1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and speaker. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: our careers and our families. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: episode is airing in mid April of twenty twenty six. 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: Sarah and I are going to be talking about dining out. 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: We are perhaps in our restaurant era as our kids 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: have gotten older and it becomes more fun. But we're 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: talking about in general meals restaurants, how it's been through 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 1: family life, our favorites, memories, and so forth. We are 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: doing this while recording in Vero Beach. We are on 18 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: our podcasting retreat. So we've been eating out together at 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: a couple restaurants. We ate at this hotel restaurant. Last night, 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: we ate it Lemon Tree Diner. This morning. That was 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: a Sarah suggestion. You've been there several times, right. 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: Sarah, I'm a regular at the Lemon Tree. Well, a 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: regular every time you're hearing Vero, you're a regular. 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: So we had a you know, coffee and bacon and 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: kish and all those good things. 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we might have gotten the idea for this 27 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: episode while while sitting in a restaurant. While sitting in 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: a restaurant the other night, but Laura commented that she's like, 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden, I like, it's fun 30 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: to go to restaurants as a family. So we thought, hey, 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: that's actually an interesting milestone to explore a little bit further. 32 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: And then one not just chat about restaurants. 33 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: Just chat about restaurants in general, a topic we enjoy. 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: So Sarah like, we'll start with blasts from the past. 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: Do you have memories of childhood favorite restaurants? Well, first, 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: did you guys go out to eat? 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. Yes we did. I wouldn't 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: say frequently, maybe, I mean it was a regular thing, 39 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: maybe twice a month. If I had to guess, a 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: mix of mostly pretty casual places. I feel like the 41 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: place we went the most was a little Italian place 42 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: called Alfonso's that was like super old school Italian, Like 43 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: there was a cute little nona grandmother who would like 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: walk around the restaurant and pick up any babies and 45 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: like carry them around so the. 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Parents can And there was really high service menu. 47 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: It was like a paper map of Italy that you 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: could like draw all over, like really, you know. So 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: we went there a lot, and I also have memories 50 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: of we went to New Hampshire fairly frequently. And actually 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Polly's Pancake Parlor is in New 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: Hampshire or Vermont off the top of my head, but 53 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: it is up there, and we went there pretty much 54 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: every time we were in the area, and I loved it. 55 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: And then listeners might remember that our family went to 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: New Hampshire last summer and we went to Polly's and 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: let me tell you, it was still amazing. 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: It was so good. 59 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: Oh totally held up to mind expectations multiple generations experiencing 60 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 2: the fun of Polly's Pancake Parlor. Yeah. 61 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't think we went out to eat all that often, 62 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: like certainly not too nice restaurants in my childhood. I 63 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: do have memories of being a frequent McDonald's customer. And 64 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: this was especially when we're my school age years, and 65 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: I know my dad was responsible for us in the 66 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: afternoons because my mom was working as a tutor. So 67 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: I think we went to McDonald's a few times and 68 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: I remember getting like almost all of the McDonald's monopoly pieces, right, like, 69 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: we had all of them except like park Place or whatever. 70 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: It was the good one that would make you win. 71 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: And then at some point we started going to the 72 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: mall food court, the Crabtree Valley Mall in Raleigh, North Carolina. 73 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been well, I don't even know if that 74 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: place is still open, but. 75 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well there was the Japanese place that I decided 76 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: to get a little fancy and I would get the 77 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: kariaki chicken at the mall food court and that would 78 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: be my dinner there. So that's my fine dining from childhoods. 79 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. No food memories are strong, 80 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: And as you're listening to this, you can think through 81 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: you know, do you miss the restaurants of your past, 82 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: and what kinds of food memories are you creating for 83 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: your kids. That's true, that's true. 84 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: It says something that they might remember places they're going 85 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: to go with their kids and being like, oh, remember 86 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: when we used to do that. But speaking of memories, 87 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: do you have any particular memorable meals? I know you've 88 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: tried to do like a top five from time to time. 89 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say this is one of my favorite. Like, 90 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: if we're on a long card trip and I'm trying 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: to keep my husband awake and we're like thinking about 92 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: like fun memories, I'm like, can you come up with 93 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: your top five concerts? And then like top five restaurants? Okay, 94 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: And I feel like we're always shifting around what's on them. 95 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: But if I had to give you top five right now, 96 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: I'll just indulge. Number one is probably French Laundry, which 97 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: is very, very fancy. It was very hard to get 98 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: into and it was very expensive, but it was so fun. 99 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: That's in Napa Valley and it's multiple courses and very 100 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: elaborate that. We had a very memorable dinner in Lahina 101 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: at a place that's now unfortunately I think was lost 102 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: in the fires. Maybe it closed before then, but it 103 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: was great. It's called David Paul's was the name of 104 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 2: the restaurant. Two Chapel Hill Restaurants are quite memorable. I 105 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: think Lantern is still open, really cool Asian fusion cuisine. 