 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: when she vanished. It's been more than forty three years. 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Group of retired detectives volunteering their time, determined to bring 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: her family answer to the beautiful kid duclugative picture and 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: you say the amishs. Detective Nicks is part of a 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: rare group of retired police officers to specialize in solving 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: Cop Counties cold cases. If you investigator, feel detective for 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: peel cop and that's what you moved forward that phone call, 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: that family saying sit down with the best good means 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: for you. I give in your buying your back or 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: find out her work before there for it. We haven't 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: forgotten and we're not going to give up. It was 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: a cold, cold winter's night and a nine year old 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: little girl, debb Lynn Randall. Debbie Lynn Randall steps out 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: of a laundry mat to head back home. She's only 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: a half a block away from her family's home. She's 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: got with her the detergent. They've been doing their family laundry, 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: and who would be worried just a half a block 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: from home, not even a whole block from the laundry mat, 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: walking by herself. She never made it home. This nine 24 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: year old little girl never seen alive again. I Nancy Grace, 25 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 26 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: a nine year old little girl and trusted just to 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: walk a few doors. I can remember at that age 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: we didn't have a washer and dryer either, and we 29 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: would have to drive to the laundry mat. And we 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: also did it on Sundays on our way to evening services. 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: I remember it like it was yesterday. And then coming 32 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: home and getting into the warm sheets and the towels 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: and hiding under them and playing in them until they 34 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: weren't warm anymore. That's what you do when you're nine 35 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: years old. You don't end up missing and murdered. That's 36 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: what happened to Debbie. And joining me right now special 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: guests from the Cobb County Coal Case Unit, Detective Morris Nis, 38 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: whose mission has been finding the truth of what happened 39 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: to nine year old Debbie, also with me Crime Online 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: reporter Lee Eagan to both of you. Thank you for 41 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: being with us. I wanted to go back to that evening, cold, cold, cold, 42 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: really frigid winter night. Let's start at the beginning to 43 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: Detective Morris Nicks again, thank you for being with us. 44 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: Let's start with her leaving the house and her trip 45 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: to the laundry. Matt Morris, start and welcome. Thank you. 46 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 1: Nei um. A lot of people have asked me why 47 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: was a nine year old there alone? And I explained 48 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: to him this was a gathering place for particularly the 49 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: little girls, where they will get together at the lawn 50 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: room matte and play with her barbed dolls and trade 51 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: clothes and things that you know nine year old girls do. 52 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: She was within sight of where she lived, so we 53 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: just across the street, and so it really wasn't that unusual. 54 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: Detective Morris Knicks, Hold on one moment, you're telling me 55 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: something I didn't know. I've been saying half a block 56 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: ever since I started researching this case. Are you saying 57 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: it's more like across the street? Correct? It was probably 58 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: about s whoa seventy five ft that is just basically 59 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: across the street. Okay, See that puts it in a 60 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: whole different light because While I understood the parents letting 61 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: her walk a half a block by herself, I always 62 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: thought why did they do that? But that would be 63 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: like most people saying, hey, can you run next door 64 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: and take this to the neighbor. And you know, Marris, 65 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: you knew, you know, I grew up in rural Georgia 66 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: and we would go outside and play and play and play, 67 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: and finally come home when it started getting dark. Nobody 68 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: thought a thing about it. When the front porch light 69 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: came on, you knew it was time to go on. 70 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: That's right. Or either I would hear my parents wayne 71 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: the distance, blowing the car horn right here, the chimes 72 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: in the church steeple, and go, oh six o'clock. Better go. 73 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we could go where ever we wanted to, 74 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: as long as we've done her homework. Now, let me 75 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: get back to the seat, Mars. After all of our 76 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: discussions about Debbie, I didn't get this. This is an 77 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: important fact. So it's just across the street, all right, 78 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: Sorry to slow you down, Go ahead, detective. Okay, Well, 79 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: she was at lunder matt playing with her friends. I 80 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: interviewed someone who told me at one point said Debbie 81 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: walked out the door said, you know, see you later, goodbye. 