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Speaker 2: I'm good. How you guys doing.

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Speaker 3: We're good Class two thousand and six. We're in the building.

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Speaker 4: Mean, you're a big time you're Virginia cavalier. I mean,

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Speaker 2: The dorms are different. They redid the dorms. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: I used to live in old dorms, old Humphreys, and

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of a lot of new a.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's keeping up with the Joneses absolutely all right now.

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Speaker 4: The one thing that I did not know until we

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Speaker 4: is that you only missed one snap. That's crazy, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So you missed one? Man, how did you? First of all,

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Speaker 4: how did you manage to do that? And I'll share

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Speaker 4: Week seventeen versus the Dolphins. You guys are going to

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Speaker 4: lose the game, and they just pulled you out the last.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we did lose the game, but we're

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Speaker 3: Do the the ra throw throw it back.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work, and that was the play.

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Speaker 4: Think the Cowboys, Let's or something like this this past

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Speaker 2: Very rare that you know, it's like, if you have

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Speaker 1: So another another another player that has a similar stat

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Speaker 2: Did they did come to me? It wasn't as you

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, tell me this though, all right, back

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Speaker 4: How's your body feeling now? I mean you did all

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Speaker 4: Gets your body good, genuinely because you're that bigger guy.

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Speaker 3: You look good, all that joints and all that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I think as a younger child, I was

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Speaker 3: You know, there are a lot of similarities.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the taekwondo or the martial arts played

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Speaker 3: Are you willing to be a travel nurse?

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Speaker 2: Travel nursing a little challenging with kids.

436
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's back up, guys, we're gonna go.

437
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: In the RV. You know, Lord, that's what's up.

438
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: Though, Man, I think I like that I kind of

439
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: found myself in your I can identify with that because

440
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: when I retired, I I did some media stuff for

441
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: a while and I enjoyed it. I just didn't have

442
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: fun with it immediately. It was fun, it was good,

443
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 1: but it just wasn't like I needed something just a

444
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: little bit different.

445
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Speaker 5: And then now, you know.

446
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: Six almost six years later, you know, I'm kind of

447
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: back in the media and now I'm I'm loving every

448
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 1: minute of it.

449
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: You know.

450
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 4: It's also about the company you keep.

451
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely about the company.

452
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: It's my guy, say he's been partnering crime. I will say,

453
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: I did this show by myself and it was trash.

454
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: I was terrible, but I needed somebody to help me.

455
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: And this has been my guy, even Age Boone Cooon

456
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,959
Speaker 1: since since yeah, since day one.

457
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I appreciate you.

458
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 4: So let's talk about somebody that is helping, and that's

459
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 4: you break your foundation really high value in.

460
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Speaker 3: Education in our youth.

461
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Speaker 4: Could you talk about what clearly education has been a

462
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Speaker 4: big part of your life and I can tell your

463
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 4: mom's a big influence on that. Maybe just share with

464
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Speaker 4: us the importance of it with you, your foundation and

465
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Speaker 4: the educational part of it.

466
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Speaker 2: And I think that was something earlier on that we

467
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 2: were like, look, everybody doesn't have this opportunity to play

468
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Speaker 2: in the NFL. I had people who I went to

469
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: school with and for whatever reason, weren't given the same opportunities,

470
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Speaker 2: whether financially, to go to college and do those things right.

471
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Speaker 2: So I wanted to be able to financially give scholarships

472
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Speaker 2: but also have transition programs. You know, what is it

473
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Speaker 2: like to be a student athlete. So we had like

474
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Speaker 2: skills and drills. How do you learn? How do you

475
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: what are some of the learning skills? Are you more auditory?

476
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: Do you have to write things down? Like can you

477
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: see like what visual?

478
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 3: Like?

