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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Nola. They called me Ben.

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Speaker 2: We're joined as always with our superducer Paul Mission Control decades.

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Speaker 2: Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes

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Speaker 2: this the stuff they don't want you to know. Shout

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Speaker 3: Huh oh jeez, it was right.

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Speaker 2: It would have been remiss of us not to have

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Speaker 2: that wordplay hashtag no pun left behind. We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about some very strange things in this week's Strange

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Speaker 2: News segment. The US Navy is up to something and

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Speaker 2: I might end up being an episode of this show.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I picture like they were up to making an

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Speaker 4: episode of our show in secret that they will then

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Speaker 4: use to compete with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, their budget gets weird this time of year. And

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Speaker 2: let's see Delaware. Delaware has an exciting new opportunity for

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Speaker 2: people who want to vote more than once, or for

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Speaker 2: people who are worried that corporations don't get enough of

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Speaker 2: a say in government. And of course, in the time

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Speaker 2: since we last spoke, a very very strange, messy and

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Speaker 2: complicated situation happened in Russia. Maybe we start there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, I brought this one to

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Speaker 4: And Ben, you're kind of our resident international affairs I

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Speaker 4: Wagner Group, which is the most like, well, first of all,

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Speaker 4: if you pronounce it Wagner like, I've heard a lot

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Speaker 4: They're a paramilitary group, I guess a essentially mercenaries feels

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Speaker 4: like a loaded term. Ben, you might say, that's exactly

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Speaker 4: what they are. They're an army for hire, right, and

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Speaker 4: apparently for twenty four hours over the weekend they tried

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Speaker 4: his name is yev Getny Pregosian. Interesting background to this guy.

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Speaker 4: He was like a catering magnate in Russia. Like he

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Speaker 4: and then establish this paramilitary group, which is sort of

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Speaker 4: But he also denies that. So it's a real foggy,

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Speaker 3: Can I just point out exactly one year ago we

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Speaker 3: as of that front. That's spooky Thursday that we're recording this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Check it out, street name Putin's chef. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 2: that's an excellent setup for log and that episode holds

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Speaker 2: And the reason it might sound weird, right, especially before

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Speaker 2: It was blatant. It was like stupid, obvious what was

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Speaker 2: So on June twenty third, Pregosian he called it a

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Speaker 4: Like almost like he refers to it as like a demonstration,

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't spill Russian blood, which is why he called

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Speaker 4: But you mentioned tension, but like this sounds this reeks

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Speaker 4: There there's serious tensions between the official military and Pregosians,

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Speaker 4: So this my understanding, and maybe I'm completely way off.

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Speaker 4: We have to listen to whatever the Hermit sends in

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Speaker 3: Us for talking about this. But you know, my understanding

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Speaker 3: for justice. It's because you attacked us, We're gonna attack you.

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Speaker 2: There were ratcheting tensions though, because Wagner had also Pregosion

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Speaker 4: But Ben, when you say get a jail free card,

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Speaker 2: some interesting scuttle But in the news recently, I think

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Speaker 2: Lukashenko actually flew off the Turkey for a bit while

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Speaker 4: I think that's why I was looking for that one

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Speaker 4: reported pretty significantly underreported, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the beginning for sure. I mean it's made it

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Speaker 2: And we have returned. Let's talk fun geographical facts. Let's

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Speaker 2: You are set to win at a very specific trivia

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Speaker 2: because one city in Delaware is currently set to give

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Speaker 3: You know what? It sounds so Delaware to me, You know, what.

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Speaker 2: The laws of Delaware financially are already very very lase

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Speaker 2: Right? So, like, what do you think do you guys

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine the legal red tape that's going to

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Speaker 2: Yep. And this brings us to a couple of troubling things.

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Speaker 2: Here's the first plot twist. If this passes in Seaford,

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Speaker 2: You know. Wow, And companies already just get a sense

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Speaker 3: Let's do it, and then let's build a couple more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's we need to get into the shell game, right.

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Speaker 2: Do you live in Delaware? What's your opinion on the

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Speaker 2: as a citizen. They'll just outvote you. You can still

433
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: vote and it won't matter.

434
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 4: Is there really any way to walk it back? Though?

