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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome to Crime Stories tonight.

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Speaker 1: It's a very special night, and I'm speaking on behalf

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Speaker 1: of not just myself, but our entire staff across the

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Speaker 1: country as they are, and all of our families, because

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Speaker 1: we are speaking one on one with two very special people,

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Speaker 1: people that you had never heard of just a few

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Speaker 1: years ago, but now are icons in the crime victim

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Speaker 1: community and across the world. Christy and Steve Gonsolve us

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Speaker 1: are joining us tonight. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: You want the truth.

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Speaker 3: Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you hadn't

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Speaker 3: attached them in their sleep in the middle of the

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Speaker 3: night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to open with sound from your daughter speaking

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Speaker 1: out at Brian Coberger sentencing. I got to tell you something.

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Speaker 1: You did something right the way you have raised your children,

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Speaker 1: Missus Gonsalvius. Weren't you so proud of her? And under

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Speaker 1: the worst conditions she stood strong.

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Speaker 4: She has never ceased to amaze me throughout this whole

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Speaker 4: entire process. She has just been just amazingly strong and

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Speaker 4: when we went to the sentencing, we actually did not

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Speaker 4: know what each other was going to say because we

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Speaker 4: did not want to influence each other's speeches, so we

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Speaker 4: did not know, and it was all new. And she

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Speaker 4: got up there and I was just as sounded. I

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Speaker 4: was just beside myself. And then when she was done,

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Speaker 4: the audience or the courtroom clapped, and it was like,

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Speaker 4: is that normal.

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Speaker 2: I don't think people normally clap, but it was. It

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Speaker 2: was very surreal.

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Speaker 4: It was very oh my gosh, what happened. And then

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Speaker 4: you know, we I'm like, I have to hear that again.

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Speaker 4: It was just so good, just so proud of her,

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Speaker 4: of what she said and the way she articulated it

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Speaker 4: was was perfect.

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Speaker 1: I am going to play some of your daughter speaking,

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Speaker 1: But as I'm looking at the two of you sitting there,

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Speaker 1: so close together, connected, clearly connected. You know, when marriages

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Speaker 1: face the slightest problem, like you don't have enough money,

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Speaker 1: or there's an illness in the family, or just any

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Speaker 1: number of things, marriages break apart. But under the single

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Speaker 1: word first thing that could happen to a mother and

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Speaker 1: a father, the death of your child, which most of

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Speaker 1: us can't even imagine. You too, same, even stronger, you see,

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Speaker 1: even closer. How is that happening, Christy?

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Speaker 4: I honestly it has brought us closer, just because the

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Speaker 4: pain and the anxiety that we have had are especially me.

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Speaker 4: Steve has just been so amazing. He's been so gentle

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Speaker 4: with me. He's given me grace, He's given me time

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Speaker 2: You know, what do you need? Can I help you?

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Speaker 4: And you know I tried to be that person for

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Speaker 4: him as well, and you know, I sometimes I just

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Speaker 4: need a hug when he gets home. I'm like, I

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Speaker 4: just need a big hug, and he just wraps his

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Speaker 4: arms around me, gives me this big old hug, and

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Speaker 4: I just feel better. And I mean he's been my

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Speaker 4: it has been for almost thirty years, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Husband all wrapped up in one. I was blessed.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. So many things about you two

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Speaker 1: are interesting, and so many millions of people have been

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Speaker 1: watching you at a distance, and I'm just so honored

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Speaker 1: that I get to actually talk to you, not just

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Speaker 1: watch you in a courtroom or on a camera. Mister Gonsalves,

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Speaker 1: you have been very outspoken, very outspoken throughout this entire nightmare,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people have attacked you. I don't

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Speaker 1: get it. Do you even care what they say? I

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Speaker 5: Now it just rolls right off my shoulders. I play

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Speaker 5: support my whole life. I'm used to like constructive criticism,

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Speaker 5: so that'll take to heart. And you know, sometimes I

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Speaker 5: will misspeak or I'll say something.

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Speaker 6: That you know I'll take back because I got I

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Speaker 6: got my facts wrong.

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Speaker 5: But I'm defending my children and my daughter and my wife,

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Speaker 5: so I don't really take to heart them. I know

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Speaker 5: that there's going to be some people who side with,

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Speaker 6: I think they have.

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Speaker 5: More in harmony with evil than they do good, and

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Speaker 1: Well, our family, the Grace family, has a very old saying,

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Speaker 1: screw them and the horse they rode in on. So

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Speaker 1: that's my legal advice to you. I'm want to circle

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Speaker 1: back to your daughter, who was absolutely amazing. You know what,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't just happen. She's amazing because you raise her

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Speaker 1: to be amazing. She didn't just come out that way.

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Speaker 1: She has had years of you, you as her example.

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Speaker 1: What am I talking about? Listen?

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Speaker 3: You thought you were exceptional all because of a grade

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Speaker 3: on a paper. You thought you were elite because your

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Speaker 3: online IQ test from twenty ten told you so. All

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Speaker 3: of that effort just to seem important.

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Speaker 2: It's desperate.

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Speaker 3: There is a name for your condition, though your inflated

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Speaker 3: ego just didn't allow you to see it.

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Speaker 2: Want to be.

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Speaker 3: You act like no one could ever understand your mind.

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Speaker 3: But the truth is you're basic. You're a text bookcase

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Speaker 3: of insecurity disguised as control. Your patterns are predictable, your

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Speaker 3: motives are shallow.

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Speaker 1: You are not profound. You're pathetic.