106 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: And then there was a French place called Bunsuoret that 107 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: had handwritten menus and calligraphy. Oh my gosh, I love 108 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: that place, so up your alley. And then finally, the 109 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: only like a local standout I think that I would 110 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: put on my list would be there's a restaurant called 111 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: Biblos in Miami Beach that we love and we actually 112 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: held Josh's fiftieth birthday party there. 113 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: That sounds fun. That's a good place. Yeah. So Aquavite 114 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: in New York City has a lot of memories associated 115 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: with you know, for me, like we would. Michael and 116 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: I went there on an early date and it was 117 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: very fancy. I think it was the first kind of 118 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: restaurant like that had really been to or you know, 119 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: multi course and wine pairings and things like that. We 120 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: got had the fun of it. We've eaten at French 121 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Laundry twice. Once was with Michael's siblings and spouses to 122 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: celebrate his brother's fortieth birthday. That we all did a 123 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: trip out to Wine Country, which was a lot of fun. 124 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: And then he and I went a couple of years 125 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: later to celebrate our fifteenth wedding anniversary, which yes, my 126 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: memory is that it is very difficult to get reservations. 127 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: So that's one way to make your restaurants stand out 128 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: is make it so difficult to get in that people think, well, 129 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: it must be amazing if I'm here. 130 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: Yes, that is a very memorable place. So if you 131 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: are looking for like a very memorable, very treat type 132 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: of a meal, you might want to look at that, 133 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: but you're going to have to do some work, do 134 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: some work. 135 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: To get the Yeah. Although one memory that sort of 136 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: started something with me and my sixteen year old son 137 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: as we ate at the cousin's main lobster food truck 138 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: at like a food fair, festival whatever once and we're 139 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: like at a festival with food trucks. Normally I don't 140 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: like waiting in lines, but if I see that there 141 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: is one truck that has a much much longer line 142 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: and then everyone else, I assume there's a reason for it. 143 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: So we decided to wait in the line and got 144 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: very good lobster roles. They were amazing, and so he 145 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: and I have eaten a cousin being lobster where we 146 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: can find them like a truck would appear in our 147 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: area once every couple weeks, I guess, And so we 148 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: try to track it down and find it. 149 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: Do you get like an alert on your phone? 150 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: You can? You can, Yeah it's here, Yeah, it's in 151 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: the parking lot of this place. Go find it. Well, 152 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: I love. 153 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: That's like totally a food tradition that you're building. Yeah. 154 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely. So there's obviously restaurants you go when you're as 155 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: a couple or with friends or something as adults. Then 156 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: there is the era when you have young children, so 157 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: babies and restaurants. Sarah, have you brought babies to restaurants? 158 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 2: I have? And I didn't include this in the script, 159 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: but I think I don't know if you have a 160 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: worst restaurant moment with kids, but I can share mine. 161 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: Oh yes, we could do that. 162 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: I can share mine. So well, first of all, I'll 163 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: say we were that couple that was like, Okay, we're 164 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: just gonna, you know, bring out. We're not going to 165 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: change our life, so we're going to bring our baby 166 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 2: out to dinner. And honestly it worked really really well 167 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: for about a year. Annabell like really liked eating whatever, 168 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: and she would like happily sit there and we could 169 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: like have our you know, it was wonderful. So I 170 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: would encourage people with like when they're in their pre 171 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: walking era, to go nuts taking their kids to all 172 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: types of restaurants, because that's actually. 173 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: A time one baby, when you have one baby, well 174 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: maybe twins that weren't twins, okay, or if you happen 175 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: to have a twelve year old and a baby, yeah, 176 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: and you could put anything in between there. 177 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: Anything in between gets a lot harder, but yeah, so 178 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: we did take advantage of that baby phase. And I 179 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: also have there's like a memorable I think it was 180 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: an anniversary dinner or something, but we went to this 181 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: lovely restaurant in Portland, organ with our good friends with 182 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: Genevieve's sleeping in a car seat, and actually she never 183 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: ended up waking up that whole dinner. So in our 184 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: friend's mind it was like, wow, that was amazing. But 185 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: in my mind, I spent the whole time staring at 186 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: her like now she's gonna wake up? 187 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Have it now? How about now? How about now? 188 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: And like you know, am I gonna it's the wine 189 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna drinking, gonna like poison her. I don't know, 190 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: like it wasn't the best. 191 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: But okay, what was the worst? I hear the worst? Yeah, yeah, 192 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. 