1 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: Tonight, we are gonna talk about two of the most 2 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: famous criminals in history and absolutely the most famous couple 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: in history, Bonnie and Clyde. Tonight, we're gonna take a 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: look at American history from the inside out. We're gonna 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: start with family and then we're gonna move to an expert. 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: Raylean Lender is Bonnie Parker's niece. Ray Lean. How are you, honey. 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: I'm doing great. 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: I am so happy to talk to you. I tell 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: you what, you are beautiful, you are sharp, you are funny, 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: you are vivacious. From what I understand, you're a lot 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: like Bonnie. 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how to reply to that. 13 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: Well, what I mean is Bonnie was beautiful, she was vivacious. 14 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: She loved to dance. 15 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you got me there on the dancing anyway, 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: That's I've always been my favorite activity. But anyway, Bonnie, 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: from what I understand, you know heard and all that 18 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: she is very very outgoing, very vivacious, as she said 19 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: and all. And my dad, uh I didn't talk hardly 20 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: at all. He was so very very quiet, and uh, 21 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: Billy Jean was uh not as vivacious. So what I understand, Bonnie, 22 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: Bonnie got all the all those attributes. 23 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: Well, you learned a lot from her, from her sister, 24 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: and she helped raise you. 25 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: Yes, hung Gene. Billy Jean uh raised me. Uh My 26 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: mother passed away when I was four, and uh then 27 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: I had a had a three year journey with my 28 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: mother's mother and step grandfather, and uh then I came 29 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: to live with uh daddy and Billy Jean and my grandmother, 30 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: Emma Parker when I was seven. Something people don't just 31 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 2: can't phantom is uh Bonnie and Clyde was not discussed, 32 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: you know in the daily conversations and all uh my grandmother, 33 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: you know, they had already lived through that, and uh 34 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: life went on, and uh so I didn't my name. 35 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: My birth name was Bonnie Ray Parker, and I was born, 36 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: uh in October. They passed away in May and I 37 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: was born in October. So you know, the my mother's 38 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: tribute to Bonnie I was, you know, I would think, 39 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: and you know, for years I didn't know anything about 40 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: Bonnie Parker. And kids would tell me that they couldn't 41 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: play with me and such there and I never did 42 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: know why. But you know, later years, you know it 43 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: was not the kids, it was their parents, and that 44 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,559 Speaker 2: was all fresh back then, so took a while to 45 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: gain some understanding, you know as to why little kids 46 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: couldn't play together right. 47 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: Well, to protect you, your family changed your name, didn't they. 48 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: Well, Billy Jean did after my grandmother died. She died 49 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: when I was ten years old, so I only got 50 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: her for three years. And Billy Jean and I she 51 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: took me. H. My dad was a good person, but 52 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: he responsibilities wasn't especially of a kid. You know that 53 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: he barely knew either. Uh, But so she took me in. 54 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: She and I moved to uh, Gladewater, Texas, which as 55 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: it turned up, was my birth home. And my aunt, 56 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: my grandmother's sister, Leela Plumber, Pat Pat Plumber, she lived 57 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: in Gladewater. So Jeene and I moved down there, and 58 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 2: uh then we met this nice young man who worked 59 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: in the off fields named Troy Fraser, and we married. 60 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: We married Troy and moved to Stevens, Arkansas. And between Gladewater, 61 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: Texas and Stevens, Arkansas, I went from Bonnie Ray Parker 62 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: to ray Lean Fraser and uh that was his his 63 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: name was Troy Fraser. So and Jean became Geen Fraser, 64 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: which she kept that name for the rest of her life. Actually, 65 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: and uh so we moved to this little town off 66 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Field Town, Stevens, Arkansas, and that's uh so, Actually we 67 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: we got out of it all, you know, out of 68 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: all of that. It was kind of ironic. I uh 69 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: started to Gladewater Grade School as Bonnie Parker and uh 70 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: and went back to middle school there as Raylene Fraser. 71 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: So uh and I still had I had two or 72 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: three there, you know, little friends there that was pretty 73 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: confused about my my name change there. But uh, I 74 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: asked Jean where in the world did she get the 75 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: name ray Lean and spelled like it is, and she 76 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: told me she saw it written somewhere and little did 77 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: she know, but I have been spelling it and pronouncing 78 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: it for the rest of my life. The r h 79 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: ea immediately throws people, you know, and I've been called 80 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: rhea and h you know, just different things. So uh 81 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: At finally in life I came to I answered, of 82 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call me, I have no problem, 83 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: no problem. 84 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you and I met through Perry Carver 85 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: and we are lucky enough to have Perry with us 86 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: tonight too. Perry, how are you I'm doing fine. 87 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: How are y'all? 88 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled both of y'all are here, I'll tell you. 89 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: And you know, Perry owns the Bonnie and Clyde Ambush Museum, 90 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: And if y'all ever have a chance to get over there, 91 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: if you think you know the story, if you think 92 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: you know what artifacts might be left, this museum is 93 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: one of the best I've ever been to. It's the 94 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: most authentic I've ever seen. And he does a festival 95 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: every year that is absolutely a living history because he 96 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: has Ray Lean and he also has Buddy Bearra Clyde's nephew, 97 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: and so you get a chance to literally meet the family. 