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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Patriots Draft Countdown. That's right, is the

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Speaker 1: live edition. The draft is finally here, guys, the countdown

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Speaker 1: what is it? Seven hours? Officially here soon, finally, pretty soon,

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Speaker 1: pretty soon, getting close to my favorite part of the draft,

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Speaker 1: which is of course Sunday, when you know the picks

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Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging with us. We're all counting down to

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Speaker 1: the big draft, and I think we'll be counting down

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Speaker 1: tonight too. I want to start off. It feels like

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Speaker 1: all the tea leaves. I don't know, why are we

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Speaker 1: trading out of the first round.

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Speaker 2: And I have it does feel that way.

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Speaker 3: It feels like there's a couple of I could like

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Speaker 3: rank the possibilities, right, I think number one I would

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Speaker 3: probably be trade out at this point.

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Speaker 2: If I had to rank them, I don't.

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Speaker 3: The one scenario I don't think they trade out is

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Speaker 3: if one of these tackles falls.

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Speaker 2: To them at thirty one.

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Speaker 3: If Iana Shore or Blake Miller slips through the craft

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Speaker 3: I just find it hard to believe that they would

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Speaker 3: pass either of those two players up. But I think

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Speaker 3: what we heard from Elliott Wolf on All Access actually

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Speaker 3: with Mike Reese his last couple of days, is that

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Speaker 3: they feel like prospects twenty five through about fifty are

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Speaker 3: kind of the same talent level. So when you hear

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Speaker 3: that from Elliot Wolf, like that tells you trade down, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you feel like the guy you're gonna

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Speaker 3: get at thirty one is basically the same prospect that

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Speaker 3: you're gonna get at thirty six or thirty eight or whatever,

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Speaker 3: then why wouldn't you take the extra draft capital and

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Speaker 3: trade down. So I would say it's a pretty high

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Speaker 3: probability right now that they're thinking about it, or at

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Speaker 3: least trying to entertain the idea of trading down.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about those tackles too, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: if we got to a point this offseason, I feel

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Speaker 1: like where we were just protect Drake, Like he's a

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Speaker 1: talented kid. He's going to start to pick up this

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Speaker 1: offense more and more where he can be the conductor,

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Speaker 1: he can put guys in position to be successful. And

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Speaker 1: maybe it's an oversimplification, but I saw something on the

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Speaker 1: Twitter this week that showed kind of the devaluation of

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Speaker 1: running backs and the expanding value of the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, it's not related to wide receiver, and

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Speaker 1: that's you know, a direction we could kind of go

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Speaker 1: because we spend so much time talking about getting that

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Speaker 1: tease that if a tackle is there, even though you

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Speaker 1: have Morgan Moses and they've expressed confidence in Will Campbell,

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Speaker 1: that you take this kid even if he might not

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Speaker 1: step in and.

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Speaker 4: Start at thirty one.

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Speaker 1: At thirty one, if it's let's just call it Blake

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Speaker 5: Tackle, it's it's not fun Like it sucks to see

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Speaker 5: you like draft of player that's not going to hit

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Speaker 5: the ground running, But it makes sense the long term investment.

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Speaker 5: You got a young quarterback, I wouldn't be surprised. Also,

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Speaker 5: if you pick at thirty one, you get the fifth

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's Ty Simpson. The wild card is

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Speaker 1: the fifth you know, as a quarterback, somebody wants to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know. I yeah, I

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Speaker 6: kind of want to talk about the tackles.

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Speaker 2: So Chris comes in one.

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Speaker 1: Starts and then he's just like, I want to know.

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Speaker 2: If he didn't hurt his angle in high school?

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Speaker 6: You know this every show that we're on, you drafted

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Speaker 5: Just kind of here's a question with that thirty first pick,

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Speaker 5: Like what what if Colton Hood's there and you have

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Speaker 1: No, I do, I kind of do. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: Not the obvious pivots to edge rusher, right Like, if

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Speaker 2: And I think the the thing I keep.

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Speaker 3: On coming back to with all of this is the

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Speaker 2: The depth of the edge class.

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Speaker 3: You might be able to get a edge player at

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Speaker 3: might be like almost getting a guy that would be

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Speaker 3: these types of players, but then at tackle, if you

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Speaker 3: pass on one of these tackles and we're acting like

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Speaker 2: Be there, and I don't know if they will be.

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Speaker 3: But if Jana Chora Blake Miller is there but you

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Speaker 3: pass on that for another position, then where are you

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Speaker 3: getting tackled depth from? And are you really feeling great

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Speaker 3: if that's the way you look at Edge Rusher and

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Speaker 3: up picking there. I think that there's a much bigger

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Speaker 3: So that's why I think it makes sense to go

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Speaker 3: tackle edge rusher as much as I hate it, Like

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Speaker 3: I've said all off season that I don't want to

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Speaker 3: But is Morgan Moses gonna play seventeen plus games?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: Is who's behind those two with Will Campbell and Morgan

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's the third tackle. But I think that

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Speaker 1: speaks to the great unknown of this draft being at

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Speaker 1: the cracks. And I think a lot of time teams

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Speaker 1: And this is a really talented player that we love,

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Speaker 1: and even though we might not have an open spot

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Speaker 6: I just feel like it needs to be a smart

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Speaker 6: about filling, like Evan say, it's about filling the holes

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Speaker 6: where you need depth and tackle you need depth. Edge,

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Speaker 6: you definitely need depth. I wouldn't I see a scenario

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Speaker 6: where the Patriots take two.

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Speaker 1: Edgedressers in this draft.

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Speaker 6: I think it's very possible because they need to expand

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they just need to get better. It kind of

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to put too much on it

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Speaker 1: because I think that the Patriots have a young quarterback

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Speaker 1: it tackle that even if it's not an immediate starter,

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Speaker 1: it's a guy who's going to be protecting Drake may

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Speaker 1: But I also think the late rounds are really important

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Speaker 1: to build. You know, they weren't able to do it

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Speaker 1: at the top of the draft they need to find

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Speaker 1: of draft they gotta find guys that can provide some depth,

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Speaker 1: that they have decent depth at as well as running back.

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Speaker 1: But they just have to continue to get their kind

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Speaker 1: of guys in this draft, and every draft is important.

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Speaker 1: This is where you build yourself a long term, sustain

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Speaker 1: enable program. And they have a lot of picks tonight.

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Speaker 1: I just hope they make the best use of them

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Speaker 5: I mean people forget like has gone to play a

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Speaker 6: It's just something that's That's the thing with the Kyle

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Speaker 6: this year, so it's is it worth giving up something

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Speaker 1: Give him a contract? You know, see he can work

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Speaker 1: I mean, we go back and forth with Max Claire

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Speaker 1: know that it's another Antonio or a J. Brown, So

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's another one of those positions where you know

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Speaker 3: you mentioned tonight like Kenyon Zadik's the only first round

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Speaker 2: End at thirty one.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go out on a on a big

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Speaker 3: You know, I have seen some mock drafts with conversations

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've beaten the dead horse on my

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Speaker 2: Not my guy, not my type of flavor at that position.

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Speaker 3: But you know, Claire, I think kind of is the

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Speaker 2: I feel like we've talked a.

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Speaker 1: Lot my first favorites.

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Speaker 3: We talked a lot about Delp, we talked a lot

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Speaker 3: don't feel like we've talked enough about Max Clair, who

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Speaker 3: maybe not as good as delp and Rausch do, but

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Speaker 3: still feel like the one thing I keep coming back

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Speaker 3: to with this entire draft, this is your side of

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Speaker 3: the street, Duce. They have not drafted a defensive player

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Speaker 3: been two straight drafts where they've been all offense or

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Speaker 3: had going on offensively. But Christian Gonzales and Kean White

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Speaker 3: they have made two first round picks on the defensive

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: So at some point, and I know they have Gonzales,

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Speaker 3: and I know they have Milton Williams and Barmore, and

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Speaker 3: they do have, you know, guys like Gonzo who are younger,

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Speaker 3: skew younger. But at some point you need to start

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Speaker 3: because otherwise the cupboards is gonna go dry quick. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes right to what I was saying earlier.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I think edge is a position that

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe competes with Ponder. But I look over

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Speaker 1: there at like the defense that you know goes spallane

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Speaker 1: because someone certainly with Christian ellis entering the last year

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Speaker 1: but they but it's tenuous. Guy gets hurt, you know,

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Speaker 2: I love this off the ball linebacker class.