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Speaker 3: You aren't special or deep, not mysterious or exceptional. Don't

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Speaker 3: ever get it twisted again. No one is scared of

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Speaker 3: you today. No one is intimidated by you, No one

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Speaker 1: No one thinks that you.

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Speaker 2: You are important.

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Speaker 3: You orchestrated this like you thought you were God. Now

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Speaker 3: look at you begging a courtroom for scraps. You spent

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Speaker 3: months preparing, and still all it took was my sister,

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Speaker 3: and as she you work so hard to see him

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Speaker 3: dangerous but real control doesn't have to prove itself.

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Speaker 1: I love her. Did you have any idea what she

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Speaker 1: was going to say? Christy?

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Speaker 2: No, no, we didn't.

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Speaker 4: We didn't share our speeches with each other because we

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Speaker 4: didn't want to influence them, and we were writing them

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Speaker 2: So no, she got up there and she flipped the table.

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Speaker 2: I mean she flipped it all upside down.

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Speaker 4: We were like, oh, oh, my goodness, you know, and

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Speaker 4: she she did great. People love her, and you know,

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Speaker 2: She blows my mind all the time, all the time.

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Speaker 1: I just want to play one more time. I've got

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Speaker 1: so many questions for you, but I just got to

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Speaker 3: The truth is the scariest part about you. It's how

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Speaker 3: let me be very clear, don't ever try to convince

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Speaker 3: out loud. I see through you.

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Speaker 2: You want the truth.

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Speaker 3: Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you had

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and all over the world people

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Speaker 1: joined in that applause. She's amazing. Steve, did you have

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Speaker 5: We kind of did. We talked about topics, and she

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Speaker 5: talking point. So that was the kind of collaboration we did.

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Speaker 5: But I think when you see here you have a

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Speaker 5: glimpse of who Kaylee was as well. And when you

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Speaker 5: hear my son he was speaking as well. When you

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Speaker 5: see the two kids, you see who these kids, who

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Speaker 5: Kaylee was, And that was our best way of showing

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Speaker 5: the world what had been stolen from us. He was

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Speaker 5: very average, but his victims were exceptional, and that's what

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the victims. Victims all over

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Speaker 1: I remember the moment that I turned into a crime victim,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't punch the numbers. I remember it exactly when

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Speaker 1: Missus Gonsalves did you know, without a doubt, something horrible

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Speaker 2: It was Sunday, November thirteenth.

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Speaker 4: We were all here watching the football game, and my

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Speaker 2: And I threw my phone across the room and I

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Speaker 4: But we're still trying to stay calm, saying it's going

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Speaker 4: But we see her house on TV and it's purten

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Speaker 4: off with yellow tape. I knew, I knew in my

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Speaker 4: heart that something terrible had happened, but for sure when

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Speaker 1: Mississ go salmis, what do you mean? Because I knew

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Speaker 1: Keith was dead before they said he's dead. I knew

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Speaker 1: you know in your heart? And what was that feeling?

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Speaker 1: How did you know? And I've heard many many other

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Speaker 1: violent crime victims say the same thing they knew before

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Speaker 4: Well, I knew just because of my niece calling me.

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Speaker 4: So I knew, even though, like we didn't have confirmation.

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Speaker 2: She's gone. She's gone, guys, I don't.

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Speaker 6: My life and Coutney County car and.

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Speaker 5: Thankfully he gave us a little bit more information than

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Speaker 6: Do we let her know that.

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Speaker 6: Her up or anything like that. So mean's ongoing investigations.

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Speaker 5: it was very frustrating. We got the vandal alert that.

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Speaker 1: Just trying to imagine everything that you're saying, and the

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Speaker 1: You can't go there, there's nothing you can do there.

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Speaker 4: driving all night, you know as well, and I just

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we knew that Gayle had mentioned being stopped, even

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Speaker 5: just the devastation. So I was like, you're finding that information,

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Speaker 5: this is what I know. I was right across the street,

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Speaker 5: this is what's going on, Yeah, and were just looking there.

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Speaker 1: I remember what you said, Steve.

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Speaker 7: Listen, within hours, within hours, we had your white car

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Speaker 6: We knew, we knew from the very beginning, we had you.

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Speaker 7: Police officers tell us within minutes they had your DNA

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Speaker 7: that's stupid, master degree.

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Speaker 6: You're a joke, complete joke.

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Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace. So at the very beginning, Steve and Christy,

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Speaker 4: Yes, because Jack actually wound up coming here because he

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Speaker 2: Obviously he was there at the scene.

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Speaker 4: And stuff, so he had heard what Dylan was seeing.

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Speaker 4: So once he told us that because, like I said,

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Speaker 4: But then Dylan was saying, there was a mass man

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Speaker 2: They rested somebody.

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Speaker 4: And when Jack told us that, I was kind of like,

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you're right, because we were all led

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Speaker 1: in their sleep. That is not what happened at all.

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Speaker 5: Steve, you don't expect the prosecutor to lie to you,

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Speaker 5: and we were lied to. All the parents were lied to.

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Speaker 5: We weren't given the details. They're asking us to make

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Speaker 6: Circumstance of what happened to them. I know for a fact.