98 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: And one of the folks that Perry introduced me to 99 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: back in twenty fifteen was Boots Hinting. So Perry talked 100 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: a little bit about the museum and some of the 101 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: artifacts and some of the. 102 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: People the museum actual. 103 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 4: He's celebrating his twentieth anniversary this year, started by Ken Holmes, 104 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: ging owned the Bonnie and Clyde Movie Bar, which you 105 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: can see now in Pidgeon Forge, Tennessee. It's at Alcatraz East. 106 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: The museum, but you ran the museum for about ten 107 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 4: years and we lost Boots back in twenty fifteen at 108 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 4: the end of the year, and we missing the first 109 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 4: has been happening for thirty one years now. We're lucky 110 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 4: that Beddy and Raylene come every year. I mean, they 111 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: really are the highlight of the festival. They don't want 112 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 4: to admit it, but you know they come to see them. 113 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: Well, I know, the three of y'all came to Atlanta 114 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: and did an event for me and people lost their minds. 115 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I was so surprised that some of the 116 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: people that came as young as they were. And I know, Raylene, 117 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: you've talked about going all the way to Germany in 118 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: different places and you have people come up to you 119 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: from all walks of life that are Bonnie and Clyde 120 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: fans as it were. 121 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: Yes, and the U in Germany, we were just floored. 122 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: You know, we come from from Texas and come to 123 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: find out how well uh you know, known and recognized 124 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: they were and knowledgeable that in modern modern Germany. Uh. 125 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: That was quite a you know, just a fantastic trip 126 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: for us because who would have ever thought, you know, 127 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: of Bonnie and Clyde being that far. But uh, that 128 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: was a great trip and the people were were so 129 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: nice and as I said, not you know, knowledgeable, and 130 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: we were on a TV show, was like, what's my 131 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 2: line in America? And uh, there it was I have 132 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: a famous relative. And the the uh, the judges that 133 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: the people that were there to judge were great. They 134 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: asked quite you know, very interesting questions and and uh 135 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: it wasn't just a silly thing. It was really it 136 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: was really interesting. We were pleasantly surprised that our little 137 00:09:53,640 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: bit of history was uh you know, uh wanted and 138 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: you know and accept it there. 139 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: Well, you know, when y'all came to Atlanta. One funny 140 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: thing that happened. We were at a bar and we 141 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: were just talking and there was not that many people 142 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: left in the bar. It's kind of late, and all 143 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden, this young man walked up to us 144 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: and was like, are y'all talking about Bonnie and Clyde? 145 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: And Buddy looks at him and kind of grans and 146 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: said yeah, and he said you're you're related, And both 147 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: of y'all were like, we're related, and I'm related to 148 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Bonnie and he said I'm related to you know, Clyde. 149 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: That young man had to be about twenty four give 150 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: or take. He took so many pictures with y'all. He 151 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: was just, I mean, his whole world changed. And he said, 152 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, they were real gangsters. They were real gangsters, 153 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: and he wanted to post it all over his social 154 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: media that he had met y'all. It was just it 155 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: was something to see. But ray Lene, you have people 156 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: that get on social media and claim that they are 157 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: related to Bonnie and Clyde, and you know, as the 158 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: last direct descendant, that they are not. 159 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: Well, you know, but you can't really uh tell them 160 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: they're not you know, uh there. That's uh not cool 161 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: for one thing, But on the other, I know a 162 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: lot of times I will just ask, you know, a 163 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: simple question or which which side of the were you on, 164 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: the parker side or the or the barrel side? Which 165 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: side of the families are where you on? And everything, 166 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: and a lot of times you'll get crickets after that. 167 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: You know, you can kind of uh uh there. But 168 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 2: I don't ever tell somebody, oh, you know know, you're 169 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: you're not. My My question has always kind of been 170 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: is why why do you why would you want to 171 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: be ken that? You know, they were outlaws, they did 172 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: bad things and they paid the ultimate price for it, 173 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: So why would you want to be ken to them? 174 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: And some of the answers are you know that if 175 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: you get answers there pretty way out there. 176 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: You know right well, you know, Bonnie was only twenty three, 177 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: and if you would talk a little bit about this 178 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: was a love story first. 179 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: You know, I think I honestly believe that so strongly 180 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: that she would that her love for Clyde and his 181 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: for her for taking care of her after their accident. 182 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: You know, it was probably the strongest love story that 183 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: I honestly think I've ever heard and actually believed that 184 00:12:54,280 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: it was absolutely true. Therefore, more reasons than one. One thing. 