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Speaker 3: You know, Wolf said that it didn't grade out quite

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Speaker 3: think there's gonna be a lot of value there. You know,

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Speaker 3: maybe eight to ten guys that are worth picking in

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Speaker 3: the middle rounds of this draft. At linebacker, you know,

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Speaker 3: they have their five offensive line, and they have three

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Speaker 3: of course they have the quarterback, So like, what more

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Speaker 3: do they really need for twenty twenty six besides depth

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Speaker 3: by trading for AJ Brown. Whereas defensively, you know, I

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Speaker 3: I think that that spot not only is thin on

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Speaker 3: Like I like Draymond Jones. I think he's gonna be

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Speaker 3: kind of a wash with Klevon Chase on leaving. Like,

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Speaker 3: out and then at behind that, I you know, are

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Speaker 3: we gonna put a lot of eggs in Elijah Ponder

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Speaker 3: and Braden Swinton baskets that those guys are gonna take

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Speaker 2: Stuff like, Like, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think that's putting a lot of expectations on guys

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Speaker 3: that were late round draft.

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Speaker 2: Picks or udfas.

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Speaker 3: So I really would like to see them come away

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Speaker 3: four month talking about We.

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Speaker 1: Heard from Elio Wolf last week and he said we

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Speaker 3: And I think the tough part about it is that

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Speaker 3: Watching TJ Parker and I went back and watched his

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Speaker 2: Like what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 3: You know, I watched him against Texas and the College

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Speaker 3: it's it just doesn't He's not a pass rusher like

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Speaker 3: that's not his strength. He's a really sturdy, stout edgesetter,

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Speaker 3: that's what he told you, they're going with speed off

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Speaker 3: the edge, that those three guys fall young Parker, I

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Speaker 3: just like, don't see how that's their guy?

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Speaker 1: How our guy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And I so I look at you know, Lawrence, I

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Speaker 3: look at Howell, Armyson Thomas. Maybe if it's in a

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe if they're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna wait a little bit longer and get involved with

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Speaker 2: But I kind of crossed the Parkers and the Young

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Speaker 3: I just if he can't go to the podium and

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Speaker 3: Zion Young, Like he just doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 6: Of of those three, I would say t J. Parker

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Speaker 3: Guy, in my opinions, got the most.

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Speaker 2: Off the edge.

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Speaker 1: I like Derek Moore a lot.

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Speaker 6: Him and Malachi Lawrence are very similar with their plus

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Speaker 6: Malaky's more.

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Speaker 2: A little a little more quick, a little more twitch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: His speed to power is definitely his calling card and

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Speaker 3: saying it, but when I first started watching him back

441
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Speaker 3: in February, I thought that I was going to be

442
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Speaker 3: getting this like Combine superstar right, where like he doesn't

443
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,720
Speaker 3: really know how to play football, but man is he

444
00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:43,360
Speaker 3: an athlete?

445
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:43,640
Speaker 1: Right?

446
00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,399
Speaker 3: And then I turned on the tape with him, and

447
00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,359
Speaker 3: he's got some skill. He's got some pass rush moves.

448
00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,679
Speaker 3: You know, he's got a wide repertoire, things that he

449
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,040
Speaker 3: can go to to beat tackles. And you know, I

450
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Speaker 3: was reading some of the mock drafts from some of

451
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Speaker 3: the big insiders, you know, the Schraggers and the Daniel

452
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,760
Speaker 3: Jeremiah's and things like that, and they got Malchay Lawrence

453
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Speaker 3: going before the Patriots. You know, a guy that's gonna

454
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Speaker 3: maybe slide all the way up into the twenties of

455
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 3: this draft. So he's your classic riser. He is skyrocketed

456
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Speaker 3: up the board.

457
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Speaker 6: It's really interesting too, because he was pretty pretty much

458
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,960
Speaker 6: in that second third round area.

459
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,119
Speaker 1: For a lot of that's how it happens.

460
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Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's a UCF thing, right, He's a

461
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,199
Speaker 3: it's a smaller school. It's not a blue blood. It's

462
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Speaker 3: not Georgia, it's not Alabama. You know, it's not one

463
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Speaker 3: of those types of programs. And nine times out of ten,

464
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Speaker 3: when you see a guy like that tear up the combine,

465
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Speaker 3: he's got no feel for the game. He's just a

466
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 3: raw athlete, a ball of clay. And there's definitely some

467
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Speaker 3: development needed with mal Ky Lawrence against the run, but

468
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 3: as a pass rusher, I was really impressed. I was like,

469
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Speaker 3: this guy knows what he's doing. Uh, but you know

470
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Speaker 3: that's rare from those types of schools. So good on UCF.

471
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Speaker 3: They coach that kid up. Good for them.

472
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Speaker 1: Well he humored me for a little defense talk on

473
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Speaker 1: the edge. But I don't ask question like.

474
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Speaker 4: What about wide receiver?

475
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 1: It talking all right, just simple questions. He do the

476
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Speaker 1: Patriots draft a wide receiver this weekend?

477
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Speaker 4: Yes?

478
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Speaker 5: I don't know where though, dude, this is this is

479
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 5: draft like number six for US seven, maybe Auntie Higgins.

480
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Speaker 5: H It's just crazy, like out of all the prospects

481
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 5: we've had CD Lamb, we've had JSN Alave, we never

482
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Speaker 5: take them.

483
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 3: All those guys went ahead of the mill.

484
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, saying the drafted McMillan.

485
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Speaker 5: But we're getting that is that like we've had all

486
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Speaker 5: these like blue trip players and naturally this draft which

487
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 5: doesn't have anybody that stands out to you and me, Duce,

488
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Speaker 5: We're going to take somebody, and I just don't know

489
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Speaker 5: when it's going to be Boston.

490
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Speaker 1: But I think the tea leaves are I'm reading the

491
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Speaker 1: tea leaves to say, if the aj brown things in

492
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Speaker 1: the works, you're not going to spend a high round pick.

493
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Speaker 1: Kind of takes the wide receiver out of the mix

494
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 1: for me, at least in the first few rounds. You know,

495
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Speaker 1: maybe you take a shot at a bigger, developmental kind

496
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Speaker 1: of a guy. I find myself gravitating now everything I

497
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: look at with wide receiver, it's based on Drake May.

498
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 1: And what does Drake May like? He likes big guys,

499
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Speaker 1: big catch radiuses, uh, guys that he can roll the

500
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: ball downfield too with accuracy. So you know, if you

501
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 1: can outsize somebody short, or you can outspeed somebody deep

502
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: and catch that deep ball, I think it's a good

503
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 1: match for Drake, but I have to. I mean, I've

504
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 1: been pointed out all spring. You know, a bunch of

505
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: guys are free agents next year, and it's it's Mac Collins,

506
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, Tomorrio.

507
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 2: Douglass in the twenty twenty three guys, and.

508
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: We're seeing Kyshan Boody is rumored with trade speculation.

509
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 5: Now, my thing is if you take a receiver, like

510
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 5: obviously not first round, well who knows these days, but

511
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 5: like mid round, Like what does that do for Kyle Williams,

512
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 5: Like we just drafted him. I want to see him

513
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Speaker 5: get more touches, like he had a couple of breakout

514
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 5: games last year. I just think it does more damage

515
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Speaker 5: to those players that are already here.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I hear the argument for well, why don't

517
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 3: you split the baby and draft one in like the

518
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 3: third or fourth round, so at least you have one

519
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 3: developmental guy. But if you do end up.

520
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Speaker 2: Trading for a J.

521
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: Brown, it's not like you're burying somebody that you drafted,

522
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 3: you know early on in the draft too early. But

523
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 3: then you know, you start to think about the guys

524
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Speaker 3: that would be in that RANGEO stribbling to john'stribbling.