435
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 4: I just feel like, you know, with things like Citizens

436
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 4: United and like all of that stuff, like the Badger's

437
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 4: kind of out of the bag, and it just feels

438
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: like we're heading more and more and more in that direction.

439
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 4: And that's just sort of like the end game of

440
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 4: capitalism sort of writ large and I mean short of

441
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 4: just like anarchist type behavior or like you know, domestic terrorism,

442
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: not advocating that fight club type stuff, you know what

443
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 4: I mean, Like, what what do you what do you

444
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: do to combat the ever increasing presence of the corporation

445
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 4: and the ever shrinking power of the individual?

446
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: You don't, bro, you get a Waldo moment and that's

447
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: it black.

448
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: Talking about black Mirror. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly, the

449
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: one about the cartoon character that basically becomes a dictator.

450
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And there's another there's another twist of this

451
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: that might be positive for some of the villains in

452
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: the crowd tonight. Delaware is one of the only three

453
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: states that allows you to vote in a local election

454
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: without being a resident. You can have a place right,

455
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: or you can have your LLC and stuff like this passes.

456
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: Then you can fuss with local government and people's rights

457
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: without ever leaving your home in California or Boston or

458
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: Singapore or wherever. I feel like this is you know what,

459
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: it's a good time to be a bad person. That's

460
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: probably the takeaway for the current environment. Now, maybe being nihilistic,

461
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: you guys, I don't think this is going to be

462
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: a flash in the pan moment. I feel like this

463
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: is a precedent. This is something that we are going

464
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: to look back on it in the mid to long

465
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: term and we won't be able to quite put our

466
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: finger on when the switch occurred, but we'll know when

467
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: people began to slip down the slope into corporatism and oligarchy. Well,

468
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm bummed out, So I think we're going to call it.

469
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's I mean, unless you guys have do

470
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: you have an answer? Do you guys solve this? No?

471
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: No, I'm sorry for posing the most nihilistic of questions.

472
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 4: It's just I don't know, it just feels it feels

473
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: a little dire at times, you know what I mean.

474
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Speaker 4: I don't know how to go.

475
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: I don't know where to go from there.

476
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: It's nice to be able to get stuff and have

477
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: nice things and you know, buildings and stuff. I don't know.

478
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, guys, no worries.

479
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: Let's you know where we go? We go to the

480
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: Land of Ads, and we're going to return with something

481
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: completely different but also incredibly conspiratorial and corrupt.

482
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Speaker 3: All right, we're back, guys. I have to tell you

483
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: about the story I wanted to run with initially, but

484
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: I found some weird things and decided not to do it.

485
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: But I want to give you an overview because there

486
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 3: are a couple thought experiments that maybe lie within for

487
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Speaker 3: for listeners and for you guys. Looked into motor fuel tax.

488
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Speaker 3: Oh terribly exciting concept. Gas tax. How much we pay

489
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Speaker 3: at the pump to Uncle Sam, no matter which of

490
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: the fifty states you're in, or Puerto Rico or Washington, DC.

491
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: So there's this whole thing, guys, where there's not enough

492
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Speaker 3: gas being sold to be taxed to fund all of

493
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: the things that that tax money is supposed to fund.

494
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Speaker 3: It's an amount year over a year that's been declining.

495
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: It's been on the decline for a long time. So

496
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Speaker 3: the government is basically trying to figure out how to

497
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Speaker 3: get the money to pay for the infrastructure. Having a

498
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: giant infrastructure bill helps, right, which is a very political thing.

499
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: So first of all, I thought it was getting too political.

500
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: Then it started to get a little too ridiculous with

501
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: the facts and the figures and how all the calculations

502
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Speaker 3: are made and how the money gets pushed forward. And

503
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Speaker 3: the whole reason I wanted to even talk about the

504
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: dang thing because it's so tremendously boring, was because some

505
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: of the fixes to the problem I thought you guys

506
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: would really like them. One of the main ones I

507
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: saw is a pilot program that's happening in I think

508
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: Oregon State and maybe a couple other places, where rather

509
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: than taxing on the gas at the pump that you

510
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: put into your vehicle, the government in the state would

511
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: instead attach a little thing to your vehicle that would

512
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: guess what it would.

513
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: Do, play lay alternative, jazz.