82 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: I gotta go, she said. I wanted to go with her, 83 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: but my older sister said, no, you're gonna stay here 84 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: and help me full close wow with me. Lea Egan, 85 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Crime Online dot Com Lee, when I 86 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: look back and I've heard this from countless I can't 87 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: even count them crime victims, families or friends. If only 88 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: I had, if he had, if she had, if ten 89 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: minutes this way, ten minutes that way, it's it can 90 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: torture you, Leagan thinking what if I run into that? 91 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: A lot on these stories, there's always usually every story 92 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: has at least one person that was like, only I 93 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: could have said this to her or him, just got 94 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: them to hold back for a few minutes. And it's 95 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: it's it's not their fault. I mean, nobody knew. No. 96 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: I just feel so bad about it. And her parents 97 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: had probably tortured themselves about letting her go across the street. 98 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: This little girl was a happy girl, a third grade 99 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: student at Pine Forest Elementary, just nine years old. You know, guys, 100 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: you know that's the age of the twins. Just nine 101 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: years old. She was walking that to her first street 102 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: home there at mary Atta place. She had been at 103 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: the Duds and SuDS co Op laundry matt. She absolutely 104 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: got there, she was spotted, she was identified. There were 105 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: other little girls there that Sunday evening and they were 106 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: just as Detective Morris Nick said, exchanging doll close. They 107 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: all brought their dolls and that funny a lot of 108 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: times I can remember. She doesn't do it now, but 109 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: when Lucy would go to the playground, she'd take a 110 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: doll and if there were other girls there, they would 111 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: play with the dolls. So when she went to go 112 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: do the laundry, she took her dolls. So what do 113 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: we know about when she left Detective Nick's she left 114 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: about seven? The best we can tell, she left about seven. Um, 115 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: wait a minute, now, hold on. She I understand that 116 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: the stepdad, Robert Hooker, took her to the laundry matt 117 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: around seven with a load of laundry and he left 118 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: her there with two bucks. And when he last saw her, 119 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: according to the reports I've read, she was putting clothes 120 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: in the washing machine when her stepdad left. Now is 121 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: that correct? Yes, that's that's approximate. Um, we believe possibly 122 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: he a little bit earlier and that she actually walked 123 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: out about seven fifteen, seven twenty from what we're able 124 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: to put together. You know, it also changes things, Detective Nick, 125 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: because for a moment there, I thought she had walked 126 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: over across the street with the laundry herself. No, her stepdad, 127 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: who has is not a part of this investigation. He 128 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: had an alibi for that whole time because you always 129 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: look at the dad and stepdad first, and carry the 130 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: mom's boyfriend. But he walked her over there, which makes 131 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: it it seemed even more safe, and left her with 132 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: two bucks, the laundry, and the clothes, I mean, the detergent. Okay, 133 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: so she's there thirty minutes, then she leaves. All right, 134 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: what happens then, Well, this is where it starts to 135 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: we have to start sorting things out. Um. I have 136 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: one witness that said I saw her across the street, 137 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: and the witness said, I think someone called out to her. 138 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: She recognized that person, turned around and came back towards them, which, 139 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: of course gives you one theory. Someone else said, no, well, yeah, 140 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: hold on, let's follow that to its logical conclusion. When 141 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: you say it gives you one theory, Not all of 142 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: us are cold case Unit detectives. So when you say 143 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: that's one theory, what you mean is it's somebody she 144 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: knows that could call her name out, or they could 145 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: have said hey, little girl, but they could have also 146 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: used her name. To the witness, say they used her name, 147 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: did not say that. So she leaves. Let's just estimate, 148 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: and she leaves with the doll and the box of 149 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: detergent or just the detergent. She just had the detergent. 150 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: According according to the reports, she may have had the doll, 151 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 1: but there's no mention of the dogs. And I do 152 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: the same thing, what happened to the dog? Because you 153 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: know that dog could be sitting on some guy's shelf 154 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: right now? You know that. You know how killers keep 155 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: mementos and treasures like people's underwear or their their driver's 156 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: license or a ticket stub like you put in your 157 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: photo album, your treasure book, your scrap book. They keep 158 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: scrap books in essence of their murder victims. So I 159 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: wonder what happened to the doll? Okay, so somebody sees 160 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: her leaving. We can place that around seven twenty that 161 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Sunday night, going across the street. We're positive she left 162 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: the laundry. Matt right, Okay, so then what happens and 163 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: then she vanishes? Um. I had one witness that said, 164 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: I think I don't think she ever went across the street, 165 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: and I had another one to tell them. I said, yes, 166 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: she crossed the street, so she had to have come back. 167 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: And of course the laundry matters, you know, Nancy is 168 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: it's a noisy place. You've got wash shoes and dwighters running. 