185 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: She was young and and uh impressionable, I would say, 186 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: you know, uh for for the times and all and 187 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: uh uh their connection was at my my mother and 188 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: dad's house. Actually their first meeting was at my mother, 189 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: Edith's house and uh and Daddy's house uh there and 190 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: uh but it was evidently you know, bells started ringing 191 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: uh for them and uh Bonnie, I, for the uh 192 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: life of me, I can't really comprehend her her thinking 193 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: of knowing, you know, after getting so you know, far 194 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: into it where she couldn't get out uh, Billy. Jean 195 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: did tell me that at their meetings when they would 196 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: have these meetings out in h Irving you out Sours road, 197 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: and that everybody and and Jean said Clyde, including Clyde, 198 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: tried to get Bonnie to stay home while she still could, 199 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: and her choice was was no, that life without Clyde 200 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: would not be worth living. And uh so, uh so 201 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: it was her choice. You know, she she made her 202 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: own choice and that was her choice was to stay 203 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: by him. But I can honestly say that, uh, being 204 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: willing to die for your man does not run in 205 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: the family there, but I you know, uh, that's in 206 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: her in her short life. I will say she had 207 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: true love and bless her heart for that. 208 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: You know, one thing I wish you would talk about 209 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. When they had these meetings and the 210 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: whole family was going to be able to show up 211 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: and meet with them for a short period of time, 212 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: didn't they send messages by putting them in an empty 213 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: coke model and tossing it to say when and where 214 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: to meet. 215 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: Yes, that's my understanding. He would toss it out and 216 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: in front of his dad's filling station there and they would, 217 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: you know, of course get the message and then they 218 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: would call uh Ema my grandmother and say, I think 219 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: their code was they were having beans and corn bread 220 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: for supper. I think that was one of their code there, 221 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: that they would call my grandmother because my grandmother's phone 222 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: was tapped back at that time, and they knew it. 223 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: Kind of laugh because the things that they came up with. 224 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: Who would have thought of beans and farnbread, you know, 225 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: meaning our kids are coming and we're meeting them at 226 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: so and so and all. UH had to have you know, 227 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: uh some imagination or some fun, fun side of happening 228 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: going on then. But anyway, that was their code words, 229 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: and they would all meet out in uh out in Irving, 230 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: outside of these old roads and all that they felt 231 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: safe at. UH. Their Bonnie was so close to her mother, 232 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: and in fact, UH my dad and Billy Jean and 233 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: and Bonnie UH was was literally raised by my grandmother 234 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: because their dad died when uh Bill uh daddy was six, 235 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: Bonnie was four, and Billy Jeene was two. So my 236 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: grandmother raised them, you know, for the rest of their 237 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: uh child life and all. And they were just extremely 238 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: extremely close to my grandmother and she was the sweetest 239 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: lady uh just uh, you know, my memories of her 240 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: would she was just the sweetest lady you'd ever want 241 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: to meet. So they were extremely close. So Clyde would 242 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: bring Bonnie in. She would get to, you know, missing 243 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: her mother, and Clyde would bring her in sometime and 244 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: drop her off and then come back and get her, 245 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: you know, at a give her a few hours to visit, 246 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: and then come back by their house, by my grandmother's house, 247 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: and get Bonnie and you know, hit the road again. 248 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: Now, Perry, I know at the museum you have all 249 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: the books and all the movies and everything. It has 250 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: been reported that Bonnie and Clyde walked into one bank 251 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: and basically introduced themselves. But when you're here and ray 252 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: Lean talk about they use beans and warm bread. I 253 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: know for a fact in their gang they had nicknames. 254 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: Do you think that they walked into a bank and said, 255 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: we're Bonnie and Clyde. 256 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: No number one. 257 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 4: Bonnie never walked into a bank at all and try 258 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 4: to robble, you know, that's just that's just a parse 259 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 4: the They had her go in one time and he's 260 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 4: a bank look it over. And she was so conspicuous 261 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 4: that a couple of days later when Clyde and Raymond 262 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 4: walked in the bank teller and everybody had guns, so 263 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 4: they just back right back out of the bank. They 264 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 4: never asked her to do anything like that. Again, she 265 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 4: she wasn't a gangster. You know, Hollywood has created this 266 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 4: image of her, which is you know, a lot of 267 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 4: people admire the image, but she's nothing like she's made out. 268 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: The number one. 269 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 4: They were never called Bonnie and Clyde when they were 270 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: on the run. It was always Clyde and the barrows, 271 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 4: Clyde and his game, you know, whide it was always flied. 272 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: You know. 273 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 4: They made up a lot of stories about money after 274 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 4: they killed her. They the real story and Hollywood are 275 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 4: just two different things. 276 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: And ray Leane, that's one thing. When that movie came 277 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: out in nineteen sixty eight, there's some things that are 278 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: not accurate in the movie. I do think they capture 279 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: the love story right, but there's a lot of other 280 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: things they got wrong. Do you want to talk about 281 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: the movie at all? 282 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: I actually I didn't know anything about that. Jeane and 283 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: Blanche and Marie and Buddy, they all went to watch 284 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: it being filmed, and from what I understand, my aunt 285 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: Billy Jean was very unhappy with it and made it 286 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: very well known to everyone. 287 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: There. 