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NIMEX screwed oil up 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: one point four percent, or fifty six cents to forty 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 1: dollar seventy six cents of barrel comex goal down nine 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: tenths per cent or eleven dollars seven sense to twelvefounts 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: the euro a dollar twelve seventy nine the end one 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: eleven point five three. That's a Bloomberg business flash. Tom 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: and Mike Caarra Moscow, thank you very much. What we've 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: been talking about all day long, the state of inflation 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: in the United States, the fact that we're seeing some 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: stirring of inflation in the core rate at least of 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: CPI will wit and see what the PC shows US. 27 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: One area it is also showing up is in inflation 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: expectations on Wall Street Break events have really soared in 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, which in theory should make 30 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: Martin Haggard's job easier. He's managing director co ahead of 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: Black Rocks inflation linked bond portfolio Martinet. It seems like 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: maybe people are beginning to pay attention to your sector 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: once again, you know, and we think it's about time. UM. 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: You mentioned that inflation expectations have soared recently, and what 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: is really interesting is to look at how they have 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: actually moved. Where you've had spot inflation expectations move up. 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: UM as a result of a stabilization slash move higher 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: in commodity prices. But what has not really moved significantly 39 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: is the inflation forwards, which is something that the FED 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: continually refers to, and I do think that that was 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: some of the impetus behind their perceived debbishness at this 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: week's meeting that given that spot inflation expectations have moved, 43 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: but many or at least market participants are not extrapolating 44 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: this to be a permanent move higher in inflation in 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: the future. What's the likelihood that inflation picks up to 46 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: the point where people start to care? Well, I think 47 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: we're we're actually there. Um, you know, core inflation printing 48 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: at two point three p r on ear and headline 49 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: inflation going to move up to that fairly rapidly given 50 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: the stabilization or move higher in commodity prices that are 51 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: alluded to earlier. So it is there, and I don't 52 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: think we're going to necessarily deviate too much from the 53 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: current trajector. We may have a little bit of a 54 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: slowdown as we approached the middle of the year, but 55 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: you're in expectations, you know. I spoke to you guys 56 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: a month ago post lost lost CPI print where we 57 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: expected corep I too end the year a little north 58 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: of two. And and if anything, the recent run rate 59 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: and the subsequent depreciation the dollars that we have seen 60 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: pushes our urine forecast a tad higher than we were previously. 61 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: I must admit when I look at course cp I, 62 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: and I compare it to the one I love Martin Haggerty, 63 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: which is Cleveland CPI, which is a national statistic. It's 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: jaw dropping at two point three in the acceleration there. 65 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: What is the makeup of our two point three core inflation? 66 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Well that that's a good question, Tom. And you know 67 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: when we spoke last time, I mentioned how we like 68 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: to split up the CPI indices into high volatility and 69 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: low volatility components. And the low val components are the 70 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: ones that tend to uh in the direction at which 71 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: they move is a direction which overall CPI moves, and 72 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: those are the big service based components of the index, 73 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: such as shelter healthcare um, pushing inflation higher. That our 74 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: low val component is running at almost three on a 75 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: euar of a year basis so well above or at 76 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: least a great contributor to that two point three rate um. 77 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: The high val components, which tend to be obviously more 78 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: volatile in nature as the title would suggest, have also 79 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: moved up, now approaching half a percent year on your in. 80 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: The big contributor to that over the last couple of 81 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: months has been the apparel component, which obviously as a 82 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: testament to greater disposal income that consumers have given how 83 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: low headline inflation has been as a result of gas prices, 84 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: and potentially the headwinds to that sector from a stronger 85 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: dollar that we endue it from two thousand and fourteen 86 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: into two thousand and fifteen and even the beginning of 87 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen are beginning to recede in the data. 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: And I was actually looking at the movement in the 89 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: trade weight to dollar and March two thousand and fifteen 90 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: to March two thousand and sixteen, the trade weight to 91 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 1: dollars basically now unchanged given the depreciation over the last 92 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: over the last month, and more more rapidly over the 93 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: last couple of days. And so the headwinds to inflation 94 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: from the stronger dollar are definitely going to recede into 95 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: the revue mirror as we as we progressed through the year. 96 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: How much of an inflation premium is being built in 97 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: right now? You know, in the inflation market, we don't 98 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: think much. I was just five year five year inflations 99 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: operates trade very close to two percent. The FEDS favored 100 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: five year five year measure trades that one and a half. Now, 101 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: if we are indeed supposed to take the FED word 102 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: at there in flation target of PC inflation of two percent, 103 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: that should really translate into a CPI equivalent of about 104 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: two point three or two point four given the basis 105 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: between those two indictries, and right now at one fifty 106 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: as the tips market is pricing in on this forward metric, 107 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: we're pricing in a negative risk premium of about ninety 108 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: basis points. Now, there is ample room for for the 109 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: forward inflation measure to move up, But it's reasonably interesting 110 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: to to look at where nominal bond yields are currently 111 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: trading relative to the run rate of inflation. So we 112 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: had core inflation print at two point three percent, yet 113 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: tenure nominal bonds are trading basis points below that um, 114 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: which is I think the the signals being sent from 115 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: from the nominal bond market are actually somewhat contrajectory relative 116 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: to the run rate of inflation that we're currently experiencing 117 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: is with us from black Rock. Yeah, it just I folks, 118 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: I can tell you that maybe this week, Mike, there 119 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: wasn't momentous news, but it was one of the most 120 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: interesting weeks here to get to market economics, academic economics, 121 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: and international relations. Just somedimes, just fascinating. Yeah, it's uh, 122 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: as you say, not huge headline because it was more 123 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: about what didn't happen, but in the fact that it 124 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: has made a lot of changes. 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