169 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: And so we did not know if this was just 170 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: a quick abduction. And then we talked to Sandra, who 171 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: we give a lot of credibility of Sandra, and she says, 172 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: oh no, she was kicking and screaming. He threw her 173 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: over the shoulder and threw her in the car. And 174 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: Sandra resolved for us to this point, the fact that 175 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: whoever did this was alone just one moment. And guess 176 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: who we are talking to now. Take a listen to 177 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: possibly the only eyewitness to the kidnap of nine year 178 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: old Debbie Randall. Sandra, what made you decide to come 179 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: forward this much later? My sister worked for Cobb County Gale, 180 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: and she told me the case had been reopened, and 181 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: I thought it had been closed all a long time ago, 182 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: and I told her I saw it happened, and she said, well, 183 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: somebody might be calling union in touch with you, and 184 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: I said okay. And that's when she was talking to 185 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: a detective and I called her one day and she said, well, 186 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: this is going to that and she put him on 187 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: the phone and he asked me if I would be 188 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: willing to talk to detective next and from their own 189 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: as as just connection to you, Santra. I know it 190 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: was a while back, but please put your mind back 191 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: to the evening Debbie disappeared. What did you observe lady 192 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: might get her where they thought they got hurt. There 193 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: was like a playground that was behind the law dramat 194 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: and also a place there where you would go and 195 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: get Line Morris to cut people's grass. And there was 196 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: a tree right there beside the laundromat where there was 197 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: no window. Is there anything on the side. I've seen 198 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: this black pick up up stop. The driver got out, 199 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: left this door open, let's the truck running. He ran. 200 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: He went over to Debbie. He grabbed her and she 201 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: was kicking her feet and kicking, kicking real hard and 202 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: screaming and yelling. And he had had her over his shoulder, 203 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: so she was screaming and kicking. He threw her in 204 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: the truck and then he almost ran over me. What 205 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: did the truck look like? All I know is it 206 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: was a black truck because I was twelve years old. 207 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: But I can remember like it was yesterday. I've had 208 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: nightmares about it. Ever, what did he look like? He 209 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: was a white man, and I was maybe a hundred 210 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: forty ft to eighty feet from him, so I couldn't 211 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: tell you what he looked like. But I and I 212 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: could tell he was white. And and do you recall 213 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: what he had on? He had a pants and shirt, 214 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,599 Speaker 1: but I, I mean, I don't other than that, I 215 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: just looked long pants and a shirt. And I remember 216 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: because um, I looked at somebody that was walking with me, 217 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: and I said, did you just say that? And when 218 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: I heard her screaming yell, and I said, oh, somebody 219 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: has done got in trouble. And I mean he almost 220 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: like I said, he I must have fell because I 221 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: got up. Was when I did. I accustomed as he 222 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: went by me, but he went out. Did you think 223 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: that was her father? I didn't know. I just thought 224 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: it was I didn't know because I didn't know Debbie myself. 225 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: I had not had had met her or anything like that. 226 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: Is the way I found out about it was the 227 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: next day I had went to the little store that 228 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: was in the marryat a place and her brother there 229 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: was handing out flyers asking if anybody had seen anything 230 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: or hurt anything. And back then I told him that 231 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: I would talk to somebody because there was no other 232 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: way he would have been able to get out except 233 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: could go if he I lived on Fourth Street, and 234 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: if he went around Fourth Street, he would still hit 235 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: furber On Street. If he had went straight, he would 236 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: hit further on Street. I had another girl with me 237 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: is because we were taking her clothes to the launder 238 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: back and I mean, I don't I don't know what 239 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: happened was her because back then seeing that the Tectis 240 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: says she was just I don't know, I don't know, 241 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what was going on with her. 242 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: But then I saw her later on, and I mean 243 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: she had turned into an alcoholic. So you know, that's 244 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: been thirty years ago at the time. Did you ever 245 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: get to talk to police? Detective came to my house 246 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: when I lived on Fourth Street, and that was the 247 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: last thing I heard anything. I mean, did you speak 248 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: to them from there on? I didn't hear anything else. 249 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: Did you tell the detectives what you saw? Yes? And 250 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: that was then, and then you never heard anything else 251 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: about it. Hold on just a moment before we hear 252 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: more of what is the state's single most important witness 253 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: as of right now. I want to thank our partner 254 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: who's making this program possible. It's legal Zoom. 