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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and a love of all things tech. And this is

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Speaker 1: the tech news for Thursday, May two thousand twenty one.

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Speaker 1: If I sound a little different, because I'm actually in

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Speaker 1: the studio today though I'm using my old equipment that

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Speaker 1: recording environment. Just in case it sounds a little odd,

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Speaker 1: let's get into the news. Just as in Tuesday's episode,

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Speaker 1: we will start today with some stories about global politics

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Speaker 1: and global tech companies. And as I mentioned earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: big tech companies are really feeling pressure points from lots

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Speaker 1: of different sources due to global politics and policies. Now,

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Speaker 1: sometimes that pressure comes from, you know, a government or

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Speaker 1: This particular story is about the latter. Numerous groups have

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Speaker 1: urged Google to pull out from a cloud computing project

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Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. The concern is that Google's efforts would

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Speaker 1: help enable a regime that has committed human rights violations. So,

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Speaker 1: in other words, Google might make it easier for the

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Speaker 1: Saudi government to hurt people. Those groups include Human Rights

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Speaker 1: Watch and Amnesty International, and back in ten you might

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Speaker 1: remember the terrible story of the Saudi journalist Jamal ka Shoji,

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Speaker 1: who was murdered at the Saudi consulate in Instantabul, Turkey.

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Speaker 1: Uh The CIA concluded that the Crown Prince Mohammed Ben

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Speaker 1: Solomon ordered that assassination. That particular event drew a great

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Speaker 1: and while by no means it was the only horrific

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Speaker 1: act attributable to the Saudi government, it is one that

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Speaker 1: stood out and the rights organizations argue that Google's cloud

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Speaker 1: product could allow the government to spy on its own

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Speaker 1: people as well as people visiting Saudi Arabia, It could

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Speaker 1: allow the government to limit freedom of expression, and it

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Speaker 1: could have a negative impact on due process. Humans Rights

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Speaker 1: Watch published a response from Google that said the company

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Speaker 1: had submitted its cloud project to an independent human rights

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Speaker 1: organization in order to identify possible points where that tool

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Speaker 1: the quote alright, I'm gonna chime in here now. Usually

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Speaker 1: It's all on how we use them. So a hammer

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Speaker 1: points where they need to adjust their approach to try

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Speaker 1: usually it's a way that other folks just didn't anticipate

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Speaker 1: because they're looking at it from a preventive standpoint as

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Speaker 1: opposed to figuring out how you would use this to

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Speaker 1: sure there is a way for Google to see this

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Speaker 1: project through while also maintaining, you know, a spotless image

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Speaker 1: with regard to any abuses the saudiast might commit. It

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Speaker 1: appears like that project is still for a go. It's

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Speaker 1: in anticipation of increased demands in electricity usage. Iran has

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Speaker 1: they've had blackouts that have hit entire regions when energy

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Speaker 1: a nine point eight. It is a critical vulnerability. Anyone

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