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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Monday edition, President's Day edition of The Clay Travis and

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Speaker 2: Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Those of you are on holiday, hope we can kick

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Speaker 2: back and relax. Those of you, like us, who are working,

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Speaker 2: we are here for you. We are with you in

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Speaker 2: the struggle of showing up on President's Day holiday. So

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Speaker 2: here we are much to discuss from today and even

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Speaker 2: from over the weekend. Right as we finished, and I

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Speaker 2: tell you this, and Clay would confirm it, I had

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Speaker 2: said about thirty minutes before the end of the show

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Speaker 2: on Friday, they're going to drop a massive three hundred

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Speaker 2: or so million dollar judgment against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I kid you not. I think it came.

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Speaker 2: Down within three minutes of us going off air Friday,

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Speaker 2: and it was a three hundred million dollar judgment against

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. So we expected that. Well, we'll get into this,

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Speaker 2: but I think that this is starting to reach the

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Speaker 2: phase where Democrats are worried about the forget about the

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Speaker 2: law as it pertains this, but the politics of it.

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Speaker 2: I think it might be backfiring on the much more

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Speaker 2: than they anticipated. There's also oh boy, so much Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden is losing. Nate Silver says it he's losing. He

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Speaker 2: would lose now, And there's quote no plan. That's the

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Speaker 2: five thirty eight right, five thirty eight dot com guy,

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Speaker 2: the favorite statistician of Democrats. Former President Trump has some

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Speaker 2: truckers who are planning to boycott New York after the

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Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty five million dollar fraud ruling. So

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Speaker 2: we're going to see how how much that has an

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Speaker 2: effect and how long that continues.

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Speaker 1: Who's involved.

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Speaker 2: Biden is considering in executive order to limit the flow

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Speaker 2: of migrants. Oh wait, I thought Republicans were staying in

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Speaker 2: his way and there needed to be new laws.

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Speaker 1: No, there's not a need for new laws.

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Speaker 2: We will discuss that as well, and then if we

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Speaker 2: have time, which I'm sure we will, scholars take that

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Speaker 2: as you will rank the top fifteen presidents of all time,

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Speaker 2: and it will probably not surprise any of you that

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Speaker 2: Trump does not come in the top ten. We'll tell

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Speaker 2: you where the scholars ranked the Trump presidency among others

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Speaker 2: as well later on, But Clay, let's start with this one.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this as a likelihood on Friday now

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Speaker 2: it is real, a three hundred million dollar judgment, and

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Speaker 2: I think the problems here are.

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Speaker 1: Many.

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Speaker 2: One is ever keep saying it'll get overturned on appeal.

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Speaker 2: Not everyone, but people are saying that no, not necessarily.

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Speaker 2: This is New York state law. I don't even think

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court would grant cert on this. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that this goes anywhere other than New York State

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Speaker 2: courts and New York State Court or to stack with Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Well, what else is there? What do you see happening?

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Speaker 1: H This is what we said, Buck, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's really important for everybody out there to understand exactly

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Speaker 1: what's going on. They hit Trump with eighty eight million

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Speaker 1: in Egene Carroll. I think that was way better than

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Speaker 1: they ever anticipated. This is a concerted attempt to try

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Speaker 1: to humiliate Trump and also to try to make it

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Speaker 1: look like he's not as wealthy as he actually says

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Speaker 1: he is. And this is what I've been saying for

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Speaker 1: some time. I was actually having this conversation with my

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Speaker 1: with my sixteen year old this weekend because he was

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Speaker 1: he was trying to figure out, Dad, what's the goal

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Speaker 1: here in terms of making him pay over three hundred

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Speaker 1: In theory, the goal is to demonstrate that Trump doesn't

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Speaker 2: Can I add to that to also take a whole lot. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Let's say Trump is worth what he says he's worth,

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Speaker 2: and he's worth billions. How much of that is liquid?

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Speaker 2: And even for billionaires to cough up three hundred million liquid,

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Speaker 2: I believe he has to put this money in escrow.

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Speaker 2: They're not just trying to humiliate him for overstating it,

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Speaker 2: which I don't think Trump would care, and we don't care,

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Speaker 2: right and Trump, you know, his brand is worth what

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Speaker 2: nobody lost anything on the deal in New York City.