193 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: The worst was a we were actually visiting Durham. We'd 194 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: moved to Florida, but my sister I think was still 195 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: in North Carolina and my parents, I think we're there too, 196 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: and we like all went to meet and we went 197 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: to this place called Goolhoff. I've been a whole bunch 198 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: of times. It's lovely. It still exists in Durham. And 199 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: it was like daytime hours, but it was like an 200 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: early dinner and the kids were probably I don't know, 201 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: four and two. 202 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Oh. 203 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: It just we didn't have done baby ups two kids. 204 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: It just failed it. 205 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: We had kids screaming under the table and my parents 206 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: were like horrified, like why can't your kids you don't 207 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: sit up whatever, And we ended up taking our homemal 208 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: to go and I have pictures of us in our 209 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: hotel room because Annabelle then rose to the occasion once 210 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: we were back as a four year old and she's 211 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: like Cameron, like fall asleep. She was like happily like 212 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: sitting on the floor and we're like eating our takeout dinner. 213 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: That had not supposed to be takeout, so that was 214 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: probably Yeah, that was our epic fail. 215 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean it's not so much of this 216 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: as a fail. It's just a memorable like mismatch between 217 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: I mean expectations and reality that when we were at 218 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: Disney World and with all of us, all seven of 219 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: us in early twenty twenty four, and we had a 220 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: dinner at the Beauty and the Beast Castle and it's 221 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: not a cheap experience to do the character dining at Disney, 222 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: and my younger kids were in such like a bad place, 223 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: like at the end of a day at Disney World, 224 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: and I was kind of tired and in pain because 225 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: I had my back incident five weeks earlier, but I 226 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: was trying to like put on a good face for 227 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: this Disney trip that had been planned months and months 228 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: ahead of time. And we're sitting there and like people 229 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: are not eating the food, and like Henry ordered like 230 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: three different of the fancy like drinks or whatever and 231 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: then spilled one or like didn't eat one and then 232 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: that threw stuff on the floor, and he's like running 233 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: around and I'm just like, oh, I can't believe I'm 234 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: like doing this now. 235 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: What you envisioned. 236 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's not really envisioned when you had that reservation. 237 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's nothing new for anyone. And working at Disney, 238 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: I mean they have young kids there all the time. 239 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: But still I felt like, you know, why are we 240 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: so terrible? Why can we not enjoy our beauty and 241 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: the beast experience. 242 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: I think there's a reason, especially with the little kids, 243 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: that it's the character breakfasts that are the hit. 244 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: Yes, that's true breakfast we have more discipline and focused 245 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: are our best selves at this? All right? Well, with that, 246 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: we're going to take an ad break and be back 247 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: with more. Well we are back talking at restaurant dining, 248 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: dining out. Yeah, you mentioned the Portland meal where Genevieve 249 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: just slept. We brought Jasper to a really, really nice 250 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: Japanese restaurant in New York City when he was about 251 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: four months old, and I had gotten a babysitter, but 252 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: she kind of canceled last minute, or I think she 253 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: didn't even show up. That was one of the you know, 254 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: it's new to hiring babysitters at that time. But so 255 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: we're like, well, what do we do? We have this 256 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: reservation room, so we were like, well, okay, you know, 257 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: I called the restaurant again. They're like, well, of course, 258 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, we can't. We're not. We don't forbid children 259 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: in the restaurant. I mean, so we brought him and 260 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: he slept the whole time, and it worked really well, 261 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: and he woke up right at the end and got 262 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the check and quickly high tailed it out of there. 263 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: But yeah, it works until they're mobile. Yeah, and then 264 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of torture for the next several years. 265 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a lot of fun. 266 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe your children, maybe there are children of 267 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: people listening to this who are more angelic than ours. 268 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I mean we did it. I'm not 269 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 2: saying that we like never went out to eat. Yeah, 270 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 2: absolutely went out to eat one hack. I was thinking about, 271 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: like what made it manageable, And we did develop a 272 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: practice of asking for the check as soon as our 273 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 2: food arrived, and also making sure the food is all 274 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: going to come at once, Like we would specifically say, 275 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: like even if we ordered an appetizer, like can you 276 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: just bring everything out? 277 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, put all the orders in at once. 278 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: They kick stuff out exactly, and then can we the check? 279 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: And then that way even if we're only eating for 280 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: like seven but it's enough to like eat enough, we 281 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: can just be like, okay, we're making anox it because 282 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: they're done. 283 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: But we wouldn't yet, we wouldn't do it as a 284 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: recreational kind of thing. It's more that you're on a 285 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: trip and your only option really is to eat at 286 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: a restaurant because you don't have kitchen facilities or whatever, 287 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: which I will say there have been several trips where 288 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: we have rented places that have kitchens precisely for that reason, 289 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: because then we're not right. 