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I would have been 300 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: thirteen years old, but my life had been really turned 301 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: upside down. Was my mom and dad getting divorced. And 302 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: I was just mean. I was just really really mean 303 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: back then. I was. I really was mean, And I 304 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: mean I've thought about this for forty four years, you know, 305 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: and I always wondered where she was buried at The 306 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: detective next told me, and so I want to go 307 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: out and visit her grave and tell her I'm sorry 308 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: because if it had been just a few minutes later, 309 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: I had been both cider. So what is your night 310 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: mayor repeat, what is the bad dreaming have? It's this 311 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: dream about her and the things that she has had 312 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: went through. The man who's done it. I can't see 313 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: his face, but I can see him, you know, his 314 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: face is It's like his face is black. But I 315 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: can't he would a sun. I wouldn't say he was skinny. 316 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: He was a meeting him built, maybe even a little 317 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: bit chunky. I couldn't tell because of the shirt. But 318 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 1: it just, um, it's just about her. I mean, she 319 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: was an angel and they should not have happened for her. 320 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: To Detective Morris Knicks, Cobb County Cole Case Unit, who's 321 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: made solving the disappearance of Debbie Randall his mission, what 322 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: do you make of Sandra's eyewitness account? What do you 323 00:19:53,480 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: think about that? Morris? I find we had other witnesses said. 324 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: I told my sister about a black truck being outside 325 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: and wondered what that black cruk was doing there, And 326 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: sure enough, Sandra told me immediately it was a black truck. 327 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: I saw a black truck. And I'm not a psychiatrist, 328 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm not a trichologist, but it was obvious to me 329 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: talking to Sandra, who was a street kid, by her 330 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: own admission, she really was having a hard time trying 331 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: to understand what a sweet, innocent little girl like Debbie 332 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: once she was taken and not her and she really 333 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: has a struggle with that, and she was very credible 334 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: in vericon, Sue, let's figure out what we can do, detective, 335 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: next to corroborate or um destroy, disprove what she's saying. 336 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: We know that a box of detergent was later found 337 00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: right there where the witness Sandra says it happened. In 338 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: my mind, that's some corroboration. Also, you mentioned that another 339 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: witness reported residents in the area I think stated there 340 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: was a dark pickup truck in the area around the 341 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: time Debbie disappears. Is that right correct? It was actually 342 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: a girl that was in the laundry mat with Debbie, 343 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: and when she went in, she told her older sister, 344 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: there's a black truck outside, and her sister told her, 345 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: will you know, mind your own business and you know, 346 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: do laundry, and so she said, I just kind of 347 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: forgot about it. And so we were looking at this 348 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: idea of a black truck, and sure enough, Sandra said, 349 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: who was a black truck? So you've got really three witnesses. 350 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: You've got the little girl, her sister, and Sandra. As 351 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: my understanding, some residents had seen it earlier. But are 352 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: you saying it's part right out right outside the laundry map? 353 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: She just said outside. She said it was outside. And 354 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: so there is a little bit. It's kind of hard 355 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: to fame, but what some people would call the front 356 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: of the people would all the side of the building. Um. 357 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: And but we had always looked at this idea of 358 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: a black truck. We know a little bit more about 359 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: the black truck. The pickup truck was said to have 360 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: driven right along first strate and then stop in front 361 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: of Debbie Randall's home, then backed up and turned into 362 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: a parking area beside the road where the detergent was found. 363 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: So there must have been some kind of intersection right 364 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: there there got a black truck. M hmm. Okay, that 365 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: narrows it down a little bit. Also, did anybody get 366 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: any idea of who any any even fleeting look at 367 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: who was driving the truck? Detective Knicks, No, Sandra was 368 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: the only person that we have been able to find 369 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: that that's really we think so the so Detective Morrison 370 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: Nick's based on what Sandra said, we're looking for a 371 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: white male, medium build, long pants and a shirt who 372 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: was driving that black pickup truck. And Debbie Randall was fighting. 