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Speaker 1: Ryan Davish covers the Mariners for the Seattle Times, one

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Speaker 1: of our favorite guests on FT Ryan, Good to see you, man,

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Speaker 1: and of course we wish that these were times that

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Speaker 1: were a little easier to talk about in Seattle World.

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Speaker 1: To give him a ton of credit during the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline for getting some things done. Yet here we are.

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Speaker 1: They're okay, They're in a playoff spot. But I'm going

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Speaker 1: to start with the classic Are they okay?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've talked about this before. I mean, this isn't new.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they're okay. I think they're in

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Speaker 2: a familiar spot. I just actually wrote a story all

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Speaker 2: about this about since twenty twenty one, they've had these

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Speaker 2: little swoons at the end of every season, right around

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Speaker 2: early September or late August. And you know, in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two they were able to play through it. They

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Speaker 2: had enough of a lead that they could withstand it.

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Speaker 2: The other two years they were short, And I think

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Speaker 2: that's the biggest thing. I don't know if they're okay

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Speaker 2: in a sense that like cal Rawley lived this the

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Speaker 2: last few years, JP Crawford, you know, getting down to

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Speaker 2: the very last week of the season and getting eliminated

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Speaker 2: and knowing that you had a rough stretch that really

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Speaker 2: kind of torpedoed your chances is something that kind of looms,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's a motivating factor. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, I mean, like, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it makes them tight or you know, as adds

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Speaker 2: any additional stress to the situation. But they are not

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Speaker 2: playing well right now, particularly on the road, and you know,

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Speaker 2: they have this series against the Braves coming up, and

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Speaker 2: they have a kind of an important road trip in

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Speaker 2: a few weeks with three at the Royals and three

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Speaker 2: at the Astros.

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Speaker 3: This travel has to be it this travel, like the

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Speaker 3: travel that they're on. They just keep getting crushed with

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Speaker 3: this and the Major League Baseball said, you know what,

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Speaker 3: We're going to double you up on two East Coast trips.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever talk or hear talk from the players,

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Speaker 3: honest chatter about being tired on these trips because they

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Speaker 3: have the most By the end of the year, they've

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Speaker 3: easily logged thousands more miles than any other team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like the other night they we played

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Speaker 2: in Tampa, seven thirty five start time, and it's a

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Speaker 2: getaway day. You know, you're flying Atlanta it's a short flight,

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Speaker 2: but seven thirty five start time, game gets over at

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Speaker 2: like eleven thirty. That's that's late. And you know, the

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Speaker 2: big thing is is these guys don't want to get

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Speaker 2: twelve hours of sleep, and which I would I would

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Speaker 2: kill to have half of that. But yeah, these these

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Speaker 2: East Coast trips are tough, and what the Marriors want

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Speaker 2: to do, they don't want to keep going back and

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Speaker 2: forth to the East Coast. They would prefer to to,

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Speaker 2: you know, try and bunch up the East Coast trips.

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Speaker 2: But you know, two and two and like the last

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Speaker 2: two series they were in, they were in Baltimore, New York,

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Speaker 2: plus the Williams Part game, plus Philly. Then they came

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Speaker 2: back from only six at home and then we're back

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Speaker 2: out you know what was it? Cleveland, Tampa and Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: And they have these a long trips and it does

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Speaker 2: your three hour time difference, it does mess with them.

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Speaker 2: I think the sleep factor is a problem. You know,

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Speaker 2: they talk about it a little bit. The humidity because

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Speaker 2: you guys have been to Seattle in July and August.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful there. There is no humidity and it never

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Speaker 2: gets above eighty five. You come out here and it's

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Speaker 2: a little different, so they've talked about it. I do

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Speaker 2: think that that they have not done themselves any favors

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Speaker 2: by playing these guys as much as they have. I wrote,

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Speaker 2: I checked the other day. They have five guys that

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Speaker 2: have played more than one hundred and thirty five games

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Speaker 2: this year, and that's the most of any team in baseball,

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Speaker 2: and that's significant. You're talking about au Haano Suarez who

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Speaker 2: played a lot with the Diamondbacks, but JP Crawford, Cayl Rawley,

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Speaker 2: and then Randy Rose Rain and Julio Rodriguez. All those

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Speaker 2: guys other than Julio are you know, thirty or above.