514
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: Fusion, baby fusion, jazz fusion, Does it track you is?

515
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: It would basically be an odometer reader the secondary thing

516
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: that transmits the information to the government so that they

517
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: can see the distance your vehicle has traveled, and they

518
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: would tax you based on the distance rather than the

519
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: amount of fuel used. Okay, sounds fine, right, not really.

520
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: Like a lot of possible gnarly ways that could.

521
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: I feel like again, I feel like all a lot

522
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: of our problems are going to be solved if we

523
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: just phony up the cash and start some LLC's, you

524
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Then we can just put whatever

525
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: consequences of our bad driving into the shell company and

526
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: limit our liability. Also that we got a really interesting letter, uh,

527
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: concerning the way that come automobile companies are using your

528
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: data and making it an income stream. So again, you know,

529
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: and Doora's jar is unscrewed. We can't get we can't

530
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: get this stuff back. We can't walk it back. Yes,

531
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: and now now it's just a question of who uses

532
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: this information and for what purpose?

533
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: Hmmmm uhm, Well, the government, the state government and the

534
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: federal government working together to better serve you with interstates

535
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: and highways.

536
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 4: That sounds nice.

537
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: How cool with that?

538
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, sell me the T shirt too while you're at it.

539
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: Guys, I'm telling you if if you want, I always

540
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: get on this hobby horse man. The interstate system is

541
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: amazing And the only reason it happened is because it

542
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: was a matter of national defense. If you want something

543
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: done in the United States, doesn't matter what you're talking about,

544
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: somehow relate it to the boogeyman of national defense at

545
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: national security, like the way to get first world or

546
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: developed world healthcare in this country is to think, is

547
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: to present it as a security risk. It's one hundred

548
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: percent the way to do it, YO by time.

549
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: All right though, that's next up, fixing the healthcare in

550
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: the United States. But another weird thing happened with that

551
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: story that hearkens back to. I can't remember who does

552
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: this segment one of the late night I think it

553
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: may have been Conan. Maybe I'm wrong. One of the

554
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: late night talk show hosts used to do a thing

555
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: where they're like, they would show a local news cast

556
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: and the you know, the two newscasters on that Fox

557
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: channel would say, as fuel tax plummets State's way charging

558
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 3: by the mile instead of the tank. And then it

559
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: would cut to another, you know, a CBS channel, and

560
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: it would be two different hosts, and they would say,

561
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: as fuel Tax's plummet states Way care charging while you know,

562
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: they say the same headline over and over and over

563
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: and over and over again. This whole story to me

564
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: reads as something weird like that because you can find

565
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: it in a ton of Fox affiliates and NBC and

566
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: ABC and CBS affiliates and an AP I think maybe

567
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: an original AP article or story that was written by

568
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: Julie Carr Smith or Smyth s M y t H.

569
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: But it's just really weird to me that so many

570
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: of these outlets pick it up and use the same headline,

571
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: the same stuff. They literally just copy and paste in

572
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: a article and everybody reads the same thing, which makes

573
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 3: it feel like a press release for someone, which makes

574
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 3: it feel just icky and weird, Like why are you

575
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: it's showing us this weird?

576
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should feel itchy weird because it is itchy weird.

577
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: And I remember the segments you're describing to. It's when

578
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: you see clips like that, everybody shod watch these if

579
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: you haven't seen it before, see compilations of ostensibly different

580
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: and distinct news organizations, same word for word, the same

581
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: on message things. It's disturbing and illustrative of just how

582
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: thoroughly corporations control the message.

583
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: And groups and other groups.

584
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: Not just corporations, not just corporate yes, not just corporations,

585
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: other vampires as well.

586
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, if anybody you know watched Succession, or

587
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: if there's anything to maybe take away from Succession is

588
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: that it's all kind of fake news. It's all sort

589
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 4: of driven by what gets the most clicks, what gets

590
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: the most the highest ratings. And you know, now it's

591
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 4: even funny, like with all this stuff going on with Trump,

592
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 4: with this indictment, he's now calling Fox News the fake

593
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: news as well. So it's just, you know, it all

594
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 4: just depends on your perspective. I guess as to which

595
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 4: which corporation's pulling the strings and who it benefits, and

596
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 4: when it stops benefiting you, you know, in your particular position,

597
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, you know, it's easier to

598
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: throw that organization under the bus as well.

