1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: The world's climate is changing and the impacts are being 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: felt worldwide. 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 3: Record setting temperatures topping one hundred and four degrees, fueling 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: raging fires across London. A record amount of rain fell 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 3: on Manila on Saturday. 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 4: The partly submerged city of jung Jao It's subway system 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 4: now an underground river. This is a fire that erupted 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 4: during the morning rush hour along the busiest interstate there in. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 3: The New York City subway system shut down overnight. 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: But while severe weather events in wealthier nations around the 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: world gets the majority of headlines, there are parts of 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: the African continent where the effects can be worse than 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: even their neighbors without getting global attention. 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: Around informal settlements, there is no electricity there, sanitation, it's 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: not that good that times leaves no water. 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 4: About ten percent of the population, which is oftentimes white, 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 4: owning the range of eighty percent of the country's wealth. 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: On this episode of the Next Africa podcast, we'll look 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: at the environmental inequality in South Africa and what's being 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: done to help communities facing up to the reality of 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: climate change. I'm Jennifer's Abasaga and this is the Next 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: Africa podcast, bringing you one story each week from the continent, 24 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: driving the future of global growth with the context only 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: Bloomberg can provide. And Tondo Taquana is a Bloomberg reporter 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: based in Johannesburg and she's been reporting on this story 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: for quite some time. She's joining us now this week 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: for the podcast and Tondo, thanks so much for being 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: with us. 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: So let's just start here. 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: What has been the impact of climate change on South Africa? 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: What kind of weather events are we seeing and have 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 3: been increased here over the past few years. 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of floods, the floods of April 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, if I'm not mistaken, in a case 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: at n that basically just damaged infrastructure, left a lot 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: of people homeless. We also saw another big one in 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: Cape Town earlier this year, same situation there. 39 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: But we're also. 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 1: Seeing very extreme heat events causing a lot of heat 41 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: stress on human bodies. 42 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: So that's just some of. 43 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: The unusual way the patterns that we are seeing that 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: are having a real impact on health, on just livability 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: in some areas. And what we have heard also is 46 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: that there's really an impact on economic activity as well. 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: A lot of people when they suffer from these consequences 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: of climate change, they are unable to work to their 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: optimum levels because there's bodily stress involved. And if you 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: look at sexes such as the agricultural sectors. This year 51 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: we did have a very hot February with high temperature 52 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: records broken in some parts of the country and that 53 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: was causing some damage to crops. So those are some 54 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: of the economic losses that we see in Kanda. 55 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: There's been a report from the World Bank about how 56 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: the heat isn't experienced equally in South Africa. 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 3: Dig into that a bit more for us if you can. 58 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: So the World Bank reports it included. 59 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: A heat mapping campaign and that saw fifty eight local 60 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: community members travel different routes from where they live to 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: different parts of the city. They it fits heat sensors 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: onto vehicles and they'd be tracking eight temperatures along the way. 63 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: And what that report has found is that in urban 64 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: censers like your Johannesburg twenty, not necessarily informal settlements or townships, 65 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: the temperature difference between those areas and neighboring countryside neighborhoods is. 66 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: Between three to four degrees. 67 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Celsius, but when you come to townships, the differential is 68 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: basically doubled, so they experience temperatures as high as sixty 69 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: six degrees celsius. And they've also found that inside a 70 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: tinshak the temperature is also eight degrees higher than in 71 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: homes that are situated in wealthier neighborhoods. And in terms 72 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: of how many hot nights these neighborhoods could be facing, 73 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: the disparacies quite large as well. In urban centers, where 74 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: you've got urban homes that are properly insulated, the building 75 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: quality is great. There are trees all around, so they 76 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: bar me these like greeze constantly. Those neighborhoods would experience 77 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: forty uncomfortably hot nights by twenty fifty, and in comparison, 78 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: homes in poorer neighborhoods would experience as much as one 79 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty hot nights. 80 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: And I think we should point out the fact that homes, 81 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned the ten homes. There's a lot 82 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: of differences depending on what types of homes people are 83 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: living with in South Africa, which is not necessarily common. 84 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: In a lot of the developed world, so these extreme 85 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: weather events can have an extreme impact on what is 86 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: happening and how they're feeling inside the home. 87 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, definitely. 