373 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: She was kicking and clawing and pumping her fist. She 374 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: did not want to go after she disappeared that night. 375 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: What happened that night, Detective Nix? Uh, that night, of course, 376 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: when she didn't return, you know, when she wasn't found. Um, 377 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: that's when they obviously called the police department. And um, 378 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: what time do they call police? I think it was 379 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: promptly around eight o'clock. Eight. Wow, that's pretty fastly, Egan, 380 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: because she's leaving the laundry mat at seven seven thirty, 381 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: she's walking home, she gets abducted by this white mall 382 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: in a black pickup and all that's probably going down 383 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: around seven forty. By eight thirty police are are called. 384 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: A nine one one call has been made. That's less 385 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: than an hourly nine year old little girl, I mean, 386 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of awesome that they actually 387 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: started looking that fast, and you know, instead of labeling 388 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: her runaway or you know, just out playing her high. Well, 389 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: the fact of the detergent, What if any other clues 390 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: did you find at the same detective next other than 391 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: that's about it. Did you get the direction the direction 392 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: of vehicle was headed. There was two different ways that 393 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: could have gone. The way that we thought he most 394 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: likely went is the way that Sandra said the truck went. 395 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: Um which if you know anything about Cobb County and 396 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: you know we're lucky, um lacked is we think you 397 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: went up of what it cla story at the time. 398 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: Then uh, south cop got in front of bloke. Well 399 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: this is what I know. Four days later then Captain 400 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: Elliott reports police had checked out over three hundred phone 401 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: tips on Debbie's disappearance, and of course a lot of 402 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: crank calls. There were two ransom calls reported freaks pervs 403 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: asking for ransom that did not have Debbie, and they 404 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: were followed through. The people were caught. They didn't have Debbie. 405 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: They were just trying to get money. Then Detective Morris knicks, 406 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: there is a break in the case. Debbie's body is found. 407 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: What happened, Yeah, they formed a search committee and thousands 408 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: of people showed up. It had it had scared the 409 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: residents and people were angry. But they formed church committees 410 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: and beat a lot of students from Southern Tech volunteered 411 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: and they divided them up and sent them over to 412 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: um different areas. And it was a huge group, Detective 413 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: nixt I mean there were boy Scout groups, Army groups, 414 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: riding in motorcycle clubs, um all sorts of civic clubs 415 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: like the Rotary and Chambers of Commerce. Over five thousand 416 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: volunteers joined in the search. The headquarters placed HQ divided 417 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: Cobb County into marked areas and assigned each group an area. 418 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: Helicopters eving came in from Dobbin's Air Force Base to 419 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: help find Debbie randall Uh. There were a deluge of 420 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: offers of aid and Cobb County Police took everybody up 421 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: on it. And then comes Friday, January, the Mariatta Daily 422 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: Journal runs an editorial urging all Cobb County ins to 423 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: cooperate with Operation Debbie. It was foggy and rainy that 424 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: day when the largest search party ever to assemble in 425 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: Cobb County set out to look for Debbie, up to 426 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: five thousand people. What happened, Detective next I warned the students. 427 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: Mike han Um was walking into the woods at Powis 428 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: Ferry Road and he was with a fraternity group from 429 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: did you say Southern Tech? Southern Tech? And he noticed 430 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: that there seemed to be trail marks, the glass was unusual, 431 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: the weeds were different. So out of curiosity, being a 432 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: bright guy, he followed it and he said he saw 433 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: her body. And he said, I just froze. I did 434 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: not want to get close, and he stopped. I think 435 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: he told me about twenty five yards away, and he said, 436 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: I just knew it was her, obviously, and uh, at 437 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: that point the discovery was made. Detective next, who did 438 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: he call out to when he saw Debby's body? He 439 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: called one of his fraternity brothers who were down the road, 440 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: and Uh, it shook him to his core. And at 441 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: this time, Mike was also a Vietnam VETT. He had 442 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: already been to Vietnam prior to college. And so he said, 443 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: even this just shook me up. And I can see why. 444 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: Detective next, please described the way nine year old Debbie's 445 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: body was found. Uh, she had on her coat he 446 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: had and zipped up to her chin. Um. It