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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, October ninth, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen, episode number
Speaker 1: fifty six. Welcome to another edition of The Break, live
Speaker 1: from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. We've
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff to get into today. Yesterday
Speaker 1: was pretty explosive. Today may not be as explosive, but
Speaker 1: it'll be a day for some perspective. I think. I
Speaker 1: think today will be the day when, instead of jumping
Speaker 1: off the ledge, we will give you the reasons why
Speaker 1: maybe you shouldn't jump off the ledge and give some
Speaker 1: perspective to what you're seeing so far this season through
Speaker 1: five games where we export Oh, it was definitely, it was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty It was definitely explosives. Talking cowboys. Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That's because we all like each other and we get along.
Speaker 1: Talking cowboys gets contentious about whether or not it's raining outside,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's nothing new. Like we we disagree, but
Speaker 1: we disagree friendly, like we we're friends. We can have
Speaker 1: a discussion that we disagree, Right, So let's get into it. Um.
Speaker 1: I guess the first thing I want to get to
Speaker 1: today is just talk a little bit about this NFC East.
Speaker 1: I mentioned it yesterday, um and as and I know
Speaker 1: Dave doesn't like this conversation because as bad as the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are, I don't think you like even mentioning the
Speaker 1: fact of where they sit in a bad division. But
Speaker 1: right now they are only half a game out of
Speaker 1: first place, UM in the NFC East right now watching
Speaker 1: US two and two after they get blasted last night,
Speaker 1: which I don't know that anybody couldn't have seen that
Speaker 1: coming to some degree when when Brady's I mean when
Speaker 1: when Breeze is going for this record and and they're
Speaker 1: at home in New Orleans, just everything about that, as
Speaker 1: they were talking about in the pregame, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: has a beat down written all over it, and that's
Speaker 1: exactly what they got last night. But it was cool
Speaker 1: to see Drew Brees get that record. That was really cool. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I covered the Cowboys. I don't really. I
Speaker 1: don't know very much about the Saints anymore, but you know,
Speaker 1: I turned it on and I grew up watching Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: It was super I mean I got a little emotional
Speaker 1: watching him do it was cool. Yeah, a little missed it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the most important athlete in New Orleans history.
Speaker 1: And I know it's I said this on Twitter last night, like,
Speaker 1: I know it's cheesy, but he really does mean a
Speaker 1: lot to that city in a very non sports way.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was cool. I mean it's weird to
Speaker 1: think that like one of the you know, handful of
Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks ever to play is came from the Saints.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't think of the Saints as a
Speaker 1: laughing stock anymore because of him, which we certainly did.
Speaker 1: We certainly they certainly were for a long time. So
Speaker 1: it was cool. The moment with his son at Sons,
Speaker 1: I thought was pretty cool. That was that was pretty emotional,
Speaker 1: just having that that opportunity to see him with his
Speaker 1: sons during that time. But going back to the NFC,
Speaker 1: East Washington loses last night. They're two and two and
Speaker 1: two Cowboys at two and three are sitting in second place,
Speaker 1: tied with the Eagles, but one game. I guess they
Speaker 1: have the tie break over them at this point because
Speaker 1: they did win one division game against the Giants, and
Speaker 1: nobody's any good I'm not trying to right, and then
Speaker 1: the Giants are at one and four laying I know.
Speaker 1: One point is that you know the two and three
Speaker 1: two into whatever, Like nobody's really running away with anybody.
Speaker 1: Like nobody looks to be explosive on any side of
Speaker 1: the ball. I think Washington's offense is Washington looks a
Speaker 1: lot like Dallas to me with their offense. You know
Speaker 1: that they just don't have a lot of explosive players there.
Speaker 1: Their defense looks pretty aggressive, but they definitely got burned
Speaker 1: last night. But like you said, that was kind of
Speaker 1: a hornessness that they were walking into there. There was
Speaker 1: no way that Drew Brees and Sean Payton weren't going
Speaker 1: to get that job done. I don't know who number
Speaker 1: ten is, but he looks like he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: problem for a while. Trey Kwon Smith or see from
Speaker 1: us you see f he's a third round pick, which
Speaker 1: third picks abounds doing third round picks don't make me. Hey,
Speaker 1: they don't have Drew Brees. I guarantee if Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: was streaping streaking down the sideline without a defender within
Speaker 1: twenty yards of thinking, that's a touchdown for him too.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was ridiculous. But you look at
Speaker 1: this entire division, it's pretty bad. I mean, you look
Speaker 1: at this relative to the other division. It's the only
Speaker 1: division in football right now that doesn't have a team
Speaker 1: with a winning record. The top team in the division
Speaker 1: is at five hundred and uh and you look at
Speaker 1: just a total number of wins. I think they're two games,
Speaker 1: two wins less than the next closest team. Right now,
Speaker 1: the NFC East looks pretty bad. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think he's still got to worry about the Eagles. I
Speaker 1: mean they're gonna you know, Carson Wentz, he'll eventually I think,
Speaker 1: be okay ast a running back season. Well okay, well
Speaker 1: the other three running backs they got a few, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think and sorry I did hear that
Speaker 1: room up? Go ahead, yeah, Nick, nick Foles. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's no different than anybody else. I mean, just
Speaker 1: like Dak and these other guys, these defensive cord I mean,
Speaker 1: they are what they are for a reason they can
Speaker 1: you know, hit, I can straight gold for a little
Speaker 1: bit and get hot and all that, But for the
Speaker 1: most part of mean, he is what he is. And
Speaker 1: so I think Philadelphia Wentz they play with Wins, I
Speaker 1: think they'll be the team to beat. Here's one thing
Speaker 1: I do wonder though, and we've seen this happen before
Speaker 1: with this teaming with other teams. You change the coach,
Speaker 1: you change the guy who's making the calls, and sometimes
Speaker 1: things change up. Frank Ryk, who was calling their offensive
Speaker 1: plays last year now the head coach in the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 1: How much does that affect Wins and the monster run
Speaker 1: he was on last year? How much does that affect him?