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Speaker 2: Oh but but beyond that, they've always been saying that

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Speaker 2: Trump isn't worth you know, he says nine billion, and

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Speaker 2: I think more analysts out there looking to say it's

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Speaker 2: more like a billion or two whatever. He's a very

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Speaker 2: So I think this is a concerted attempt. And let

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Speaker 2: me just say this, even super rich people, billionaires of

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Speaker 2: even super rich people don't have four hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: because it doesn't make sense to have millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: so you can make more money on top of them.

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Speaker 1: So this is an attempt to humiliate Trump. Buck I

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Speaker 1: actually think it's way bigger than this, though, when I

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Speaker 1: saw this verdict come down and they are now truckers reacting.

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Speaker 1: But I have founded several companies in my life. I

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Speaker 1: was confirm that I will never found a company in

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Speaker 1: a blue state, and I will certainly never live in

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Speaker 1: a blue state for the rest of my life. And look,

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Speaker 1: my net worth is a pinprick of a lot of

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Speaker 1: super wealthy people who have assets in New York. But

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you many of those guys and they're almost

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Speaker 1: all men, but some women as well looked at that

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Speaker 1: and said, if they can hit Trump like this based

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Speaker 1: on his politics, they can hit me too. And I

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Speaker 1: think you're going to see the actual result for the

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Speaker 1: state of New York. I think there is going to

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Speaker 1: be tens of billions of dollars more in assets, that is,

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Speaker 1: people's company assets that as you've seen, Elon must say, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm relocating you relocated from New York City to Florida.

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Speaker 1: Like you've actually experienced this yourself. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: anyone with any substantial asset, Buck, if you have a

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk just went through this with Delaware, which had

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Speaker 2: and uh for companies to incorporate themselves and actually has

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Speaker 2: some very nice beaches. Delaware Beach is very underrated. Considered

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Speaker 2: Buck the gold standard for in America. Yes, Delaware is

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Speaker 2: a state that was benefiting dramatically from and this is

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Speaker 1: It was the default.

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Speaker 2: Well, they just said that Elon Musk's pay package for Tesla,

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Speaker 2: Delaware says no, sorry, you can't do that, I know.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, what in what universe is that the

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Speaker 1: Where one judge, one judge in Delaware just said you're

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Speaker 2: Know, is this the judge has better judgment, pardon me

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Speaker 2: as to what should happen with Tesla. So this is

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Speaker 2: a big, a big problem, a major challenge. What they're

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Speaker 2: the criminal front is setting a precedent that is going

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Speaker 2: the truth is Republicans are burdened with having some level

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Speaker 2: people are going to say, oh, Trump is going to

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Speaker 2: to be the retribution that people think because we don't

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Speaker 2: play the game as dirty as they do. But by

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Speaker 2: the same token, I think they're going to continue to

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Speaker 2: to use the courts as a weapon of politics. So

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Speaker 2: this is a really troubling president. This is something that

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Speaker 2: an incredibly obtuse interpretation of the law as well.

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Speaker 1: The banks.

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Speaker 2: Who's the victim the bank? There is no victim. That's

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Speaker 2: the part that I can't quit ask. A court comes

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Speaker 2: along and says Trump says, the house is worth X,

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Speaker 2: we agree it's worth X, and so we'll give you

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Speaker 2: the following assets. The bank comes along and says, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, Clay, If I put my house on the

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Speaker 1: It, I'm gonna pay that.

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Speaker 2: That's not fraud. That's what the market will bear. And

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Speaker 2: when the banks look at what Trump said and they

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Speaker 2: did their own due diligence. That is what the market

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Speaker 1: Buck, Like five years ago, I got a appraisal of

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Speaker 1: my house and I think I was potentially going to

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Speaker 1: Other times you don't. Any of you who've gone through

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Speaker 1: this whole idea I was reading over the weekend. There's

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Speaker 1: never been a case brought like this in the history

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Speaker 1: of the state of New York. No business has ever

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Speaker 1: And people say, well, that's hyperbolic. What do you mean,

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Speaker 1: How in the world can you go back and change

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Speaker 1: we still don't even understand how that's possible for Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 1: So we'll come back into this a second.

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Speaker 2: Can put Can I put a fun President's Day question

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Traravis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: They got a problem. They got a problem. Houston.

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Speaker 2: We have a problem. And his name is Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe actually the bigger problem. You could take this, Clay,

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't even be having this conversation because you have

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Speaker 1: She should be able to step in. Here.