525
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 2: From all miss.

526
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 3: Now everybody's saying he's going to the second round. So

527
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: like at one point he was the darling fourth round

528
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 3: pick for the Patriots. Oh like, you know, you want

529
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 3: to split the baby. Just take de John Stribbling at

530
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: one twenty five. Now it sounds like he's going to

531
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 3: be off the board by one twenty five.

532
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: So who is it?

533
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: Is it?

534
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: Bryce Lance?

535
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: You know, there's a couple of different guys in that

536
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 3: Ted Hurst, you know, like who falls maybe in that range,

537
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: But I'm still not.

538
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 2: Ruling out Denzel Boston or CASEC.

539
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 3: Like CASEC to me is, you know, probably the best

540
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: pure separator out of any of the receivers in this draft.

541
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: I know he's got some concerns at the catch point

542
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 3: with his hands and things like that, but if you

543
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: just want an electric playmaker that gets open at the

544
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: top of routes that eats up you know, Cushion with

545
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: his speed, a really really good three level separator and

546
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: big play type of guy.

547
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Speaker 2: I'm with you, Duce.

548
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: I know we get a lot of flak for liking

549
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: Denzel Boston. They get on us for it. It's like

550
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 3: Nikhil Harry went to Jalen Polk school.

551
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Speaker 2: I know, but I thought he moved pretty good.

552
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Speaker 1: I mean he's not as loose and and flexible as

553
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: McMillan is. I mean he's just a special, almost like

554
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: basketball kind of player.

555
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: So I McMillan went in the top.

556
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: But you look at the what is a three percent

557
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: drop rate with this guy? I mean, monster hands, catches,

558
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: everything is not everybody needs to be a burner. There

559
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: can be a spectrum of wide receivers on your team

560
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: that hey, we got a big guy to move the chains,

561
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: we got a fast guy to get down the field.

562
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: I just going back though, if you were to get

563
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: AJ Brown and you're looking at next year and Kyle

564
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: Williams has a good year, is it terrible to look

565
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: at AJ Brown, Romeo Dobbs, Kyle Williams emerging. Is that

566
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: a terrible top three? So ideally you'd love to get

567
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: back to a place where, hey, we're gonna have three

568
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: wide receivers up next year, let's draft one this year.

569
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: But I think they're almost a little bit over their

570
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: skis at this position right now. And the last point

571
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: I'll make on these guys is just I wonder if

572
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: Efton Chisholm's gonna push if he's if he's gonna do something.

573
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas was so up and down. We saw him

574
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: like you want him to be a quick, short slot receiver.

575
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: It's not really what he is. He's a fast guy,

576
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 1: but he wants to make plays downfield. I don't know

577
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: if Drake loves throwing in the ball because he is

578
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: a smaller. He did make some big plays. He had

579
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: a big touchdown against the Chargers in the playoffs, so

580
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: it's not like he's a total loss. But I I

581
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: still have that Minnesota game with Efton Chisholm in my

582
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: head of toughness after the catch and the queen.

583
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

584
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: That's why I know, and I don't want to get

585
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: over it, but it's there was something about him that

586
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: was tough and that I felt like I could see

587
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: something here that isn't necessarily what we're seeing from puffed up.

588
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: I know it was essentially a preseason game against the

589
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: Jets too the second time, but he also had a

590
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: pretty nice game against that. You know, had a nice

591
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 3: catch over the middle against it, you know, all Helpolitz

592
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: and kind of knew where he was supposed to be

593
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: and got opened quickly. And was there and you know,

594
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 3: broke a tackle, made a big play. But I you know,

595
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: we were arguing about this on catch twenty two yesterday,

596
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: And I'll ask you guys this, there's a world where

597
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: they are up on the clock at thirty one tonight

598
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: and Casey c is staring them in the face and

599
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: he's just the best player on the board by a

600
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 3: country mile. Is it too much to sign Romeo Dobbs

601
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: draft CONCEPSI owner Denzel Boston and trade for Aj Brown?

602
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 3: Like are we sinking too much into wide receiver? I

603
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: kind of feel like that is a lot to sink

604
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: into one position. With that being said, I hear the

605
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: other side of, well, now you don't have a receiver

606
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: problem anymore, right, Like you just nailed it in terms

607
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 3: of that. So it's a little you know, is it

608
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: two bengalsy for me? Where like Drake may is gonna

609
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: spend his entire season on his butt, So like what

610
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 3: difference is going to make? Or you know, are we

611
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 3: feeling good about just blowing it out at wide receiver

612
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 3: and saying we just got three studs?

613
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: It's tempting. It's tempting. I'm not gonna lie. I mean

614
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: as much as I would probably prefer to like go

615
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: tackle or along the line. It is tempting.

616
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: It's tempting.

617
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 5: But you guys have talked about this on PU but

618
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 5: we're just like throwing Kaishan Boudi's name through the mutt.

619
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 5: Like you drafted, he's twenty three years old. He's become

620
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 5: a productive receiver, and like the point of the draft

621
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 5: is to develop people. Well, you got a twenty three

622
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: year old developmental receiver that you drafted, and I know,

623
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 5: like the market adjusts. Paul thinks he's reached his level,

624
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 5: but I just I feel like he's sometimes too good

625
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 5: to just throw out the door, or at least you

626
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 5: got to get something good in return for him.

627
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: It's another good debate and I Albert Breuer reported today

628
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: he was looking for a third day pick for Kaishan Boody, which.

629
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: Sounds about right.

630
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: I mean, but it's I tend to agree with what

631
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: you said. Paul said. I think he is what he is.

632
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: It's not at great hands. You know, uh gets downfield.

633
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: I mean the catch in the playoffs was outstanding. But

634
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be upset to part with him if it

635
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: meant bigger thing.

636
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: Do you have a you do, sorry, Chris, do you

637
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 3: is there a bigger ceiling there? Like, is there a

638
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: player that you can bring in?

639
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: Obviously?

640
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 3: Aj Brown has a higher ceiling than Kayshan Boody, you know,

641
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: Denzel Boston. I think, you know, I would like kind

642
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: of say he's sort of more Matt Collins and he

643
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: is Kai Shan Boody, but you know, like he's Matt

644
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: Collins with like a jet pack on his back, right,

645
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 3: and so you know, and younger obviously too.

646
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: So I I just if you're.

647
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: Bringing in another receiver, you're probably thinking it's going to

648
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: be in that sort of bigger body outside receiver prototype,

649
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: whether it's in the draft or it's AJ Brown. So

650
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: where is Kai Shan Boody's snaps coming from? Like where

651
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: is he going to play? And he's a good enough

652
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: player that he should be playing. You know, this isn't

653
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: a situation where you know you can sell to him. Hey,

654
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: you're a young kid, Kyle Williams is like, you know,

655
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: you're sitting behind digs, like you know, learn the ropes,

656
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: learn from the vets, like Kaishan Boody is gonna want

657
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: to play, and rightfully so.

658
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: And it's if you're gonna trade him. I think now's

659
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: the time. I think you're selling high on him. You're

660
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to give him a contractor let him hit

661
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: free agency next or maybe then you're looking at a

662
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: camp pick. But this might be the time to trade him.

663
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 6: Right, I mean for a production level this past season.

664
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 6: Obviously you saw a lot more out of kai Shan

665
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 6: Boody than you did of out of Kyle Williams. But

666
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 6: you think about their two play styles and how they

667
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 6: were making plays and touchdowns. They were scoring all downfield touchdowns.

668
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 6: Kyle Williams only a tender sets on the air, but

669
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 6: he had three touchdowns that.

670
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: Went for yeah, thirty plus yards.

671
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, So you know, these are the plays you have

672
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 6: to keep in mind. And Kaishan Boody being as big

673
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 6: of a downfield threat as he was for Drake, could

674
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 6: Kyle sort of fill role in that type of world

675
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 6: as well?

676
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: You know?

677
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you saw you saw flashes of it this

678
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 6: past season. That's why it's really an interesting debate.

679
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Booty. I mean, that's that's

680
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: always the X factor. I think a couple of years ago,

681
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: or not more than a couple of years ago. Now

682
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: was like the Gronk trade, like I thought he was retired.