Speaker 1: I know Dave Peterson's I mean, I'm sorry David Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson really good coach and obviously a good offensive mind.
Speaker 1: But I wonder how much that can that can affect him.
Speaker 1: And don't forget either that the Filippo, the guy who
Speaker 1: calls the plays in Minnesota, now was his quarterbacks coach.
Speaker 1: So good point. Both of the guys that had their
Speaker 1: hands on him the most are gone. And I agree
Speaker 1: with Nick, I think Wins is going to be fine.
Speaker 1: I would still give Philly the nod as the team
Speaker 1: to beat. But also, like, the thing that troubles me
Speaker 1: with them is not wins because he's coming back off
Speaker 1: in ACL. It's their defense. Honestly, that's classic Super Bowl
Speaker 1: hangover is you know, you let Vinnie Curry go, you
Speaker 1: let um Who else did they kick off of that line?
Speaker 1: I know they let I think two of them are
Speaker 1: in Tampa now. I can't remember Vinny Curry's going. They
Speaker 1: did relace, Yeah, no, they did, but it new pieces
Speaker 1: and then Rodney McLoud goes down with an injury, and
Speaker 1: their secondary all of a sudden looks like it sucks.
Speaker 1: Jalen Mills is having his struggles. Malcolm Jenkins is a
Speaker 1: good player, but he can't do it all himself. So
Speaker 1: there appear to be some really serious flaws there. Like
Speaker 1: I would guess they'll probably get it together, but they've
Speaker 1: already lost as many games as they did all of
Speaker 1: last season. And you know, the Giants are, uh, they're
Speaker 1: interesting because you know, they went to Carolina and they
Speaker 1: put up some points there late in the game of
Speaker 1: me lost pretty well three yard field goal. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, they good enough to win, They've got issues
Speaker 1: in locker room obviously with with Odell and talking and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But I think they're gm.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the front office is starting
Speaker 1: to figure it out because they decided to part ways
Speaker 1: with Eric Flower. So that makes me think that, you
Speaker 1: know what, they're actually getting it there, because I don't
Speaker 1: now they do think they can get a trade for it. No,
Speaker 1: I think they were just putting it out there like, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, we're cutting this guy. Anybody wants him,
Speaker 1: I don't care if anybody wants him, just let us know.
Speaker 1: Otherwise we're cutting him. Yeah, who's gonna say, oh, I'll
Speaker 1: take that. Oh? I don't know, But I think that
Speaker 1: was kind of there. That was kind of their last
Speaker 1: dit Jefford, just to say, yeah, we're making this move.
Speaker 1: If anybody should happen to want him, it's anyone jumping
Speaker 1: onto the mailbag with that, because any anybody that gets
Speaker 1: put out there, they say, hey, what about the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Did anyone do that? But Brian was giving me crap
Speaker 1: about it this morning, like I'm not the mailbag guy anymore.
Speaker 1: Rob's been doing it this season, And Brian was like,
Speaker 1: you haven't even looked in the mail bag this year,
Speaker 1: have you? And I was like, no, Rob's on top
Speaker 1: of it. Ware you go Rob so nice him And
Speaker 1: you came back and said, that's because I'm reading your
Speaker 1: st Yeah. I was like, I was like, I do
Speaker 1: plenty of stuff, Like I'm sorry that I'm not doing
Speaker 1: the mail bag. Brian just loves to find ways to
Speaker 1: needle me about things. One other questions about the East.
Speaker 1: You think any chance that the Redskins at the end
Speaker 1: of the season are going to be at the top
Speaker 1: of this division? I mean the only team I don't
Speaker 1: think the Giants will be at the top of the division.
Speaker 1: Everybody else I could see, which it's weird. That's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say is I got to readjust my
Speaker 1: mindset because from Okay, the Cowboys were great in OH seven,
Speaker 1: and then the Giants won the Super Bowl, and then
Speaker 1: the Giants were like pretty good in O eight, but
Speaker 1: not as good as they should have been. Probably the
Speaker 1: same goes for the Cowboys, obviously, but then from like
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine to thirteen, you were just trading
Speaker 1: one team having decent season and everybody else kind of sucking.
Speaker 1: And then from eleven to thirteen it was everybody sucked
Speaker 1: I mean, this makes I said this last night on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of twenty thirteen. Cowboys were trading wins
Speaker 1: and losses and they didn't look very good, but it
Speaker 1: was like, well, who who else is any good? Like
Speaker 1: everybody else sucks too, so they're gonna beat each other up.
Speaker 1: Which but then from fourteen to seventeen it wasn't like
Speaker 1: that because the Cowboys were great in fourteen, they were
Speaker 1: terrible in fifteen, so we weren't even talking about this.
Speaker 1: They were great in sixteen, and the Eagles started nine
Speaker 1: and one last year, so you haven't had this problem
Speaker 1: where there wasn't a good team. But fifteen was very
Speaker 1: similar to this. As bad as the Cowboys were that year,
Speaker 1: they weren't out of it. They weren't very end who
Speaker 1: won it and which, which I think they wanted at
Speaker 1: like nine and seven though, like they weren't great. I
Speaker 1: just looked at that, at that offense, I just I
Speaker 1: just don't see the guys there that all. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously they have holes in defense because they got you know,
Speaker 1: they got put up forty something points on them last night,
Speaker 1: But I just don't think their offense is going to
Speaker 1: be good enough to like win a bunch of games. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't really know what they're doing and
Speaker 1: running back seems like and think different guys and receivers.