599
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 2: Oh wait, that's right. We have to say this as well.

600
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: Whenever we mention these kind of things, please note that

601
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: they do not apply in any way to good old

602
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: fashioned family run businesses like Illumination Global Unlimited.

603
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: Never no association, never deceived. In this particular case, the

604
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: reason I said not just corporations is because we discovered

605
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: something brand new. Guys. It's an acronym for an organization.

606
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: And here it is. Let's see if we can guess

607
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 3: what it is. Please don't look it up. Ashte a

608
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: a s H.

609
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: T O American Association. That's correct, okay, ash toe American Association.

610
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: How is it spelled against A A s H t

611
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: o AA s h t O American Association swindling homeowners

612
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: terrifically often.

613
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 4: Or perhaps Satanist hellions. Yeah, terribly ablest Okay, so it is.

614
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: It's the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials.

615
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: There is a whole group, like a group that meets

616
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: together of the major officials from all the states in

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00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico and dc UH and they kind of get

618
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: together and decide they make five year plans. I looked

619
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: up this thing. They've got a strategic plan from twenty

620
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: twenty one to twenty twenty six that you can look up.

621
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Speaker 3: I feel like they're in the mix here somewhere with

622
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 3: trying to figure this thing out, because you know, they

623
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: have to find ways to pay for all the roads

624
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: and they can't get the gas tax. So then you

625
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: put out an article like this and everybody reads the

626
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: same thing and gets excited about plugging something into your

627
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: car to get taxed on your mileage. I don't know,

628
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: that's just me, I.

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Speaker 2: Hear you, man, I don't This might sound out of character,

630
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: but I don't see a problem with groups like that

631
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: getting together. If they're officials, I feel like you would

632
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: expect them to collaborate, right, because the roads go everywhere.

633
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 3: No, you're absolutely right, Ben. They describe themselves as a nonprofit,

634
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: non partisan association representing highway and transportation departments in the

635
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: fifty States, District of Columbia and Puerto Rico. It represents

636
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: all transportation modes, including air, highways, public transportation, active transportation, rail,

637
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: and water. Sounds great to me. It feels like it

638
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: could be used as a pack if it needed to

639
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 3: it in that way, for sure, But I'm not I

640
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: don't know.

641
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: And pack we mean political action committee?

642
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought you meant like a pact with the devil.

643
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: That's sorry, I mean six and one hand.

644
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: Well, guys, we've talked about that for a little longer

645
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: than I expected. I'm sorry about that. But here's my

646
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: official story for today's strange news. Comes from The Guardian,

647
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 3: posted on June twenty fifth, written by Tom Perkins. US

648
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Speaker 3: Navy accused of cover up over radio active shipyard wasste

649
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Speaker 3: radioactive shipyard wist. No story, guys, classic tale that we've

650
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: heard before, right, this kind of thing, not necessarily the Navy,

651
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 3: not necessarily radioactive waste. But there's this place on earth

652
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: there in the Bay area of San Francisco Bay. It's

653
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: called the old Hunter's Point Shipyard. This is a naval

654
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: shipyard that was in use from nineteen thirty nine, let

655
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: me get this right, until nineteen seventy four, officially as

656
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: an active shipyard. Then it got shut down. They maybe

657
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: stopped using it for those purposes, And in nineteen eighty nine,

658
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 3: the US government designated this whole area, this whole piece

659
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Speaker 3: of the San Francisco Bay as a superfund site. Guys,

660
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: what's a superfund site?

661
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: It's like a playground with like water slides and bouncy houses.

662
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 4: And now I think I've made that joke before, forgive me.

663
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 4: But when I worked for public radio, the people who

664
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Speaker 4: were much more senior than me, who've been doing it

665
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: for a long time, started throwing that term around, and

666
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 4: I didn't have the courage to ask them what it meant.

667
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 4: But in my mind, initially I thought, oh, this sounds

668
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: like a good time. It is a site, a cleanup

669
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: site of radioactive waste that is receiving essentially government money

670
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: to in an effort to clean up past pollution. You know,

671
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: oftentimes it will be around the production of nuclear weapons.