288 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: So that that's not the way that they uh talked, 289 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: you know, when they certainly didn't go in and say 290 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 2: where the where the uh uh barrel gang Uh that 291 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: that's you know, it was just all uh you know, 292 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 2: ridiculous uh stuff. But from what I from Buddy and 293 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 2: what I understood, uh, Billy Jean made her her feelings 294 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 2: very well known, uh in language that uh uh was 295 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: you know, pretty pretty strong. So I'm glad that I 296 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: had to work and I didn't and I didn't go. 297 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: I was glad that I did. I wasn't there. 298 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't want to come out in the first place. 299 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: I heard that Blanche met with Warren Baby, but Jeane 300 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. 301 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: Well I know, uh yeah that Blanche did. Jeane her 302 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: her whole attitude was there dead you know, Uh they're dead. 303 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: Let them uh live, you know, let them uh leave 304 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: them alone, you know, let them be they're dead. But uh, Blane, 305 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: and that's what I said about the festival. Uh. Bill 306 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 2: Jean would not have gone to the festival, but Blanche 307 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: would have loved it, you know there and but uh 308 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: you know, all all the years and everything, well, uh 309 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: we we literally hid from it. I actually have an 310 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 2: ex husband that did not know, ever know anything about it. 311 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: Uh there, And uh you know, it just we we 312 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: didn't talk about it. And and uh I have friends 313 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: that only discovered after fifty years, only discovered my connection 314 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: here in just the last few years. Uh there, because 315 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 2: you know, for one thing, how would you how would 316 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: you start a conversation like that walk up to somebody, 317 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: you know, hello, I'm ken to Bonnie Parker? How would that? 318 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: How would that conversation begin? And uh uh they're so 319 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 2: uh you know, we we just didn't live it. And 320 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: Marie and Blanche didn't either to uh you know, uh there. 321 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: But and uh she she was not as private, I 322 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: guess to say, as uh as Jeane you know was, 323 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: and ran with him. 324 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: I mean she knew. 325 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh yeah, and she you know, she and Bonnie 326 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: were about to say she and Jean. I think there's 327 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 2: a year's difference. And Jeane and Blanche's Blanche was like 328 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: a year older than Jean and all, and they were 329 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: dear friends up until they passed away, you know. And 330 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: and Blanche was in our life and and Boots was 331 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: in our life, and of course Marie and uh so 332 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: they were close, you know, and uh in all but 333 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: uh they uh Jeane, Uh like I said, the conversations 334 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: were not all all the time, Bonnie and Clyde. That 335 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: just was not done. But uh, every now and then 336 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 2: you would uh or I'd get them then give them 337 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: Jeane and Blanche a couple of beers and uh and 338 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: then you'd hear some stories. Uh that'd get off onto 339 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: get to laughing about something. And I'm not sure all 340 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: that happened that they got, you know, was laughing about 341 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: by then. But uh anyway, now, ray Lee, one thing 342 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: you know is true is every time y'all moved when 343 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 2: you were younger, about a week or so, the sheriff 344 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 2: or somebody would show up, right and uh. And the 345 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: first time that I ever heard of that though, was 346 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: uh after we'd moved them to Cedar Creek and uh 347 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: Blanche was like a about two or three weeks behind 348 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: uh Jeane being moved there, and uh any and I 349 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: was there and uh uh one of them said, well, 350 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: I got my phone call, and h Blanche said, well, 351 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: I got my phone call, and Jean said, well, uh, 352 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: I got mine. About three weeks ago, and I said, 353 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: what are y'all talking about? And uh and they said, 354 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: and Jeane said that everywhere that we ever moved, that 355 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: within a week, uh the uh, she'd get either a 356 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: call or a come by to let her know that 357 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: they knew where she was, you know, and Blanche uh 358 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: and that's what they were saying, That's what they were 359 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 2: alluding to, was, uh, the phone call letting them know 360 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: that they knew where they were, you know, that they moved. 361 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: And I just got indignant. I just oh, I was 362 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: just beside myself. How on the world these two little old, 363 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: gray haired ladies and the police are still keeping up 364 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: with them after, you know, all these years. 365 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: Oh. 366 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 2: I was just terrible about it. And Jeane told me, 367 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: she said, well, ray lean to ever placed you and 368 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: I ever moved, She said, they let me know, you know, 369 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 2: pretty quick, that they knew that we were there. And 370 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: then I got to laugh and I got to think about, well, 371 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 2: we moved a lot, so they they they were kept busy, 372 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: We kept them busy keeping up with us because we 373 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: did move a lot. 374 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: So I made them earn the money. 375 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: Right exactly. So, So I come off of I come 376 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: off my indignity. 377 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 4: And they were on the FBI watched list till the 378 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 4: day they were died. They were they were Blanche was 379 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 4: always worried that somebody might one day come back and 380 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 4: indict her for the murders and Joplin. 381 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: That was always in the back of her mind, that 382 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 3: she was and she was. 383 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 4: Always worried about one of these family members wanting to 384 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 4: indict her, you know, for murder. And you know, of 385 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 4: course she had nothing to do with any of that. 386 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 4: And I really believe that Monted Money and Blanche both 387 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 4: after the job and shootout for probably in a little 388 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 4: state of shock. 