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Speaker 2: So it does wear on you. And I think we've

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Speaker 2: seen some fatigue in the last couple of weeks, just

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Speaker 3: All right. So obviously the the roster construction didn't give

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Speaker 3: them the flexibility. But let's be honest, the team like this,

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Speaker 3: who's right on the edge and doesn't have a lot

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Speaker 3: of money to spend, they have to play all their

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Speaker 3: best players. They have to play those guys have to

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Speaker 3: play every single day, and I think they're young enough.

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Speaker 3: So unfortunately, this is where they're at going into September.

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Speaker 3: But the biggest question for me is the starting pitching.

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Speaker 3: How did this starting pitching just all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: not show up. This was the superpower that we've been

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Speaker 3: crying for the last few years. You know what, They're healthy,

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Speaker 3: all their elite, they got it and now they have

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Speaker 3: pretty much Brian wu right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're seeing some cumulation factors. Accumulation factors

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Speaker 2: like you know, Logan Gilbert, Bryce Miller, George Kirby, Bryan

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Speaker 2: will all went you know, season high in innings. I

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Speaker 2: mean Logan's progressive up to you know, he was over

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Speaker 2: two hundred innings last year, one of the few pitchers

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Speaker 2: that did that. And Logan, George, Bryce all spent significant

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Speaker 2: I think we're just seeing kind of wear down. He

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Speaker 2: was outstanding in the first half, but second half he

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Speaker 2: started to kind of decline. He hasn't been able. There

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Speaker 2: was a stretch where he just couldn't get that extra

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Speaker 2: day of rest that they love to give pictures, and

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Speaker 2: I think that was a problem. So yeah, and what's

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Speaker 2: really striking is their era on the road versus at home.

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Speaker 2: I think at home, their top six or seven on

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Speaker 2: the road, they're one of the five worst in all

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Speaker 2: the baseball And Bryce Miller talked about it the other day,

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Speaker 2: is that sometimes when they get away from T Mobile Park,

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Speaker 2: where the ball doesn't carry as well and you don't

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Speaker 2: get punished for a mistake, they get a little too fine.

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Speaker 2: They get a little bit too on the edges. They're

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Speaker 2: trying to make the perfect pitch instead of having the

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Speaker 2: same mentality that they have at home, which was, no,

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Speaker 2: here it is we have good stuff. Here it is,

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Speaker 2: we'll throw it in the zone early, get early, get

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Speaker 2: ahead early, and you know, take their chances. And they

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Speaker 2: just haven't done that on the road, especially on this trip.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very one of those things about the Mariners.

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Speaker 4: They always talk about their pitching, how good it is,

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Speaker 4: and then the hitting needs to come up. I want

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Speaker 4: to talk about one guy in particular. You henniy O

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Speaker 4: Suarez came over. Everybody's excited, you know, it seems seemed

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Speaker 4: to me, Yeah, he's got six home runs, but he

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Speaker 4: hasn't found his niche a little bit. Have you What

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Speaker 2: Well, you know as well as I do that Geno

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, just the adjustment. It just seems

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Speaker 2: picking up earlier on this road trip when we were

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Speaker 2: you know, and I think they're just pitching him a

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Speaker 2: little differently too. I've noticed that they, you know, he

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Speaker 2: can hammer a breaking ball, and I think they've really

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Speaker 2: been trying to attack him differently with a lot of

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Speaker 2: if they're throwing a breaking pitch to him, it's well

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Speaker 2: out of the zone, hoping they can get some chase.

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Speaker 2: I think we'll see him pick it up here a

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Speaker 2: little bit. He's just kind of one of those guys,

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Speaker 2: you know where There'll be seven days where it's unbelievable

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Speaker 2: and seven days where it looks like he may never

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Speaker 2: get another hit. But we've seen some signs, you know,

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Speaker 2: the contact rate has been better and some things on

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Speaker 3: What's it gonna take for cal Rally to win the MVP?