672
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: It will be perhaps a decommissioned nuclear power plant, something

673
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 4: like that. It can be any number of things or

674
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 4: a mine.

675
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of like closed down minds are super

676
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: fun sites. You nailed it, nol any anything that requires

677
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: long term cleanup of hazardous materials, and do think of

678
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: hazardous material as a heck of an umbrella. Term super

679
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: funds didn't really weren't really an official thing until the

680
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties. And they've got a lot of work ahead

681
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 2: of them. They're doing they're doing important things. But sometimes

682
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: doing the right thing puts you in opposition to very

683
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: powerful entities. So the EPA definitely has an uphill battle

684
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: pretty often.

685
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 3: Yes, and there are a lot of super fun sites. Well,

686
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: there's a lot of them. Well this particular, guys, we're

687
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: connecting all the all the segments together. Here. In the

688
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 3: year two thousand, in the U two thousand, eighty six

689
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: percent of San Francisco voters past a thing called Proposition P.

690
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: This is like local election stuff, right that we were

691
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: talking about local regulatory voting stuff. Proposition P declared that

692
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: this area, the old Hunter's Point Shipyard, would be quote

693
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: cleaned to a level which would enable the unrestricted use

694
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Speaker 3: of the property. The highest standard for cleanup established by

695
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: the EPA, So eighty nine it's a super fund. Just

696
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: eleven years later, San Francisco votes, we're going to use

697
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: this land, but you government are going to clean it

698
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: up first. But we're going to make use of it

699
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: because guys, it's a beautiful piece of the San Francisco

700
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: Bay and it's it's not massive, but it's good.

701
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: So it's also land in San Francisco.

702
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 3: Exactly where humans going to be. So guess what. Guess

703
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: what's been happening on parts of this land because this

704
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: is a large area. But on parts of this land,

705
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: homes have been going up, you know, places where kids

706
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: are going to be, uh place, businesses they've been going up.

707
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 3: And guess what. A lot of the people living there

708
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: have been getting diseases cancer. Yeah, and so in twenty

709
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: eleven there was a lot of action taken over basically,

710
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 3: let's test all of these areas again, let's see where

711
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: the problems are. It doesn't seem to be cleaned up

712
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: to the point where it needs to be. Those results

713
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: were let's say, people had differences of opinion on the

714
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: results of some of the testing. There was more testing

715
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: and more further testing, and there's a lot I'm not

716
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: even going into most of this stuff. There's some excellent

717
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: reporting out of NBC Bay Area stuff that was posted

718
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: last December. I think the reporter's name is Jackson, ja Xon,

719
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: vander Becken, vander Beacon. I apologize, Jackson. You did some

720
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: excellent reporting at the time for NBC. You can find

721
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: a video titled Navy rejects data showing Hunter's points strontium

722
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: ninety hotspots as skewed. The reason why that report is

723
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: so important is because there are various rounds of testing

724
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: done for this particular thing, strontium ninety, which is really

725
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: really bad. Guys. It gets in your bones. You can

726
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: use strontium to tell where human beings have lived over

727
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: the course of their lives by testing the strontium in

728
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 3: your teeth. It's kind of weird stuff. There's some weird

729
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: signs behind it. Strontium ninety really bad, not good, and

730
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: this place apparently had lots of it, and it was

731
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: known to have lots of strontium ninety in the soil,

732
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: in the building materials, all over the place. Some testing

733
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: came back that there were a lot of hot spots,

734
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: but then basically the Navy came back with more further testing,

735
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: and it showed that there was zero zero strontium in

736
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 3: several places, which is, guess what impossible. You can't have

737
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: zero strontium because it's in the soil, it's everywhere, there's

738
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: little bits of.

739
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: It, which is okay, rights, it's gonna have.

740
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: Regular strontium is fine, it's non toxic. It's not radioactive.

741
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 2: Stratium ninety is it's made by nuclear reactions, right, fission,

742
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: isn't it. It's a product of fission.

743
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not great. Stronium ninety was used in the

744
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: paint that went on naval ships. The stuff that was

745
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: like what they call it radio luminescent stuff, so you

746
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: could see, you know, some of the instruments before they

747
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: had LEDs stuff, so you could see, you know, on

748
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: the surface of the naval ship where you could go,

749
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: and you know, it was important.