683
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: You know, there's some weird stuff that sometimes happens in

684
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: this weird period while you're building up to the draft.

685
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm another person I want to talk

686
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: to you guys about and we do a lot of

687
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: these shows. We talk a lot about this stuff. We

688
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: never really talk about the running backs.

689
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: And because what running backs do you want to talk about?

690
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: Rondertive is the Treeman Henderson we know, we know we got,

691
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: but you know, Reggie Gilliam, they brought him in full back.

692
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: Brock might be your guy maybe coming back and to

693
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: try to push, but you know, Terrell Jennings, Elijah Mitchell,

694
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: land Larrison. Ideally i'd like to have a third back.

695
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: Is that something that in the draft or one of

696
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: those guys? Okay, and I know we're talking about the

697
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: third running back.

698
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: Obviously I had real.

699
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: Estate on on brock Lampy Island, all right, Like I

700
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: have a little house there. But I also would say

701
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: that I have a little house on land Larison Island

702
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: as well, because I really liked what I saw out

703
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: of land Larrison in the spring last year.

704
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: And I know it's the spring.

705
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: I know it's you know, flag football and they're not

706
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: hitting anybody. But I thought he looked really smooth running

707
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: routes out of the backfield.

708
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: I remember Ricky Minni caamp, he was like the big take.

709
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, whoa, you know there's Rex burke Head.

710
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: You just printed out Rex Burkhead again, like cool. Uh. So,

711
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: you know, I thought that he showed a little bit

712
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: of something. Obviously had a tremendous production. I know it

713
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: wasn't a high level of football, but had tremendous production

714
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: in college. I just I wouldn't sleep on land lairs

715
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: and making a push for that running back three spot.

716
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: I'm with you, though, you know, maybe in the late

717
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: day three range, can you bring in some competition for

718
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: him and Terrell Jennings and and maybe you know, whoever

719
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: is the best in training camp is the one that

720
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: ends up winning the job. But I you know, listen,

721
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: there's a lot of property available on land lars in Island.

722
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: You're all welcome. You can all buy a house if

723
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: you want to buy a house. I'm telling you right

724
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: now to buy some property beachfront if you want to.

725
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: It's all available. It's it's a really great.

726
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: I went to our to our haircut gy g, a

727
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: r G might go after this and and the guy

728
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, I cut some of the

729
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: Patriots and I'm like, oh really, who was like lean lears,

730
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: that's a random.

731
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: He just got off the he's dragging down Main Street.

732
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna be there with him.

733
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 5: Sorry, no, no, I remember for the running back section,

734
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 5: I was just looking for something that draft even that

735
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 5: just something that Patriots don't have. And I looked at

736
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 5: Mike Washington, just short yard. He's from Arkansas and the

737
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 5: kid from Navy Eli he can just mca he can

738
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 5: play everything, and that forces mccaffe does that not scream?

739
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: One of our seven six round picks over there?

740
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: Would have it? Bill Belchi.

741
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: I think he might be going higher than that.

742
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, Josh McDaniels, you have to think

743
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: that Josh McDaniels is like, I could have a lot

744
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: of fun with this guy, right, you know, is he

745
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: a receiver? Is he an h back? Is he a

746
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: running back? He might be all three? You know, I

747
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: don't really know. You know, if he can play, his

748
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: path to me is is you know, sort of in

749
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: that kind of jack of all trade sort of role

750
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: and then obviously being a big impact on special teams.

751
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: So I don't know what.

752
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: I don't break down the special team's gunner tape like

753
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: some people do, so I don't know what he brings

754
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: to the table and that uh so, but he's gonna

755
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: if he's gonna make a roster as a rookie and

756
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: really push, you know, to get playing time, he's gonna

757
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: have to play in the kicking game as well. It's

758
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: not going to be one of those situations where he's

759
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: just gonna be an offensive weapon. I would say that

760
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: with anybody that's running back three though last year, the

761
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: third running back, whether it was Antonio Gibson, it was

762
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: Drell Jennings, it was Dearness Johnson was returning kickoffs all

763
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: year long. So that player is going to have to

764
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: bring some sort of returnability kick coverage, preferably both, to

765
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: the table in order to make the roster. So I

766
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: think LeAnn Larrison has a little bit of that juice,

767
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: like he might. He doesn't have the straight line speed,

768
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: but with the new rules, he might be able to have,

769
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: you know, some kickoff experience and returnability. But if I'm

770
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: looking at running back late on Day three, whoever they draft,

771
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: I think is going to have to be somebody that

772
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: translates to the kicking game in some capacity.

773
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the full back in the addition, you

774
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: know that they made all sleep with Gilliam might change

775
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: this a little bit. But for me, when I was

776
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: looking at the running backs, I felt like short yardage,

777
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, Ramandre treveon third and one, those guys not

778
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: not their kind of scene. I think, I mean, they

779
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: can get it done, but maybe the fullback changes that

780
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: equation a little bit. Washington, I think he's going to

781
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: go to I mean, he's like probably the third back

782
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: in the class, right, I mean, he's going to go

783
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: pretty high behind Love and Price. But you know, like

784
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: Ca Tron Allen, Joe McColeman, those were a couple of

785
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: guys that short yardage with.

786
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 5: Running back at least, that's the one position you can

787
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 5: actually pick somebody up off the street.

788
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: They can get three yards I know and not speak

789
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: in my language.

790
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: And that's what I like you get back to just prioritizing,

791
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: And I mean I thought your question was great of

792
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: about Concepcio being there. You know, do you just make

793
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: the pick even if it's not the biggest uh you

794
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: know need and you might be over stacking the wide

795
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: receiver room, but I kind of get back to the

796
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: trenches and trying to just build from there out. And

797
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: that's why when you said the cornerback thing, I was like, no,

798
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: and I get it, because let's face it, there a

799
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: multiple time last year you thought Calton Davis was done

800
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: and then he was back out there having like seven

801
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: times like even in practice like uh oh there go

802
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: there and then he's right back in. But that's and

803
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: that feeds into kind of the next thing I wanted

804
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: to talk about, which was just the nose tackle position.

805
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: And you know, this is a good class have There

806
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: are a lot.

807
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: Of big dudes.

808
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we did the defensive tackle pre the defensive

809
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: line preview. I feel like maybe they didn't get their

810
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: due because we piled the edge, the linebackers and the

811
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: defensive lineman in there. But Kate McDonald's a guy that

812
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: I've seen more than a couple of people mentioned as

813
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: a potential fall through the cracks. Here he is and

814
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: there's something and you guys know me, this is what

815
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: I love. But there's something very appealing to me about

816
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: that kind of young, big defensive lineman who still is growing,

817
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: still has a ceiling to plug him in with Milton Williams,

818
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: with Christian Barmore. You hope that Corey Durdin continues to ascend.

819
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: Maybe you're getting something out of Lenny t But I

820
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: I would kind of like that pick, and I think

821
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: people probably wouldn't like.

822
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: Well, there's two ways to look at that pick.

823
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: One is in order to get the third down and

824
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: you have to stop him on first and second and

825
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: Cadan McDonald is one of the guys that's gonna stop

826
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: him on first and second down. And it's a copycat league.

827
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: And I understand that we do this and we overreact

828
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: every year to.

829
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: The Super Bowl. But Seattle won the Super Bowl because

830
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: of the trenches.

831
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: Like they did not win the Super Bowl because they

832
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: had Jsen on the outside.

833
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: They won the Super Bowl because they dominated the line

834
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 2: of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

835
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was the defensive line. It was the

836
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 3: run game in Kenneth Walker was the MVP of the game.

837
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: That's what won Seattle to the Super Bowl. So if

838
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 3: you're trying to replicate that, you know they come at

839
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: you on the defensive line and waves like, it's not

840
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: like they didn't have one necessarily, you know, Aaron Donald

841
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 3: or Miles Garrett on their defensive line. They just have six, seven,

842
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: eight guys and the year before who won the Super Bowl,

843
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles with this same Bill Brams, just all

844
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: these different guys on the defensive line that could contribute.

845
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 2: So point.