was 447 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: obvious that Uh, it looked like she had been redressed 448 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: in a hurry, and she had been laying out in 449 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: the weather. It had been raining Um, she had, you know, 450 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: apparently been put there. That was not the scene of 451 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: a crime. She had been transported there. You say her 452 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: coat was zipped up to her chin, and she was 453 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: redressed in a hurry. Why do you say nine year 454 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: old Debbie Randall had been redressed in a hurry. We 455 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: felt that this had happened, Um, in a hurry because 456 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: she was disarrayed, obviously from lading out in the weather 457 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: in the woods. It was just very disarranged. Um, she 458 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: still had her socks on, her shoes were gone. Apparently 459 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: he had never removed her socks. Um, she had her 460 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: underwear own disarrayed, but it was on. And when you 461 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: say disarrayed, what do you mean by that? Just very 462 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: abnormal the way you would wear your clothes. Um. Kind 463 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: of hard to describe. What was the cause of death, strangulation. 464 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: She had been rudely assaulted. Uh. The Emmy's office said 465 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: that had he not strangled her, she would probably bled 466 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: to death. And it's just a horrific, horrific thought, the 467 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: thought of that child, nine year old Debbie Randall. It's 468 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: the age of my children being strangled dead, her clothes 469 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: hastily roughly put back on her body. The little girl 470 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: bleeding from a brutal sex attack, so ad, so badly 471 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: that the medical examiner believes she would have bled out 472 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: our body left there in the woods. 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They took soil samples 508 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: from her coat and from her clothes, and the soil 509 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: samples were very unique and these soil samples were sent 510 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: to the FBI, and the FBI analyze these soil sand samples, 511 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: and we, I say we they managed to match these 512 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: at a place called Dixie Casting Stone, which was about 513 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: quarter mile down the road from where she was found. 514 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: And after we started looking at this, we realized that 515 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: this was a very secluded place. Um, it was something 516 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: you would not unless you knew it was there. You 517 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: would not. You mean the company, the company, what's the 518 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: name of it again, Dixie cast and Stone. What is that? 519 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: What I mean? What is that? They make concrete forms? 520 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: What is that? Concrete forms? Um? They usually my thinking 521 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: on on bridges and roads and things of that nature. 522 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. I thought you meant like 523 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: bird baths and columns. Okay, so you mean giant industrial forms. 524 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: And since way off the road and you'd have to 525 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: know it was there, you would have to know it 526 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: was there, Nancy. In high school, I went up down 527 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: Powers Through Road and moves times. I never knew it 528 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: was there. When they said it was on Powers three Road, 529 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: I racked my brain trying to figure out where where 530 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: is it. It was a dirt drive at the time 531 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: that went off of the road. I think to its 532 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: apartment complex there. Now I'm with you on this, Detective next, 533 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: I've gone up and down powers Ferry Road. In fact, 534 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: my husband once lived off powers Ferry Road many many 535 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: years ago, and I did not know this was there either. 536 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: And I'm very curious, Detective Nixt, because this is very 537 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: um advanced science in crime scene analysis. You took soil 538 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: off her body, which had to be on her clothes, 539 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,959 Speaker 1: which had to be on her clothes or skin or hair, 540 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: and you got a soil sample, and then you somehow 541 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: tracked it back to Dixie cast in Stone. Now, what 542 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: about that soil sample made it different from the dirt 543 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: around her, the the what the ingredients and cement or what. 544 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: We were told that this particular it was actually sand. 545 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: This particular type of sand came from the Mississippi Louisiana area, UM, 546 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: and that's what made it unique. And I talked to 547 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: the owner of the company. They are still in business, 548 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: or not at that location, but they're still in business. 549 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 1: And I talked to his son and he said, oh yeah, 550 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: He said, you could have driven around behind those sand 551 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: pits in the back and nobody would have ever heard you. 552 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: But you would have had it was there. You would 553 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: have had to known that you could go black there, 554 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: and you would not be discovered. Where on her body 555 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: was the soil sample found? Was it on her clothes, 556 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: her skin, her vagina, her hair? Where was it predominant? 