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Speaker 2: She is saying that our funding of the Ukrainian military

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Speaker 2: But beyond that, Clay, here's what I think with Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: people who read newspapers don't know anything about it. Now

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Speaker 1: they would say it's a long time ago. But I

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Speaker 1: would note to your point about Trump and the examinations

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Speaker 1: that he's put under. Even honest, honest Trump haters recognize

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Speaker 1: that what they've done, whether it's the E. G. And

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Speaker 1: felony indictments he's that this is crazy. I mean, at

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Speaker 1: some point it's just maybe they think one or two

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Speaker 2: They think the mar A Lago documents thing, or you know,

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Speaker 2: they could pick and choose, I suppose, but that they recognize.

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Speaker 2: Even people hate Donald Trump for being honest, understand that

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Speaker 2: this is crazy. It's just crazy. Mitt Romney, for example,

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Speaker 2: is out there telling everybody, you know, I was just

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Speaker 2: out in Utah with the Washington County Republicans, A great

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Speaker 1: Really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Sat with the governor at dinner, the governor of Utah,

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Speaker 2: so we had a little chat. And Mitt Romney is

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Speaker 2: not running again for Senate, so his Senate seat is

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Speaker 2: going to be up for grabs. And he's saying sexual

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Speaker 2: assault this has cut twenty two is a line he

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Speaker 2: won't cross, therefore he can't vote Trump.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's an issue with his logic here play twenty two.

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Speaker 6: I will not be voting for former President Trump, And

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Speaker 6: I mean I must admit that I find sexual assault

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Speaker 6: to be a line I will not cross and the

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Speaker 6: people I select to be my president. But I also

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Speaker 6: disagree with a number of the character issues that the

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Speaker 6: president has demonstrated.

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Speaker 2: What about the fact that Joe Biden was accused by

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Speaker 2: a staffer on the record with contemporaneous corroboration from people

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Speaker 2: who knew her about being sexually assaulted by then Senator

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. I mean, Romney, doesn't he you know, if

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Speaker 2: you were trying to be an honest person in this conversation,

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Speaker 2: Mitt Romney, wouldn't he say that too, Clay, wouldn't he

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Speaker 2: point out that therefore, both of these candidates, in Mitt

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Speaker 2: Romney's world, should be disqualified.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, that should be the immediate follow up up

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Speaker 1: from anybody who has the job of a reporter that

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Speaker 1: is standing there. Taking Mitt Romney's grand standing answer, I

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Speaker 1: suspect Buck. What he would say is he would say, well,

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Speaker 1: those are just allegations. The e Gen Carroll allegations have

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Speaker 1: now been proven in a civil court, and so I

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Speaker 1: don't believe in just accepting allegations. Trump's situation is worse

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Speaker 1: than Biden's because a jury in New York reviewed those

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Speaker 1: allegations and found them credible beyond a preponderance of the evidence.

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Speaker 1: On that standard. Now, you and I both know that

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Speaker 1: that distinction is not, in my opinion, a significant one.

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Speaker 1: It also brings home one of the things that I've

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Speaker 1: been thinking about this a lot, as we get ready

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Speaker 1: for whatever's going to happen with the Jack Smith case,

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Speaker 1: and as Buck brings in his puppy to make President's

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Speaker 1: day a lie little bit a little bit happier here.

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Speaker 1: I talked about this with some senators, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's an important check on power. Whatever happens to Trump

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Speaker 1: in the Washington D C. Circuit Court is not going

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Speaker 1: to change the reality that that is a rigged system

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Speaker 1: that Democrats have where they can get convictions. There is

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Speaker 1: no ninety five percent jury pool in favor of Republicans

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Speaker 1: that Republicans can go to anywhere in the country like

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Speaker 1: the DC circuit exists. I think Buck, there should be

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Speaker 1: a bill introduced. This would not necessarily protect Trump, but

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Speaker 1: I do think it's an important one that if you

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Speaker 1: are charged with a felony in Washington, d C. You

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Speaker 1: should have the right to remove that case to your

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Speaker 1: home jurisdiction so that you could actually be adjudged by

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Speaker 1: a jury of your peers, in other words, in a

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Speaker 1: federal court. If if I or you were charged with

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Speaker 1: felonies in Washington, d C. Rather than have to sit

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Speaker 1: there and then say, oh, super right wing fascist radio

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Speaker 1: show host Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, then try to

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Speaker 1: turn us into that right for purposes of getting a conviction.