389 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 3: You know, they had never they had never seen. 390 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 4: Anything like that before and when it all happened, and 391 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 4: it happened really fast, really fast. 392 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: There's there's a lot about. 393 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 4: Jobs that a lot of people don't know about, but 394 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 4: the gunfight itself was really fast. 395 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: Well, Perry, she had a reason to be a little 396 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: paranoid about it, I guess. I mean, she had family 397 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: members that went to jail for harboring them. I mean, 398 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: they did come after other people. 399 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 4: Well, you know, the best thing was she didn't come 400 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 4: back into their their their company and stuff too. After 401 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 4: her her husband passed away, and she was an older lady. 402 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 4: You know, she never None of these people ever profited 403 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 4: from any of this. They never, they never, you know, 404 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 4: they never reveled in it. You know, it was something 405 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 4: that they you know, they were very bad about the 406 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 4: sixty seven movie. Emma Clyde's mother, she was furious when 407 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 4: they would show the hinting tape at the movie theaters. 408 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 4: She would show up and raise Kane and rip the 409 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 4: posters down and stuff. 410 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 3: And she now tell. 411 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: People about that. In case they don't know, Perry, tell 412 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: them about the hinting tape. 413 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 4: Well, Ted was Ted carried around a movie camera, you know, 414 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 4: they had given him in case, you know, when it happened, 415 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 4: he could videotape at all. 416 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: Ted Hinton was part of the group that ambushed Bonnie 417 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: and Clyde. So the tape he's talking about is a 418 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: little early their death. 419 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 4: Go ahead, Perry and uh and and during the movie breaks, 420 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: they would show this video for crime that and pay. 421 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 4: They had several ones they would show, but they would 422 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 4: show this one and show them and the car and 423 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 4: stuff in the end, and it hurt the family is 424 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 4: really bad, you know. But a lot of people don't 425 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 4: realize when Bonny was killed. Not just their mother was 426 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 4: still alive, but her grandmother was still alive. And uh, 427 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 4: you know this, this was a very hard thing on 428 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 4: these families after it happened. 429 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 3: Uh, it was. 430 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 4: It was a rough two years while they were on 431 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: the run, but it was even harder on them after 432 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 4: they were killed. You know, people were always wanting a 433 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 4: story or or well, you know, Beside's older brother went 434 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 4: to prison, uh for a murderer that he probably didn't do, 435 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 4: but he went because the name was Barrow. 436 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: People blamed them for bank robberies they didn't do because 437 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: they were in states that they were never even in. 438 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 4: Oh, they got blamed for a lot of stuff they 439 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 4: didn't do, and they probably got away with a few 440 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 4: things they didn't do. 441 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: Now that's valid. 442 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 4: They were not these two praise killers, you know they 443 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 4: if they were, they would have never lasted two years. 444 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 4: You know, John Dillinger didn't run, but not even a 445 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 4: whole year. 446 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: Uh. 447 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 4: And Clyde was on the run for a whole year 448 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 4: before John ever got out of prison. And a lot 449 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 4: of people were helping them out. They felt sorry for him, 450 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 4: They helped them. BLD didn't rob everybody you come across 451 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 4: these they didn't kill everybody come across. And their story 452 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 4: is just it's a very unique story. 453 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: Now, ray Lean, I have to get you to tell 454 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: one story. Will you please tell the green stamp store story. 455 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: You can visualize these two little, uh, two little old 456 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: gray haired women about five foot one apiece and this 457 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: was back during the green stamp phase, and they had 458 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: their green stamps saved up and their books and all, 459 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: and there was a store that they went to that 460 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: they could choose different items in exchange for their green stamps. 461 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: And they were standing and Jeane told me this that 462 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: they were standing in line and said it was a 463 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: long line, and this lady in front of them kept 464 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: getting them to hold my place, and Jean said, changing 465 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: her mind, and she'd turn around to them save my place, 466 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: and then take off to get whatever it was she wanted. 467 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: And Jean said they finally got up to the counter 468 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: and said, this woman plopped her purse up on the 469 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: counter and it was just Jean said, we was just 470 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: a big old person and it just flopped wide open 471 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: when she put it up there, and said, anyway, then 472 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: the woman turns around one more time and says, uh, 473 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: save my place one more time. Uh saved my place again, 474 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: and Jean said that. Uh they said, you know, of course, okay, 475 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: and then uh Jean one, Jeane and Blanche they looked 476 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: at each other and one of them said, boy, if 477 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: she only knew who we were, you know. And I've 478 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: just that's always been hilarious to me because these two 479 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: little old, tiny, gray haired women were notorious, you know, 480 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: back and this woman didn't know that she had, uh 481 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: the these uh Parker and Barrow uh women watching her 482 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: purse of all things, you know. So that's always I 483 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: just just know when Blanche and Jean and their their 484 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: dry wit, uh, you never knew what was going to 485 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: come out of her mouth. And and like that's what 486 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: I was saying. To give them a couple of beers. 