479
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: What are your learning skills? And so we would bring

480
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: in different professionals, even a little finance. You know, do

481
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: you want to get that credit card in college or

482
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: do you just not mill? Don't you just get the

483
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: meal plan, eat the nasty pasta. But you're not going

484
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: to be in debt when you're thirty, right, So it's

485
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Speaker 2: like you learn those little skills and it was just

486
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Speaker 2: a way to kind of equip students as they transition

487
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Speaker 2: into college.

488
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Speaker 6: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

489
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Speaker 6: back in a minute.

490
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Speaker 4: All right, So what was your welcome to the NFL moment?

491
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Speaker 2: Well, one of the positive welcome to the NFL moment

492
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: was the draft, and I think that was an exciting,

493
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: exciting time. I remember my first game Tennessee Titans went

494
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: against Travis Leboy and I'm like, man, I could do this.

495
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: I think I could play. I've also went against some

496
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 2: other guys where I'm like, I don't I don't know

497
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: if this is for me, And I think I got

498
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: to think about this. I was going against Warren Sap

499
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: one game and he's just telling me what I was

500
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 2: doing wrong, too hot, rookie, too high, sank and I'm like, oh,

501
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 2: you know, I was like, man, I don't know.

502
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think i've ever heard somebody.

503
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: I was early.

504
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: I was early in the game, but I was older.

505
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: I went against DeMarcus where did the same thing, you know,

506
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: you know, sack my quarterback.

507
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: Hey Brick, how you doing you?

508
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: All right?

509
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 3: Man?

510
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, get off me.

511
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: I don't know you stop.

512
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: We're not friends, but yeah, you know something, I disliked

513
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: the nice guys more than I like the angry guys.

514
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: Like the angry guys, I like, I don't like you either.

515
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: The nice guys are like, hey, man, you know the

516
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: sack you you sack a quarterback and they help you.

517
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 3: It's the nicest guy.

518
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: He hated him for because I didn't want to jam him,

519
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: because I was just like, I want to just shoot you, but.

520
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: Then you'll crack blocking when you're not watching.

521
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 3: It's like with.

522
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: That Hines Lord.

523
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: Fits is.

524
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 5: That's that's him, all right.

525
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: So let's let's let's do these quick hitters real quick.

526
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: So obviously we all have to retire, and we all

527
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: have to try to figure out something.

528
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: Uh what we're gonna do? What would what?

529
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: What would be your advice to a newly freshly retired

530
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: NFL player?

531
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: Self awareness is key, really learning like who am I,

532
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: what do I do well? What don't I do well?

533
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: And not from us like not presenting to other people,

534
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: but like understanding self like, what are the areas that

535
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: I really struggle with? And because I think those are

536
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: the things that don't go away, you'll you'll still be

537
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: with those as you go to all these different places.

538
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 2: And so I think learning that as best as you

539
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: can is helpful. That could be done through therapy, that

540
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: could be done through church, that could be done through friendship.

541
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 2: I think it's a collection of everything. You know, some

542
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: really tight friendships where people are just telling you about

543
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: you and not just you know, telling you maybe what

544
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: you want to hear or what has always been the norm.

545
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: But I think if you know yourself a little bit better,

546
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: you can make decisions that are more in line with

547
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: who you are, particularly as a retired athlete.

548
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: All Right, so I'm supposed to ask you a quick hitter,

549
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: but I gotta I gotta know this one. Because you

550
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: got paid when nobody went back in the day before

551
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: they changed the SBOCA. What was your first big splurge purchase.

552
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, so I was I was one of those

553
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: rookies that like didn't it was new to me, so

554
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: I didn't want to touch it, you know, I didn't

555
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: know what to do. And so here's a funny story.

556
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure you don't know. This one my offense on line,

557
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: my brothers in the trenches. They would find me every

558
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: day until I bought a new car. I had a

559
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: four Tourist green I think it was nineteen eighty three, and.

560
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 3: You were rolling through this every day. How long did

561
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: you know?