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Speaker 5: That's when one of the mothers heard what happened to Kayley,

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Speaker 5: You know, and they kept saying stuff like crime of

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Speaker 6: They were clearly stocked. I don't care what the prosecutor.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he can't prove it because he can't. He's just

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Speaker 5: not that good. But they were clearly stocked. He was

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Speaker 5: there multiple times. The officers were distracted with given miners

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Speaker 5: that town has to clear up some priorities and realize that,

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Speaker 5: you know, noise complaints and alcohol is only a part

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Speaker 1: I was stunned when I heard there was going to

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Speaker 1: the DA lied to you. I believe that because there

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Speaker 1: that is not what everybody was told happened.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thirteen incidents assue before this individual was let go

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Speaker 5: or defunded, whatever that, whatever spin these universities want to

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Speaker 5: put on it. This guy was a nightmare, throwing up

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Speaker 5: red flags everywhere. And those are the type of details

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Speaker 5: that we gotta. We got to force our courtrooms to

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Speaker 5: be more honest, and we shouldn't be seling things up

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Speaker 5: it's getting abused. They're abusing.

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Speaker 6: These rules that they say, oh, we got to protect.

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Speaker 6: They didn't have anyone to protect.

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Speaker 5: They didn't even have the guy until almost seven weeks

442
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 5: and they were still hiding everything.

443
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 6: So it was just a lie. And you know when

444
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 6: you call.

445
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: What were they hiding?

446
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 6: Just telling us our child was stabbed brutally? You know

447
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 6: how many times?

448
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: How many times?

449
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 4: We just learned the day or the day before the sentencing,

450
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 4: how many times Kaylie had been stabbed?

451
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: White a minute. I am stunned because she was stabbed

452
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: so many times they could not identify her, and you

453
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: just learned about that when the plea was set to

454
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: go down.

455
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: We learned about it after.

456
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 4: The plea the day before the sentencing because they lifted

457
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: the gag orders.

458
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: So the detective said that they would.

459
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: Talk to us.

460
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 4: So we talked to them briefly, and we had questions

461
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: about Kaylee. You know, how many times was she stabbed?

462
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: I mean, none of that's not in her on her

463
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 4: death certificate. The coroner never told us. She just said

464
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: around twenty is what she said. So we really didn't know,

465
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 4: and we didn't know where. So we asked them that

466
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: and they told us they told us thirty eight times,

467
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 4: and then we were like okay, and they said Kaylie

468
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 4: had really bad damage to her mouth, and I asked

469
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: them if her teeth were intact, and they told me no.

470
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: And then the day of the sentencing, the docs were dropped.

471
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 4: The Moscow docs were dropped, and the next day we

472
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: were driving home and I was reading some of them

473
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: and I read that Kaylee was they couldn't yeah, unrecognizable,

474
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: and that was that word the will forever like trauma

475
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: traumatized me.

476
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: I didn't expect that.

477
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: And then to read another report that said the same thing, unrecognizable,

478
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 4: and then to read a third report that said he

479
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: wasn't sure what he was really looking at because the

480
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 4: facial structure had been so badly damaged.

481
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 5: So that's why we were discussed with this prosecution team.

482
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: I mean, and we did not know any of that

483
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: for two years and nine months. We did not know

484
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: that because of.

485
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: The GAD order.

486
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 5: And they're telling us, are you okay with us giving

487
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 5: them life in prison? We're like, no, we're not. And

488
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 5: the people who are they don't know what we know,

489
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 5: and we don't know what they know. I don't know

490
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 5: what happened to their child. They don't know what happened

491
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 5: to mine. It was a protective business over the victims,

492
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 5: over justice. We're still fighting with it. I mean, we're

493
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: still fighting with it to this day because we're hearing

494
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 5: details that he was following girls out to their car,

495
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 5: and one of the professors said that this guy's going

496
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 5: to be a problem that he gets his PhD. He's

497
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 5: going to harass students, he's going to freaking abuse his power.

498
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 5: All the things that we suspected that were going on.

499
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 5: We find this out afterwards while they go on a

500
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 5: media tour. They only told us so they could go

501
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 5: do a media tour and tell all you guys. So

502
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 5: they're like, well, we have to tell them before we

503
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 5: tell the world. So basically, twelve hours earlier, they tell us,

504
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: and then they grab a microphone and tell the world

505
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 5: that's what happened.

506
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just so stunned at how this was, how

507
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: this went down on you. And there's something about the

508
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: victim's face, because I know I'm projecting. Keith was shot

509
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: five times in the neck, the face, the back, and

510
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: I tried not to think about it because it throws

511
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: me into a horrible depression because I think about the

512
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: bullets tearing through his face. He had these beautiful blue eyes,

513
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: and I wonder were they shot, what happened? Did he

514
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: feel it when you learned how many times she had

515
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: been stabbed in the face? Were you full of rage?

516
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Were you full of tears. What went through your mind

517
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: when you learned the truth too late?

518
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: So we actually learned all the truth from her autopsy report,

519
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: and we were given her autopsy report.

520
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: On a thumb drive during the sentence.

521
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: The investigator walked into the courtroom that day and said,

522
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 4: and we had to arranged that, and he said, here's

523
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: the autops report. So in reading that autops report, we

524
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: found out that Kaylie had been stabbed twenty four times

525
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: to her face and head. She had eleven to her chest,

526
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: neck and like torso area, and three to her upper extremities.

527
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: So I thought about her eyes too. I was like,

528
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: was her eyes stabbed? But somehow or another, Kaylie's eyes

529
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: had not been stabbed. Kaylee did have really bad facial damage.

530
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: She or some of her teeth were we're missing, several

531
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: were broken, and she had two subdural hematomas to her head, so.

532
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: Her nose was broken badly.

