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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We're kind of talking about the lesser known Christmas monsters.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that that people haven't heard it, but I think

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Speaker 2: people know about Crampus now because maybe the movie. But

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Speaker 2: will you explain the Christmas lore of Crampis which sounds

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Speaker 2: terrifying to me?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely so Crampis.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you are right, Crampus has become really popular in

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Speaker 4: the last couple of years. Dare I say even like

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Speaker 4: even like since last Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know about it when I was a kid,

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad I did not know what about it

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Speaker 2: when I was a kid. That would have been terrifying.

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Speaker 4: I mean for me, I probably would have behaved a

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Speaker 4: lot more if I knew about Crampis.

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Speaker 3: Uh uh. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So Crampis is from Alpine folklore, and one could argue

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Speaker 4: that Crampus even pre dates Christmas itself. So you have Crampis,

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Speaker 4: who is kind of like almost like an anti Santa

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Speaker 4: Claus type of figure.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, while we had.

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Speaker 4: Santa who rewarded the good kids and maybe gave some

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Speaker 4: hole to the naughty kids, Crampis is this humanoid goat

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Speaker 4: like creature. And so usually how Crampis would work is

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Speaker 4: he works alongside Santa Claus. So Santa and him have

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Speaker 4: or Saint Nicholas. Uh, so they had this good cop

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Speaker 3: And on the night.

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Speaker 4: Of December fifth, which is known as Crampus knocked, Uh,

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Speaker 4: Saint Nicholas and Crampus would go door to door and uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, Saint Nicholas would give gifts to the good,

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Speaker 4: to the good kids, and then Crampus would punish the

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Speaker 4: naughty kids. However, the way that he punished kids wasn't

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Speaker 4: giving them coal.

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Speaker 3: Actually coal would probably be like.

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Speaker 4: The the nicer, the nicer end of it, uh, the.

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Speaker 3: Nicer end of it. So usually uh, it depends on

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Speaker 3: which region you're looking into.

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Speaker 4: Crampus will either beat children with birch sticks, put them

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Speaker 4: in his basket and take them back to Hell with him,

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Speaker 4: or he'll put he'll put them in his sack and

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Speaker 4: eat them alive in his.

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Speaker 2: The most wonderful time of the year. Exactly what is terrifying? Right? Terrifying?

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Speaker 4: And if that wasn't enough, so a lot of area,

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Speaker 4: a lot of areas in Germany, actually all over the

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Speaker 4: world now they have this event called well it's called

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Speaker 4: crompas knocked, like I said, but they would have this

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Speaker 4: event called a crampus loft, which is basically a parade

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Speaker 4: of all the people in the town dressing up as

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Speaker 4: crampis and having or crompus for my German speaking friends,

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Speaker 4: and they will basically have like a mini parade or

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Speaker 4: a parade down the street, and usually that includes fire costumes.

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Speaker 4: A lot of cities in the United States now actually

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Speaker 4: has has their own crompus sknocked.

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Speaker 3: There's one here in Washington, d C. Where I live.

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Speaker 4: Baltimore has their own, I believe Richmond does.

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Speaker 3: People need to stop them in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: What is it so in your travels, because I know

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Speaker 2: you've researched so many things. I'm a I'm a big

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Speaker 2: fan of your Instagram and you're always so you're always

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Speaker 2: so formal. Is there a tie between like the elves

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Speaker 2: and the gnome culture that you talk about?

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Speaker 3: Oh, actually, yes there is.

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Speaker 2: I know it's kind of off the track a little bit,

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Speaker 2: but I figure you can handle me going a little sideways.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. So what's interesting about that is we.

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Speaker 4: Have these so so the the names of these things well,

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Speaker 4: it also depends on which which area of the world

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Speaker 4: that you're looking into and so and we're going to

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Speaker 4: find that as we dive into like the different areas

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Speaker 4: of Christmas and holiday lore, that there's going to be

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Speaker 4: almost like a merging of different cultures, uh when it

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Speaker 4: comes to our Christmas traditions. So uh over, So there's

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Speaker 4: there's a couple. So I'll start with I'll start over

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Speaker 4: in Iceland. So there are these little figures.

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Speaker 3: They're called the Yule Lads. They are, uh, they are

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Speaker 4: Their parents, well their mother specifically is actually a very

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Speaker 4: terrifying figure in Christmas lore.

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Speaker 3: But starting around the thirteen days before.

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Speaker 4: Christmas, the Mule Lads will come down from their cave

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Speaker 4: one by one and they'll recavoc and pull pranks. Now,

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Speaker 4: whether there's a crossover with the Elves is up in

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Speaker 4: the is up in the up in the air. But

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Speaker 4: their traditions are a little interesting because they have really

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Speaker 3: On their names.

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Speaker 4: So for example, spoon, liquor lick, spoons, door slammer slams doors,

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Speaker 4: sausage swiper. Yeah, he'll take your sausages. No peeper will

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Speaker 4: spy on you and steal your stuff. Doorway sniffer you know,

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Speaker 4: so sniffs your doorways looking for food.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, are the are the heat miser and the

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Speaker 2: snow miser involved in the lads.

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Speaker 3: No, I wish that would be hilarious actually.

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Speaker 4: So, but yeah, so we have that over in Iceland

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Speaker 4: and they and they will also either give you a

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Speaker 4: present in your so you leave your shoes on window

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Speaker 4: sills and they'll either give you a present.