846
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 3: He might not be the pass rusher that I wish,

847
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: you know he was. He's not a three technique, he's

848
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: not a penetrator. But the one thing that it does

849
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: really stand out with McDonald is he has the ability

850
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: to make plays in the run game. Like he's a

851
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: playmaking nose tackle. He's not a space eater. He had

852
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: thirty run stuff slash year that was the most in

853
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: the FBS. So this is the guy that can get

854
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: off blocks, his knock back power just ragged all guys

855
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 3: out of the way and made tackles. You know, that's

856
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: different than oh, this guy is just gonna stand in

857
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: the A gap and like he's gonna be hard to move.

858
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 3: He's more of like a playmaker at that position, which

859
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: is enticing. When we moved down the draft and we

860
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: get into you know, my guy big Citrus and Dante

861
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: Corley Big if they if they draft Big Citrus tomorrow night,

862
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be.

863
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: Squeeze on him.

864
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: He beat him to a pulp. It's a lot of

865
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: work player with an orange. But the nose tackle is

866
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: really the only position that wasn't a one for one

867
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: swap this offseason. Everybody else, I mean, maybe you could,

868
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess you can't even say Jack Gibbons

869
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: because k brit they brought him in. But otherwise, you know,

870
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: anybuddy they lost they kind of replaced. That was almost

871
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: toa say, Mike Ga SICKI I'm losing track of my

872
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: TV too.

873
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: You've been here too long.

874
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: I've been here too long. Austin Hooper replaced by Julian Hill,

875
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: which is definitely kind of a different swap. And maybe

876
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: we could circle back into these tight ends a little bit,

877
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: because I feel like that's the class today or not,

878
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, this weekend. Yeah, that that that's the most

879
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: direct opportunity to give Drake a weapon that you can

880
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: see away to the field for them doesn't have to

881
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: immediately be thrust into first and second down and blocking

882
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: right right, you can you have a spot for hey,

883
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: you might only play third downs. And I keep going

884
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: back to what Aaron Hernandez did as a rookie. You know,

885
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: you know that fell apart obviously, but he was just

886
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: instantly a guy that came in and made an impact

887
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: in the passing game, maybe even more than Gronk right

888
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: out of the gate. I mean, Gronk obviously became all

889
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: all over the you know, the all around tight end

890
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: that that you need. But that's where we're at, and

891
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: that's when we look at these classes. He's two hundred

892
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: and thirty six pounds. Is he ever gonna be that

893
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: true dog blocking tight end? But do you even need

894
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: a true blocking tight like you could grab a guy

895
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: like Julian Hill. He's gonna do the dirty work. Let's

896
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: get an.

897
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 5: Athlete, Julian Hill. He doesn't move the needle for me,

898
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 5: but he fills a role. But people just forget, you know.

899
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: See this is the thing Matisse see in April doesn't

900
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: move the needle. But then when it's third and one,

901
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: and when it's third and one in the AFC Championship

902
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 3: game with a trip to the Super Bowl, they're running

903
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 3: behind and they and they can't pick up the yard

904
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: which they couldn't do really at all last year. And

905
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: their goal line rushing was not good last year either.

906
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: And he got Gilliam and he's coming through the hole

907
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: and Barrett tuckles on the double team, and and Julian

908
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: Hill is kicking out on the edge and they get

909
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: to one yard. You're gonna say to me, we're going

910
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: to the super Bowl. I'm gonna be like, yeah, matist,

911
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: who got us there? You know you're saying, oh, yeah,

912
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 3: prove wrong.

913
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: During the draft. I love to be proved wrong during

914
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: the proved the room draft. Though, I feel like this

915
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: is all like you select the guys, Andre, like, we'll see.

916
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a big I mean, the draft is the draft.

917
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 6: That's why it is what it is. It's a guessing

918
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 6: game in a way. And you know you want to,

919
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 6: you know, watching film, who you're gonna get and what

920
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 6: you're gonna see from the player. But it comes down

921
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 6: to how this player can be developed and can grow.

922
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: And I was looking back the first time I did

923
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: first big ward of the twenty eleven and I just

924
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, over the years, like you're showing your age,

925
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm showing my But I've always enjoyed it. But I'm

926
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: always amazed by the fact that we do our little

927
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: mock drafts and our big boards and all that kind

928
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: of stuff, and our little you know, they're big, are solid,

929
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: our solid drafts, and we're wrong a lot, but they're

930
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: wrong a lot too. Like across the league, thirty two teams,

931
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: like all they're doing like we do it. Like I

932
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: literally a Super Bowl ended, like the next week we

933
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: get in and we're like jump into the draft now,

934
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: Like who's this conceptsy own guy? Yeah, I mean you

935
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: probably know more than me. I'm like completely a blank

936
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: page when it comes to the draft. But even still,

937
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: like these guys do it year round. There are scouts

938
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: going to every school watching all these players, tracking them

939
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: through four years, like they swoop in their senior or

940
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: junior year and say, all right, he's coming out. Is

941
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: this guy good? Like they know they probably go all

942
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: the way to go back to high school and so

943
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: you think this is the culmination for this whole scouting class.

944
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: But every single team is going to have probably a

945
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: bad miss in this draft.

946
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of approve me wrong, guy, And this isn't

947
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 5: just for this isn't for me at just the media

948
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 5: in general. I would say Craig Woodson a lot. He

949
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 5: got drafted. I think a decent amount of people are.

950
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 4: Like, I'm just not sure.

951
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 5: Then he's bawling out in the Super Bowl, which also

952
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 5: goes to safety in general. Evan, on your big board,

953
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 5: you have a couple of safeties too, right, I.

954
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: Do have a couple of safeties. I think you know,

955
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: Kevin Byern is thirty three years old, he's only on

956
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: a one year contract, and he's a great player. He

957
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: is an All Pro last year. But I think that's

958
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: a position that is sort of twofold to me.

959
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 2: One.

960
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: I think that they need pipeline players, they developmental players,

961
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: because Bayern's obviously going to be here for a short time,

962
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: not a long time. The other thing is is do

963
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: they want to get more three safety heavy? Do they

964
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: want to have that in their back pocket that you know,

965
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: dime defense sixty you know, defensive backs, third down and

966
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: not to keep going back to Seattle, but Seattle, right, Like,

967
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: do you want to be able to do that sort

968
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: of thing? Uh, then you need to get a third

969
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: safety in here that's maybe a little bit better than.

970
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: What you have.

971
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: You know, no disrespected del Pettis, but you know, can

972
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: you upgrade that third safety spot in the short term,

973
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: and then maybe in the long term that player is

974
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: Kevin Byard's long term replacement in Craig Woodson's wingman for

975
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: the next four or five years. So, you know, we

976
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 3: talked about cacc if Emmanuel McNeil Warren is one of

977
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 3: the guys that slides through the cracks at thirty one

978
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: because all the tackles go, and all the edge rushers go,

979
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: and the receivers all go, and you're sitting there and

980
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 3: you're saying, well, McNeil Warren bigger, longer, more physical player

981
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: than what we have already. So can he be like

982
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 3: our big nickel, you know, as a rookie and then

983
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: train under Kevin Byard, and then when Bayard is not

984
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: here anymore, then we have a guy to step right

985
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: in as a starter. With McNeil Warren. You know, you

986
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: can go later in the draft at that spot too.

987
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: It's a pretty deep safety draft, but I'm just saying,

988
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: you know, there's arguments to be made for that position

989
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: as well.

990
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: I think you're touching on to me, which is one

991
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: of the most interesting schematic things of this draft, and

992
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: we've talked about a little bit, is just they have

993
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: a very specific set of safeties types that they like.

994
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: But how do they split that second level coverage?

995
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: You know?

996
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: And that feeds into do they look at a linebacker

997
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: and off the ball linebacker who might maybe having a

998
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: little bit more size to challenge some of these tight ends,

999
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: or do they look at a little bit more of

1000
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: a strong safety. When you look at modern NFL defense,

1001
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: I see that as like kind of the weird point.