487 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: And I'm not sure all that stuff happened that they 488 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: would get to laughing about, but anyway, it made for 489 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: good stories for them. 490 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm sorry, go ahead back, No. 491 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: I was just going to say, just the the picture 492 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 2: in my mind of the two of those little old women, 493 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: you know, being notorious. 494 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: You know, hey, Blade held her own. I mean, Blade 495 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: was pretty notorious. She even got shot. 496 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: Come on out, I'll tell you. But you know, I didn't. 497 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: I didn't know all that, you know, all that stuff. 498 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: It just wasn't discussed. So when when they would get 499 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: to talking about it, sometime I would just listen in 500 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: all you here again, you know in my picture of 501 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: their my my is these two little, old, tiny, gray 502 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: haired women. Uh there. It was hard to visualize them 503 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: out doing some of the shenanigans that that they they did. 504 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: Uh there but uh but they you know, they both 505 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: lived a quiet, productive life after they survived their shenanigans. 506 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 2: Uh so to speak, they they they they didn't do 507 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: that stuff anymore. 508 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: Work right now, Perry, me and you and Buddy and 509 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: ray Lene got to get together last March. Tell everybody 510 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,239 Speaker 1: what you brought so that I could hold it. 511 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 4: Oh, I brought a pistol that was I'd purchased from 512 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 4: the grandson of the man that owned the mirror glass 513 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 4: and mirror company that Clyde work for. The gun was 514 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 4: I don't know where the gun came from, but Bonnie 515 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 4: had it and she gave it to her mother. They 516 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 4: were people when somebody was stealing their chickens or something, 517 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 4: and the gun was given to her mother, And of 518 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 4: course her mother woul't want the gun she gave it 519 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 4: to Gene, and Gene ended up somehow giving it back 520 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 4: to this this man. And I just just stayed with 521 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 4: his family until he called me one day. 522 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 3: He had the He wanted to give me the sign. 523 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 3: He had the original sign. 524 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 4: From where Clyde would work out with his grandfather and 525 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 4: actually when they eventually went on the run, he would 526 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 4: hide Clyde out, you know, clide and BINDI give him 527 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 4: a place to stay for a little while. 528 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 3: And I mean when I say a little while, I 529 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 3: mean a. 530 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 4: Few hours, you know, not for weeks at a time 531 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 4: or nothing. But he said, you know, if when Clyde 532 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 4: got out of prison, if they would have just left 533 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 4: him alone, he would have been okay, he said, but 534 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 4: they would show up at his job and harass him, 535 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 4: harass his grandfather for hiring him. And a lot of 536 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 4: times it wasn't because Clyde committed to crime, but he 537 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 4: knew who did, and you know, and it just was 538 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 4: the real story about him, sad and tragic. But I 539 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 4: did get the gun, and yeah, it's here at the 540 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 4: museum now on display, and Bonnie was starting to carve 541 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 4: her name in it. So she's got like a half 542 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 4: a pee or a half to be I have to 543 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 4: be on it. She didn't get it all done. I 544 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 4: have a pistol that came out of the death car. 545 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 4: I have a shotgun that was recovered from Dexter, Iowa. 546 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 4: I have several other shotguns that were I bought it 547 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 4: auctions or I've got one from I got from my buddy. 548 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 4: Because he still has a few items that are probably 549 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,479 Speaker 4: going to go up for auction one day, I don't 550 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 4: think I could. 551 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 3: Give him the money that he well deserves for this stuff. 552 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 4: I'll be it on him, but I'm sure that somebody 553 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 4: allowed bidding me for these things that he still has. 554 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: And ray Lanland we met in Texas last March. You 555 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: showed up. You looked like lightning in a bottle. I mean, 556 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: you were put together, so fabulous, and you walked in 557 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: and my brother in law looked to be in here 558 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: went there ain't no way. She's the age, you said. 559 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: I said, I'm telling you, she's unbelievable, remarkable, And you said, y'all, 560 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm a little late. Do you remember what 561 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: you said? 562 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 2: Probably the resurrection resurrection takes longer and longer, because that, 563 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: trust me, that is true. There as I told you 564 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 2: the other night. You know, do I need to make 565 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 2: to do makeup for this event today? 566 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 4: Uh? 567 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 2: There, because I don't answer my door without makeup on Uh. 568 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: I've never seen you where you were not stunning. But 569 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, when we were all having lunch, we talked 570 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: about something that you have worked for for ninety years. 571 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: What have you been trying to make happen? 572 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 2: We've been, oh, for several years now, trying to get 573 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: Bonnie back with Clyde. Uh there that this was her 574 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 2: her her wish and his wish and uh and she 575 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 2: made it, you know, very plain to my grandmother and 576 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 2: you know, and uh everyone that and it only stands 577 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: to reason that they should be together. Uh. They they 578 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 2: died together, they lived together, they died together, and they 579 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: should be rested the rest of their you know, being together. 