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Speaker 1: No matter what the charge is, you should be able

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Speaker 1: to remove that to South Florida, where you live now.

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Speaker 1: I should be able to remove that to Williamson County, Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: or the Middle District of Tennessee and have a jury

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Speaker 1: actually of my peers review the charges against me.

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Speaker 2: And this has been the game all along for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: They know that anything involving Trump, they effectively can set

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Speaker 2: up so that it's tried out of DC as it

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Speaker 2: relates to conduct while he was in office or right

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Speaker 2: after he was in office.

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Speaker 1: Any politician though, this would work on Buck and really

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Speaker 1: anybody who happens to have any kind of contact at

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Speaker 1: all with Washington d C.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is often an issue as well, even when

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Speaker 2: it comes to handling a classified information, because sometimes they'll

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Speaker 2: bring it in the district where you live.

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Speaker 1: They tried, they trying to do they at the last moment,

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Speaker 1: suddenly Jack Smith was like, I'm gonna have an issue

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Speaker 1: with jurisdiction, so he bumped at all that stuff down

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Speaker 1: to South Florida. But all the grand jury took place

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Speaker 1: in DC. Right.

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Speaker 2: But what I mean is that even if you're just

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Speaker 2: or national security issue, they can pretty much always bring

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Speaker 2: it in DC if they want to, because the seat

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Speaker 2: of government, right, or they can bring it in your

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Speaker 2: you know, for me, it would have been for years

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Speaker 2: the Southern District of New York, right or now I

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Speaker 2: guess it's the southern district of Florida.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even really sure if they call it the

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Speaker 1: same thing.

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Speaker 2: But point here being Clay, it's obvious abuse and the

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Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars that they want, all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's enraging. But at the same time, at the same

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Speaker 2: time as this is happening, Biden is losing. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Democrats know that, And so there is this possibility here,

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Speaker 2: the the the silver lining, or maybe much more than that.

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Speaker 2: The hope for the future here is all of the

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Speaker 2: stuff they're doing. The American people are figuring this out,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to backfire in the election.

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Speaker 1: That's what I hope.

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Speaker 2: And I also want to take some of the best

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Speaker 2: and worst president's calls that we've got here.

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Speaker 1: And let's really mix it up.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to just be Trump, Reagan and Trump

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Speaker 2: again on the best, you know, let's you know, if

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Speaker 2: you want to show yeah, I'm going historic, I mean

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Speaker 2: to a large exisi, should we do that? George w Bush?

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Speaker 2: George Washington? Sorry, should we do this at the top

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Speaker 2: of the next hour. Here's a question. Should I do mine?

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Speaker 2: At the top of the next hour. We'll continue to

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Speaker 2: take calls, and you do yours at the top of

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Speaker 2: the third hour. Should we spread it out that way?

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Speaker 1: Given the fact that it's President's Day and let people

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Speaker 1: to as well. That's true.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to some news, but we'll do some of

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take some of your calls here momentarily, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I want to give people positive news here on the

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Speaker 1: presidential odds market. I know people out there that are like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I hate the gambling markets, but this is poly market.

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Speaker 1: Right now, as we sit here on President President's Day,

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Speaker 1: Trump is surging right now, fifty five percent chance that

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Speaker 1: he's going to be elected. That is up fourteen points

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Speaker 1: since the beginning of the year. Biden has dropped four.

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Speaker 1: Michelle Obama up five. RFK Junior almost not here on

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Speaker 1: at all. A couple of other stats that I think

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Speaker 1: are interesting. Ninety nine percent gambling chance Trump is going

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Speaker 1: to win the South Carolina Republican primary, ninety percent gambling

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Speaker 1: chance he wins South Carolina by over twenty percent, eighty

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Speaker 1: seven percent chance he wins every primary state. Now, this

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Speaker 1: Reason why I bring this up. Axios this Morning has

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Speaker 1: an intro seeing concept where they say that Biden is

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Speaker 1: seeing now the state of the Union as his reassessment,

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Speaker 1: as his relaunch at an attempt to trying to take

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Speaker 1: away some of the momentum. So we'll see whether or not.