88 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: If you go into an informal settlement, you'll find that 89 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: most of the homes are built out of corrugated iron 90 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: sheets and these are mostly makeshift homes, so there isn't 91 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: like proper engineering or proper construction that is applied. And 92 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: it's one of the issues that some of the city 93 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: planners were raising in terms of how to regulate indoor temperatures. 94 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: Because when you decide to build a structure, you take 95 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: you're building plants through the municipality. The indoor temperature regulations 96 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: are sort of built into the planning process, whereas in 97 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: informal settlements, which are typically illegally set up, there isn't 98 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: any sort of regulation and they are tightly packed together. 99 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: It's crowded, it's just alleyways, the streets are very narrow, 100 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: and the spacing issue means that they can't actually plant 101 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: a lot of tree, which is a big issue because 102 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: it's very expensive sometimes to actually try and build in 103 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: your own mitigation risks in your home or your neighborhood. 104 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: If you plant trees. 105 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's an inexpensive way of how to deal 106 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: with these issues. But in informal settlements, those are poor 107 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: communities that can't afford air conditioners and other cooling equipment. 108 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: And for this reporting in Tondo, you went inside a 109 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: lot of these townships. I mean you went to go 110 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: visit them and talk to people. What did they tell 111 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: you about this? I'm sure for many of them this 112 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: is just what they've always experienced. But I wonder how 113 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: they've seen changes happen, how, yeah, these extreme events are 114 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: affecting them on a day to day basis. 115 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: We actually visited a lady called Nolatando Geja. She lives 116 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: in an informal settlement just in Twine, which is north 117 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: of Johannesburg. 118 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 4: Her home is a two roomed wall. 119 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: Structure, but the roof is corrugated, is a corrugated iron sheets. 120 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 4: It's very tiny. It's very tiny. 121 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: If I had to estimate, probably like the room we 122 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: were in, which is her kitchen, was probably like ten 123 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: feet at most. And what she said to me was 124 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: that it's just frustrating to be in such a small space. 125 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: She doesn't have many options for cooling, and at night 126 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: it gets exacerbated. I remember she said it actually does 127 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: have an emotional toll on her. She lives with three 128 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: kids in that small structure, and she was saying, I 129 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: just find myself. 130 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 4: Screaming at these kids because it's just so hot. I'm frustrated. 131 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: It's like stressing me. 132 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: And I think what also compounds this issue in those 133 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: particular areas is the lack of basic services. Unsustainable electricity supply, 134 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: unsustainable water supply. I mean, in situations like that, you 135 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: need water to alleviate some of the stresses that come 136 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: with the heat that is just engulfing you. 137 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 4: Basically, the problem. 138 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: Is also that there's like a rapid urbanization that's happening, 139 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: so more and more people are coming into these informal 140 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: settlements and they actually end up cutting them down, cutting the. 141 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 4: Trees down to make space for more checks. 142 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: Basically, stick with us in Tondo. 143 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll talk about what if anything, 144 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: is being done to help people like know Lutando you 145 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: were just describing there, So we'll be right back. Welcome 146 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: back today on the podcast, we're talking about the impact 147 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: of climate change on disadvantaged communities in South Africa. Our 148 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: reporter in Tondo Taquanta is still with us and Tondo. 149 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: What is the South. 150 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: African government saying about this? 151 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: Do they accept there's a problem and we should caveat 152 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: this by saying there's historical ties to these settlements in 153 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: these townships. 154 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, the government does recognize that this is a problem. 155 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: In fact, part of the reasoning on the retional behind 156 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: this study was to come up with strategies that could 157 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: be given to municipalities to adopt in their own plans 158 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: for how they could proof cities and townships and informal settlements. 159 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 4: Against the risks of climate change. 160 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: This particular study, they worked with the National Treasury, which 161 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: through fiscal transfers, is helping municipalities do this. In fact, 162 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: there's work that the Human Settlement's Department is doing. That's 163 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: the department responsible for housing and building homes for people. 164 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 4: There's a specific. 165 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: Informal settlement upgrading grants that's aimed at upgrading informal settlements 166 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: of South Africa so that people have housing, proper housing. 167 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: So basically they take them out of these informal structures 168 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: and build homes for them, and the National Treasury is 169 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: actually advocating for them to think about climate risk strategies 170 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: or climate resilience strategies so that they can actually apply 171 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: them in building these houses. So there is work that 172 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: is being done, and there are also heat action plan 173 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: and that cities are expected to adopt. In fact, one 174 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: was approved in the city of Cape Town And they 175 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: are doing work such as coming up with. 176 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: Alert systems for when they expect there. 