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Speaker 3: I get it, He's put together quite a year. This swoon,

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Speaker 3: the slide he's had in the second half is realistic.

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Speaker 3: If he plays one hundred and fifty five games this year,

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Speaker 3: that is crazy. I don't care if he caught and

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Speaker 3: DH that is crazy. But he's gonna need all those

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Speaker 3: games for the team to make the playoffs. So what

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Speaker 2: I think he's got to pick up the production level

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Speaker 2: and the Mariners have to get in the postseason. I

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Speaker 2: know some voters don't really subscribe to team's success as

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Speaker 2: actor and all of that, But if the Mariners somehow

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Speaker 2: don't make the playoffs and he has this monster season

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Speaker 2: but has kind of this slide in the last month,

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Speaker 2: that will hurt him in the boating. To me, you

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Speaker 2: look at what he does on a daily basis. He

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Speaker 2: caught six straight games on the coming out of this

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Speaker 2: going into this road trip. I mean we were in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: He caught every game there, including the day game after

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Speaker 2: a night game. My guess is he's gonna catch ninety

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Speaker 2: just because he's that good and he can kind of

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Speaker 2: hitting homers. Let's also start getting you know, just some

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Speaker 2: base hits, not just the power, I think he can

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Speaker 2: win it. To me, what he does on a daily

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Speaker 2: basis is just absurd. I can't fathom how much he

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Speaker 2: how much he's hurting. We watch every game where he's

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Speaker 2: just getting beaten to death and he won't complain, and

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Speaker 2: he won't take himself out of the lineup, and he

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Speaker 2: doesn't want an off day. And it's starting to really,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think we're seeing some of that, you know,

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Speaker 2: You're missing some pitches that maybe normally you would hit

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Speaker 2: or foul him off when you would normally drive them

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Speaker 2: for Homer, but I would think this, you know, the

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Speaker 2: last three weeks here will kind of pick him up,

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Speaker 2: you know, with the adrenaline rush of the postseason looming.

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Speaker 2: I think it'll be fine. But he's just got to

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Speaker 2: kind of pick it up and the Maris have to

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Speaker 2: get in the postseason. And I think he has a

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Speaker 2: really strong case just because of the positional demands. I

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Speaker 2: wrote a whole story on him last year. I followed

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Speaker 2: him from a morning in spring training at four thirty

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Speaker 2: a game where he on a day where he didn't

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Speaker 2: am and left at six thirty pm. That's absurd. That's

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Speaker 2: how much time he put in. He caught multiple pullpens,

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Speaker 2: took hacks on the minor league field, did extra work,

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Speaker 2: met with some pitchers, talk with a bunch of people.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy. He still does that almost every day.

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Speaker 2: He's not getting to the field at four thirty am

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Speaker 2: for games, but he's one of the first people there

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Speaker 2: every day. And I mean it's it's been just to

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Speaker 3: You might have some recency bias here because you just

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Rays looked ridiculous. Or Junior Camanaro like

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Speaker 1: Ryan will armchair quarterback because it's fun. And the Mariners

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Speaker 2: They haven't been able to necessarily do that this year.

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Speaker 4: So after all this talk and we talk about the hitters,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're gonna do it. I think it

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Speaker 1: All right, We're keeping an eye on this one. I

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Speaker 1: more playoff baseball. I'm sure that would be fun to cover. Ryan,

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Speaker 1: good stuff, man, Thanks for joining us. Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: And actually at the end here welcome back. I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I took a little break to coach American Legion

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Speaker 2: It was pretty crazy. I you know, I had a

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Speaker 4: So there was you won't you won't give me a

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Speaker 4: shout out, give me his name, give me a shout out.

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Speaker 2: It's what's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Give there's nothing more. Give him, there's no more. He's

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Speaker 4: Kid. You don't have to say his name.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing.

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Speaker 4: If it was John, We're good.

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Speaker 2: You guys have all been to Montana. I know you

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Speaker 2: guys have spelling. Oh yeah, Montana.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good, stuff nice well, Ryan, good to see you back.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the time, dude, Thanks guys,