557 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: Came up for clothes, her clothes. That says to me 558 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: he took her out of the vehicle and actually assaulted 559 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: her there on the ground for her clothes. But interesting 560 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: if it didn't come off her body, very interesting, But 561 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: it tells me, like you said, the location where her 562 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: body was found was a tertiary crime scene. You've got 563 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: the car, it's primary, the kidnapping, this sex assault would 564 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: be there behind Dixie cast and stone because that soil 565 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: that's sand from the Louisiana or Mississippi area would be 566 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: nowhere else other than they're making the cement. And then 567 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: the tertiary scene, of course, is the disposal of the body. 568 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: Now who would know that. I'm just kind of overwhelmed 569 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: that you have managed to piece those puzzle, those pieces 570 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: of the puzzle together. I assume there was no surveillance video? Correct? Correct? Yeah? Man? 571 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: Was there a security watchman? No? Mm hmmm? And was 572 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: it locked? I mean could you get in and out? 573 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: There was no gate? And no, you could just drive 574 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: down there and there was really nothing. There's nothing to 575 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: steal then you could do and unless you wanted to 576 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: steal some sand, there's nothing to take. Okay, let me 577 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: let me think. Let me think. What else did we 578 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: learn from the body or anything around the body? Was 579 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: anything left behind a sock, um, d na um, anything 580 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: anything at all? A cigarette wrapper, a cigarette anything. The 581 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: only thing that we found, and I said we they 582 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: found at that time when they did find a pair 583 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: of glasses, Um, we had glasses. It was it was 584 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: next to the body. So you made adult reading glasses 585 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 1: or sunglasses or what. Yeah, they were beating glasses reading glasses. Huh. 586 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: And I assumed that they were analyzed to determine what 587 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: was the prescription for them, and then various uh tometrists 588 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: were checked to find out who would field it. We 589 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: are working on that. So that was not done at 590 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: the time. Is that correct? No, No, it was not 591 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: done at the time. That's a boo boo. But let's 592 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: be happy about the sand. Uh. So the glasses were 593 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: found by her body or at Dixie Casting Stone, by 594 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: her body, by her body? Anything else? Was there a 595 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: rag she had? Um she had in charty ragon or 596 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: vaginal area? Um, we be need that he did that 597 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: because she was bleeding profusely and he did not want 598 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: her to bleed in her truck. I believe that's why 599 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: he did that. Hold on, I'm just trying to get 600 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: this in my head. So that would have been that 601 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: would have occurred while she was alive, because once she 602 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: was dead, the nine year old little girl, the bleeding 603 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: wouldly have stopped because your heart is no longer pumping 604 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: blood through your body. So while she is alive, this 605 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: nine year old girl, the purp stuff's a rag in 606 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: her to stop the bleeding. Your belief is so she 607 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't bleed on his car. I believe that's why he 608 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: did it. Yeah, oh man, this is a death penalty 609 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,320 Speaker 1: case if there ever was one. So then he puts 610 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: her underwear and clothes back on over that. Correct, she 611 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: puts her underwear over the rag. Okay, let me let 612 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: me think. Let me think. So you've got the rag. 613 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: What kind of a rag was it? Was it a 614 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: bath wash cloth? Was it an industrial rag? Was one 615 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: of those things you wash your car with? What was it? 616 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: It was a pointed piece of cloth? Um? It was dirty, um, 617 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: greasy um. That makes me also think that probably it 618 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: came out of a vehicle that, um, you know, possible 619 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: work vehicles, like a machinery rag. No, it was a 620 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: machinery rag. It was just I don't know if it 621 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: came from a gown or from a sheet. Um. I've 622 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: never had watched an old cleaning like somebody tore it 623 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: apart like um, you know, to use as a dust 624 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: cloth or something, and then they used it applied to 625 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: like black grease for machineries. That what you're saying. And 626 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: I have often wondered, and I still wonder if he 627 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: thought she was dead, didn't realize she wasn't. And because 628 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: he stops like a quarter I mean just right down 629 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: the road and he takes her out in the woods. 630 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's why I think possibly worked there, 631 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: because he knew that if he left the body that 632 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,439 Speaker 1: it might come right back to him, that they would 633 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: look at im very very very clever detective knicks. So 634 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 1: he either worked there or had worked there, or knew 635 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: someone that worked there to know about it. The location, 636 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: and because a random killer just leaves the body, there 637 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,240 Speaker 1: is no transference to a third location. You killed the person, 638 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: you either rob or assault the person and leave the 639 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: body and high tell it. Okay, so this means a 640 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,439 Speaker 1: cover up. But why a cover up? Well, let me think. 