Speaker 1: Nobody really scares you there, And I think I agree
Speaker 1: with you, but I'm not ready to rule them out.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, no, And they've you know, they beat
Speaker 1: the Packers, not in the Packers look surprisingly bad too,
Speaker 1: So maybe that's not this amazing win. But we'll see.
Speaker 1: These division games will come down and it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Division football games to be played.
Speaker 1: I mean, am I wrong by saying that it's just
Speaker 1: Dallas and the Giants. Has anybody else played within the division?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I think Eagles and Me
Speaker 1: play the Giants on Thursday night. Thursday night. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I think when you when you break it down
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, I think the teams
Speaker 1: that are going to be the division that's going to
Speaker 1: be one of the best in football, I think is
Speaker 1: going to be the AFC South. I do think Jacksonville
Speaker 1: will be there. Tennessee looks pretty good. They've kind of
Speaker 1: taken Aldle step back. Well, Houston's yeah, that's truly lost
Speaker 1: to the Bills in Houston. I think he's actually moving
Speaker 1: up'll do it, um, you know, I'm just saying. And
Speaker 1: they have faced them a lot. This division has faced
Speaker 1: that division a lot this first month. I think the
Speaker 1: NFCS North is going to be the toughest division when
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Thing. Wow, we all disagree. I think the
Speaker 1: NFC North really yeah. I mean, the Bears are the
Speaker 1: hottest team in football, or well, the Chiefs, but the
Speaker 1: Bears are hot. The Packers have Rogers. I don't as
Speaker 1: long as they got them out. Yeah, and then the
Speaker 1: Vikings are stacked so and the and the Lions are
Speaker 1: not a pushover they never will be. I kind of
Speaker 1: agree with that. But I think just because the Browns
Speaker 1: are now actually playing decent football, I think you could
Speaker 1: say the same thing across the board about the AF.
Speaker 1: The Bengals look really good. Wait, I mean really, is
Speaker 1: the the NFC East one of the two or three
Speaker 1: worst divisions of football? Maybe the worst? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: having other than maybe if you want to put the
Speaker 1: NFC South in there. NFC South is having gets struggles.
Speaker 1: Outside of the Rams, they really got nothing. Sorry interesting West,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry NFC West. If unless other than the Rams.
Speaker 1: They really got nothing else on another team of the
Speaker 1: winning record that I would throw the AFC East in there.
Speaker 1: They've been they have the best team in football, but
Speaker 1: they've been garbage for twenty years, Like that same team
Speaker 1: in that division is any good? And that's the thing
Speaker 1: about it is right now everybody can just get their
Speaker 1: ass kicked. Everybody can you who's the best team in football?
Speaker 1: The paid tricks is that? Who? Just? Well I meant
Speaker 1: over the last year and I agree with you one
Speaker 1: d percent. That's who I thought you were talking about.
Speaker 1: Two the same team. They got wrecked by the Lions,
Speaker 1: and you know, and the Vikings look pretty good, but
Speaker 1: the Bills smashed them. And you know, everybody's kind of
Speaker 1: had one. And then is it this week that the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and Rams play? No, it's next month, next month.
Speaker 1: Oh that's in Mexico. Yeah, yep, I thought I just
Speaker 1: saw a promo for it. I didn't know if it
Speaker 1: was this coming up or not. Unless you're a Chiefs,
Speaker 1: Rams or maybe Bengals fan, you don't have a And well,
Speaker 1: the Bears, because they've been they've played so much beingles
Speaker 1: are gonna disappoint. They're gonna disappoint them why. I mean,
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is why he's playing great. Okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying they won. They've won that division like three out
Speaker 1: of the last five. It's the playoffs where they have
Speaker 1: their struggles. They do something. They not saying they're gonna
Speaker 1: win a play about some things in a regular season.
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. I just don't. You
Speaker 1: just don't like him. No, I don't dislike him. I
Speaker 1: just don't ahead he come from any get no, where'd
Speaker 1: he come from? Where did he come from? I think
Speaker 1: he's from Rockwall. No, where'd you go to college? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Not a fan. I think that has a
Speaker 1: little bit. I just know it doesn't that not that
Speaker 1: point Amber pointed this out last. I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't use those preconceived notions in an
Speaker 1: NFL season because you said that about the Eagles last
Speaker 1: year and they went thirteen and three and won Super Bowl. Right,
Speaker 1: let's put it. Let's put it out there. What the Bengals,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's they're probably. I mean they already have
Speaker 1: four wins. They're a ten win team, and that's that'll
Speaker 1: get you to the playoffs. I don't know if that want,
Speaker 1: you just see what happens at that point, right, you
Speaker 1: get to playoffs. Well, they be in the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1: I doubt it. I doubt it. But and that's just
Speaker 1: based on history sittings. That's just me taking the field, like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: who the hell knows. But the thing about that is
Speaker 1: is that they they play in probably the most physical division.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Ravens, the Browns have gotten their defenses
Speaker 1: really well. Yeah, and the Steelers, of course, it is
Speaker 1: tough to to do anything really from that division just
Speaker 1: because they be each other up. So I just history
Speaker 1: tells me that the Bengals probably won't sustain it. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our first break when we come back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk number one wide receiver Jerry and Stevens
Speaker 1: certainly have and they had some interesting things to say.