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Speaker 2: Funny if he came out with like like a like

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Speaker 2: a hair piece and he'd been taking some trt, all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's like RFK Junior doing push up shirtless,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, just working out, just working hard,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden all the sudden. I was saying off the air,

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Speaker 1: I want to know what they're shooting him up with

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Speaker 1: because I don't see how he's going to be able

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Speaker 1: to speak for an hour straight and be up that

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Speaker 1: late at night, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: But I tell him to take some Chad Moode chalk.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to give him the secret ingredient,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't want I don't

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Speaker 2: want to see him getting where he needs to be

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Speaker 2: with all that energy. Yeah, let's say we got Robert

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Speaker 2: in Texas. Best presidents, worst presidents. Let's go, Robert. What

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Speaker 2: have you got? I got George Washington because without him

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Speaker 2: we wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln, we know what he did and then Ronald

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Speaker 1: Reagan for the best, the worst, Biden Obama, and then Carter.

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Speaker 1: So hold on, Robert, do you think the worst presidents

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Speaker 1: that have ever existed have all happened in the last

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Speaker 1: forty years? Yes? I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I would look for the call. Look,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you can make you make case.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Carter was. Okay, this is our callers.

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Speaker 2: You're all entitled your opinions, and these are just our

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Speaker 2: opinions in response to your opinions. I don't think Carter

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Speaker 2: was that bad because here's the thing. Carter loved America.

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Speaker 2: He just had he was just had some bad policy ideas,

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Speaker 2: but he wasn't actively trying to destroy the American experiment.

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Speaker 2: I would argue, for example, in that era, LBJ far

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Speaker 2: worse than Jimmy Carter, far.

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Speaker 1: Because of acceleration of Vietnam and everything that was associated.

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Speaker 2: And gracious Great Society programs and the creation of the

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Speaker 2: welfare state. And I think LBJ far worse than Jimmy Carter.

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Speaker 2: I think Jimmy Carter he was ineffectual, but not malicious.

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Speaker 2: I think LBJ was malicious. By the way, I would

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Speaker 2: make a similar analysis to Obama and Biden. I think

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Speaker 2: the changes that Obama did were intentional and malicious, whereas

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Speaker 2: Biden is an imbecile with the people around him making

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Speaker 2: the decisions. I never made that case about Obama when

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Speaker 2: he was in office. It wasn't oh, the other people

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Speaker 2: are running things. No, Obama was an ideologue. I'll get

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Speaker 2: people riled up. I actually think George W. Bush was

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Speaker 2: an awful president because of.

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Speaker 1: The war in Iraq. You got to think long term.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I don't when you say, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I think the three worst American presidents were all in

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Speaker 1: the last forty year. Don't think he's a top three.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like the war in Iraq. To me,

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Speaker 1: if you mentioned LBJ, if you get people into a

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Speaker 1: war based on a false premise, the idea of weapons

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Speaker 1: of mass destruction arguably create a situation. I mean, is

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Speaker 1: Iraq I mean you you went over. Is Iraq any

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Speaker 1: better now than it was after we spent trillions of dollars? Like,

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Speaker 1: do you think that the iraqis It's like, it's a

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Speaker 1: little better.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure trillions of dollars and thousands of US

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Speaker 2: lives worth it better, but it's a little better than

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Speaker 2: would you rather have Afghanistan is basically.

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Speaker 1: No better, but no no better at all.

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Speaker 2: Right, we just killed a bunch of Bat al Qaida guys,

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Speaker 2: but they're training over there right now.

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Speaker 1: If you asked, right now, would you rather have all

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Speaker 1: the trillions of dollars we spent in Afghanistan in Iraq

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Speaker 1: back in the United States to just to take off

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Speaker 1: the national debt right now and certainly have all the

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Speaker 1: lives or would you rather have what happened in Afghanistan

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Speaker 1: in Iraq as we sit here today, I think almost

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Speaker 1: no one in America would say, oh, it was time

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Speaker 1: and life and money well spent. That to me is

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Speaker 1: why I look at George W. Bush and say that

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Speaker 1: was a mitigated I think, I think George W. Bush

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Speaker 1: then he falls into my analysis of Carter, which is

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Speaker 1: a well intentioned man and a patriot who made really

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Speaker 1: bad decisions and mess things up. But let's let's keep

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Speaker 1: this conversation going all today on the show