290 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 2: It's poper not to have to deal with it. Or 291 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: takeout is like a really nice even you know, a 292 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 2: lot of back in the toddler days, it was like, oh, 293 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 2: we're gonna do take out with friends. So it's almost 294 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: like you're on a double date outs to eat, but 295 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 2: like you can be much more flexible around what the 296 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: kids are kid running around doing versus yeah, because it's 297 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: still in a restaurant. 298 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: But I've noticed a real change in the last year 299 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: or so. And you know, Henry, my youngest is now six, 300 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: and there comes an age when it be is not 301 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: so much torture anymore that it is starts to be relaxing. 302 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: Now he is an active little six year old boy. However, 303 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: we have decided that it is okay for him to 304 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: play tablet games at the restaurant. And partly that is 305 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: because I have older children that I want to have 306 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: a relaxed dining experience with, and so by keeping him entertained, 307 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't have to not go out with my older 308 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: kids and have to race out like be doing the 309 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: thing where you get the check early. We can actually 310 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: enjoy like a leisurely restaurant dinner because he is playing 311 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: the games. And now it would be wonderful if he 312 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: was the kind of kid who could be entertained by 313 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: krans for an hour, but he is not. 314 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: He might be close to being books though, books though 315 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: that's true. Books could be specially like a fresh like 316 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: dirowimby kid. 317 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. He's getting there. He's slowly getting there. 318 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: And but yeah, the older ones are more like engage 319 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: in conversation and that's enjoyable and you know, so as 320 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: long as he's not running off and throwing things. 321 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually, like we never allowed our kids to 322 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: have screens out to dinner, and I think we just 323 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: sort of was like we didn't want to open that 324 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: Pandora's box and then have that be discussion every time, 325 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: like Ken, you can't you whatever. It was just like 326 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: we're not doing that. But again, we didn't have quite 327 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: the age spread you have, so I felt like it 328 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: was more like we just didn't. 329 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think it would be harder for you to 330 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: defend a policy that like Genevieve could have it, but 331 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: like Annabel can't, whereas I feel perfectly fine telling my 332 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: older children get off your phones. We're talking and the 333 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: younger ones are on. No, it totally makes sense. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 334 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: So now it's becoming, you know, more of a regular thing, 335 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: which you know now that we're in the restaurant era 336 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: of family activities. So some local favorites, Sarah, what do 337 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: you have your local favorites? Where do you like to go? 338 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish we had like a walking distance favorite. 339 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: But we'll let me know we don't have that either. 340 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: Well or even like in my town, because all of 341 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: these that I'm listing, maybe with the exception of the 342 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: sports bar, are like Fort Lauderdale. You're in this city 343 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: twenty minutes at least, correct, So we love this place. 344 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: Yacht it's like outside of Fort Lauderdale and it's very 345 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: like nautical themed. We actually had our best plans live 346 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: dinner there last year. It's super fun. We like this 347 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: Italian place called Aquallina in Weston that's like a good 348 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: date place but also like a nicer family dinner. My 349 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: kids love going out for sushi or any kind of 350 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: Asian fusion or raj ramen, So we have a few places. 351 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: Actually that's probably our most local restaurant our sushi places, 352 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: like yeah, right there, so that's really nice. And then 353 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: finally there's a chain of sports bars that it's like 354 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: sort of steak in seafoody called Flanagans in Florida. And 355 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: like some people listening to us are gonna laugh because 356 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: I feel like it has a very cheesy reputation, but. 357 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: Just a cheesy restaurant can be great. Like they give 358 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: you a beer, they give you a burger, you are 359 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: a person. 360 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: Josh likes it and we recently discovered. Okay, it's near 361 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: our house. And if you have a sports geme you 362 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: want to watch, they have like a bar that has 363 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: like rose of individual screens so you can put whatever 364 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: yih sport you are trying to watch on and yeah, 365 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: we've had fun there, so I guess I'm gonna include 366 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: that on our current list. And by the way I 367 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: track our restaurants, I think it's fun to like collect 368 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: what we've gone to and what we've gone to multiple times. 369 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: So one of my planner spreads this year has been 370 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 2: a list of all the restaurants I put in our 371 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: restaurant last night. 