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break, Welcome back. It is the second
Speaker 1: segment of The Break live from the s WBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: studios at the Star. We're gonna talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about receivers. Number one wide receivers to be exact yesterday Nick,
Speaker 1: you had an interview that you did with Steven. We're
Speaker 1: gonna play a clip from that. But also this morning
Speaker 1: on one on five dot three of the fan here
Speaker 1: in Dallas, Jerry had his morning talk with the guys
Speaker 1: over there and they were asked and Jerry was talking
Speaker 1: about the wide receiver position and basically said, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: haven't had a number one receiver for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: a few years. Let's listen to that quote that you
Speaker 1: and Steven had though, because I want to I want
Speaker 1: to dive into this conversation after we hear that there's
Speaker 1: not a silver bullet here. We've got to go to work.
Speaker 1: There's no number one receivers laying around on the street
Speaker 1: out there, so we've just got to get to work.
Speaker 1: And give us the context of that Nick you were
Speaker 1: doing the interview I had asked him. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about number one receivers all off season and
Speaker 1: that the thought was that you could get this done
Speaker 1: by committee. After seeing the first five games and seeing
Speaker 1: what Houston's number one receiver did single handedly, do you
Speaker 1: still feel like you know that you don't have a
Speaker 1: number one you need one? And he basically said doesn't
Speaker 1: matter because there's not one out there. And I think
Speaker 1: everybody knows exactly. I mean, if you're reading between the lines,
Speaker 1: everyone knows what that means and what he's saying. I
Speaker 1: don't even know your name, but they forgot it. I
Speaker 1: think they have forgotten his name now or they don't
Speaker 1: want to. I mean, basically, and let's go with what's
Speaker 1: what Jerry said too, I mean, and help us out
Speaker 1: with that. But I mean they're basically saying Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: is not going to fix this problem. He is not
Speaker 1: a number one receiver. So don't don't bring up that.
Speaker 1: But do you have you have Jerry's quote written down? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't have the exact quote. It was Cowboys haven't
Speaker 1: had a true number one bide receiver in years. That
Speaker 1: was part of the quote. I actually, so that's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that for them, that's the gist of it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: saying he's talking about yeah, and here's the deal. And
Speaker 1: I went back and obviously you hear that, and at
Speaker 1: first you raise your eyebrows, but really, if you go
Speaker 1: back and you look at the numbers all the way
Speaker 1: back until probably twenty fourteen or not, probably two thousand
Speaker 1: and fourteen was the last time Dez had numbers that
Speaker 1: reflected a true number one wide receiver. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: in the top ten in categories. Did the math receiving
Speaker 1: and and and touchdowns and yards. I did the math
Speaker 1: when I wrote the story about Jerry's comments. Over the
Speaker 1: three years after he signed his seventy million dollars deal
Speaker 1: after the fourteen season and the three years after that,
Speaker 1: he averaged fifty catches for six hundred and seventy eight
Speaker 1: yards and six touchdowns per year, which those are great
Speaker 1: numbers if you're not on a seventy million dollar contract. Yep.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's I kind of look at it like,
Speaker 1: and you know, further, I would have loved to have
Speaker 1: seen them negotiate something with Dez where they brought his
Speaker 1: number down and kept him here. I think he would
Speaker 1: probably still be the best receiver on this offense. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that that it didn't raise my eyebrows that much because
Speaker 1: I was like, well, yeah, like, obviously they feel that way.
Speaker 1: They cut him when and his numbers bear it out too.
Speaker 1: Were what year was it. We sat there and we
Speaker 1: did the interview in his in Jerry's office, and they
Speaker 1: signed him to the extension. When was that It was
Speaker 1: the summer of fifteen, Okay, the summer of fifteen, So fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 1: and seventeen, yes, so he said for the last three years,
Speaker 1: so they he didn't specify years several years I was
Speaker 1: playing out. Those three years have been the three years
Speaker 1: that his numbers didn't reflect him being a number one receiver.
Speaker 1: Then you know what, You know that they paid him
Speaker 1: the money to be an elite player, and you know
Speaker 1: they they've gotten in trouble with this way back in
Speaker 1: the late nineties of paying players for what they have
Speaker 1: done and not for what they were projected to do.
Speaker 1: And maybe they did project him to bed. No, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't go there, I and I've I've said this before.
Speaker 1: They signed Dez Bryant to a five year deal thinking
Speaker 1: that he'd play most of, if not all, of that
Speaker 1: with Tony Romo, and he played two more games with him,
Speaker 1: Like straight up, I mean, and I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: way to say this without sounding like yours bashing Dak,
Speaker 1: which that's not my intention, But I think des Bryant
Speaker 1: would probably still be on this team if Tony Romo
Speaker 1: was the quarterback. I think if you put Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: on a team like the Saints, he might not be.
Speaker 1: He probably has dropped a couple notches from the Odell's
Speaker 1: and the Abs and the Julios of the world. But
Speaker 1: he would be a much more productive receiver with a
Speaker 1: quarterback like that who can do whatever he wants to
Speaker 1: than he would be on this team. And that's the point. That's, honestly,
Speaker 1: the point that I'm trying to I've been trying to
Speaker 1: make with regards to Dez Bryant is it's not that
Speaker 1: Dez is no longer can no longer be a productive player.
Speaker 1: It's that under the current circumstance with the quarterback that
Speaker 1: you have, and what we've seen since he's been with
Speaker 1: that quarterback is he's not that elite kind of receiver.
Speaker 1: And guess what, the quarterback isn't going anywhere. So if
Speaker 1: you have him here, you're gonna be paying him elite
Speaker 1: money to give you pedestrian production. And it's not worth it.