562
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: Then I upgraded my bed. I'm sorry. So my dad

563
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: he used to have cars for work, business cars, and

564
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: you can have the option to buy it. So it's

565
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: like a two thousand and two gray gun metal four

566
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: tours and I had that, and my all lineman would

567
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: find me. Pete Kendall, Brandon Moore, Anthony Clement, they would

568
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: find me.

569
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: How much were they finding you every day?

570
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 5: I don't know.

571
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: I don't remember. At this point, I guess it was

572
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: just enough where I knew that I was messing up.

573
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 4: It was just annoying.

574
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: It was just annoying. And I did buy a car.

575
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: It was like a new car, but it wasn't the

576
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: latest model. And then I got disappointment looks on them,

577
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: They're like, this is what you bought. So it was hard.

578
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: It was hard from the beginning. You know, there was

579
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: another player like me who was like, yeah, save your money,

580
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: do all the things that you're supposed to do. I

581
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: wasn't getting that positive reinforcement.

582
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 4: And my last question break is who's on your mount

583
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 4: rushmore of influence in your life, whether it's sports, personally, emotionally. Uh,

584
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: it's four and I'd like to know your personal mount.

585
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: Rushb m hmm. Definitely my my I'll say my parents.

586
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: They're they're a unit. They're solidied, all right.

587
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 3: Can we count him as one?

588
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, willcount them as one. I have a principal. His

589
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: name is Jim Brown. He's somebody who I feel kind

590
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: of led the way early was this high school, junior

591
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: high really junior high school, junior high school. But we've

592
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: been in I met with him recently. We stayed in contact.

593
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: I was in his wedding, like you know, and I

594
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: think he provided a sense of leadership outside of you know,

595
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: that family household. I would see him in school and

596
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: everybody had that his respect. I would I want to

597
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: say a pastor, pastor Harry J.

598
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: White.

599
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: He's sense deceased, but he was a natural encourager. You know,

600
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: he got out of his way to acknowledge myself and

601
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: my brother, even to the point where you get in trouble,

602
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: right because you can't be calling out people's kids. And

603
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: then you know, there's a whole church of kids, and man,

604
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: these these Burgerson boys, oh man and these other children.

605
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: Everybody in the church. Just clap your hands for the youth,

606
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: for the youth. And uh you know, so he was.

607
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: He was definitely somebody who I felt was impactful. And

608
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: I'll give you in the coaching spirit. Uh, he was

609
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: my Showta con instructor. His name is Ray Bobin.

610
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: For those that don't know what shodakan is.

611
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: So it's a Japanese style of martial arts. You know.

612
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: Back when we grew up, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, like

613
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: Jackie Chan that was everything. That was everything. Nowadays it's like, oh,

614
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: that's that's nice, that that's cool.

615
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: But it was Steve.

616
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: So that was the beginning and and so they even

617
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: had it, you know, it was retro. I don't remember

618
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: if you uh he's an actor, Jim Kelly the uh

619
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: he was like, uh, he's a black martial artist back

620
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: in the day.

621
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

622
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: So it's like my my learning was from uh, like

623
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: I said, brother, very strong, but it was like the

624
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: beginnings of discipline. There's a point where the novelty wears off,

625
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this anymore, and you look

626
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: at your parents and like this is we're doing this, and.

627
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: You're like, but I.

628
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: So it becomes hard. You're doing your pushups, you're you're

629
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: doing all the things that you don't want to do,

630
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: but you're learning your body, you're learning how to fight

631
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: through things. And so when I met my high school coach,

632
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: I leaned on this. Then I met my college coach,

633
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: I leaned on high school. When I met it always

634
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: got harder, it never got easy, it never got easier,

635
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: but I had something to lean on. And I think

636
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: those individuals like that provided foundation throughout my whole life

637
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: that I can use even today as I reflect on

638
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: you know, everything, And I think even as I get older,

639
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: I have a different type of respect for my mom.

640
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: I have a different type of respect for pastor White

641
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: because now I know them, I know more of their story.