1002
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: And it was so on display when you went from

1003
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: Jerrameo and Bill Belichick's defense where it's Patrick Chung and

1004
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar and you know, match and never have too

1005
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: many strong safety types. And our linebackers are gonna be

1006
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: big dudes who we probably don't want them in coverage,

1007
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: but they're gonna be able to stop the run and

1008
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: be physical. I think you might maybe get a signal

1009
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: here of like what direction the scheme's gonna tend to evolve,

1010
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: because again, and going back to my main point, you

1011
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: didn't they couldn't do everything last year. So I think

1012
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: there probably are some players in positions last year that

1013
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: we don't even realize that this isn't the perfect fit. Ideally,

1014
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: we'd like to get a mobile middle linebacker in there.

1015
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: But you know, let's use Del Petes for example, in

1016
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: that role this year.

1017
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: You know, I just thought they got into some of

1018
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: the dime stuff last year, and they did have Del

1019
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: Pettis on the field in certain situations, and I just

1020
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: love the look of that. I think that, especially on

1021
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: third down, there's just a ton of flexibility that you

1022
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: can get out of that schematically. Whereas you know, they

1023
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: lived a lot in three corner nickel last year, and look,

1024
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: they have three really good corners with Gonzales Davis and

1025
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones, so I get it. But when you're a

1026
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: team that lives in three corner nickel like that, you

1027
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: know eventually what we saw and I know we keep

1028
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: going back to it, But in the Super Bowl, a

1029
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: team just ran at three corner nickel and they were

1030
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: able to run the ball right down your throat. And

1031
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: they didn't have a bigger option in the nickel spot.

1032
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: And I love Marcus Jones, but Marcus Jones is not

1033
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: that right, and so you know, they didn't have a

1034
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: bigger body type to put in the slot that might

1035
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: be able to essentially stop to run like a linebacker

1036
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: and be a little bit more physical and you know,

1037
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: be take up a little bit more space. So you know,

1038
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: that's a lot of these defenses, you know Seattle's and

1039
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: you know the Baltimore's and the Chargers and you know,

1040
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: all those different defenses that are kind of the darlings

1041
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: of the league right now.

1042
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: A lot of them have that.

1043
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 3: Nick Ammon worry player that's sort of a Swiss Army

1044
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: knife that can blur the lines between safety and linebacker,

1045
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: and not necessarily in the same way as the Belichick

1046
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: defenses did it, in more of a unique zone kind

1047
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: of dropping type of way, but still a guy that

1048
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: is just a little bit more sturdy in.

1049
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: There and you know, can hold up against the run.

1050
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: He's one of the first thoughts I had watching the

1051
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl up in the six hundreds, the all twenty

1052
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: two of you. But it was obvious from the start

1053
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: that they had aj Barner and they're going to get

1054
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: him on Marcus Jones. And you know, we saw Marcus

1055
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: Jones almost pick off a pass. But all season long,

1056
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: and I love Marcus Jones. I thought that was the

1057
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: best year of his career. Last year he was an

1058
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: All Pro punt returner. He is an impact player on

1059
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: defense and he unleashed the level of physicality last year

1060
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: that we had not seen yet. But you're gonna have

1061
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: to live with the fact that when he gets matched

1062
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: up on a tight end or a tall receiver and

1063
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: teams are gonna try to get that matchup soright.

1064
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: You know.

1065
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: It's just it's one of those things where you love

1066
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: the player, but you know that there are some things

1067
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: that he just inherently is five foot eight and if

1068
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: he's on a guy who's six foot five, you can't

1069
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: blame another team for targeting that, you know. So I

1070
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: but to have another player to slide in there, and

1071
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: then it's like, well we pulling Marcus Jones.

1072
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: I've always wondered if, like you know, maybe this is

1073
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 3: totally off base, but if they did get a guy

1074
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: that could play a little bit bigger in the Nickels spot,

1075
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 3: Like can Marcus Jones play a little bit of safety?

1076
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1077
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: Like can he move back a little bit to the

1078
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: deep part of the field. I mean, he's got great speed,

1079
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: you know, he's got instincts, he's got a nose for it. Like,

1080
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, maybe he's somebody that you could use in

1081
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: that sort of way. Because I don't want to take

1082
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: him off the field. He's one of their best players.

1083
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: Like no one's you know, trying to take him off

1084
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 3: the field. But at the same time, you know that's

1085
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: there's an argument to be made for that, and I

1086
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: had that tough time.

1087
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: Dude, you kind of hit on it with this draft.

1088
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: So many when you look for those bigger safeties like

1089
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: a Nick Ammon worry, they don't exist because they're all linebackers.

1090
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: So like in college now the two hundred and twenty

1091
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: pound you know, strong safety is now Kyle Lewis, he's

1092
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: now playing linebacker. You know, he's Harold Perkins, he's you know,

1093
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: guys that have LB next to their dame. So it's

1094
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: maybe semantics, you know, whether he's a linebacker or he's

1095
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: a safety. But in this safety class, there's a lot

1096
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 3: more cover guys and there are run defender types, and

1097
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: like there aren't a lot of guys that are true

1098
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: box safeties because those are all now being played at

1099
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: linebacker in the college game. Like the one guy I

1100
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: can probably think of his trade on Stokes from Arizona,

1101
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: but he might now go in the first round two apparently,

1102
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: so you know, I don't I don't know, But like

1103
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: you know some of the guys that I gravitated towards,

1104
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: you know, Bud Clark, Genesis Smith, those types of players,

1105
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 3: those are cover guys like those are guys you want

1106
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: to know.

1107
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: Is the one the one?

1108
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: Him and McNeil Warrener the two guys I think are

1109
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: going to play closer to the line of scrimmage.

1110
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: So you know, maybe Halsey's on the list.

1111
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: All right, guys, I hate to do this too, but

1112
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to just talk for a minute about the

1113
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: other teams in the NFL, specifically AFC.

1114
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 4: Oh.

1115
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: There are teams, well, especially the Jets, who are are

1116
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 1: picking second overall. And you know, look the Jets, they've

1117
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: made a lot of moves this offseason. They kind of

1118
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: hit the reset button again again. But if you were

1119
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: the Jets, ev or you know, anybody can chime in,

1120
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: just you know, you're picking here at two and sixteen,

1121
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: I mean, opportunity for the Jets and this is just

1122
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg for all their picks. The

1123
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins picking right before the Patriots. But I don't

1124
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: love that either, because that's going to always be a

1125
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: pick that's kind of married to the Patriots. And then

1126
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: you know the Bill's going slightly before that at twenty six.

1127
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: Just any general thoughts you guys have on on the

1128
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: AFC East what they need to do. You know, especially

1129
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: Buffalo I've said, is maybe panicking a little bit. Maybe

1130
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: they're getting a little tight.

1131
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: They see as soon as Josh.

1132
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: Allen opened that game, I'm like, oh, this is gonna

1133
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: look good for the Bruins. But you know, those are

1134
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: the teams I see is obviously the Patriots most direct competition.

1135
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: The Bill's looking to bounce back this year. They've got

1136
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: a new head coach. What do you think the Bills need?

1137
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: So I think the smart move to make is to

1138
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: draft one of these edge rushers because they are thin

1139
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: there and you know, I know they have Greg Russou

1140
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: on one side, but the other side has kind of

1141
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: been a little.

1142
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: Bit more of a revolving door.

1143
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: And I think defensively, it doesn't get talked about enough

1144
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: how much of a step back they've taken on that side.

1145
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: Of the ball.

1146
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: And I think ultimately what decided McDermott's faith. I know

1147
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: it's because he didn't win any playoff games, but I

1148
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: think ultimately why they didn't win any playoff games was

1149
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: just as much about the fact that they couldn't stop

1150
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: anybody when it mattered versus Josh Allen and his issues

1151
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 3: in playoff games.

1152
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: So McDermott was a defensive coach. It was his system.

1153
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: It went back a lot of years, all the way

1154
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 3: back to Carolina, like over a decade plus of running

1155
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: that same system in Carolina and Buffalo, and it kind

1156
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: of fell apart talent wise for them on all three levels,

1157
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: I would say defensively.

1158
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: So Ed Rusher, I think is the one.