Speaker 1: It's not worth having that guy in the building when
Speaker 1: you're doing that. And I'm not trying to sound smartie,
Speaker 1: but I feel like we covered all of this in
Speaker 1: the offseason, like this isn't new information. And that's I
Speaker 1: hate it so much. But the phrase Dak friendly is
Speaker 1: basically Dez at this point last season had two hundred
Speaker 1: and something yards on like fifty targets. Like to get
Speaker 1: him involved the way you want to in this offense
Speaker 1: with this quarterback, you just got to target him fifteen
Speaker 1: times a game. And that's not in their best interests.
Speaker 1: So they so they got rid of him, I mean basically.
Speaker 1: And I on it, like I said, I don't know
Speaker 1: that it was like this terrible blunder because I think
Speaker 1: if Dez Bryant was here, it would look awfully similar. Well,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. Go ahead. Well, I
Speaker 1: just think that it's hard to just go back and
Speaker 1: say we covered this in the off season because the
Speaker 1: offseason you expected, or at least you know, there was
Speaker 1: some hope from this team that the receivers. Right now,
Speaker 1: after five games, it's like, well, now let's revisit this.
Speaker 1: How bad was it? Because these guys aren't aren't making
Speaker 1: plays for you either, you know, And so the negative
Speaker 1: plays that you saw from Dez last year, you know,
Speaker 1: drop passes that led to an interception in Denver and
Speaker 1: things like that. You saw that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 1: You're like, Wow, that's a that's that's not great. These
Speaker 1: guys are doing it here without really making some des
Speaker 1: was making some plays for both teams. But I mean,
Speaker 1: like Deontay Thompsons is not making a play for you know,
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys at all. I'm not sure Deontay Thompsons
Speaker 1: the one that's kind of weird here because what is
Speaker 1: he He's a four two guy that can run. So
Speaker 1: when if we seen him run down the field, no,
Speaker 1: we see him run like I mean, passes over the
Speaker 1: middle and that Carolina, they put all of their eggs
Speaker 1: in that basket. That he who hadn't practiced most training camp,
Speaker 1: and he got cut earlier and comes back and a
Speaker 1: fourth and ten or whatever runs an out that the
Speaker 1: timing is going to be perfect between him and I mean,
Speaker 1: and that lost the game for him or that was
Speaker 1: the last play there, and then he had a couple
Speaker 1: of I just don't understand why they're trying to make
Speaker 1: this guy into a wide receiver when he's never been.
Speaker 1: When he's never been, I mean, he's a speed guy
Speaker 1: and they're not using them that way. They're trying to
Speaker 1: use him as a possession guy. And I think his
Speaker 1: hands are as good as ours well. But that's also
Speaker 1: the problem when you don't have when you're kind of
Speaker 1: throwing everybody into one mosh pit and saying we'll just
Speaker 1: kind of use them all rather than having guys like
Speaker 1: I got a guy that I know can stretch the field,
Speaker 1: I got a guy that I know runs great routes
Speaker 1: that can move the chains. Like there, I don't think
Speaker 1: they have, or at least it doesn't seem like they may.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they have really well defined roles
Speaker 1: on what guys do well and getting him in them
Speaker 1: in those situations most frequently. And that was fine in
Speaker 1: the spring. It was actually it was kind of exciting
Speaker 1: in the spring to be like, oh, like all ten
Speaker 1: of these guys are doing a little bit of everything,
Speaker 1: like they're really gonna try to see who does what
Speaker 1: the best. But like we're still kind of doing that
Speaker 1: in October, which they've you know, they've tightened up the
Speaker 1: rotation a little bit. I would guess I don't have
Speaker 1: the snap counts in my head, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a little more defined than it was. But yeah, still
Speaker 1: like again for the like Alan Hearns seems like he
Speaker 1: would be your best possession receiver. They don't. They use
Speaker 1: him that way, but not enough in my opinion. They
Speaker 1: don't use Tavon to his strengths. They haven't been using
Speaker 1: Deonte to his strengths. And you're quite frank the same
Speaker 1: thing with Cole Like, I don't think. I think that
Speaker 1: that when you're on that fourth and one, that third
Speaker 1: and one him on a flare route, you're probably going
Speaker 1: to have a good shot of completing that. I I
Speaker 1: know you guys Joe groan and called me the implier.
Speaker 1: I'm not implying anything here. I'm saying everything. I'm saying
Speaker 1: everything that I know. I think the Cowboys will get
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in here in the next Cup a
Speaker 1: week or two that we have heard of. This won't
Speaker 1: be Dez Bryant, but it'll be somebody that they're going
Speaker 1: to try to bring in here. And that's all that
Speaker 1: I know would be available. I mean, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: there could be you could sign someone, you could try
Speaker 1: to trade for someone. I don't think it'll be anybody
Speaker 1: that's significant. I don't think anyone that will really really help.
Speaker 1: I do think they will try to do something. You
Speaker 1: can't keep going with this Again, I'm not implying that's
Speaker 1: all that I know. That's what I think is going
Speaker 1: to happen in the next I would say week to
Speaker 1: ten days, I'd be kind of shocked because I think, well,
Speaker 1: if they bring in trying not get it, but if
Speaker 1: they're bringing in more of the same, it just clouds
Speaker 1: it even further. I would I would maybe go if
Speaker 1: I were them, I may go the route of saying,
Speaker 1: tighten up my rotation even more, figure out the guys
Speaker 1: that I really want to use on specific roles and
Speaker 1: focus on using them in that role versus bringing another
Speaker 1: guy and throwing them in the mix. And I just
Speaker 1: got one more guy that's doing what everybody else is doing.