533
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that for me, it was outrage because my

534
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 5: daughter was fighting up to her very last breath over

535
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 5: and over. She kept trying to get out of that

536
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: bed and he was just drilling her and she's fighting

537
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 5: for her last breath. And I got this old Santa Claus,

538
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 5: who's just thrown out a white towel, just saying, oh,

539
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 5: let's just make it all go away. And I want

540
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 5: these type of killings to stop, and you don't do

541
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 5: that with weak prosecutors.

542
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 6: And this man is extremely bad at his job.

543
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 5: And just yesterday we asked AI what are the safest

544
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: countries in the world, And out of the top ten,

545
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 5: every single one.

546
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 6: Of them have the death penalty.

547
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 5: Well eight of them have the capital So for somebody

548
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 5: to think that capital murder doesn't work, well, the safest

549
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 5: countries in the world use it, and they don't use

550
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 5: it like how we are in America. It's just a

551
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 5: bargaining chip.

552
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Idaho has it.

553
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: But our guys have been there for a long time

554
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: and we knew, we knew this wasn't going to happen fast.

555
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: He was going to be on death row. It's the principle.

556
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: He deserves to ultimately die. Now, maybe he's going to

557
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: die of natural causes or just because he gets old

558
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: in there, but we were hoping because they just brought

559
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: back to the firing squad that here, and I know

560
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: things were going to pick back up and they were

561
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: going to start, you know, executing these murderers and these criminals.

562
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: That are on death row.

563
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: But we knew it wasn't going to be anytime soon.

564
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 4: We didn't think they were just going to take him

565
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: out back and shoot him. I mean, that would be great.

566
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: But even if it was exactly how they told us,

567
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 4: they were just sleeping in their beds, they probably never

568
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: even woke up, and they were just stabbed.

569
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: To death, little package of bow.

570
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 4: On it, we still would have wanted the death penalty,

571
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: you know, we still would We wanted it from the

572
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 4: very beginning.

573
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: As soon as we found out that.

574
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: They were is that you were led to believe, Christy,

575
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: did they Because that's what I was led to believe.

576
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: That they were attacked in their sleep and they were

577
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: basically dead before they could even wake up.

578
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: Yes, And then they went to those parents and said,

579
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 5: this is what it is. Do you want to make

580
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 5: a deal. I mean, that's what it is. No, they

581
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 5: didn't know little shoes punch or face was crushed in,

582
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 5: or teeth or not. They didn't give those just because

583
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 5: they knew it would be enraging and then they would.

584
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 6: Have a problem. So the truth was a problem. Truth

585
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 6: was a problem for the prosecutor, and I don't like it.

586
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 6: I don't like it one bit.

587
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: You stated that you are still fighting about it. Number one,

588
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: God bless you and give you strength because you're going

589
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: to need it for the rest of your life. You

590
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: were going to be scrutinized, you were going to be followed,

591
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: you were going to be photographed. Everything you say is

592
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: going to be parsed and analyzed and attacked. But you

593
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: said you're still fighting.

594
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: How trying to get We're still trying to get them

595
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: to release documentation. They told us that when as soon

596
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 4: as we were out of court, they were going to

597
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: give us all of the discovery. Just two days ago

598
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 4: they sent us an email and said, no, that we

599
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: have to go through it as.

600
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: The the freedom of information at it.

601
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: And we were in a meeting with you are kidding me,

602
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: They're making you file a four your request for the documents.

603
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, these people don't.

604
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: Two days ago because we kept saying where's our because

605
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 4: they told us they would.

606
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: Give it to us, They said that we'll give you

607
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: all a discovery and Channon.

608
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: Said they're not going to have to go dig for

609
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: it and get in line with everybody else, and they

610
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: said no, no, no, no, no, nope, we'll give it

611
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: to them, and we keep on asking, and then two

612
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: days ago, beyond email said you're just gonna here's the

613
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 4: links you need to get on here and you need

614
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 4: to file these forms and these requests and there you go, which.

615
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 6: Which I did.

616
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 5: And then it came back and said we can't find

617
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 5: any records on Kayle. And I was like, all right, guys,

618
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 5: tell me what department FBI has, Like, let's you see

619
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 5: over ten and it's probably closer to twenty.

620
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 6: And I didn't know what department.

621
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 5: I went for Criminology, Justice, I believe is where I

622
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 5: did for you, and they said this is the wrong department.

623
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 5: So I went back to them and said, can you

624
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 5: at least tell me what department I'm getting a Freedom

625
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 5: of Information Act on? And they're like, uh, we don't

626
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 5: have anyone to even talk to you to.

627
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 6: Know, so they don't even know. And I'm like, you

628
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 6: guys are clowns. You guys are clowns.

629
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: This you should be you should embarrassed to be this

630
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 5: bad at your job. And I'll hold you accountable. And

631
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 5: I think every family, when you lose your child, you

632
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 5: have to like expect the most when you're talking about.

633
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 6: Life and death.

634
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 5: You have to you have to take charge situation. There's

635
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 5: going to be a time for you to struggle and

636
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 5: be a victim. But if you can rally up and

637
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: then go into that system and say and demand justice

638
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 5: and demand that.

639
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 6: Your child is treated as fair.

640
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 5: As possible, and you'll feel better when it's all said

641
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 5: and done.

642
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 6: You know, it's never going to bring them back.

643
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 5: And I literally had a judge scream at me, you're

644
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 5: we're not going to bring her back, and I was like,

645
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 5: I don't That's not what this is about.

646
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 6: This is about you guys doing everything by the book.

647
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: This is like you.

648
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: Judge told you you're not going to bring her back.