1159
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 3: Just listening to some of the people in Buffalo, that's

1160
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 3: like that's a smart pick, right, Like that's the you know,

1161
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: head on your shoulders kind of pick. The pick that

1162
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: is the classic Buffalo Bills pick is wide receiver because

1163
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: you're just trying to make Josh Allen as operational as

1164
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: possible and appease people when they say that Josh Allen

1165
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: doesn't have enough, you know, around him in the passing game.

1166
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: They certainly took a step back in their downfield passing

1167
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: game last year. They were not a very prolific downfield

1168
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: deep passing attacks. They didn't really have anybody to throw

1169
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: to them, right, So you have Shakir, you have Kincaid,

1170
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: You have knocks. Those guys are kind of second you know,

1171
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: first and second level. Yeah, the Dj Moore trade is

1172
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: sort of along the lines of trying to get somebody

1173
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: that can win on the outside and down the field.

1174
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 3: But I think that ultimately they come back and they

1175
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: take one of these edge rushers. The Jets are also

1176
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 3: really fascinating to me. I feel like they should probably

1177
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: go David Bailey because to me, r Vel Reese is

1178
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: a ball of clay. He is Is he a linebacker?

1179
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: Is he an on the ball linebacker? Is he an

1180
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 3: off the ball linebacker? Is he a pass rusher?

1181
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: What is he?

1182
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 3: And if I'm the Jets, I'm thinking a little bit

1183
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: pessimistically here, like, are we one hundred percent sure.

1184
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn is the guy?

1185
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: And if we're gonna give him this developmental player that

1186
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: we don't really know where he is gonna play, and

1187
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 3: it's sort of a feeling out situation, and we're gonna

1188
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 3: draft him with a plan in mind from one coach

1189
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: and then a year from now we're gonna have a

1190
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: totally different coach. You know, Is that really the best case?

1191
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: Where David Bailey has been playing EDG rusher his whole life.

1192
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: You put him out over the tackle and you know

1193
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 3: he's gonna be able to play the position. So it's

1194
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: definitely a simpler projection, and especially if you're not one

1195
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: hundred percent sold on the coach, giving him a guy

1196
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: like Rvel Reese feels like tenuous at best.

1197
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 5: If you're the Jets and the Dolphins, you need to

1198
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 5: draft an edge rusher because for those two you're playing

1199
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 5: Josh Allen Drake May for the next minimum eight years.

1200
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 5: If you're the Jets and the Dolphins, do not draft

1201
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 5: Tie Simpson like you should, but I've just not really

1202
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 5: sold on it when you got next year's draft class

1203
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: or you're potentially getting on paper a better quarterback as

1204
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 5: Evan said, like are you gonna draft Tie Simpson and

1205
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 5: then Aaron Glenn's gone, and then you're kind of stuck

1206
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 5: with a Josh Roseen situation, Like you don't want to

1207
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 5: waste that pick.

1208
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: He is Simpson gonna get you to a point where

1209
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: just out of range of the better quarterbacks, but you know, yeah.

1210
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 6: Serviceable that you can.

1211
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: Like a Dolphin or Jets pick.

1212
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: To me, no, I think the Jets are in full

1213
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: you know, let's wait in for the twenty twenty seven

1214
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: quarterback class and hope like Arch Manning or one of

1215
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: those guys is falls.

1216
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: To our lap.

1217
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 3: The Dolphins, I think, kind of believe in Malik Willis.

1218
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if they should, but they kind of do.

1219
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 6: They do.

1220
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: It's like a bridgie thing though still yeah, obviously if

1221
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 3: it doesn't, if it blows up in their face, then

1222
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: they'll be at the top of the draft and they'll

1223
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 3: be picking quarterback next year too. The team that feels

1224
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 3: like the Ty Simpson team to me is the Cardinals. No, Like,

1225
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: that's a team that I feel like, you know, they

1226
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: have a Laflora now as their head coach, Like, if you.

1227
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: Can you plug him into that system that all.

1228
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: The you know, Shanahan Tree guys are running And is

1229
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: he brock Purty, is he Jimmy Garoppolo? Is he just

1230
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: the guy that's going to hit the right buttons and

1231
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: get the ball where it needs to go?

1232
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 5: But you're talking about the Cardinals, it could be the

1233
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 5: same thing. They're probably gonna stink again next year and

1234
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 5: then you're in another top ten situation you have Ty Simpson,

1235
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 5: Are you literally going to do the same thing?

1236
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an interesting point, especially when you think

1237
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: about our team is really gonna want to trade up

1238
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: for him. That's been some of the speculation. I want

1239
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: to get into the first round, get him with a

1240
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: fifth year option. But I like what you're selling a

1241
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: little bit better rather than expending capital now to get

1242
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: them and then feeling like, well, we don't even know,

1243
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: and let's face it, I don't even know if you'll

1244
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: know next year with it, well, he might need a

1245
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: couple of years.

1246
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 5: That also being said, we talk about quarterbacks, look at

1247
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 5: two years ago by saying Michael Pennix going in the

1248
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 5: second and he went number nine something like that, yet

1249
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 5: pretty high.

1250
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: So nobody there is there that kind of pick this?

1251
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: Hear you think, is there somebody? Because I've seen speculation

1252
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: here today and this is of course we're all losing

1253
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: our minds now. Having done this for a munthiple months,

1254
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: you figured out every scenario and now you're coming up

1255
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: with the ones that are the most ludicrous. But you

1256
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: know it, is there a player this year you think

1257
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: that somebody might fall in love with and just grab

1258
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it is Simpson. Maybe somebody does love him.

1259
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: I think for me, I think for me, he really

1260
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: loves Simpson.

1261
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go a different angle with how you word

1262
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 6: that question is and say, I feel like there's more

1263
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 6: of a chance that a lot of these edge guys

1264
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 6: that are in this draft.

1265
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: I think there's I mean, like everybody that's just a

1266
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: run on edge first round.

1267
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, like either that or some of the guys that

1268
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 6: you were thinking might go early early in that like

1269
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 6: top ten area. Maybe it's gonna be a different edge

1270
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 6: rusher than we thought, you know what I mean something

1271
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 6: like that. I think it's more likely that one.

1272
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 3: I feel like we've gotten to a consensus with this draft.

1273
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: It's a weird draft. There isn't a ton of blue

1274
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: chip talent. There isn't a ton of quarterbacks other than Mendoza.

1275
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: I feel like sure things, but like I there's a

1276
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 3: long list, but I feel like there's probably, like I know,

1277
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: the nine guys that are like the guys in this draft.

1278
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: You know, Mendoza, Reese, Styles, Downs, Jeremiah Love, David Bailey,

1279
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: Monsieur Delaine, who I think is just a stud at cornerback.

1280
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: And then I'm biking on the last one. Of course,

1281
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: I'll pull it up a second bin.

1282
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1283
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 3: Ruben Bain and so I feel like those nine guys

1284
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: are are going somewhere in the top ten. I don't know,

1285
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: you know, obviously we know where Mendoza is going, but

1286
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 3: other than him, I don't really know an order. But

1287
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: I think those nine guys are going to go somewhere.

1288
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: I think the wild cards in this draft to me

1289
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: are guys like Jordan Tyson, Carnel Tait. Like, do those

1290
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: guys you know, sneak into the top ten? Do they

1291
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 3: go ten to the giants? You know, something like that.

1292
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: And I would also mention the offensive lineman that everybody

1293
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 3: says is gonna are gonna fly off the board, But

1294
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 3: some of these offensive linemen have some weird quirks about them.

1295
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: You know, Francis Milwauga's had a little bit of an

1296
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: injury thing going on pre draft, and uh doesn't have

1297
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: you know, it's a wider body, shorter build, you know,

1298
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 3: in terms of his arm length and things like that.

1299
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: So he's kind of like a little bit of a

1300
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: tweeter between a garden right tackle. I would say, you know,

1301
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: Spencer for no. I some people think he's gonna play center,

1302
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: you know, like he's like one of those guys that

1303
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: is like you know, no one really knows where he's

1304
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: gonna end up on the line, but everybody likes him,

1305
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 3: you know, Like, but no one really knows where he's

1306
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: going to play. So, uh, when you hear those types

1307
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 3: of things about tackles, it just doesn't feel like that's

1308
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: like a top ten tackle, like your top ten tackle.