Speaker 1: If anybody, I'm sorry, anybody got kind of like excited
Speaker 1: about that comment that I just may just remember the
Speaker 1: last ten days, they also brought in a receiver that
Speaker 1: you've heard of before and he's done absolutely nothing, So
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean anything. They brought in Bryce Butler. I'm
Speaker 1: saying it could be something like that. Heck they need
Speaker 1: to use. If they're gonna do that, they probably do
Speaker 1: better off just using Butler. If they're gonna bring somebody
Speaker 1: else in, that's probably the same ilk right. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If they want to give Bryce a shot, that would
Speaker 1: be great. Otherwise, like, if they're not gonna change anything,
Speaker 1: I would lean on Beasley. Hearns t well Tavon as
Speaker 1: the way Tavon should be used, not not sending him
Speaker 1: down the field to catch twenty yard routes like Tavon.
Speaker 1: Use Tavon the way that the Texans use Kiki qt
Speaker 1: like it. It doesn't seem like it should be that hard.
Speaker 1: Um I was gonna say, Gallop, I don't love saying
Speaker 1: that because I mean, you want to go to bat
Speaker 1: for the draft pick. But he has done he has
Speaker 1: done something to indicate that he's not ready for this
Speaker 1: in basically every game. So maybe Bryce. Yeah, Um, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm I need to ask around. I haven't, but
Speaker 1: we're getting We're coming up on when Noah Brown can
Speaker 1: start practicing, not playing, but after Actually I think maybe
Speaker 1: he could practice this week if they wanted him too.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know, Like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: know if they have any intention of bringing him back.
Speaker 1: If you do that, that's one of your IR spots
Speaker 1: that you can't use anymore. So can I answer that
Speaker 1: question because I have asked around yeout that for the
Speaker 1: answer is yes, they are intending on bringing him back.
Speaker 1: Right there you go. I would love to see that
Speaker 1: another case for your pre show meetings. Dare mmm, No,
Speaker 1: I like we hash it out. Yeah, sure, bro's talking.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't say and talk about Noah Brown
Speaker 1: all the time, but ye had since it came up.
Speaker 1: I do. I do think that he's a guy that
Speaker 1: they are they would look to bring back here at
Speaker 1: some point. I would. I would love to see it.
Speaker 1: I was impressed with him as a rookie, and nobody
Speaker 1: else is making their case. So yeah, it's true. Noone's
Speaker 1: running away from Yeah you're not like, well, well let's
Speaker 1: give no a little more time, because these guys that's
Speaker 1: why to me, that's why Rico is here, you know,
Speaker 1: none of the anything. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our final break when come back, I'm gonna ask these
Speaker 1: guys the question is the threat of a guy at
Speaker 1: wide receiver that can make a big play just as
Speaker 1: good as the production, or at least comparable to the production,
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Speaker 1: into it underwear. I had a question for you guys
Speaker 1: right before the break. We're talking about the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: particularly talking about number one wide receivers. I had a
Speaker 1: fan on Twitter before the show bring up what I
Speaker 1: thought was a very valid point, or at least a
Speaker 1: point that was worth discussion, which is last year, despite
Speaker 1: what you thought about the production from Dez Bryant, despite
Speaker 1: what you thought about the production from from Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: the fact is, when Jason Witten and Des Bryan are
Speaker 1: on your offense, defenses have to account for them because
Speaker 1: if they don't account for them, they can make them
Speaker 1: look silly. Right Is that a situation or should that
Speaker 1: be something that should be considered here when you talk about, hey,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys really don't need a number one. Does the
Speaker 1: threat of having a Dez Bryan out there, even if
Speaker 1: he's not a true number one, just the threat of
Speaker 1: the damage that he can do, is that enough to
Speaker 1: still need to have him on a team like this one.
Speaker 1: I think there's there's a couple of ways to look
Speaker 1: at that one, like, yeah, yeah, they miss him in
Speaker 1: the sense that they are good veteran players who you
Speaker 1: can typically count on to do what they're supposed to,
Speaker 1: Like Jason Witten is gonna be there. He's gonna probably
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get open more often than not.
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant can still do des Bryant things. Nick brings
Speaker 1: up the slant against the Giants all the time. You
Speaker 1: have to cover him. But to go back to Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones's point, it's been a long time since I remember,
Speaker 1: I think it was fourteen. The count went like first
Speaker 1: time we really thought those Cowboys were a good team.
Speaker 1: They smashed the Saints here in at and T like
Speaker 1: week four. I think like literally, the Saints put two
Speaker 1: corners on him, and I'm not talking about like rolling
Speaker 1: a guy over the top, like literally they had two guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Dads was literally standing on the sideline like are
Speaker 1: y'all kidding me right now? Or I mean not this.
Speaker 1: He was standing in place in the formation like okay,
Speaker 1: Like nobody was covering Dads like that in the last
Speaker 1: two years. So he's not to get that kind of
Speaker 1: a team. You got to account for him. And he
Speaker 1: has a track record that makes him more dangerous than
Speaker 1: any of these guys, but he's he's not He wasn't
Speaker 1: that guy in recent memory. I mean, you know the
Speaker 1: thing about it is it reminds me of like the
Speaker 1: last You're probably too young for this, but you know
Speaker 1: the last I don't know, five or ten years of
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson. You know, it's like he wasn't what he was,
Speaker 1: but you're always worried about it. Why because he could.
Speaker 1: He could knock you out with punch. He's got that,
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what's happened here with
Speaker 1: Dez in a little bit. It's like, yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: the same, and you don't have to cover him the same,
Speaker 1: but you got to be careful with that. And it's
Speaker 1: not just about Dez, it's about it's about Tavon as well.