649
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yelling at me, telling me he didn't want

650
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: me to talk to the media anymore. And I said, well,

651
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 5: that's that's not going to happen. I'm going to talk

652
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 5: to media every single time I want. He basically said,

653
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 5: well then we'll never have a trial.

654
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

655
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: He in a close hearing.

656
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe. I judge told you how you're supposed

657
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: to be and you can't bring her back. That is

658
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: not appropriate for a judge to tell a grieving parent

659
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: you can't bring her back. Let's just let it go.

660
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: It's not going to bring her back. It's not about

661
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: her back. It is about justice.

662
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually said, he was talking. We all were

663
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: in the courtroom or on.

664
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: Zoom, all the families, and he actually said, and the

665
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: goods all this family, especially the dad needs to shut

666
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: his mouth.

667
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: And he said, I don't. I don't agree with that.

668
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 4: And he said, I don't care if you don't agree

669
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 4: with that. And Steve said, well, I mean, you know.

670
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 2: Me, I'm fighting for justice for my daughter.

671
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 4: And he says, do you think that that you're going

672
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: to bring her back?

673
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: Doing this all is talking to the media is going

674
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: to bring her back? And Steve goes, no, I mean

675
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: I know that that's not going to bring her back.

676
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: But you know I still have a voice, you know,

677
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: And well.

678
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: Does he get off saying it's not going to bring

679
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: her back to you who have lost your precious pearl.

680
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: And he is telling you to speak? Are you not

681
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: to speak?

682
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 5: I mean I still had a son at that college.

683
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 5: There was another victim's sister that went to WSU. We

684
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 5: had we had lives still on the line making sure

685
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 5: that that place was protected. And when we're sitting there saying, hey,

686
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 5: we need to know the facts. We need to know

687
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 5: where they stop, what's going We have kids still going

688
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 5: to school here, and they're just like, no, you don't

689
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 5: have the right to know anything.

690
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you say the other parents were duped? Do

691
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: you think the other parents were duped? They didn't understand

692
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: the facts where they agreed to that play.

693
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: So the plea.

694
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 4: They set up a meeting with us via zoom, our

695
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 4: whole family on a Friday afternoon.

696
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: It was like an hour and a half.

697
00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 4: Long, and we talked about logistics of trial becauespecially of themecurity,

698
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 4: where we're going to park, how we're going to have

699
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 4: to phone in every day and tell who's coming, and YadA.

700
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: YadA, YadA YadA.

701
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 6: Our car had already been vandalized in their parking.

702
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: Lot the Late Ada County, So we're like, how.

703
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 6: Do we make sure this doesn't happen anymore? Guys?

704
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 4: And ironically, that day that we went to court, there

705
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 4: was a bunch of pro Burgers on the other side

706
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 4: sitting behind Brian doing this and hmmm on the camera

707
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 4: and or we vandalized.

708
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: We're like, so, speaking of.

709
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: The pro Burgers, you know what I have in my hand,

710
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: all of Coburger's complaints. I know it's kind of irrelevant.

711
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: All that matters is Kelly is gone and her friends

712
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: are gone, and he murdered them, and we're paying for

713
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: his three hots and a cot. That's what matters. And

714
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: is there any way under God's son that it can

715
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: be fixed? But I find it ironic that he is

716
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: filing complaints that he is being threatened sex harassment through

717
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: the air vent, like he was the one looking up

718
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: online attacking and raping women in their sleep, when they

719
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: were drugged, when they were passed out, when they were comatose.

720
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: That's his fantasy. That's why he broke in that night

721
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: when he assumed the girls would be asleep. He's whining

722
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: that Mommy, they're threatening me through the air vent and

723
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: there he's actually I love this one that he's complaining

724
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: about the food on his tray and his nutritional value

725
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: of his food, and he refers to bringing the food

726
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: like a butler. The service just hasn't been that hasn't

727
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: been that good.

728
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 6: He's the property of Idaho now and he's going to

729
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 6: get worse.

730
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: To you that. I, like you said, I think it's

731
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: very ironic. I'm like, you know, for him to get

732
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: there and so quickly start complaining and even throwing out

733
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: other inmates' names and CEO names. It's like you were

734
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: in prison. I mean, do you like this is not

735
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 4: his forte? I mean, his forte is to kill, but

736
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 4: not to be killed. You know, his forte is to

737
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 4: you know, possibly I mean he didn't rape any of

738
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 4: our kids, but possibly rape but not get raped. I mean,

739
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 4: you know, it's good for the goose, is not good

740
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: for the gander here, you know. And I think it's

741
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 4: just so ironic that he is complaining with written complaints

742
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 4: and saying this inmate so and so so is doing

743
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: this to me and saying this to me and this,

744
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 4: and and he expects them to come and save him.

745
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, well they've they've been beating him, and we

746
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 5: paid our prisoners. And when when you become the property

747
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 5: of a state, you should lose your constitutional rights. You

748
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 5: shouldn't have all these rights as if you were a

749
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 5: tax paying citizen doing your best job, going to work

750
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 5: every single day. We got to we've got to fix

751
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 5: some of these things. And we have been talking with legislators,

752
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 5: you asking of us things that we've done. We're not

753
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 5: going to take this lightly. We're we're going to do

754
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 5: everything from a victim's perspective. We've become advocates and witnesses

755
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 5: for our kids, and we're trying to change it. And

756
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 5: I think you guys can see that that's that went

757
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 5: all the way down to you, my daughter in the

758
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 5: courtroom going after him and letting them know that we're

759
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 5: not just going to be victims that you can keep

760
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 5: down and keep trying to hurt, you know.