372 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: Oh, excellent, excellent. Well, so, speaking of restaurants we have 373 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: been together, one of my favorites is Coyote Crossing, which 374 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: is a Mexican restaurant in Chihakan, which is about fifteen 375 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: minutes from us. Sarah has gone there with me twice. Now, right, great, yeah, 376 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: super fun, it's super fun. Lascalus is a rising star 377 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: in our universe. They are an Italian place that's near 378 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: Villanova University, so it's also about fifteen minutes from us, 379 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: and we went there the other night. Basically, everyone could 380 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: get something that we're happy with, and when there's a 381 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: lot of people, having everyone be happy is good. 382 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 2: It's a win. 383 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: It's a win. It's a win, and it's like relatively casual, 384 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: so I feel okay coming in with all my children 385 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: and like wearing sweatpants and whatever. The melting pot has 386 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: become a family favorite all of a sudden. 387 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: Which a student. Listeners will remember that we have had 388 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: a like yearly melting pot extravaganza. And I think until 389 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: recently you had not tried it, had not tried it, 390 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: but now you've might have gone more. 391 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Than we have. Yeah, well, my kids also discovered that 392 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: fondue is really good and also alert listeners. We feel 393 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: like Laura, I thought you couldn't eat dairy products, and 394 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: you would be correct. So when we do, I try 395 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: not to go that out that my kids want to 396 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: go a lot, but we when we've gone, I just 397 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: I eat it and I understand that things may not 398 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: be pleasant afterwards. The end, the end. Let's just leave 399 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: it at that. Olive Garden is a surprise hit, I mean, 400 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 1: one of our favorite family dinners ever, all seven of us. 401 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: Last Thanksgiving break, so when joshper was home from college, 402 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: we went to Dutch Wonderland for an evening to go 403 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: see the lights and do a few rides. And it 404 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: was bitterly cold for unknown reasons, like the temperature said 405 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: it was thirty two, but there was something with the 406 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: humidity that it was just it was worse. It was worse. 407 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: It was insane. It was awful. As we're wandering around 408 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: like freezing, and then we're coming out of this and 409 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: it's like, well the lights are pretty, but we're all 410 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: in contra. And then somebody's like, we could go out 411 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: to eat, we could go to Olive Garden, or like, 412 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: we could go to Olive Garden. And sure enough, there's 413 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: an olive garden that was like five minutes from the 414 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: park and they had no wait and even for seven 415 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: of us. So we went and like everybody was so happy, 416 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: like with the salad is good, the breadsticks are good. 417 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: Sometimes you just nail it. You have a great night, 418 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: and now you're gonna have to go back to the 419 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 2: old and garden. 420 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but one other my kids are like 421 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: as Founding Farmers and King of Prussia. It's also got 422 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: a brunch option. We're not quite in our brunch era yet, 423 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: but that's that go on date nights. We've gone to Amada, 424 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: which you've also been to, Sarah. Yes, that was kind 425 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: of a date night of you and me and Kathleen. Yes, 426 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: so a different sort of date night. We've been to 427 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: Sta Taverna, which is like a local Greek place. It's all, 428 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, standard Greek but good Marimoto downtown Japanese. And 429 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: then Tallula's Garden, which is another place we've gone with 430 00:19:58,920 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: you guys. 431 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you like repeating a lot restaurants or do 432 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: you like, like always trying something different? I don't. 433 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean I like to go to favorites that I know, 434 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: and I feel like I've listed enough here that it's 435 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: never like, oh, we've been to this one so often, 436 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: because there's enough of a difference between like Coyote Crossing 437 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: and a Mada and a Stia ta Verona, a Morimoto 438 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: or Tulula. Is like, I'm not going out that often. 439 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: Like if I went to one of those every three weeks, 440 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: that would take me through five months basically of not repeating. 441 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I tend to prefer repeating and 442 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 2: Josh likes to always like try try something random place. 443 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well Philadelphia just got Michelin Guide reviewed, So 444 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: there's a couple of restaurants now with Michelin Stars in Philly. 445 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: That's a new thing. So I think we probably will 446 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: try those pretty soon. 447 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 2: Cool. That's motivation. 448 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's motivation. Well, let's take one more quick ad 449 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: break and then we'll be back with more talking about 450 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: dining out. 451 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: Well, we are back, and we've been talking all things restaurants, 452 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: and obviously we were a little South Florida and Philadelphia centric. 453 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: But I think our point is to like think through 454 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: your restaurant portfolio. What are you missing, what do you need, 455 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: what do you like, what works with the kids, what 456 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: works without the kids, and eventually you'll find your happy cadence. 457 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 2: So what about traveling, because eating at restaurants while traveling 458 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: is a little bit different, and it also might be 459 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 2: something that we did do more when our kids were 460 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: a little just out of necessity. 461 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm with you, Sarah that it's really helpful 462 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: to have a reservation, especially with a larger group of people. 