750
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: We're still this street name for strontium ninety. No, it's

751
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: been called the bone seeker.

752
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

753
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 4: I was bout to say there's a part of the

754
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: body that's very susceptible to this. Both thought it was

755
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: maybe the thyroid's bone. Yep, boom.

756
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not great, not great.

757
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: Oh.

758
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: Also, there were several ships that were involved in Oh

759
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 3: what the heck was it called? I wrote it down, guys,

760
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to remember it. Operation

761
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 3: Crossroads Nuclear Testing, Bikini Atoll. This stuff we looked at

762
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 3: a long time ago, Ben when we made some videos

763
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: on this. There were two or more ships that were

764
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 3: involved in that testing where they're setting off atomic weapons

765
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: and seeing the results, you know, on a huge ship,

766
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: and they parked the ships back at this Hunter's Point

767
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: place to then you know, see what happened. And that's

768
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: where a lot of the strontium ninety also came from,

769
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: because you know, imagine cleaning those ships off and all

770
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: that radioactive stuff is just on the whull of the

771
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: ship and now it's in the bay, it's in the soil,

772
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 3: it's in the sand, it's wherever the team cleaning it

773
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: up went. I guess it's just something we have to

774
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: keep our eyes on because it does appear that the

775
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: Navy has given somehow impossible results about the contamination levels,

776
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: and human beings that are actually attempting to live in

777
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: this area are getting cancer.

778
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: And we know that the US government has covered up

779
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: ecological disasters of plenty outside of its borders. It also

780
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: has happened domestically in the US, But I would say

781
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: for now, for this, before we do an episode on it,

782
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: we have to be fair and note that from far

783
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: enough away, incompetence can look like malevolence.

784
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: Sure, oh absolutely.

785
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: Why possible. There's a mistake, you know what I mean?

786
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely? The Navy is saying, hey, we're not doing anything

787
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: wrong here. This is what we've got. And there's also

788
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: another company involved. Their name is Tetra Tech ec Incorporated

789
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: or just Tetra Tech t E t R A TEC

790
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 3: eight uh there. I think they're the outfit that gave

791
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: some of those results that seemed questionable. So it just,

792
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: you know what, basically, it just needs to be found

793
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: out what happened. Was this place actually safe enough to

794
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 3: have human beings living near it at all? Or is

795
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: somebody somewhere trying to make a buck and not look

796
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: bad you know from from past actions that they took

797
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 3: not great. Guys found out a couple more things. There's

798
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: a thing called the Base Realignment and Closure program. You

799
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 3: guys ever heard of that?

800
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I know that there is a

801
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 2: pretty involved process for closing down bases and figuring out

802
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: how to allocate resources like Fort was it Fort McPherson

803
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: here in Georgia clows down? Tyler Perry almost bought it.

804
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 3: I want to say, there's a fascinating thing. Never I've

805
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: just never heard of this program as an official thing

806
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: within the US military, but that is a thing base

807
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: realignment enclosure program. It just sounds so holistic to me.

808
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: Oh, Tyler Perry did buy parts of Fort McPherson. Oh dope,

809
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: nice one, Tyler cool.

810
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 4: He really does do good things for the community. Not

811
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: gonna lie, not being sarcastic.

812
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, no, that's awesome. Just don't look at him, right, No,

813
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: maybe that's the wrong I'm just joking. I'm just joking, Tyler. Sorry,

814
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: I don't know.

815
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: Okay, Tyler Perry sure is taking time out of his

816
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 2: very very busy day to just steeple his fingers Monty

817
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: Burn's style as he's listening to the strange news and

818
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 2: he's going, you've made a powerful lenemy. Boys.

819
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's actually employed the media, and she's yeah, he's

820
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: he's employed several of my good friends. So I do appreciate.

821
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: That's a lot of stuff for the city, that's right.

822
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's the thing realignment. And also last thing, guys,

823
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: historical radiological assessment or h r A. That's a really

824
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: cool thing that we can look into as a whole

825
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 3: because that has been done in a lot of places

826
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Speaker 3: over the course of you know, since nineteen forty five six.