761
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 4: I do also think that they really up the Annie

762
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: taking them to prison, which is what we were hopeful for,

763
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: because I think that lay Talk County Jail was a

764
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: kkewalk and then and then Ada maybe.

765
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: Got little Mayberry. It was myberry. I couldn't believe that

766
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: this guy's kind of how a tablet. He can't watch movies,

767
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: he can communicate with the outside world. I guarantee you

768
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: just give it a minute until people think this has

769
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: died down. He is going to zoom at some symposium.

770
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: He's going to be have this weird cult following like

771
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned the pro Burgers. He can write a book.

772
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,479
Speaker 1: There's no son of Sam laws in Idaho. I don't

773
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: believe he can even get married. I mean, I feel

774
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: like running out in the street and screaming.

775
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 4: I think I just read somewhere the other day, which

776
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: I know I did, that does one of the Meninda's

777
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: brothers have a child?

778
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 6: Yes, he has a daughter.

779
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: Even your vander Slut, you know, Jorn vander Slute that

780
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: murdered two young girls, murdered Natalie Holloway and Stephanie Tasciana

781
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: Florides under similar circumstances as judge Daddy protected him. He's

782
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: had not one but two babies behind bars. He drinks,

783
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: he does drugs, he smokes, he gambles. It's like an

784
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: insane But again, screw them and the horse they rode

785
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: in on. I want to talk about what, if anything,

786
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: can be done now, starting with do you believe the

787
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: other families were duped? If they had known the truth,

788
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: would they have gone along with the plea?

789
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: I can't say one hundred percent.

790
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: But the thing is, I don't want to speak on

791
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: behalf of them by any means.

792
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: But I don't.

793
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 4: Think that the other families necessarily wanted the truth.

794
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: They didn't want to be lied to, but they didn't

795
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: want details. And we did.

796
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: We weren't just like Okay, she was seventy at the round.

797
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: Twenty, We're like, how many you know where?

798
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: And because I do talk to Mattie's mom, and Maddie's

799
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 4: mom is like please please please, like I don't you know,

800
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: so I don't say anything to her. When I speak

801
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: to her about you know, what happened, She's like, I

802
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 4: don't read that stuff. I don't I don't watch it.

803
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: Our thing is we have kids, you know.

804
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: We have two that are older, we have two that

805
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: are younger, and you can't tell them this day on

806
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 4: social media for the rest of their lives. And I

807
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: don't want one of them opened up TikTok and seeing

808
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 4: cremsy photos of their sister or bodycam.

809
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: So we were like, we're trying to stay one ahead.

810
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: And as a mother, even if I didn't have children,

811
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 4: I would still as much as it has traumatized me,

812
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 4: I would still want to know what happened.

813
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 2: I want I want to know what happened.

814
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: Top to body Christy, isn't it true? You basically got

815
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: an email saying, hey, we got a deal.

816
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 4: Yes on a Sunday Sunday afternoon. They sent it at

817
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 4: four fifty three pm. We happen to see what happened

818
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 4: to be checking his email a little later, around six

819
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 4: or so.

820
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: And he said what and we lost our minds.

821
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 4: We immediately emailed them and said we need to talk

822
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: like now, like what has this been sent yet?

823
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: Have you offered it yet? What is going on?

824
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: They sent us an email the next morning and said

825
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: we can meet at three today and we said, you

826
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: didn't answer, has this been sent already? And they said yes,

827
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: it was sent yesterday evening to the defense. And so

828
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: we met with them at three that day on Monday,

829
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: and the plea had already been accepted, and we lost

830
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 4: our minds.

831
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: We were in that meeting.

832
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 4: I mean we were screaming, we were cussing, we were yelling,

833
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 4: we were.

834
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: Saying why did you do this? How did you do this?

835
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: You know what happened?

836
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 4: You just talked to us on Friday and told us that,

837
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 4: you know, you had every anticipation of taking this all

838
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 4: the way. We talked about port I mean we talked

839
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: about a plea deal for like a like a second

840
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: and he just said, oh, I think that they might

841
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: be wanting one, but we have no reason to give

842
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: them one.

843
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: You know, why would we? And we're like, yeah, right,

844
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: why would we?

845
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 4: And he said, how do you guys feel about a

846
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: plea deal, and we're like no, no, no, no, no

847
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 4: no no.

848
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: Boom moved on.

849
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, he accepted the plea deal within the same hour

850
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 5: that he got it. This man never wanted to fight

851
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 5: for our children, literally, I mean it. They fought for

852
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 5: their lives, for their very last breath, and this man

853
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 5: had no fighting it.

854
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 6: They fought hard all.

855
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 5: The way to the end, and he gave up within

856
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 5: an hour of being given an opportunity.

857
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 6: To quit on these kids.

858
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 5: And that's the kind of prosecutor that you got to

859
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 5: get you. You got to get him out. You got

860
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 5: to get real prosecutors in Idaho. We've got some jobs

861
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 5: to do. We got some work to do there.

862
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to have a prosecutor that if you're

863
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 4: in depth inally state believes in capital punishment.

864
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 5: It's not your will, the victims will. If they don't

865
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 5: want it, then fine. But we had four people and Bill.

866
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 4: Thompson has never talked to us since that phone that

867
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 4: zoom meeting that we had, and we were just like,

868
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I can't believe that you did that.

869
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: You man. He's never talked to you since he's been

870
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: all over the media. But he hasn't talked to you.

871
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 5: When we did get a briefing, it was from the investigator,

872
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 5: the two investigators, and.