Speaker 1: Look back to the first game or this last game.
Speaker 1: A couple of plays they had to touchdown and even
Speaker 1: the shovel pass that on third down that was important.
Speaker 1: It got him in there. Fake to Tavon, shovel to
Speaker 1: to Zeke, fake to Tavon and Zeke throw it to
Speaker 1: Herns in the end zone. You can keep faking it
Speaker 1: all day, but at some point, you know, so the
Speaker 1: threat of not having the ball, it sounds good, but
Speaker 1: you do have to show him every once in a while. So, um,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. You do have to show him
Speaker 1: that we can hurt you and then use that against them.
Speaker 1: And honestly, that's the part I think that would hurt
Speaker 1: this argument is I don't think enough times last year
Speaker 1: Dez actually hurt the opposing team. Now, there were a couple,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it happened frequently and frequently enough
Speaker 1: where teams wouldn't still walk into a game with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys this year and say the exact same thing they're
Speaker 1: saying right now, which is, if you're gonna beat this team.
Speaker 1: You gotta stop Zeke. Dez is one thing, and we'll
Speaker 1: deal with him. We could probably put one guy on him,
Speaker 1: and we will. We will be okay if we let
Speaker 1: if he gets a big play on us, Like we're
Speaker 1: okay with the idea he might get a big play
Speaker 1: on us. Well, we can't let we can't let get
Speaker 1: off is Zeke. And I think that's that doesn't change.
Speaker 1: That doesn't change where the Dez is on the team
Speaker 1: or not. And that I mean, you know, I worry
Speaker 1: about sounding like a homer, but like we saw Dez
Speaker 1: do so much of the stuff we're seeing right now.
Speaker 1: You brought up the Denver game, the Seattle game last
Speaker 1: Year's burned into my brain forever, like, and he made
Speaker 1: some play and he would probably still be the best
Speaker 1: receiver on this team if he was here, but he
Speaker 1: left a lot of stuff out there. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can blame Dak if you want to. I'm lean more
Speaker 1: toward thinking that if you make twelve million dollars a
Speaker 1: year to play receiver, you should have a DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1: Those balls were not all accurate, and he mean, he's
Speaker 1: got a fifty foot catch radius. It doesn't matter where
Speaker 1: it is he's going to bring it in. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what you're paying twelve million dollars a year for. Right.
Speaker 1: The thing about that is is that he keep going
Speaker 1: back to that statement that I agree with and Dave
Speaker 1: agrees because he just said it. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you do, but that Dez would be the best receiver
Speaker 1: on the team if he was here. Think about any
Speaker 1: other football team in the league, and any other position
Speaker 1: other than maybe kicker, I don't know where else could
Speaker 1: you say if I signed this guy off the street,
Speaker 1: he would be better than anyone else that I have
Speaker 1: for all the problems of well, what he is in
Speaker 1: the locker room and all that. That's a that's a
Speaker 1: statement that's needs I think needs to be addressed like
Speaker 1: no one No other team can say that no other position.
Speaker 1: You could say, there's nobody out there that would be
Speaker 1: the best of all of that, but he would be.
Speaker 1: My question back to you, when you're saying that, you're
Speaker 1: speaking purely from the point standpoint of just raw skill
Speaker 1: as a receiver. You're saying he'd be the best one. Now,
Speaker 1: let's factor in the other reasons, because there were other
Speaker 1: reasons why he's not on this team. When you factor
Speaker 1: in those other reasons, is his ability that much greater
Speaker 1: to where it's worth saying have him put him on
Speaker 1: this team? That's the issue well ahead any other team
Speaker 1: in any For any other team they had, they'd have
Speaker 1: to deal with the part of Des learning the offense
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, so you got a guy
Speaker 1: that would be talent wise, raw talent, like you said,
Speaker 1: better than anyone you have. It's got more experience in
Speaker 1: production than anyone else that you have. He's got an
Speaker 1: understanding of the offense. May not be better than anyone
Speaker 1: else you have, but he does have an understanding of
Speaker 1: the offense. And you know, I but don't you think
Speaker 1: being cut and being on the street no one's signing you.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that would change anything? Humble
Speaker 1: him at all? Did not? I don't know. Do you
Speaker 1: think it doesn't feel like he doesn't seem like Twitter
Speaker 1: activity does not indicate that it has um which the
Speaker 1: other thing for me is okay, all of that is
Speaker 1: very all of that is very important, and for how
Speaker 1: good his relationship with Jerry Jones is. I'm sure Des
Speaker 1: has burned several bridges in this building, in the locker
Speaker 1: room and out of the locker room. But my thing is,
Speaker 1: what how big is the difference in production? Really? Like honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean that because like Dez would definitely be leading
Speaker 1: this team in catches and yards probably, I think he'd
Speaker 1: also be far and away leading in targets because we
Speaker 1: saw it last year's Like, even though he is a
Speaker 1: complimentary player in this offense, at this point in time,
Speaker 1: you have to plan for him, like he's a premier guy.
Speaker 1: Like that's what they did. He had forty targets through
Speaker 1: four games. That's why they did this. Is that Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup isn't gonna say bup if he gets two targets
Speaker 1: in the game. He's a rookie. Deontay Thompson is not
Speaker 1: going to raise a stink about getting five targets in
Speaker 1: the game because that's probably a career high for it.