580 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: And uh So it's been quite a frustrating, stressful thing, 581 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 2: but we're still hanging in there. The uh we we 582 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 2: the for where Bonnie is buried. Uh. He does not 583 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 2: want her moved. He he uh he uses her for 584 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 2: advertising uh there, which you know rightfully, so I guess. 585 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: And but he he has fought us, ever, fought me 586 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 2: every step, and he has brought up some of the 587 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 2: most ridiculous, outlandish reasons why she should not be moved. 588 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 2: And the thing is she's already been moved once. Uh 589 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 2: there and from the uh fish trap cemetery where the 590 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 2: my grandmother and them uh at that my great grandmother 591 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 2: and I were buried. That was their family plot. And 592 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 2: uh Bonnie was buried on top of Billy Jean's two babies. Uh. 593 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 2: They died four days apart, two years before Bonnie was killed. 594 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 2: So uh anyway, and so Billy Jean bought these four 595 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 2: places at Crown Hill, and when my grandmother died, Jean 596 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 2: had had my grandmother buried there, and then she had 597 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 2: Bonnie and the babies moved to the Crown Hill place. 598 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 3: Well. 599 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 2: Uh, and then my dad when he passed away, he's 600 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 2: buried at my grandmother's feet and they Anyway, this guy 601 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,919 Speaker 2: that owns the cemetery just does not want to move, 602 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 2: and he's fought us. We've now won twice in court 603 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 2: and we're now then he appealed to the appellate court, 604 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 2: so we're waiting to hear that on that. But even 605 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,919 Speaker 2: the judge asked him, said why are you doing this? 606 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 2: And his statement was kind of well, I don't think 607 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 2: she's got enough reason, good enough reason to move her 608 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 2: was his you know, and nobody, nobody can figure out 609 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 2: what the attorneys. We have some really good attorneys working 610 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: with us dollar and nobody can figure out what is 611 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 2: his deal? 612 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 4: You know. 613 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 2: The attorneys now, uh say there said they're mad at 614 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 2: you for keeping it going. You know, so he's he's 615 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 2: trying to break me so to speak, you know, uh, 616 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 2: by keeping the attorneys, you know, keeping them working, so 617 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 2: to speak. So anyway, we're we're still hoping. And I 618 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 2: believe with everything that I have that that this needs 619 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: to be done. And if Buddy and I don't get 620 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 2: it done, then you know, it won't happen. And uh, 621 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 2: you know, I just feel so strongly it was her desire. 622 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 2: It makes sense and why not, you know? 623 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: Amen? 624 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 2: Right on. They actually had an event yesterday that I 625 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 2: didn't go to at the cemetery at the Western Nights Cemetery. 626 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 2: Again we have attended that before, people that have have 627 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 2: people that are buried. There's kind of an all day 628 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 2: you know, through and some historians are there, you know, 629 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 2: a very interesting event and there and there are redoing 630 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 2: refurbishing the cemetery. The Western Heights cemetery, and so I'm 631 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 2: involved with all of those people anyway. So it's not 632 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 2: a railing only desire, you know, it's something that people 633 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 2: other people feel strong about. 634 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: To Yeah, one of them. I think they deserved to 635 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: be together. 636 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, you know, just common sense there and all. 637 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 2: And I want to have a plaque made of haven't 638 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 2: decided Bonnie and Clyde together again, you know, put it 639 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 2: their graves because uh. And the thing is, this grave 640 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 2: site has been saved for Bonnie. Mister Barrow offered it 641 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 2: to my grandmother. And I can understand my grandmother's feeling 642 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 2: is completely at that time. He had her in life, 643 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 2: he can't have her in death. I can feel that. 644 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 2: But I can assure you my grandmother was not thinking 645 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: ninety years from then. What you know, the the the 646 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 2: interest uh and from the from the gory side plus 647 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 2: the the uh you know, the history side of it 648 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 2: of them. Still the interest that is still in you know, 649 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 2: shown to them and all. And uh so I I 650 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 2: uh if we do have another cemetery, Grove Hill that 651 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 2: that has a lot of the Barrows are buried at 652 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 2: Grove Hill, and he is uh is diligently working with 653 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 2: us through through all of this. Also we have his backing. 654 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 2: Uh uh there for forget you know, forgetting this to happen. 655 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 2: It'll happen, but it's just, uh it seems to be 656 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 2: after the battle, you know. And uh as long as 657 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 2: I uh have the you know, uh, I have the 658 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 2: the total desire to to get her moved and then 659 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 2: and then then I'm done with Bonnie and Clyde. 660 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: Well, I remember years and years ago you and I 661 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: talked about this for the first time, and I'm like, 662 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: what is his issue? What is his problem? And I 663 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: asked you, I said, is he just waiting for you 664 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: to die? Thinking this will just go away? And you said, well, 665 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: I might not be that healthy, but I'm that stubborn. 666 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,280 Speaker 2: And that's that's very true. 667 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: And how we are to that? 668 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 2: Right? I said, I'm not a fighter, but I am 669 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 2: hard headed, you know. So uh, that's right, you know. 670 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 2: And the fact of all the people that I have met, 671 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 2: you know, just including you and Perry and Walt and 672 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 2: Huck and Caroline and you know, and many many other 673 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 2: people that I have had the pleasure of meeting through 674 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 2: all of this, So it's worth the fight, you know, 675 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 2: just to maintain my friendship with everyone. 