463 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: You can hope that they randomly have a table for seven, 464 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: and sometimes they do. Sometimes you get lucky, but the 465 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: odds are against you. 466 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm so team reservation. And I even 467 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 2: go in with the idea that, like, worst case, we 468 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: don't want to use this reservation. I mean, yes, every 469 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: so often you have to put a deposit in, but 470 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: generally you don't if it's a busy enough place and 471 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: you have to cancel, like they're fine, you're gonna They're 472 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: gonna fill that table. We definitely go to most of 473 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: our reservations, but I would so much rather have one 474 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 2: than not have one. I will say I have learned 475 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: some tricks, so like every once in a while, you 476 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: just something goes wrong, or you can go to the 477 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: open table app and search in a given area if 478 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 2: they have any open tables for a family of table yeah, 479 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: or rezi app as well. So like there are some 480 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: ways around it, yes, talk, but I generally like planning ahead, 481 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: and honestly, some of that anticipation, like can be part 482 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 2: of us, like being excited about our vacation is going 483 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 2: to our favorite places. And I don't mean that we're 484 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: always going to fancy places. A lot of really casual 485 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: like pizza joints like take reservations these days. 486 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: So and the modern technology of stuff like open table 487 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: is so wonderful because it removes a lot of that 488 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: friction of doing this. I mean, you don't have to 489 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: call six restaurants to see do you have a table 490 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: for seven? You just put in seven and you can see, 491 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: like here are four restaurants that do have space in 492 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: the dinner hour and if you like them, great, If 493 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: you don't, I guess you're figuring something else out, but 494 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: it at least, you know, makes it a possibility. 495 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would say on vacation, we're big about 496 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: like mixing up like bigger, nicer meals with like more 497 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: casual things because we just get I call it restauranted out. 498 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm restauranted out. I'm sick of like 499 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: I don't know that like whole vibe. So let's find again, 500 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: like a cafe that has ramen, or like a takeout 501 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 2: pizza or just like something that's a little bit more. 502 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, especially if you are in a place that 503 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: does have a fridge, like if you're in a hotel 504 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: that has a fridge, or if you're in like an 505 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: airbnb or something, getting your leftovers from some night and 506 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: then eating them totally. Yeah. I mean often by the 507 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: end of a trip we'll wind up with more food 508 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: leftovers than we really need it, and we just try to, 509 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: like for lunches and whatever, make sure that we're eating 510 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: those things to keep the we've gone to like grocery 511 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: stores too. I mean we do almost always rent, like 512 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: when we're traveling is very rare that we were in 513 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: hotels again because there are so many of us, Like, 514 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: when we do have to be into hotels, it's often 515 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: like three rooms and that is kind of ridiculous. Ate, 516 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: So we're going to be in like a condo or 517 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: something like that and that does have a kitchen, and 518 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: then we'll go to a grocery store and get at 519 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: least breakfast and lunch type stuff. 520 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love being able to do that. What about like, 521 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: is there certain places that you guys gravitate towards since 522 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: you have some selective eaters. 523 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I talk a little bit about 524 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: this in our episode when I talk about the Galapagos trip, 525 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 1: but even in overseas and things like that, if it's 526 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: a restaurant that has fries on the menu anywhere, then 527 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: you can order it for your selective eater. So it 528 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: would be like any place that had a steak free 529 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: kind of thing. But obviously we gravitate toward things like 530 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: pubs because a pub will have burgers and often chicken fingers, 531 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: and they definitely have fries so people can eat that. 532 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: We wind up at a lot of Italian places as well, 533 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: because again, if they have any sort of pasta. They 534 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: can just give you the pasta like with butter and 535 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: parmesan or even plain whatever your kid is willing to eat. 536 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: And usually the rest of us who like food can 537 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: find something at an Italian restaurant that we were willing 538 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: to eat. 539 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 2: And then do you have any like specific like ordering practices. 540 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: So this is, you know, something Sarah and I started 541 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: talking about that you wind up in certain habits with 542 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: how you eat at a restaurant that are imprinted early, 543 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: and then you just so when Michael and I first 544 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: started eating out together, we would always order an appetizer 545 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: and a maine, but we almost never order assert. So 546 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: it's pretty standard for us to look at the appetizers 547 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: and get something off the appetizers and order a main. 548 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: But I'm almost never We're always like, oh, we don't 549 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: need to see the dessert menu or whatever. I'm sure 550 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: they have great desserts, but I don't know, I just 551 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: it's not in my habit, like in my mind that 552 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: I really order much desserts except for the melting pot, 553 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: where that's you know, half the fun. 554 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 2: We totally order desserts when we go out. I would 555 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: say we tend to do more sharing or like lighter 556 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: ordering of the other stuff, particularly because I know I'm 557 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: going to like want the teremi su or whatever it is. 558 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: We're also really big into like if there's an appetizer 559 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: side of the menu or like a sort of small 560 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: places or sharing plates and then like a main plate's 561 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: like we're all about like the order a whole bunch 562 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: of small plates. And I had a memorable dinner with 563 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: friends where we literally order the entire column. We're like, 564 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 2: we'll have all of those, and they're like really, and 565 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: we're like, yeah, that's what we want, all of those things. 