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Speaker 3: Or they'll give you a potato for me. I mean

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Speaker 3: a potato wouldn't necessarily.

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Speaker 4: Be a bad thing because I mean I like potatoes,

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Speaker 4: so right.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like you're gonna give me a free Uh,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna give me a free potato.

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Speaker 3: I will go ahead and take it. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there's also, uh, there's there's a couple of others,

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Speaker 2: Isn't that is the Santa Claus thing. Is that specifically

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Speaker 2: from Norway where it started, The center clause thing.

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Speaker 4: So center clause. I'm actually glad you brought up center clause. So, uh,

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Speaker 4: center clause is more based out of the Netherlands. But yes,

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Speaker 4: that that one is actually, so there's a whole debate

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Speaker 4: that's that's happening in the holiday history community about the

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Speaker 4: origin of Santa Claus. And what's interesting is there's possibly

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Speaker 4: a tie to Odin, although Minordic historians listening are probably

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Speaker 4: gonna are probably gonna be like no, but so center

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Speaker 4: Clause actually comes from the Netherlands. Uh, And he wore

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Speaker 4: bishop's robes, he traveled by horse, and he left get

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Speaker 4: gifts for children in their shoes on December sixth, you know,

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Speaker 4: just kind of thinking, hey, for a moment, going tying

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Speaker 4: back to Crampus, we have December fifth is Crampus's day.

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Speaker 4: December sixth is Saint nixt Day. There is a painting

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Speaker 4: from the sixteen sixties by a Dutch painter by the

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Speaker 3: The feast of Saint Nicholas.

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Speaker 4: And in that picture there's and if you're those of

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Speaker 4: you who are listening, you could pull it up. There's

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Speaker 4: a older boy pointing out the chimney in the painting,

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Speaker 4: which is interesting because you know, Santa goes down the chimney.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, so uh there's also uh, center Clause was

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Speaker 4: able to perform miracles.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, uh, center clause, Saint Nicholas, this figure all

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Speaker 4: kind of these different figures who are very very similar

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of interesting things so that.

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Speaker 2: We've sort of merged a lot of the culture lore

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Speaker 2: into what we have. But while you're talking, I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: about the lore that we have right now of Santa

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Speaker 2: If you're bad, you get cool. You got reindeer, you

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Speaker 2: got that. These you know, goes around the world than

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Speaker 2: a sleigh pulled by rain. Like, there's so much juicy storytelling,

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Speaker 2: like and I don't mean to be funny or to

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Speaker 2: try to sound funny, but the Easter Bunny doesn't have

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Speaker 2: that deep of a storyline, but Santa does for some reason.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, uh.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think and I think it comes from like

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Speaker 4: I mentioned early in the beginning of the In the beginning, uh,

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Speaker 4: this time of year really heralded a time of transition.

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Different cultures that have various celebrations that center around this.

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Speaker 3: So they kind of created their own lore, so to speak.

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Speaker 4: And but the fact that and it's one of those

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Speaker 4: But like and like I mentioned, there is a bit

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Speaker 4: of a there is a bit of a theory that,

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Speaker 3: Not be based on Odin.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually when you look at the at the when

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Speaker 4: history at the end of the day, more than likely not.

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Speaker 4: But the timing the time couldn't be more interesting with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So Odin actually has a lot of his own celebrations

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Speaker 4: there is a legend that Odin travels through the sky

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Speaker 3: If anyone has ever heard of the Wild Hunt, that

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Speaker 4: The Wild Hunt is basically this horde of spirits that

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Speaker 4: bodies and taken to the afterlife by Odin. You didn't

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Speaker 4: you know Odin traveling through the sky, Santa Claus travels

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Speaker 3: Which you know, yeah, which is very interesting.

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Speaker 4: So there is a striking similarity in that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Now, the other thing with.

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Speaker 4: Odin is when Odin would be out, you know, outside

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Speaker 4: you know, collecting spirits. Nor the ancient Norse actually left

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Speaker 4: long journey. So kind of like how kids leave Santa

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Speaker 2: So, uh, why do you think these these are so

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Speaker 2: ingrained in us that we still carry these traditions. It's

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Speaker 4: You know, So, when I would say, when Christianity really

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Speaker 4: tried to get rid of you know, Odin and center

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Speaker 3: You can see how well that went. There was an

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Speaker 4: Clean up the holidays of these different cultures. And I

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Speaker 4: noticed that there was just enough similarities to like, hey,

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Speaker 4: we can actually celebrate these traditions too, and it's not

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Speaker 4: departing so very far from our original intention. So I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, we as humans, we thrive on ritual we

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Speaker 3: Tradition and patterns.

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Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, I guess that's true. Like a

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Speaker 2: culture is shared together. That must be important to us too.

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Speaker 2: And absolutely if you put a little bit of darkness

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so yeah, Because I mean Halloween's another

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Speaker 3: It's the harvest. So I think because.

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Speaker 4: You know, weather, for the most part in certain hemispheres

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Speaker 3: So you know, we all these.

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Speaker 4: Different cultures have these different traditions, but they're all like

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Speaker 4: among different cultures where there's some kind of deity, some

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Speaker 4: also that leaving food out, leaving food out, leaving gifts out.

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Speaker 3: Odin's not the only one.

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Speaker 4: And then there's all these like other like quirky creatures

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Speaker 4: so to speak.

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Speaker 3: I actually love that little term quirky creatures.

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Speaker 4: Uh, from like giant cats to witches, you know who

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Speaker 4: all kind of need this, like need something to happen

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