873
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 4: Ashley Jennings the deputy, but Bill Tump because I mean

874
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 4: we were going after him. I mean, our whole family

875
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: was in different media windows and we were all just

876
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: coming at here.

877
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: We were just like Bell, like how could you do this?

878
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: So this guy did not have the balls to talk

879
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: to you after the deal because he knew he had

880
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: done the wrong thing.

881
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I said, did you at least get some details?

882
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 5: Did you at least get find out about the kill kid,

883
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 5: the knife, anything? You go, Steeve, we will never get

884
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 5: those details. You're never going to get those details. It's

885
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 5: not important.

886
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 6: He's just going to lie to us.

887
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 5: And I said, you are absolutely idiot. You have no

888
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 5: idea who this person is. He is going to write

889
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 5: a book and I'm going to learn about the sickest details.

890
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 6: Through his profit book.

891
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 5: Through its sister, or through some professor, whatever way he

892
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 5: does it.

893
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 6: I'm going to hear about him. And you're an idiot

894
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: for not even knowing who. You're dealing with.

895
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. What do you believe Coburger's

896
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: motive was not that the state needs to prove it.

897
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why they kept talking about we can't

898
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: prove motive. It doesn't matter. You don't have to prove

899
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: motive in a murder case. But what do you believe

900
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: was his motive?

901
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: I think that he had been watching either Kailee or Maddie,

902
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 4: and I don't think the others were involved, and that's

903
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 4: why he went straight up to that room. That house

904
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 4: is so confusing. It's just just a build on from hell.

905
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 4: They just built on and built on and built on

906
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: throughout the years. So it is a very confusing floor plan.

907
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 4: And we know that he went in there very quickly.

908
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: He wasn't you know. He went in and he went out.

909
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 6: And.

910
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: He may have tried to walk into Keailee's room first,

911
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: we don't know.

912
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 4: And Keeley's mid was empty, so he's like, I'm going

913
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 4: into Xantas or Maddie's. And maybe he went into Maddi's

914
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 4: and then got mad because Keaylee woke up and was like, oh,

915
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 4: there's two in here. But I think it was some

916
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 4: sort of an obsession, some sick, sick, twisted, you know, stalking.

917
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: Maybe he hated one of them, Maybe it was both.

918
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: I think it was hate.

919
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 6: There was no blood on Kayley's door, so that would.

920
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 5: Lead us to believe he went there first, opened the

921
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 5: door seeing the dog or seeing something, and then said, okay,

922
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 5: there's nobody here. Then he went to Then I'm thinking

923
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 5: he went to ADDIE's room. And you don't see blood

924
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 5: on that door, but the other door downstairs they do

925
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 5: see blood on it, So I think that was We're

926
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 5: just going through this reverse engineering it. We've talked to

927
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 5: detectives and things like that now and we believe that

928
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 5: that's that's explains who he was going for, and he

929
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 5: definitely stopped them. He stopped multiple girls on that hillside.

930
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 5: He's a copycat killer and he just was really poor

931
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 5: at it. And I mean you could look at his handwriting.

932
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 5: He might be a PhDe student and Sylvania, but he

933
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 5: would have.

934
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 6: Had a wee harder time out here. I mean he

935
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 6: looked like a little kid, like a little fifth grader

936
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 6: write in that paper. So I can't believe that.

937
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: That's Guys, why do you think everybody is attacking Dylan

938
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: and Bethany acting like they did something wrong or even

939
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: part of the murtyrs. It's insane.

940
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: I hate it.

941
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: We absolutely hate it, and it just I fear and

942
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: these girls are so young and for them to have

943
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 4: to deal with this.

944
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: For for forever.

945
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm not going to say that the

946
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: events that occurred that night were strange. Do we think

947
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: they were involved in anyway?

948
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: No?

949
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: Could they have saved the kids if they were there,

950
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: called nine one one right then and there. No. But

951
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean, but you you know, when you go.

952
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: Into fear, you go into that fight or fight mode,

953
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 4: and maybe that was they thought.

954
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: They flew, you know, and they cut up together. It

955
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: was very clear.

956
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: Interesting about what you said when you were talking about

957
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: you saw the LA law enforcement come up in your driva,

958
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: you ran to the bedroom. That I mean, it's hard

959
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: to explain in the heat of the moment, the fog

960
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: of war, why anybody does anything that they do. Why

961
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: did I throw all my books down? I don't know

962
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: why I did that? Why did you run to the bedroom?

963
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. Why does anybody do anything? And attacking

964
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: those girls is just like more victimization, another thing I know,

965
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: you've got to go. I find it really interesting that

966
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: Washington State had this long history of his anti woman,

967
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: misogynist stalking behavior. And did nothing. That's really interesting. If

968
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: he had been thrown out, he wouldn't have even been

969
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: there exactly.

970
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 6: Yep, he should have been thrown out before he ever

971
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 6: killed these kids. That's the truth.

972
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 5: They should have set a standard and said it, Look,

973
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 5: we don't put up with this in our university. You

974
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 5: cross the line, you're done. It's not even our decision,

975
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 5: it's just your behavior. We're holding you accountable. You should

976
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 5: behave like this. That's the expectations in Washington State University.

977
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 6: And you either do it or you don't.

978
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 4: I mean, he had thirteen in the first semester. The

979
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 4: first one came in August, that's the first month that

980
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 4: you come.

981
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: To school, and then twelve twelve after and.

982
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 4: November I had a huge you know, Thanksgiving break, and

983
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 4: then he didn't even go the whole month of December.