827
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea goes back to radiological warfare, right. Oppenheimer

828
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: and Fermi were involved with this. If I recall, they

829
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: wanted to use byproducts of radiation experiments and nuclear work

830
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: to contaminate the food supply in Germany during World War Two,

831
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: and Oppenheimer had the weirdest caveat, if I recall correctly,

832
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: he said, only we should only do this if we

833
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: can guarantee we can kill at least half a million people.

834
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: Oh so that's why he was against it.

835
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: Well, just so you guys know, the historical radiological assessment

836
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 3: that I'm aware of is literally just testing out of

837
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 3: seeing how much testing needs to be done at a place.

838
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: It's almost like pre testing or looking at the history

839
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 3: of a site and its use to figure out how

840
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: much testing you need to do.

841
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: It's like our meetings where we get together to figure

842
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: out when our meetings are Yeah.

843
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

844
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 4: I just want to point out there have been some

845
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 4: hilarious memes going around surrounding the release of Christopher Nolan's

846
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 4: new Oppenheimer biopic and the Barbie movie, which released on

847
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 4: the same day, And there was a meme that showed

848
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 4: this Barbie Malibu beach house pop up that was built,

849
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 4: or at least a house that was retrofitted to look

850
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 4: like this in Malibu, with a piece of text saying,

851
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 4: the Oppenheimer pr team has the opportunity to do something

852
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: truly hilarious here because it's an aerial shot.

853
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 3: Oh wow, they could simulate a test.

854
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah.

855
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 3: Well, I for one cannot wait for Oppenheimer. And it's

856
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: because of that graphic novel. I don't know how we

857
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: got our hands on Did you give it? I don't

858
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: know how we got our hands on it, but man,

859
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: it's good.

860
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: That's one of the ones you hipped me too, Matt.

861
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: I think I learned it by watching you. That's such

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Speaker 2: just such an amazing graphic novel. And it looks like

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Speaker 2: they're going to cleave really closely to the facts of

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Speaker 2: the matter, you know, so interested in checking it out.

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Speaker 2: I also want to know how far they're going to

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Speaker 2: go into the more sketchy Oppenheimer's stuff.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: A very alternative jazz. Oh yeah. So we've given ourselves

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Speaker 2: quite a bit of homework this evening. We are keeping

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Speaker 2: an eye on Wagner like the rest of the world hopefully,

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Speaker 2: and we would love to hear your theories about it.

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Speaker 2: We're keeping We've got a lot of digging to do

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Speaker 2: in this situation with the Navy in San Francisco, and

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Speaker 2: oh right, we have to start some LLC's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys mind if I give two more places

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Speaker 3: for people to go to to get research on this

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Speaker 3: last thing before we move on and say goodbye. If

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Speaker 3: you go to sfbayview dot com, check out an article

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Speaker 3: titled an update on cancer rates in our Neighborhood from

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Speaker 3: hp Biomonitoring, which stands for a Hunter's Point Biomonitoring. Some

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Speaker 3: really good information in there. And last thing right here,

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Speaker 3: it's a video you can watch. It's created by Naval

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Speaker 3: Facilities Engineering Systems Command. It was posted in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 3: September twenty nineteen, and it is titled Hunter's Point Historical

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Speaker 3: Radiological Assessment and then has hra there If you watch that,

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Speaker 3: it gives you a timeline of the Hunter's point, like

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Speaker 3: all of the uses since the eighteen hundreds when it

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Speaker 3: was just a commercial like shipyard kind of thing, all

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Speaker 3: the way up until you know today when it's being tested.

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Speaker 3: You know it is officially from I guess the Navy.

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Speaker 3: That's what Naval than Silly's Engineering Systems Command is a

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Speaker 3: part of. But the information in there is pretty solid

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Speaker 3: when it comes to the timeline and stuff like that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but that's it. Yeah, makes this.

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Speaker 2: We could call the end of the beginning. We have

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Speaker 2: a lot more digging to do out in the shadows,

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Speaker 2: and we would love your help. Are you a member

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Speaker 2: of Wagner? Are you a former member of Wagner? What's

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Speaker 2: your experience with merk Squad's and what do you think

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Speaker 2: is really happening over there in Eastern Europe and Russia?

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Speaker 2: What kind of corporation are you going to start in Delaware?

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Speaker 2: What do more people need to know about corporate governance

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Speaker 2: and the dangerous horizon in the future, And of course,

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