1309
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: You know where he's going to play, you know, you

1310
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: know what his skill set is and his body type

1311
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: suggests and all that stuff. You know, I don't know

1312
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 3: if you're going to pick a guy like Fano in

1313
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: the top ten that it might actually be a center,

1314
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 3: you know, Like I.

1315
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: Don't know about that too soon. Yeah, all right, we

1316
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: got five minutes left, guys. I want to have a

1317
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: bold predictions here. There's only some bold predictions here on

1318
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: this draft. This weekend can be anything. They're going to

1319
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: select a position for Patriots. The Patriots only.

1320
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 5: That's what we're getting. We're getting a Gonzo Askue thing

1321
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 5: and we're trading up and taking Sadik. Wow, they said bold.

1322
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean I like it. We both kind of flirted

1323
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: with that. It goes back to what I said, like

1324
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: that second tight end, Like that's like.

1325
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 5: If you like a guy and he's a couple of

1326
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 5: picks ahead of you go get your guy.

1327
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 3: So there are all these rumors about trading downs, trading up, don't.

1328
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: Make any picks, they trade him on next year.

1329
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 6: I do that, I would say for me, I mean,

1330
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 6: my head's been selling it. I think in some way,

1331
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 6: Casey conception.

1332
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 4: Might fall to be a Patriot.

1333
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 6: I do feel that way. I've been on him Tisa

1334
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 6: and I've been talking about for a while. I think

1335
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 6: as well, and I just think he's one of those guys.

1336
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 6: If he falls, I think you just go with it.

1337
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 6: I feel like he's the most well rounded receiver in

1338
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 6: this draft as far as hands, speed, you know, rout ability,

1339
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 6: just guy that can get off the ball and he's quick.

1340
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: You know.

1341
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm kind of married to him in that

1342
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 6: water shee resition.

1343
00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: I really love.

1344
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 6: We would love to see Casey can concept you don't

1345
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 6: be a Patriot.

1346
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: That's a good one. I don't think trading out is

1347
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 2: bold anymore.

1348
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 3: Sent how about they trade out of the first round,

1349
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: but then they trade back up from sixty three in

1350
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: the second round and try to draft two guys in

1351
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: like the top fifty range. You know, I feel like

1352
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a lot of maneuvering in the draft

1353
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: like this, and I wonder if maybe they look at

1354
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: it and say, let's take two bites at it, you know,

1355
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 3: in that twenty five to fifty range instead of one,

1356
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: and move around the board a little bit. If they

1357
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: do trade down tonight, I hope that they get a

1358
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven pick involved. I think you're gonna trade

1359
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty seven pick for a J. Brown, So

1360
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 3: it'd be nice to get one back in that trade

1361
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: to try to replenish the stock there.

1362
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: A little bit.

1363
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: But I am anticipating that the Patriots could be moving

1364
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 3: around a little bit over the next couple of days.

1365
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go I don't know how both this is.

1366
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go defense, that they're gonna this is gonna

1367
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: be a defense heavy draft, and that tomorrow there's gonna

1368
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: be three picks, that two of them will be defensive

1369
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and that they're really going to

1370
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: remake the color of this defense with some of their

1371
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: some of their guys. I mean, that's when we were

1372
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: in Indye for the combine, it was just anyone you

1373
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: talk to you like, that's a that's a raable guy.

1374
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: You know, you can tell the guys that play with

1375
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: that kind of style. But otherwise, any any hopes for

1376
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: tonight guys as we count down the last hopes we

1377
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: got about eight hours.

1378
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 5: I hope we get I hope we get a good

1379
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 5: a good vet in a trade like yeah, like, I

1380
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 5: don't know what's going to be.

1381
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: It could have been no, no, like you know, not.

1382
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 5: That it's pits, but somebody that can plug and play instantly.

1383
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 5: You're giving you're giving up a pick, but you're getting

1384
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 5: a Star Brown not named a J.

1385
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 4: Brown.

1386
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: What position?

1387
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: I don't know?

1388
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: Ho anything else?

1389
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: Chris?

1390
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: What do you got going tonight? Chris?

1391
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 4: I need Max.

1392
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 6: I am not sure to be a patriot.

1393
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 4: I know what I want.

1394
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: That's that's the bull, that's the bullet.

1395
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: I can and I will.

1396
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 3: Like to pick somebody because I think, you know, maybe

1397
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: Campbell had some detractors, but at the end of the day,

1398
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: everybody saw the vision and understood why and all that

1399
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. This has been a draft has been

1400
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 3: a little bit more touchy, I would say, because they're

1401
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 3: of where they're picking. You know, we get hit crap

1402
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: for you know, being sold a little bit on Denzel Boston.

1403
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: I also, you know, cash is Howl in the arm

1404
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: length and we're doing that whole thing again.

1405
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: So I just want all of you to be happy.

1406
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: I just want all of us to be able to

1407
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: sit here and say, yeah, we like that pick.

1408
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: Last question just for like, is there that guy? Like

1409
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: I feel like you could rattle off every single potential

1410
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: Patriot pick at that position, and I can easily see

1411
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: what we don't get that guy, you know, because somebody's

1412
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: gonna make everybody happy.

1413
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 3: Like I think Howl is a really good player, and

1414
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: all I keep hearing is bust Like he used. That

1415
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: guy's gonna be like why because his arms are half

1416
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 3: an inch like shorter than you want them to be.

1417
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 5: Like, come on, think about all the busts that we've

1418
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 5: had here, Like is it that bad?

1419
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: And look all these guys that we're talking and we're

1420
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: looking right now with like the top town of Dania

1421
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: Joe Remia is final, Like a bunch of these guys

1422
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: are gonna be bus As much as we're pumping every

1423
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: single one of these first rounders up, there's gonna be

1424
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: a large number of these guys that don't work.

1425
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: There's there's two guys maybe three, but if we want

1426
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: to count Mendoza, Styles and Jeremiah Love are not going

1427
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 3: to be bused. Like those are the two guys that

1428
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: I feel really good about that are going to be

1429
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: great players in the league. But yeah, like, let's just

1430
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: pick somebody that you know we can all get behind.

1431
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: I think if there are a couple of lightning rods

1432
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: in this draft, I think Denzel Boston is certainly one

1433
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: of them, and I think Howell's kind of the other

1434
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: guy that like, because of the measuables, because of the

1435
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: athletic profile, people just like don't want anything to do

1436
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: with them, and I okay, so let's just go a

1437
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: different direction.

1438
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 6: I think a big thing is if if you can

1439
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 6: get the guy off the board and the consensus of

1440
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 6: people can say, all right.

1441
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: I see the motion, Yeah all right, I want the

1442
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: Patriots scout the guy with the Twitter. People think, yeah, okay,

1443
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: but I have to deal with the Twitter.

1444
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: You are?

1445
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: You are? Oh boy? Well that's going to do it

1446
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: for another season. Patriots Draft count Down presented by Bud Light.

1447
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: Of course, we will be live tonight for Patriots Unfiltered,

1448
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: the infamous Draft show which Fred always says, you better

1449
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: bring it, So we got to bring it tonight.

1450
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: He's at me.

1451
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 4: You better bring it.

1452
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: I know, Evan, I'll bring it. I mean, locked in loaded.

1453
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: We can barely contain him. But it's gonna be a

1454
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: great draft night. Hope you'll stick with us for all

1455
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: three and a half hours as we wait for the

1456
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: Patriots to make their pick, and then we'll be back

1457
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: tomorrow on Friday, and then of course Saturday too for

1458
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: a final two to four. We'll wrap things up as

1459
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: those six round picks continue to roll in and we

1460
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: all try to find a way to get some sleep.

1461
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: So thanks for spending this hour with us, and we'll

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01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: see you in about five hours.

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01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 4: Hey, this is Deuce.

1464
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,280
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1465
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,000
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1466
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01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,000
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Speaker 4: Thanks a lot,