177 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: To be like an extreme heat wave and basically educating 178 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: dwellers of these places for how to deal with the 179 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: risks of climate change. And they're also encouraging them to 180 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: go on these huge planting drives so that they can 181 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: increase the vegetation around them. 182 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: And when it comes to the infrastructure, do we know 183 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: exactly what it is that needs to be implemented into 184 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: these townships. 185 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: There are some ideas that have been thrown around. One 186 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: obvious one is painting the rules of these structures with 187 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: white paints so as to increase the amount of heat 188 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: that can be trapped. In terms of the infrastructure, that 189 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: is some of what is being suggested more ventilation as 190 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: well as some of it. 191 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: And what's the likelihood that will actually see some change, 192 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: Because I mean, this is a pretty large issue that 193 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: needs to be handled and tackle. 194 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: It's very difficult because even if you think about like 195 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier. 196 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 4: That this is a legacy issue. 197 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: South Africa has been trying to sort out, you know, 198 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: its housing crisis for thirty years, and they have not 199 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: been able to break this inequality when it comes to 200 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: its special divide that sees black people basically left to 201 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: the margins of the city, which is where people feel 202 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: the most adverse effect of climate change. I'd be less 203 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: hopeful that this can be done very quickly because of 204 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: the fact that historically, even just the housing crisis has 205 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: been very difficult to sort out. But at the same time, 206 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: I think one can be encouraged that they are actually 207 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: thinking about how the impacts of climate change affect people, 208 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: and that they are making a more concerted effort to 209 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: make sure that there's budgeting for it and to make 210 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: sure that municipalities following some of these strategies that they 211 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: are suggesting. 212 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: And we hear from a number of climate strategists saying 213 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: that of course this stream weather it's going to continue 214 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: if the right mitigation measures aren't put in place. What's 215 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: the outlook then for these communities, And I wonder when 216 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: you speak to them, how do they feel about the 217 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: issue now and maybe where it's headed towards if something's 218 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: not done. 219 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: To be honest, while it is a worry, they worry 220 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: it more about the lack of basic services. I feel 221 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: like for them that is a far reach. The first 222 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: thing that they want to see is running water in 223 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: the community that I went too. 224 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 4: Specifically, when you. 225 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: Walk into the streets, you literally see open sewer trickling 226 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: down the streets and the stench is quite strong. And 227 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: what a Nolusando kept on saying, or keeps on emphasizing, 228 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: was the fact that it just stinks and it's worse 229 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: when it becomes hotter and hotter, and sorting that issue 230 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: out first would be the price for them. So yeah, 231 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: I think there's still a bit far from actually thinking 232 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: about how does weigha affect me? Infect some of them 233 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,599 Speaker 1: are actually oblivious to how the impetsul climate change affect them. 234 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just trying to get through the here and 235 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: now before thinking about the future. 236 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: And Tondo, fantastic reporting. 237 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us and a really 238 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 2: fascinating read that everybody should check out. 239 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: And Tondo thanks sure, Thank you, Jo and Tondo, thanks 240 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: so much. 241 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: For joining US and for your reporting on this story, 242 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: and you can read in Tondo's story on Bloomberg News. 243 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: We'll put a link into our show notes some other 244 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: stories we're watching in the region this week. Germany has 245 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: now detected two potential cases of the Marlburg virus. The 246 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 2: highly contagious disease mainly found in Africa, has seen in 247 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 2: upticking cases as of recent According to the WHO, the 248 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: virus has a fatality rate of as much as eighty 249 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 2: eight percent. And Ethiopia has asked holders of its one 250 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: billion dollar bond to take an eighteen percent loss in 251 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 2: a debt restructuring strategy. 252 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 3: The influential group of investors. 253 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: Including the likes of Morgan Stanley, Asset Management and New 254 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: State Partners, has already rejected such an offer in advance. 255 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: You can follow these stories across Bloomberg, including the Next 256 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: African Newsletter. We'll also put a link to that in 257 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: the show notes. This program was produced by Adrian Bradley. 258 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: Don't forget to follow and review the show wherever you 259 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: usually get your podcast. I'm Jennifer's Abasanja. Thanks for listening.