Speaker 1: They're getting there. One, there's one guy that's ye're saying,
Speaker 1: they're they're getting there because everybody, well, what they're what
Speaker 1: what it sounds like they're doing. It sounds like they're
Speaker 1: just saying it's not us, that's that's what. It's not
Speaker 1: so much give me the ball as much as they're saying, hey,
Speaker 1: everybody out there is trying to point the finger at us.
Speaker 1: It ain't us. That's what I'm here rich from there.
Speaker 1: It's it is, but that's not. That's at least what
Speaker 1: I think they're saying is it's not it's everything. It's everything.
Speaker 1: It's everything talking great, but they're not getting open. But
Speaker 1: that's why I say yesterday, there's only one of all
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. There's only one or two positions
Speaker 1: that our expectations were different than what we're seeing right now,
Speaker 1: and that's offensive line and running back. That's the we
Speaker 1: had high expectations for. It's as easily needs to be
Speaker 1: the number three receiver on this team, and he's not.
Speaker 1: He's the number one receiver, and that's the problem. He
Speaker 1: needs to be number three. He needs to be the
Speaker 1: guy that's the mismatch guy. But if teams want to
Speaker 1: take him out of the game, they'll take him out
Speaker 1: of the game and then leaving you with what that's
Speaker 1: that's to me, that's I mean, that's what they've they've
Speaker 1: committed themselves to what we're gonna do when all else fails,
Speaker 1: we fall back on our running it. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: they've committed to. It's funny, because I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: the it's a tale as old as time this league.
Speaker 1: Every damn near every team in the league thinks it
Speaker 1: has a shot at the playoffs when the season starts.
Speaker 1: That's what's great about it. But so damn near every
Speaker 1: team in the league feels really good about what they
Speaker 1: did in the offseason, which in some cases it has
Speaker 1: worked out, Like the linebacker situation has worked out perfectly
Speaker 1: with the way they planned it out, even it hadn't
Speaker 1: been great. But safety has not sunk this team yet.
Speaker 1: You could say the same thing about their defensive front.
Speaker 1: But having said all of that, they are currently getting
Speaker 1: a big f for how that they decided to approach
Speaker 1: wide receiver, like none of the stuff that they thought
Speaker 1: would happen, like we think we think Michael Gallup, we
Speaker 1: think Alan Hearns will do this with you know, Diante,
Speaker 1: he worked with sanjt Like none of it's working in
Speaker 1: we think he can be this and and doctorserve some
Speaker 1: blame in that too, for that matter, because these are
Speaker 1: supposed to be guys tailored to what he wants to
Speaker 1: do and they might not be getting open. They certainly
Speaker 1: aren't getting open all the time, but he's missing throws
Speaker 1: as well when he's having those opportunities. I just thought
Speaker 1: about something, have you guys, Has anybody asked the question
Speaker 1: what happened to the whole concept of Tavon being a
Speaker 1: web back. I don't think I've seen him line up
Speaker 1: in the backfield at all. I don't like, I don't
Speaker 1: care where he lies. I'm what I take some offense
Speaker 1: to that because I've been yelling about it all season long.
Speaker 1: They're not using him the way that he seems like
Speaker 1: he is screaming to be used. My point was that
Speaker 1: was what was said on draft Day, and that's what
Speaker 1: they talked about there at the beginning, is that you
Speaker 1: look at how the Rams were using him last year. Year.
Speaker 1: They lined him up in the backfield a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was getting carries quite a bit, probably more of
Speaker 1: a ball carrier than just a receiver for the Rams
Speaker 1: last year. So my expectation from what they said was
Speaker 1: that he was going to be a guy that was
Speaker 1: going to have the ball in his hands more frequently
Speaker 1: as a as a runner, just as a runner. So
Speaker 1: whether that's a bubble screen, whether that's a handoff, they
Speaker 1: were gonna find ways just get the ball in his hand.
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily as a receiver, because they made a
Speaker 1: point of saying web back versus wide receiver. At what
Speaker 1: point did that change and if so, why are they
Speaker 1: not Did they decide to do that versus using him
Speaker 1: more in that role? I know my question. I don't
Speaker 1: care if he ever takes a single handoff out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. But Josh Norris, who's a fantasy football guru,
Speaker 1: I quote tweeted this last night. Key Key Qt's average
Speaker 1: depth of target of five yards is the lowest of
Speaker 1: any wide receiver in the league with twenty plus targets.
Speaker 1: You can spend it in a positive way because he's
Speaker 1: got twenty two targets in just two games. Again, that's
Speaker 1: what I said when we were previewing him last week.
Speaker 1: He never touches the ball all more than five six
Speaker 1: yards down field. He's still a crucial component of their offense,
Speaker 1: which is my point. No, but I don't care if
Speaker 1: Tavon's lining up at running back. Just get him the
Speaker 1: ball in shallow space where he doesn't have to make
Speaker 1: this amazing grab to get the ball. Same thing. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: we are, we are, but it's something I've been harping
Speaker 1: on and will continue to harp on because I don't
Speaker 1: understand it right, and I would be interested to see
Speaker 1: what coaches have to say about that, seeing as though
Speaker 1: that seemed like that was the plan when he came in.
Speaker 1: Um and not to say this is the end all
Speaker 1: be all, but it was funny because even on like ESPN,
Speaker 1: on their fantasy game, he is listed as a running back,
Speaker 1: not as a wide receiver. If I had to guess,
Speaker 1: they will give an answer that suggests that we're stupid
Speaker 1: for suggesting it. I know they suggested it. Like they'll
Speaker 1: say something that's like, well, you don't understand, but here's
Speaker 1: why that's I'll I'll try to get a question in
Speaker 1: for you. Let's see how goes. All right, appreciate you guys, Jonas.
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