566 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: And it was like ten or twelve little plates and 567 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 2: there were four of us, and it. 568 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: Was, oh, that's not amazing. That's not well, happetizer's often 569 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: better than what the mains are, I know, I know, 570 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: they're just more interesting interesting. Maybe they're different flavors, higher 571 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: fat and sugar. Who knows, that could be it too, 572 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, Sarah and I last night at our restaurant 573 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: mostly ordered the appetizer kind of things. 574 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: And split those. Yeah, that is great. And we do 575 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 2: have a family dessert tradition. Was your family dessert tradition, 576 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: which is generally we just order one and get five spoons. 577 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 2: But like, we don't just let that unfold organically because 578 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: certain people might eat a lot of it and then 579 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: not leave a lot for others. So we go around 580 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: the table in reverse age order, starting with Genevieve, and 581 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: then we just like each take a bite. And then 582 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: there's always like the invariable joke about like one kid 583 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: will like put the whole plate on their spoon, like 584 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 2: ha ha ha, But no, it actually usually restare deserts 585 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: are enormous, so it's usually like everyone's happy and it's 586 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: kind of actually fun. 587 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: And no one's germophobic enough that they aren't willing to 588 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: eat in the family, Well, I don't know if we 589 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: have different opinions than some of our family members. 590 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: Very interesting, No, I think whenever there's like a lot 591 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: of sugar involved, everyone will put those concerns, with. 592 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: Those concerns inside the sugar kills everything. Obviously this may 593 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: explain how you guys are getting the same cold. 594 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: No, I'm not getting the cold I'm saying I mean, 595 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 2: you'd think we would all get it, and then it's 596 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: like surprise, two out of five, two out. 597 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: Of five, maybe they close to each other. So are 598 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: you guys in your brunch era yet. 599 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 2: No, I mean we will go on occasion. I'd say 600 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: we go to brunch once every month, maybe as a family. 601 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 2: If we don't have a lot going on, a kid 602 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: will like ask about it. We have one. Oh my gosh, 603 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: soft Floridians. 604 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: I should keep it a secrets because you're gonna be 605 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: standing in line with them. 606 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but maple and cream is awesome. It's so good. 607 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: What time is brunch for you eat? It's like lunch lunch. 608 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: It's like eleven or twelve or something. South Filardians do 609 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: not sleep on maple and cream, which is it's amazing. 610 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 2: It's pretty close to me in Cooper City and it 611 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: is just really awesome brunch food. 612 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, do you have to make reservations area waiting 613 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: in line for I feel like waiting in line for 614 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: brunch is like a thing people sometimes do. 615 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: I don't think they take reservations, but they have a 616 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 2: really nice app where like when you get there, you're 617 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: able to see how much time it's going to take, 618 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: and in our experience, it's always less than it says. 619 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah Disney World, Disney World ride. So it's not bad, 620 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: it's not bad. 621 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: Okay, Well we've gone to White Dog Cafe. Gain We're 622 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: not really in our brunch area yet. And now partly 623 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: that's like kid activities, right often are going to be 624 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: interfering with sort of a mid day on a weekend 625 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: to kind of having a leisurely lunch. At that point, 626 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: I do like the idea of eating breakfast food for lunch, 627 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: so you know, I guess anyhow you can make that happen, 628 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: it's a good thing. But yeah, we go to White 629 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: Dog Cafe sometimes, and that Founding Farmers actually has a 630 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,239 Speaker 1: brunch as well. We've done that once before. I think 631 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: we might wind up doing it again. 632 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: Awesome, And then I think neither of us are big 633 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: into going out to lunch very often. Yeah, it's just, 634 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: you know, it takes a lot of time, like during 635 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: the day, and I'm not near rest. It's not like 636 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 2: my office is right next to a bunch of cute 637 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: little restaurants that I might want to eat in. I'm 638 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: I would have to get in my car and go somewhere, 639 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: and that would take a lot of time during the day. 640 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: I tried to do DoorDash for a while, but I 641 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: was kind of I don't know. I always have leftovers 642 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: in the house, So that's quicker as well. 643 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like our out to lunch is 644 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: only out of necessity if we're like stuck somewhere and 645 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: then we find a Panera or some Yeah, yeah, Panera's good. 646 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: I like Panera easy. All right, So this has been 647 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: our restaurant discussion. Our question for the week is about 648 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: a topic that is near and dear to many, a 649 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: working mothers hard sleep. Okay, right, how do you wind down? 650 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: What strategies do you have if you can't stay asleep? 