676 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: Well, we love you and we are here for you, 677 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: and we absolutely believe Bonnie needs to be moved. But 678 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: aside from Bonnie and Clyde, you are a wonderful person, 679 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: a spectacular human being, and we are all lucky to 680 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:38,439 Speaker 1: know you. 681 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 2: And that's the great part of it, you know, that 682 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 2: to me because actually, you know, my kids and I 683 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 2: and my granddaughter and then my three great grandkids. You know, 684 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 2: that's that's my family, you know. Now until I got 685 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 2: in and met you know, had the pleasure of meeting 686 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 2: all of y'all and so many other people too that 687 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,839 Speaker 2: uh uh you know that, Uh it's very important. And 688 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 2: uh my daughter, Lacey, my son, whatever Lacey and I 689 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 2: tell him to do, that's what he does, you know, 690 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 2: bless his heart. But Lacey's in it, you know with me, 691 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 2: and uh there and just uh uh you know, just 692 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 2: really thankful for you know, for for her and her 693 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 2: her knowledge and her willingness to you know, to see 694 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 2: see through all of this, see is through all of 695 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 2: this and. 696 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 3: All she did a wonderful job on that book, absolutely. 697 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 2: Didn't she though, uh you know. And the thing was, 698 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 2: I teased Buddy over and over about he gave her 699 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 2: a two hundred and ninety four page sentence, you know, 700 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 2: and trust me, that's that's actually true. And bless her heart, 701 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 2: it was uh you know, and she had not done 702 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 2: that sort of formatting and her imagination, you know, and 703 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 2: and setting it up like she did. It wasn't just 704 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 2: a page by page all all story. 705 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,399 Speaker 3: When you read it, it's like Buddy's talking to you. 706 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 4: I mean she I don't know how she did it, 707 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 4: but she did it where when you read it, it's 708 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 4: just like Buddy's telling you the story himself. 709 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 3: And she just did an awesome job at it. 710 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 2: She did amazing so much you know, work and and 711 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 2: and buddies knowledge and memories and you know, there was 712 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,280 Speaker 2: a lot of work, a lot of work put into 713 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 2: into it. 714 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 3: We're going to have several other authors here this year. 715 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 4: Of course, we're going to be selling your book, and 716 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 4: havn't y'all sign your book, but we've got a new 717 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 4: book on Henderson Jorden coming out at the author will 718 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 4: be your signing this book. 719 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 2: We have Brad that's Brad Dyson. I believe it. I've 720 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:15,919 Speaker 2: talked to him. Yeah, I've talked to Brad before very much. Yeah, yeah, 721 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 2: very much, so uh there, so yeah, we're looking forward 722 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 2: to it. Uh there, Linda, Lenda and I you know, 723 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 2: will be there, my uh my, my my niece, my 724 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 2: great travel buddy, uh uh there. So yeah, we've already 725 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 2: got reservations and we'll we'll uh we'll be there. 726 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 1: Well, y'all, I cannot tell you how much I have 727 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: enjoyed this conversation and we are just going to have 728 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: to do it again because there's a whole lot we 729 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: ain't got to. And if you have a chance this 730 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: summer while you're traveling to get by the Bonny and 731 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: Clyde Ambush Museum, I am telling you if you think 732 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, oh, you need to swing by there, because 733 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: there's so much you don't know. 734 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 4: I promise you you got a great little restaurant and 735 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 4: a great little cook. 736 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 2: And I was going to bring up the h the 737 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 2: restaurant and Stacey there well well worthy the jump off 738 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,720 Speaker 2: of I twenty. 739 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 4: If you're not watching your waistline and you don't care 740 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 4: about it, come on in here and then. 741 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: Go get you some fried baloney. Harry Carver, thank you 742 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 1: so much. I just adore you and I appreciate it. 743 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: And Rayleigh Linder I mean, I just cannot tell you 744 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: how much I love and adore you, and I appreciate 745 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: you and thank you so much for sharing literally American 746 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: history with us. 747 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's my pleasure. I feel very inadequate with 748 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 2: the knowledge that like Perry has and Buddy has and all, 749 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 2: but I still toss my two cents in there. So 750 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 2: it's it's my pleasure. That's my phone, that's my fun 751 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 2: My ring tone is honky tonk. Can't you say this 752 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 2: little old ninety year old woman walking through Walmart with 753 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 2: her phone playing honky Tonk? 754 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: I can absolutely well. 755 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,360 Speaker 2: I have a few dance steps that I can toss 756 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 2: in there. 757 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,280 Speaker 1: Too, Yes, ma'am, no doubt. 758 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 2: But it's my pleasure. And you know, I just I 759 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 2: appreciate being accepted, you know, by by everyone, and it's it's, uh, 760 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 2: it's really been interesting anyway. I appreciate ben, you know, 761 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,920 Speaker 2: accepted and and all. It's my pleasure and Lacey's pleasure. 762 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 2: She's grabbing the phones here trying to cut them off, 763 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 2: you know, Eryl. 764 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 3: And greatly. And I'll see you in a couple of weeks. 765 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 2: Er. That's right. 766 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I 767 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: always do with a quote. Someday they'll go down together, 768 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: and they'll bury them side by side. To a few 769 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,879 Speaker 1: will be grief, to the law of relief. But it's 770 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,240 Speaker 1: death for Bonnie and Clyde, A poem by Bonnie Parker. 771 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.