641 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: Let me think about this rag. It was torn out 642 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: of a bigger piece of material, like a sheet or 643 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: a towel. You said it was printed. What was the print? Um? 644 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: It had just um little designs, kind of hard to describe. 645 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: I had little designs on it, Um designs of what nature? Flowers, stripes, 646 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: polka dots, paisley What if I it was flowers? Flowers, flowers? Okay, 647 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: let me just tell you right there, that came from 648 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: a woman, That came from a home, because well, not necessarily, 649 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: that could have come from anybody. But what guy is 650 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 1: going to go out and buy sheets with flowers on him? Nobody? 651 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: I know, maybe, but that indicates to me it came 652 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: from a family home. Um, it didn't come from a hotel. 653 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: Came from a family home where a woman was or 654 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: had been present at some point. All right, And you're 655 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: saying you think it was part of a sheet or 656 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: part of what possibly part of a sheet, a part 657 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: of a gown. Um, it was very dirty and um 658 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: that that's what we had on that. And what about DNA? 659 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: Forget the ride, what about DNA Okay, here, here's where 660 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: it gets interesting. Um, when we first got this case, 661 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: when we first looked at it, Um, that's of course 662 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: what we would know, is there anything? And we were 663 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: telling nope, it's been too long, we won't so well, 664 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: let's just try let's just give it a show. What 665 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 1: made you try it after all that time? Honestly it 666 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: was it was just let's try anything at this point, 667 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: even if it's not really rational, Let's try it anyway. 668 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: And John Dog was the case administrator or a lead 669 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: detective with our unit when said, John, let's let's contact 670 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: the DNA people and just see if we've got a chance. 671 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: So we sent it in and um, they did get 672 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: a DNA profile even after all these years, because Mary 673 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 1: had a police department had preserved that evidence. Thank goodness. 674 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: Hold all right, right there, I want to say something 675 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: all we ever hear about is oh so and so 676 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: lost the evidence. They destroyed the evidence. They did this, 677 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: They messed up the evidence, they touched it, they contaminated it. 678 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: That is abnormal. That is the aberration that normally doesn't happen. 679 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: And because Cobb County preserved the evidence, you submitted this 680 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: for a DNA profile, you know the public that you 681 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: know you see it on TV. You only it's like 682 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: you don't call the cable company to say, hey, you 683 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,479 Speaker 1: guys did an awesome job today because I gotta watch murder. 684 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: She wrote, awesome. You only call when you're angry or 685 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: it's not working right. So it's just like the news. 686 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: You see the bad news because you don't want to 687 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: hear Oh, it's a sunny, beautiful day outside headline. No, 688 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 1: So what people hear about are the aberrations of when 689 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: evidence gets screwed up up or somebody intentionally messes up 690 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: or negligently messes it up. The norm is it's not 691 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:15,399 Speaker 1: messed up now, thank you Heaven, because this evidence was preserved. Now, 692 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: tell me about what happens when you decide to try 693 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 1: to get a match. We send in the cloth the underwear. Um, 694 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: we got a DNA profile from the perpetrator, from the perpetrator, 695 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,720 Speaker 1: not from nine year old Debby from the killer. Okay, 696 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: go ahead, correct, we've got it from the perpetrator of 697 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: the underwear. And um, and I assume it's not blooded semen. Correct. 698 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: And John called me and said, we got we got 699 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: a profile. Oh my stars, hold on just a minute, 700 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: detective next. Every time I talked to you, something you 701 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: say gives me chills. And right now I've got him. 702 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: I can just see you pulling over and they say, 703 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: we gotta profile. I just it's kind of hard to describe. Um, 704 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: I was actualing my way to a fishing tournament lake 705 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: you follow, and um, I don't think my mind ever 706 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,879 Speaker 1: lived that second the whole time I was there. So 707 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, we were gonna run this through uh 708 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: a database now from a database, and we're gonna get 709 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 1: a hit, and this is, you know, case closed. Well, 710 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: we didn't get a hit, and there's a lot of speculation. 711 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: And one thing I'd like to say, Nancy, is I 712 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: know this long shot. I know it is. I know 713 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:50,240 Speaker 1: that the probabilities are not good but possible. And people 714 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: say to me, why don't you let it go? You 715 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: know it's been years. If he's alive, he's you know, 716 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: and tell them miss it. For me, this is no 717 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,879 Speaker 1: longer about conviction as much as it is closure. 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