984
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 4: He took off, like December ninth or tenth, and there's

985
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 4: thirteen formal complaints.

986
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: What were they doing?

987
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: Just do with it?

988
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 4: Following them, stalking them, just being would kind of act

989
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 4: aggressive and stand in doorways from what we've read, and

990
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 4: the girls.

991
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: Would have to like walk past them, and like all right, yeah.

992
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 5: Guy should have been punched in the face. He was

993
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 5: a creep man. He's a disgusting creep the kind of guy.

994
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 5: We even heard about it from the Seventh Iron's bar

995
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 5: where those girls put a little note saying, Hey, if

996
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 5: you get this credit card, watch out for this guy.

997
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 5: I mean, he's been doing this his whole life and

998
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 5: we didn't stand up to him. We need to start

999
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 5: standing up to these type of bullies. And hopefully Idaho

1000
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 5: get it right. Hope hopefully this prisoner's in there, they'll

1001
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 5: they'll do the real justice.

1002
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 6: They'll they'll have like real.

1003
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 5: Men in there, and they'll handle it the way that

1004
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 5: it should be handled in the first place.

1005
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: Is there any way in your mind that this plea

1006
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: can be reversed or any way that the fans may

1007
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: seek the federal death penalty.

1008
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: We've heard that and we've seen that a lot of

1009
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: people have reached out to us instead that you know,

1010
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 4: this can happen. But we don't understand why it was

1011
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 4: a federal in the first place. I mean, he crossed

1012
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 4: the lines to Killy, we drove from Washington. I know,

1013
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 4: we never understood why it wasn't a federal case in

1014
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 4: the first place.

1015
00:53:53,560 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: But just like it's don I've another question because a

1016
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: lot of crime victims are watching me right now. Do

1017
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: you ever feel Kelly's presence with you?

1018
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: I do.

1019
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 4: I do, not as much as I would like, but

1020
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 4: once in a great while I do.

1021
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: And it's funny because you know, like you're outside in.

1022
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 4: A little ladybuggle, you know, a ladybug will land on

1023
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: you and you're like, oh, you know, it's buck and

1024
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 4: then you're like, lady bug.

1025
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: You know.

1026
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 4: So lady bugs really get me because it's not that

1027
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 4: common that a ladybug will land on you.

1028
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: But Kaylee was a bug.

1029
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 4: She was our bug k bug and we all just

1030
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: recently got lady bug tattoos.

1031
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: But lady bugs are very special and I feel like,

1032
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: you know. And then here's another thing, is Kaylee was

1033
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: she loves Stitch when she was a little when she was.

1034
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 4: Born, Stitch just came out the cartoon Stitch the Disney

1035
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: and so we bought her everything Stitch Stitch, Stitch, Stitch, Stitch,

1036
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 4: And it's very ironical.

1037
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: Since Kaylee passed away, Stitch has been kind of brought back.

1038
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: They've done a new movie with Stitches, their Stitch stuff everywhere.

1039
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 4: So we'll be in the sore of this and that

1040
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 4: we'll be like, and you'll see the most ironic little

1041
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 4: stitch figure or stitch stuff animal in this whole mess

1042
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: of other stuff animals in this little stitch face, and we'll.

1043
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 2: Be like, oh my god, scally scaily, you know.

1044
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 4: Just and in the strangest places you'll find a stitch

1045
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: small or big or big one or something and it's

1046
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 4: just like gaily, so stitch and ladybugs.

1047
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 1: Guys, how do you speak with a straight face? How

1048
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: do you keep being so strong? I'm looking at Steve

1049
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: Gonsalmus and his face is like granite. How do you

1050
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: stay so strong?

1051
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 5: Because it's so important and I love our country, I

1052
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 5: love the state of Idaho.

1053
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 6: I want things to get better.

1054
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 5: I don't want these kind of sick goes to prosper

1055
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 5: and for us to for us.

1056
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 6: To win, we need real leaders.

1057
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 5: We need men and real strong women who can stand

1058
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 5: up to these people. I'm making them, I'm raising them.

1059
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 5: I got some of the strongest girls in the freaking world,

1060
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 5: and he killed one of them.

1061
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 6: Hold them accountable. I feel like we've got a job

1062
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 6: to do.

1063
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 5: And I think if parents get a little more proactive

1064
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 5: and be a little bit more vocal, towards that prosecution.

1065
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 5: They can force the media to help hold them accountable.

1066
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 5: And I really believe that the government works for us.

1067
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 5: I believe that government is servitude. You go in to serve,

1068
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 5: You don't go in there for your own opinion. You

1069
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 5: might not believe in the death penalty, we don't care.

1070
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 5: It's the victims and their families. That's what you should

1071
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 5: be negotiating for. You're their vote, You're proxying their will

1072
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 5: through into the courtroom, and I think the court's lost

1073
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 5: that and we're going to try to bring that back.

1074
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a reason why we took our daughter

1075
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 5: to Texas. She had a full scholarship. We've said, you're

1076
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 5: going to Texas because they honor their victims. They do

1077
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 5: everything in their power. Florida's another not that we're going

1078
00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 5: to have another victim.

1079
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 6: No, no, not happy.

1080
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, and these are

1081
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: not just empty words, but I want you to know,

1082
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: from the beginning, the very beginning, you are the focus

1083
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: of so many prayers for you, for your children, for Kelly,

1084
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: not just for what you have endured, but what you

1085
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: will endure. And I want to thank you so much

1086
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 1: for being with us, thank you.

1087
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 6: Thank you for your audience.

1088
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,