642
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: Now when I've heard things that have popped up, it's

643
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: like I'm seeing that as an adult and not as

644
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: a kid, you know, and so it's like, oh, wow, Okay,

645
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: there's depth here. It's not exactly what I thought when

646
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: I was a child, but it's actually even richer. Now

647
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: you know, when I think of my old instructor, I

648
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: think of my old principle, It's like they just provided

649
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: leadership at a time that I didn't even realize I needed,

650
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: but it was there and it was a pillar, you know'

651
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: that's dope.

652
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm using that just what I lean on.

653
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to tell that to my son because

654
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: good luck, yeah, good luck.

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Speaker 5: I'm still gonna use it though. We're gonna see what happens.

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Speaker 4: Pete and son is the same kid that gets his

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Speaker 4: socks wet, takes him off, and then when he needs

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Speaker 4: to go put shoes on, puts the same wet sox on.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting there. He is extremely consistent. So I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love quality. You know, how is your transition? You

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Speaker 2: know we've been out, we've been out the league for

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Speaker 2: some amount of times. I mean, I the last time

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Speaker 2: we had spoken was during that Columbia University, you know,

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Speaker 2: and so at that time it seemed, you know, that

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Speaker 2: was that time. So just like a snapshot, like house's

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Speaker 2: life change for you, guys words, it brought you.

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Speaker 3: So deep brick.

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Speaker 4: At that point in time, I had three kids, and

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Speaker 4: now I have four at a COVID child, another baby boy.

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Speaker 4: Me and my wife are still married. But at that

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Speaker 4: point in time, I was not doing anything. I was

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Speaker 4: literally just trying to figure out what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 3: I took three hundred and sixty five.

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Speaker 4: Days did nothing, and then once I did that, this

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Speaker 4: was part of my after three sixty five days when

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Speaker 4: I was taking the class at Columbia and and really

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Speaker 4: just trying to figure out what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 4: And so since then now I work for ESPN SEC Network.

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Speaker 4: So so Saturdays, we got a show called SEC Nation,

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Speaker 4: so we travel around the SEC were covering all the teams,

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Speaker 4: and I do a show on Tuesday night.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing this as well and in some other real

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Speaker 4: estate place around the South that I'm kind of trying

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Speaker 4: to be looking out for and things like that. So

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Speaker 4: that's really what consumes my life and four kids. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean that's that's all I got. But I live

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Speaker 4: in Charlotte. We got to exchange numbers because you know,

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Speaker 4: you're one of my favorite people when we get together.

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Speaker 2: That's how I praise. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I did the I did Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: I did that for a while. Just got out of that,

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Speaker 1: did some law enforcement. Now I'm working with Rome. We're

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Speaker 1: doing this show right here, got four kits.

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Speaker 3: I'm busy. I'm busy with my.

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Speaker 5: Kids and uh yeah, that's that's that's about it.

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Speaker 3: But hey, man, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: H this is one of the best interviews we've had,

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Speaker 4: just purely because you were so open candidate, and you

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Speaker 4: really gave like the listeners and viewers like a real

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Speaker 4: insight on like not just telling you what to do,

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Speaker 4: but like some steps to achieve it. Also being vulnerable

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Speaker 4: and like, look, man, it was a lot of growth

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Speaker 4: and like the things that happened in my past were

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Speaker 4: it wasn't always good. Actually, when I got continue to advance,

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Speaker 4: I needed to lean on those rough times absolut to

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Speaker 4: continue to push me and to tell me I'm award

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Speaker 4: for the next journey.

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Speaker 3: Like you don't even see.

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Speaker 4: What's out there, but the things that you're going through

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Speaker 4: now is it's really going to get you through the

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Speaker 4: next the next one. And uh man, that was just

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Speaker 4: really deep and good, bro. It was getting ship very

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Speaker 4: genuine well break man. Appreciate it, man, Thank you for

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Speaker 4: joining us. Man, you were off the hot seat.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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