651 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: So we learn new things about each other all the time, 652 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: and I learned the Sarah sleeps like a baby. 653 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can always stay sleep and I can always 654 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 2: fall asleep. But I will say I do have like 655 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: a wine down, which is that I usually read and 656 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: then I usually fall asleep before I would like to 657 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: fall asleep. 658 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, after and you don't wake up in the middle 659 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: of the night like ever, or if I do, I 660 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: just go back to see Okay. 661 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: Even after the aforementioned in a prior episode, three AM 662 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: Target Roller Rabbit Purchaser, you're able to go back to sleep. 663 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: And as we've learned, you don't drink a lot of water. 664 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: You're not you don't have to wait in the middle 665 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: of the night, you know. Okay, well that's an approach 666 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, I'm sort of obviously just have 667 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: the usual wash my face, brush my teeth. Sometimes I'll 668 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: read in bed magazine or a book. I take melatonin 669 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: at night, which I find is just helpful for having 670 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: that wine down kind of feeling it. 671 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting and you don't find it wears off. No, okay, good, 672 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: well it might. 673 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean I sometimes do wake up in the middle 674 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: of the night, you know. I would say it's probably 675 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: maybe at least four nights a week I'm up in 676 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: the middle of the night because I need to go 677 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: to the bathroom. And then sometimes I can usually tell, 678 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: like if I'm really sleepy coming back from that, I 679 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: know I'm going to fall right straight back asleep. But 680 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: sometimes I'm much more awake if I've been having more 681 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: interesting dream or disturbing dream or like for whatever reason 682 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: it's I'm feeling more awake, I might take another half 683 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: a miltonin to get myself sort of in that mindset 684 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: again of Okay, now I'm calming down sleep. So that's yeah, 685 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: that's my strategy for that. But this is something that 686 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: also if you're ladies of a certain age, many of 687 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: us listening to this as we hit our mid forties 688 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: or you know, maybe earlier. I know Sarah can speak 689 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: more to this that there's hormonal changes that sometimes do 690 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: interfere with people sleep, but there's also the things you 691 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: can do about that, so you probably don't have to 692 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: suffer if you seek medical help for that. 693 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: Yes, and those things might be hormone replacement related other medications, 694 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: things like magnesium supplements, et cetera. I know magnesium is 695 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: really big in the sleep world world, and I guess 696 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: I will give an a side that I do struggle 697 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: to sleep when I am on call and I get 698 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: called and woken up that certain times that is because 699 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: there's just I'm worried about whatever it is that the 700 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: phone call was. And whenever you're stressed about something, it 701 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: is hard to sleep. 702 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I find it hard to sleep 703 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: on planes, for instance, Like no matter the circumstances, I 704 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: just it's so hard to sleep because I'm like just 705 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: a little bit antsy about it and it's hard to relax. 706 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: And that's the case. So yeah, But the good things 707 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: is I think one night of bad sleep doesn't hurt 708 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: you that much, totally agree. 709 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that takes the pressure because I think sometimes 710 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: what impedes people sleep even more is they start getting 711 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 2: anxious about not getting sleep. But if you tell yourself, 712 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: you know what, tonight's might be bad, and I'll be 713 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: functional tomorrow, and as long as I don't do this 714 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: every night, I'll be okay, then you'll probably get yourself back. Yeah. 715 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And a good night can then cover up for 716 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: a host of sins and you'll feel like a million 717 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: bucks the next day. All right, So Love of the Week, 718 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to go with a restaurant themed one of 719 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: restaurant guacamole, Like if you're at a really good Mexican place, like, 720 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: feel like I make a good guacamoli, but they're going 721 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: to do it better. Yeah. 722 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to give a shout out to a 723 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: really good restaurant burger and for vegan and vegetarian friends, 724 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: Lots of restaurants have great different types of burgers as well. 725 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: Love a good turkey burger too, But yeah, restaurant burgers, 726 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: like sometimes nothing else nails it, just like that. 727 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they figure out the salting and the way the 728 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: rest of us just don't, but we've been talking about 729 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: restaurant meals in general. We'd love to hear about your 730 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: favorite places, especially when we travel. We'd love to try 731 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: new places, and we will be back next week with 732 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: more on making work and life fit together. 733 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 734 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore shoe Box on Instagram, 735 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 736 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 737 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 738 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: life work together.